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Secura

07-12-2010, 17:48

Beskar turned up after all.

Double A

07-12-2010, 17:50

Even if I did investigate her, I kinda died, so I wouldn't be at liberty to tell.

Beskar

07-12-2010, 17:52

Diana is a Venomian.

I pretty much said earlier (though not outright) that Diana wasn't the mafia, which is why I said "Curious" as the initial voters completely ignored what I said.

TheFlax

07-12-2010, 18:09

Diana is a Venomian.

Color me doubtful, but I have been wrong so many times, I'll trust you are saying the truth.

I'm still interested in how Secura knew this.

Secura

07-12-2010, 18:17

I pretty much said earlier (though not outright) that Diana wasn't the mafia, which is why I said "Curious" as the initial voters completely ignored what I said.

That could have been construed as anything, really.

I'm still interested in how Secura knew this.

It's so transparantly obvious now.

TheFlax

07-12-2010, 18:33

I was really gunning for Diana as my top suspect since yesterday, so since I don't have a backup suspect, I will Vote: Krill for now, in case people don't come back to unvote Diana.

wideyedwanderer

07-12-2010, 18:59

Beskar

07-12-2010, 19:03

wideyedwanderer

07-12-2010, 19:15

Because Pinman revealed him as a Venomian, which he is. Hence no one analyses him as it has been revealed pretty much all game.

Could you please refresh my memory as to how Pinman revealed him as Venomian? Because wasn't Pinman mafia?

Beskar

07-12-2010, 19:20

Could you please refresh my memory as to how Pinman revealed him as Venomian? Because wasn't Pinman mafia?

He was a mafia investigator. His death prevented the town roles getting revealed, this is why the mafia is targetting people based on thread activity (Double A, ArpegTHIS, etc)

This is why I am not posting a list of innocents, because I rather people I don't know dying than the ones I do know dying.

Also, I investigated TheFlax myself at the beginning of the game, it appears Pinman did as well.

TheFlax

07-12-2010, 19:24

Unvote, Vote: The Flax. He seems to be around just enough to make it known he's here, and then he goes and does a very detailed (overly detailed, looking to much into things, perhaps?) examination of why Diana is mafia. Nobody has really pressured him the whole game.

I made a case against Pinman and Khazaar before. Yes this one is longer, I have had more rounds and thus more information to analyse. Also, I'm in the top posters of this game and all of my posts where made after game start, as such I think "He seems to be around just enough to make it known he's here" is mischaractirizing me a bit. :wink:

wideyedwanderer

07-12-2010, 19:39

Fair enough. But I don't like the idea of team Star Wolf being in control of the game now that Falco, Slippy, and Rob are gone, and that Peppy and Fox are doing who knows what.

Unvote, Vote: Choxorn. Haven't seen much from him, have we?

Renata

07-12-2010, 19:45

That could have been construed as anything, really.

It's so transparantly obvious now.

Indeed it is, which makes me wonder a bit why Flax would need to lampshade it like that. You guys checked him out, out of curiosity? Edit: nevermind, I'm losing it.

But anyway, if it's not Diana, I suggest WEW or Psychonaut.

landlubber

07-12-2010, 19:51

Vote:Krill.
I don't think that lynching a Venomian is a good idea at this point.

TheFlax

07-12-2010, 19:56

But anyway, if it's not Diana, I suggest WEW or Psychonaut.

IIRC, Pyschonaut took over from YLC. From what YLC posted early in the game, I suspect he's a cornerian. I hope I'm not losing it too, but wasn't WEW scanned? I seemed to recall a few rounds back there was a big brouhaha about him being possibly scum and then it was decided he wasn't?

wideyedwanderer

07-12-2010, 20:38

I was scanned by Double A. Renata's losing it.

Double A

07-12-2010, 20:47

Renata's been losing it ever since TCD.

Khazaar

07-12-2010, 20:52

Vote:Diana Abnoba

Beskar

07-12-2010, 21:11

Vote:Diana Abnoba

That vote makes no sense, she is the same as you.

Renata

07-12-2010, 21:36

I was scanned by Double A. Renata's losing it.

Argh. I give up.

Renata

07-12-2010, 21:43

Actually I don't. To kindasorta address Beskar's post from earlier, I think it would be quite OK to start lynching through the inactives and the near-inactives. If the rest of the Star Fox team is hiding in there and winds up dead as a result; well, that's their own damn fault. Let Star Wolf win bragging rights or god forbid emergent-mafia status or whatever else, if it comes to that. You can't avoid lynching a pool of strong suspects just because a power role or two might be in there as well, else you hand the game to the mafia. Might as well go out fighting, if you're going. And maybe you win.

Nightbringer

07-12-2010, 21:49

Well, the arguments put forth have convinced me Diana isnt scum.
unvote
but i dont really see any strong cases.
people are voting krill but im not really sure why
ill throw up a vote: psychonaut because i want him checked out after he went after me the other day. Not really an intention to get him gone just want to be present and draw attention to him.

