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Nightbringer
07-23-2010, 22:35
Nightbringer: Frozen (only), WEW (third), WEW (middle), WEW (only), Krill (first), Abstain, Khazaar (last), WEW (first), ATPGood (second), Chaotix (middle)
Consistent, but confusing as all hell. Why the focus on WEW???
The confusing is probably due to me being new and not being confident about voting for most of the game. The focus on WEW is because right in the beginning of the game he did a couple of things that made me see him as very scummy. He was doing a lot of bandwagon jumping and i can't remember what else exactly. Probably not the greatest of reasons but it has just made me very suspicious of him ever since, leading to me being quick to believe cases against him.
civplayah
07-23-2010, 23:47
So, after the analysis by Psychonaut, I've decided to reveal my role PM.
"Stick to the pond, froggie!"
—Oikonny to Slippy Toad
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew.jpg
Andrew Oikonny
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Andrew
Andrew Oikonny (アンドリュー・オイッコニー, Andoryū Oikkonī) , usually called only by his surname, is the nephew of Andross. In Star Fox 64, Oikonny flies with Star Wolf and primarily goes after Slippy Toad in battles against the Star Fox team for unknown reasons, possibly a rivalry that started over superior intellect in the past. Oikonny was originally supposed to appear in Star Fox 2 as Algy. His first official appearance was in Star Fox 64, where he was a part of Star Wolf. He would always attack Slippy as his first target. When shot down, he would usually yell "Uncle Andross!" Oikonny appears with the rest of Star Wolf in the missions Fichina or Bolse Defense Station. He is also seen in the "back entrance" to Venom where Star Wolf gets new ships. Andrew isn't heard from again until Star Fox Assault, where he has taken control of the remains of Andross's fleet and declared war on Corneria. After plowing through his fleet and chasing all across Fortuna, Oikonny transforms his ship into what Falco calls an "Andross Wannabe" that is soon destroyed by an Aparoid. Oikonny survives and returns in Star Fox Command as an ally to the Anglars piloting the Death Crab. He is then defeated once again by Fox and his team.
Name: Winston Hughes
Role: Andrew Oikonny
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (Neutral, for now...)
Personal Objective: General Pepper must die! His death is your personal goal.
Ability: You are immune to most investigations.
"Give it up! You can't win!" - You are immune to most investigations.
Team Star Wolf:
The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.
The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.
Quicktopic: Not going to link to this
Partners:
Once again, not going to spoil information.
Ship: Wolfen
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move. There's a bounty on your head, and when this crisis is over, the Cornerian Army WILL be gunning for you.
If you have any questions please contact me. If you cannot handle this role for any reason let me know, and I'll find another reserve player. :bow:
Nightbringer
07-23-2010, 23:55
So, after the analysis by Psychonaut, I've decided to reveal my role PM.
Well, this LOOKS legitimate, although the ability being stated twice seems king of odd. Can a member of star wolf confirm this?
I'm sure you'd like another Star Wolf member to confirm that, so that you know who they are. Oh, and you're going to need the third remaining member to confirm them, aren't you?
Gimme a break. Star Wolf, can you kill this guy tonight, please? kthxbye.
Nightbringer
07-24-2010, 00:26
I'm sure you'd like another Star Wolf member to confirm that, so that you know who they are. Oh, and you're going to need the third remaining member to confirm them, aren't you?
Gimme a break. Star Wolf, can you kill this guy tonight, please? kthxbye.
What? I meant secura. we all know she is a member of star wolf. I just don't want to be tricked by a fake role pm. I guess if no one counter claims we can be sure of his authenticity.
wideyedwanderer
07-24-2010, 01:26
The confusing is probably due to me being new and not being confident about voting for most of the game. The focus on WEW is because right in the beginning of the game he did a couple of things that made me see him as very scummy. He was doing a lot of bandwagon jumping and i can't remember what else exactly. Probably not the greatest of reasons but it has just made me very suspicious of him ever since, leading to me being quick to believe cases against him.
Uh...no. I didn't do any bandwagon jumping. At all. You can take a look at my past posts if you like. What made me "suspicious" to some people is that I pretty much said that I didn't like Venomians, since I thought they would side with the mafia. (I was wrong.) Cornerians saw that and believed me to be an outspoken Cornerian, while Venomians saw that and just didn't like it. Why the need to make things up, Nightbringer?
Silly time to reveal. Why would you reveal now and give yourself up for a night kill. Star Wolf members aren't going to reveal themselves to confirm or deny, that'd be suicide. Why would a Star Wolf member need to be immune from investigation.?
Nightbringer
07-24-2010, 07:14
Uh...no. I didn't do any bandwagon jumping. At all. You can take a look at my past posts if you like. What made me "suspicious" to some people is that I pretty much said that I didn't like Venomians, since I thought they would side with the mafia. (I was wrong.) Cornerians saw that and believed me to be an outspoken Cornerian, while Venomians saw that and just didn't like it. Why the need to make things up, Nightbringer?
I distinctly remember you voting for someone for the sole reason that your friend did. And i think the cornarian anti venomian thing was the part i dont remember
oh wait, by going back and finding their post, i now see that i thought you were saying something you were actually quoting, well thats my main reason for mistrusting you from th estart down the drain.
here are the posts
I'm with john on this. Unvote; Vote:Wideyedwanderer
Way to follow john and vote for someone without providing any reasons, while making yourself look suspicious, coming out of the shadows, hardly posting at all. Once civplayah is lynched we have a lot of other people to vote for.
i cant trust anyone that just votes with their friend, smells of team star wolf to me.
vote:Wideyedwanderer
I can't believe how stupid that was of me. i even thoguht star wolf were the badguys back then. of course, i think that is my second post in a mafia game, but its just kind of funny to look back on and see how badly i failed
you did also do some bandwagoning, like the early one on civplayer
That sounds suspicious to me. Vote: civplayah
Nightbringer
07-24-2010, 07:17
Silly time to reveal. Why would you reveal now and give yourself up for a night kill. Star Wolf members aren't going to reveal themselves to confirm or deny, that'd be suicide. Why would a Star Wolf member need to be immune from investigation.?
Thats why i was asking for a confirmation or denial, it just seems like a kind of odd reveal. youre right about revealing making them targets though.
Askthepizzaguy
07-24-2010, 07:30
I have all of the orders from everyone, and I have the writeups ready to post. If there's no objections, I will post the writeups now.
Askthepizzaguy
07-24-2010, 07:43
Night Phase Twelve- Part I
ALTERCATION
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Death Gate- Androssian Construct
This video is for fun only, but it shows what the Death Gate looks like.
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: There it is.... this must be the base that Andross has constructed over the star's magnetic pole. The star's magnetic field acts as a nearly impenetrable force field; our cruisers are not equipped with the kind of magnetic shielding it would take to survive in there. The Cornerian fleet cannot continue, so we need you to go on alone. A smaller, more durable craft might be able to generate a field large enough that envelops the entire ship safely.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: ....It would polarize our navigational deflector, short out our guidance systems, overload our sensor arrays, destabilize our shield matrix, and fry our targeting computers. However, we would still be able to steer our ships, navigate by sight, and shoot manually. We'd have to avoid taking too many hits, but we can do it.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* I've got an even more advanced ship, so it should be a piece of cake. That reward's as good as mine!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: What could possibly go wrong??? We're Star Panther! We're not afraid of some magnetic field.... send us on our way, General.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: If your mission succeeds, you'll be pardoned by the Cornerian government, be awarded enough Cornerian credits to retire in luxury, and granted territory on any of the planets in the Lylat system still controlled by Corneria. Good luck..... I never thought I'd say this, but you are our last, best hope.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Finally, the appreciation we deserve! My lifetime of thieving, scum, and villainy has finally paid off... just like I knew it always would.... *oink!*
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: We're heading in. Make sure that Andross doesn't get any reinforcements. I don't have time to watch my six while I'm in there.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Nothing gets in or out of that base until you come back alive. We'll be covering you; you have my word. Good luck, Caroso, Dengar.... Oikonny.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: We don't need help anyway. I am the great Andrew. Watch and you might learn something, doggie!
The Cornerian fleet waited behind while Star Panther, consisting of Panther Caroso, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar, attempted to penetrate the force field barriers on the outside of the construct. There were six energy towers, protected by heavily shielded Androssian drone fighters, and at the center of the construct seemed to be a massive gateway, protected by a vast array of shield generators, ion cannons, and even more drone fighters in reserve. The space outside of the construct was filled with energetic plasma carried by intense solar winds, flares and prominences, and extreme magnetic fields. Even the relatively protected area around the construct was a war zone, with all of the automated defenses in place. The approach would not be easy, but Star Panther seemed undaunted by the challenge.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* Just like old times, Andrew old pal....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: These fighter drones are no match for us!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Easy to outmaneuver... they haven't built a computer yet that can fly better than me. But their ships are heavily shielded.... my blasters can't penetrate it.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Here, let me try mine! ....*oink* No good, I can't break through. Let's try it together, Delta formation.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: I'm in position.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Fire on my mark.... ready, set, mark.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Invader_3.jpghttps://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Invader_3.jpghttps://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Invader_3.jpg
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The three Wolfen ships concentrated their firepower, and overloaded the enemy fighter group's shield grid. The force of the blow caused the drones to scatter, some of them impacting the energy towers, others crashing into the gate itself.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: That's it, we've still got it! Okay, how about those energy towers?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Bow before the great Andrew.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: We'll take them down with one shot each, on my mark.....
The Panther team easily took down the 6 energy towers, which cut power to the Gate's shield generator. The force field began disappearing....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: We did it! But there's more fighters approaching fast, coming out of the gate....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: I'm not afraid of them!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: We're going to break through that squadron, and meet inside. Let's get going....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Wait a second. There's something else emerging from the gate.... they're massive....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Shogundroid.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: Ah ah ah.... you didn't say the magic word! :smartass:
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Gorgon-1.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: We are the gatekeepers.... are you the keymasters? :wiseguy:
The Shogun and The Gorgon appeared from within the Gate, and immediately began chasing after Panther Caroso with mech droids flanking and missiles launching. A missile exploded directly behind Panther himself, sending him flying toward the edge of the satellite, toward the dangerous radiance of the star below them.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Perhaps today.... IS a good day to die!!
Alive: (9/44)
Autolycus
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
Khazaar
Nightbringer
TheFlax
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
Dead: (32/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
Out of this Dimension: (7/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.
Replacements:
Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC
No more replacement players.
:book:
Askthepizzaguy
07-24-2010, 07:47
Night Phase Twelve- Part II
TRIBULATION
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Death Gate- Androssian Construct
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: What's wrong? Is that it? ...These guys are too easy!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Gorgon-1.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: I'll make sure you NEVER reach Andross!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Panther? Are you okay???
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: My anti-matter reactor is about to go critical... they've dealt a mortal wound. I'll do what I can.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: We've got to keep going, Pig. You're not flaking out on us, are you?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: These freaks are awfully cocky if they think they could defeat the great Andross with just two ships.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: Aww.... did the little kitty hurt its paw? Come here and let me kiss it... I'll make the pain go away PERMANENTLY!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: My incredible skills are wasted on these amateurs!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Amateurs!? *growl* That's it.... you've gone and pissed me off now.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: This wannabe doesn't seem to know who he's messing with.... That's Panther Caroso, leader of our veteran mercenary team. He's even got a custom ship. Who the hell are you? Don't you realize that your sole purpose is to be cannon fodder, to be utterly annihilated by better men flying better ships? You think you're some badass? You don't even have a name tag! You've got no chance.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: Soon enough you'll know my name, pig boy.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Pigma, Andrew, aim for the shield.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: What? Why the shield?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: We can destroy it if we concentrate our firepower. Once the shield is gone, we can hit his plasma gun and he'll be defenseless.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: I'm on it. When I'm through with mech for brains, I'll sell the scrap and make a fortune! *oink*
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Confirming.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: What the heck are these guys thinking? Aiming right for my shield? This thing is made out of triple-reinforced duranium-carbon alloy. You'll never get through this.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Don't count on it. I just upgraded this ship with the latest forced-pulse lithium ion hyper blasters. *oink*
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Fire on my mark........ three, two, one, MARK.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
*ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP*
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: What the heck?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: These guys are crazy.... I'll shoot 'em down.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: The shield is gone.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: I'm done playing. I don't need a shield... I just need you guys DEAD!!! Dodge this, fools!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: I'm hit again..... get back guys, my reactor is about to go critical.....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: No! Get away!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/creations-explosion-troyes-france-6.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: No! SHOGUN!!! I can't see a thing, my view screen just overloaded! I'll just have to fire blindly.... DIE DIE DIE!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Now's our chance.... we've got to try to enter the Core.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: I think we should stay and defeat the Gorgon.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: We don't have time to discuss it. Andross has nearly wiped us all out, and we've gotta stop him, or I won't get my reward! Now you'll follow orders or you can pack up your little ship and go home.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: .....Very well. Lead the way, pig.
Pigma Dengar and Andrew Oikonny flew into the wormhole being generated at the center of the Death Gate. Now they would begin their final showdown with Andross.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/worm_hole-1.png
THE CORE
Alive: (8/44)
Autolycus
civplayah
Diana Abnoba
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
Dead: (33/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Out of this Dimension: (7/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.
Replacements:
Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC
No more replacement players.
:book: :book:
Askthepizzaguy
07-24-2010, 07:57
Night Phase Twelve- Part III
CONFRONTATION
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/worm_hole-1.png
THE CORE
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Pigma Dengar and Andrew Oikonny flew down the center of the wormhole, directly into the CORE of the supermassive star, Lylat. It was within the star itself that Andross was able to generate the kind of power needed to fold space and project his endless supply of missiles at the targets of the Lylat System. The wormhole was reinforced by Anti-gravity generator rings, powered by the star's own intense polar magnetic field. The wormhole lead all the way to the center of the star, where Andross made his stronghold. Within the star itself, and with total control over the orbital Gate, Andross was invincible.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: I knew Andross was crazy, even though he always paid pretty well. I just didn't think he was this crazy. This entire place is one giant deathtrap!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Uncle Andross.... he's not crazy, he's a genius. Why couldn't WE have a hideout this brilliantly designed?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* Are you kidding me? If anything happens to the Gate generator, or if the force fields keeping the Core from collapsing go offline for any reason, this place will be crushed by the force of over 100 solar masses! Only Andross could come up with a base of operations this unstable. Andross is an insane fool.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Maybe he's just far, far more clever than you.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: SHUT UP! Don't speak to your superior that way. I'm the leader, and from now on, you'll refer to me as Star Pig!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: So be it, pig.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: There he is.... I spot Andross up ahead. Let's finish this fool and claim our reward! *oink*
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/andross-1-1.png
Andross
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: I've been waiting for you, Star Pig.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: I'm fashionably late I guess. Are you prepared for the kind of death you've earned, you pathetic Donkey Kong rip-off?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: You know that I control the galaxy.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: This is going to be excellent... I can't wait to see the look on his big fat face when I destroy him.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: It's foolish to come against me.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: These recycled lines are getting tiresome. Shut up and fight already! *oink* Andrew, aim for the eyes..... ATTACK!!!!
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Play from start until 2:57
(you might need to hit play, then pause, and wait for it to load.... it loads slowly)
Click for theme music
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: HAH HAH HAH.... YOU CAN NEVER DEFEAT ME!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Clever, I haven't heard THAT one before. Come on gorilla boy, hit me!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: You'll never defeat me, "Uncle Andross".
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: He's firing his force-lightning-ripoff thing. You can't beat me with that, I've got a better ship!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Those tin cans are no match for me.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: OW! I'm hit.... do you realize how much this ship costs!? I'll make you pay for that, chimpy.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: YARRRGGHHH..... OOOOOOHHHHHH......
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: What's the matter, monkey boy? Can't hit my ship without your hands, can you?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: He's going to suck us in, along with all the rocks and debris in this chamber! Look out, Pig!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: I've seen him do this before. Choke on a Pigma bomb, rock sucker!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/creations-explosion-troyes-france-6.jpg
KABOOOM!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_android.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: YEAH!!! WE DID IT!!! *oink* ......wait a minute, that's not Andross.... it's some kind of decoy.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Cleverer and cleverer.....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_android-1.jpg Android: CRUSH PIG.... CRUSH PIG.... CRUSH PIG....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: I'm gonna bust you up REAL good.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_android-1.jpg Android: REACTOR OVERLOAD......
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Well that's that. Now, where's Andross?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64a.png Andrew...: Only I have the brains to rule Lylat...
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: You've gotta be pulling my tail.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64a.png Andrew...: NOW you will feel TRUE pain....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* It was you??? It was you all along??? THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64a.png Andrew...: YOU WILL DIE, JUST LIKE ALL YOUR FRIENDS!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen2.jpg
*SMASH*
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: My BEAUTIFUL REWARD!!! AGGGHHHHHAHHAHHHHAAAAA.........
Alive: (1/44)
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny..... :evil:
Autolycus
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
Dead: (34/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
Out of this Dimension: (7/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.
Replacements:
Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC
No more replacement players.
:skull: :skull: :skull:
EDIT: Reads above post
So, what just happened?
Askthepizzaguy
07-24-2010, 08:18
Night Phase Twelve- Part IV
REDEMPTION
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/worm_hole-1.png
THE CORE
silence.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: Don't ever give up, my friend...
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: James? What are you doing here? You're supposed to be dead!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: Focus on the mission.... you're our only hope.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: I can't.... my ship's damaged.... my cockpit is on fire. I can't see anything.... *oink* I won't even be able to hit back, I'll be shooting blind!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: Trust your instincts....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: *cough, cough* All right.... I'll give it one last shot....
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64a.png Andross: It's over.... Star Fox is no more... the Cornerian fleet is lost... and you will not survive. There is no escape. All life in the galaxy belongs to me....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: I'm not leavin' without a fight... take THIS!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen2.jpg
*ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP*
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64a.png Andross: ARRGGGHHHH.... MY NEW FACE..... YOU'VE RUINED IT......
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Play from 3:15 until 7:40.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: So "Andrew", you show your TRUE form!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_brain.jpg
Andross: I told you already, many many times.... ONLY I HAVE THE BRAINS TO RULE LYLAT!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: Too bad McCloud isn't here to see you FAIL.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_brain-1.jpg Andross: You can't beat me.... I'm a genius.... the supreme form of life.... I'm doing your kind a favor and ending your short, miserable lives filled with pain and ignorance and suffering.... I WILL SAVE YOU FROM YOURSELVES.... BY ERADICATING YOU FROM EXISTENCE!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: I think I can see his eyes.... if I can take them out....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_brain-1.jpg Andross: ARRGGHHH..... My eyes.... the goggles do nothing!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: Oh SHOOT.... my shields are gone..... there's no way I'd be able to survive the magnetic field on my way out.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_brain-1.jpg Andross: Even if I die, you'll never escape. The wormhole will collapse, and the Core will be crushed by the star surrounding it. Your death is inevitable.... as is your failure.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: I think you've got that backwards, monkey brains. Say goodbye to your delusions of grandeur.... you're about to get Pigmatized!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_brain-1.jpg Andross: No.... I can't be defeated by you.... I WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!!! I ALWAYS SURVIVE!!! I AM ETERNAL!!! You can't stop what I've set in motion.... my dream of a superior primate race will happen! It is unavoidable.... and resistance is futile!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: Time to die, Andy.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_brain-1.jpg Andross: IF I GO DOWN, I'M TAKING THE LITTLE PIGGY WITH ME!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-3.jpg Pigma Dengar: My name is STAR PIG. I'll see you in hell.....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/creations-explosion-troyes-france-6.jpg
Click for theme
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PHASE COMPLETE
SHIPS DESTROYED: 4
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Shogundroid.jpg
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen2.jpg
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/andross-1-1.png
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: You've become so strong, Pigma.
Alive: (6/44)
Autolycus
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
Dead: (35/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
Out of this Dimension: (7/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.
Replacements:
Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC
No more replacement players.
BEGIN DAY THIRTEEN
The game still continues. You have over 48 hours to post and vote for who you think is still guilty. Round ends on 1159, July 26th, Eastern USA time. (GMT-5:00)
Splitpersonality
07-24-2010, 08:25
*Begins a slow clap*
Diana Abnoba
07-24-2010, 08:34
EDIT: Reads above post
So, what just happened?
I just kicked Andross' butt!!!! *oink* :laugh4:
pevergreen
07-24-2010, 08:34
Yeah, Star Wolf are completely innocent and for the town etc etc.
I wonder who is left?
Nightbringer
07-24-2010, 08:35
*Begins a slow clap*
clap clap clap
AWESOME writeup pizza
you had me really scared there right before the last one, i thought it was over.
HUZZAH!!! Andross is DEAD!
now we just have to root out gorgon and victory is ours!!!
btw, you went out like a true hero Diana/pigma, even if you didnt get your beautiful reward
Diana Abnoba
07-24-2010, 08:51
Lynch Khazaar now!!! Khazaar and Nightbringer are the only mafia left (both of them are venomian recruits).
We can win town, if all townies lynch Khazaar. Everyone MUST vote the same person, for us to win. This takes away their kill for tonight I'm thinking (being recruits they have to have 2 to make a kill). So townies if you do this, there shouldn't be any kills on the next night phase.
* feels so good to be able to really talk, it was driving me crazy keeping such a low profile*
Ha, we knew it... first Winston was lurky as hell (both in-thread and our QuickTopic), then civplayah replaced him and acted the exact same way.
Beskar and I had been thinking that we needed to take down Andrew for the past week or two, citing the whole Andrew-Andross connection... but it became difficult to voice such an opinion when he was privy to the QuickTopic and constantly watching it, and we were banned from private communication; t'was a really nice Pizza-twist to the game and quite a nice way to screw Star Wolf over. :P
I was also suspicious of TheFlax, considering we investigated him right at the start of the game; I think Beskar should have listened to Diana on that one, she had his card marked for the past few weeks, though it seems that once the net began to close in on the Androssian team, civplayah reported this to his cohorts and the Star Wolf cull began.
Town needs to read back through the thread, find the investigation results provided by Beskar and make the right decision; Star Wolf can't help anymore. :3
Death is yonder
07-24-2010, 11:54
Nicely done folks :bow:
Our late trust was not misplaced :wink:
autolycus
07-24-2010, 14:47
Diana, why do you think there are two left? Gorgon's the only one I see remaining based on write-ups. Regardless, if there are two left, I think you're right that they're almost certainly khazaar and nightbringer, and if there's one left, it's one of them. It's theoretically possible that WEW was converted night 1, but somehow I'm not betting on it. Nightbringer's obsession for a while with me not being in the game, when I showed up in over a third of the day write-ups tips the balance for me. If only one of he and Khazaar is Androssian, it's him.
vote:nightbringer
Good job Star Panther! :laugh4:
Let's go back again to the bad guys votes:
***
(living players are highlighted in red)
merciary/Chaotix : abstain, civplayah, no vote, no vote, no vote, hell_hound, Khazaar, wideyedwanderer, no vote, Beskar, Beskar, autolycus
Winston/civplayah: JHT, civplayah, no vote, no vote, Beefy, Khazaar, no vote, no vote, pevergreen, no vote, Chaotix
Pinman: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar
Skooma: Double A, civplayah, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, Miotas
TheFlax: no lynch, Renata, Krill, Pinman, Seon, Beefy, Khazaar, Diana, Krill, pevergreen, ATPGood, Chaotix
***
On Day 7, three Androssians, including Andross himself voted for Khazaar and the final tally was Frozen in Ice 10, Khazaar 6. That makes it unlikely that Khazaar was mafia on day 7, but it does not exclude the possibility that he was converted later.
Because of that, I see Nightbringer, the other Venomian left, as a better lynch target. I say vote Nightbringer.
Cultured Drizzt fan
07-24-2010, 15:40
Nightbringer can't be Gorgon people. Start off with Khazaar this round.
That is all. :bow:
Hmmm, Nightbringer was apparently scanned on Night 10 by Beskar and confirmed Venomian (see Post 1472 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2524358&viewfull=1#post2524358))
The first kill by Gorgon & Shogun also happened on Night 10, so I guess CDF is right. Nightbringer cannot be Gorgon.
autolycus
07-24-2010, 16:32
Ok, so if there's one left, it can't be Nightbringer, because he's not Gorgon. In order for wideyedwanderer to be bad, he'd have to either have been bad from the start or have been converted night 1, since he was non-neutral as of night 2. And Pinman was converted early in the game or started out bad, because we lynched him early. Seems clear enough. khazaar must have been converted after he was scanned as neutral (night 7)
unvote: vote: khazaar
Good job Star Panther! :laugh4:
Oy, we're still Star Wolf. :P
Cultured Drizzt fan
07-24-2010, 17:44
Oy, we're still Star Wolf. :P
:laugh4: Yeah guys, I was only leader for about one round before being nuked. I know Panther is awesome and everything, but you have to give credit to the real brains of our team. :wink:
wideyedwanderer
07-24-2010, 18:52
Lynch Khazaar now!!! Khazaar and Nightbringer are the only mafia left (both of them are venomian recruits).
We can win town, if all townies lynch Khazaar. Everyone MUST vote the same person, for us to win. This takes away their kill for tonight I'm thinking (being recruits they have to have 2 to make a kill). So townies if you do this, there shouldn't be any kills on the next night phase.
* feels so good to be able to really talk, it was driving me crazy keeping such a low profile*
Yes Mr. Star Pig sir. Sorry for doubting you earlier. Vote: Khazaar
Ok, so if there's one left, it can't be Nightbringer, because he's not Gorgon.
I think there's two Androssians left, don't be too quick to dismiss Nightbringer. It's not because we don't hear about them in the writeups that they are not around. Remember Rock Crusher (Skooma) was killed without killing anyone.
Nightbringer
07-24-2010, 20:23
I think there's two Androssians left, don't be too quick to dismiss Nightbringer. It's not because we don't hear about them in the writeups that they are not around. Remember Rock Crusher (Skooma) was killed without killing anyone.
Almost the entire game people have being calling me mafia. after being scanned as venomian i was trusted for all of one round. I realize people have been converted and that it is possible i am one of them but i just NEVER seem to get a break with being called scum. (although somehow im still alive, which makes it kind of fun XD). after the game is over can someone please tell me what i do that is SO scummy ALL the time
(im not at all upset, just kind of confused by it) :)
Askthepizzaguy
07-24-2010, 20:40
Oy, we're still Star Wolf. :P
You're both wrong.... now you're either Star Pig...
or star dust! :laugh4:
autolycus
07-24-2010, 21:27
I have decided that the best way to honour our fallen heroes is to emulate them. Henceforth, the Cornerian Defence Forces shall be known as Star Dog!!
Askthepizzaguy
07-24-2010, 21:36
Too bad the Anglars (http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Anglar) aren't here....
then we might have a group called Star Fish.
Diana Abnoba
07-24-2010, 21:38
Yes, funny honey, we are all Star Dust now.
Khazaar was converted earlier (like night 7) than Nightbringer (only 2 nights ago- night 10). They are the only venomians left, so the only ones recruited and converted. So just pick Khazaar today (all townies must vote only one, so mafia can't out vote the town), then, if I'm right, there shouldn't be any kills tonight, then lynch Nightbringer the next day phase, and we win.
there shouldn't be any kills tonight, then lynch Nightbringer the next day phase, and we win.
I think there could be one more kill left in these guys...
Diana Abnoba
07-24-2010, 21:51
We shall see, either way we need to lynch Khazaar today.
I said there was something off about his reveal. It just didn't make any real sense for a Star Wolf member to reveal themselves like that.
Almost the entire game people have being calling me mafia. after being scanned as venomian i was trusted for all of one round. I realize people have been converted and that it is possible i am one of them but i just NEVER seem to get a break with being called scum. (although somehow im still alive, which makes it kind of fun XD). after the game is over can someone please tell me what i do that is SO scummy ALL the time
(im not at all upset, just kind of confused by it) :)
I can't speak for others, but I never read you much scummy. I thought that you were member of Star Wolf for a while, until last night when the complete group was revealed.
Now it's not a matter of looking scummy or not, but simple logic. We know that General Pepper is protecting the Cornerians from being converted, so with 2 venomians left and probably 2 Androssians left, you are a prime suspect, and you would be even if you looked pro-town the whole game.
So. The lynch targets. Which is which?
Auto: remake20 (second), Nictel (only), shlin28 (third), Pinman (middle), hell_hound (only), Khazaar (only),
Frozen (third), ATPGood (third), Chaotix (middle)
Voted by Pinman once
Khazaar: remake (first), Beefy (second), GE (only), ArpeggiateTHIS (only), Double A (only), Diana (only), ATPGood (end)
Voted by Diana, both can't be Mafia. Voted by Auto, both can't be Mafia. Voted by Chaotix, decent innocence claim.
WEW: civplayah (middle), JHT (only), Pinman (second), Seon (end), Khazaar (third), landlubber (first), abstain, Beskar (second), Chaotix (middle)
Voted by Nightbringer, both can't be Mafia. VOTED BY ALL THREE MAFIA IN SAME ROUND. Voted Khazaar, both can't be Mafia.
I get the sense that Auto is lying. Venomian PMs have an ambiguous part alluding to their recruitability. Cornerian role PMs don't. Why would a single person protect the ENTIRE TOWN, in such a unusual way. Now, that said, ATPG's games aren't ordinary by any stretch of the imagination. Looking at the final three suspects. WEW is pretty much innocent. There's nothing much to it. And it's a 50/50 split between Auto and Khazaar. One of them is, the other ain't. My shogun blast technique worked last round. Spray some accusations and a couple will stick. This, this needs delicate hands.
Then again. Auto has been consistent. So if he was converted then there should be some subtle differences from day 10 onwards. Khazaar has logged in, today infact. But, hasn't posted here. Mafia sweating it or simple townie?
wideyedwanderer
07-24-2010, 22:17
I have decided that the best way to honour our fallen heroes is to emulate them. Henceforth, the Cornerian Defence Forces shall be known as Star Dog!!
Orders received, General Pepper. But there aren't too many of us left...
seireikhaan
07-24-2010, 22:39
Vote: Khazaar
Search of all Khazaar's Posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=3224494).
Now tell me this if you are Mafia looking to recruit who are you going to pick? An epic lurker like Khaz, who makes minimalistic posts like the above. Or someone with a bit of panache (no offence Kaz), like auto...
I think it's a fairly obvious choice here. We should be lynching auto, because he's lying. Skooma, Pinman and civplayah all made similar "plays" to try buy innocence. Pinman by claiming town investigator, civplayah by revealing his fake reveal during the night and Skooma, I forget what he did, but he tried something crafty too. So Auto's role claim fits in nicely with that style of play. Plus his reveal occurs when? Day 10, just after Gorgon appears.
