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ArpeggiateTHIS
06-23-2010, 20:22
I like the points you make.
Unvote; Vote: Pinman
wideyedwanderer
06-23-2010, 23:41
Vote: Pinman
Beefy187
06-23-2010, 23:44
Beats my idea of voting for inactive
Vote: Pinman
Double A
06-23-2010, 23:49
Vote: Pinman is acting very suspicious...
I'll get straight to the point.
I am a Cornerian, but I also have a special ability. I have the ability to conduct a ship to ship scan. On Night 2, I scanned Beskar, and found him to be the illustrious and cunning Star Wolf himself.
I have the roles of several other people as well, I think its time to prove myself to a few people.
I was intending to monitor the situation for voting patterns, but the bandwagon on me has reached critical mass, leaving me no choice but to reveal what I know. Its fairly ironic that Beskar voted for me first.
As for the accusations against me, theres really very little I can say. With Beskar's lynch, and a presumed investigation of me tonight, you will know - if you wish to. Please understand that what you identify as mafia behaviour, is the way for anybody to survive.
Vote: Beskar
EDIT: When I say Star Wolf, I mean of course, Wolf O Donnell.
Apparently I've also been scanned and Pinman told me exactly what role I had. (Though it was possible to guess, I'll give him the stay of execution he asks.)
Beskar, you've got some explaining to do my friend.
Unvote, Vote: Beskar
GAH!
What is it with people killing me before the first few rounds have even passed by?
I mean, I know somebody has to get killed during those phases, and I don't mind it usually.
But when it happens in literally 6 of the last 7 games I have played in, that's pretty annoying. The only one where I survived for any reasonable amount of time was Star Wars...
Inishmore, Shadow Fort, Daggers, Beefdom, Bridge Zhou Far... and now Star Fox.
I'll get straight to the point.
I am a Cornerian, but I also have a special ability. I have the ability to conduct a ship to ship scan. On Night 2, I scanned Beskar, and found him to be the illustrious and cunning Star Wolf himself.
I have the roles of several other people as well, I think its time to prove myself to a few people.
I was intending to monitor the situation for voting patterns, but the bandwagon on me has reached critical mass, leaving me no choice but to reveal what I know. Its fairly ironic that Beskar voted for me first.
As for the accusations against me, theres really very little I can say. With Beskar's lynch, and a presumed investigation of me tonight, you will know - if you wish to. Please understand that what you identify as mafia behaviour, is the way for anybody to survive.
Interesting lie, it is quite ironic I revealed you as mafia first, and you now try to spin it on me with lies.
You are trying to purposefully reverse the situation because you been caught out and now you had to resort to lying to escape, quite pathetic.
Prepare to go to the afterlife.
Until I am more convinced either way, I will simply Unvote
I suggest people don't jump the gun, but Pinman should be removed from the lead for now.
Flax - clear your messages.
:smug2:
On one side we have Beskar accusing Pinman based on a somewhat suspicious post, but on the other side we have Pinman 1) claiming scanner 2) Revealing Beskar as Star Wolf 3) Confirming TheFlax's role to him.
One accusation is much stronger than the other. If we lynch Beskar and he wasn't Star Wolf, then we can lynch Pinman. On the other hand, if we lynch Pinman, we could lose a powerful role, and Beskar will be a tough lynch because he can argue his way out of it. After all his accusation was somewhat speculative.
The ghost of Falco says: Lynch Beskar!
The way to resolve this situation is simple.
Beskar, if you are not Wolf, you now have to provide your real role to us.
We choose which one of them to believe. We lynch the other. If the one we lynch is not mafia as we suspect, we lynch the other one next round.
It's really, really simple. One of these players is a mafioso, because one of them is lying.
:smug2:
On one side we have Beskar accusing Pinman based on a somewhat suspicious post, but on the other side we have Pinman 1) claiming scanner 2) Revealing Beskar as Star Wolf 3) Confirming TheFlax's role to him.
One accusation is much stronger than the other. If we lynch Beskar and he wasn't Star Wolf, then we can lynch Pinman. On the other hand, if we lynch Pinman, we could lose a powerful role, and Beskar will be a tough lynch because he can argue his way out of it. After all his accusation was somewhat speculative.
The ghost of Falco says: Lynch Beskar!
It is a false claim from Pinman, I could tell you who theFlax is based on his posts alone. I could come and claim investigator myself, and tell TheFlax privately what his role is, and be seen as the shining knight. Want me to privately say it to TheFlax then he comes in here going "Beskar is right!" ? I mean, the odds are pretty 50/50% he is either is a Cornerian or a Vemon.
He is trying to back out of it, because not only me, but others have picked up on his scumtells. It is always the typical lame mafia move to "claim investigator" (See Psychonaut in Shadowfort, Sigurd in Netherworld, other many examples).
Also, there wouldn't be anyone to investigate Pinman anyway, even then, they couldn't even reveal it, could they? "Oh, I investigated Pinman, he is one of the mafia!", Pinman gets killed, the Big Bad kills that revealed investigator. It is a fishing technique, I wouldn't recommend some one to fall for such an obvious trap.
Let's do it this way. We lynch Pinman, if he turns out to be some sort of special-role, then you can direct your attention on me. Also, there is also the fact StarWolf is infact a neutral along with the vemonians, who are working against the Big Bad... yeah, his claim is very weak attempt.
Source (Pizza's starting story):
Star Wolf managed to escape, and Wolf O'Donnell vowed revenge against whoever had attacked him, and denied O'Donnell his final victory over Star Fox.
As it seems to be a Rubicon set-up, Star Wolf would be the "Vemonian pro-town", so half the town wouldn't want to kill one of their own power-roles. On the otherhand, all the town want to take out the Big Bad and mafia, which Pinman most likely is.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-24-2010, 01:24
It is a false claim from Pinman, I could tell you who theFlax is based on his posts alone. I could come and claim investigator myself, and tell TheFlax privately what his role is, and be seen as the shining knight. Want me to privately say it to TheFlax then he comes in here going "Beskar is right!" ? I mean, the odds are pretty 50/50% he is either is a Cornerian or a Vemon.
He is trying to back out of it, because not only me, but others have picked up on his scumtells. It is always the typical lame mafia move to "claim investigator" (See Psychonaut in Shadowfort, Sigurd in Netherworld, other many examples).
Also, there wouldn't be anyone to investigate Pinman anyway, even then, they couldn't even reveal it, could they? "Oh, I investigated Pinman, he is one of the mafia!", Pinman gets killed, the Big Bad kills that revealed investigator. It is a fishing technique, I wouldn't recommend some one to fall for such an obvious trap.
Let's do it this way. We lynch Pinman, if he turns out to be some sort of special-role, then you can direct your attention on me. Also, there is also the fact StarWolf is infact a neutral along with the vemonians, who are working against the Big Bad... yeah, his claim is very weak attempt.
That actually makes sense to me. If Pinman is a actual special role we can Lynch Beskar tommorow easily enough.....
But the same could be said the other way around. Ugh.
Vote: abstain. I will wait and see which side convinces me.
Beefy187
06-24-2010, 01:34
I like Romanics reasoning.
Its mafia games basic tactic to lynch the guy who Cop condemned then we lynch the Cop if he was wrong.
We have Flaxy backing up the cop claim.
Worrying point is the fact that Pinman is nothing more then a average Cornerian fighter and not some major character.
But knowing pizza and his kindness to give a fair chance to everyone who plays the game, it might be possible.
Anyway I say we lynch Beskar, then if its a bad lynch... Pinman
Unvote, Vote: Beskar
landlubber
06-24-2010, 01:43
Unvote, Vote: Beskar.
If Pinman can tell at least one person what role they have, then he's got to be at least legit as a scanner. So, I think Beskar's our best option.
Double A
06-24-2010, 01:51
Why would Joe Schmoe have an ability? It seems like only named roles would have them.
Why would Joe Schmoe have an ability? It seems like only named roles would have them.
Because he is evidently lying.
Also, landlubber is also incorrect, as you can ask theFlax, I just pretty much told him what his role is, without having to do a scan. It is not legitimate in anything. :shrug: (obviously, he has to publically post that it is true or not)
He is just trying to save himself desperately by attacking OMGUS against the main accuser against him.
Beefy187
06-24-2010, 01:58
Ok I'm in doubt.
Unvote, Vote: abstain
for now.
God Emperor
06-24-2010, 02:05
Vote beskar
we have nothing to gain by lynching Pinman before having his story tested. If Beskar actually is star wolf, then it would fall natural for Pinman to be murdered, but we would still have acces to his ability for another night.
That Beskar does not reach this conclusion himself, but instead is trying to convince us that lynching Pinman is the best way to deal with the situation, suggests that he is a bad (or neutral) role
Beskar, the fact that you want me lynched so badly, and at this very moment, is disconcerting.
Is it perhaps because you know it will be impossible to lynch me tommorow?
Alirght, now here is a small clarification. My role was highly guessable, it does not necessarily prove anything for sure, but on the other hand, I'm not ready to lynch Pinman after his claim. Neither am I convinced we should lynch Beskar even if he were to be Starwolf. Remember here, people are jumping against Starwolf because preconceptions demand that he be a bad guy like the game. This isn't the N64 game, this is a mafia game, preconceptions are dangerous.
I'd rather take a more conservative wait and see approach, instead lynching an inactive/slash lurker this round.
Vote: Stuck in Pi
That Beskar does not reach this conclusion himself, but instead is trying to convince us that lynching Pinman is the best way to deal with the situation, suggests that he is a bad (or neutral) role
Not really, it is actually, remarkably simple.
I happen to know what role I am, therefore, I do not need to "test him" by killing myself, because I evidently know the answer. I also evidently know the answer that is lying.
Even if his said accusation is correct, as seen in Pizza's right-up, Star Wolf is on the town side. Therefore, you would be killing one of the towns power-roles. In either case, a town member dies.
On the otherhand, I have one of the best scumdars in the gameroom, that I was able to pick up on Pinman, which made him come out with these obsurb claims.
Infact, the logic is actually this:
Kill Beskar, and you garentuee a town dies.
Kill Pinman, who is falsely claiming to be a 'scanner' who actually decides to reveal this "information" now, afterall, if I was mafia, would I been lynched earlier, other than when before he would die himself via a bandwagon?
So, which is it? You kill a townie, and possibly a town power role (Star Wofl), or actually kill a Mafia who is claiming to be a normal Cornerian which the ability to investigate everyone in the game which most likely shadows both johnhughthom (Katt) and Romanic (Falco) 's own abilities.
So the fact you don't reach this conclusion yourself, is because you are being easily fooled by classic scum tactics.
Beskar, the fact that you want me lynched so badly, and at this very moment, is disconcerting.
Is it perhaps because you know it will be impossible to lynch me tommorow?
Pinman, if it wasn't for the fact you are trying to OMGUS bandwagon me with a false claim, then you could actually make to make a point with that statement. You was the one who started the lies about me being some mafia in order to save yourself, because you got caught out.
I mean, you had no problems apparently as Mr. Joe Smuck, the Cornerian haven't an "apparent mafia" running around, and you never brought this up sooner in the round, where others also called you out on your scummy actions, but just before you are infact going to die, you come out with this last minute claim, in order to attempt to save yourself.
Now tell me Beskar - would you have revealed this information the second somebody voted for you? Or would you have waited until it was apparent there was nothing else to be done but tell the truth.
Cooler heads than I have prevailed. I am positive that Beskar is Star Wolf, but cannot be sure that he is guilty.
Let independant minds take care of this by scanning tonight.
Vote: Stuck in Pi
Now tell me Beskar - would you have revealed this information the second somebody voted for you? Or would you have waited until it was apparent there was nothing else to be done but tell the truth.
If I found the mafia, I would have told the town. One investigator, especially "Joe Smuck" is worth the cost of taking down a mafia. I would do my mafia honour.
On the otherhand, you never revealed anything till you pretty much was dead. Akin to Psychonaut in ShadowFort.
So who to believe? "Joe Smuck, your friendly local cornerian" who just happens to reveal "OMG Mafia" with his dying breath, or the desperate Mafia, clawing for survival in the final hours of the round?
Even then, the situation is slightly worse, as you are claiming I am a role who isn't even a mafia role, but infact, an anti-mafia role according to the write-ups from the host himself. So it would still make no sense in attempting to kill me, even if you was correct.
Sorry.
Unvote; Vote: Stuck in Pi
Cooler heads than I have prevailed. I am positive that Beskar is Star Wolf, but cannot be sure that he is guilty.