Renata

07-12-2010, 21:57

Hmmm. How about you first. Stupid as I've been lately, that right there was one of the scummier posts I've seen in recent days.

"the arguments" convince you that Diana isn't scum -- what "arguments"? She's been claimed as having been scanned; it's simple as that.
"no strong cases" -- townies do this too, but weak; at this point of the game, most townies are finding everybody highly scummy, not nobody
"why are people voting krill" -- complain about other people's votes, typical scum move. Would be OK if you had a really solid alternate candidate to go with it, but you don't.

And finally, the piece de resistance:
"I'm voting this guy, but I'm not really suspicious; he just needs some attention. Dead? No, I don't want him dead." Scummy scummy scummy scummy scummy, just painfully scummy.

You'd better be scum, Nightbringer.

Beskar

07-12-2010, 21:57

Psychonaut has already been checked.

Please note, I said "Non-Orgah", the mafia is some one from Country Fried Chicken. So you are looking for an possible lurker/inactive from CFC, not ruling out the replacements.

Choxorn, Krill, Nightbringer, etc, pick your poison.

TheFlax

07-12-2010, 22:01

AFAIK Nightbringer is not from CFC. :clown:

Anyways, we should concentrate on one target, as Diana already has a bunch of votes tallied against her.

TheFlax

07-12-2010, 22:11

Back with a tally:

Krill: 6 (Beskar, Krill, Skooma, autoycus, TheFlax, landlubber)
Diana: 4 (Choxorn, DiY, Krill, Khazaar)
Beskar: 1 (pevergreen)
autolycus:1 (Secura)
Choxorn: 1 (WEW)
Psychonaut: 1 (Nightbringer)

Its not as bad as I thought in my previous post, but still pretty close.

Beskar

07-12-2010, 22:11

AFAIK Nightbringer is not from CFC. :clown:

My mistake, it is not a name I am famiiar with, so it is marked as "CFC". :tongue:

But yeah, Krill is probably a good gambit today. As for tonight, we need to weed through all the other targets to see if we have any good cases cropping up.

Nightbringer

07-12-2010, 23:00

Nightbringer

07-12-2010, 23:00

double post to not invalidate vote
what is CFC?

Secura

07-12-2010, 23:03

Abstaining at this stage in the game isn't going to make anyone happier and will only serve to make you look scummier, treacle. :/

In response to your question, CFC is Civilisation Fanatics Centre, another place to play mafia (among other things) and where quite a chunk of the Gameroom originally hailed from.

Askthepizzaguy

07-12-2010, 23:10

Due to RL circumstances I may not be able to host this game or play any games on the .org anymore. If that happens, please accept my profound apologies.

I am just warning you that the odds are very good that I will have to stop very shortly. Please continue playing until such time.

To everyone attempting to talk to me in any game, in private, or for any reason: Please expect a long delay in response, and if I do not get back to you at all, I am sorry.

Thank you everyone... for everything.

Nightbringer

07-12-2010, 23:17

I would be very very sad to see you go pizza. you've done an amazing job running this game and have been a blast to play other games with as well. I hope it works out so you can continue unless that would mean something not working out IRL.
You will be sorely missed. Thank you!

Nightbringer

07-12-2010, 23:20

Abstaining at this stage in the game isn't going to make anyone happier and will only serve to make you look scummier, treacle. :/

I just throwing down that vote so i'm not out of this dimension. I really do NOT want to vote abstain, I'm just showing that I am a present player. "But yeah, Krill is probably a good gambit today." I guess is support for boting against him from star wolf so ill do it, i just dont know why he is a good gambit.
unvote
vote:krill

TheFlax

07-12-2010, 23:26

I just throwing down that vote so i'm not out of this dimension. I really do NOT want to vote abstain, I'm just showing that I am a present player. "But yeah, Krill is probably a good gambit today." I guess is support for boting against him from star wolf so ill do it, i just dont know why he is a good gambit.
unvote
vote:krill

Voting for an unknown quantity (Krill) is better than lynching a confirmed innocent (Diana).

Beefy187

07-12-2010, 23:28

If your leaving pizza, you better not leave with out good byes.

Double A

07-12-2010, 23:30

I hope everything works out...

wideyedwanderer

07-12-2010, 23:31

sorry, i was really rushed when i made that post. By arguments I meant Beskar scanning Diana, I'm gonna trust Beskar and not vote her because he says she is Venomian.
By no strong cases I just mean that neither star fox nor star wolf has advocated a vote for any one person as far as I know. I was genuinely asking why people are voting for Krill because I haven't seen anything that scummy on his part.
I mainly put the vote on psychonaut because people seem to be getting targeted for voting abstain, but I wanted to have voted in case i ran out of time.
but if it makes you happier.
unvote
vote:abstain

Okay, now I'm more suspicious of you Nightbringer. No one claiming to be Star Fox has appeared in this game. Why would you expect Fox to advocate any vote? You might be new to mafia and making mistakes (I am too) but saying, "Star Fox didn't advocate a vote, which means it's not a strong case," just doesn't make any sense. You've been posting often enough to know what's going on in the game. Either you get nervous when people accuse you, or you're mafia.