He's full of it. We need to lynch Auto. Not Khaz. I place my honour on it. And here's my final bit of evidence. Shall we say the conclusion?
General pepper
Cornerian Defense Force
Why is "pepper" lower case? ATPG isn't that careless. He puts bucket loads of effort into his games, he's not going to leave a P for pepper uncapitalised. No. But, you know who would? Someone who needs to forge a role PM in a hurry. That's who.
auto is full of it. We lynch him today and it's done. Over. Finito. Va-va-voom. Bada-boom bada-bing. Eh. Eh. Yep.
Vote: autolycus
DO IT NOW! FOR ViCTORY AND FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE.
seireikhaan
07-24-2010, 23:01
Very well unvote, Vote: Autocylus
Diana are there one or two Mafia left? Gorgon and who?
I can't find this second Mafia. There must only be one, balance wise that makes sense. Any more than 5 Mafia would make this game unbalanced and ATPG is a stickler for balance.
Ugh. Must stop editing posts with votes in them. Can't have invalid posts at this critical stage.
Vote: autolycus
Cultured Drizzt fan
07-24-2010, 23:19
Diana are there one or two Mafia left? Gorgon and who?
I can't find this second Mafia. There must only be one, balance wise that makes sense. Any more than 5 Mafia would make this game unbalanced and ATPG is a stickler for balance.
If there is a second mafia, you guys might want to lynch Psychonaut. Especially if the attempt at getting the lynch off Khazaar works.
What are you doing Psychonaut?
We know that General Pepper is in the game, every character listed in the first post was! Why would they all be and not General Pepper?
If someone else was General Pepper, he would have counter-claimed. Autolycus *IS* General Pepper!
His role claim also makes sense: So far we have seen two converted venomians: TheFlax and Skooma, who were both scanned before turning Androssians. We know that it's possible to convert Venomians, and if Autolycus claims that he protects Cornerians from being converted, I think it's legit.
Plus his reveal occurs when? Day 10, just after Gorgon appears.
It occured on Day 10 because he was ahead of the tally and had to save himself. And that's BEFORE Gorgon appeared on Night 10, not after.
And the capital "P" argument... er, it's possible that ATPG made a mistake on a single character. That's not enough to claim the role is fake.
If we lynch the wrong guy, we can lose instantly (4-2 now, then 2-2 next day, we lose).
Are you ready to gamble the game on autolycus, when at least three members of Star Wolf/Fox are telling you to lynch Khazaar?
Very well unvote, Vote: Autocylus
khaan!!! :furious3:
Move your vote back to Khazaar please! Don't listen to Psychonaut's ramblings!
Now tell me this if you are Mafia looking to recruit who are you going to pick? An epic lurker like Khaz, who makes minimalistic posts like the above. Or someone with a bit of panache (no offence Kaz), like auto...
Andross tried to kill Frozen in Ice, who was already dead. You are making assumptions that the mafia would always do the best move, when it clears that they messed up at least once when they tried to kill Frozen In Ice.
The explanation to why Autolycus was not converted is simple, he cannot be converted because he's a Cornerian.
If Autolycus is not General Pepper, the guy who prevent Cornerians from being converted, then you are saying that all Cornerians could be converted? That's too easy, they would have converted Cornerians instead of Venomians, but we haven't seen any scanned Cornerians turn into mafia.
Why do you think they converted the way they did? civplayah knew who was scanned and what they were, from the Star Wolf team. They converted neutrals who were already scanned! TheFlax: scanned then converted. Skooma: scanned then converted.
Thus -> Khazaar, scanned and converted. Nightbringer, scanned and converted.
Otherwise they would have jumped at the possibility to convert YOU Psychonaut, or to convert khaan as you were both confirmed Cornerians, and you should have been prime targets to convert.
It didn't happen because autolycus protected you by being alive.
Lynch Khazaar or Nightbringer, please. I'd prefer Nightbringer, he's far more epically scummy, but there's already a bandwagon on Khazaar, so lynch him, please.
Star Whatever- Sorry we ever doubted you guys, thanks a bunch for taking down most of Andross in a few nights. Now let's finish this.
Also, Psycho, your vote analysis is very flawed. The bandwagon on Khazaar occured on day 7, and Double A scanned him Neutral the following Night. He certainly couldn't have been mafia then. When you think about it, it's a perfect decision, because they're converting not random Venomians, but people who have already been revealed in the thread to be Venomian, like Skooma, TheFlax, and Khazaar.
Also, Mafia vote for each other all the time. They rarely bandwagon other mafia, but still vote for each other. That one of them has voted for another doesn't prove or disprove anything.
Oh, and we knew Diana was in Star Wolf for ages, it was actually pretty obvious. :laugh4:
Why do you think they converted the way they did? civplayah knew who was scanned and what they were, from the Star Wolf team. They converted neutrals who were already scanned! TheFlax: scanned then converted. Skooma: scanned then converted.
That is exactly the case; we believe that Winston Hughes recruited Pinman within the first phase or two and then recruited Flaxy once Pinman had been lynched because Beskar had stated in the QuickTopic that Flaxy was neutral, and thus recruitable to Andross.
Unfortunately, everytime that Beskar proved someone's innocence and stated as such in our QT, this became known to the mafia who promptly recruited them; the thing is, you never suspect your masonic allies, particularly ones who have to be replaced by another player, to be the mafia godfather... we only began to consider such an outcome a few weeks ago. >.<
Lynch Khazaar or Nightbringer, please. I'd prefer Nightbringer, he's far more epically scummy, but there's already a bandwagon on Khazaar, so lynch him, please.
One today, the other tomorrow... simple.
they're converting not random Venomians, but people who have already been revealed in the thread to be Venomian, like Skooma, TheFlax, and Khazaar.
They're recruiting based upon Beskar's investigation results, mostly.
Oh, and we knew Diana was in Star Wolf for ages, it was actually pretty obvious. :laugh4:
Indeed, I felt it was glaringly obvious, but still did my upmost to defend her from a lynch; I lost my sole ability by recruiting her, and hadn't gone to all that effort to have her lynched for being a little bit lurky. :P
Yeah, I was thinking that too. While it was obvious for them to recruit based on Beskar's investigation results, it was probably better to recruit people already revealed in the thread as Venomians, because everyone, not just you guys, "knew" they were innocent.
Death is yonder
07-25-2010, 04:18
Andross tried to kill Frozen in Ice, who was already dead. You are making assumptions that the mafia would always do the best move, when it clears that they messed up at least once when they tried to kill Frozen In Ice.
The explanation to why Autolycus was not converted is simple, he cannot be converted because he's a Cornerian.
If Autolycus is not General Pepper, the guy who prevent Cornerians from being converted, then you are saying that all Cornerians could be converted? That's too easy, they would have converted Cornerians instead of Venomians, but we haven't seen any scanned Cornerians turn into mafia.
Why do you think they converted the way they did? civplayah knew who was scanned and what they were, from the Star Wolf team. They converted neutrals who were already scanned! TheFlax: scanned then converted. Skooma: scanned then converted.
Thus -> Khazaar, scanned and converted. Nightbringer, scanned and converted.
Otherwise they would have jumped at the possibility to convert YOU Psychonaut, or to convert khaan as you were both confirmed Cornerians, and you should have been prime targets to convert.
It didn't happen because autolycus protected you by being alive.
Psycho, I believe this post explains every single reason why we should not be lynching Auto today.
Instead, as mentioned, our attention should be targeted at either Khazaar or Nightbringer.
Khaan, you need to change your vote :stare:
A simple capitalization error isn't going to cut it for me for declaring that a role claim is fake.
Edit:
Following the line of recruitment with individuals revealed in thread as neutral,
I strongly believe that Khazaar was recruited and needs to die first this round.
seireikhaan
07-25-2010, 07:24
:thinking:
Unvote, vote: Khazaar
If there is a second mafia, you guys might want to lynch Psychonaut. Especially if the attempt at getting the lynch off Khazaar works.
Otherwise they would have jumped at the possibility to convert YOU Psychonaut, or to convert khaan as you were both confirmed Cornerians, and you should have been prime targets to convert.
It didn't happen because autolycus protected you by being alive.
You have to be kidding right. Being Cornerian means I can't be converted. Please don't muddy the waters. I've shotgun blasted a dead on Mafia with bells attached once already, so don't question my loyalties. I am making a legitimate case against auto here, because looking at the facts I come to that conclusion. If khaz is Gorgon I'll be very happy, but I just don't see it happening. Even after auto revealed Beskar thought him and Chaotix where most likely Mafia.
Andross tried to kill Frozen in Ice, who was already dead. You are making assumptions that the mafia would always do the best move, when it clears that they messed up at least once when they tried to kill Frozen In Ice.
Good point.
The explanation to why Autolycus was not converted is simple, he cannot be converted because he's a Cornerian.
He's never been scanned, we don't know what he is. He could quite simply be lying with a convenient cover.
If Autolycus is not General Pepper, the guy who prevent Cornerians from being converted, then you are saying that all Cornerians could be converted? That's too easy, they would have converted Cornerians instead of Venomians, but we haven't seen any scanned Cornerians turn into mafia.
No I'm saying the reverse. Cornerians can NEVER be recruited. If we could be that would affect game balance. And that means civplayah's investagative ability makes sense. To scan people to find viable recruits. The game balance would become all messed up if he could recruit willy-nilly.
Why do you think they converted the way they did? civplayah knew who was scanned and what they were, from the Star Wolf team. They converted neutrals who were already scanned! TheFlax: scanned then converted. Skooma: scanned then converted.
Thus -> Khazaar, scanned and converted. Nightbringer, scanned and converted.
Pinman could investigate. So what's not to say he investigated auto early on? Yes, they did do what you say there, and it makes sense turn the players the town think are innocent.
But, I'm looking at this from a game balance perspective. ATPG wouldn't make a game have neverending recruitment, because that is poor game balance. Even 6 Mafia is too much for a game of this size. 5 on the otherhand makes sense. We have 1 Mafia left if this game is balance correctly, which knowing ATPG it is.
Lynch Khazaar or Nightbringer, please. I'd prefer Nightbringer, he's far more epically scummy, but there's already a bandwagon on Khazaar, so lynch him, please.
Star Whatever- Sorry we ever doubted you guys, thanks a bunch for taking down most of Andross in a few nights. Now let's finish this.
Gorgon appeared the night he was scanned he can't be Gorgon. So we shouldn't be lynching Nightbringer.
ciyplayah's cover role. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2526673&viewfull=1#post2526673)
His personal goal is to kill General Pepper. Now, it would be nice to know, has that always been there, or did he simply add that last night to build up the image of auto's innocence. Food for thought.
Askthepizzaguy
07-25-2010, 11:30
:thinking:
Unvote, vote: Khazaar
I'll count this, but for my sanity's sake, I would request all votes not be in spoilers. It makes it difficult for me to make an accurate tally.
After this post, all votes in spoiler are illegal/not counted.
And that means civplayah's investagative ability makes sense.
What investigative ability? His cover role states that he's immune to most types of investigation, but there's no mention of an actual investigative ability in there. o_O
The game balance would become all messed up if he could recruit willy-nilly.
You're making a heavy assumption here, Psycho...
Pinman could investigate. So what's not to say he investigated auto early on?
Where is the proof that Pinman had investigative abilities? All I see is mafia making a desperate claim to try to remove one of their two greatest enemies, which in this case was Beskar/Wolf O'Donnell.
Pinman tried to make his investigator claim look stronger by taking some of Star Wolf's investigation results, such as our Venomian result for Flaxy, and approaching said players with "this is your alignment"... which obviously won some brownie points.
But, I'm looking at this from a game balance perspective. ATPG wouldn't make a game have neverending recruitment, because that is poor game balance.
Sigurd did this, though; the game was essentially prepped for a constant stream of Sith recruits and was always going to end up as a one vs. one situation... so what's to say that Andross wasn't able to recruit every few rounds or so?
After all, the town had Fox McCloud, Falco Lombardi, Peppy O'Hare, Slippy Toad, Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Panther Caruso, Pigma Dengar, Krystal, Bill Grey, Katt Munroe, Rob-64, General Pepper... a huge range of power roles against a lone mafia at the start of the game.
Again with the assumptions though... what was it that Sigurd said in his game when everyone was griping about the mechanics behind the Sith?
Don't make assumptions on mechanics until you know the full story.
I think that holds true here, too. :3
Fine. We're set then. I don't like this. This vote is too easy, which is usually an indication that we're on the wrong track and the Mafia(s) like the track we are heading down. Promise me yyou'll all eat the humble pie when it turns out that auto is guilty. :yes:
seireikhaan
07-25-2010, 13:48
'Pologies, ser Pizza. Fear I had a drink too many last night.
Death is yonder
07-25-2010, 14:21
Fine. We're set then. I don't like this. This vote is too easy, which is usually an indication that we're on the wrong track and the Mafia(s) like the track we are heading down. Promise me yyou'll all eat the humble pie when it turns out that auto is guilty. :yes:
We're working with probability here Psycho.
In all events, its:
More likely that with the nature of auto's role, a Venomian is the one we are looking for.
Take into account the fact that thanks to the mole in Star Wolf team, investigated neutrals who were publicly acknowledged were the ones who were recruited/guilty parties.
[Cue: Skooma Addict, TheFlax, etc]
Hence, currently we're more inclined to consider Khazaar as the remaining guilty party due to his links and similarities to the above.
Promise me yyou'll all eat the humble pie when it turns out that auto is guilty.
That won't be necessary. If it is, then well played by Auto. But as circumstances lie, there lies more benefits in lynching Khazaar rather than Autolycus.
On your suggestion that "pizza won't have made it this imbalanced". What's to say that instead Androssian team could only recruit once per few nights? What's to say that there's another mechanic that determines susceptibility. We don't know. I'm going to echo what Secura quoted from Sigurd. Its not up to us to guess the mechanics of the game, then successively apply it to claim that somebody is lying about their role claim.
I acknowledge it has a sense of plausibility, but, hypothetical logic at this point of the game is just not going to cut it.
This vote is too easy, which is usually an indication that we're on the wrong track and the Mafia(s) like the track we are heading down
Or that they are resigned to their fate/Unavailable due to RL circumstances, we'll never know now will we?
Lets stick to what we know shall we?
More likely that with the nature of auto's role, a Venomian is the one we are looking for.
Massive gap in your logic in that auto has never been scanned. We don't know if he is actually Venomian/Cornerian/Pepper. You are assuming he isn't lying, however, I am assuming he is. That's what this has come down to.
Death is yonder
07-25-2010, 16:15
I'm assuming he isn't lying because external circumstances, coupled with the nature of those recruited (100% Venomians, flawless record much?)
The fact that Autolycus claims to be a major roadblock in mafia attempts at recruiting Cornelians, and that every single recruited scum has been venomian gives a very strong boost to Autolycus's claims.
Why are you not noticing this Psycho?
He's never been scanned, we don't know what he is. He could quite simply be lying with a convenient cover.
That's right, autolycus has never been scanned but again, we know that General Pepper should be in the game (every other character from post #1 is). I don't see how autolycus couldn't be General Pepper.
Pinman could investigate. So what's not to say he investigated auto early on? Yes, they did do what you say there, and it makes sense turn the players the town think are innocent.
Pinman claimed investigative powers but he was very possibly lying. He knew that Beskar was Wolf because civplayah infiltrated Star Wolf from the start. He was lying about scanning Beskar, as he didn't have to scan him to know his alignment.
I think the Androssians never had a scanning ability and were relying on the results from Star Wolf.
Even 6 Mafia is too much for a game of this size. 5 on the otherhand makes sense. We have 1 Mafia left if this game is balance correctly, which knowing ATPG it is.
We've killed 5 mafiosi so far, so there's at least 6 of them anyway. 6 or even 7 mafia does not strike me as unbalanced with all the powers the townies had.
wideyedwanderer
07-25-2010, 17:16
Promise me yyou'll all eat the humble pie when it turns out that auto is guilty. :yes:
I'll eat any pie, as long as we win.:laugh3::cake:
We've killed 5 mafiosi so far, so there's at least 6 of them anyway. 6 or even 7 mafia does not strike me as unbalanced with all the powers the townies had.
That may be part of why he doubts that, he doesn't know how many powers Wolf and Fox had, as he wasn't in either group.
Nightbringer
07-25-2010, 21:23
Both sides are making good arguments here, but (sorry about this if i am right psycho) maybe psycho is the real general pepper and just doesnt want to reveal. This would explain a lot of things. He could indeed have some kind of ability to keep cornarians loyal that autocylus (if he is mafia) knew about through his own ability. This would go along with the general falseness of autolycus' role claim that i ananlyzed a while ago (ill post it again in a minute). While it is hard to just say that autolycus is mafia i dont think we should be so quick to dispel the possibility. I had similar suspicions a while ago but called flamed (called scum) pretty bad when i talked about it. I think this autolycus thing is worth considering.
The case against Khazaar is also strong though, although i don't think it needs restating by me.
Nightbringer
07-25-2010, 21:25
here is my analysis i posted a while ago, i edited out the parts about it being an unlikely role and ability because we know those are not the case now.
There are a few things about this role pm that strike me as very false. The first is the objective.The simple venomian objective of staying alive is written out much longer than this, and the word survive is bold. The objective of surviving is also not listed as a personal objective in either the venomian, or star wolf role pms.
This is a small change, that could just be due to inconsistent formating, but it draws suspicion in my opinion.
There is also no quicktopic html for the town power roles.
Finally, there is no sum up of objectives after the picture of the ship like for venomians and i suspect others.
While these format differences are subtle, I believe that ATPG would have used a template then filled in all the roles with that template. This role breaks that template and is also stated in briefer language in general, invalidating it in my opinion.
Not proof of a faked role pm I know, but Seon showed us it is possible to be convincing, so by looking at the details I don't think we should just buy into this.
Both sides are making good arguments here, but (sorry about this if i am right psycho) maybe psycho is the real general pepper and just doesnt want to reveal. This would explain a lot of things. He could indeed have some kind of ability to keep cornarians loyal that autocylus (if he is mafia) knew about through his own ability. This would go along with the general falseness of autolycus' role claim that i ananlyzed a while ago (ill post it again in a minute). While it is hard to just say that autolycus is mafia i dont think we should be so quick to dispel the possibility. I had similar suspicions a while ago but called flamed (called scum) pretty bad when i talked about it. I think this autolycus thing is worth considering.
Wrong, Psychonaut cannot be General Pepper or he would have claimed so already, at least this turn if not before. This turn is so crucial that hiding as General Pepper would do no good, and he would counterclaim to make sure we lynch the impostor.
On your analysis why autolycus' claim is false, you are picking weak arguments. It does not matter if the role PM was somewhat altered, as autolycus could have been changing text to protect something important. We know that Beskar did modify his role PM (hiding his vigilante ability), and he was on our side. Picking on small details does not change the fact that General Pepper is supposed to be in the game, that only one of us claimed to be him, and that he's likely to be on our side.
I'm reading a lot in your reluctance to cast a vote. You are waiting to see how things will develop, keeping the option to bus your partner, or to lynch autolycus.
Nightbringer
07-26-2010, 00:07
Wrong, Psychonaut cannot be General Pepper or he would have claimed so already, at least this turn if not before. This turn is so crucial that hiding as General Pepper would do no good, and he would counterclaim to make sure we lynch the impostor.
On your analysis why autolycus' claim is false, you are picking weak arguments. It does not matter if the role PM was somewhat altered, as autolycus could have been changing text to protect something important. We know that Beskar did modify his role PM (hiding his vigilante ability), and he was on our side. Picking on small details does not change the fact that General Pepper is supposed to be in the game, that only one of us claimed to be him, and that he's likely to be on our side.
I'm reading a lot in your reluctance to cast a vote. You are waiting to see how things will develop, keeping the option to bus your partner, or to lynch autolycus.
you mean my reluctance to vote khazaar, the person you want me to vote for. i genuinely see a strong argument being made by psychonaut, he has been leading us right for the past few turns and i trust him. i didn't vote because in the past i have been called scum for changing my vote when my opinion changes, so i am waiting until i am sure this time.
I just really don't want to screw up here at the end
Plus, no offense romantic, but you have led us wrong a number of times (including beefy, which was a situation very similar to this), i trust psychonaut's judgement more than yours at this point.
you mean my reluctance to vote khazaar, the person you want me to vote for.
Actually, you'll also find that Leon Powalski/Secura, Pigma Dengar/Diana and Panther Caruso/CDf have also called for Khazaar's lynch, and Wolf/Beskar would also be doing so if he wasn't banned from posting... essentially, the entirety of the neutral power role team that you professed to be aligned with calls for his lynch and you still say no? And then you moan that you look scummy?
It's actually quite funny and ironic, because Flaxy followed quite the pro-Wolf/Beskar line too, and look how that one turned out... mere coincidence? Hardly, methinks you adopted Flaxy's strategy for yourself, p'raps after he mentioned it or was complimented on it in your mafia QuickTopic?
i genuinely see a strong argument being made by psychonaut, he has been leading us right for the past few turns and i trust him.
To me, this appears to be an out-and-out lie, a deliberate attempt to flatter Psychonaut and gain favour with him so that he won't vote for you in the next day phase; the mafia knows that the town has to get the next two lynches right or they lose, and it doesn't take an expert at the game to assess that the mafia's best chance of victory lies with Psychonaut's indecision regarding the second mafia and their identity.
Plus, no offense romantic, but you have led us wrong a number of times (including beefy, which was a situation very similar to this), i trust psychonaut's judgement more than yours at this point.
Psychonaut was wrong about Star Wolf, and that's been a major distraction to the town for a considerable amount of the game; this is just more flattery.
Plus, no offense romantic, but you have led us wrong a number of times (including beefy, which was a situation very similar to this), i trust psychonaut's judgement more than yours at this point.
About lynching Beefy, that was a team decision from the Star Fox team, and I think a lot of people would have done the same if they were in our situation. Even Beefy admitted after being lynched that he would have done the same. You don't have enough information to judge this decision.
But btw, I don't lead, I give my opinion. People should read it and make their own opinion. Too many are blindly following instead of taking time to analyze by themselves and it's unfair to blame someone when he's not the one voting.
But in this case, I forgive you scum. It's a nice try to attack my judgment and promote Psychonaut's, however I note that after all these words, you still haven't voted one side or another.
But in this case, I forgive you scum. It's a nice try to attack my judgment and promote Psychonaut's, however I note that after all these words, you still haven't voted one side or another.
I think that your posts, coupled with my own, say everything that needs to be said, really... s'out of our hands, my feathered foe. :3
wideyedwanderer
07-26-2010, 00:44
Psychonaut was wrong about Star Wolf, and that's been a major distraction to the town for a considerable amount of the game; this is just more flattery.
Was this before or after Wolf brutally murdered Fox for his own personal gain? :P
Was this before or after Wolf brutally murdered Fox for his own personal gain? :P
At the time of his death, Choxorn was actually an entirely unknown quantity to us; we thought he was a lurker, possibly mafia. :3
Nightbringer
07-26-2010, 01:01
But btw, I don't lead, I give my opinion. People should read it and make their own opinion. Too many are blindly following instead of taking time to analyze by themselves and it's unfair to blame someone when he's not the one voting.
But then you criticize me for not voting when you tell me to. No, just to go by your statement of not blindly following and voting when told i am not going to vote yet.
I like to observe the arguments made, add in my own knowledge, then come to an informed decision once everyone has made their case. and if you look at my past, this is one ive done the entire game
(no hard feelings mate) :)
wideyedwanderer
07-26-2010, 05:42
At the time of his death, Choxorn was actually an entirely unknown quantity to us; we thought he was a lurker, possibly mafia. :3
Suuuuure, tell it to the judge. So instead of using Beskar's scanning ability, he decided to kill him?
Yeah, unless Beskar's ability specifically stated he had to kill every other night, I'm going to have to call him out on that as one of many moves he made throughout the game that made him look scummy.
Yeah, unless Beskar's ability specifically stated he had to kill every other night, I'm going to have to call him out on that as one of many moves he made throughout the game that made him look scummy.
My best bet would be they had personal goals to either kill Star Fox members or outlast them.
Suuuuure, tell it to the judge. So instead of using Beskar's scanning ability, he decided to kill him?
Right, because I have a need to lie when we're all dead, right? :P
Choxorn genuinely was an unknown quantity; when the writeup was published with Fox's death, Beskar was actually asleep and I text him to let him know that he'd seemingly vigged Fox. His response was a mixture of emotions, the main one actually being surprise because we had Choxxy down as either a disinterested vanilla or lurky mafia.
I often suggested investigation as the better of the two choices, mainly because I dislike vigilante kills for the inherent risk of killing power roles or townies (which is why they carry a penalty in my game if you get it wrong!) but there were occasions where Beskar preferred to take the advice of other players, such as Renata, rather than his own teammates... nothing that we can do about that, he's the one who submits his orders for the night, after all.
Yeah, unless Beskar's ability specifically stated he had to kill every other night, I'm going to have to call him out on that as one of many moves he made throughout the game that made him look scummy.
Beskar adopted that systematic killing style for whatever reason he chose, which I still have no idea about; I agree that he acted scummy and made bad choices, but I think the majority of the playerbase is guilty for that too, so it's really like the pot calling the kettle black.
You should probably save any further tirades you may have for when the game ends and Beskar is actually allowed to respond to you. :P
Askthepizzaguy
07-26-2010, 10:29
DAY PHASE THIRTEEN
6 1/2 hours remain.
I think I´m beeing used as the convenient scapegoat here. Mafia always knew that they could use me as a voteoff, it happened twice and it´s happening again. As I said before if you have no better target go ahead...
Vote: Autolycus
I think I´m beeing used as the convenient scapegoat here. Mafia always knew that they could use me as a voteoff, it happened twice and it´s happening again. As I said before if you have no better target go ahead...
Vote: Autolycus
Unvote, Vote: Khazaar
Not a very town like post.
Nightbringer
07-26-2010, 15:44
Unvote, Vote: Khazaar
Not a very town like post.
So we are going with khazaar?
okay, works for me, they are both scumbags in my eyes, who knows, maybe there are two mafia left and it is they, in any case i wont be sorry to see this guy go
vote: khazaar
Death is yonder
07-26-2010, 16:48
you mean my reluctance to vote khazaar, the person you want me to vote for. i genuinely see a strong argument being made by psychonaut, he has been leading us right for the past few turns and i trust him. i didn't vote because in the past i have been called scum for changing my vote when my opinion changes, so i am waiting until i am sure this time.
I just really don't want to screw up here at the end
Plus, no offense romantic, but you have led us wrong a number of times (including beefy, which was a situation very similar to this), i trust psychonaut's judgement more than yours at this point.
Romanic and Secura have said what needs to be said on the matter already, you should re-read it :bow:
If you don't trust Romanic, at least listen to Star Wolf team, or do you dispute their attempts at help with them removing 3+ Androssians.
But then you criticize me for not voting when you tell me to. No, just to go by your statement of not blindly following and voting when told i am not going to vote yet.
I like to observe the arguments made, add in my own knowledge, then come to an informed decision once everyone has made their case. and if you look at my past, this is one ive done the entire game
(no hard feelings mate) :)
There's no informed decision once everyone has made their case really, its all hypothetical and at this point of the game, I'll like to stress that the entire Fox and Wolf team is dead, and we've offered what assistance we are able to render without breaking rules, that should be enough for you :bow:
So we are going with khazaar?
okay, works for me, they are both scumbags in my eyes, who knows, maybe there are two mafia left and it is they, in any case i wont be sorry to see this guy go
vote: khazaar
I am very intrigued here with your near subservient status to Psychonaut's whims bordering on seemingly fake. Its like your a mafia looking for an excuse to change your vote to your buddy when its unavoidable. What do you have to say about this Nightbringer?
So we are going with khazaar?
And it took Psychonaut to persuade you? Come on Nightbringer, the Fox and Wolf team have already presented to you why its extremely plausible that Khazaar is the guilty party.
okay, works for me, they are both scumbags in my eyes
Right... so now your "plausibility" that Auto might be lying has changed into outright acknowledgment of his scumminess. I sense the fallacy of the appealing to popularity here.
So what is the rational behind your most curious actions as of late Master Nightbringer? :inquisitive:
Was nightbringer publicly verified as a likelier innocent? Or an unknown still.
Nightbringer
07-26-2010, 17:11
Romanic and Secura have said what needs to be said on the matter already, you should re-read it :bow:
They have, and I did, that was a while ago.
There's no informed decision once everyone has made their case really, its all hypothetical and at this point of the game, I'll like to stress that the entire Fox and Wolf team is dead, and we've offered what assistance we are able to render without breaking rules, that should be enough for you :bow:
After everyone has said what they think, more information is available, making any vote cast at that point more informed. And yes, star fox and star wolf have offered their assistance, and i have read it and value it, but i also wanted to hear what psychonaut had to say.
I am very intrigued here with your near subservient status to Psychonaut's whims bordering on seemingly fake. Its like your a mafia looking for an excuse to change your vote to your buddy when its unavoidable. What do you have to say about this Nightbringer?
I'm not being subservient, I am just acknowledging that the mutual town decision seems to be to vote for khazaar, why would i go with autolycus and give any remaining mafia a possible way out. We can't afford a split town vote at this critical time.
And I DID NOT CHANGE my vote, I was thoroughly criticized for not casting my vote yet earlier when I was not sure about my decision, so accusing me of changing it now is a open and shut case of damned if i do, damned if i don't. When, pray tell, am I supposed to vote. As soon as I get a whim about who to vote for, that way I can be blamed for switching my vote when I change my mind. Or maybe I should wait till I am convinced of something, but no, because not voting for a while makes me scum, and then I am still accused of changing my vote. Maybe I should just not vote, although I'm sure you will find a way to turn that against me as well.
unvote
And it took Psychonaut to persuade you? Come on Nightbringer, the Fox and Wolf team have already presented to you why its extremely plausible that Khazaar is the guilty party.
No, as I said, I just wanted to avoid a split vote. Of course I am going to vote khazaar when the town unanimously agrees on it. But what is so wrong with having not made up my mind when we were debating who to lynch. I am still of the opinion that autolycus is scum, but voting that would just be stupid right now.
And if I'm wrong, you can shove it in my face as much as you like.
Right... so now your "plausibility" that Auto might be lying has changed into outright acknowledgment of his scumminess. I sense the fallacy of the appealing to popularity here.
I considered it plausible a while ago, for the last few rounds I have considered auto scum and have posted as such. That is also the argument psycho was making. I aknowledge psycho a lot because he is a much more experienced player than myself and has been doing a very good job finding mafia in the last couple turns.
Was nightbringer publicly verified as a likelier innocent? Or an unknown still.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this, but it is obvious that I cannot be Gorgon, and that is the only remaining mafia, (unless someone has not appeared in write ups yet).