Let independant minds take care of this by scanning tonight.
Vote: Stuck in Pi
Actually, you just touched on something I said when replying on your other message. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish. However, since I will go with TheFlax said in private, and we allow an investigator to investigate you, to make sure you are not mafia.
Unvote; Vote: Stuck in Pi
I have nothing to lose by allowing you to be investigated, so i can agree to that with a clean conscience.
And an investigator to check you, Star Wolf.
God Emperor
06-24-2010, 02:52
Cooler heads than I have prevailed. I am positive that Beskar is Star Wolf, but cannot be sure that he is guilty.
Let independant minds take care of this by scanning tonight.
Vote: Stuck in Pi
unvote, Vote: Pinman
twist and turns^^ now you are not even sure that he is guilty. though it at first seemed like a good option to have Beskar Lynched to prove Pinman right or wrong, it now seems almost unlikly that Beskar is Star Wolf.
the reason why I think that, is because of Pinman's message which I quoted, but also, what seems to me, Beskar's complete lack of knowledge towards Star Wolf as a person. He is Star Fox sworn enemy, so saying that Star Wolf is on cornerias side, which he never before has been, seems very unlikely. Naturally it might be Beskar that is just a clever person, but this has at least convinced me.
Sorry for the vote, for the moment, Beskar :bow:
Me and Beskar made a deal, mediated through The Flax, that we'd let this go for now - and let the scanners take care of it.
johnhughthom
06-24-2010, 03:01
So Beskie did
one of the best scumdars in the gameroom register a false positive or have you been
easily fooled by classic scum tactics.
?
Beskar is using BS logic here.
He wants us to forget that Team Star Wolf has been killing townies since night one. Last night's write-up with the Zapper is proof enough, if you think the other two are vague. The Zapper is Panther's signature weapon.
Me and Beskar made a deal, mediated through The Flax, that we'd let this go for now - and let the scanners take care of it.
Don't be modest, you proposed the deal to me, as you didn't want to get lynched.
I only agreed, because if I get attacked tonight, it would be obvious you lied therefore, you just sealed your own fate to be doomed. :shrug: As I said, if I end up dying at night, in order to bring down a mafia, it is my duty as a town to do so.
I agree with you Chaotix, I think Star Wolf is anti -town, but I cannot be 100% positive.
Beskar - The Flax proposed that we vote for an inactive instead, don't lie. We merely negotiated the terms.
Beskar is using BS logic here.
He wants us to forget that Team Star Wolf has been killing townies since night one. Last night's write-up with the Zapper is proof enough, if you think the other two are vague. The Zapper is Panther's signature weapon.
Count Dooku shakes his head at you in disappointment. You never learnt from your mistake in that game.
Pizza has written up that Wolf is against the Big Bad. Also in the game, Starfox Command, Fox and Wolf are working together against a common foe. In all plausability, Wolf would be just like the vemons, which is, against the big bad in a rubicon styled set-up. There is no "BS" at all from my end.
Count Dooku shakes his head at you in disappointment. You never learnt from your mistake in that game.
Pizza has written up that Wolf is against the Big Bad. Also in the game, Starfox Command, Fox and Wolf are working together against a common foe. In all plausability, Wolf would be just like the vemons, which is, against the big bad in a rubicon styled set-up. There is no "BS" at all from my end.
I am extremely pleased that you are no longer even bothering to deny that you are Star Wolf.
Double A
06-24-2010, 03:26
It's not unlikely though that this is a 3-way battle, unless "something" happens.
Diana Abnoba
06-24-2010, 03:28
Vote: Astain at this time, will await the investigation results on Beskar and Pinman to make my final decision.
I am extremely pleased that you are no longer even bothering to deny that you are Star Wolf.
Nice try.
You have to do better than trying to suggest that me in a post correcting some one according to what the Host posted with reference to a previous game where they accused a pro-town of being a mafia and was responsible for their death.
Beskar is using BS logic here.
He wants us to forget that Team Star Wolf has been killing townies since night one. Last night's write-up with the Zapper is proof enough, if you think the other two are vague. The Zapper is Panther's signature weapon.
Removed: Write-up clues. No puzzles or hints in these. (Focus should be on standard mafia solving techniques)
Lets think about this from a mafia game perspective, without the fluff. There's a lot of incertitudes here and I'd rather wait a bit before commiting to lynch what could be a power role. That's what I'm still maintaining that lynching an inactive/lurker is the best solution at this time. This is a point in the game where we have time to think, lets not waste it.
Alright. So to clarify:
1. You vehemently deny being Star Wolf.
2. However, you are taking great pains to assure the town that were you Star Wolf, although you absolutely definitively are not, it would be ok. Your just another townie!
Is that scumdar of yours picking anything up? At the very least, it should be noting the obvious inconsistancy.
johnhughthom
06-24-2010, 03:39
Vote: Pinman
I don't like back alley deals.
pevergreen
06-24-2010, 03:42
I'm watching you Beefy. You're acting scared.
Vote: Beskar
Normal logic. Either Beskar is Wolf, and we find out by lynching, or hes not and we then get Pinman.
Vote: Pinman
I don't like back alley deals.
By that logic then, you should vote me.
I'm watching you Beefy. You're acting scared.
Vote: Beskar
Normal logic. Either Beskar is Wolf, and we find out by lynching, or hes not and we then get Pinman.
Beefy's vote switch, if you're referring to that, was prompted by me.
Also, how are you so sure that lynching Starwolf is so good? (Assuming here Beskar is Starwolf.) Or would that be one of those unhealthy assumptions I was referring to earlier?
Alright. So to clarify...
So to clarify:
1. You vehemently deny being mafia.
2. You claim you are just a normal Cornerian who apparently has some sort of uber investigator ability which people with roles don't have. You apparently find what you describe as a mafia, and then for 3 rounds, do not disclose this to anyone, except when you was about to die and on your death bed, who just happened to be accusing the person who picked up on your scumtells.
3. Even though this reveal didn't work as planned, you tried to stratch up a deal, where you apparently get investigated, however, there is no incidications there are actually any investigators in the game, and even if there were, they probably wouldn't even actually clarify what you are or not, since they cannot reveal privately anyway.
4. ??
5. Keep restating your theory, in order to hope you say it enough times, people might actually get convinced, due to the volume amount.
I could easily do this all day. In short - quit trying to squirm about.
1) Your absolutely right I deny it.
2) It wouldn't have been wise to reveal that you are Star Wolf immediately.
Back at CFC - in my time - it was always regarded better to wait and allow for the creation of useful voting patterns.
I stand by this completely.
3) There are only so many times I can say that this was The Flax's idea.
Death is yonder
06-24-2010, 04:24
Vote: Stuck in Pi
While you two keep arguing back and forth on who is guilty, I think that its best to ensure that neither of you get the boot.
@Pinman, similarly to the logic on yourself, surely you could have considered that IF Beskar was Starwolf, he would not want to reveal immediately?
My main point of contention is that the game set up is evidently two town teams with perhaps their individual pro town leaderships, against the big bad.
I'm rather confused as to why you would publicly damn yourself by revealing, THEN proceeding to attack a pro town role (whilst against the Cornelians and possibly StarFox, the main goal is still to remove the Big Bad at this point)
Nevertheless, I concur with the suggestion that voting for someone other than you two at this point is the best solution for this issue.
pevergreen
06-24-2010, 04:30
Beskar is panicking.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Falcohead.gif Interesting that Beskar does not confirm, nor deny that he is Star Wolf. That leaves a lot of possibilities in the air that would otherwise go away if he would simply answer this critical question. But instead he's playing around the park, and would agree to lynch an inactive player. That's odd for someone who's convinced Pinman is mafia.
If he was not Star Wolf, he would have told us already, because it involves to risk for him, besides it's the natural way to counterattack Pinman's claim. So Beskar is obviously Star Wolf, afraid to deny and be caught lying. Also possibly afraid to confirm Pinman as a scanner.
Why are you not speaking up Beskar? Will you let a scanner die instead of answering the claims that you are Star Wolf?
So to clarify:
1. You vehemently deny being mafia.
2. You claim you are just a normal Cornerian who apparently has some sort of uber investigator ability which people with roles don't have. You apparently find what you describe as a mafia, and then for 3 rounds, do not disclose this to anyone, except when you was about to die and on your death bed, who just happened to be accusing the person who picked up on your scumtells.
3. Even though this reveal didn't work as planned, you tried to stratch up a deal, where you apparently get investigated, however, there is no incidications there are actually any investigators in the game, and even if there were, they probably wouldn't even actually clarify what you are or not, since they cannot reveal privately anyway.
4. ??
5. Keep restating your theory, in order to hope you say it enough times, people might actually get convinced, due to the volume amount.
I could easily do this all day. In short - quit trying to squirm about.
Shouldn't 5 be: "Profit!"
Beefy187
06-24-2010, 05:29
Discussion with TheFlax led me to believe that lynching someone inactive would be reasonable solution.
We can end that discussion next phase.
Unvote, vote: Stuck in Pi
Shouldn't 5 be: "Profit!"
:beam:
Double A
06-24-2010, 05:55
In Soviet Russia, meme follows YOU !!
https://forums.totalwar.org/images/kagemusha/misc/quote_icon.png
Originally Posted by Rules
Removed: Write-up clues. No puzzles or hints in these. (Focus should be on standard mafia solving techniques)
There has to be some clues in the writeups, no matter what the above says.
For example, we know from the writeup that the Big Bad killed each day so far (The Big Bad is represented by the blue vortex picture). That's a clue right there.
We also know that someone else, flying a ship has killed on day 1 and day 3, that's another clue. It's a ship (it's not Santa Claus with his reindeer sleigh!).
Then when Chaotix is killed by this ship, and it says ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP, it could be another clue.
(reference: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Panther)
Panther Caroso is a member of Star Wolf (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wolf). He becomes infatuated with Krystal (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Krystal) at the Sargasso Region (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Sargasso_Region), and when Fox fires her in Star Fox Command (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Fox_Command), Krystal turns to Panther and the rest of Star Wolf.
[...]
Panther pilots the Black Rose, which looks somewhat like the Wolfen II seen in Star Fox 64. It is armed with the Zapper, a powerful but slow-firing laser.
I'm with Chaotix here, the Zapper, as he said, is Panther Caroso's signature weapon and Panther is with the Star Wolf team. They likely killed 2 of us, and I'm hearing talk about how could Star Wolf possibly be pro-town. I suggest that you read the Wiki like I did, or at least listen to Chaotix, he knows about this stuff.
The Star Wolf team is very possibly our second enemy.
******
On the other matter, Beskar vs Pinman, I don't like how people are ready to wash their hands and lynch an inactive (Stuck in Pi) instead of picking a side. And I don't like how TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar, convince people and make shady deals to accomplish all this, just for the possibility that Star Wolf is pro-town (when he's likely not).
johnhughthom
06-24-2010, 06:30
that's another clue. It's a ship
Doesn't everybody have a ship?
Double A
06-24-2010, 06:36
No, we all have Landmasters.
Oh wait this isn't Brawl...
According to some background information that ATPG sent me to help me understand the game, Star Wolf teamed up with Star Fox to destroy some evil force known as the Aparoids (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Aparoid_Invasion).
With the help of Wolf O'Donnell, who is able to swallow his pride and work with Star Fox for the sake of the Lylat System, and the rest of the Star Wolf team, Corneria City is rescued from total destruction
This seems like a similar situation, so it would be foolish to potentially kill such a powerful Anti-Big-Bad force. So I say we lynch Pinman, either he's telling the truth and we have identified one of our most powerful resources, or he's lying and we kill a mafia.
Doesn't everybody have a ship?
Do we? How do you know? The Big Bad is on the other side of a vortex, who knows what's behind. And I could see some of us in a star base instead of a ship.
Anyway, that's not my point. We know that this killer is not the Big Bad because it's a ship (and not a vortex).
Beefy187
06-24-2010, 06:48
Just give Pinman one more night to prove him self.
Its still early phase of the game, and we can afford to make some mistakes hoping for a greater good
Also, those who want to kill the inactive person instead of beskar or pinman should instead place a vote for "no lynch".
pevergreen
06-24-2010, 09:27
According to some background information that ATPG sent me to help me understand the game, Star Wolf teamed up with Star Fox to destroy some evil force known as the Aparoids (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Aparoid_Invasion).
This seems like a similar situation, so it would be foolish to potentially kill such a powerful Anti-Big-Bad force. So I say we lynch Pinman, either he's telling the truth and we have identified one of our most powerful resources, or he's lying and we kill a mafia.