It was also publicly verified on round 10 I believe that I am a venomian. (by Beskar, through scanning)
I'm not mad or anything, I just think every post ever made in this game can be seen as scummy when looked at in the right way, and I've drawn the short straw of being on the list of people whose posts get seen that way due to in game circumstances. A lot of other people have gotten voted out for the same reason and turned out completely innocent (everyone except Pinman that was voted out for most of the game).
Anyway, since this is likely the end of the game, (or in the next couple of days), I just want to tell everyone I really have had a great time and this has been an awesome way to start playing mafia games. I look forward to playing more and hope I haven't made any lasting enemies (or people who just don't like me, nooo, please like me!!! ;)
XD
Nightbringer
07-26-2010, 17:12
no, not voting is too risky now, I am going to stick with my
vote: Khazaar
whether you like it or not DIY
:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
07-26-2010, 17:20
This round is over. I don't know why I am still awake, but the writeup will be delayed until I get sleep.
I'm going to be cruel and not reveal if Khazaar was guilty or not until the writeup, so there will be some suspense and/or something worth reading as opposed to old news.
Consider this the night phase, and send me your actions.
wideyedwanderer
07-26-2010, 18:52
Beskar adopted that systematic killing style for whatever reason he chose, which I still have no idea about; I agree that he acted scummy and made bad choices, but I think the majority of the playerbase is guilty for that too, so it's really like the pot calling the kettle black.
You should probably save any further tirades you may have for when the game ends and Beskar is actually allowed to respond to you. :P
Will do. :)
Was nightbringer publicly verified as a likelier innocent? Or an unknown still.
Unknown. He was scanned, but could have been converted.
Choxorn genuinely was an unknown quantity; when the writeup was published with Fox's death, Beskar was actually asleep and I text him to let him know that he'd seemingly vigged Fox. His response was a mixture of emotions, the main one actually being surprise because we had Choxxy down as either a disinterested vanilla or lurky mafia.
Like I usually do when I get a pro-town power role, I was trying to not look like a pro-town power role. I guess that worked. :laugh4:
I often suggested investigation as the better of the two choices, mainly because I dislike vigilante kills for the inherent risk of killing power roles or townies (which is why they carry a penalty in my game if you get it wrong!) but there were occasions where Beskar preferred to take the advice of other players, such as Renata, rather than his own teammates... nothing that we can do about that, he's the one who submits his orders for the night, after all.
Yes, silly Beskar, you have to be careful with vigilante kills or you might accidentally kill Krystal and Star Fox.
Beskar adopted that systematic killing style for whatever reason he chose, which I still have no idea about; I agree that he acted scummy and made bad choices, but I think the majority of the playerbase is guilty for that too, so it's really like the pot calling the kettle black.
I'll agree with you there. When I first started looking through voting patterns and thread posts for scummy-looking players around Night 6 or 7, I ended up with a really long list. It of course included the epic lurkers like miotas, pever, and hell hound. It also included several random semi-lurkers and bandwagoners like ATPGood, the entirety of both Star Wolf and the known Androssians (except maybe civplayah and Chaotix, they were too lurkery for me to really tell), and I probably would have suspected Star Fox members too if I didn't know them to be innocent. :laugh4:
You should probably save any further tirades you may have for when the game ends and Beskar is actually allowed to respond to you. :P
Good point.
Like I usually do when I get a pro-town power role, I was trying to not look like a pro-town power role. I guess that worked. :laugh4:
That was the entire reason that you were vigged, though. :P
Yes, silly Beskar, you have to be careful with vigilante kills or you might accidentally kill Krystal and Star Fox.
Krystal was a major letdown for us; Joooray had been acting scummy, I pointed it out and Beskar was supposed to investigate... however, I think it fell on a night where he was following the kill pattern and so Joooray was put to the sword instead.
T'was most unfortunate, and I'll be interested to see exactly what Krystal would have brought to Star Wolf beyond being another role for Andrew to tell his buddies about. >.<
I'll agree with you there. When I first started looking through voting patterns and thread posts for scummy-looking players around Night 6 or 7, I ended up with a really long list. It of course included the epic lurkers like miotas, pever, and hell hound. It also included several random semi-lurkers and bandwagoners like ATPGood, the entirety of both Star Wolf and the known Androssians (except maybe civplayah and Chaotix, they were too lurkery for me to really tell), and I probably would have suspected Star Fox members too if I didn't know them to be innocent. :laugh4:
It's been one of those games, really... I think that the town has done everything possible to hand victory over to the Androssians, and it really could go either way now.
Krystal was a major letdown for us; Joooray had been acting scummy, I pointed it out and Beskar was supposed to investigate... however, I think it fell on a night where he was following the kill pattern and so Joooray was put to the sword instead.
Yeah, that sucked. :shame:
I was hoping I was acting scummy enough to be investigated, not being killed. I really don't understand why it wasn't obvious I was acting the scum. My whole argument with you was pretty opposite of how I'd acted normally. :shrug:
That was the entire reason that you were vigged, though. :P
Nah, the reason I was vigged was that Beskar decided to follow the kill pattern. Most of the people he ended up vigging were a little scummy, but not to the point that he should have risked vigging them. Investigated, certainly. I would have preferred being investigated than vig-killed although Beskar certainly would have at least told civplayah who I was, and probably would have just revealed it in the thread at some point anyway.
Askthepizzaguy
07-27-2010, 06:33
Day Phase Thirteen
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64-1.jpg General Pepper: This is General Pepper calling all Cornerian units... we need your help! Defend Corneria from the enemy army!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: This is Blue 41, responding. My squadron is on it, General.... we won't let you down, sir.
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Stage Thirteen: Corneria
Good Luck!
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The remnants of the Cornerian Army returned home, only to find their homeworld under attack by the Androssian menace: Gorgon.
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: Those who cross Andross will die! The Androssian Empire will NEVER fall! Our leader will return, and when he does, you.... are.... DOOMED!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Blue unit, cover the base. Don't allow anything to get through! I'll be arriving down on the planet shortly.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Copy that, General. All wings target the tentacles, that should slow it down.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: I'm going to crush you... you annoying little flies.....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: We'll see about that. Okay guys, destroy the three energy balls, and the shield should collapse.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: How about.... this! HYPER BEAM!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Watch out, guys!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: Hold still and let me shoot you...
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: You're not taking him down today. All units: The shield is down, shoot the core!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: MY EMPEROR!!! I'VE FAILED YOU!!!!!
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Night Phase Thirteen
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Did we get 'em all?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: The eternal armies of Andross will never be defeated!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Granga.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: I'm going to take that as a no....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: Ahhh.... so THIS is Yaseikhaan. I've heard all about you.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Of course you have. I just wasted your boyfriend with my badass laser cannon. Sorry about the mess.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: Choke on my missiles, Khaan!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Woah.... I could use some help here guys.... hey, where's my backup?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: Ha ha ha.... seems your buddies have all flown the coop. The Cornerian Base belongs to Lord Andross now.... and I will present to him your miserable, burning carcass!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: You won't get very far without your legs....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: NOOOOO!!! You've ruined my beautiful mech.... right, I'll do you for that!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Sorry to disappoint, but I've already got a date.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: If it is the last thing I do, I'll make you bleed.... where do you think you're going?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: I'm going to get reinforcements. "Sit tight...." :laugh4:
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: Oh, you cocky little freak, you're not going anywhere.... fire the entire starboard battery!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Yipe!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: Not so smug anymore, huh?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/07.jpg Yaseikhaan: Something witty, something witty..... uh.... now Yasei me, now Yadon't? :sweatdrop:
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: :laugh4:
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Corneriaattacked.jpg
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Enemies destroyed: 1
Allies down: 1
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Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon (lynch)
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/64_Cornerian_fighter.jpg
Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot (murder)
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: Don't give up.... you're almost done.
Tally:
Khazaar: (5) Autolycus, WEW, Yaseikhaan, Psycho, Nightbringer
Auto: (1) Khazaar
Alive: (4/44)
Autolycus
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Dead: (37/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon
Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Out of this Dimension: (7/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.
Replacements:
Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC
No more replacement players.
Begin Day Fourteen. You have 48 hours from the start of this post.
Nightbringer
07-27-2010, 07:06
Well damn, I thought that was the last one, I guess we still have 1 last guy to go. He's an easy one though, and now he's got no legs!
Great writeup as always ATPG!
seireikhaan
07-27-2010, 07:10
Just to clarify, its day phase now again?
Askthepizzaguy
07-27-2010, 07:12
Just to clarify, its day phase now again?
That's correct. I combined the day and night writeups to save time.
Well we can safely say it can't be WEW, as he was scanned not neutral on N2, and all the starting Mafia are dead. So he can't be Granga. It can't be me as I'm Cornerian.
autolycus
07-27-2010, 07:20
Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer
Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer
Yep.
vote: nightbringer
Nightbringer
07-27-2010, 07:54
Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer
Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote:autolycus
Its time to finish this, scum. You've been riding a trail of trust ever since you made that fake role-claim as general pepper. I don't need to go over everything that makes it clear that the details are fake, as that has already been made clear to everyone.
The motivations for faking the claim are obvious, you are mafia.
You came up with the role of General Pepper based on info you had and because of some lucky guesses you made about the nature of this character.
You knew only venomians could be converted from your mafia quick-topic and used this to claim an ability that sounds reasonable, but is completely redundant because cornarians simply cannot be converted to begin with.
You chose general pepper because he appears to be a character in the game but he is not
The evidence of this is that General Pepper has not been taking part in actions, he has merely been advising Cornarians what to do. He is present in the write-ups, but in a very different way from all the other roles. Never have we seen the Bloodhound take part in the fighting, never has General Pepper blasted away at any ships or flown in with the team, he is just the voice in the background, much like James Wolf. Every other role in the game has taken some kind of direct action.
You took advantage of general peppers presence and guessed based on the factors above that he was an NPC, and so you took the role as your cover.
Now, lets analyze voting
Let's go back again to the bad guys votes:
***
(living players are highlighted in red)
merciary/Chaotix : abstain, civplayah, no vote, no vote, no vote, hell_hound, Khazaar, wideyedwanderer, no vote, Beskar, Beskar, autolycus
Winston/civplayah: JHT, civplayah, no vote, no vote, Beefy, Khazaar, no vote, no vote, pevergreen, no vote, Chaotix
Pinman: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar
Skooma: Double A, civplayah, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, Miotas
TheFlax: no lynch, Renata, Krill, Pinman, Seon, Beefy, Khazaar, Diana, Krill, pevergreen, ATPGood, Chaotix
***
We can see that the only times mafia voted for autolycus is when an irreversible bandwagon came down on them. With the safety of being the for sure lynch Pinman and Chaotix voted their undercover man autolycus to attempt to give him some credibility.
Here is autolycus voting history
[QUOTE=Psychonaut;2526578] A vote analysis would be useful to get a better prespective. Especially of the three confirmed Mafia.
Auto: remake20 (second), Nictel (only), shlin28 (third), Pinman (middle), hell_hound (only), Khazaar (only),
Frozen (third), ATPGood (third), Chaotix (middle)
ALSO: Voted by Pinman once
We can see that he has voted for Pinman, Khazaar, and Chaotix.
The chaotix and Pinman votes are irrelevant because they were bandwagoned so badly it didn't matter and all the mafia voted for them.
The Khazaar vote was during the Beeefy Bandwagon, which is odd, but perhaps he just wasn't paying attention.
More likely though, he was recently recruited, possibly right before his fake claim as general pepper.
In fact, he could have been recruited AT ANY TIME during the game because he was never scanned.
Here's a list of the scan status from Beskar's posts from yesterday:
Autolycus - ?Claimed General Pepper? - [COLOR=DarkOrange]Unscanned
I hope this isn't too full of typos and such, but I believe it can stand as proof to my loyal cornarian allies that auto is the scum we need to get rid of.
If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???
but it is certainly worse than just killing him now and ending this thing once and for all.
Well damn, I thought that was the last one, I guess we still have 1 last guy to go. He's an easy one though, and now he's got no legs!
Great writeup as always ATPG!
This post could not possibly be more scummy.
And no, you didn't think that was the last one, you knew that you were there, too.
Nightbringer
07-27-2010, 09:14
This post could not possibly be more scummy.
And no, you didn't think that was the last one, you knew that you were there, too.
I was just saying the writeup was good and making a lame joke about the last guy. and how would i have known there was another, he just appeared
ArpeggiateTHIS
07-27-2010, 11:34
It seems that Yaseik lost his mod status whilst flying around Corneria :laugh4:
[Retaliation! pew pew pew!]
If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???
The very same situation applies to you though.
Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer
Now is the time for a proper reveal of your role PM, auto; this is the final lynch of the game and it apparantly boils down to you or Nightbringer.
Anything you can provide that will help people decide would help, obviously.
ArpeggiateTHIS
07-27-2010, 12:03
It seems that Yaseik lost his mod status whilst flying around Corneria :laugh4:
[Retaliation! pew pew pew!]
Woah, that messed with my head! Didn't know you had THOSE kind of powers.
*ArpeggiateTHIS hereby claims no responsibility for anything said in his name. Ever. ....it was Yaseik :P*
[Yes, I have that power. I have all the power in the woooorld!]
seireikhaan
07-27-2010, 12:34
Good grief. Half of me still feels like autocylus is guilty, the role claim feels real off. But nightbringer's whole post reeked of guilty mafia trying to turn the lynch... I'd say lynch nightbringer. Thread behavior first and foremost, as Pizza said a long time ago, on a page far, far away. Also, going back and reading his earlier posts, especially around the 21st/22nd, he seemed to like reminding people he was "scanned venomian", even though he wasn't under any pressure.
autolycus
07-27-2010, 13:21
You chose general pepper because he appears to be a character in the game but he is not
The evidence of this is that General Pepper has not been taking part in actions, he has merely been advising Cornarians what to do. He is present in the write-ups, but in a very different way from all the other roles. Never have we seen the Bloodhound take part in the fighting, never has General Pepper blasted away at any ships or flown in with the team, he is just the voice in the background, much like James Wolf. Every other role in the game has taken some kind of direct action.
You took advantage of general peppers presence and guessed based on the factors above that he was an NPC, and so you took the role as your cover.
If you look at the opening post, it lists a whole list of characters, and also has a featuring list of spaceships. General Pepper is listed in the list of characters, and there is a picture of the Bloodhound in the many more section of the spaceships. Also, the Bloodhound did indeed show up in a write-up as part of the arrival of the Cornerian fleet on day 7 (post 1093), and before that as an image on Day 2. Not participate in the fighting? On Day 8, and I quote "The Cornerian fleet, comprised of Lylat Cruisers, Lylat Carriers, and General Pepper's flagship, breaks through the first line defenses and begins to assist in the battle." And by the way, it's James McCloud, who is a Fox, not a Wolf, and who is technically listed as a dead player character (that player being Atpg, our lovely host). There has been no sign of any literal NPC all game long, except for possibly the Venomian fleet Commander that showed up in day 8, who I would not be at all surprised to discover after the game ends was one of those Venomians who got converted, possibly even you yourself, nightbringer.
Secura, I wish I could show you what I'd hidden in my role PM, but since I didn't hide or change anything, I can't do that.
Death is yonder
07-27-2010, 13:28
Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote:autolycus
Right... common excuse for both townies AND scums, although arguably scums use it more. Just saying, doesn't prove anything ;)
Its time to finish this, scum. You've been riding a trail of trust ever since you made that fake role-claim as general pepper. I don't need to go over everything that makes it clear that the details are fake, as that has already been made clear to everyone.
He has? He's been thoroughly questioned, doubted heavily, and even at one point of time, was actively considered to be lynched.
Do elaborate further on why Autolycus is guilty Master Nightbringer :yes:
I would like to see your opinion of how all the public information co-relates to his guiltiness. Or are you at this stage, trying to avoid making yourself seem scummy with a bad judgment or giving a stance?
The motivations for faking the claim are obvious, you are mafia.
So obvious that there is no need to review anything, even though its the last round? :clown:
You came up with the role of General Pepper based on info you had and because of some lucky guesses you made about the nature of this character.
You knew only venomians could be converted from your mafia quick-topic and used this to claim an ability that sounds reasonable, but is completely redundant because cornarians simply cannot be converted to begin with.
And the reason why you only brought up these doubts now and not earlier when he role claim was because..?
There was ample opportunity to present all these doubts except in the last round when you desperately need a lynch in your favor.
You chose general pepper because he appears to be a character in the game but he is not
The evidence of this is that General Pepper has not been taking part in actions, he has merely been advising Cornarians what to do. He is present in the write-ups, but in a very different way from all the other roles. Never have we seen the Bloodhound take part in the fighting, never has General Pepper blasted away at any ships or flown in with the team, he is just the voice in the background, much like James Wolf. Every other role in the game has taken some kind of direct action.
Weak argument IMO, every single character that ended up appearing in the write ups has been a real character. So because Double A claimed Slippy when Slippy at that point of the write ups had only appeared once, he was lying? Evidently, Pepper has taken a more public face. I strongly doubt that pizza will cast away his neutrality in regards to the players to support a fake claim by having Pepper appear more often. If that isn't enough proof, look. After Double A and Johnhughthom claimed, they started appearing more often.
Post-Preview Edit: I believe Auto's post just above mine explains the logic behind why his claim is to be taken more seriously too.
You took advantage of general peppers presence and guessed based on the factors above that he was an NPC, and so you took the role as your cover.
And that's why every character that appeared in the write up has been a real character. And that's also why Granga is a fake character eh Nightbringer? :tongue:
Now, lets analyze voting
-Snip, random statistics blabla
We can see that the only times mafia voted for autolycus is when an irreversible bandwagon came down on them. With the safety of being the for sure lynch Pinman and Chaotix voted their undercover man autolycus to attempt to give him some credibility.
And all I saw is some barely plausible argument/coincident being taken as strong supporting evidence :clown:
Here is autolycus voting history
We can see that he has voted for Pinman, Khazaar, and Chaotix.
The chaotix and Pinman votes are irrelevant because they were bandwagoned so badly it didn't matter and all the mafia voted for them.
The Khazaar vote was during the Beeefy Bandwagon, which is odd, but perhaps he just wasn't paying attention. Actively downplaying the alternatives :inquisitive:
More likely though, he was recently recruited, possibly right before his fake claim as general pepper.
In fact, he could have been recruited AT ANY TIME during the game because he was never scanned.
Fact remains that no Cornelians were ever converted, and that falls under the jurisdiction of Auto's role abilities.
Fact also remains that you were a convertable Venomian, in fact, the only known one left in the game.
In line with mafia recruits being those that Star Wolf team investigated to be neutral and publicly declared as such, therefore, you are more strongly likelier to be guilty. You seemed to agree with it for Khazaar's lynch, why are you disputing it now?
I hope this isn't too full of typos and such, but I believe it can stand as proof to my loyal cornarian allies that auto is the scum we need to get rid of. Right so your a cornelian now Mr Venomian? The redundant word "loyal" here just smacked of fake appealing too
If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???
but it is certainly worse than just killing him now and ending this thing once and for all.
Your most certainly right Master Nightbringer, its the last round, and you are definitely likelier than Autolycus to be guilty.
Nightbringer needs to be lynched this round
I also didn't like how he kept defending Beskar and agreeing with him on virtually everything those few rounds where I was pressuring Beskar.
At first we thought he was a Star Wolf member, but since they're all dead, I'm more inclined to believe that he's an Androssian.
That is all
:bow:
wideyedwanderer
07-27-2010, 17:40
So it comes down to the final four...one of us has to be mafia.
Psychoanut is likely not mafia. He claimed Cornerian. Earlier, teams star fox and star wolf seemed to have cleared him, for the most part. I don't remember if he was scanned. But I do know that he nailed a mafia who otherwise wouldn't have been lynched at that time. Heck, he might even still be alive if not for Psycho. I don't see any reason why a mafia would do that to his teammate, when it appears that all the mafia are indeed on one team.
I'm inclined to believe Autolycus' role claim of General Pepper. We've never seen an NPC in this game, and there's no reason to think that ATPG wouldn't include Pepper as a role. The role looks legit. Yeah, there's a typo, and ATPG is pretty good with catching those. But even the best make typos sometimes. That's pretty much the best case anyone (including myself) has been able to find regarding why Auto's role claim might be fake. And if one typo is the only reason we have why it might be fake, then it's probably legit.
That leaves Nightbringer. At one point it became obvious that you were Venomian. It made sense for Andross to only attempt to recruit known Venomians, or risk wasting a night on an un-recruitable character. You were likely recruited by Andross. Vote: Nightbringer.
Diana Abnoba
07-28-2010, 01:31
Very good, Nightbringer has to be lynched this phase, then we win!
Nightbringer
07-28-2010, 03:36
All i can really say is that yes, it is hard to build a case against auto. But what else am i supposed to do. We all know psycho and WEW are cornarians at this point, so its either auto or me. If I know it is not me, that it must be auto and i have to do the best i can to make the other town players realize that. it appears I've failed.
@DIY
The first line was a direct copy of auto's post, i just put it in there to be funny i guess, idk. I attempted to elaborate as much as I could on the evidence of auto eing scum, if I failed to convince you, its my fault but there really is nothing else I can do.
As to not bringing up my doubts earlier... ????????
I DID! As soon as he posted his roleclaim I made my doubts about it very clear. I have campaigned to lynch auto numerous times since then, including before I was scanned. My argument about the gen pepper role is that while he has appeared he has done so in a way more similar to james mccloud than to the other role characters. As to no cornarians being converted, I agree with what psycho said about that simply being an innate part of them. As to your last comment on the lyal allies thing, I meant the loyal part to reflect that they can't be converted, and allies to represent the fact that cornarians and venomians are united against the mafia.
I was agreeing with Beskar because I was a venomian, and i believed (i think correctly) that the venomian and star wolf objectives were the same. Much like the Star fox and cornarian objectives were the same.
Anyway, its pretty clear I'm dead.
So thanks for a great game guys!
Why would Cornerians simply be totally unable to be converted? That means they're stuck with a generic townie role the whole game, while the Venomians have a chance to become not-generic-townie mafia. It would make sense if it was somehow possible to convert them, and maybe Pepper is protecting them. Who knows?
Askthepizzaguy
07-28-2010, 09:08
Day Phase Fourteeen
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64-1.jpg General Pepper: This is General Pepper calling all Cornerian units... The enemy has taken our base! Please respond!
......
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Corneria.jpg
Final Battle: Corneria
Good Luck!
The remnants of the Cornerian Army returned home, only to find their homeworld under attack by the Androssian menace: Granga.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Granga.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: I'm looking forward to this. The Cornerian Army will be destroyed, and Lord Andross will control the galaxy!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: I don't think so. You're going down punk!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: When General Pepper gets here, you will be singing a different tune.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: We'll see.... oh look, there he is!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Lylat_Cruiser.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Attention Troops, Pepper speaking. Congratulations, on a job well done!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: But sir, the job is not quite done yet! We need to defeat the mech.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Correct, the job isn't quite done yet, but the ending was a foregone conclusion a long time ago.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: Sir???
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Where is the Creator?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: What's he talking about? Hold on, his ship is entering orbit.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: Something is wrong. That's not the Bloodhound....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/800px-Saruzin2.png
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: That's a Saruzin-class battleship! Something is emerging....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Destroy.... Destroy.....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Spyborg.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: General Pepper?!?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: What's going on here??
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: Here comes the cavalry!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Spyborg-1.jpg "General Pepper": YOU are an enemy.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: How is this possible?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: Let's stay focused. Concentrate all firepower on the Mech Commander.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: Yeah, come closer.... FIRE REMAINING BATTERIES!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Spyborg-1.jpg Spyborg: DESTROY.... DESTROY.....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: THIS IS PSYCHOTIC!!! IS THIS THE END OF CORNERIA???
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: MY EYES ARE REALLY.... REALLY.... WIDE RIGHT NOW!!!
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GAME OVER
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ANDROSSIAN VICTORY
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: But... the vote tally....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg Askthepizzaguy: Game's been over for a while now. This was all for suspense. :laugh4:
Alive: (2/44)
Autolycus- Spyborg
Nightbringer- Granga
Dead: (39/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon
Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
wideyedwanderer- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Psychonaut- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Out of this Dimension: (7/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.
Replacements:
Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC
No more replacement players.
CONGRATULATIONS, MAFIA!!!!
Well played game. Commentary to follow shortly.
LOL. I knew auto was Mafia. But, ya'll didn't listen.
Y'all have to eat humble pie.
Let me guess, this was like Star Wars Mafia. Where the Maf. get infinite recruitment.
seireikhaan
07-28-2010, 09:29
Or it could have something to do with the one dead baddie out of the first twenty five dead.
Well done, Mafia. I'm curious about the exact setup.
Askthepizzaguy
07-28-2010, 09:37
Day Phase Fourteeen
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64-1.jpg General Pepper: This is General Pepper calling all Cornerian units... The enemy has taken our base! Please respond!
......
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Final Battle: Corneria
Good Luck!
The remnants of the Cornerian Army returned home, only to find their homeworld under attack by the Androssian menace: Granga.
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: I'm looking forward to this. The Cornerian Army will be destroyed, and Lord Andross will control the galaxy!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: I don't think so. You're going down punk!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: When General Pepper gets here, you will be singing a different tune.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: We'll see.... oh look, there he is!
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Attention Troops, Pepper speaking. Congratulations, on a job well done!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: But sir, the job is not quite done yet! We need to defeat the mech.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Correct, the job isn't quite done yet, but the ending was a foregone conclusion a long time ago.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: Sir???
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: The Star Wolf team has defeated Andross! It's time to end this war.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: I'm.... no match for you..... I admit defeat.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: I'll accept your unconditional surrender. Lower your shields and prepare to be apprehended.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: Closing to tractor beam range...
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Granga: I'd never surrender to YOU!!! PREPARE TO DIE!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!! SELF-DESTRUCT, ACTIVATE!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: GAHAHHHH!!!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/creations-explosion-troyes-france-6.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: Whh...whh... What happened??
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: I had my weapons trained on his power generator. I wasn't about to let you be destroyed like that. You men are heroes.... you've saved Corneria.... and ALL of the LYLAT SYSTEM!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: That's our leader!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: YES!!! I knew we could do it!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Let's rebuild our cities and our society. Now begins a new era of peace for all life in the Galaxy. Let us never forget the sacrifices made by our fallen heroes.... yes, even our Venomian counterparts. Star Fox, Star Wolf, and all the others, fought bravely to bring us this peace, and their names and deeds will echo throughout history.... until the last star in the sky goes dim.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Psychonaut: Hear, hear! Way to go, Star Fox!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg wideyedwanderer: Nicely done, Star Wolf!
VICTORY MUSIC
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GAME OVER
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CORNERIAN VICTORY!!!
Alive: (3/44)
Autolycus- General Pepper - Bloodhound
wideyedwanderer- Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot
Psychonaut- Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot
Dead: (38/44)
Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon
Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Nightbringer- Mech Commander- Granga
Out of this Dimension: (7/44)
White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.
Replacements:
Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC
No more replacement players.
CONGRATULATIONS, CORNERIANS, STAR FOX TEAM, STAR WOLF, AND VENOMIANS!!!!
Well played game. Commentary to follow shortly.
YOU TRICKED ME! THAT'S MEAN! I OUGHT TO INSTAGIB YOU FOR THAT. ~;p :clown:
Askthepizzaguy
07-28-2010, 09:51
YOU TRICKED ME! THAT'S MEAN! I OUGHT TO INSTAGIB YOU FOR THAT. ~;p
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: Never give up. Trust your instincts.
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In case people are wondering, I was planning on letting the round go until the 48 hours were up, but the Venomian team didn't want to drag it out and felt that no one was going to change their minds. I agreed, and allowed the round to end early with their permission. Well played by all sides.
Diana Abnoba
07-28-2010, 10:15
Yeah!!!!! We won!!! :cheerleader:
Fantastic game Pizza!! Thanks for hosting, yet another one of your, well executed games. Great write ups and story telling, as always.
Congrats to town, Star Fox, and Star Wolf. Thanks to my team mates for trusting me, Pigma is a hard character to gain trust in people. *oink*
Very well played mafia, a close game until the end. Sorry Nightbringer, you tried so hard at saving yourself, but the odds were against you. (I felt for you being in that spot). All the mafia played their parts well (as you can tell by so many townies being killed off in the middle of this game).
This game was great fun to play, thanks to all. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
07-28-2010, 10:33
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LYLAT WARS
ENDGAME COMMENTARY
Part I
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STAR FOX TEAM
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STAR WOLF TEAM
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Pigma Dengar and Krystal
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General Pepper
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Katt Monroe, Bill Grey, and many others!
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Featuring Wolfen Starfighters
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Arwing Starfighters
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Venomian Starfighters
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Cornerian Starfighters
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https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Catspaw.jpg
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Lylat_Cruiser.jpg
And many more...
BEGIN COMMENTARY:
Game Description:
Large Mafia Game
40+ players
Standard Day/Night phases
Town, Neutral, and Mafia factions
Pro-town team not overpowered
Investigation roles are not 100% effective
Many players are basic townies
Secret roles, hidden twist
Pro-town team was not overpowered, not compared with what the Androssian team had to work with. You'll see when I post the roles.
Investigation roles are not 100% effective:
Beskar/Wolf's investigation was the closest thing to a true detective one might find. He could detect ships, but not who was piloting them, nor could he detect their current alignment unless they were Mafia. He could scan Fox and not know for sure it was Fox; it could be Slippy or Falco, etc. This gives him maybe 95% effectiveness... the most effective scan in the game. But as you saw, he scanned Venomians who were converted later, and he had a mole in his group reading all his investigation results, which were later used against him. Plus he had the added handicap of being scanned as neutral, and being Star Wolf.... the same person who was vig killing everyone and missing. So he looked like a scumbag of some kind, and no one really trusted him.
I like that in a detective.... a little ambiguity and doubt about their intentions... I can live with that. I hate overpowered detectives. He was also the ONLY one in the game who could scan Andrew and have it read as Andross.
Secret roles:
Andross was a secret role because he was given a cover role as Andrew. His identity would also remain a secret until he killed with two of his converts through protection.
Pigma could have been turned into the Aparoid Leader if Andrew/Andross died within the first three rounds, and become the new BIG BAD.
Hidden twist:
Andross was part of the Star Wolf faction, unknown to them. Plus the chance for Aparoids to invade if he died early.
GAME RULES
12. The Big Bad (main enemy of the game)
This is the role that the Town and Neutral factions start off opposing.
The Big Bad could be anyone.
There may be more than one Big Bad... or just one, depending on what happens.
The Big Bad was Andross, of course.
The Big Bad could be anyone. ANYONE. That was the big hint that Star Wolf should have scanned their own group. Can't say I didn't warn ya.... :laugh4:
StarFox Mafia
Roles and game information.