Looking at it the other way, he claims investigator, the accepted practice has been to lynch their target, since in a game like this, roles are revealed. If Beskar is, I believe it will show in the writeup his affiliation. I don't believe he is pro town.
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2010, 10:29
Pinman: (8) Yaropolk, autolycus, ArpeggiateTHIS, WEW, Double A, God Emperor, JHT, Miotas
Beskar: (2) landlubber, pevergreen
Stuck in Pi: (5) TheFlax, Pinman, Beskar, Stuck in Pi, Beefy187
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
abstain: (3) TheFlax, CDF, Diana Abnoba
Unofficial tally
EDIT: This tally is a dumb tally. I found two errors already.
Vote: Abstain
By the way, if a person who does not know anything about Star Fox may say anything around here, who could be the bad guys if Venomians and Star Wolf aren't evil?
Stuck in Pi
06-24-2010, 12:35
I'm torn here, because back on CFC, Pinman has convinced me of his innocence far to many times to count while not being pro-innocent. On the other hand, I really have no idea of any of the .org's players standard MO. So in the interest of not killing potential scanners, Unvote, Vote: Beskar.
https://forums.totalwar.org/images/kagemusha/misc/quote_icon.png There has to be some clues in the writeups, no matter what the above says.
For example, we know from the writeup that the Big Bad killed each day so far (The Big Bad is represented by the blue vortex picture). That's a clue right there.
We also know that someone else, flying a ship has killed on day 1 and day 3, that's another clue. It's a ship (it's not Santa Claus with his reindeer sleigh!).
Oh please, don't be obtuse. Of course the number of kills is useful information and of course the big bad has one kill per night, that's the kind of information you'd get in any game. I'd even agree that kills using the same method are most likely done by the same person/group.
Then when Chaotix is killed by this ship, and it says ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP, it could be another clue.
(reference: http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Panther)
I'm with Chaotix here, the Zapper, as he said, is Panther Caroso's signature weapon and Panther is with the Star Wolf team. They likely killed 2 of us, and I'm hearing talk about how could Star Wolf possibly be pro-town. I suggest that you read the Wiki like I did, or at least listen to Chaotix, he knows about this stuff.
The Star Wolf team is very possibly our second enemy.
This is were it goes too far, that's specifically the kind of clue ATPG would add in other games, but he said he'd refrain in this one. ATPG wanted us to relie on standard mafia hunting techniques, that mostly mean analyzing thread behavior. It could very well be that ATPG is including false positives for all we know. There was also the fact ATPG made this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2507145&viewfull=1#post2507145) saying we can avoid reading the writeups and not miss something.
What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.
On the other matter, Beskar vs Pinman, I don't like how people are ready to wash their hands and lynch an inactive (Stuck in Pi) instead of picking a side. And I don't like how TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar, convince people and make shady deals to accomplish all this, just for the possibility that Star Wolf is pro-town (when he's likely not).
Explain to me why do we need to pick a side in the Beskar v. Pinman debate now? How can you be sure lynching even one of them is a good choice? Also, I'm really disliking the way you're painting me here. "TheFlax is going out of his way to protect Beskar." That's not exactly true, now is it? I'm also going out of my way to try to avoid Pinman getting lynched also. As the insitgator of the bandwagon against him, if I really wanted only Beskar to live, I could have continued leaning on Pinman, but I think that's a bad idea. As for the likelyness of Starwolf being town, from what I understand of the setup, its very possible, though I can't say I'm sure.
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
(https://forums.totalwar.org/member.php?59762-ArpeggiateTHIS)
What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.
You're not the only person that's stated this, and it seems increasingly plausible each time I see it; I see no sense in lynching a scanner (particularly one who has had claims verified), and no sense in lynching Beskar (if he is Wolf) when there's a possibility he could be of use against the Big Bad.
vote: abstain
There's something that's been niggling at me as I read over the last few pages though; why does a standard Cornerian have a ship-scanning ability?
You see, I would guess that each and every player has a ship of some kind, be it Arwing, Wolfen, Cornerian, Venomian or whatever... everyone except the Big Bad, at least, who we assume to be this vortex thing, so it's possible that a player who turns up no results from a ship scanner is the Big Bad; such an ability might be the only means to find said adversary, so why does a Cornerian have those means and not Fox, Falco or others?
Let us examine the situation:
1. I am claiming to have a scan ability, and have provided ample evidence of this ability. It should be fairly obvious to all concerned that Beskar is in fact Star Wolf. To top that off, I have also correctly told TheFlax his role (Although, of course, this could be guessed).
Anybody doubting the scan ability is simply paranoid.
2. I have claimed to be a simple Cornerian - which seems to be implausable. I have not, because there is no way too during this phase, provided any evidence to support this claim. However, it is a simple matter of waiting till the night phase to check this out.
In the meantime, given the (very minimal) uncertainty surrounding the alllignment of Star Wolf, we can wait and lynch an inactive.
I can't understand the uncertainty here.
Yaropolk
06-24-2010, 18:02
Unvote: Pinman; Vote: Beskar
Pinman laid his cards out on the table. If we lynch Beskar, and he's not Star Wolf, Pinman is next. There is no way to twist the truth. A Beskar lynch will give us concrete information on Pinman.
Beskar on the other hand has said nothing which could be proven false tonight by lynchin Pinman. If Pinman is lynched and revealed to be a scanner, Beskar will get a chance tomorrow to twist the news to his side. E.G. yes I'm Star Wolf, but I'm not bad. Or if Pinman's death doesnt show a clear reveal, Beskie's off the hook without much of a defense.
Yaropolk
06-24-2010, 18:14
Beskar - if you're really pro town then either confirm or deny that you're Wolf O'Donnel. At the very least that will either confirm Pinman as investigator or accuse him of lies. I encourage everyone to put pressure on Beskar to claim by voting for him.
What you're ignoring with many others is that this is a Rubicon type setup, where both cornerians and venomians have mirror power roles on their side. Now, like in that game we can fight against each other or we can kill the bad guys.
I haven't looked at Rubicon until now, and from what I gathered there was two factions, Ceasarians and Pompeians, fighting against each other for victory, without any bad guys around. This one here is different, with the Big Bad around.
I can imagine a setup pitting Star Fox vs Star Wolf, with the Venomians stuck in the middle, with a possibility to pick either side. It is now obvious to me why you are strongly suggesting... er what you are suggesting. Let's drop this debate, and we'll see how things develop, but Cornerians shouldn't dismiss the possibility that Star Wolf is our enemy. :bow:
Explain to me why do we need to pick a side in the Beskar v. Pinman debate now?
Procrastination is rarely good, and tomorrow may bring something new that will require out attention. Resolving this today is best, otherwise the same questions will resurface tomorrow.
How can you be sure lynching even one of them is a good choice?
I'm not. How can you be sure that keeping both alive is a good choice? :laugh4:
Also, I'm really disliking the way you're painting me here.
I'm painting you the way I see it. You appear to be sticking your nose somewhere you don't belong. I would rather see Beskar and Pinman fight each other than having a diplomat coming out of nowhere to resolve delay the matter. How can we be sure of anything if you work the arguments and the solution with them?
Enjoy this unofficial tally:
7 Pinman (ArpTHIS, autolycus, Double A, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, WEW)
5 Stuck in Pi (Beefy, Beskar, DiY, Pinman, Flax)
4 Beskar (landlubber,pevergreen, Stuck in Pi, Yaropolk)
1 ArpegiateTHIS (Khazaar)
1 wideyedwanderer (Nightbringer)
*****
4 abstrain (CDF, Diana, Secura, Seon)
*****
14 Not voting
Vote: ArpeggiateTHIS
(https://forums.totalwar.org/member.php?59762-ArpeggiateTHIS)
I would like to point out the most nonsensical vote in this entire round.
FoS: Khazaar
vote: Beskar
I hate to place a vote when I'm not sure I'll be around to move it, but Beskar, you really need to put up or shut up at this point. Claim your role and your goals.
hell_hound
06-24-2010, 20:09
vote:no lynch
I do not wish to lynch stuck in pi as he is no longer inactive
Voting for Pinman is absurd if he truly is a scanner
Voting for Beskar if he truly is a power neutral role. How long does it take people to realise that neutral means neutral and does not mean evil!
Skooma Addict
06-24-2010, 20:54
I haven't looked at Rubicon until now, and from what I gathered there was two factions, Ceasarians and Pompeians, fighting against each other for victory, without any bad guys around. This one here is different, with the Big Bad around.
I can imagine a setup pitting Star Fox vs Star Wolf, with the Venomians stuck in the middle, with a possibility to pick either side. It is now obvious to me why you are strongly suggesting... er what you are suggesting. Let's drop this debate, and we'll see how things develop, but Cornerians shouldn't dismiss the possibility that Star Wolf is our enemy. :bow:
Procrastination is rarely good, and tomorrow may bring something new that will require out attention. Resolving this today is best, otherwise the same questions will resurface tomorrow.
I'm not. How can you be sure that keeping both alive is a good choice? :laugh4:
I'm painting you the way I see it. You appear to be sticking your nose somewhere you don't belong. I would rather see Beskar and Pinman fight each other than having a diplomat coming out of nowhere to resolve delay the matter. How can we be sure of anything if you work the arguments and the solution with them? Procrastination can be a good thing, particularly with collecting evidence to back a claim. If you're unsure about someone it's not a bad idea to allow them to make a mistake on their own, or possibly prove their innocence. I have sent a few innocent players home early due to premature action, purely ignorance on my part. I would like to avoid that here if possible. Keeping them both alive for now, I believe, is a better decision then lynching either one. The situation is odd to say the least. Pinman claims to be a normal cornie town with scanning abilities and that besker is star wolf, which doesn't really mean too much since we don't have supporting evidence that star wolf is pro-mafia this game. On the other hand, beskar is cunningly dodging the question with redirects. The truth will be made known in due time. We should be focusing on stopping who is actually killing us, and what paths to take to get to that end. The info thread states that our winning condition is to eliminate the big bad along with other hostile forces. Nights 1 and 3 there were two kills when night 2 had only one. I think it's likely there's another faction attacking us, possibly even misguided vig kills, or perhaps an aggressive neutral if such a thing exists. Though to a degree, I do agree with your perspective on private arrangements. I feel that discussions done privately are more detrimental then helpful due to the fact that you no longer have the resources of every town player being able to analyze and dissect the subtleties of the conversation. Right now, I think we are at a stand still. You want action instead of stagnation and normally that would work for the towns benefit in the end, but I do not feel strongly that acting on either candidate will pay off just yet. I would like more time and info. I think right now we can still afford to bide our time. Vote: Abstain Only to possibly prevent the two proposed power roles in question from being lynched and I would ask those who have not voted yet to do so before it is too late. We need the efforts and opinions of everyone.
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-24-2010, 21:03
Vote: abstain
I kind of want to hear a little more from Beskar.
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2010, 21:06
Vote: Abstain Only to possibly prevent the two proposed power roles in question from being lynched and I would ask those who have not voted yet to do so before it is too late. We need the efforts and opinions of everyone
Just a reminder, Abstain and No Lynch are two different votes.
Abstain means "Present" but you have no opinion and thus, your vote is only counted for activity. It has no effect on the tally, and there will be a lynch.
No Lynch means "I have an opinion" and that opinion is, predictably, don't lynch anyone. That means if No Lynch outnumbers the top lynch candidate, there is no lynch.
Voting Abstain = voting for Pinman to die at the moment. Think on that.
seireikhaan
06-24-2010, 21:12
vote:no lynch
I do not wish to lynch stuck in pi as he is no longer inactive
Voting for Pinman is absurd if he truly is a scanner
Voting for Beskar if he truly is a power neutral role. How long does it take people to realise that neutral means neutral and does not mean evil!
Neutral means they aren't pro-town. Which means they're evil, assuming you want the town to win.
Vote: Beskar
Neutral means they aren't pro-town. Which means they're evil, assuming you want the town to win.
Vote: Beskar
Hogwash, that's not what the victory conditions say at all.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-24-2010, 21:37
Voting Abstain = voting for Pinman to die at the moment. Think on that.
Unvote: abstain, Vote: Stuck in Pi
because apparently Beskar and Pinman are friends now or something. But really, did these back room deals actually reach some kind of consensus? (and by that I mean, care to tell the masses about it rather than keep it hidden?)
autolycus
06-24-2010, 21:40
unvote: Pinman, vote: Beskar I don't trust Star Wolf as far as I can throw him, which is none too far.