James McCloud- Game host (deceased)
-Fox McCloud- Mason, Can be either a vigilante or a defender.
-Peppy Hare- Mason, Can Scan for StarFox members, recruits, and Krystal.
-Falco Lombardi- Can Scan for Venomian Assault Forces. Can rejoin Star Fox.
-Slippy Toad- Weak Investigator (can detect neutral characters only) Can rejoin Star Fox.
-General Pepper- Townie (while alive, Cornerians cannot be recruited. Cannot be recruited.)
-Bill Grey- Townie (Can determine if town-aligned with his vote.... it only counts versus Neutral, Venom, Wolf, or Androssian. Can be recruited)
-Katt Monroe- Townie (no special ability at start, can be recruited)
-ROB 64- Townie- Can restore Peppy, Falco, or Slippy Toad back to life. (Revive) Cannot be recruited.
-Cornerian Defense Forces- Townsperson
-Venomian Assault Forces- neutral. Can join Andross's forces.
-Krystal- neutral. can be recruited to join StarWolf or StarFox
-Pigma Dengar- neutral. Can be recruited to join StarWolf. Becomes Aparoid Leader (BIG BAD) if Andross dies within 3 rounds.
-Wolf O'Donnell- neutral/StarWolf (Becomes mafia if Andross dies)- Can investigate or perform a murder. (Scans for ship types)
-Leon Powalski- neutral/StarWolf (Becomes mafia if Andross dies)- Able to search for Pigma. Rank 2nd.
-Panther Caroso- neutral/StarWolf (Becomes mafia if Andross dies)- Able to search for Krystal. Rank 3rd.
-Andrew Oikonny/Andross- Cult leader (Pretending to be member of StarWolf) Ranks last, always.
Can recruit Venomian Assault Forces.
Can scan for converts only, and can Murder at the same time.
Protected from most investigations.
Can survive 1 lynch.
Can recruit instead of scanning.
If you try to recruit someone who cannot be recruited, you are exposed to that person.
Androssian Converts:
Every two converts can perform 1 additional murder.
Andross plus two converts can kill through defenses.
Four converts can kill through defenses.
If Andross dies, they can go on murdering and still win the game, but they cannot recruit.
StarFox team:
G-diffuser system- If there are 4 members of the StarFox team, any night that a member of the Fox team sends in no orders, the Arwing activates the G-diffuser system, which acts as a self-protecting mechanism from Andross' forces.
Andross can personally defeat the G-diffuser with his murder, but not a protection, without reinforcement.
Fox, upon death, transfers his powers to the next most senior member of Star Fox, in the following order: Peppy, Falco, Slippy, Bill Grey, Krystal, Katt.
If the Star Fox team is destroyed, they can elect to transfer Fox's powers to Star Wolf.
StarWolf team:
Wolf, upon death, transfers his powers to the next highest-ranked member of Star Wolf, in the following order: Leon, Panther, Pigma, Krystal (never to Andrew/Andross....)
If the Star Wolf team is destroyed, they can elect to transfer Wolf's powers to Star Fox.
Early Andross Death:
Pigma becomes the new leader of the Aparoid Faction, and starts trying to recruit.
STARTING ROLES/GAME SETUP:
1. Joooray/ Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba/ Pigma Dengar- recruitable (BIG BAD 2)
3. Beskar/ Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura/ Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan/ Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes/ Andrew Oikonny/Andross (BIG BAD)
7. splitpersonality/ Fox McCloud- Mason
8. remake20/ Peppy Hare- Mason
9. Romanic/ Falco Lombardi- Recruitable
10. Double A/ Slippy Toad- Recruitable
11. Autolycus/ General Pepper- Non recruitable
12. ArpeggiateTHIS/ Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom/ Katt Monroe- recruitable
14. Beefy187/ ROB 64- Not recruitable
15. Death is yonder/ Cornerian Defense Forces
16. Rob_the_Celt/ Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk/ Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill/ Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber/ Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata/ Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix/ Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice/ Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi/ Cornerian Defense Forces
24. White_Eyes:D/ Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn/ Cornerian Defense Forces
26. YLC/ Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer/ Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax/ Venomian Assault Forces
29. Pinman/ Venomian Assault Forces
30. hell_hound/ Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander/ Venomian Assault Forces
32. merciary/ Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen/ Venomian Assault Forces
34. Kadagar_AV/ Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict/ Venomian Assault Forces
36. Khazaar/ Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28/ Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel / Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas/ Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah/ Venomian Assault Forces
Additional players (Over 40, it goes Cornerian, Venom, Cornerian, Venom, until I reach 50 players)
41. Yaseikhaan/ Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer/ Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon/ Venomian Assault Forces
44. Askthepizzaguy/ James McCloud (Game host, deceased at start. Warns town when defeat is imminent.)
pevergreen
07-28-2010, 10:53
Interesting game setup.
Askthepizzaguy
07-28-2010, 11:06
Star Fox Team Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/aQYhT4gwnJZH7)
Star Wolf Team Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/iZeqCQRbwHaH)
Androssian Team Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M)
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Fox McCloud: Splitpersonality/Choxorn
"Sorry to jet, but I'm in a hurry!"
—Fox McCloud
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Fox McCloud
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Fox_McCloud
Fox McCloud (フォックス・マクラウド, Fokkusu Makuraudo) is an anthropomorphic red fox and main protagonist of the Star Fox series. He is also a pilot, combatant, adventurer, and leader of the Star Fox team. Fox is the son of James McCloud, who taught him throughout his childhood to never give up. During his teen years, Fox joined the Cornerian Flight Academy with his close friend Bill Grey. It was during this time that Andross made his first move against the Lylat System. Fox is also good friends with Falco Lombardi and Slippy Toad, who apparently joined him at the academy. Fox also considers Peppy Hare a father figure, as the two formed a bond after James' death.
Name: Splitpersonality
Role: Fox McCloud
Team: Star Fox
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Personally defeat the enemy leader, either by vote or with your vigilante power. Then survive the game... if you can.
Ability: Every Night phase, you can either defend or vigilante kill one player of your choosing.
"You've got an enemy on your tail!"- Defense power
"I'll go it alone from here!"- Vigilante power
Mason Partner: remake20
Role: Peppy Hare
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/aQYhT4gwnJZH7
Ship: Arwing
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StarFox team: Mason group
The StarFox Team is a group of mercenaries who all work together to defeat the evil forces conspiring against Corneria, or any other planet in need of assistance... for a healthy paycheck of course. You should find the missing members of your team, because you have added benefits when there are at least 4 of you. Peppy is on the lookout for those missing members. You can try to defend the innocent, or fire your blaster into space, trying to hit enemy forces.
Special power: G-diffuser system
If there are 4 members of the StarFox team, any night that a member of the Fox team sends in no orders, the Arwing activates the G-diffuser system, which acts as a self-protecting mechanism from evil forces. The enemy leader can fire through the G-diffuser, though, so you are not totally invulnerable. You presently have 2 members, so that's not enough.
Peppy Hare: remake20/Death is Yonder
"Do a Barrel Roll!"
—Peppy Hare
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Peppy Hare
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Peppy
Peppy Hare (ペッピー・ヘア, Peppī Hea) is a member of the legendary Star Fox team, with leader James McCloud and wingmate Pigma Dengar. After Pigma's betrayal and James' capture, Peppy narrowly escapes to return to Corneria to inform Fox McCloud of his father's fate. Ever since then, Peppy serves as Fox's mentor and frequently gives Fox instructions and advice throughout the course of the games. Peppy's phrase from Star Fox 64, "Do a barrel roll!" (taken out of context), has become a popular internet phenomenon.
Name: remake20
Role: Peppy Hare
Team: Star Fox
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Locate all the missing members of the Star Fox team using your investigative power. Then survive the game... if you can.
Ability: Every Night phase, you can scan for missing members of the Star Fox team... or folks who may be interested in joining.
"All craft report in!"- Scanning power
This scan is limited in power... you won't be able to detect enemies with it.
Trying to find members of the team simply by revealing may have disastrous consequences, even if you were defended.
Mason Partner: Splitpersonality
Role: Fox McCloud
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/aQYhT4gwnJZH7
Ship: Arwing
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StarFox team: Mason group
The StarFox Team is a group of mercenaries who all work together to defeat the evil forces conspiring against Corneria, or any other planet in need of assistance... for a healthy paycheck of course. You should find the missing members of your team, because you have added benefits when there are at least 4 of you.
Special power: G-diffuser system
If there are 4 members of the StarFox team, any night that a member of the Fox team sends in no orders, the Arwing activates the G-diffuser system, which acts as a self-protecting mechanism from evil forces. The enemy leader can fire through the G-diffuser, though, so you are not totally invulnerable. You presently have 2 members, so that's not enough.
Falco Lombardi: Romanic
"Time for a little payback!"
—Falco Lombardi
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/falco.jpg
Falco Lombardi
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Falco_Lombardi
Falco Lombardi (ファルコ・ランバルディ Faruko Ranbarudi) is an anthropomorphic falcon and ace pilot of the Star Fox team. He is also a good friend and rival to Fox McCloud. Falco resembles a peregrine falcon, and his English name comes from the name of the falcon genus. The name Falco is the only English name from the original team which Dylan Culbert of Q-Games did not come up with. Instead, the name came from Imamura, the 2D artist and scenario designer. The original four members of the Star Fox Team are based on the team for the first game. Falco in particular is based on the model designer, Watanabe. At the time of Star Fox 64, Falco was 19 years old.
Name: Romanic
Role: Falco Lombardi
Team: Star Fox
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Locate as many Venomian Assault forces as possible. Then try to survive the game.... if you can.
Ability: Every Night phase, you can scan for Venomian forces.
"Go find your own target, Fox!"- Scanning power
This scan is limited in power... you can only detect Venomian Assault Forces. This scan will not detect every enemy, nor will it tell you what something is if it is not part of the Venomian army.
Ship: Arwing
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Slippy Toad: Double A
"Fox, get this guy off me!"
—Slippy Toad
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/slippy-1.jpg
Slippy Toad
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Slippy
Slippy Toad (スリッピー・トード Surippī Tōdo) is a childhood friend of Fox, and has been flying alongside him for several years. Slippy serves as the inventor and mechanic of the team. His inventions, from the Arwing, Land Master, and Blue Marine to the reflector and blaster, have helped the Star Fox team prevail over the enemy, making Slippy a major contribution to the Star Fox team's success.
Name: Double A
Role: Slippy Toad
Team: Star Fox
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Rejoin the Star Fox team. Then try to survive the game.... if you can.
Ability: Every Night phase, you can scan for neutral forces. These could be remnants of the Venomian army, or something else.
"Data analysis complete, here it comes!"- Scanning power
This scan is limited in power... you can only detect neutral forces. This scan will not tell you what something is, only if it is neutral or not.
Ship: Arwing
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General Pepper: Autolycus
"We need your help, Star Fox!"
—General Pepper
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General pepper
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Pepper
General Pepper (ペパー将軍, Pepā Shōgun) is commander of all of Corneria's forces in the Lylat System. He has offered Fox McCloud an official commission in the end of Star Fox 64, but Fox refused it, stating that they "prefer to do things [their] way." Pepper became general of the Cornerian army by the time of the Lylat Wars. He had banished Andross to Venom for conducting dangerous experiments while working as a scientist for the army. Five years later, he discovered that Andross was conducting disturbing activity on Venom. He hired the Star Fox team for the first, then comprising of founder James McCloud, Peppy Hare, and Pigma Dengar. He sent the Star Fox team to investigate the situation on Venom. He temporarily resigned in Star Fox Command from being ill, thus making his good long time friend, Peppy Hare, the new and temporary general of the Cornerian Army.
Name: Autolycus
Role: General Pepper
Team: Cornerian Defense Forces
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Survive the game.
Ability: As long as you are alive, all Cornerian Defense Forces will remain loyal. You are a symbol of hope and leadership to the free people of the Lylat System.
Ship: Cornerian Flagship- The Bloodhound
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Bill Grey: ArpeggiateTHIS
"Husky Unit, cover the base!"
—Bill Grey
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Bill Grey
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_Grey
William "Bill" Grey (ビル・グレイ, Biru Gurei) is a Bulldog ace pilot in the Cornerian Army that serves out of Katina. He wears a Green Ace Army Commander Helmet on his head because he's a Commander of his own team. In his childhood, he was good friends with Fox McCloud, who convinced him to join the Cornerian Flight Academy with him some years ago. When Fox left the Academy to avenge his father's death at the hands of Andross, Bill went on to become an ace pilot and was given command of both the Husky and Bulldog squadrons. He helped to defend Katina during the Lylat Wars and the Anglar Blitz. If the mission is accomplished on Katina, Bill will help with opening the warp gates in Sector X or help with fighting monsters on Solar, depending on the route Fox takes. A similar role is played by Katt Monroe.
Name: ArpeggiateTHIS
Role: Bill Grey
Team: Cornerian Defense forces
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: "Shoot down" (vote to lynch) at least one of the enemy ships.
Ability: You can tell enemy ships from loyal ships. As a result, your vote will not count unless it has been lodged against an enemy or neutral target. You can also be recruited by the Star Fox team.
"Fox, that's one of ours!"- Vote will only count versus neutral or enemy targets.
Ship: Cornerian Fighter
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Katt Monroe: Johnhughthom
"Are you going to hog all the fun?"
—Katt Monroe
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Katt Monroe
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Katt_Monroe
Katt Monroe (キャット・モンロー, Kyatto Monrō) is a female feline from the Star Fox series. Like Falco Lombardi, she seems cocky, but in a girlish way, such as joking that she would never fly with him again. Katt has a past history as Falco's colleague but it has never been revealed what they used to do. Most likely smuggling, piracy, or arms dealing. However, in the Star Fox Manga "Farewell, Beloved Falco", which served as a midquel bridging the events between Star Fox 64 and Star Fox Adventures, it was revealed that she and Falco were both teammates of the space gang known as the "Hot Rodders"
Name: johnhughthom
Role: Katt Monroe
Team: Independent
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Falco Lombardi must survive the entire game. (You love him)
Ability: You can be recruited and join the Star Fox team.
"Starting without me? Boys, I'm crushed..."- You can join the Star Fox team.
Ship: Cat's Paw
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Beefy187: ROB64
"Great Fox is ready to go!"
—ROB 64
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ROB 64
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/ROB
ROB 64, known as NUS64 (ナウス 64 Nausu Rokujūyon) in Japan, is the robotic operator of Star Fox team's mothership, the Great Fox. ROB's name is a reference to the NES accessory R.O.B.(Robotic Operating Buddy), to which he bears a more than passing resemblance. The "64" is derived from the console of his first appearance, the Nintendo 64. ROB's Japanese name, "NUS", stands for "Nintendo Ultra Sixty-four," the original name of the Nintendo 64 system, and is part of the serial number of all N64 components: the controller, for example, is NUS-005. Like with his English name, the 64 is derived from the console of his first appearance. ROB has the ability to completely control the Great Fox, technically making the ship fully autonomous. It is also networked to the ship's main computers, allowing ROB to process any information requested by the Star Fox Team. ROB can also use the ship's transfer device to send vehicles and items to Star Fox team members in the field.
Name: Beefy187
Role: ROB 64
Team: Star Fox
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: You must repair at least two damaged arwings.
Ability: You can restore Peppy, Falco, or Slippy Toad back to life once each.
"Maintenance complete on Falco's ship."- You can repair Peppy's, Falco's, or Slippy's ship once each.
Ship: Great Fox
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Cornerian Fighter: Lots of players
"All aircraft report."
—Cornerian Fighter
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Cornerian_Logo.jpg
Cornerian Defense Force
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Cornerian_Army
The Cornerian Army is one of the main military forces of Corneria, used to patrol and protect the Lylat System from any and all threats. Squadrons of these soldiers have been dispatched to various areas of the Lylat System to keep the peace. In Star Fox 64, the Army is quickly overpowered by the unexpected invasion from the until then unheard of Venomian Army. The Cornerian Army, during that time, had control over Corneria, Sector Y, Katina and Fichina, and they usually managed to endure until Star Fox came to the rescue. During the time of Star Fox: Assault, the Cornerian Army is able to hold it's own fighting rebelling forces, giving Star Fox time to go in after Andrew Oikonny. It is assumed that they, like the Cornerian Defense Force, were severely beaten trying to stop the sudden invasion of the powerful Aparoids. The Cornerian Army base on Katina was among the first victims of the Aparoid invasion. General Pepper retired and turned his job over to Peppy Hare by the time of Star Fox Command, in which the army must again try to defend Lylat from a quick invasion from a powerful enemy, in this case, the Anglars. Several members of the Cornerian Army are playable in this game, including Bill Grey and Dash Bowman. Also, in this game, Krystal joins the Cornerian Army before defecting to Star Wolf. She takes her fighter with her, although she paints it pink. It is identical to Bill's ship.
Role: Cornerian Fighter
Team: Cornerian Defense Force
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: The Cornerian Defense force must outnumber the Venomian Assault Force by the end of the conflict.
Ability: None
Ship: Cornerian Fighter
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Askthepizzaguy
07-28-2010, 11:07
Venomian Fighter: Lots of players
"Do you copy? Emergency Maneuvers!"
—Caiman
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Venomian Assault Force
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Venomian_Army
The Venomian Army sometimes referred to as Androssians, was the army of the planet Venom which operated under the control of Andross. The army was destroyed by both the Cornerian Army and the Star Fox Team at the end of the Lylat Wars, although small groups of it remained at least up to the time of the Aparoid Invasion. These groups were kept at bay during those times, being forced to stay on Fortuna as a last resort before the Aparoids invaded.
Role: Venomian Fighter
Team: Venomian Assault Force
Victory: Neutral
It is in your best interest to remain alive. As a neutral, you can only win if your team (VAF) outnumbers the Cornerian team (CDF) at the end of the game, or if you survive the game, or if your alignment changes and you get new win conditions.
Personal Objective: The Venomian Assault Force must outnumber the Cornerian Defense force by the end of the conflict. Your personal survival adds to this.
Ability: None
Ship: Venomian Fighter
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The Venomian Forces can win with the town, but this victory condition may change.
Krystal: Joooray
"I'm sensing a distress call from planet Sauria..."
—Krystal
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Krystal9.jpg
Krystal
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Krystal
Krystal (クリスタル, Kurisutaru) is an anthropomorphic blue fox and the newest member of the Star Fox team. She serves as Fox McCloud's love interest and made her debut in the series in Star Fox Adventures. In the English version of the series, Krystal speaks Estuary English and is voiced by Estelle Ellis in Adventures, and Alésia Glidewell in Star Fox: Assault and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. In the Japanese version of the two later games, she is voiced by Aya Hara. Krystal is a native of Cerinia, a planet outside the Lylat System. Krystal became proficient in using a powerful staff weapon, as well as her natural abilities of telepathy. It has been speculated that she is a Cerinian princess, based on her dress in the preplanned game Dinosaur Planet, her outfit in Star Fox Adventures, and the tiara she wears.
Name: Joooray
Role: Krystal
Team: Independent
Victory: Neutral
As a neutral, your objective is to either survive the game, or join another team and get different win conditions.
Personal Objective: Join either the StarFox or Star Wolf Mercenary teams.
Ability: None
Ship: Cloud Runner
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Pigma Dengar: Diana Abnoba
"My beautiful reward! Argghh!"
—Pigma Dengar
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma-1.jpg
Pigma Dengar
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Pigma
Pigma Dengar (ピグマ・デンガー Piguma Dengā) was once a member of the legendary Star Fox Team, and later of Star Wolf Team, then the Aparoids after being kicked out by Wolf O'Donnell. Pigma is an exceptionally greedy miser who does not care who he hurts so long as he ends up with a large paycheck in the end. He is also extremely sadistic, as evidenced by his claim of "Daddy screamed REAL good before he died!".
Name: Diana Abnoba
Role: Pigma Dengar
Team: Independent
Victory: Neutral
As a Neutral, your objective is to either survive the game, or join another team and get new win conditions. But fulfilling your personal objectives guarantees you a minor victory of some kind.
Personal Objective:
Rejoin the Star Wolf mercenary team, survive the game... and you'll be rich!!! They will be looking for you. Just remember that Star Fox has a grudge against you... since you betrayed them and tried to murder Peppy.
Additionally: PEPPY MUST DIE- your score is higher if you outlive Peppy Hare, of the Starfox team.
Ability: you can deflect one attack by most starfighters, because you're flying the Wolfen II, a clearly superior ship.
"You can't beat me, I've got a better ship!"- survive one attack, unless it is more powerful than you can handle.
Ship: Wolfen II
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen2.jpg
Note: if the BIG BAD is defeated very quickly (within 3 rounds), you will become the new BIG BAD..... fair warning.
Wolf O'Donnell: Beskar
"Can't let you do that, Star Fox!"
—Wolf O'Donnell
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Wolf O'Donnell
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Wolf_O%27Donnell
Wolf O'Donnell (ウルフ オドネル Urufu Odoneru), sometimes referred to as "Lord O'Donnell" by his underlings, is the leader of Star Wolf, and rival of Fox McCloud. Fox and Wolf were enemies sometime before Star Fox 64 took place. It is heavily implied that they have a long and bitter history with each other, despite mutual respect. It has been suggested in the comic adaptation of Star Fox 64, as well as his statement when he is getting the upper hand of a Dogfight against Fox in the game itself ("You'll be seeing your dad soon, Fox!") that Wolf was involved with the apparent death of James McCloud- Fox's father (further hinted by his Brawl trophy). When Wolf's team was hired by Andross to take down Star Fox, Wolf wanted nothing but to fulfill his orders and to kill Fox. Star Wolf team ultimately failed their mission, leading Wolf to seek revenge for his own personal reasons.
Since Star Fox 64, his character has changed from being reminiscent of a stereotypical classy and sinister narcissist to that of a stereotypical crude pirate. This may symbolize the fact that he has become less villainous since Star Fox 64.
Name: Beskar
Role: Wolf O'Donnell
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (Neutral, for now...)
As a neutral, your objective is to DESTROY THE BIG BAD. This will help ensure your survival.
Personal Objective: Stop at nothing... KILL FOX McCLOUD. Survival is just icing on the cake.
Ability: You can investigate or perform a murder.
Don't get too cocky, Star Fox. - You can select one target and scan them.
You'll be seeing your dad soon, Fox. - You can select one target and fire, killing them if it works.
Team Star Wolf:
The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.
The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/iZeqCQRbwHaH
Partners:
Leon Powalski- Secura
Panther Caroso- Cultured Drizzt Fan
Andrew Oikonny- Winston Hughes
Ship: Wolfen
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move. There's a bounty on your head, and when this crisis is over, the Cornerian Army WILL be gunning for you.
Leon Powalski: Secura
"Shoot me down. If you can."
—Leon Powalski
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/leon-1.jpg
Leon Powalski
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Leon_Powalski
Leon Powalski (レオン ポワルスキー Reon Powarusukī) is a member of the Star Wolf Team, and is the only member other than Wolf himself that has been on the team since its creation. Leon's past is unknown, but he most likely had some past rivalry with Falco Lombardi, whom he mainly concentrates on during dogfights in Star Fox 64 and bickers with in Star Fox: Assault. Leon's personality has changed noticeably since Star Fox 64. He has gone from a classy, competent pilot to a crazed, ruthless assassin who usually gives a deranged laugh after defeating a foe. His voice has also changed dramatically to suit this; originally, his tone was calm and sinister, but it has recently become high-pitched and maniacal.
Name: Secura
Role: Leon Powalski
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (Neutral, for now...)
As a neutral, your objective is to DESTROY THE BIG BAD. This will help ensure your survival.
Personal Objective: Stop at nothing... FALCO LOMBARDI MUST DIE. But also, locate Pigma Dengar with your scanning equipment.
Ability: You can search for Pigma Dengar.
Let's see how you handle our new ships. - You can select one target and scan them. If you locate Pigma Dengar, you can invite him to rejoin the Star Wolf Team.
Team Star Wolf:
The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.
The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/iZeqCQRbwHaH
Partners:
Wolf O'Donnell- Beskar
Panther Caroso- Cultured Drizzt Fan
Andrew Oikonny- Winston Hughes
Ship: Wolfen
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move. There's a bounty on your head, and when this crisis is over, the Cornerian Army WILL be gunning for you.
Panther Caroso: Cultured Drizzt Fan
"Allow me to introduce myself: I am Panther, and all who see my rose meet death!"
—Panther Caroso
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/panther-1.jpg
Panther Caroso
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Panther_Caroso
Panther Caroso (パンサー カルロッソ Pansā Caruroso, Panther Caluroso) is a member of Star Wolf. He becomes infatuated with Krystal at the Sargasso Region, and when Fox fires her in Star Fox Command, Krystal turns to Panther and the rest of Star Wolf. He made his first appearance as the newest member of the Star Wolf team in Star Fox: Assault, taking the place of both Pigma and Andrew. Panther is quite conceited, which often embarrasses those around him, especially his teammates Wolf and Leon. He is also a flirt, and considers himself a ladies' man. As a result, he attempts to flirt with Krystal several times, but she either ignores or outright rejects him depending on the circumstances. His signature symbol is a red rose. This symbol is painted on the side of his Wolfen, making him the only pilot in the series to have any kind of marking on his ship, which distinguishes his Wolfen from those of his teammates.
Name: Cultured Drizzt Fan
Role: Panther Caroso
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (Neutral, for now...)
As a neutral, your objective is to DESTROY THE BIG BAD. This will help ensure your survival.
Personal Objective: Stop at nothing... SLIPPY TOAD MUST DIE. But also, locate Krystal with your scanning equipment.
Ability: You can search for Krystal.
You wanna ride on my wing, Krystal? - You can select one target and scan them. If you locate Krystal, you can invite her to join the Star Wolf Team.
Team Star Wolf:
The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.
The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/iZeqCQRbwHaH
Partners:
Wolf O'Donnell- Beskar
Leon Powalski- Secura
Andrew Oikonny- Winston Hughes
Ship: Wolfen
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While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move. There's a bounty on your head, and when this crisis is over, the Cornerian Army WILL be gunning for you.[/QUOTE]
Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny: Winston Hughes/civplayah
Click the link.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM8rJncfNc4&feature=related
COVER ROLE:
"Bow before the great Andross!"
—Andrew Oikonny
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Andrew Oikonny
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Andrew
Andrew Oikonny (アンドリュー・オイッコニー, Andoryū Oikkonī) , usually called only by his surname, is the nephew of Andross. In Star Fox 64, Oikonny flies with Star Wolf and primarily goes after Slippy Toad in battles against the Star Fox team for unknown reasons, possibly a rivalry that started over superior intellect in the past. Oikonny was originally supposed to appear in Star Fox 2 as Algy. His first official appearance was in Star Fox 64, where he was a part of Star Wolf. He would always attack Slippy as his first target. When shot down, he would usually yell "Uncle Andross!" Oikonny appears with the rest of Star Wolf in the missions Fichina or Bolse Defense Station. He is also seen in the "back entrance" to Venom where Star Wolf gets new ships. Andrew isn't heard from again until Star Fox Assault, where he has taken control of the remains of Andross's fleet and declared war on Corneria. After plowing through his fleet and chasing all across Fortuna, Oikonny transforms his ship into what Falco calls an "Andross Wannabe" that is soon destroyed by an Aparoid. Oikonny survives and returns in Star Fox Command as an ally to the Anglars piloting the Death Crab. He is then defeated once again by Fox and his team.
Name: Winston Hughes
Role: Andrew Oikonny
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (Neutral, for now...)
Personal Objective: General Pepper must die! His death is your personal goal.
Ability: You are immune to most investigations.
"Give it up! You can't win!" - You are immune to most investigations.
Team Star Wolf:
The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.
The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/iZeqCQRbwHaH
Partners:
Wolf O'Donnell- Beskar
Leon Powalski- Secura
Panther Caroso- Cultured Drizzt Fan
Ship: Wolfen
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move. There's a bounty on your head, and when this crisis is over, the Cornerian Army WILL be gunning for you.
REAL ROLE:
"Those tin cans are no match for me!"
—Andross
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Andross
Name: Winston Hughes
Role: Andross
Team: Venom
Victory: Andross (Outnumber all town-aligned characters)
Personal Objective: Defeat the entire Star Fox team.
You are the leader of the Androssian Empire. You can convert certain players to your side, by force, and make them into your unflinching minions.
Once more the forces of Andross will rule the galaxy.... and... we shall have... peace.
Abilities:
You are immune to most investigations, you can murder once per night, in addition, you can scan for new converts OR convert someone.
"You will die just like your father." - You can choose one target per night and murder them.
"If I go down, I'm taking you with me!" - You can choose one target per night to investigate and see if they are worthy of assimilation.
"Only I have the brains to rule Lylat." - You can convert Venomian Assault Forces into your subservient henchmen.
You can defeat simple defenses with ease, you're the Great Andross. Those pathetic tin cans are no match for you... (The G-diffuser defense fails when you personally attack someone... your henchmen do not have this kind of power, and their attacks will fail against G-diffusers)
You can defeat strong defenses with help. If someone is being DEFENDED at night, yourself and two converts can all attack that person, and the defenses will fail.
You can survive 1 lynch attempt. You have a decoy... a mechanical version of yourself.
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Andross' Forces:
Every two converts can perform 1 additional murder. Andross plus two converts can kill through defenses. Four converts can kill through defenses. If Andross dies, they can go on murdering and still win the game, but they cannot recruit. If you try to recruit someone who cannot be recruited, you are exposed to that person.
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M
Partners: You must convert some neutrals first. You start all alone. However, you should be able to manipulate the circumstances by influencing your "Star Wolf" friends...
Long story short:
1. You are pretending to be a member of Star Wolf, a neutral group. You can murder once every night regardless, and then also either investigate or attempt to assimilate someone into your cult.
2. Your real goal is to assimilate as many Venomian Assault Forces as possible, and murder everyone by the end of the game, INCLUDING STAR WOLF.
3. If you die, your converts can continue on without you, but they cannot convert anymore.
4. If you die and your converts are slain, then you have been utterly defeated.
5. If you die and your converts are slain, and any members of Star Fox remain alive, then you've suffered a catastrophic defeat.
Note from the game host:
This is a difficult role. Not only are you an enemy of the Cornerians, Star Fox, and Independents, (townies) but you are also supposed to use and then betray your "teammates": Star Wolf. You will have to juggle two different quicktopics, up to three different personas (pretending to be a townie, pretending to be a member of Star Wolf, being Andross), you'll have to post in the thread and avoid suspicion there, and still remember to get your murder and investigation/conversion in on time. If at any time you go inactive, I will be forced to replace you. If you send in your orders IN ADVANCE, this will not be a problem, you won't get replaced. You are the main bad guy of the entire game. Your role is of critical importance, obviously. I'm counting on you to give all the other players a hard time. Without you, there is no challenge. It's all on your shoulders....