Unvote: abstain, Vote: Stuck in Pi
because apparently Beskar and Pinman are friends now or something. But really, did these back room deals actually reach some kind of consensus?
"Backroom deal" is being touted a lot, but there really isn't much to it. All of the arguments discussed in private have also been made in public, I mainly just asked them both in private if they'd be ready to vote for a third party, to which they said "yes". Also, remember, I didn't choose to do all of this, I was brought in because I had been supposedly investigated by Pinman and thus became involved in the Pinman v. Beskar debate.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-24-2010, 21:45
"Backroom deal" is being touted a lot, but there really isn't much to it. All of the arguments discussed in private have also been made in public, I mainly just asked them both in private if they'd be ready to vote for a third party, to which they said "yes". Also, remember, I didn't choose to do all of this, I was brought in because I had been supposedly investigated by Pinman and thus became involved in the Pinman v. Beskar debate.
oh. So nothing actually got resolved?
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2010, 21:45
edit, hold on
oh. So nothing actually got resolved?
No. My idea of lynching a third party was to give us time to gather info, not give a free pass to either Beskar or Pinman. And no, there isn't some sort of big conspiracy of shadowy deals, sorry. :clown:
Askthepizzaguy
06-24-2010, 21:59
Beskar: (7) landlubber, pevergreen, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, autolycus
Pinman: (6) Arpeggiate, WEW, Double A, God Emperor, JHT, miotas
Stuck in Pi: (6) Flax, Pinman, Beskar, DIY, Beefy, CDF
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
ArpeggiateTHIS: (1) Khazaar
No Lynch: (1) hell hound
abstain: (5) Diana, Seon, Secura, Skooma, ATPGood
Both my original tally, and my updated tally, and Romanic's tally were ALL bad.
That means I did a careful tally from the beginning.
This one is accurate.
Vote: Beskar
It wouldn't surprise me you being wrong again, Palpatine.
Both my original tally, and my updated tally, and Romanic's tally were ALL bad.
That means I did a careful tally from the beginning.
This one is accurate.
Errr, pever is allowed to vote. Sorry :embarassed:
I thought he was dead, but aye, he came back as a sub.
You guys keep going on about clues in the write-up when there are supposed to be none. Here's the deal:
If you consider Star Wolf to be "Pro-town" or "Neutral" or whatever, then there are clearly clues in the write-ups pointing to them as murderers.
However. If Star Wolf is considered right from the beginning to be "Anti-town", then there are no clues in the write-ups. Because, you have to already assume that Star Wolf would be killing people. And as a result, the only new information you get is whether or not it was this Andross/Big Bad character OR Star Wolf. Who are both assumed to be enemies.
The only way ATPG isn't breaking his own rules is with the second explanation.
Therefore, lynch Beskar.
oh. So nothing actually got resolved?
I am not friends with Star Wolf. I think he is almost certainly an enemy of the town.
The almost is what caused me to change my vote - for today.
seireikhaan
06-24-2010, 23:30
It wouldn't surprise me you being wrong again, Palpatine.
:rolleyes: I seem to recall you calling me evil and guilty in every game I wasn't. Good to know you're over that nasty habit, though I'd appreciate it if you would stop calling me by my old, innocent townsperson names.
You guys keep going on about clues in the write-up when there are supposed to be none.
Even though the write-ups say who was killed and in what manner...
If you consider Star Wolf to be "Pro-town" or "Neutral" or whatever, then there are clearly clues in the write-ups pointing to them as murderers.
However. If Star Wolf is considered right from the beginning to be "Anti-town", then there are no clues in the write-ups. Because, you have to already assume that Star Wolf would be killing people. And as a result, the only new information you get is whether or not it was this Andross/Big Bad character OR Star Wolf. Who are both assumed to be enemies.
So to summarise, if you believe Wolf is pro-town/neutral power-role, then there are clues in the write-ups, then there are clues pointing them as murderers.
The alignment of Wolf has no bearing on whenever or not there are clues in the write-up.
However, if there are no clues, you have to automatically assume he would be killing people as a mafia.
Same critical logic failure.
Who are both assumed to be enemies.
This is an assumption with no bearing on reality. As posted by the Host:
12. The Big Bad (main enemy of the game)
* This is the role that the Town and Neutral factions start off opposing.
* The Big Bad could be anyone.
* There may be more than one Big Bad... or just one, depending on what happens.
The Big Bad is the enemy of the game. The "Star Wolf is Mafia" is simply because Chaotix decides to say so, irrespective of any factual information.
The only way ATPG isn't breaking his own rules is with the second explanation.
Therefore, the only way the host being fair is with this logic disapproves your own point?
huh?
Therefore, listen to me.
Because the ability to pull rabbits out of magic holes means you are correct.
https://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8336/thereforelynchbeskar.png
Skooma Addict
06-24-2010, 23:43
Voting Abstain = voting for Pinman to die at the moment. Think on that.
Right, forgot the rules. Seems someone has to go today. Unvote, Vote: Stuck in Pi I would vote for no-lynch but it would have no impact I'm afraid.
Has Beskar roleclaimed yet?:laugh4:
Stuck in Pi
06-24-2010, 23:51
I think I missed something here. Why exactly am I being lynched?
Frozen In Ice
06-24-2010, 23:53
I'm going to have to go with Vote: Beskar. I feel that if we even have only a fair chance a getting a mafia out of this whole Pinman v. Beskar, we have to take it.
I'm going to have to go with Vote: Beskar. I feel that if we even have only a fair chance a getting a mafia out of this whole Pinman v. Beskar, we have to take it.
So, to do this, you would want to kill the one which isn't a mafia or even being accused of being a mafia?
Also, I would like to remind people of Netherworld, regardless of any results correct or otherwise, the investigator was the mafia. This is more relevance since in a seemingly large game there is only 1-2 kills, usually in a large game, you are looking at 3-4. This implies the Mafia has other abilities.
This is also a relevant point, considering Pinman is not claiming to be Fox or part of the Starfox team. As it has been brought up before, "Joe Smuck" getting a very powerful ability. Also, consider that one of the people working for Star Fox is also voting for Pinman, therefore, he isn't a member of the Starfox team.
So, to do this, you would want to kill the one which isn't a mafia or even being accused of being a mafia?
>Implying Wolf isn't anti-town.
As I noted earlier, his attempts to do that, while still refusing to admit he is Star Wolf, are highly amusing.
>Implying Wolf isn't anti-town.
Also, I quoted the host twice, where he said:
1) Everyone, town and neutral, are working agains the Big Bad (s).
2) Where the Host said Wolf is after the Big Bad.
= Fact, not an assumption.
1) Everyone, town and neutral, are working agains the Big Bad (s).
working agains the Big Bad (s).
Big Bad (s).
(s)
>Implying Wolf cannot possibly be a "Big Bad".
>Implying Wolf cannot possibly be a "Big Bad".
Erm, Wolf isn't the Big Bad or is a Big Bad. Since the host explicitly said Wolf is against the Big Bad in the write-up, it is impossible for him to actually be against himself, is it?
Stop pulling rabbits out of your magic hole.
https://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8336/thereforelynchbeskar.png
Erm, Wolf isn't the Big Bad or is a Big Bad. Since the host explicitly said Wolf is against the Big Bad in the write-up, it is impossible for him to actually be against himself, is it?
Stop pulling rabbits out of your magic hole.
https://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8336/thereforelynchbeskar.png
>Implying you didn't understand what I meant by that statement.
>Implying Wolf cannot possibly be an additional Big Bad who is pitted against the other one.
>Implying you didn't understand what I meant by that statement.
>Implying Wolf cannot possibly be an additional Big Bad who is pitted against the other one.
Chaotix = Talking out of his behind.
Do the town a favour and refrain from posting again, instead of nonsense. All you are doing is confusing people and spamming the thread.
This is degenerating in some pretty nonconstructive dialogue guys. :no:
I think its pretty clear who will be lynched in three hours. We'll see what comes of that.
Double A
06-25-2010, 02:07
Double A = here
confused = very yes
I think I missed something here. Why exactly am I being lynched?
Because everyone forgot that No Lynch was an option.
Actually, I just discovered something very disturbing, to illustrate this, am I going to ask Falco (Romanic) a question directly in here.
Falco said earlier that both me and Pinmen are viable choices. This in-line with scumtells and information I have recieved.
So I will ask this.
Falco, is Pinmen a good lynch choice?
(because I cannot ask privately for obvious reasons)
Actually, I just discovered something very disturbing, to illustrate this, am I going to ask Falco (Romanic) a question directly in here.
Falco said earlier that both me and Pinmen are viable choices. This in-line with scumtells and information I have recieved.
So I will ask this.
Falco, is Pinmen a good lynch choice?
Just like I said, any of you two is a good lynch in my eyes, to clarify this situation. What I don't want is to lynch someone else and see this scenario come back on day 5.
Because everyone forgot that No Lynch was an option.
No Lynch is a terrible choice at Day 4. When in doubt better lynch an unknown lurker, because it is nearly impossible to get a read on them by thread information. Stuck in Pi was chosen more or less at random from the people with the less posts in this thread.
Alright then, I will be clear and straight to the point.
I am Star Wolf, I am a neutral power-role investigator.
My ability is to be able to check the ships, which Pizza said to me OOC to be the best investigation ability in the game, and the only one to check the Big Bad.
This is how I also know the set-up of the game intimately. The set-up is two town factions, the Cornerians and Vemonians with their respective power-roles Star-Fox and Star-Wolf. Our collective mission is to stop the big bad. I also know from this, that Team Star Wolf are in contact with eachother, so is Team Star Fox.
I got a scum-reading on Pinmen, hence I started my accusations against him. When he said he investigated me, I instantly knew he wasn't a starfox member, and was akin to Netherwold where Sigurd was a mafia investigator.
He claim pleaing to me in private to stop, and through TheFlax. TheFlax was convinced he might be StarFox or a member of the team, so I decided to the truce. The idea of the truce was for me to investigate Pinmen to work out his true alignment.
Obviously, lots of people understood this, and either abstained, no lynched, etc, with possible Bad guys, claiming I was some anti-town role.
More information kept coming my way, especially as Starfox team was in complete confusion over the incident, knowing that Pinman isn't a member of Starfox (or even the town), however, as I am Wolf, they weren't sure how to proceed.
Anyway, in short -
Pinman is a Big Bad Aligned Mafia Investigator
Killing me will prove nothing, you can always kill me tomorrow, but he isn't a member of StarFox or a pro-town. He needs to be stopped.
unvote; vote: Pinman
If Falco says he is a good lynch choice, then he is obviously not a pro-town member.
wideyedwanderer
06-25-2010, 02:56
Actually, I just discovered something very disturbing, to illustrate this, am I going to ask Falco (Romanic) a question directly in here.
Falco said earlier that both me and Pinmen are viable choices. This in-line with scumtells and information I have recieved.
So I will ask this.
Falco, is Pinmen a good lynch choice?
(because I cannot ask privately for obvious reasons)
I may be new to mafia games and this site, but I would think, with Falco being dead, him giving his opinion on a lynch would be against the rules?
Nevertheless, I stand by my vote for Pinman. I definitely agree that between Pinman and Beskar, one of them has to go this round. Pinman, out of nowhere, just as he's going to be lynched, announces that he knows the identity of Starwolf, or some crazy story like that? It just seems a bit...convinient, stretched, and suspicious, IMO.
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2010, 03:00
I may be new to mafia games and this site, but I would think, with Falco being dead, him giving his opinion on a lynch would be against the rules?
He's allowed to give his opinion on who is guilty or innocent.
If he had an investigative ability, he cannot reveal the results of that, or hint.
wideyedwanderer
06-25-2010, 03:02
As I was typing my last post, Beskar went ahead and revealed himself as Starwolf. He claims to be neutral, and he could very well be, but I clearly remember from playing Star Fox 64 all my battles with Star Wolf... :inquisitive: I still think voting for Pinman is the best choice right now, since he seems to be the bigger immediate threat, but after that, we'll have to decide what to do with the big bad wolf.
Obviously I can now tell you absolutely that Beskar is lying - and is anti -town.
EDIT: Beskar told the Flax that he had an ability to recognize Star Fox - and that he therefore knows I am Star Fox. Flax can confirm this.
Please note I am NOT Star Fox - but Beskar assumed that I was for some reason. Hes lying to save his life.
Double A
06-25-2010, 03:05
Ok, I don't know if Wolf has any ulterior motives or not, but his argument makes sense to me. If both Falco and Wolf see Pinman as a baddy, then he can't be good news.
vote: Pinman
Obviously I can now tell you absolutely that Beskar is lying - and is anti -town.
Hahaha, but I am not! I am the vemonian power-role investigator. I am not anti-town at all.
Also...
Pinman is not Team Star Fox (aka, Cornerian Power Roles) but infact, the MAFIA.
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Hey Town, if you think I am actually bad, kill me tomorrow, but let's nail the mafia first.
Fox, you get rid of me freely after this if you wanted, but lets nail this scum first.
i'm waiting on Flax to nail you Beskar.
Gem of the Day:
Please note I am NOT Star Fox
Please note I am NOT Star Fox
Please note I am NOT Star Fox
Please note I am NOT Star Fox
Please note I am NOT Star Fox
He is the Mafia, Lynch Time!
i'm waiting on Flax to nail you Beskar.
But he won't, because I never claimed that I have investigated you. You lied.
Flax, come and show this. The conditions of the truce was you to be investigated, but since I am the investigator...
Edit:
TheFlax says:
I was fishing
I said, Beskar says you are Starfox to get something out of him
You are going down, Mafia!
Excellent. Lets wait for Flax then.
Actually, I lied to Pinman. I told him Beskar knew he was Starfox as an attempt to test his reaction. Beskar never told me he investigated Pinman or that Pinman was Starfox. Beskar told me Pinman might be Starfox, and I just took it from there as a fishing attempt on Pinman. :shrug:
Unvote; Vote Pinman
I went with the truce as I thought he might be Starfox, in otherwords, two allies fighting a foe.
Though Pinman kept breaking the truce conditions by kept on repeating I was Star Wolf, and the fact Star Fox team knows he isn't one of them. Plus with the information I recieved from Pizza about my investigation ability (Which anyone else who had it, would have to be Fox or the Big Bad), but instead "Joe Smuck the average Cornerian" doesn't make sense at all.
Shame I didn't realise this sooner that he wasn't part of the Star Fox team, I would have nailed him then.
Kill me tomorrow, you know who I am and what my ability is. Let's get this mafia scum first.
unvote, vote: Pinman
This post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2513109&viewfull=1#post2513109) from Beskar pretty much proves that my assumption was correct; ship-scanning is a powerful investigative ability wielded by Wolf (and I would guess Fox as well if the Rubicon mechanics hold true), and unlikely to be found in the hands of a bog-standard Cornerian. So why does Pinman have it?
Also, Romanic states that he feels that either option is a good lynch (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2513105&viewfull=1#post2513105), which would suggest that Pinman was not allied with Falco, so we're looking at a proposed Cornerian with an ability akin to the neutral Wolf's and he's not Fox, Slippy or Peppy. So, who are you, Pinman?
I'm going to take my chances with Beskar over the generic townie claiming a powerful ability, but if there was ever a time to tell the truth, it would be now; Beskar's come out, you might as well do the same, Pinman.
There is very little that I can say at this point. The one thing I will will emphasize is that Beskar's story has constantly shifted - while mine has stayed the same.
All I ask is one night to be scanned and prove myself. Beskar seems fundamentally opposed to this - because it will give me credibility, and make his position extremely difficult.
Please don't be deceived by Beskar's changing stories - and scummy behaviour. Lynch Star Wolf - the man who killed Star Fox's father.
pevergreen
06-25-2010, 03:40
So basically, Beskar accused Pinman, Pinman OMGUS accused Beskar, now Beskar is panicking and is all like:
https://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7931/wolf1x.jpg
but now he has reveals and he is like
https://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3923/wolf2s.jpg
There is very little that I can say at this point. The one thing I will will emphasize is that Beskar's story has constantly shifted - while mine has stayed the same.
All I ask is one night to be scanned and prove myself. Beskar seems fundamentally opposed to this - because it will give me credibility, and make his position extremely difficult.
Please don't be deceived by Beskar's changing stories - and scummy behaviour. Lynch Star Wolf - the man who killed Star Fox's father.
:laugh4: :laugh4:
Can't let you do that, Mafia!
[P.S, the only change was me = Star Wolf, whereas I didn't admit to it. The rest of it correct. On the other hand, you are lying and still lying now.]
pevergreen
06-25-2010, 03:48
Lynch Star Wolf - the man who killed Star Fox's father.
Unvote, Vote: Pinman
His father is quite clearly alive. Even if he wasn't, we don't know how he died.
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2010, 04:24
less than 40 mins to go.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/popcorn.gif
autolycus
06-25-2010, 04:42
unvote; vote:Pinman
Secura's post summarizes it nicely.
Roleclaiming as Androssian Servant.
Star Wolf is the other killer. You can choose to believe me, or you can choose not too.
Double A
06-25-2010, 04:59
Roleclaiming as Androssian Servant.
Star Wolf is the other killer. You can choose to believe me, or you can choose not too.
Let's see... neutral guy vs servant of SUPER MEGA EVIL DUDE.
Not much of a constest here, bub.
Death is yonder
06-25-2010, 04:59
Unvote: Stuck in pi
Vote: Pinman
Roleclaiming as Androssian Servant.
News in Thread: Beskar nails Mafia-scum
Well played Pinman, you had the advantage since the reveal. Unfortunately claiming not to be Fox or a Fox team member is what ultimately brought you down since the start of that reveal. :bow:
Diana Abnoba
06-25-2010, 05:16
Unvote: Vote: Pinman
I don't know this story line well, nor played this game before. I don't know the characters like, Wolf, Falco, Peppy, Pigma, Slippy, Fox's father...all I know is that Pinman to me sounds like a caught mafia, with a cover role of a standard Cornerian. One to me, that would not have, an investigation ability.
Death is yonder
06-25-2010, 05:17
Well, after arriving back on thread with 5 minutes to go, on a quick skim through, I think that Pinman seems rather panicked.
I stand by my vote, despite the short time taken to formulate it, I believe that Pinman was indeed a better lynch than Beskar.
Main reason:
Roleclaiming as Androssian Servant.
First thing that caught my eye, this basically means that he is guaranteed to be the mafia, whereas Beskar is not.
Additionally, Pinman seems to have had no qualms with attacking Beskar without considering that he might be a protown, Venomian side.
Diana Abnoba
06-25-2010, 05:22
Who is this Androssian, is he the "big bad"? Is there a wikipedia sight for this game?
Death is yonder
06-25-2010, 05:24
Presumably he is the big bad if he isn't a Cornelian or a Venomian.
Starfox Wiki (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)
Diana Abnoba
06-25-2010, 05:29
Thanks so much DIY, I have bookmarked the site.
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-25-2010, 05:47
Unvote; vote: Pinman
seireikhaan
06-25-2010, 05:52
Oh goody. Now we just need to lynch beskar tomorrow and we'll be dandy. :yes:
Oh goody. Now we just need to lynch beskar tomorrow and we'll be dandy. :yes:
No we don't, Palpatine.
seireikhaan
06-25-2010, 06:15
No we don't, Palpatine.
You don't want to wear a dunce hat for a 3rd time, do you?
Awww, having second thoughts about death, are we? Oh, right, anyone could have seen how insincere that proclamation was.
Skooma Addict
06-25-2010, 06:16
Unvote, Vote: Pinman
Awww, having second thoughts about death, are we? Oh, right, anyone could have seen how insincere that proclamation was.
It was to allow me to prove my point, and if I failed, I "had my chance" and off I go. I proved my point and I was correct. Therefore, being correct, there is no point in killing me. At least untill the big bad is got rid off at least.
On the otherhand, you would have allowed him to kill me, then you would run around going "Pinmen is teh innocent" just because caused the death of someone having a scummy sounding name and who is not even a mafia.
Anyway, Star Fox knows who I am, allow him to handle me, no point in a lynch. Star Fox also knows where I stand.
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2010, 06:38
Day Phase Four
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg
General Pepper: There are rumors of strange activity on Aquas! Perhaps the enemy has a hidden base there.
Fox McCloud: We'll check it out. All wings, report in!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Aquas.jpg
Stage Four: Ocean Planet Aquas
Good luck!
You can watch this video for fun, but it doesn't quite fit into the story. :beam:
Instead, click on the music below it to accompany the writeup. Watch this video afterward if you want.
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_______________________
Click for music.
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: We're heading for Aquas. Report in. (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/fox-aquas.wav)
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: This is Peppy. All systems go. (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/pepsysgo.wav)
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Rob_64.jpg Rob64: Falco's ship is under maintenance (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/rob-falmaint.wav). Slippy's ship is still out of range.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: There's massive energy readings dead ahead.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: A battle above the surface.... who could it be?
The group of fighters cruised toward the violent scene ahead, where a group of starfighters was engaged in battle with a cloaked vessel of some kind.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-1.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: Don't get too cocky, Star Fox. (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/wolfccky.wav)
Fox McCloud: Just what I need to see; Star Wolf. (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/foxwolf1.wav)
Wolf O'Donnell: Nice of you to show up late to the party. Seems like I've done all the work for you.... that means I should get to claim all the reward. :evilgrin:
Fox McCloud: What are you talking about?
Wolf O'Donnell: Open your eyes, fool! Don't look now, but you're about to get pulverized.
Fox McCloud: Huh? What?
Out of what seemed like thin air, homing missiles emerged and headed straight for Fox's ship. A quick vertical loop maneuver and Fox was in the clear.
Wolf O'Donnell: Try staying awake next time, Fox. Leave this to more experienced fighter pilots. You might be good, but I'm better.
Fox McCloud: We'll just see about that, Star Wolf. (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/foxwolf2.wav) All-range mode!
Fox and Peppy began to engage the cloaked vessel at close range.
Wolf O'Donnell: What do you think you're doing? I don't need any of your help.
Fox McCloud: That's too bad, because you're about to get it.
Peppy Hare: The scanners can't see anything. Aim for the open spot, where the missiles are emerging. That might be a weakness in the cloaking shield.
Fox McCloud: I'm on it!
Wolf O'Donnell: Hey! I thought of that first! *snarl* How do you think we've been able to keep up with a cloaked ship firing homing torpedoes, you amateurs?
Fox McCloud: Excuse us for trying.
Wolf O'Donnell: Why don't you leave before you get hurt?
Fox McCloud: Why don't you focus on your own ship? Homing missile on your six.
Wolf O'Donnell: What?
Fox McCloud: I'll take care of it.
*ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP*
Wolf O'Donnell: No way! I don't believe it! ......Why don't you go bother someone else for a while?
Fox McCloud: That's gratitude for you.
Wolf O'Donnell: If you're going to be here, at least shut up and follow my lead. Otherwise, get out of my way.
Fox McCloud: Ha.... whatever you say, Wolf.
Wolf O'Donnell: Now it's time to show you cadets how it's done. All craft, fire on my mark!
The Star Wolf team opened fire on the enemy vessel, hitting it right in the missile launcher, causing it to explode. The cloaking shields dropped, revealing a massive warship with enough firepower to destroy every major city on Corneria, and enough fighter craft to take on the entire Cornerian Army.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/800px-Attackcarrier.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0a_64.jpgPinman: Ahhhhhh..... someone wants to play.
Peppy Hare: Incoming!
Pinman: Deploy all units!!! CHARGE!!!!
Peppy Hare: Aim for the open spot.
Wolf O'Donnell: Took you long enough....
Peppy Hare: Watch out, Fox! Missiles approaching. Shoot em down, we're being marked! (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/pep-mark.wav)
Wolf O'Donnell: Amateurs! I'll finish this....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
Wolf O'Donnell's Wolfen fighter fired plasma at the back of the attack carrier, damaging it's shield generator. He then dropped low to the surface and executed a perfect barrel roll underneath the craft, then a vertical loop around the back of Fox's Arwing, blasting all the missiles to smithereens. Then, he performed a corkscrew maneuver and ended up directly in front of fox, aimed at the attack carrier's hangar compartment. The fighter craft inside, and all of their engine reactors, missiles, and other dangerous materials, exploded in violent succession.
Wolf O'Donnell: Get out of my way, Star Fox.
Fox McCloud: I guess I'll take out the other missile launcher.
Fox performed a corkscrew maneuver and ended up side-by-side with Wolf, and fired his blue hyper lasers at the enemy craft. The missile launcher promptly broke off from the craft, leaving only the core of the giant ship intact.
Pinman: You are starting to annoy me! I'll crush you!
Wolf O'Donnell: Is that all you do, is talk?
Pinman: Fire all weapons! Destroy those cocky little punks!