Give them hell or die trying!
"Teammates":
Beskar, Secura, and Cultured Drizzt Fan. (don't forget to make them die... :evil:)
Androssian Convert- Attack Carrier: Pinman
You have been scanned and converted by Andross, the BIG BAD and master of the Venomian army. You've been re-recruited and promoted to one of his highest commands. Your victory condition has now changed, and your powers have increased. Your goal is to wipe out everyone besides Andross and other Androssian converts. Your team must be the last one standing. You are now MAFIA.
"Ah, someone wants to play"
—Attack Carrier Captain
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Attack Carrier Captain
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_Carrier
The Attack Carrier is a Venomian battleship that serves as the boss for Corneria in the original Star Fox and of the secret route in Star Fox 64. In Star Fox 64, it approaches the Star Fox from behind and tries to collide with Fox McCloud's Arwing. Fox must fly low to avoid this.
Captain Of The Carrier Attack in Star Fox 64.
The Attack Carrier is heavily armored and impervious to Laser fire and Smart Bombs. However, when it opens its hatches to release a salvo of missiles, the player can shoot at the openings to break off the two large missile pods from the right of the ship and the large launch bay to the left of the ship, rendering it vulnerable to weapons fire. However, when its missile pods are destroyed, it fires lasers similar to Sarumarine's and dodges. The Attack Carrier in Star Fox 64 was the true source of enemy reinforcements invading Corneria.
After Fox managed to pull off some advanced moves from arches on the water, Falco spotted the Attack Carrier going beyond the waterfall, and went after it. He also alerted Fox and the rest of the team of his discovery. However, shortly after arriving at the ocean, the Attack Carrier surprises them by moving behind them, forcing the team to drop their altitude. The Star Fox team then attacked the Attack Carrier, and after destroying it's launch bay and missile pods, they then attacked the main ship. After defeating it, the captain demands to know their identities, and then declares that Star Fox will never defeat Andross as his ship plummets into the Ocean.
Name: Pinman
Role: (NEW) Attack Carrier
Team: (NEW) Androssian Army
Victory: (NEW) Andross
You win if the Andross team destroys all the other teams. If you reach a draw, you can agree to a draw.
Personal Objective: (NEW) Destroy at least two named characters.
Ability: (NEW) Murderously murderous murder; with a side of red rum.
"I've got a present for ya"- Working with one other Androssian convert, you can perform a MURDER. You cannot do this alone.
(or)
"It's time to try our new weapon"- Working with one other Androssian convert and Andross himself, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION. Or, with three other Androssian converts, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION.
Allies: Winston Hughes (Andross), no others yet.
Quicktopic: The Brains (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M) http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M
Ship: Attack Carrier
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Androssian Convert- Shogun Droid: TheFlax
You have been scanned and converted by Andross, the BIG BAD and master of the Venomian army. You've been re-recruited and promoted to one of his highest commands. Your victory condition has now changed, and your powers have increased. Your goal is to wipe out everyone besides Andross and other Androssian converts. Your team must be the last one standing. You are now MAFIA.
"Don't party just yet!"
—Shogun Droid
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Shogun Droid
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Shogun
The Shogun is a powerful mech used by the Venomian Army which serves as the end boss for Sector Y in Star Fox 64. It is deployed by the Saruzin attack carrier immediately after the two Shogun Warriors are defeated by the Star Fox Team. Armed with a laser pistol and a shield, the Shogun will fly around the stage and shoot at the Arwings with greater speed and aggression than the Shogun Warriors. Its shield can absorb the Arwings' Laser blasts, but it is relatively fragile, and will break off after taking several hits.
Pilot Of The Shogun in Star Fox 64.
The Shogun is much more agile than the Shogun Warriors and is that much harder to hit, but its pilot makes the huge mistake of periodically landing on the deck of the carrier for short periods of time and shooting at the Arwings while standing still. This makes him an easy target for laser-fire.
Name: TheFlax
Role: (NEW) Shogun Droid
Team: (NEW) Androssian Army
Victory: (NEW) Andross
You win if the Andross team destroys all the other teams. If you reach a draw, you can agree to a draw.
Personal Objective: (NEW) Destroy at least two named characters.
Ability: (NEW) Murderously murderous murder; with a side of red rum.
"I'm comin' for ya!...."- Working with one other Androssian convert, you can perform a MURDER. You cannot do this alone.
(or)
"It's time to try our new weapon"- Working with one other Androssian convert and Andross himself, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION. Or, with three other Androssian converts, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION.
Allies: Winston Hughes (Andross), Pinman (Attack Carrier- deceased), no others yet.
Quicktopic: The Brains (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M) http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M
Ship: Shogun Droid
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Androssian Convert- Rock Crusher: Skooma Addict
You have been scanned and converted by Andross, the BIG BAD and master of the Venomian army. You've been re-recruited and promoted to one of his highest commands. Your victory condition has now changed, and your powers have increased. Your goal is to wipe out everyone besides Andross and other Androssian converts. Your team must be the last one standing. You are now MAFIA.
"I cannot allow you to go any further."
—Rock Crusher Pilot
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Rock Crusher
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Rock_Crusher
The Meteo Crusher (also known as Rock Crusher) is a utility ship designed to, as its name's sake, crush asteroids and planets in the Asteroid Field into dust and extract the raw ore and minerals found within them. These materials would then be transported back to Venomian bases to be refined and later used to construct weapons and starfighters.
Despite being utility vessels, the Meteo Crushers aren't defenseless, having a cluster of four cannons on either end of their structures. Once the cannons are destroyed, however, there is nothing keeping its heavy body secured to the main core inside and it flies off into space exposing itself.
The core is where the minerals are thought to be stored and is the weakest part of the crusher. Its only defense is a single rapid fire cannon at its center.
In Star Fox 64, the Star Fox team is sent to Meteo to take one out.
Name: Skooma Addict
Role: (NEW) Rock Crusher
Team: (NEW) Androssian Army
Victory: (NEW) Andross
You win if the Andross team destroys all the other teams. If you reach a draw, you can agree to a draw.
Personal Objective: (NEW) Destroy at least two named characters.
Ability: (NEW) Murderously murderous murder; with a side of red rum.
"Let's see what you've got!"- Working with one other Androssian convert, you can perform a MURDER. You cannot do this alone.
(or)
"How about...THIS!"- Working with one other Androssian convert and Andross himself, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION. Or, with three other Androssian converts, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION.
Allies: civplayah (Andross), Pinman (Attack Carrier- deceased), TheFlax (Shogun droid- alive)
Quicktopic: The Brains (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M) http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M
Ship: Rock Crusher
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Androssian Convert- Gorgon: Khazaar
You have been scanned and converted by Andross, the BIG BAD and master of the Venomian army. You've been re-recruited and promoted to one of his highest commands. Your victory condition has now changed, and your powers have increased. Your goal is to wipe out everyone besides Andross and other Androssian converts. Your team must be the last one standing. You are now MAFIA.
"Dang.... Deploy it now!"
—Venomian Fleet Commander
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg
Gorgon
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Gorgon
The Gorgon is one of Andross's deadliest weapons that is located in Area 6, and Venom's last defense. It is equipped with a powerful superlaser capable of piercing the crust of a planet or destroying large ships such as Cornerian Cruisers or the Great Fox. The weapon can defend itself from starfighters by firing waves of armor piercing missiles or by extending its three tentacles to physically slam into the target ship. The Gorgon also possesses a Dimension Transport System that enables it to phase in and out of reality, something that scientists have thought to be impossible until now. It served as the last line of defense in Area 6.
The Gorgon spins and moves about in a highly erratic manner somewhat reminiscent of an octopus or squid. As such, it can be speculated that Gorgon is one of Andross's advanced bioweapons that incorporates a sea creature as a machine's living brain. The order by the Area 6 commander to deploy Gorgon as a last resort seems to indicate an inability to control it, lending some credence the idea that Gorgon is such a biomechanical weapon.
Name: Khazaar
Role: (NEW) Gorgon
Team: (NEW) Androssian Army
Victory: (NEW) Andross
You win if the Andross team destroys all the other teams. If you reach a draw, you can agree to a draw.
Personal Objective: (NEW) Destroy at least two named characters.
Ability: (NEW) Murderously murderous murder; with a side of red rum.
"Fire! Fire! Don't let 'em through!"- Working with one other Androssian convert, you can perform a MURDER. You cannot do this alone.
(or)
Hyper beam- Working with one other Androssian convert and Andross himself, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION. Or, with three other Androssian converts, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION.
Allies: civplayah (Andross), Pinman (Attack Carrier- deceased), TheFlax (Shogun droid- alive), Skooma Addict (Rock Crusher- alive)
Quicktopic: The Brains (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M) http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M
Ship: Gorgon
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Androssian Convert- Vulcain: Chaotix
You have been scanned and converted by Andross, the BIG BAD and master of the Venomian army. You've been re-recruited and promoted to one of his highest commands. Your victory condition has now changed, and your powers have increased. Your goal is to wipe out everyone besides Andross and other Androssian converts. Your team must be the last one standing. You are now MAFIA.
"THIS is the enemy Bio-Weapon?"
-Peppy Hare
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Vulcain
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Vulcain
Vulcain is an experimental bioweapon created by the mad scientist Andross, and dwells on the star Solar in the middle of the Lylat System. The creature is able to adapt to extreme temperatures, as is demonstrated by its survival on the red dwarf. Vulcain is also capable of modifying its genetic structure to absorb and alter the molecules of objects in its environment.
Its main modes of offense revolve around the use of its arms and the magma-filled environment around it. It will start off by launching boulder-like objects from its mouth in the player's direction. These boulders can be destroyed by regular laser fire and may leave behind valuable Supply Rings and Smart Bombs. It may also use its scythe-like arms to slash at the player both horizontally and vertically. It also has the ability to dive under magma and cause the lava to bulge out into a tidal wave toward the player's position. The height of this wave varies from medium to screen-filling, making it very difficult to dodge. After Vulcain loses its both arms, it gains 2 new attack types, but becomes unable to use the slashing attack:
Its first new attack involves it spinning out of the lava with magma pouring out of its shoulders and flinging fireballs at the player in downward diagonal patterns. The second attack is its ability to submerge beneath the molten rock and cause flaming boulders to fly out of the magma at the players direction.
Name: Chaotix
Role: (NEW) Vulcain
Team: (NEW) Androssian Army
Victory: (NEW) Andross
You win if the Andross team destroys all the other teams. If you reach a draw, you can agree to a draw.
Personal Objective: (NEW) Destroy at least two named characters.
Ability: (NEW) Murderously murderous murder; with a side of red rum.
Slash- Working with one other Androssian convert, you can perform a MURDER. You cannot do this alone.
(or)
Fire Beam- Working with one other Androssian convert and Andross himself, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION. Or, with three other Androssian converts, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION.
Allies: civplayah (Andross), Pinman (Attack Carrier- deceased), TheFlax (Shogun droid- alive), Skooma Addict (Rock Crusher- alive), Khazaar (Gorgon- alive)
Quicktopic: The Brains (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M) http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M
Ship: None (Bio-weapon)
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Androssian Convert- Granga: Nightbringer
You have been scanned and converted by Andross, the BIG BAD and master of the Venomian army. You've been re-recruited and promoted to one of his highest commands. Your victory condition has now changed, and your powers have increased. Your goal is to wipe out everyone besides Andross and other Androssian converts. Your team must be the last one standing. You are now MAFIA.
"Those who cross Andross, will die!"
—Granga
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Granga
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Granga
Granga is one of Andross' soldiers. He pilots an unnamed mech used to ward off the Star Fox Team on Corneria in the game, Star Fox 64.
Granga is perhaps the easiest of the bosses in Star Fox 64, with easily dodged attacks and few of them at that. Granga's mech fires lasers from two cannons on its underside, homing missiles from pods mounted to its shoulders and the backpack, and energy balls from its head.
edit Weakness
One can easily shoot the legs of this mech to immobilize it, which has the added bonus of disabling the laser cannons, and its head can also be blown off to stop it from firing energy blasts. The missile launchers on its sides can be destroyed, but Granga will still be able to fire missile from its back if its legs are gone. The power supply on its back is its primary weakness, and scoring hits on this vulnerable area is all too easy if Granga is unable to walk around. A few Smart Bombs fired at him will quickly shut his mouth for good. In his defeat he shouts his last words "My emperor! I've failed you!!" as his mech goes up in an explosion.
Name: Nightbringer
Role: (NEW) Granga
Team: (NEW) Androssian Army
Victory: (NEW) Andross
You win if the Andross team destroys all the other teams. If you reach a draw, you can agree to a draw.
Personal Objective: (NEW) Destroy at least one named character.
Ability: (NEW) Murderously murderous murder; with a side of red rum.
Stomp- Working with one other Androssian convert, you can perform a MURDER. You cannot do this alone.
(or)
Missile launch- Working with one other Androssian convert and Andross himself, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION. Or, with three other Androssian converts, you can perform a MURDER through PROTECTION.
Allies: civplayah (Andross), Pinman (Attack Carrier- deceased), TheFlax (Shogun droid- alive), Skooma Addict (Rock Crusher- deceased), Khazaar (Gorgon- alive), Chaotix (Vulcain- alive)
Quicktopic: The Brains (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M) http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/2dwTSK3Axj4M
Ship: Androssian Mech
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Panther Caroso (Cultured Drizzt Fan), upon becoming the new leader of Star Wolf:
"Allow me to introduce myself: I am Panther, and all who see my rose meet death!"
—Panther Caroso
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Panther Caroso
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Panther_Caroso
Panther Caroso (パンサー カルロッソ Pansā Caruroso, Panther Caluroso) is a member of Star Wolf. He becomes infatuated with Krystal at the Sargasso Region, and when Fox fires her in Star Fox Command, Krystal turns to Panther and the rest of Star Wolf. He made his first appearance as the newest member of the Star Wolf team in Star Fox: Assault, taking the place of both Pigma and Andrew. Panther is quite conceited, which often embarrasses those around him, especially his teammates Wolf and Leon. He is also a flirt, and considers himself a ladies' man. As a result, he attempts to flirt with Krystal several times, but she either ignores or outright rejects him depending on the circumstances. His signature symbol is a red rose. This symbol is painted on the side of his Wolfen, making him the only pilot in the series to have any kind of marking on his ship, which distinguishes his Wolfen from those of his teammates.
Name: Cultured Drizzt Fan
Role: Panther Caroso
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (Neutral, for now...)
As a neutral, your objective is to DESTROY THE BIG BAD. This will help ensure your survival.
Personal Objective: Stop at nothing... SLIPPY TOAD MUST DIE. But also, locate Krystal with your scanning equipment.
Ability: You can investigate or perform a murder.
Don't get too cocky, Star Fox. - You can select one target and scan them.
You'll be seeing your dad soon, Fox. - You can select one target and fire, killing them if it works.
Team Star Wolf:
The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.
The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/iZeqCQRbwHaH
Partners:
Wolf O'Donnell- Beskar
Leon Powalski- Secura
Pigma Dengar- Diana Abnoba
Andrew Oikonny- civplayah
Ship: Wolfen
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg
While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move. There's a bounty on your head, and when this crisis is over, the Cornerian Army WILL be gunning for you.
Pigma Dengar (Diana Abnoba), after receiving Fox McCloud's powers upon the death of the Star Fox team
"My beautiful reward! Argghh!"
—Pigma Dengar
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Pigma Dengar
http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Pigma
Pigma Dengar (ピグマ・デンガー Piguma Dengā) was once a member of the legendary Star Fox Team, and later of Star Wolf Team, then the Aparoids after being kicked out by Wolf O'Donnell. Pigma is an exceptionally greedy miser who does not care who he hurts so long as he ends up with a large paycheck in the end. He is also extremely sadistic, as evidenced by his claim of "Daddy screamed REAL good before he died!".
Name: Diana Abnoba
Role: Pigma Dengar
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (neutral)
As a Neutral, your objective is to DESTROY THE BIG BAD. This will help ensure your survival.
As a Neutral, your objective is to either survive the game, or join another team and get new win conditions. But fulfilling your personal objectives guarantees you a minor victory of some kind.
Personal Objective:
Rejoin the Star Wolf mercenary team, survive the game... and you'll be rich!!! They will be looking for you. Just remember that Star Fox has a grudge against you... since you betrayed them and tried to murder Peppy.
Additionally: PEPPY MUST DIE- your score is higher if you outlive Peppy Hare, of the Starfox team.
Ability: (your one-shot defense is used up)
"You've got an enemy on your tail!"- Defense power
"I'll go it alone from here!"- Vigilante power
Team Star Wolf:
The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.
The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/iZeqCQRbwHaH
Partners:
Wolf O'Donnell- Beskar
Leon Powalski- Secura
Panther Caroso- Cultured Drizzt Fan
Andrew Oikonny- civplayah
Ship: Wolfen II
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen2.jpg
While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move. There's a bounty on your head, and when this crisis is over, the Cornerian Army WILL be gunning for you.
So, not only were Star Wolf shafted off from the get-go because the mafia were privy to their QuickTopic and the communications ban meant we couldn't talk anywhere else, but we could have potentially recruited the emergent Big Bad Pigma as well?
Hardest game for myself, Beskar and CDf, tbh. :P
Winston Hughes
07-28-2010, 12:03
Sorry for dropping out. :shame:
Having played nothing but basic townies since I first joined the org, it was infuriating to land a pair of key mafia roles (All Those Pretty Stars being the other) just as RL was getting seriously hectic. I ought to have refused the Big Bad role when ATPG offered me the chance. But, though I explained to him that I wasn't going to be able to dedicate much time, I allowed myself to be convinced that I could handle it. In the event, I found it frustrating and increasingly stressful as I struggled to keep up with events in the thread and the QTs, let alone to figure out what I ought to be doing. I'm not a very confident villain at the best of times, but in this case the role was just too heavy for me.
Anyhow, congratulations to the innocents for a hard fought victory, to the villains for getting within touching distance of the win, and to ATPG for yet another awesome game.
So, not only were Star Wolf shafted off from the get-go because the mafia were privy to their QuickTopic and the communications ban meant we couldn't talk anywhere else, but we could have potentially recruited the emergent Big Bad Pigma as well?
Hardest game for myself, Beskar and CDf, tbh. :P
Star Fox equally shafted, because y'all had objectives to kill them and you just stabbed them all in the back. All in all, glad y'all got knocked off by the end of the game, some divine justice.
Also, I found a post that I absolutely loved in the Star Fox QT:
To add to that point, if the StarWolf team don't have a hidden agenda and Beskar isn't StarWolf but is being the "face" of the team, it was a truly woeful decision by them to have Beskar as their front.
As you can see from the revealed roles, we did have somewhat sinister personal goals; however, with the exception of Fox himself, the mafia completed these personal goals for us (in my case, Romanic/Falco being killed twice!) leaving the majority of Star Wolf to concentrate on the game rather than Whack-A-Fox.
Additionally, I'd like to state that Beskar being the public leader of the group wasn't really through a conscious group choice or because of his role being the de facto leader anyway, but more for necessity really; Drizzty and Diana were heavily lurking, sticking largely to parroted voting patterns that I knew would give them away eventually, and civplayah was obviously non-existent and a constant source of frustration and suspicion for me anyway.
As for myself, there was a point in the game where I lost interest completely; after recruiting Diana, my ability was rendered useless and I basically became a named vanilla role, nothing more than a vote really; after this, it felt as though my opinion didn't matter, and indeed there were a few occasions where my opinion was discarded in favour of non-team members such as Renata and TheFlax. The ban in private communcation only alleviated matters, and I was never going to take charge of Star Wolf efforts both due to a real-life sense of loyalty to Beskar and because a second revealed member would have been stupid considering how much the town/Star Fox seemed to focus on us rather than the real problem at hand.
Part of me thinks that Pizza purposefully picked myself and Beskar for the Wolf and Leon roles; Beskar to be Wolf as it was such a vital role and Beskar's typical way of handling things could possibly function as a source of great amusement for our host; myself to be Leon to see how I would work with Beskar and how long before I'd just crack (look through my posts in-thread and in our QT, you will find the point!)
I have more thoughts on the game, but I'll post them as-and-when they come along. :3
Askthepizzaguy
07-28-2010, 12:37
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Team Rankings:
Cornerian Team (including Star Fox and all town-aligned independents) TOTAL VICTORY
Star Wolf Team (ended game as Neutral) MAJOR VICTORY
Venomian Team (Venomians, neutral Krystal) MINOR VICTORY
Androssian Team (Andross and Converts) MARGINAL DEFEAT
Personal scores:
Scoring System
5 points for a team victory rank 1,
4 points for a team victory rank 2,
3 points for a team victory rank 3,
1 points for a last place finish.
3 points for personally completing personal goals.
2 points for completing personal goals.
1 point for some personal goals completed.
0 points for accomplishing none of your personal goals.
1 point for surviving the game.
1 point for defeating Andross, a faction, or team personally.
Maximum 10 points awarded.
Fox McCloud: Choxorn
5 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
0 points for completing 0 of your personal goals
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a faction.
5 pointsPeppy Hare: Death is Yonder
8 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
3 points for recruiting 3 Star Fox members personally
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a faction.Falco Lombardi: Romanic
6 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
1 point for scanning one VAF member (Miotas)
0 points for dying (twice)
0 points for vanquishing a faction.Slippy Toad: Double A
6 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
1 point for rejoining the Star Fox team
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionGeneral Pepper: Autolycus
10 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
3 points for personally surviving the game, objective completed.
1 point for being alive.
1 point for helping vanquish Andross by vote.Bill Grey: ArpeggiateTHIS
8 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
3 points for vote to lynch Androssian Convert
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionKatt Monroe: Johnhughthom
5 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
0 points for Falco Lombardi not surviving the game
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionROB64: Beefy187
6 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
1 point for halfway completing your personal goal
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionKrystal: Joooray
3 points
3 points for a team victory rank 3
0 points for not being recruited to Star Fox or Star Wolf
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionPigma Dengar: Diana Abnoba
7 points
4 points for a team victory rank 2
2 points for 2/3 objectives completed
0 points for dying
1 point for defeating Andross personallyWolf O'Donnell: Beskar
7 points
4 points for a team victory rank 2
3 points for PERSONALLY killing Fox McCloud
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionLeon Powalski: Secura
7 points
4 points for a team victory rank 2
3 points for locating Pigma and outliving Falco Lombardi
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionPanther Caroso: Cultured Drizzt Fan
5 points
4 points for a team victory rank 2
1 point for outliving Slippy Toad, but failing to locate Krystal.
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionAndross Oikonny: civplayah
5 points
1 point for a last place finish
3 points for personally defeating and outlasting the entire Star Fox team
0 points for dying
1 points for vanquishing Star Wolf personallyAttack Carrier: Pinman
1 point
1 point for a last place finish
0 points for destroying at least 2 named characters
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionShogun Droid: TheFlax
4 points
1 point for a last place finish
3 points for destroying at least 2 named characters (Bill Grey, Slippy Toad)
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionRock Crusher: Skooma Addict
5 points
1 point for a last place finish
3 points for destroying at least 2 named characters (Bill Grey, Slippy Toad)
0 points for dying
1 points for vanquishing a faction (StarFox)Gorgon: Khazaar
4 points
1 point for a last place finish
3 points for destroying at least 2 named characters (Panther, Slippy Toad)
0 points for dying
0 points for vanquishing a factionVulcain: Chaotix
3 points
1 point for a last place finish
1 points for destroying at least 1 named characters (Peppy Hare)
0 points for dying
1 points for vanquishing a faction (StarFox)Granga: Nightbringer
3 points
1 point for a last place finish
1 points for destroying at least 1 named character (Sent in orders to kill Panther Caroso, even though he wasn't needed)
0 points for dying
1 points for vanquishing a faction (His conversion wiped out the Venomian faction)Psychonaut: Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot
10 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
3 points for outnumbering Venomians at end of game
1 points for survival
1 points for vanquishing a faction (lynched final Androssian)wideyedwanderer: Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot
10 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
3 points for outnumbering Venomians at end of game
1 points for survival
1 points for vanquishing a faction (lynched final Androssian)Deceased: Cornerian Defense Forces
8 points
5 points for team victory rank 1
3 points for outnumbering Venomians at end of game
0 points for survival
0 points for vanquishing a factionDeceased: Venomian Assault Forces
3 points
3 points for team victory rank 3
0 points for outnumbering the Cornerians at end of game
0 points for survival
0 points for vanquishing a faction
Pepper 10
Surviving Cornerians 10
Peppy 8
Bill 8
Deceased Cornerians 8
Pigma 7
Wolf 7
Leon 7
Slippy 6
Falco 6
ROB 6
Fox 5
Katt 5
Panther 5
Andrew/Andross 5
Crusher 5
Shogun 4
Gorgon 4
Krystal 3
Vulcain 3
Granga 3
Deceased Venomians 3
Carrier 1
Star Fox equally shafted, because y'all had objectives to kill them and you just stabbed them all in the back. All in all, glad y'all got knocked off by the end of the game, some divine justice.
We had objectives to kill them sure, but we didn't stab them in the back whatsoever; Falco, Slippy and Peppy were all killed by mafia, and Fox was only killed because Beskar genuinely believed Choxorn to be lurking mafia. If you look back at some of my posts, I actually implore Peppy not to reveal himself to anyone; that's definitely the actions of someone who wants him dead, right?
Having seen the role PMs and such, I do believe that Star Fox had an easier game when you compare their abilities to Star Wolf's and the handicaps we started with:
The Big Bad was a member of our team and knew all our identities straight away as they were in his cover role PM
All mafia were privy to our QT, and thus our investigation results, from the get-go
The town wanted to lynch us all based on name/alignment and would do so readily if revealed
The town wanted to lynch Beskar just because he's Beskar
Leon and Panther's abilities become useless once Pigma and Krystal are recruited/dead
Star Fox's, in contrast:
Targetted by Andross, potential targets of Star Wolf
Only started as a group of two, Fox and Peppy
Anything I've missed there? :P
Pigma 7
Wolf 7
Leon 7 Panther 5
Vulcain 3
Looks like Star Wolf had the last laugh after all, Chaotix. :P
autolycus
07-28-2010, 13:05
I'd just like to thank Team Star Wolf for basically winning things for us, by vigging three Androssians in two nights, if I remember correctly. I must say, I'm thanking my lucky stars that they took down you at the same time, otherwise we would have been screwed when you went bad.
I must say, I'm thanking my lucky stars that they took down you at the same time, otherwise we would have been screwed when you went bad.
The funny thing is, the Star Wolf team become mafia because the Cornerians want to bring us to justice for past transgressions in the Lylat System; we're seen as enemies of the 'state' and thus you guys basically make us mafia. xD
Congratulations on coming first, by the way... we gave you guys a good run, but it wasn't meant to be! :P
@ secura: You got to go true mafia if Andross died -- that's a big thing you left out! :)
But yes, what Autolycus said, essentially. As it turns out we needed you and the Androssians to destroy each other in order to win after all our loyal power roles and sources of information were dead, and that's exactly what happened. It would have been nearly impossible for a bunch of living vanilla Cornerians to figure it out fast enough on their own.
Sorry for dropping out. :shame:
Having played nothing but basic townies since I first joined the org, it was infuriating to land a pair of key mafia roles (All Those Pretty Stars being the other) just as RL was getting seriously hectic. I ought to have refused the Big Bad role when ATPG offered me the chance. But, though I explained to him that I wasn't going to be able to dedicate much time, I allowed myself to be convinced that I could handle it. In the event, I found it frustrating and increasingly stressful as I struggled to keep up with events in the thread and the QTs, let alone to figure out what I ought to be doing. I'm not a very confident villain at the best of times, but in this case the role was just too heavy for me.
Anyhow, congratulations to the innocents for a hard fought victory, to the villains for getting within touching distance of the win, and to ATPG for yet another awesome game.
It really is too bad you didn't have time for the role, Winston. You may not be a confident mafia, but you're rather a good one, IMO. I truly hope the .org gets to find that out firsthand one day.
It would have been nearly impossible for a bunch of living vanilla Cornerians to figure it out fast enough on their own.
I couldn't agree more; the town was right in wanting to lynch us... they just needed to deal with Andross first.
I'm keen to see what Beskar thinks now that he's permitted to post again; I'm going to see him later today, so I'll poke him and get him to post his thoughts. :3
Congrats to Team Star Wolf and Town, very well played at the endgame.
We did our best, but things started to spiral out of control after the Frozen in Ice kill mistake.
Death is yonder
07-28-2010, 15:22
I couldn't agree more; the town was right in wanting to lynch us... they just needed to deal with Andross first.
That was all it was, cautionary for the future, discrediting Beskar somewhat. If you noticed some of the more subtle posts in the QT, it was basically stating that we should vig you in anticipation for the future conflict.
Could have gone very badly, but we hit Diana, who I wasn't strong enough to take down, then Skooma, which was a massive boon for the town.
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Comments on the Game:
Thank you very much Pizza for this wild and exhilarating roller-coaster ride from start to finish. It wasn't easy taking over a StarFox team where both original members were inactive from the start. Things started getting interesting when practically every of our recruits/recruitables were revealed in thread.
The Beefy incident was an interesting experience, apologies for lynching you Beefy, but this was the situation :bow:
You claimed Rob
We investigated and protected you
Blocked kill was not shown
Thought you were guilty
Falco died as a result of all these actions that would have otherwise helped his survival
So well.. we lynched you :embarassed:
Also, @Mafia team, I'm wondering how my plan worked?
After my whole team died, I decided to take a more active stance.
Main Goals:
Discredit Beskar to prevent possible capitalization on this fact once Androssian team is dead (If soon)
Direct attention to possibility of Beskar being scum after all those naughty things like bringing attention to me and Choxorn.
If suspected of being Peppy, hope that a few rounds of being active would give rise to an aura of confidence and "protect myself" through jedi mind tricks for a few rounds
Get the game rolling and avoid getting lynched as a suspect (because I'm a replacement? Darn).
Anyway, it was extremely gratifying to be a part of this town victory and contribute to it. It was also very satisfying to vig Skooma to tip the odds back in our favor :wink:
And now, some gems from the Androssian QT that I found quite funny (Not to mock you guys :bow:)
AskthepizzaguyPerson was signed in when posted 431
07-24-2010 09:41 PM ET (US)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.p...wfull=1#post2526962
I swear to god, if the town loses this game due to UPPERCASE P, then I officially declare myself psychic for posting the "pevergreen rant"
I guess the difference between uppercase and lowercase P is more important than I realized. Holy crap this is hilarious.