Wolf O'Donnell: What did you just call me?
The attack carrier began firing a steady stream of flaming projectiles at the fighter craft, and began flying around at high speed attempting to crash into them.
Peppy Hare: Watch out, Fox!
Wolf O'Donnell: Evasive maneuvers. Star Wolf team, it is time to leave. Get out of here. I'll handle the rest.
Fox McCloud: I'll cover you....
Wolf O'Donnell: Nice try, fox, but this one is mine. Now give me some space, and I'll school you on how to fly.
Fox McCloud: Okay big guy, suit yourself.... All craft, break away....
Fox, Peppy, and the Great Fox break formation and enter the upper atmosphere, then watch what happens at a safe distance.
Wolf O'Donnell: Now that the extras have left the stage, it's time for the dramatic fight between the only pilot that really knows how to fly, and some overgrown amphibian who's way out of his league.
Pinman: You? You furry little worm.... I'll destroy you in ways you can't even begin to-
Wolf O'Donnell: SHUT UP!!!
Wolf destroyed the remaining weapons systems on the Attack Carrier. Then, he blasted a massive hole in the bridge of the starship.
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Wolf O'Donnell: I want to look you in the eye before I finish you...
Pinman: Who... are you???
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-1.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: I..... AM..... STAR WOLF!!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/creations-explosion-troyes-france-6.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0a_64-1.jpg Pinman: You'll never defeat Andross!!!!
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Enemies destroyed: 1
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Attackcarrier.jpg
Pinman- Attack Carrier
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0a_64-1.jpg Pinman: Well fought..... well fought...... but don't congratulate yourselves just yet. This party's only just begun!
Official tally:
Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, Flax, Double A, Beskar
Beskar: (7) landlubber, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Frozen in Ice, Pinman
Stuck in Pi: (2) Beefy, CDF
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
ArpeggiateTHIS: (1) Khazaar
No Lynch: (1) hell hound
abstain: (4) Diana, Seon, Skooma, ATPGood
(votes after midnight don't count)
Did Not Vote: (8) (Joooray, Krill, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Winston Hughes , YLC)
Alive: (35/44)
Alexander the Pretty Good
ArpeggiateTHIS
Autolycus
Beefy187
Beskar
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
Double A
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
hell_hound
johnhughthom
Joooray
Khazaar
Krill
landlubber
merciary
Miotas
Nictel
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Renata
Rob_the_Celt
Secura
Seon
Skooma Addict
splitpersonality
Stuck in Pi
TheFlax
pevergreen
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Dead: (9/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Out of this Dimension: (1/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Begin Night Four
Night ends at 2359 today unless I don't get all orders in.
pevergreen
06-25-2010, 06:43
Pinman's last line should have been
I hope in heaven, they have....pastries!
seireikhaan
06-25-2010, 06:51
It was to allow me to prove my point, and if I failed, I "had my chance" and off I go. I proved my point and I was correct. Therefore, being correct, there is no point in killing me. At least untill the big bad is got rid off at least.
On the otherhand, you would have allowed him to kill me, then you would run around going "Pinmen is teh innocent" just because caused the death of someone having a scummy sounding name and who is not even a mafia.
Anyway, Star Fox knows who I am, allow him to handle me, no point in a lynch. Star Fox also knows where I stand.
Au contraire, I was and still am in favor of your proposal. If two people raise their yappers and claim dirt on each other, you kindly nuke them both off the face of space. And there is, in fact, reason to lynch you. You are neutral. Thus, you are not pro-town. Until more dirt is worked up on someone else, this leaves you as the best suspect.
But its nice that you think you know me.
Oh, and btw, its awfully irritating for you to whine about being lynched for your role name when you keep calling me palpatine. Keep it up.
Oh, and btw, its awfully irritating for you to whine about being lynched for your role name when you keep calling me palpatine. Keep it up.
It was the irony of the situation.
"Beskar has a scummy name, he must be the sith." - from Palpatine.
Also, it is pretty obvious from the write-up that Fox and Wolf are working together to defeat the mafia.
seireikhaan
06-25-2010, 06:58
It was the irony of the situation.
"Beskar has a scummy name, he must be the sith." - from Palpatine.
In otherwords, you clearly knew that the name meant nothing, except you kept pushing for my lynch based on that reason alone.
You don't pay attention, do you.
You don't pay attention, do you.
Where you miss the write-ups and posts which clearly say Town and Neutral (Cornerian and Vemons) are working together against the Big Bad and need eachother? Where in the Write-ups especially this last one, Wolf and Fox were clearly against the same enemy?
I am the one paying attention and look at what me paying attention has done, netted us a mafia.
I leave it at that. :bow:
Alexander the Pretty Good
06-25-2010, 07:29
Good kill, Beskar.
seireikhaan
06-25-2010, 07:32
Pizza has stated the writeups do not contain clues. I take him at his word. I repeat: You claimed neutral. Which is not town. With no other clear choices, you are the best. Further, there's some questions I'll raise in the morning about your reveal that don't quite make sense, atm. Gonna get some sleep first.
Sorry for not having the intimate knowledge of game structure that having "the best investigative" ability in the game imbues, as you put it. But honestly, I've been a bit more attentive to my officer role in Subo's game, and plus, this whole setup goes a bit over my head. Never played a Star Fox game. :shrug: Plus, I am and probably will remain one of the world's worst vanilla townspeople.
pevergreen
06-25-2010, 07:37
Plus, I am and probably will remain one of the world's worst vanilla townspeople.
You volunteering to take over the reigns? The two former champions may get jealous. Then again, there is probably a third champion by now, I need to recheck the tally.
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2010, 07:37
YLC did not vote twice in a row
Winston did not vote twice in a row
Split did not vote twice in a row
Rob did not vote twice in a row
Nictel did not vote twice in a row
merciary did not vote twice in a row
One more consecutive no-vote gets a WOG. Did I overlook any of your votes? Inform me.
Pizza has stated the writeups do not contain clues. I take him at his word. I repeat: You claimed neutral. Which is not town. With no other clear choices, you are the best. Further, there's some questions I'll raise in the morning about your reveal that don't quite make sense, atm. Gonna get some sleep first.
That isn't accurate, as the write-ups clearly point to the killer (void portal, etc) and who was attacked. Also, the part where pizza mentions the town and neutral are working together against the big bad is in the game rules themselves. The "neutral" are just a 2nd town faction, but Pizza is mainly writing it all from the Cornerian angle.
Also, if the write-ups are completely non-related, then how is it that it was Wolf that killed the Mafia? Which seemingly makes light my contributions in the phrase to get a mafia lynched.
Sorry for not having the intimate knowledge of game structure that having "the best investigative" ability in the game imbues, as you put it. But honestly, I've been a bit more attentive to my officer role in Subo's game, and plus, this whole setup goes a bit over my head. Never played a Star Fox game. :shrug: Plus, I am and probably will remain one of the world's worst vanilla townspeople.
Understood. It is because of that "best investigative" ability is how I deduced that he is either Star Fox or the Mafia straight away. The only reason I considered a "truce" was because I thought he might have been Star Fox, and he was willing to allow me to investigate him tonight. It was thanks to Starfox team (namely Romanic) who pretty much said "he isn't one of us", is why I made sure I pushed my case forward. I think this is pretty clear I have no ill intentions towards Starfox or the town in general.
Also, credit goes to TheFlax as well. he shouldn't be left out. :bow:
I will state it here for the record Yasei, both the town (Cornerians) and second town (Venomians) both require the Big Bad dead as their victory condition to win. If the Big Bad is dead, we all get a victory. If the Big Bad wins, we all lose, regardless of Cornerian or Venomian. Venomians are only called "neutral" for lore reasons, as Pizza is writing it from the angle of the Cornerians. In games such as StarFox Assualt, both Star Fox, Wolf, Cornerians and Venomians worked together against the "Big Bad". This sort of union has happened in lore at numerous occasions in games.
Best way to sum it up. Corneria is the USA, Venom is the USSR, and the Big Bad is the Third Reich. Just like in that conflict, two sides who disagree (USA and Russia) work together to defeat the Big Bad (Germany)
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2010, 07:51
Pizza has stated the writeups do not contain clues. I take him at his word.
I've noticed some controversy over this, and argument. Perhaps I should make myself clear.
What I mean by this is.... I had a practice of placing cryptic clues in my writeups which could be found.... if you're really imaginative.... and use that to solve the game instead of standard mafia accusation/solving tactics. Examples: My early Simpsons games and Psycho games and Futurama games and so forth. As recently as the Snatcher, the writeups indicated something unusual about the game, or Psycho II, there were subtle messages embedded in my games. However... as nice as that idea is, and the flavor it gives to my games, I also realize that it could become the main focus of a game, and any crazy, off-the-wall theory about the way I word things or the numbers I mention suddenly mean anything you want it to mean. Then no one focuses on the scummy behavior of the mafia. Worse, if I make the puzzle too simple to solve, then there's no challenge, and possibly unfair on the mafia.
As such, I'm phasing out such things in my games. I want everyone to have a fair chance. Those kinds of clues might be better in some other kind of game.
What you might call clues, could be simply facts about the game.
If someone is killing in a certain manner, that might be a signature. If they die, no more of that signature. So, that's the only "clue".... but that's no different from any other game. If a certain kind of murder disappears, then you could call it a clue, but I'd just call it a natural extension of the lack of there being a scumbag murdering someone.
Apparently my definition of clue conflicts with other peoples. I am not saying there's NOTHING to glean from the writeups, only that they aren't necessary to read and do not contain hidden messages or special clues. It might contain facts, but it might also contain misleading information.
So, it's not a reliable source of information. Therefore, it isn't a clue.
YLC did not vote twice in a row
Winston did not vote twice in a row
Split did not vote twice in a row
Rob did not vote twice in a row
Nictel did not vote twice in a row
merciary did not vote twice in a row
:whip: Don't do a Johnhughthom on us.
Apparently my definition of clue conflicts with other peoples. I am not saying there's NOTHING to glean from the writeups, only that they aren't necessary to read and do not contain hidden messages or special clues. It might contain facts, but it might also contain misleading information.
So, it's not a reliable source of information. Therefore, it isn't a clue.
No way! I don't believe it! (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/wolf-nowway.wav)
Renata (to not get Wog'ed)
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2010, 10:02
@-Krill
5. Minimum level of participation:
If you do not vote three rounds in a row, you will be sent out of this dimension by the angry, wrathful hand of God, and will be removed from the game and will automatically finish with the lowest possible score and rank dead last. This can be averted under extenuating circumstances by contacting me and letting me know why you will be inactive and when you will be back. I may still be forced to replace you temporarily.
6. Voting procedure:
If you wish to vote to lynch someone, post Vote: Askthepizzaguy
If you wish to vote for someone new, post Unvote, vote: Sasaki Kojiro
If you do not BOLD your vote, it does not count.
If you do not unvote your previous vote, your new vote does not count.
If you edit a post with your vote in it, the vote still counts.
However, if you edit your post to change your vote, you WILL be removed from the game. Do not edit your votes. Make a new post. You can edit other parts of your post, but not the vote part.
I should also mention that voting during night phases doesn't count towards either any lynch, nor towards your activity.
Double A
06-25-2010, 11:41
Pizza has stated the writeups do not contain clues. I take him at his word. I repeat: You claimed neutral. Which is not town. With no other clear choices, you are the best. Further, there's some questions I'll raise in the morning about your reveal that don't quite make sense, atm. Gonna get some sleep first.
Sorry for not having the intimate knowledge of game structure that having "the best investigative" ability in the game imbues, as you put it. But honestly, I've been a bit more attentive to my officer role in Subo's game, and plus, this whole setup goes a bit over my head. Never played a Star Fox game. :shrug: Plus, I am and probably will remain one of the world's worst vanilla townspeople.
You volunteering to take over the reigns? The two former champions may get jealous. Then again, there is probably a third champion by now, I need to recheck the tally.
:stare:
Askthepizzaguy
06-25-2010, 13:30
Obviously, lots of people understood this, and either abstained, no lynched, etc, with possible Bad guys and clueless fools, claiming I was some anti-town role.
News in Thread: Beskar nails Mafia-scum, in spite of dunces trying to prevent him.
You don't want to wear a dunce hat for a 3rd time, do you?
Unless you make it clear this is roleplaying, I'm issuing a warning to tone it down, Beskar.
Remember the gameroom rules
3. Friendliness. Be nice to our new and old players. We should also strive to help new players feel welcome. Words or comments like n00b are specially frowned upon.