Heh Psycho :clown:
Chaotix27Person was signed in when posted 397
07-23-2010 09:32 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 07-23-2010 09:33 PM
I am glad to have served Andross in the way that I did... I know my role was crucial in getting us here and I am satisfied with that.
Now I just have to wait for the rest of Star Wolf to be killed off before I can make my childishly triumphant victory post in their quicktopic.
Then will my REVENGE be COMPLETE.
Good game guys :bow:, but maybe you were counting your chickens before they hatched :wink:
Chaotix27Person was signed in when posted 347
07-21-2010 12:19 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 07-21-2010 12:20 AM
I think Peppy might even be more inclined to protect Gen. Pepper than to attack someone- I'm certain there's gotta be something about that in his victory conditions.
If that's the case, we may get off without him vig-killing anyone.
Oh BTW I confirm those orders Pinman or whoever sent and forwarded to me. In the future, I will always accept such orders lol.
Only here because instead of doing that I ended up vigging Diana/Skooma.
Pinman 280
07-18-2010 12:36 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 07-18-2010 12:36 PM
Since Beskar isn't dangerous, it was Landlubber or DIY, and we can't be positive DIY isn't protected somehow.
Looks like we were right as to why no Star wolf member was attacked for the better part of the game eh Beskar? :tongue:
Flax 272
07-18-2010 10:17 AM ET (US)
DiY is probably a power role, would be nice to get rid of him while we don't do multiple kill, because if he's peppy, he might be protecting himself.
Whew, in fact, I had no means of protecting myself except reverse psychology :P
Last but not least [In fact quite the contrary]!!
Skooma 269
07-18-2010 04:11 AM ET (US)
Ok, scan Autolycus, kill Frozen in Ice is my suggestion. Might as well kill him through protection while we're at it. No reason not to. Beskar has decided to investigate nightbringer.
Well done mafia team, you guys played a fantastic game :bow:
If not for last ditch efforts that successfully nailed you guys, you would have cruised to the finish line :yes:
My sympathies though, if you killed someone else instead of Frozen in Ice, you guys might have won, but I hope you guys aren't kicking yourself over that one, because nevertheless, you guys gave it your all, even when the town vote was near unanimous against you in the final rounds.
Bravo :bow:
And most importantly of them all:
Thank you very much to ATPG for hosting this game, should circumstances force you to take a hiatus from mafia and the .org, then be proud that this game was your final one, and that you went with a bang :bow:
Cultured Drizzt fan
07-28-2010, 15:30
Thanks for the fun game Atpg! Man was it fun being Panther. :tongue: Surprised I lasted as long as I did with me acting so lurky.
JOOORAY!!!!!! I spent every night looking for krystal and then she just turns up Vigged. Man was that annoying :tongue: Although its not really your fault.
Oh, I just wanted to say major props to DiY -- if you not killed Skooma, things would have been very different. Nice shooting. :)
The Beefy incident was an interesting experience, apologies for lynching you Beefy, but this was the situation :bow:
You claimed Rob
We investigated and protected you
Blocked kill was not shown
Thought you were guilty
Falco died as a result of all these actions that would have otherwise helped his survival
So well.. we lynched you :embarassed:
Also, @Mafia team, I'm wondering how my plan worked?
We were going to kill Beefy the next night. With the reviver exposed, I thought that Romanic would be an easier target and I think that by the next night, we could kill through protection.
I'm half expecting Psychonaut and khaan are baiting us to see our reaction, because I can't fathom why they would lynch autolycus over the almost certainly mafioso Khazaar and Nightbringer.
Heh. I was kinda baiting auto, not you guys. His posting style was consistent throughout the game, and some pressure to see if he slipped up was necessary. Then when khaz came and posted that round it was a no-brainer, his post had the same style as chaotix's the round before, obviously I was barking up the wrong tree.
Heh. I was kinda baiting auto, not you guys. His posting style was consistent throughout the game, and some pressure to see if he slipped up was necessary. Then when khaz came and posted that round it was a no-brainer, his post had the same style as chaotix's the round before, obviously I was barking up the wrong tree.
After Beskar giving false targets in the Star Wolf QT earlier, and then ending up with Civplayah and me dying, I was leery of any hope. These last few rounds were pretty brutal on us. (Though we deserved it :clown:)
johnhughthom
07-28-2010, 17:32
Great game Pizza, nice to play something different.
I think even though we were the most disadvantaged team in this game, Team Star Wolf pulled off a feat akin to walking on Water to deny the Mafia any victory. Poor Chaotix, he didn't get his revenge afterall.
Nightbringer
07-28-2010, 19:22
Great game ATPG, and everyone else! I can't imagine a better way to start playing mafia games. I managed to come onto the mafia team right at the beginning of everything going wrong. I hope I didn't come off winey towards the end about getting targeted but i was just doing anything I could to try to deflect votes, even if it was only by making people feel guilty.
Thanks for letting me go all the way to the end guys! I look forward to playing another game with you all.
And i really was convinced you were mafia before i got converted auto.
:party3: We win! :balloon3::balloon3::balloon3:
A big thank you to ATPG for this fantastic game, that had me going even after I died. :pleased:
***
Thanks to my teammates, Choxorn, DiY, Double A and JHT. It was a pleasure working with you guys. Team Star Wolf may say otherwise but we know that we saved the game when we killed Skooma on Night 11 :smug2:
***
Congrats to all the blues with whom we won and a special congrats to our three survivors Auto, Psycho and WEW (and khaan) who made the crucial votes in the last 2 turns.
***
Good game Team Star Wolf, our enemies. I am so glad that you are all dead. :laugh4: It's a strange result that we share the victory with you, even if you would have turned against us. In the end we needed you to win, so thank you for that.
***
And good game Andross, you almost had us. :sweatdrop: I feel we we're lucky somehow.
Thanks to everyone, it was a pleasure playing with you!
***
And a special note to Beskar, who's kept reminding me (and is still doing it) how Star Wolf was better, and how wrong I was, when I was:
Cornerian Team (including Star Fox and all town-aligned independents) TOTAL VICTORY
Star Wolf Team (ended game as Neutral) MAJOR VICTORY
Total Victory for us, Major victory for you. PEW PEW PEW! :laugh4:
Cultured Drizzt fan
07-28-2010, 21:18
:party3: We win! :balloon3::balloon3::balloon3:
A big thank you to ATPG for this fantastic game, that had me going even after I died. :pleased:
***
Thanks to my teammates, Choxorn, DiY, Double A and JHT. It was a pleasure working with you guys. Team Star Wolf may say otherwise but we know that we saved the game when we killed Skooma on Night 11 :smug2:
***
Congrats to all the blues with whom we won and a special congrats to our three survivors Auto, Psycho and WEW (and khaan) who made the crucial votes in the last 2 turns.
***
Good game Team Star Wolf, our enemies. I am so glad that you are all dead. :laugh4: It's a strange result that we share the victory with you, even if you would have turned against us. In the end we needed you to win, so thank you for that.
***
And good game Andross, you almost had us. :sweatdrop: I feel we we're lucky somehow.
Thanks to everyone, it was a pleasure playing with you!
***
And a special note to Beskar, who's kept reminding me (and is still doing it) how Star Wolf was better, and how wrong I was, when I was:
Total Victory for us, Major victory for you. PEW PEW PEW! :laugh4:
Bah, your lucky we would even let you take halfsies! You may have Killed Skooma, but it was only due to Star wolfs quick thinking and attacking of Andross that the town managed to bounce from the jaws of defeat :laugh4: You got that total Victory on OUR broken backs!
Double A
07-28-2010, 22:24
"Fox, I got six points! Does this mean I get to be a character in Super Smash Bros 4? We need another Landmaster smash, right?"
"Fox, I got six points! Does this mean I get to be a character in Super Smash Bros 4? We need another Landmaster smash, right?"
I would have loved the LANDMASTA making a guest appearance, that would have been fun. :P
Diana Abnoba
07-29-2010, 00:25
@ DIY
Yeah, aren't you glad your attack on me didn't work, huh!
(the night that we got Andross, I kept things off the QT. It was just CDF and myself left. We made plans via PM, so civplayah wouldn't have that info).
Nightbringer
07-29-2010, 00:34
@ DIY
Yeah, aren't you glad you attack on me didn't work, huh!
(the night that we got Andross, I kept things off the QT. It was just CDF and myself left. We made plans via PM, so civplayah wouldn't have that info).
wait... isn't that against the game's rules
or are players on a team together allowed to pm
wait... isn't that against the game's rules
or are players on a team together allowed to pm
I believed this myself too, but Beskar informed me that members of the same team were allowed to speak via PM if they wished; had I known this sooner, I'd have stopped posting in the QT altogether weeks ago, though it may not have stopped Beskie. :3
Beefy187
07-29-2010, 01:05
Thats ok DiY. Bad performance on my side, I've got nothing against you lot :bow:
Every cunning plan to survive as long as I could so I can use up all my reviving back fired on me :laugh4:
Great game as always Pizza man :2thumbsup:
Loved the write ups, the general atmosphere and my role.
Askthepizzaguy
07-29-2010, 01:07
To me, contacting in-person, over the phone, by IM, PM, email, snail mail or Quicktopic is all the same.... off-thread communication.
What was illegal was private reveals, revealing new info after death, and later on, people who did not have access to those quicktopics could not privately communicate with each other. Which meant that yes, you could PM your own team members or post on known quicktopics. Unfortunately as a game host sometimes I don't spell things out as precisely as I could.
There is more commentary to come. I want to reveal my thoughts about certain posts, strategies, and give some commendations and razzie awards. :tongue2:
Double A
07-29-2010, 01:40
So Star Wolf, if they found out Andrew was evil, could have communicated by PM or started a new QT?
wideyedwanderer
07-29-2010, 02:03
That was awesome. We rocked Cornerians!~:grouphug:~:applause:
And you did OK too, team Star Wolf.
I'm considering this a great victory for myself. I actually survived the game, when it looked like I was going to get lynched a couple times. Plus I got 10 points, and most importantly, the town won. This may not ever happen to me again in a mafia game, so I'm gonna enjoy it.
though it may not have stopped Beskie. :3
Why would I waste the opportunity for counter-intelligence?
Nothing was more poetic justice, than the mafia reading our QT going "Yes Yes Yes, they are going to kill WEW and Autolycus!!", they even made me MVP for team Andross. :tongue:
pevergreen
07-29-2010, 02:09
I lost interest quickly after those that were dead skeeted around the rules. I don't like people that do that.
The only real question left standing, is why did you post the anti pevergreen post ATPG?
WHY COULD I NOT DEFEND MYSELF
Double A
07-29-2010, 02:14
By the way Beskar, remember the night I died? Yeah, I was protected by Fox and had my G-Diffuser activated. Yeah. He got through both.
Yeah. He got through both.
It could have been avoided had you just pulled a barrel roll... :/
Askthepizzaguy
07-29-2010, 02:20
I lost interest quickly after those that were dead skeeted around the rules. I don't like people that do that.
The only real question left standing, is why did you post the anti pevergreen post ATPG?
WHY COULD I NOT DEFEND MYSELF
We joke because we love.
I had to get you back for all those ATPG talks too much/is annoying comments you've made over the years. :clown:
seireikhaan
07-29-2010, 02:31
Might I ask why out of thread communication was forbidden to anyone not explicitly given on "team fox/wolf/andross"? I ask because I feel like.. how to say. It felt very frustrating early/mid game and I pretty much took it out on Beskar. :shame: It felt like "well, sorry if you didn't get a good role, you get to follow what what your boss says because he know better than you," for a while, and then it all kinda came apart by the end, but that was more because everyone was dead. :shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
07-29-2010, 02:55
Might I ask why out of thread communication was forbidden to anyone not explicitly given on "team fox/wolf/andross"? I ask because I feel like.. how to say. It felt very frustrating early/mid game and I pretty much took it out on Beskar. :shame: It felt like "well, sorry if you didn't get a good role, you get to follow what what your boss says because he know better than you," for a while, and then it all kinda came apart by the end, but that was more because everyone was dead. :shrug:
I'd prefer to speak for myself on these matters, Beskar.
Rulebreak: Player reveals privately to another Player, which was explicit. He reveals publicly minutes before I WOG him, sparing his life. :sweatdrop: Close call!
Strong warning was given to all
Rulebreak: Player hints a bit too strongly that player is a power role in private, though it is very clear from the context that this player was just trying to get another player to look at her posts.
Private communications are banned entirely. It is only because this player attempted to play by the rules and it is clear that it was an honest mistake, not a clear rulebreak, that she wasn't WOG'ed as well. Which would have made me feel like poop, btw, but I would have had to. Final warning was given: any further rulebreaks would result in immediate WOG and/or ban.
Rulebreak: further private communications take place, and I catch wind of it. Those responsible are removed from the game and warned to cease and desist.
It is because of multiple rulebreaks that everyone got their private message privileges taken away. The balance of this game is affected by private reveals, it creates a larger pro-town network which sucks away all the mystery and challenge of the game.
As for the helplessness of the town, and having to follow instructions from the pro-town roles: As you saw, sometimes they have no idea what they are talking about, and it's entirely possible that know-nothing townies can pick a suspect and try to get a wagon rolling on that person. You can also pressure vote with other people claiming to be basic townies. You can also falsely claim something so you get murdered, which spares pro-town roles. There are a lot of strategies you can employ... and since the pro-town or power roles were also mostly clueless all game long, no need to feel too bad.
You're not obligated to listen to any power role. And, vote pattern analysis might help determine your innocence if you accidentally wagon a mafia scumbag early on in a round, because that tends to indicate that you actually want someone dead, rather than a first vote or a late late vote. Being independent allows analysis to take place, whereas constant bandwagons give you nothing to analyze.
The balance of this game is affected by private reveals, it creates a larger pro-town network which sucks away all the mystery and challenge of the game.
I hope that everyone playing TAS takes stock of this; you're ruining the game for yourselves by breaking the rules too. :P
"You're not obligated to listen to any power role."
Problem is, if they are giving out investigation results, there is no point lynching known innocents. Allow the mafia to deal with them. Even if you attempt to say about the conversion mechanism, I had good feeling earlier about it and I pretty much said "We could go back and kill them, and they might be mafia, or we could go forward and get the convertor."
Sigh, I only got 5 points. I wish I'd used my Vigilante kill more, but I didn't have any kill targets early on, and later I had to protect john and Double A all the time or they'd get killed. Actually, they'd get killed anyway, but we didn't realize that until after Andross hit through both my protection and the G-Diffuser. Then I died one night after that without ever having had the chance to use that ability.
Thank you Androssians and Star Wolf for killing each other so we didn't have to. :bow:
Next time I'm going to lynch Beskar just on principle, because no townie should be allowed to act that scummy. :laugh4:
Looks like Star Wolf had the last laugh after all, Chaotix. :P
Actually...
Deceased Cornerians 8
I was sure to win one way or the other. You never stood a chance. ~;p
I was sure to win one way or the other. You never stood a chance. ~;p
'cept we never gave a toss about Cornerians, they were neither here nor there. :P
Double A
07-29-2010, 06:14
It could have been avoided had you just pulled a barrel roll... :/
Pizza took that away because I was abusing it.
JOOORAY!!!!!! I spent every night looking for krystal and then she just turns up Vigged. Man was that annoying :tongue: Although its not really your fault.
Yeah, well, I was trying my best to get investigated without role claiming. I had a hard time to come up with a way of doing that, especially after all private communications were forbidden. (I did not contact anyone before that, because I wasn't sure what would count as a private role claim.)
The best thing I could come up with, was to act as scummy as I could and hope that anybody that has played mafia with me before knows I rarely draw attention to myself and am able to cruise along quite handsomely and thus investigate me, rather than killing or lynching me. Apparently Secura caught that, but Beskar was too focused on the killing pattern! Well your loss, because at that point Star Fox seemed to be in such a disarray that I really just wanted to join Star Wolf. :shrug:
Congrats to the town :)
We tried our best, but a few small mistakes lost this for us. It wasn't just the Frozen in Ice thing - Flax and I should have killed DIY with our remaining kill that round.
'cept we never gave a toss about Cornerians, they were neither here nor there. :P
I guess that's why we won. :wink2:
Congrats to the town :)
We tried our best, but a few small mistakes lost this for us. It wasn't just the Frozen in Ice thing - Flax and I should have killed DIY with our remaining kill that round.
You were already dead by that point.
You were already dead by that point.
I was still very active for the Androssian side. Sending in orders, ect.
Yeah, checking the Mafia QT, its easy to see that Pinman was one of our most active members.
Pinman's a threat even if he's bees hit with more missiles than physically possible.
Askthepizzaguy
07-30-2010, 14:02
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ENDGAME COMMENTARY
Part II
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Game Design:
I like the idea of cults, but they are overpowered unless there are vigilantes to counter their ever-increasing power, or have some weakness that makes them lame. Here, I envisioned a cult so powerful, that it could start off with just one member and eventually threaten a large game with victory.
The issues with this are:
There's a chance that the cult leader/converter dies before the cult gets large enough to be a threat, due to the vigilante who is needed for balance.
Someone who begins the game with no allies is easy lynch fodder in the early rounds, if they are unfortunate enough to be chosen randomly that early.
With a themed game like this, I felt compelled to give some of the big name people some powers, but that makes things even more difficult on the cult leader.
Investigations cause severe headaches on a team that's very small to start with.
The cult would need to be able to murder as well as convert, in order to counter investigators and power roles.
There has to be a murder or else a game this size will drag on too long.
There has to be a murder or else people will know right away there's likely a cult.
If everyone is convertible, then you'll find a mafia that has 8 members by round 7, and then the game is basically over.
To balance out these things, I made the cult leader the most powerful mafia role I have ever designed.
The ability to murder AND investigate or convert.
Needs to be lynched twice to die, or vigilante killed once.
Undetectable by most scans, himself. His cult members are much easier to detect through scan, even by the weak investigators. (Going from neutral to non-neutral or Venomian to non-Venomian is almost the same as being guilty, especially if you can't claim to be part of Star Fox or Star Wolf. So yes, Fox and friends could look for guilty parties in spite of their handicapped investigative powers.) And then Wolf himself can easily scan for converts.
Making him an unlikely choice for at least one of the vigilantes, by adding him to the same quicktopic as one of them. This still leaves him vulnerable to one stray shot from Star Fox's team. No warning, just instant death.
Roughly a third of the game was convertible, and many of them could be scanned and then converted afterward.
No matter what Wolf O'Donnell does, it tends to help Andross win. So that means it is really up to Fox to take down Andross.
If Wolf investigates and finds power roles, Andross could risk it and murder those roles. If Wolf investigates and finds cornerians, Andross isn't too concerned with wiping them out immediately and doesn't have to waste one of his own scans on that one. If Wolf investigates and finds Venomians, then Andross can simply risk it and convert them directly without a scan of his own. If Wolf kills anyone but members of Andross' cult, Wolf is helping Andross win the game.
Now, Star Wolf is basically screwed. I needed to balance that out.
If Star Wolf converts Pigma and Krystal, Star Wolf actually becomes more of a threat to Andross, because then they will be able to figure out through all those investigation results, shared with the Fox team, that Andross is not among those scanned, and therefore is probably an infiltrator in either group. Then, when Andross has to later take down Star Wolf, it will take more shots. If Wolf finds Androssian converts and lynches them, he starts to look awfully innocent to the town, while simultaneously reducing Andross' power. If Andross gets desperate and has to remove Star Wolf, it will become too obvious that one of them is killing the others.... especially if they hadn't been targeting the Wolf team all game, and now suddenly, they get it all correct. That indicates an infiltrator.
Subtle clues that something is awry.
The Personal Goals: Wolf has personal goal to defeat Fox. (Makes sense, given their history, and who fights whom in the game) Leon has a personal goal to defeat Falco (Makes sense, given their history, and who fights whom in the game). Pigma has a personal goal to defeat Peppy (Makes sense, given their history, and who fights whom in the game). Panther wants to defeat Slippy.... which is odd, because it is Andrew who has the rivalry with Slippy. Andrew's stated personal goal is to defeat General Pepper, which is just a little off. Intentionally; that's someone that Andross himself would actually want to defeat, given what General Pepper actually does in this game.
Beskar notices that this seems off, as do others.
Andrew being Andross is not entirely unexpected, given that he's Andross' nephew, and was always, ALWAYS loyal to Andross. He even goes after Fox in an Andross-look-alike space weapon that gets defeated by the Aparoids in Star Fox: Assault. So there will always be suspicion that Andrew is either convertible by Andross, or somehow feeding him information, or possibly Andross in disguise.
Beskar conceives of the possibility very early on in the game, but was distracted when Winston got replaced, and the Andross kills never were interrupted.
Diana reads up on Andross and feels the same way.
Secura doesn't trust Andrew either.
Andrew's stated special ability: Immune to most investigations.
Wolf's stated special ability: Is capable of detecting Andross upon investigation.
Both Beskar and Diana raised their eyebrows high when they heard this.
Why doesn't Wolf's team ever get attacked by Andross? :inquisitive:
Diana noticed this. Heck, the entire town noticed this one. :idea2:
Why does Andross' murder never hit the same target as Wolf? :inquisitive:
This was always in the back of your head. It almost seemed like Wolf and Andross were working together.... and it was true.
Why can't Wolf ever detect someone who has been converted by Andross? :inquisitive:
Beskar realizes this late in the game, and several people start to not trust the scanned Venomians.... just in time.
Why is Wolf the only person who can detect Andross, but he hasn't found Andross? :inquisitive:
This one was on everyone's mind.... the later it got into the game, the more apparent it was. People started coming up with the idea that Wolf was infiltrated, even when they were basic townies and dead Fox members.
The game rules state that anyone could be Andross.
No one reads the game rules. :wink: That's why I can put vital information there. *whistles innocently*
Giving the town a fighting chance.
Star Fox had an incredible array of scans, conversions, protections, and vigilante powers, and a weak self-protecting mechanism. If only they hadn't revealed half of their members....:bigcry:
A reviver. I almost NEVER give out those roles, because they seem unbalanced. When I give out a reviver, I've made it a VERY challenging game, so it balances something BIG.
The powers most essential to defeating a cult, (Beskar's true investigation, Beskar's vigilante power, Fox's vigilante power, Fox's protection) were transferred to members of their group upon death, creating 2 nearly permanent vigilantes. This means taking out suspected converts was a cinch, and could be done quickly. Then if one group died, they had the option of giving it to the other group.
One of those vigilantes could randomly hit Andross, in spite of all his advantages. But that was not to be.... That vigilante was also probably inclined to destroy Star Wolf, which would have had a secondary effect of weakening Andross' unwitting allies and making him more vulnerable to the lynch.
If Wolf, or people on the wolf team, follow up on their suspicions and just.... scan.... Andrew, they've found Andross. And, Andrew doesn't know about it because they won't blurt it out in the quicktopic. So then, the next night, Wolf murders Andross, and the Wolf team turns mafia, while looking like heroes.
Seriously..... the various paths this game could take make me sizzle. :bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
07-30-2010, 15:31
Also, I can't believe this (http://www.carfax.com) one hasn't been done before. *Ahem*
Can't let you do that....
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CAR FOX!!!
civplayah
07-30-2010, 16:23
Well, dang. Who killed me, a vig?
By the way, I always 'lurk'. Although I don't consider it lurking, because it's normal for me. I'm sick of people putting me down because I lurk. It's what I do, it's not how I act any different in any other game.
Well, dang. Who killed me, a vig?
By the way, I always 'lurk'. Although I don't consider it lurking, because it's normal for me. I'm sick of people putting me down because I lurk. It's what I do, it's not how I act any different in any other game.
Pigma (Diana Abnoba killed you because Team Star Wolf had grown very suspicious of you.
Well, dang. Who killed me, a vig?
By the way, I always 'lurk'. Although I don't consider it lurking, because it's normal for me. I'm sick of people putting me down because I lurk. It's what I do, it's not how I act any different in any other game.
True, but Winston was lurking before you were. There's always something wrong if Winston is lurking.
Wonder if Winston has any more sympathy for me now in my triple-agent role over at CFC, the one where I slipped up and had to kill him for it. ;)
Winston Hughes
07-30-2010, 21:41
Wonder if Winston has any more sympathy for me now in my triple-agent role over at CFC, the one where I slipped up and had to kill him for it. ;)
No.
Askthepizzaguy
08-01-2010, 11:29
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LYLAT WARS
ENDGAME COMMENTARY
Part III
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Turn by turn commentary
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Day One:
136 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2505926&viewfull=1#post2505926): Alexander the Pretty Good votes for Cultured Drizzt Fan. See? You can hit "mafia" on round one randomly, even in big games. But of course, no bandwagon, no lynch, no danger.
150 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2506036&viewfull=1#post2506036): Johnhughthom votes for Winston Hughes. Jackpot! Sadly, no bandwagon. Sorry, Diana, no Pigma turning into the Aparoid leader today.
165 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2506168&viewfull=1#post2506168): Winston Hughes votes for Johnhughthom in retaliation.... OMGUS vote from the only true mafioso in the game... on round one. OMG is right.... the trope is true! Sadly, no one picks up on this stereotypically scummy response, by an actual scum.
Nothing else of interest.
Official tally:
11 No Lynch: (shlin28, TheFlax, civplayah, Pinman, Beefy187, miotas, Seon, landlubber. remake20, hell_hound, CDF)
8 pevergreen : (Diana Abnoba, Secura, Arpeggiate, choxorn, wideye, YLC, Renata, Chaotix)
2 remake20: (Khazaar, autolycus)
2 Wideye: (joooray, pever)
2 JHT: (Winston Hughes, Double A)
2 Yaseikhaan: (Beskar, Stuck in Pi)
2 TheFlax: (Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)
1 Frozen in Ice: (Nightbringer)
1 White_Eyes: (Romanic)
1 Chaotix: (Frozen in Ice)
1 Double A: (Skooma Addict)
1 Kadagar: (DIY)
1 Winston: (JHT)
1 shlin28: (ATPGood)
2 abstain: (Splitpersonality, merciary)
8 did not vote: (Kadagar_AV, Krill, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, White_Eyes:D)
Night One:
splitpersonality (Fox McCloud) protects Peppy
remake20 (Peppy Hare) scans Chaotix
Romanic (Falco Lombardi) scans Renata
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans Beefy187
Beefy187 (ROB 64) cannot revive anyone yet.
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) kills pevergreen
Secura (Leon Powalski) scans Chaotix
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans Double A
Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross) scans Pinman and kills Death is Yonder
Fox protects Peppy.
Peppy scans Chaotix, does not find Fox Member.
Falco scans Renata, does not find Venomian Fighter.
Slippy scans Beefy187, does not find neutral.
ROB64 does nothing.
Wolf kills pevergreen, thinking he was Falco.
Leon scans Chaotix, does not find Pigma.
Panther scans Double A, does not find Krystal.
Andross kills Death is Yonder (CDF forces)
Andross scans Pinman, finds Venomian Assault Force. Just needs to recruit Pinman next round.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar- recruitable
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. splitpersonality Fox McCloud
8. remake20 Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- recruitable
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. Rob_the_Celt Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. White_Eyes:D Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. YLC Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Venomian Assault Forces
29. Pinman Venomian Assault Forces
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. merciary Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. Kadagar_AV Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Venomian Assault Forces
36. Khazaar Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Day Two:
Already I see I'm going to have inactive players. So, those who died early and were basic townie/neutral will be eligible to continue play as a new role, until the game is halfway over.
Kadagar_AV is replaced by God Emperor.
Giant bandwagon on civplayah for absolutely no reason.
275 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2507971&viewfull=1#post2507971): Andross votes for civplayah and highlights something that could be construed as scummy, I suppose.
Once the wagon gets rolling, it becomes unstoppable. People, for lack of better suspects, are content with a "at least it isn't me" lynch. And hey, civplayah's post wasn't very constructive. And so, a basic role gets the wagon.
Official tally:
civplayah: 12 (Winston, ATPGood, CDF, wideye, Double A, Yasei, landlubber, merciary, God Emperor, choxorn, Skooma Addict, Chaotix)
shlin28: 4 (Renata, Secura, YLC, splitpersonality)
Renata: 4 (Seon [did not unvote], Frozen In Ice, Beskar, TheFlax)
wideyedwanderer: 3 (johnhughthom, Yaropolk, Nightbringer)
White_Eyes: 2 (Diana Abnoba, Romanic)
Beefy187: 1 (ArpeggiateTHIS, Khazaar)
Nictel: 1 (autolycus)
YLC: 1 (miotas)
landlubber: 1 (shlin28)
Arpeggiate: 1 (Beefy187)
Autolycus: 1 (Pinman)
Krill: 1 (Krill)
No Lynch: 1 (civplayah)
abstain: 3 (Rob_the_Celt, hell_hound, Nictel)
Did Not Vote: 4 (Joooray, remake20, Stuck in Pi, White_eyes)
Nobody voted for any scum this round. :book:
Night Two:
splitpersonality (Fox McCloud) defends remake20
remake20 (Peppy Hare) scans Nightbringer
Romanic (Falco Lombardi) scans ArpeggiateTHIS
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans wideyedwanderer
Beefy187 (ROB 64) cannot revive anyone yet.
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Investigates TheFlax
Secura (Leon Powalski) scans YLC
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans YLC
Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross) scans Romanic and kills choxorn
Fox protects Peppy
Peppy scans Nightbringer, does not find Fox member
Falco scans ArpeggiateTHIS, does not find Venomian assault Forces.
Slippy scans wideyedwanderer, does not find Neutral.
Wolf scans TheFlax, finds Venomian fighter.
Leon scans YLC, does not find Pigma
Panther scans YLC, does not find Krystal
Andross scans Romanic, does not find recruitable.
Andross kills Choxorn (CDF forces)
A little surprised Winston didn't just recruit Pinman this round. :inquisitive: But whichever. You never know when you're going to die; it's risky not to recruit.
I suppose if Pinman got scanned this very night, waiting until later to recruit would be good.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar- recruitable
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. splitpersonality Fox McCloud
8. remake20 Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- recruitable
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. Rob_the_Celt Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. YLC Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Venomian Assault Forces
29. Pinman Venomian Assault Forces
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. merciary Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Venomian Assault Forces
36. Khazaar Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Day Three
Giant wagons on shlin28 and WEW, and once again, nobody voted for any scum. Discussion was a little dry, too.
Official tally:
shlin28- (12) Renata, Secura, autolycus, Double A, CDF, landlubber [did not unvote], Beskar, DIY, Seon, Joooray, Diana Abnoba, hell_hound
WEW- (10) JHT, Chaotix, Pinman, Miotas, Romanic, Nightbringer, Skooma Addict, Yaseikhaan, Alexander the Pretty Good, Beefy187
Krill- (2) TheFlax, Yaropolk
Rob_the_Celt- (1) God Emperor
JHT- (1) WEW
God Emperor (1) Khazaar
YLC (1) shlin28
abstain- (1) Krill
Did Not Vote: (9) Frozen in Ice, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Stuck in Pi, White_Eyes:D, Winston Hughes, YLC
Night Three
splitpersonality (Fox McCloud) defends Renata (CDF)
DIY (Peppy Hare) scans Diana Abnoba (not recruitable)
Romanic (Falco Lombardi) scans Miotas (VAF) but is destroyed.
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans Romanic (not neutral)
Beefy187 (ROB 64) cannot revive anyone (yet)
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Kills Chaotix (CDF)
Secura (Leon Powalski) scans Romanic (Not Pigma)
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans Nictel (Not Krystal)
Winston Hughes (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) recruits Pinman and kills Romanic (Falco)
Pinman (Attack Carrier) is recruited.
The Wolf team is struggling to find any of their members. Their shots in the dark are also troubling.... you never know who you're going to kill.
More basic townies dead means more replacement players.
Falco dying gives Beefy something to do. Mighty Beef Powers, Activate!!!
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar- recruitable
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. splitpersonality Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- recruitable
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. Rob_the_Celt Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. YLC Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Venomian Assault Forces
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. merciary Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Venomian Assault Forces
36. Khazaar Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Day Four
Ooh boy. Finally some action!!!
Post 480 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2511852&viewfull=1#post2511852): Never ever ever make posts like this, as town or mafia. Mafia do it too often, people know this, and that means good-bye. Now Pinman looks guilty, and he just got recruited! To be fair, he made this post before he knew he was even scum. Sad, isn't it?
Post 481 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2511858&viewfull=1#post2511858): This vote is a winner. Lucky, lucky shot.
484 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2511865&viewfull=1#post2511865): Pinman OMGUS votes Beskar. A running theme.... the Andross team is very OMGUS-y.
495 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2512064&viewfull=1#post2512064): Yaropolk correctly adds pressure to Pinman.
499 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2512147&viewfull=1#post2512147): Flax, while still a townie, also adds to the Pinman pressure.
500, 501, 502, 503, 504: In rapid succession, Auto, Arpeg, WEW, Beefy, and Double A (Townie central) decides Pinman must die. Pinman is totally screwed.
505 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2512302&viewfull=1#post2512302): Pinman reveals Beskar as Star Wolf, trying to make himself appear to be a scanner. This move might have worked, and maybe it should have, but it did not.
Pinman surviving and removing Beskar would probably have tilted the game toward the Androssian team, early. Pinman would no longer scan as neutral, either, and the only people who could prove he is lying would be Star Wolf team members with Wolf's scanning power. And by then, no one would trust Wolf's word over a supposedly revealed scanner. Pinman would have been protected, and left alive for a good long while. Probably lynched later on, but by then the damage would be irreversible.
A good ploy, by the Androssian team here. But for some reason, it fails. Claiming investigator like this is actually a little scummy.... you can only be scum or a scanner, realistically, and due to how the events unfolded, Pinman ends up looking more like scum than like a Cornerian investigator.
506 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2512306&viewfull=1#post2512306): The ploy fools Flaxy.
508: Beskar goes super-aggressive on Pinman.
509: Flax kinda wavers and unvotes Beskar.
515, 516: Beefy and landlubber vote for Beskar. Now we have a real contest.
531 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2512387&viewfull=1#post2512387): God Emperor had been voting for Beskar, but now that "claimed investigator" Pinman is not even voting for Star Wolf anymore, this apparently triggers God Emperor's bull spit meter. A whiff of uncertainty from the supposed investigator is not good.
569 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2512701&viewfull=1#post2512701): Khazaar votes for ArpeggiateTHIS, no reason. And I, am, confused. :dizzy2: I have no idea what he's doing. :laugh4:
Much later, with lots of angry, silly posts in between, Beskar posts this:
616 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2513109&viewfull=1#post2513109): Beskar reveals he's Star Wolf, and makes another plea to lynch Pinman.
For whatever reason, Fox team sides with Beskar, and that's too many votes for Andross' forces to overturn. It's not worth it for Andross to back up Pinman in any way. Pinman goes down, and based on something that was posted when Pinman was a nothing and a nobody, he is accidentally lucky-shot nailed, and Beskar all of a sudden looks GLORIOUS.
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It could EASILY have gone the other way. People flipped a coin, and it landed on the right side. I think Pinman acted a little scummy here, but I could of course see that, being the host. I am impressed that others noticed this stuff seemed off. Can't really put my finger on why, but I think backing off Wolf's lynch by Pinman was the bad move. His claim was also slightly off (in the minds of townies). There were actually Cornerian power roles, but only Cornerian power roles would know that. It would be hard for Pinman to claim anything else without being immediately caught out, so yeah.
A brilliant, valiant try by Pinman. Such a shame he went down so soon after being mafia. He still proves invaluable to the Andross team, as he basically becomes Andross whenever Winston/civplayah is inactive. Pinman was really the brains behind Andross most of the time.
Post 648 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2513192&viewfull=1#post2513192): Yaseikhaan STILL calls for Beskar's head. I am undecided whether that would have been a good idea, but given how much of a distraction Beskar becomes to the game... maybe! I like this thinking outside the box, Khaan. Unorthodox, but puts pressure on Beskar not to act too anti-town and really really try to catch Andross.
Official tally:
Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, Flax, Double A, Beskar
Beskar: (7) landlubber, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Frozen in Ice, Pinman
Stuck in Pi: (2) Beefy, CDF
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
ArpeggiateTHIS: (1) Khazaar
No Lynch: (1) hell hound
abstain: (4) Diana, Seon, Skooma, ATPGood
(votes after midnight don't count)
Did Not Vote: (8) (Joooray, Krill, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Winston Hughes , YLC)
Night Four
splitpersonality (Fox McCloud) defends JHT
DIY (Peppy Hare) scans JHT
Romanic (Falco Lombardi) scans no one yet (in docking bay)
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans Beskar
Beefy187 (ROB 64) revives Romanic (Falco)
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Investigates Renata
Secura (Leon Powalski) scans Diana Abnoba (Pigma)
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans Skooma Addict
Winston Hughes (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) recruits TheFlax and kills Yaropolk
Fox defends John (successful)
Peppy scans John (Successful- recruitable!)
Romanic returns to the living players list. (Falco)
Slippy scans Skooma, finds Neutral player.
Beefy187 revives Falco
Beskar investigates Renata and finds Cornerian.
Secura investigates Diana and finds Pigma.
Cultured Drizzt Fan investigates Skooma and does not find Krystal
Andross kills Yaropolk (Cornerian defense force)
Andross recruits TheFlax (Shogun)
Pigma joins Star Wolf now. ROB64 revives Falco. Katt is scanned and joins Star Fox. TheFlax becomes Androssian
Recruit, little factions, recruit!
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. splitpersonality Fox McCloud
8. Death is Yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. Rob_the_Celt Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. YLC Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. merciary Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Venomian Assault Forces
36. Khazaar Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
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Day Five
Don't get too excited. Here we go!
695 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2513775&viewfull=1#post2513775): Krill nominates himself for death. Pizza reaction: frowny face.
718 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2514132&viewfull=1#post2514132): Renata nominates Seon. Nothing there, but better than a self-vote.
741 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2514299&viewfull=1#post2514299): Beefy's troubles begin with a vote by Romanic. I gasp in horror as things go horribly, horribly wrong.
756 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2514382&viewfull=1#post2514382): Romanic reverses it, with a much better vote. Hey, at least he's voting for Panther now.
774 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2514439&viewfull=1#post2514439): Seon is doomed by a massive wagon, Beefy is spared. So, since the round is almost over, I decide to have a little fun, and I help Seon forge a fake role PM so he can mess with you. Why not?
He had already made the decision to post a fake claim that he was scum just to mess with people, so my involvement was just to make it more believable.
Official tally:
17 Seon (choxorn, Renata, Flax, Joooray, Beefy, Double A, Diana Abnoba, God Emperor, landlubber, Romanic, Beskar, pevergreen, Frozen, WEW, ATPGood, Secura, Miotas)
3 Beefy (Nictel, Skooma Addict, Cultured Drizzt fan)
2 Krill (Nightbringer, Seon)
1 hell_hound (autolycus)
1 pevergreen (DiY)
1 Abstain (hell_hound, JHT)
NOT VOTING: civplayah, Khazaar, Krill, merciary, Rob_the_Celt, Stuck in Pi, Yaseikhaan, YLC
YLC, Rob_the_Celt, merciary: You will be replaced by: Chaotix, Psychonaut, and shlin28.
Night Five:
choxorn (Fox McCloud) defends Beefy
DIY (Peppy Hare) scans Beefy
Romanic (Falco Lombardi) scans no one and uses G-diffuser
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans Yaseikhaan
Beefy187 (ROB 64) revives no one (no one down)
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Kills God Emperor
Secura (Leon Powalski)
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans Death is yonder
civplayah (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) investigates Skooma and kills Romanic
TheFlax cannot do anything yet
Pinman is dead
choxorn defends Beefy (success)
DIY scans Beefy (Cannot join Star Fox)
Double A scans Yaseikhaan (not neutral)
Beskar kills God Emperor (success)
Cultured Drizzt Fan scans DIY (not Krystal)
civplayah investigates Skooma (recruitable) and kills Romanic (successfully!)
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Venomian Assault Forces
36. Khazaar Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
More to come soon!
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Double A (Slippy Toad) scans Beskar
Slippy scans Skooma, finds Neutral player.
:inquisitive:
Double A
08-02-2010, 02:10
Yeah, Pizza got that confused. I got like 4 PM's :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
08-02-2010, 02:18
Yeah, Pizza got that confused. I got like 4 PM's :laugh4:
Indeed. I think either someone changed their action or I just had a thumb in the bad place that day.
My mistake! That was clearly supposed to be Beskar; I think he was scanning Beskar to see if he was mafia or not.
I copy/pasted from my notes.
Funny that comment about Winston's scummy OMGUS vote: he's been doing that vote-trade with JHT in every game they've both been in for months. It would look stranger if he didn't do it.
Nightbringer
08-02-2010, 21:18
wow, i really wasnt expecting something as amazing as an endgame commentary pizza. You are AMAZING! I can't wait to play another of yours games (assuming you do another one)
Askthepizzaguy
08-02-2010, 21:19
wow, i really wasnt expecting something as amazing as an endgame commentary pizza. You are AMAZING! I can't wait to play another of yours games (assuming you do another one)
Oh yeah, I'll be doing this for as long as people give a care. It's my substitute for real-life friends! :beam:
We certainly appreciate it, pizza. :bow:
Myself, I always find it very enlightening so hear about the thoughts of an all-knowing arbiter of these games, for entertainment purposes, but also in order to get advise on improving my mafia abilities.
Something's been niggling away at me for a while now, particularly after reading the role PMs; Krystal doesn't seem to have any abilities, but would she have gained any upon being recruited by either Peppy or Panther?
Something's been niggling away at me for a while now, particularly after reading the role PMs; Krystal doesn't seem to have any abilities, but would she have gained any upon being recruited by either Peppy or Panther?
Yeah, I was wondering about that as well, but I guess not, I'd just be able to get the abilities that were handed down. :shrug:
Yeah, I was wondering about that as well, but I guess not, I'd just be able to get the abilities that were handed down. :shrug:
That is... somewhat disappointing, and while it may have resulted in CDf failing to fully complete his personal goals, I don't think your death affected us quite as severely as we initially believed; it seems as though you'd have just been another piece of deadweight in the group, like I was after recruiting Pigma. :/
Askthepizzaguy
08-03-2010, 00:42
If Joooray were part of your group, Andross wouldn't have been able to wipe you out in two turns; it would have taken three. There would have been a chance that town lynches the one recruit, and then they lynch the other one, and then after you wipe out one last townie, you go into the endgame with one remaining Wolf member, thus it could have been a Star Wolf victory as mafia.
It wasn't guaranteed but it could have happened.
Askthepizzaguy
08-03-2010, 01:12
Something's been niggling away at me for a while now, particularly after reading the role PMs; Krystal doesn't seem to have any abilities, but would she have gained any upon being recruited by either Peppy or Panther?
Krystal's lack of powers: Same as Katt; Katt didn't have any powers. Katt, Krystal, Pigma, Bill, General Pepper, ROB64, these characters all didn't have any abilities until the last minute, when I made ROB a limited reviver, game Pepper a valuable and vital ability, and gave Pigma and Bill some valuable powers that both contributed to the game's win.
Katt and Krystal, nothing against them, by the time I reached them I felt the game was balanced (Very balanced, as it turns out) and that the ability to join Star Wolf (and therefore, possibly become mafia) or join Star Fox (and gain access to the G-diffuser defense, and be another person who can vote with Star Fox and gain access to their powers and investigations) made them potential masons, and potential masons is a pretty potent role in and of itself in a game of cult recruitment, and especially in this game with the hand-me-down powers.
wideyedwanderer
08-03-2010, 03:28
ATPG, thanks for your endgame commentary and your overall dedication to the game. This is like a dvd with bonus features. After you finish the movie, there's still more to watch. Except your commentary is more interesting than most bonus features in movies. I'm looking forward to more commentary and analysis!
Nightbringer
08-03-2010, 05:08
ATPG, thanks for your endgame commentary and your overall dedication to the game. This is like a dvd with bonus features. After you finish the movie, there's still more to watch. Except your commentary is more interesting than most bonus features in movies. I'm looking forward to more commentary and analysis!
agree 100%
Askthepizzaguy
08-04-2010, 00:34
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LYLAT WARS
ENDGAME COMMENTARY
Part IV
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Turn by turn commentary
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Day Six:
843 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2515653&viewfull=1#post2515653): Beefy's troubles begin once more. Not being able to revive Falco again make townie mad. Now townie very angry. TOWNIE SMASH!!! TOWNIE SMASH!!!
854 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2515725&viewfull=1#post2515725): I still have no flippin' clue what Khazaar is doing. :laugh4: Voting for claimed Slippy?
So most of Star Wolf hops all over Khazaar. You'd think they'd be happy Slippy is getting voted, but they want to look very townie. Maybe they really thought Khazaar was scum for voting Slippy. Riddle me this, though: Andross is really going to take Slippy down.... by the vote?
My no think so, dat smells stinkowiff. Heesa rather murder Slip-Slip. Tink about it.
By post 880 everyone and their mother is voting for Khazaar. Nothing to analyze here at all..... nothing to even comment on really. So I'm going to talk about boobies. :idea2:
A booby is a seabird in the genus Sula, part of the Sulidae family. Boobies are closely related to the gannets (Morus), which were formerly included in Sula. Boobies are large birds with long pointed wings and long bills. They hunt fish by diving from a height into the sea and pursuing their prey underwater. Facial air sacs under their skin cushion the impact with the water. Boobies are colonial breeders on islands and coasts. They normally lay one or more chalky-blue eggs on the ground or sometimes in a tree nest. Their name was possibly based on the Spanish slang term bubi, meaning "dunce", as these tame birds had a habit of landing on board sailing ships, where they were easily captured and eaten. Owing to this, boobies are often mentioned as having been caught and eaten by shipwrecked sailors, notably Captain Bligh of the Bounty and his adherents, during their famous voyage after being set adrift by Fletcher Christian and his followers.
This is what you get when there's no discussion, and massive bandwagons.
881 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2515865&viewfull=1#post2515865): FLAXY!!! Overkill dude, OVERKILL!!! He's already dead! He's passed on! Bereft of life, he rests in peace!! He's gone on to join the choir invisible! THIS.... IS AN EX PARROT!!!
Post 888 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2515935&viewfull=1#post2515935): This is the unluckiest post in the entire universe. Instead of whacking a potential Venomian recruit, Beefster, the CLAIMED TOWN REVIVER, goes down!!!
:wall: facepalm facepalm facepalm.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
889 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2515950&viewfull=1#post2515950): A reasonable response. Why is it so impossible?
893 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2515957&viewfull=1#post2515957): Even Secura is like.... woah.... are you sure, dude?
903 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2515976&viewfull=1#post2515976): Beefy's defense. This is Beefy, and this is about as strongly as Beefy ever defends himself. If you're expecting more, you're expecting too much.
909 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2516004&viewfull=1#post2516004): Even Khaan is like.... meh.
915 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2516023&viewfull=1#post2516023): But no..... Falco opens up a can of whoop-ash all over Beefster. Vote Beefy, and that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold Falco said so!
:bigcry: Oh Beefy.... I weep for thee.
927 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2516116&viewfull=1#post2516116): Apreg knows that Beefy is innocent because he voted for Beefy once, and the vote was cancelled. But the soft claim does nothing, and still reveals him as a possible detective.
You can't soft claim here, Apreg! You're already exposing yourself, say the whole deal, or say nothing! :sweatdrop:
Official tally:
Beefy187: (21) JHT, TheFlax, Beskar, Joooray, CDF, Yaseikhaan, miotas, Secura, pevergreen, Skooma Addict, choxorn, Beefy187, Krill, DIY, Renata, ATPGood, landlubber, hell_hound, Frozen in Ice, shlin28, civplayah
Khazaar: (5) Double A, Diana, WEW, ArpeggiateTHIS, Nictel
Psychonaut: pevergreen
hellhound: Chaotix
Skooma Addict: Psychonaut
Double A: Khazaar
Khazaar: Autolycus
Abstain: Nightbringer
NOT VOTING: NONE!!! :bow:
And Beefy falls victim to one of the biggest and most epic fail wagons of all time. But I understand why Romanic went after him. Arpeg might have been more vocal, but really, the blame game is not one I want to play here. Everyone who joined this wagon, especially once it got epically huge, all shares a bit of the blame. Andross was laughing their ta-tas off, and even Star Wolf was opening up the celebratory wine. It was a good day to be evil, and a demoralizing day to be a townie.
Night Six
choxorn (Fox McCloud) defends JHT
DIY (Peppy Hare) scans Double A
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) investigates Yaseikhaan
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans Arpeg
civplayah (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) converts Skooma Addict and kills Renata
TheFlax cannot do anything yet
Skooma Addict Just joined.
Results-
chox defends JHT (success)
DIY finds Double A is slippy (success)
Double A did not scan anyone.
Beskar finds out Yaseikhaan is a Cornerian (success)
CDF finds out Arpeg is not Krystal
civplayah converts Skooma Addict and kills Renata (success)
Overall a successful night phase for several teams. Andross is making progress again, Beskar is learning much through scans, Fox team is expanding and doing okay.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Day Seven
1021 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2517469&viewfull=1#post2517469) Here, Arpeg claims Bill Grey, virtually guaranteeing he will die shortly. However, his work so far this game and the fact that the tally helps prove his story moves the lynch off of him and possibly in a better direction. Plus his "investigations" will be useful. He made it seven days, a fine time to claim.
The result was that people started voting for Khazaar because he wasn't purely townie according to Bill Grey.
1033 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2517584&viewfull=1#post2517584) Khazaar's defense is short and to the point. He claims Venomian, and at the present time there's no reason not to believe him, especially if he could get scanned.
1058 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2517740&viewfull=1#post2517740): Choxorn contends that (I am guessing) Khazaar frequently can't be bothered to vote, and thus he might be a good suspect. Well.... in my opinion, if someone doesn't vote often, then he probably will only vote to save himself or his mafia buddies if he's mafia. Or to avoid a WOG. Not voting is a handicap against the mafia, in a game with investigators. They will be forced to reveal themselves by unusual voting (basically any vote they make will be unusual, especially if it ends up sparing themselves or their mafia buddies, or they show up and suddenly vote someone you know is innocent... another mark against them). Because they aren't voting much, they also shouldn't be a high priority target for the mafia to murder. So investigating them might allow you to focus on the voting patterns of the living suspects.
If there are no investigators, then maybe consider lynching lurkers in the early rounds. That's my opinion, not mafia fact, so feel free to do the opposite and it might win games too.
1063 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2517782&viewfull=1#post2517782): The mob turns against landlubber, who calmly suggests that he be investigated. And another wagon is deflected.
1064 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2517794&viewfull=1#post2517794): Now we're talking. Beskar suggests to purposefully use Bill Grey's voting/investigation power against suspects who ask for it, in this case landlubber. I approve.
Wagon turns against suspect Frozen in Ice, who attempts to defend himself here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2518093&viewfull=1#post2518093).
It's too late though. Frozen in Ice is now Floating in Space.
Official tally:
Frozen: (10) Beskar, Diana, autolycus, ATPGood, Miotas, DIY, choxorn, Skooma, Psycho, Krill
Khazaar: (5) shlin28, landlubber, Chaotix, civplayah, TheFlax, Nightbringer [voted late]
landlubber: (2) WEW, CDF
Joooray: (2) Yaseikhaan, Secura
JHT: Joooray
Choxorn: pever
abstain: Hell_hound
NOT VOTING: (6) Double A, johnhughthom, Khazaar, Nictel, Stuck in Pi
Night Seven
choxorn (Fox McCloud) defends Double A
DIY (Peppy Hare) scans no one (G diffuser)
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans Khazaar
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Kills Joooray
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans Psychonaut
civplayah (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) investigates Chaotix and kills ArpeggiateTHIS
TheFlax Joins in killing ArpeggiateTHIS
Skooma Addict Joins in killing ArpeggiateTHIS
Double A defended successfully.
DIY uses G-diffuser successfully.
Double A scans Khazar, he is in fact Neutral.
Beskar kills Krystal
Chaotix is neutral, Andross sees.
Andross kills ArpeggiateTHIS
Comments:
Oh.... the worst move Star Wolf makes the entire game; vigilante killing someone they haven't scanned as being Krystal. Several people had been scanned by CDF.... and Beskar himself could scan and find Krystal's unique ship. His scans plus CDF's scans gave him plenty of folks to vig kill that were safely not Krystal.
Just not wise, as some of his mates pointed out. But, I suppose he was aggressively looking for Andross or converts. It was a calculated risk, and it blew up in his face.
Andross killing Bill Grey was a no-brainer.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Venomian Assault Forces
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Day Eight
1139 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2519412&viewfull=1#post2519412): In what is clearly the most devastating post of the entire game, Renata declares that she doesn't read my write-ups. :bigcry:
I'm.... going to bed now.... to snuggle my hugga-bear and my bankie. :cry:
I...... AM..... WOUNDED!!!! :drama3:
That does it. This commentary is over.
Show is over folks. That's right, I quit. I just can't take this kind of REJECTION!!!! :shame:
You think I am kidding?
....Why?
Why would you think that?
You're CRUEL!!!
....Just go.... :cry: :shame:
Askthepizzaguy
08-04-2010, 00:51
....uh, continued. :clown:
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1148 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2519621&viewfull=1#post2519621): Hell hound doesn't speak much, but he has a point here. Why would the mafia be so silly as to vote for Star Fox?
Townies make moves based on not paying attention and lack of information. If it looks like an obviously silly move, it's not as likely to be a mafia move.
It's not dumb when a townie does it, because townies often have no reason to know better. Even if good reasons are hidden somewhere in the thread. Several times. Often times townies can't read everything. Mafia have multiple sets of eyes and can scan the thread much more thoroughly than any single townie can (except for me) and so therefore they rarely make silly moves that will get themselves lynched like that.
However, sometimes RL pressure, inactivity, lack of communication makes people kill Frozen in Ice for a second time, to really make sure he's dead. :clown: but that's another story for another time and another post.
1182 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2520069&viewfull=1#post2520069): After a massive Nictel wagon based on some of his odd votes, Khazaar votes for Diana, who legitimately is acting like the pseudo-scum that she is. But.... no reasons given, not much of a bandwagon forms.
So anyway. A relatively uneventful round, and Nictel gets lynched.
Tally
Nictel: (10) Beskar, Skooma, Diana, JHT, Yasei, CDF, pever, Miotas, Psycho, DIY
WEW: (3) Nightbringer, choxorn, Chaotix
Diana Abnoba: (2) Khazaar, TheFlax
Yaseikhaan: (1) Nictel
Skooma: (1) Double A
Beskar: (1) Krill
Krill: (1) landlubber
abstain: (2) civplayah, WEW
NOT VOTING: (checking) ATPGood, autolycus, hell_hound, shlin28, Secura
Night Eight
choxorn (Fox McCloud) defends Double A (FAILS)
DIY (Peppy Hare) scans pevergreen
Double A (Slippy Toad) scans no one, G-diffuser. (FAILS)
JHT- uses G-diffuser
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Investigates Psychonaut (CDF)
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso) scans no one.
civplayah (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) Converts Khazaar, kills Double A through protection with TheFlax and Skooma Addict
TheFlax
Skooma Addict
This was the round that Andross showed his true strength; killing through protection AND G-diffuser, while converting Khazaar. This was a round of epic winnage for the Androssian Team, and I was clapping my hands furiously at the awesome.
Now Fox's screwed level is rising fast, and Andross team's dangerousness quotient is getting high. Wolf team has forgotten their earlier suspicion of Winston Hughes, though they lament civplayah's relative inactivity in the game and in the thread. I think they write him off as dead weight and just focus on everything else.
By miracle alone, Autolycus still lives, and this prevents Andross from recruiting out of control. His being alive was lucky lucky lucky.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Venomian Assault Forces
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Gorgon
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Day Nine:
1223 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2521323&viewfull=1#post2521323): Star Fox is getting the scum vibe from Diana. She's over-lurking, and it shows.
She gets a pretty large wagon on her. Voting for her so far is: Fox, Venomian, Cornerian, Peppy, General Pepper, Cornerian... and then Flax unleashes his Flax-fu all over Diana with this post:
1249 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2521571&viewfull=1#post2521571): Flax unleashes a can of Canada Dry Ginger Ale all over Diana's hindquarters!!!
Oh no he di-in't? Oh yas he di-id! *snap, snap* :kiss:
If it wasn't on before, it is now!
1253 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2521580&viewfull=1#post2521580): Beskar shows up, aaaaaaaand the Diana wagon is REJECTED!!!
....or is it?
1268: Khazaar shows up and votes Diana, giving no reason.
Khazaar officially wins the most bizarre voting pattern award. This could have drawn more attention to him than necessary, but at least he's mafia now. He's allowed to vote badly at this point. Now bad votes are good votes.
Tally:
Krill: 8 (Beskar, CDF, Skooma, autoycus, TheFlax, landlubber, Nightbringer, hell_hound
Diana: 4 (Choxorn, DiY, Krill, Khazaar)
Beskar: 1 (pevergreen)
autolycus:1 (Secura)
Choxorn: 1 (WEW)
abstain: 1 (ATPGood)
Krill gets flushed for lack of better suspects. He was a cornerian.
Let's see who got voted: Pigma, Wolf, General Pepper, Fox McCloud, and the cornerian gets lynched. Androssians are miles away from getting voted. It's starting to get cold and grim for the townies. Secura outs herself this round, Fox is down to just a couple members, and Diana is getting pressured. Even General Pepper got some rare pressure this round.
I can't bear to watch what happens next....
Night Nine:
choxorn (Fox McCloud) defends DIY
DIY (Peppy Hare)
JHT
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Kill Choxorn
Cultured Drizzt Fan (Panther Caroso)
civplayah (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) Kill JHT with Skooma, Flax and civplayah
TheFlax Kill JHT with Skooma, Flax and civplayah
Skooma Addict Kill JHT with Skooma, Flax and civplayah Convert Chaotix
Khazaar
Chaotix
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Vulcain
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Gorgon
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Uhhhh..... yeah......
Cry for HELP!!!!
Andross' power level is now OVER 9000!!!!! Wolf team is still alive and untouched.... Cornerian/Venomian teams are getting their butts handed to them now. It's not looking good, folks.
At this point, I start posting as James McCloud and encourage the townies not to give up, but I am also implying that the situation may be more dire than it appears. You needed a fire lit under your butts.
Day Ten
Funnily, Diana votes for Peppy, and pevergreen votes for Beskar, who killed him earlier in the game. Day Ten is looking like grudge match central.
1371 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2523309&viewfull=1#post2523309): Chaotix goes after Beskar pretty hard. It's a big gamble, if he succeeds, another wasted lynch, and Beskar goes down. But if he fails, Beskar is likely to just get trigger-happy and kill Chaotix, revealing that Venomians can turn Androssian. I worry about moves like this...... :sweatdrop:
Let's see how it goes!
1392 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2523464&viewfull=1#post2523464): It's working though. The Beskar backlash has begun.... Wolf all being alive seems wrong... very wrong. Everyone can sense it. Something has gone wrong.... terribly wrong.
I predicted this coincidence would be too much for people to accept as accidental. No.... here is when it is proposed that Wolf has been working with Andross all along, or that Wolf isn't as helpful as he appears. People have had enough. They want progress... or they want blood. BLOOD!!!!
For whatever reason, pevergreen is counter-accused and lynched. All of Star Wolf, and even Andross, shows up and gets rid of pevergreen instead of Beskar.
As satisfying as I am sure removing the peverthorn from Wolf's hide was, no progress has been made on destroying Andross or his henchmen. :no:
This round was focused mainly on Beskar, and the town has made it clear that he's gotta defeat Andross soon, or he's dead meat. pever was lynched basically to spare Beskar, and not for many other sound reasons.
Night Ten
DIY (Peppy Hare) attacks Diana (Pigma) it fails due to her power.
Beskar (Wolf O'Donnell) Investigates Nightbringer (Venomian)
civplayah (Andrew Oikonny/Andross) Kill Frozen in Ice with Chaotix and Skooma
Chaotix and Skooma kill frozen in Ice with civplayah
TheFlax and Khazaar kill landlubber.
What a cluster of fuddruckers.
Peppy attacks Pigma, but Peppy can't beat Pigma, because Pigma's "Got a better ship!"- Diana loses her one-time anti-vig power.
Beskar investigates Nightbringer, which ends up helping the Androssian team recruit him.
Beskar! Man! You should have killed Chaotix! He was being a giant pain in your buttocks!
I was totally expecting it. Where's the cold, reactionary, swatting-the-mosquito reflex when you REALLY NEED IT???
And it just would have felt.... SO.... satisfying, wouldn't it? :no: I weep for you, Beskar. It's like letting the mosquito land on your nose, drink your blood, and then fly away. For the love of Dumpster-brand "waste disposal units", JUST SMASH IT!!!
Meanwhile, the Andross team is asleep at the switch, and I have orders from all teams within 24 hours. Their order was to kill Frozen in Ice, so I locked that in.
They protested and asked to kill landlubber, and I allowed this because two members hadn't sent in orders yet, so they had enough spare men to do it. So it wasn't a total loss. But Pinman and Flaxy were, shall we say, livid about it. :laugh4:
OOPSIE!!!
ciplayah wasn't paying attention, so he just signed off on the kill. The idea came from Skooma IIRC, but I got at least two or three confirmations of this order. So the hilarity began, starting with a delayed pevergreen lynch writeup, and ending with egg on Andross' face when he killed a dead guy.