5. Role playing is fun, but make sure your co-players understand you are acting.
And the rules for playing this game, repeat:
13. Sportsmanship, player etiquette, having fun:
* Don't do personal attacks. You can criticize strategy or suggest people are guilty. Don't call them dumb, or anything similar.
Criticize ideas and strategy, do not criticize people in this way.
pevergreen
06-25-2010, 15:39
:stare:
Hmm?
Don't worry, you aren't one of the three former champions.
Two of them are my countrymen...
johnhughthom
06-25-2010, 17:07
:whip: Don't do a Johnhughthom on us.
You what?
You what?
:laugh4: End up getting wogged and replaced, and them end up being the mafia godfather.
Cultured Drizzt fan
06-25-2010, 17:19
Gah why does everything important go on when I take a night away from the computer?
johnhughthom
06-25-2010, 17:23
:laugh4: End up getting wogged and replaced, and them end up being the mafia godfather.
That's not how it happened, it was my charitable gesture for the year. Two godfather roles at the same time was pretty selfish. :greedy:
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Rob_64.jpg Rob64: Falco's ship is under maintenance (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/rob-falmaint.wav). Slippy's ship is still out of range.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Falcohead.gif
Hey man! Be careful with my ship! Don't give it to an amateur like Fox. :smug2:
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2010, 01:26
Calling all replacement players and standard roles who have died:
I will need to replace several people shortly. Let me know privately if you're still interested in playing
Pinman, you dirty liar, you. I would have never thought you had it in you.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Yeah, I can't say it with a straight face.
Beskar, unless you're implying that was an investigation result on Pinman, the credit does not go to Star Wolf for outing him, but rather to Romanic, for contriving to find a way to let me know where to look for mafia without actually breaking the rules, and Flax, for following up on the lead in a way that made sense to people. :bow:
> START SIMILARY ANALYSIS SOFTWARE....
> Please enter first data file.
What in the name of vivisection was that? > DATA ACCEPTED.
> Please enter second data file.
Pinman, you dirty liar, you. I would have never thought you had it in you.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Yeah, I can't say it with a straight face.
> DATA ACCEPTED.
> RUNNING ANALYSIS....
> RESULT: *top secret* :laugh4:
Beskar, unless you're implying that was an investigation result on Pinman, the credit does not go to Star Wolf for outing him, but rather to Romanic, for contriving to find a way to let me know where to look for mafia without actually breaking the rules, and Flax, for following up on the lead in a way that made sense to people. :bow:
Flax gets a lot of credit, Romanic does for complying with answering my question, I voted originally picking up on his scum tells independently and had to overturn a kitchen sink.
You didn't participate much.
As for me where what? Voting and not unvoting you after encouraging a lynch of Pinman at the start of the day? I could say I was on the Duquesne Incline at the time, but really I just feel like making myself look scummy. See, even Romanic picked up on it.
How about we drop the arguments about who gets credit and nab another scumbag? :wink:
As for me where what? Voting and not unvoting you after encouraging a lynch of Pinman at the start of the day? I could say I was on the Duquesne Incline at the time, but really I just feel like making myself look scummy. See, even Romanic picked up on it.
:annoyed:
As in.... Romanic is so bad, he can't usually pick a scum tell, but this one was so blatant that even he, was able to find it?
:laugh4:
Beefy187
06-26-2010, 04:29
Lets give a clap to Pinman for a WIFOM well done :bow:
And Beskar seeing through the trap and successfully lynch a baddie :bow:
.....hmph.
Good job, Beskar. I guess you don't suck so much after all.
Though I'll be surprised if you survive the night now.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2010, 05:01
Those of you waiting for the writeup, don't bother! I will need extra time to find replacement players and so forth, and was busy. The writeup would have been way late anyway.
(Some peace of mind for those who wanted to see it right away)
Though I'll be surprised if you survive the night now.
I will be honest, I will be surprised too.
Sshhh Renata..... they'll never believe me again.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2010, 09:33
Night Phase Four
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Solar.jpg
Solar- Red Dwarf Star
Another "for fun only" video. It has no bearing on the story. For background music, click the music link below this video instead.
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Great_fox.jpg
Romanic woke up in the medical bay of the Great Fox, being attended to by Rob64.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Falcohead.gif Romanic: Wha.... what happened? Last thing I knew, I was about to be turned into a fried chicken. How did I get here?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Rob_64-2.jpg Rob64: I was able to locate Falco's damaged Arwing using the Great Fox's scanners. Your medical condition is OK.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Falcohead.gif Romanic: How's the Arwing? Is it salvageable?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Rob_64-2.jpg Rob64: Falco's ship is in the docking bay.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Falcohead.gif Romanic: Good. I'm anxious to get back to flying, and show these monkeys who's boss!
_______________________________
Yaropolk's ship was drifting far off-course due to his navigational system shorting out from solar flare activity. Long-range sensors detected a squadron of fighters leaving Aquas, so Yaropolk tried to cut directly across the star system and head for Macbeth. The shortest route to get there was passing by the dwarf star, Solar, the smaller of the two stars in the binary Lylat star system. He sent out a distress call to planet Katina, informing him of his trouble.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64-1.jpg Yaropolk: Blue 3 to Katina base... I'm having some trouble with my navigational system. I'm going to attempt to reach Macbeth and rejoin my squadron.
Yaropolk noticed that the squadron of fighters were heading directly for his position, so he pulled his craft closer to the star, hoping to mask his signature in the star's atmosphere. His ship's outer hull temperature began to climb, reaching temperatures exceeding the design limit. His sensor array overloaded, and his aerofoils began to melt and contort in shape. There was no way to tell if the fighters had passed yet or not, but there wasn't time to wait and find out. He piloted his craft away from the star's surface, and began to break free....
Suddenly, a solar flare erupted from the star, and a wave of highly charged particles and extremely hot energetic plasma pushed the damaged craft away from the star, nearly crippling the ship in the process. Just outside the stellar atmosphere, a large vortex was forming, of the same size and type observed previously. From within the gravity well, a group of missiles emerged, heading straight for the hot, desert world of Titania, the planet in close orbit around Solar.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64-1.jpg Yaropolk: Blue 3 to Titania, if you can hear me, there are missiles incoming. Titania, do you read me?
Yaropolk got no response. His little craft was unable to escape from the gravity well, and was crushed by the immense forces inside, just as the phenomenon collapsed.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/worm_hole.png
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64-1.jpg Yaropolk: I never even got to host the Spider's Webbbbbbbbbb!!!! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127975-The-Spider-s-Web)
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg
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PHASE COMPLETE
SHIPS DESTROYED: 1
Yaropolk- Cornerian fighter
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/64_Cornerian_fighter.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Rob_64-2.jpg Rob64: Maintenance complete on Falco's ship. (http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/rob-fal-maint-comp.wav)
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_arwing2.jpg
Alive: (35/44)
Alexander the Pretty Good
ArpeggiateTHIS
Autolycus
Beefy187
Beskar
choxorn- Replacing splitpersonality
civplayah- Replacing Winston Hughes
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
Double A
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
hell_hound
johnhughthom
Joooray
Khazaar
Krill
landlubber
merciary
Miotas
Nictel
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Renata
Rob_the_Celt
Romanic- OK!
Secura
Seon
Skooma Addict
Stuck in Pi
TheFlax
pevergreen
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
YLC
Dead: (9/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Out of this Dimension: (1/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Begin Day Five
Day ends at 2359 June 27th (GMT-5:00) Eastern US time.
Warning: I need votes from certain players or they WILL be replaced.
Double A
06-26-2010, 09:53
YAY! Falco's back! I'm so happy!
pevergreen
06-26-2010, 09:59
Time for a little payback, as Falco would say.
johnhughthom
06-26-2010, 10:33
:cheerleader:
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-26-2010, 11:09
YAY! Falco's back! I'm so happy!
+1 there, that ship is awesome.
Congratulations Falco. :bow:
What, it was the night phase? Bah. this game isn't fitting in well with my night shifts...
Krill is worthless, we should vote for him unless anyone else has some decent leads?
If you really want to leave, I will vote: Krill until Falco can bring any news of a better target.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Falcohead.gif I guess it wasn't bird season yet. Thanks Rob64!
Did you miss me Fox? :laugh4:
Skooma Addict
06-26-2010, 18:37
@ Krill...
If I'm not mistaken, this is the second time you've tried to get yourself lynched, the first time you admittedly said you were lurking and should be voted off. I could be wrong, but my joker senses are tingling....
I could be wrong, but my joker senses are tingling....
Pizza dislikes Joker roles, and stated in his G.A.Y topic that he wasn't likely to include one in a future game:
I don't do Joker roles.
Anymore.
Not unless there's something actually interesting about them. And there almost never is.
At least, that's my interpretation of it. :3
Frozen In Ice
06-26-2010, 19:46
What is a joker role? I've never heard of something like that before.
johnhughthom
06-26-2010, 19:56
What is a joker role? I've never heard of something like that before.
Deliberately tries to get voted off.
Deliberately tries to get voted off.
Actually, in the historical sense. When you vote off a joker, everyone who voted for them dies. Though because it is incredibly easy to play as Joker, it also makes it incredibly lame. Sometimes, they are included in other games, where they just have to get lynched, however, if you get that role, you are pretty much have to sit out the game.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2010, 22:17
Winston Hughes is dropping from the game due to RL reasons, and is being replaced by civplayah
Splitpersonality has been inactive since the beginning, and is being replaced by choxorn
Anyone who is on the WOG list and does not vote this round will be replaced by: Chaotix, Psychonaut, shlin28, and possibly Yaropolk if necessary.
I've never seen such terrible inactivity in a game.... :no:
Love your write-ups, pizza. Also, I will once again try to be more active.
I'm wondering why Beskar hasn't been attacked last night? Also does the return of Falco mean we have a resurrection role?
autolycus
06-26-2010, 22:38
The return of Falco means we either have a resurrection role, or that Falco had a delayed immunity to being killed. As to why Beskar hasn't been attacked, my guess would be because the big bad thinks we're decently likely to lynch him. Any way, I find hell hound's no lynch vote yesterday exceedingly strange.
Vote: hell hound
Winston Hughes is dropping from the game due to RL reasons, and is being replaced by civplayah
Splitpersonality has been inactive since the beginning, and is being replaced by choxorn
Anyone who is on the WOG list and does not vote this round will be replaced by: Chaotix, Psychonaut, shlin28, and possibly Yaropolk if necessary.
I've never seen such terrible inactivity in a game.... :no:
Didn't a few of the recent large games at CFC have bad inactivity?
Anyway, Hi everyone, I have ressurected as somebody else. Luckily for Winston, he's leaving, and I'm not CCRunner, so I won't be the end of him. :laugh4:
Beefy187
06-26-2010, 23:16
The return of Falco means we either have a resurrection role, or that Falco had a delayed immunity to being killed. As to why Beskar hasn't been attacked, my guess would be because the big bad thinks we're decently likely to lynch him. Any way, I find hell hound's no lynch vote yesterday exceedingly strange.
Vote: hell hound
It seems that we have Rob64 and he can ressurect according to the write up.
I think it is more of a protection, with a delayed revival, since Rob64 was in the other write-up with Falco. Either way, it is good news that Falco is around. :yes:
hell_hound
06-26-2010, 23:43
The return of Falco means we either have a resurrection role, or that Falco had a delayed immunity to being killed. As to why Beskar hasn't been attacked, my guess would be because the big bad thinks we're decently likely to lynch him. Any way, I find hell hound's no lynch vote yesterday exceedingly strange.
Vote: hell hound
As I stated when I voted I did not want stuck in pi to be lynched for being inactive when he wasn't, nor did I want a scanner or another power role to be killed so it was a rather futile attempt to prevent that. However later pinman was called out rather convincingly and I would have switched my vote if the wasn't a conflict in time zones. Having seen me on CFC (although I have hardly made myself known) you should have realised by now I am a cautious player.
pevergreen
06-27-2010, 04:06
I think it is more of a protection, with a delayed revival, since Rob64 was in the other write-up with Falco. Either way, it is good news that Falco is around. :yes:
I'd say it was a one time thing for the base 4 star fox team.
ATPG: Seamus had to WoG 11 people in 1 day phase IIRC.
Diana Abnoba
06-27-2010, 04:29
Yeah, Falco is back! It does look like to me, that there is a revival role. Hope it is not just a one time thing.
@ Krill
If it is really as hard as you state to keep up with this game, then ask Pizza to replace you, if he can. I can understand to some extent, I also work nights.