:laugh4:
I can't help it. Too funny.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Venomian Assault Forces
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Vulcain
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Gorgon
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
All kidding aside, even with that faux pas, Andross is poised to pounce on Wolf and Corneria.... it's only a matter of time. Forgot to note: shlin28 and Stuck in Pi are both wogged.
The player list is looking more and more like a graveyard, and the unsuspecting Wolf team is about to get their butts handed to them.
Doomsday is nigh. Nigh, I say.
More to come soon!
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Hey, just to point this out, you have God Emperor listed as alive even after Beskar killed him. :p
wideyedwanderer
08-04-2010, 05:33
Lynch Beskar! Lynch Beskar! Wait, what?
I love the commentary ATPG.
Askthepizzaguy
08-04-2010, 13:16
Hey, just to point this out, you have God Emperor listed as alive even after Beskar killed him. :p
Thank you. Doing these on the fly, I am bound to make mistakes.
wideyedwanderer
08-05-2010, 01:53
Thank you. Doing these on the fly, I am bound to make mistakes.
Doing one now, then? :beam:
Double A
08-05-2010, 05:37
What, you didn't know he could fly?
Well, I knew he could shoot lasers from his eyes, but I didn't know he could fly.
Frozen In Ice
08-05-2010, 16:41
Thanks for the amazing game ATPG! Looking back I realize I shouldn't have followed the leader as much as I did, but I was glad that I was at least able to take a hit for the team, even if I was already dead.
Thanks for the amazing game ATPG! Looking back I realize I shouldn't have followed the leader as much as I did, but I was glad that I was at least able to take a hit for the team, even if I was already dead.
It seems some of my colleagues found your corpse very threatening. :clown:
From WEW on Civ Fanatics:
May I remind everyone that in Star Fox Mafia, Romanichine also suggested we lynch Beefy, who ended up being a pro-town reviver, and, in the words of Askthepizzaguy, was the victim of the most epic fail-wagon in history. So no, let's not trust Romanchine's judgment just because he's innocent and he's dead.
:smash:
:stars:
Raaaarrrghh, don't put the blame on me! 21 players voted for Beefy and I was not one of them. I said in the game thread that I approved the lynch, but it was a general consensus of the whole Star Fox team. Beefy lied about being able to revive more than once, which resulted in me having no protection and I ended up dead. Then Beefy admitted he lied.
A lot of players would have done the same thing in our shoes, and it's easy to out the blame on someone to wash your hands when something bad happens. Anyone, including Beefy, could have argued about the lynch, and turned it around, but instead most followed my suggestion without question because it's so much easier this way.
And about it being the most epic-fail wagon, how so? We lynched a townie who had no ability (left). Big deal, he was no better than a vanilla townie.
Double A
08-05-2010, 21:00
From WEW on Civ Fanatics:
:smash:
:stars:
Raaaarrrghh, don't put the blame on me! 21 players voted for Beefy and I was not one of them. I said in the game thread that I approved the lynch, but it was a general consensus of the whole Star Fox team. Beefy lied about being able to revive more than once, which resulted in me having no protection and I ended up dead. Then Beefy admitted he lied.
A lot of players would have done the same thing in our shoes, and it's easy to out the blame on someone to wash your hands when something bad happens. Anyone, including Beefy, could have argued about the lynch, and turned it around, but instead most followed my suggestion without question because it's so much easier this way.
And about it being the most epic-fail wagon, how so? We lynched a townie who had no ability (left). Big deal, he was no better than a vanilla townie.
Neither me nor Peppy had died yet, Mr Selfish.
Neither me nor Peppy had died yet, Mr Selfish.
Hmm, what are you saying? Translation please.
wideyedwanderer
08-05-2010, 21:18
I'm not putting the entire blame on you, but you did agree with the lynch and, being Falco, you were an influential speaker, and had an important role in that lynch. What I was trying to say was that while you make convincing arguments, we should not simply follow the lead of any individual without exploring the argument ourselves.
The part about the most epic fail-wagon came from ATPG. But I agree with it. Beefy would have been able to revive both Slippy and Peppy once each, which could have been huge for the town.
Nah, he would have been killed the very next night though protection. The worst consequence of the Beefy wagon was that it led to ArpeggiateTHIS to reveal himself.
Double A
08-05-2010, 21:23
Hmm, what are you saying? Translation please.
I'm not putting the entire blame on you, but you did agree with the lynch and, being Falco, you were an influential speaker, and had an important role in that lynch. What I was trying to say was that while you make convincing arguments, we should not simply follow the lead of any individual without exploring the argument ourselves.
The part about the most epic fail-wagon came from ATPG. But I agree with it. Beefy would have been able to revive both Slippy and Peppy once each, which could have been huge for the town.
Thank-you for doing my work for me :tongue:
I missed the part that said Beefy could revive each of us once. Point granted then, Beefy was not a vanilla townie when he was lynched, and he would have been useful.
Double A
08-05-2010, 21:24
Nah, he would have been killed the very next night though protection. The worst consequence of the Beefy wagon was that it led to ArpeggiateTHIS to reveal himself.
That would mean 1-2 less kills for each revival or if he wasn't lynched.
That would mean 1-2 less kills for each revival or if he wasn't lynched.
I don't quite follow, it wouldn't have changed anything in regards to revivals even if he had not been lynched. Beefy was going to die that night if he wasn't lynched and he can't revive if he is dead. :wink:
Askthepizzaguy
08-06-2010, 05:34
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LYLAT WARS
ENDGAME COMMENTARY
Part V
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Turn by turn commentary
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Day Eleven:
1485 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524391&viewfull=1#post2524391): Bold as ever, Chaotix goes directly for the throat and challenges Beskar.
Classic Scumtell: "Let's bring Star Wolf down once and for all."
Reason: See Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith and Subotan's usage of the word "we". Chaotix is doing much the same thing, playing on popular anti-Beskar sentiment and using a plural form of "I", in this case, us. Let us bring down Star Wolf? Sure, if that's your priority. I thought wiping out Andross was the priority. But, because Chaotix doesn't constantly use such language (us/we), once in a while is forgivable and easily overlooked.
1488 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524395&viewfull=1#post2524395): This is a much more believable line of attack against Beskar. This one does scream "frustrated townie". I like it.
1491 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524401&viewfull=1#post2524401): What took you so long, Star Wolf?
1494 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524410&viewfull=1#post2524410): Vote: Chaotix, says Nightbringer on his last day as townie. Still fighting the good fight, I see!
1499 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524452&viewfull=1#post2524452): Wideyed is off-target, and this is one of the reasons Diana was so interested in killing him. He wasn't proven townie and his voting pattern just wasn't right. But I'll get to that when I get to that.
1502 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524511&viewfull=1#post2524511): Anti-Beskar sentiment among the actual cornerians reaches a fever pitch. Probably because he's still lying and omitting key details. May have been helpful to spill the beans by now, but I can't fault Beskar so much because the Star Wolf team was doing well, and he probably wanted to spare them from a lynch-a-thon.
1504 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524532&viewfull=1#post2524532): NOOOO!!! Beskar, swat the fly, swat the fly!!! I swear, man, if you were as self-serving and cutthroat as people THOUGHT you were being this game, you'd have nailed Androssians several times over by now.
Let go of your townie shackles... let the hate FLOW through you.... :skull:
1507 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524535&viewfull=1#post2524535): Nightbringer is trying to be helpful, but the votes for General Pepper pretty much seal the deal, an Androssian victory is about to occur.... the alternative, Beskar, isn't much better either at this point. It's too late, if you were going to lynch Beskar it should have happened a while back.
1512 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524553&viewfull=1#post2524553): Diana, AbNOOOOOOOOba!!!
1514 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524558&viewfull=1#post2524558): Beskar is trying, but under this kind of pressure, he makes reactionary mistakes. To be fair, if people left him alone, he might have been more clear-headed. But if you can't take the heat...
1519 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524592&viewfull=1#post2524592): Peppy joins the fray on General Pepper. I sneeze.
1520 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524595&viewfull=1#post2524595): Autolycus is forced to reveal he's General Pepper.
Well, Andross knows who to kill first now. :embarassed: Not good, not good. Maybe now they will lynch a scumbag. But added pressure on Beskar? Will they pull it off?
1521 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2524624&viewfull=1#post2524624): pevergreen calls for Beskar's head, again. I've got a bad feeling about this.
At this point, Autolycus reveals his full role PM, so does Beskar (kinda), and pressure is put on WEW and Alexander. Then, the decision is made... mass wagon on Alexei.
Tally:
ATPGood: (8) DIY, Nightbringer, Autolycus, Secura, civplayah, Yaseikhaan, Khazaar, Flax
Beskar: (2) Chaotix, WEW,
miotas: Skooma Addict
autolycus: miotas
WEW: CDF
HH: Diana Abnoba
abstain: Beskar
hell_hound: Did not vote.
Psychonaut: did not vote
Sadly, the only one even close to mafia that got voted for, was Beskar. And you need him alive. This round did the townies a favor inasmuch as the venomian got lynched, reducing the number of potential Androssian recruits, but was still not good. Chaotix should have died this round for SURE.
Night Eleven:
....Okay, this ship just got REAL. So much for wiping out General Pepper....
Civplayah kills Beskar and converts Nightbringer
Flax and Khazaar kill Secura
Skooma and Chaotix kill DIY
Beskar kills Miotas
DIY kills Skooma Addict
Nightbringer is converted
Andross declares ALL OUT WAR on Star Wolf, finally putting down Beskar for the count, and removing Secura as well. They also remove the last of Star Fox.
In a single night, Andross reveals that it has the power to wipe out 3 players per night.... they were HIDING THEIR NUMBERS!!!
The effect is devastating! They also convert one of the remaining venomians.... leaving only the Venomian WOGbait, hell_hound to die the very next round.
Now, Andross' team is 5-7, with one of those seven about to get the WOG chop. This is it, due to the massive ability of the Venomian team to murder three times, even WITH the two vigilante powers, the Cornerians AND Star Wolf ALL need to hit perfectly with EVERY SINGLE REMAINING LYNCH AND VIGILANTE KILL. They also cannot even lynch Andross, they don't have time... it takes two lynches to kill him. Andross MUST DIE through a vigilante kill, or the game is automatically lost.
Because Star Wolf has both vig kills now, AND they must hit Andross AND they must hit an Androssian convert TONIGHT, AND they must lynch an Androssian convert TODAY, the game is all but lost. This round is almost a formality.
Death is Yonder pulls off one last, game-saving move, by removing an Androssian convert from the game at the critical moment. The game would already have been over had he not done this.
GAME SAVED: DEATH IS YONDER :balloon3:
Beskar, meanwhile, removed another potential Androssian convert, but it was another innocent Venomian. Chaotix should have died, again.... :laugh4:
But it is no longer up to Beskar to win the game. It is now up to CDF and Diana Abnoba.
Peppy never gave up. Trust your instincts....
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. civplayah Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Granga
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Vulcain
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Gorgon
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Only I have the brains to rule Lylat...
I've got my popcorn ready now, on the edge of my seat. Let's do this thing.
By the way, during this night phase, there was some excellent getting-off-of-your-hindquarters-and-thinking going on. Nicely done.
Day Twelve
1690 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2525822&viewfull=1#post2525822): A rough start as General Pepper votes for a purely innocent player, WEW. Andross has enough votes to make this a fatal mistake...:embarassed:
1699 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2525863&viewfull=1#post2525863): Cultured Drizzt Fan votes for Chaotix, AND WE HAVE A WINNA!!!
1705 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2525929&viewfull=1#post2525929): Wideyedwanderer OMGUS votes General Pepper. Now Andross could conceivably lynch General Pepper and win simply by conversion. :embarassed: Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad!
I'm not usually a praying man, but..... SAVE ME, SUPERMAN!!!
And in the sky, the clouds parted, and the sun began to smile, and shine down upon the broken forces of the Cornerian army. A miracle happens.
1710 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2525972&viewfull=1#post2525972): Psychonaut joins the correct bandwagon! Out of Autolycus, WEW, and Chaotix, we have Chaotix! He also calls Diana and Nightbringer scum. 2/3 ain't bad.
1716 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526003&viewfull=1#post2526003): Diana uses the force, and stretches out with her feelings. The dark side clouds everything, but Chaotix' scum is showing. Has been for a while now...
1721 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526046&viewfull=1#post2526046): Hello..... and Bingo was his name-o. Pepper switches to a proper vote, on scum Chaotix. The game is not over yet... votes on Autolycus could save the game for Andross.
1725 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526117&viewfull=1#post2526117): And Psychonaut's scum-sniffing powers go into overdrive. Nightbringer is mafia. All of a sudden things look nearly salvage-able. But still remains.... Andross himself.
1726 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526128&viewfull=1#post2526128): A thunderclap. Psychonaut realizes Autolycus and WEW are not mafia. The earth is freaking moving under my feet.
1727 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526171&viewfull=1#post2526171): BA-BAMMO!!! Wideyedwanderer's eyes are open! He switches off of General Pepper and wipes the floor with the mafia!
I sit back in my chair, with jawdrop.
1735 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526270&viewfull=1#post2526270): With Yaseikhaan's vote, Chaotix's fate is pretty well sealed. Nicely, nicely done.
1736 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526273&viewfull=1#post2526273): Scummy distancing tactic by TheFlax.
After Chaotix switches to Auto, and civplayah makes a perfunctory vote on Chaotix, the round ends... chaotix is lynched. But Hell Hound is WOGGED, making the game almost a certain loss for the town!
Now...... the REAL GAME BEGINS. :evil:
Night Twelve.
1750 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526578&viewfull=1#post2526578): Psychonaut goes hunting for Andross, and his scum sensors are delightful. His vote analysis leads him to conclude one of Diana, Nightbringer, or civplayah is Andross.
Diana knows that Diana is not Andross.
Diana also knows that Nightbringer is not Andross, as he was scanned Venomian.
That leaves only civplayah as Andross. Diana has the power to kill civplayah.
If Diana was paying attention to this post, her choice would have been very clear, but I saw her that night, and the decision was MUCH more of a struggle. I don't blame her. :book:
1752 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526673&viewfull=1#post2526673): civplayah makes the woeful decision to reveal now. That.... really.... makes him look very suspicious to many, many people.
1757 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526730&viewfull=1#post2526730): Psychonaut is all over him. Psychonaut wants answers. Psychonaut wants blood.
And now, without further ado, Diana Abnoba's reasoning for killing civplayah, and urging CDF to kill TheFlax.
ALIVE: (10/44)
Autolycus
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
Khazaar
Nightbringer
TheFlax
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan
This is who was alive. And this is what Diana Abnoba knew for certain:
NOT ANDROSS, NOT CONVERT:
2. Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar (Due to self)
26. Psychonaut- Cornerian Defense Forces (Due to Beskar's scans)
41. Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Forces (Due to Beskar's scans)
NOT ANDROSS, POSSIBLE CONVERT:
27. Nightbringer- Venomian? (due to Beskar's scans)
28. TheFlax- Venomian? (due to Beskar's scans)
36. Khazaar- Venomian? (due to Beskar's scans)
POSSIBLE ANDROSS SUSPECTS:
6. civplayah- Andrew Oikonny, or Andross (due to claim)
11. Autolycus- General Pepper, or Andross (due to claim)
42. wideyedwanderer- Cornerian Defense Forces, or Andross. (due to Double A's non-neutral scan)
And Diana Abnoba's theory about Cultured Drizzt Fan:
THEORY: Not Andross, due to ability.
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso (Due to claim, and because he was able to look for Krystal, that seemed more legitimate than civplayah's anti-scan power...)
So, Diana Abnoba had three main suspects for Andross.
Autolycus- General Pepper claim looked fishy. Was never scanned.
wideyedwanderer- Claiming Cornerian is easy, voting pattern looked very bad, and he was only scanned as non-neutral, not innocent.
civplayah- It seemed unlikely at first. But if there was a Wolf infiltrator, it had to be Civplayah. Was never scanned. Was never attacked. Was not voted for by mafia. Strange claimed power. Strange claimed personal goal. Andrew was the nephew of Andross himself.
However, Diana Abnoba reasoned:
If civplayah has a personal goal to eliminate General Pepper, and he's really Andrew, then General Pepper exists in the game. Either that, or civplayah and Auto are covering for each other and BOTH have cover roles.
If Autolycus were guilty/Andross, then civplayah's personal goal to eliminate General Pepper could never be completed. I was screwing over my own player. Diana knows better than that. So they were either both guilty, or only civplayah was guilty, or they were both innocent. It could not be the case that Auto was guilty and civplayah was not.
Voting pattern analysis indicated that several guilty parties wanted Autolycus to die.
Voting pattern analysis indicated that several guilty parties wanted Wideyedwanderer to die very early on in the game. He nearly got lynched very early on. Would known guilty parties vote for Andross and nearly kill him that early?
civplayah's guilt would explain why Star Wolf never got attacked until the late game.
civplayah's guilt would indicate why Star Wolf never attacked the same person that Andross (or his cronies) did.
civplayah's guilt would explain his unusual behavior (late reveal for no reason) his strange personal goal, and his strange anti-investigation power.
Diana also reasoned that it only one of the three was Andross, and Venomian converts could become Androssians, then of the three, one was Andross, and two were innocent.
If two were innocent, that meant that only the civplayah was guilty/auto was innocent/WEW was innocent theory works, or civplayah was innocent/auto was innocent/WEW was guilty theory works.
That meant that autolycus was innocent, and WEW or civplayah was guilty.
Of the two, more mafia voted against wideyedwanderer, and never voted for civplayah.
Diana had originally called for wideyedwanderer and Autolycus to be vigilante killed. She switched from Autolycus to civplayah halfway through the night after some serious analysis and working it out.
Then she reasoned that if only one of the three were guilty, given the number of mafia remaining, an Androssian convert also had to go.
So, she picked from her suspected Androssian convert list:
NOT ANDROSS, POSSIBLE CONVERT:
27. Nightbringer- Venomian? (due to Beskar's scans)
28. TheFlax- Venomian? (due to Beskar's scans)
36. Khazaar- Venomian? (due to Beskar's scans)
TheFlax had been scanned very early by Beskar, and the pattern was, all scanned Venomians seemed to have gotten converted. Khazaar was the next most suspect. She figured that Nightbringer was either recently converted, or would be converted soon. So the decision was made to go after Khazaar.... then she switched again to TheFlax.
She asked CDF to attack TheFlax, almost certain he was guilty. Then she made the gut-wrenching decision to attack civplayah. The rest is history.
GAME SAVED: DIANA ABNOBA :balloon3:
Night Twelve:
TheFlax and Khazaar (and nightbringer) kills Cultured Drizzt Fan.
Cultured Drizzt Fan kills TheFlax.
civplayah kills Diana Abnoba.
Diana Abnoba kills civplayah.
No conversion possible.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Granga
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Vulcain
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Gorgon
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
The sledgehammer blow knocks the Androssian square in the jaw, and they are sent reeling. Still, all townies must vote correctly for there to be a decisive victory. The game isn't over, but very shortly it will be. With no more conversions and only a single murder, mafia has to play perfectly to win now.... so does the town.
Day thirteen:
1769 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526775&viewfull=1#post2526775): Nightbringer may be new at this, but I am very impressed by his instincts. He's almost convincing ME he's innocent.
The game is a forced win for the town, once again, if they vote correctly. He's just gotta hope for a mistake.
1770 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526780&viewfull=1#post2526780): Diana's now-proven innocence comes in handy as she makes the call for Khazaar's blood.
1772 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526819&viewfull=1#post2526819): Star Fox's decision to give their vig kill to Diana also saves the game from epic defeat. Good choice.
1773 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526842&viewfull=1#post2526842): Auto has the right idea, but you'll need unity to pull this off. Go for the low-hanging fruit, Khazaar.
1775 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526850&viewfull=1#post2526850): CDF points out that Nightbringer cannot be Gorgon, which is a valid point and good reason for all remaining townies to stand united against Gorgon. There are very few suspects for Gorgon remaining.
1777: Auto switches to Khazaar.
1780: WEW agrees on Khazaar.
1793 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526954&viewfull=1#post2526954): Yaseikhaan agrees on Khazaar.
1794 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526962&viewfull=1#post2526962): Psychonaut's scumdar goes haywire, and he calls for General Pepper's head! OH NO!!!!
1795: Yaseikhaan follows suit..... :embarassed: The game is now in serious Jeopardy!
1799-1801 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526980&viewfull=1#post2526980): Romanic steps in to try to right some wrongs. Way to stay vigilant, Falco!
1802-1803 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2526987&viewfull=1#post2526987): Choxorn steps in to also call for Khazaar or Nightbringer's head. Excellent eye, Fox!
1804-1805: Secura steps in and agrees on Khazaar and Nightbringer.
1807 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527030&viewfull=1#post2527030): Death is yonder steps in and calls for Khaan to change his vote!
The dead pro-town forces have decided. They are all calling out for justice, and Khaan wavers.
1808: Khaan changes his vote back to Khazaar.
1812 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527112&viewfull=1#post2527112): Psycho reluctantly agrees to go along with this.
1822 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527276&viewfull=1#post2527276): Romanic is all over Nightbringer for not taking a clear position. Correct, this is scummy of him. Good eye!
1826 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527291&viewfull=1#post2527291): Secura (Leon) and Romanic (Falco), blood enemies, agree on who needs to die. The stars have aligned against Andross.
1835 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527389&viewfull=1#post2527389): A while later, Khazaar finally takes a position against Autolycus.
1836 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527452&viewfull=1#post2527452): Immediately triggering Psychonaut's bull spit meter. The last holdout turns against Khazaar, and for Autolycus, the same dude he just called for death.
1837 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527488&viewfull=1#post2527488): Another late position taken by Nightbringer.... trying to look decent. Not a bad attempt, but too little too late. (My advice) He should have been all over Khazaar from the beginning, that would have confused people, especially coming from a newcomer. No one expects that from a new player.
1838 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527507&viewfull=1#post2527507): Death is yonder is all over this fakey-ness. He's waiting for Psychonaut to decide, and then following along, instead of boldly deciding. Often a mafia strategy when it is crunch time.
Night Thirteen:
Nightbringer has little choice in the matter.... he leaves Auto alive one more time in the hopes that his unknown for certain status will persuade people not to kill him.
Killing Auto just leaves Psycho (scanned) and Yasei (scanned) and wideyed (was scanned as non-neutral). So he takes out a scanned Cornerian.... best he can do.
1. Joooray Krystal- recruitable
2. Diana Abnoba Pigma Dengar
3. Beskar Wolf O'Donnell
4. Secura Leon Powalski
5. Cultured Drizzt Fan Panther Caroso
6. Winston Hughes Andrew Oikonny/Andross
7. choxorn Fox McCloud
8. Death is yonder Peppy Hare
9. Romanic Falco Lombardi
10. Double A Slippy Toad
11. Autolycus General Pepper
12. ArpeggiateTHIS Bill Grey- recruitable
13. johnhughthom Katt Monroe- Star Fox recruit
14. Beefy187 ROB 64
15. Death is yonder Cornerian Defense Forces
16. shlin28 Cornerian Defense Forces
17. Yaropolk Cornerian Defense Forces
18. Krill Cornerian Defense Forces
19. landlubber Cornerian Defense Forces
20. Renata Cornerian Defense Forces
21. Chaotix Cornerian Defense Forces
22. Frozen in Ice Cornerian Defense Forces
23. Stuck in Pi Cornerian Defense Forces
24. pevergreen Cornerian Defense Forces
25. choxorn Cornerian Defense Forces
26. Psychonaut Cornerian Defense Forces
27. Nightbringer Granga
28. TheFlax Shogun Droid
29. Pinman Attack Carrier
30. hell_hound Venomian Assault Forces
31. Alexander Venomian Assault Forces
32. Chaotix Vulcain
33. pevergreen Venomian Assault Forces
34. God Emperor Venomian Assault Forces
35. Skooma Addict Rock Crusher
36. Khazaar Gorgon
37. shlin28 Venomian Assault Forces
38. Nictel Venomian Assault Forces
39. Miotas Venomian Assault Forces
40. civplayah Venomian Assault Forces
41. Yaseikhaan Cornerian Defense Forces
42. wideyedwanderer Cornerian Defense Forces
43. Seon Venomian Assault Forces
Day Fourteen
1853 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527793&viewfull=1#post2527793): The only correct move, says Auto.
1854 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527794&viewfull=1#post2527794): Psychonaut agrees.
1855 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2527806&viewfull=1#post2527806): Here, the only winning move is if WEW agrees with Nightbringer about Autolycus. There are no other options for Nightbringer, but he's still fighting.
Admirable.
1861: A slightly wavering Yaseikhaan says:
Good grief. Half of me still feels like autocylus is guilty, the role claim feels real off. But nightbringer's whole post reeked of guilty mafia trying to turn the lynch... I'd say lynch nightbringer. Thread behavior first and foremost, as Pizza said a long time ago, on a page far, far away. Also, going back and reading his earlier posts, especially around the 21st/22nd, he seemed to like reminding people he was "scanned venomian", even though he wasn't under any pressure.
I am honored, Khaan, to be cited in your reasoning against true scum.
Peppy Hare: Your skills have improved, Fox Khaan.
I hope you won't poo-poo your own townie skills anymore. :shakehands:
1864 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2528005&viewfull=1#post2528005): Wideyedwanderer makes the correct decision, and doesn't fall for it, sealing the game as a townie victory. Congratulations, town.... incredible performance in the final rounds.
1871 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars-Concluded&p=2528228&viewfull=1#post2528228): The real ending. Enjoy.
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autolycus
08-06-2010, 13:30
Thanks to Atpg for a great game and great commentary. This was my first game as a purely passive power role. I must say, it's an interesting experience, because I knew no more than a regular townie, but had to place a higher value on my own life and couldn't readily prove my identity.
civplayah
08-06-2010, 15:48
The reason for my apparently suspicious reveal is that I was going on vacation, there were no replacement players left, and I wouldn't have been able to say anything if I didn't reveal.
Thanks to Atpg for a great game and great commentary. This was my first game as a purely passive power role. I must say, it's an interesting experience, because I knew no more than a regular townie, but had to place a higher value on my own life and couldn't readily prove my identity.
If I'd gotten that role I'd have shot myself. :) Good job.
Askthepizzaguy
08-06-2010, 20:25
The reason for my apparently suspicious reveal is that I was going on vacation, there were no replacement players left, and I wouldn't have been able to say anything if I didn't reveal.
Yep; there are often really good reasons to do things. In this case, you probably felt compelled to say something.
The timing was just off, legitimate reasons or not; it got people thinking you were both nervous, but also not concerned with being targetted by Andross. You didn't personally make many obvious mistakes, and even that much wasn't enough to turn the tide against you solely. It was good detective work that did that.
A stunning and near-victorious run; nothing to be ashamed of here.
Thanks for the game ATPG and for the commentary. One of the most fun I've played. :bow:
landlubber
08-07-2010, 00:48
The commentary was so good I feel a bit sad that it's over.
wideyedwanderer
08-07-2010, 00:54
I don't see how my voting pattern looked bad? I had no abilities, and voted like a clueless vanilla townie, which was what I was supposed to do?
Askthepizzaguy
08-07-2010, 04:14
I don't see how my voting pattern looked bad? I had no abilities, and voted like a clueless vanilla townie, which was what I was supposed to do?
No fault of your own; your vote just ended up on certain people that subsequently found you scummy for it.
ATPGood, pevergreen, choxorn, abstain, landlubber, Seon, johnhughthom, civplayah, pevergreen.
You did vote for Pinman when he was lynched, and Khazaar when he wasn't lynched, which is a mark in your favor. But, often times, random townie votes will look bad to those being voted for by the random townie. Often times that is mistaken for mafia votes. But if you'll look at the actual mafia votes in this game, other than focusing on Beskar, they tried to avoid making votes they knew would look scummy. Avoiding voting for other revealed members of Star Wolf, avoiding voting for revealed members of Star Fox, avoiding voting for scanned people, even ones they shouldn't have known were scanned yet, but did, because they saw Beskar's results in the quicktopic. The idea of mafia is often to avoid making waves. Some players like Chaotix will make more waves than others, but most of the mafia will avoid controversial votes and go for ones that actually look like they are plausibly mafia, but coincidentally are not. Such as the unscanned Wideyedwanderer, the unscanned Autolycus.... and so on. Vote for the plausible suspects, who are also not guilty. That's typical mafia.
But commonly mistaken for scummy behavior, is wideyedwanderer voting for Fox, and Katt, and several townies. You even voted for Beefy/Rob64 after Seon revealed as "scum", before being prompted to change it. :laugh4:
If anything, some of your votes should have been evidence that you weren't worried about looking scummy. But, stereotypically, you voted for a bunch of townies and pro-townies, even when it was dangerous to do so, therefore you must have been guilty.
There is a difference between common misconceptions or perceptions of being scummy, and actually being scummy. People's scumdars aren't always that attuned. But really no one is at fault because it is a game of incomplete information.... it happens.
Diana Abnoba
08-07-2010, 05:59
Thanks again Pizza for another outstanding game. Loved your commentary, as well. Great to learn by. This game was one of my favorite end games, the excitement, the drama... :sweatdrop: :2thumbsup:
pevergreen
08-07-2010, 17:11
voting for me = you will lose. Take heed of that everyone.
But we voted for you, and we ended up winning...
wideyedwanderer
08-08-2010, 01:51
Thanks for the analysis, Pizzaguy, and for the great game.
wideyedwanderer
08-09-2010, 23:59
Just curious, what would have happened had General Pepper been killed day 1? Would the mafia have gone rampant?
Askthepizzaguy
08-10-2010, 00:32
Just curious, what would have happened had General Pepper been killed day 1? Would the mafia have gone rampant?
What would have happened (probably), would have been that the Androssian team would have begun recruiting every round, and with the death of General pepper, everyone would have been made aware of the demoralization of the Cornerian army. It would have turned into a game where both Wolf and Fox would be aware that Venomians and Cornerians could have been converted, leading them to use their vigilante weapon repeatedly instead of scanning or defending.
As a result, Andross (or his converts) may have actually been killed sooner, and as a result of that, it might have made the game end on even better terms for the town. Or, Andross in his zeal to recruit everyone, might have accidentally recruit-attempted one of the Fox team, or Krystal. And then he would have been exposed and the results would have been fatal for his team.
So yes, overpowering Andross actually gives up a lot of advantages that he had. He was actually better off with Autolycus alive, for the first half/2 thirds of the game. As soon as Fox's team was dead and gone, and Krystal was dead, and Bill was dead, and Pepper was dead, he should have recruited scanned cornerians until he won. That was the best outcome for Andross, hypothetically speaking.
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