Nightbringer
06-27-2010, 05:10
asking to be voted for sounds like your trying to deflect attention. if you really didnt want to play why not ask to be replaced?
vote:krill
and if im wrong, youre just getting your wish XD
I say vote for Beskar.
Falco is in contact with Fox, no?
So unless Romanic tells us that Beskar is ok, we should vote for him.
EDIT: @Beskar's last post
If I were to take my best guess as to the nature of Falco's revival, I'd say that Team Star Fox has a limited number of "spare Arwings" that they can use to keep reviving their team members. That would be the closest to the actual game, anyway, and that's the kind of vibe I got from ROB giving him a new ship. ROB may not even be an actual player.
Double A
06-27-2010, 07:34
(that's not ROB. The only games ROB's in is some obscure thing on the N64, and Brawl)
I say vote for Beskar.
Falco is in contact with Fox, no?
So unless Romanic tells us that Beskar is ok, we should vote for him.
EDIT: @Beskar's last post
If I were to take my best guess as to the nature of Falco's revival, I'd say that Team Star Fox has a limited number of "spare Arwings" that they can use to keep reviving their team members. That would be the closest to the actual game, anyway, and that's the kind of vibe I got from ROB giving him a new ship. ROB may not even be an actual player.
- Yes, I am in contact with Fox.
- I was revived, but I'm not sure about the game mechanism.
- Beskar is a gray area. It's up for debate if we should lynch him or not. I'm not vouching for him, but I'm not sure he's a good lynch either. He's Star Fox's competitor so it would make sense that his goal will conflict with Fox's at some point.
Death is yonder
06-27-2010, 10:11
Vote: pevergreen
I find his behavior during the previous round where we had Pinman vs Beskar quite odd.
First we have some random (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2512415&viewfull=1#post2512415) talk about Beefy being scared, then a fairly sensible course of action which was to lynch Beskar first because Pinman claimed and Beskar had not yet.
Five posts later, and suddenly he changes his stance to a purely anti-Beskar one, with an odd comment. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2512454&viewfull=1#post2512454)
Even more confusingly, he then changes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2513136&viewfull=1#post2513136) his stance even further, to just purely (Beskar is definitely scummy)
To top it off, merely two posts later he says (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2513140&viewfull=1#post2513140) something random in opposition to Pinman, and then votes Pinman.
:huh:
Explain yourself pever, what I'm seeing here is an attempt to remain objective followed by a sudden shift towards lynching Beskar once it appeared Pinman had more credibility, then vote lynching Pinman (going against your stance entirely once again) after it was virtually certain that he would be lynched.
Double A
06-27-2010, 10:33
Oh I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE
- Yes, I am in contact with Fox.
- I was revived, but I'm not sure about the game mechanism.
- Beskar is a gray area. It's up for debate if we should lynch him or not. I'm not vouching for him, but I'm not sure he's a good lynch either. He's Star Fox's competitor so it would make sense that his goal will conflict with Fox's at some point.
I investigated Beskar with my neutrality scanner, and yes, he does show up as neutral. So he's not evil. As in mafia.
This has been your morning Slippy Toad announcement
Where the heck is everybody?
Flax, who else was on my list o' suspicion besides Pinman? I'm sure there were more interesting candidates than Seon, whose only crime thus far is basically non-existence (though he also voted WEW late), but I'm too tired to go look.
vote: Seon
I wouldn't cry if Beskar got lynched at this point, because he's irritating me and he's neutral, but I have no idea if it would be the right thing to do.
Double A
06-27-2010, 12:45
I don't know. It's been 2 hours since I roleclaimed as Slippy, and not a single freaking reply.
Maybe they're all at the Church of Pizza?
Guess so. But speaking of your roleclaim:
1. It was already obvious that Beskar is not mafia. He's star wolf or on the star wolf team, who must be related to the Venomians in some fashion and hence are pretty much by definition neutral. (Though that may change, and they're probably killing out to kill good Cornerians regardless, blahblah.)
2. Now that you're alive again, Romanic, can you comment on the value of a "neutral investigator" in terms of finding actual mafia? The comments I reported from you the other day suggest the mafia may scan as neutral regardless.
Double A
06-27-2010, 12:52
I don't know if we're on the same page, but I can scan to see if someone's neutral or not neutral. Worthless? Probably.
I think we are: it seems what Romanic said relates directly to abilities like yours -- that the mafia (along with Venomians) would be returned as "neutral" with an ability like yours, not as "not neutral". I'd like him to clarify, though, since he can.
Are you yourself a townie?
Double A
06-27-2010, 13:03
Slippy is on Team Star Fox, is he not? :tongue:
And if I were a joker (like I thought Slippy would be pre-game), I would have been dead a long time ago.
Don't ask me, I never played this game.
Double A
06-27-2010, 13:22
I haven't either, all my knowledge of Star Fox comes from Super Smash Bros Melee and random tidbits I've picked up over the Internet.
DELETE_THIS
06-27-2010, 14:01
Slippy always needs saving. He's like a big flying target :p
I wouldn't cry if Beskar got lynched at this point, because he's irritating me
Don't be sandy.
Though that may change, and they're probably killing out to kill good Cornerians regardless, blahblah.
Haven't killed you, have I?
pevergreen
06-27-2010, 15:09
Vote: pevergreen
I find his behavior during the previous round where we had Pinman vs Beskar quite odd.
First we have some random (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2512415&viewfull=1#post2512415) talk about Beefy being scared, then a fairly sensible course of action which was to lynch Beskar first because Pinman claimed and Beskar had not yet.
Five posts later, and suddenly he changes his stance to a purely anti-Beskar one, with an odd comment. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2512454&viewfull=1#post2512454)
Even more confusingly, he then changes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2513136&viewfull=1#post2513136) his stance even further, to just purely (Beskar is definitely scummy)
To top it off, merely two posts later he says (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2513140&viewfull=1#post2513140) something random in opposition to Pinman, and then votes Pinman.
:huh:
Explain yourself pever, what I'm seeing here is an attempt to remain objective followed by a sudden shift towards lynching Beskar once it appeared Pinman had more credibility, then vote lynching Pinman (going against your stance entirely once again) after it was virtually certain that he would be lynched.
Beefy was acting weird, I pointed it out so it wasn't missed. Beefy skates through.
Odd comment: Beskar was panicking. Contacting various people out of thread, talking up his case to me via steam. We don't often talk via steam, so it was unusual. He didn't want to be lynched. He was constantly on my case on the lead up to the lynch, wanting me to vote. I was busy buying & checking out stuff in the steam sale.
No change on my stance there, just a recap of what happened which is just an excuse to show those pictures. Common practice for me there, post as an excuse to throw a joke out. Some people know where thats from, some dont. Its definately not from in game.
Then the vote on Pinman was because he thought Wolf killed Fox's father. Plus he roleclaims as Andros servant. Rather kill that one then Wolf than the other way around...
Oh I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE
Peppy is bag of something turtle something? :wink:
Edit: On Slippy:
Hes the newbie of the team. Plus the annoying one.
Common phrases from Slippy: "WOAH! HELP ME!" In one of the paths, he gets pimp slapped by a boss and you have to go rescue him. His voice is often irritating.
I played Lylat Wars. To non Pal regions, that is Star Fox 64 on the Nintendo 64. ATPG thought he was original with the game name. :wink:
Spoiler: ATPG may use this in a future writeup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUrZaEjvrWA
Skooma Addict
06-27-2010, 16:04
Beefy's been acting suspicious and overly cautious this entire game. Whenever I have a hunch about the beefy monster it's usually right. Oh yess my bovine friend, Skooma's watching you. :afro:
@ Double A
It figures you'd be slippy. *sigh*
It's interesting that you guys consider this poor activity. If we had this level of commitment at the .net it would probably give us wet dreams...I think I have found my new home. :smitten:
spam^^^
Edit: On Slippy:
Hes the newbie of the team. Plus the annoying one.
Trust Romanic to be right, "Slippy gives me such a headache".
Haven't killed you, have I?
So you admit I'm a good Cornerian? :beam:
Where the heck is everybody?
Sorry, I'm having a busy weekend. :embarassed:
Flax, who else was on my list o' suspicion besides Pinman? I'm sure there were more interesting candidates than Seon, whose only crime thus far is basically non-existence (though he also voted WEW late), but I'm too tired to go look.
vote: Seon
We talked about Romanic but, hmm, yeah, I don't think that's worth pursuing now. :clown:
So you admit I'm a good Cornerian? :beam:
Perhaps not good, but a Cornerian nevertheless. :tongue:
No reason for you to vote for me to be lynched.
Heh. Nope. Nothing like a good murder with death reveal to clarify that pesky "pro-town or mafia?" conundrum. I know I mentioned other people, though. I'm just too stupidly cranky today to put any effort into anything. Oh well, Seon's as good a vote as any. How about joining me?
Heh. Nope. Nothing like a good murder with death reveal to clarify that pesky "pro-town or mafia?" conundrum. I know I mentioned other people, though. I'm just too stupidly cranky today to put any effort into anything. Oh well, Seon's as good a vote as any. How about joining me?
Alright, I definitely don't have better leads at the moment.
Vote: Seon
I think we are: it seems what Romanic said relates directly to abilities like yours -- that the mafia (along with Venomians) would be returned as "neutral" with an ability like yours, not as "not neutral". Are you yourself a townie?
Actually, I think his ability is more helpful then that. It identifies Star Wolf and Venomians. However, Starfox, Cornerians and Mafia will be returned as "non-neutral".
(that's not ROB. The only games ROB's in is some obscure thing on the N64, and Brawl)
Actually it is ROB. Not the same ROB from Brawl, you are correct in that sense, but he is still a robot named ROB. His full name is ROB64.
You should know that, Slippy. You built him, after all.
Don't question me when it comes to Nintendo... :clown:
Vote:Seon, if we don't have any other leads we should probably get rid of an inactive or two.
2. Now that you're alive again, Romanic, can you comment on the value of a "neutral investigator" in terms of finding actual mafia? The comments I reported from you the other day suggest the mafia may scan as neutral regardless.
A neutral scanner is as useful as he would be in another mafia game, i.e. Confirmed neutrals are not mafia. (you knew that :laugh4:)
As for mafia scanning as neutral, I don't know. The private talk we had before I died was me trying to see your disposition towards neutral, and trying to understand if Venomians should be considered as enemies. I was thinking (and still am) that Venomians are somewhat dangerous because of the possibility that they can turn against us eventually, based on what we read from their standard role PM.
^ The above is just my opinion and I don't have any privy knowledge that Venomians are enemies. As everyone, I am trying to figure this out, just like the Star Wolf team, Venomians have an unclear status.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2010, 20:27
8.5 more hours until the deadline, with ever so many heads on the WOG chopping block, it makes me squee (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Squee).
vote: Beefy, I agree with Skooma, he looks cautious with his votes. I'm not too convinced about that vote, but it's all I have.
40 hours in and we have only eight votes. :embarassed:
3 Seon (choxorn, Renata, Flax)
2 Krill (Beskar, Nightbringer)
1 hell_hound (autolycus)
1 pevergreen (DiY)
1 Beefy (Romanic)
*warning: My last tally was wrong. Use this one at your own risk. I did it very quickly.
ArpeggiateTHIS
06-27-2010, 22:07
I'll go with Romanic on this one.
Vote: Beefy
Not sure about either vote, only had time for a superficial scan through the thread.
Renata has proven right in the past, so I'll Vote: Seon.
johnhughthom
06-27-2010, 22:15
I must follow my heart.
Vote: Beefy
Oh come on now, I am hardly inactive. I mean, I admit that I am damn outright weird, but that doesn't make me evil!
Vote: Krill
DELETE_THIS
06-27-2010, 22:36
Hmm I'll just flip a coin: Vote: Beefy
Unvote; Vote: Beefy187
He was doing bad fishing attempts on the first night, so it might be a good idea.
Skooma Addict
06-27-2010, 22:45
Figures I'd be late to my own vote train. Vote: Beefy Monster
vote: Beefy, I agree with Skooma, he looks cautious with his votes. I'm not too convinced about that vote, but it's all I have.
Not to mention he eased off pinman late in that day period, but I too am mostly going on my skooma senses. I would like to hear from him though.
hell_hound
06-27-2010, 23:06
Vote:abstain I am still alive and I will read through everything tomorrow when I get the chance :)
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2010, 23:46
Looks at WOG list again
I am sharpening up my meat cleaver....
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