Secura

07-12-2010, 23:35

Either you get nervous when people accuse you

Newcomers are usually like that, though.

wideyedwanderer

07-12-2010, 23:37

Sorry to hear about your circumstances, Pizza Guy. Hope everything turns out okay. Thanks for making an awesome game, making great write ups, inviting me to this forum, for your general mafia support, and for being a nice guy. Sad to see you go. I wish you all the best.

Nightbringer

07-12-2010, 23:45

Okay, now I'm more suspicious of you Nightbringer. No one claiming to be Star Fox has appeared in this game. Why would you expect Fox to advocate any vote? You might be new to mafia and making mistakes (I am too) but saying, "Star Fox didn't advocate a vote, which means it's not a strong case," just doesn't make any sense. You've been posting often enough to know what's going on in the game. Either you get nervous when people accuse you, or you're mafia.
By star fox i meant a member of team star fox. Although I guess we dont know who any of them are. The reason I want to vote with star fox or star wolf is because i can trust them to not lead me astray. unless they are faking being star fox or star wolf.
Why wouldn't being accused make me nervous, i dont want to die.
I still don't know why we are voting for krill though. is it just because he is unknown and seems somewhat clueless as to whats going on?

wideyedwanderer

07-12-2010, 23:53

Newcomers are usually like that, though.

I know, I'm one of them. That still doesn't mean they can't be mafia. I was mafia in my first game.

Nightbringer,

I would love to vote with star fox too. But like I said, no one this game has claimed to be star fox, can you really expect to vote with him? And voting with Star Wolf isn't the greatest idea. He was a bad guy in the N64 game, remember. I'd be surprised if he didn't have an ulterior motive, and is basically leading us right where he wants us.

People are voting for Krill basically because they don't have anyone better to vote for.

Beskar

07-13-2010, 00:44

I would love to vote with star fox too. But like I said, no one this game has claimed to be star fox, can you really expect to vote with him? And voting with Star Wolf isn't the greatest idea. He was a bad guy in the N64 game, remember. I'd be surprised if he didn't have an ulterior motive, and is basically leading us right where he wants us.

Star Fox Assualt:

General Pepper informs that while the Star Fox team was on Sauria, Corneria City was hit with a full-scale attack by the Aparoids, leaving it devastated(Along with much of the Cornerian Defense Fleet). Fox, with the help of Star Wolf, who arrived to assist in defeating a common enemy, is able to take out most of the attacking Aparoids.

The team enters the core of the planet, with Star Wolf showing up again to help them. Right before they reach the Queen, they are attacked by an extremely durable swarm of Aparoids. Wolf, Leon, and Panther decide to distract them to allow Fox to proceed onwards to the Queen's lair.

Star Fox Command:
Star Wolf is one of the playable characters. (same team)

Cultured Drizzt fan

07-13-2010, 00:47

Nightbringer

07-13-2010, 01:05

Thank you Beskar, with Team Star Fox seemingly absent I think it wise indeed to follow Star Wolf.

pevergreen

07-13-2010, 01:10

and where quite a chunk of the Gameroom originally hailed from.

Of the current crowd maybe, but they still be newcomers. *waves walking stick*

Double A

07-13-2010, 01:35

Of the current crowd maybe, but they still be newcomers. *waves walking stick*

Don't make us capitalize your name again.

civplayah

07-13-2010, 01:38

Askthepizzaguy

07-13-2010, 01:44

What? Pizzaguy? :( If you don't return, we'll all miss you- I hope you know that. If it's not too personal, why exactly do you have to go?

@ civplayah- Should I be forced to go, I will explain in detail in a farewell thread. This isn't the place to discuss RL troubles... I'm sure everyone's got them these days.

@ all- These sort of posts make me feel very welcome, thank you; however I don't want to derail my own game. I would ask everyone who wishes to comment or ask questions to send them to me privately, or leave a comment on my user page.

wideyedwanderer

07-13-2010, 02:03

Remember that Team Star Wolf is a neutral faction. They don't have to support the town.

Nightbringer

07-13-2010, 02:07

but they want to kill the mafia just as much as star fox does

Beskar

07-13-2010, 02:10

Remember that Team Star Wolf is a neutral faction. They don't have to support the town.

True, but on the same point, it would be idoitic of me not to. We have the same enemy, the Big Bad(s). Defending the town allows makes it easier for me to get the mafia.

You could argue, the reason I don't want to release information on confirmed innocents, is because the Mafia will kill them, and make it harder for me to find the Mafia, not because I want to protect those innocents themselves.

Either way, we share the same goal. Working together allows all of us to win the game, creating conflict will make us all lose.

Chaotix

07-13-2010, 02:44

True, but on the same point, it would be idoitic of me not to. We have the same enemy, the Big Bad(s). Defending the town allows makes it easier for me to get the mafia.

You could argue, the reason I don't want to release information on confirmed innocents, is because the Mafia will kill them, and make it harder for me to find the Mafia, not because I want to protect those innocents themselves.

Either way, we share the same goal. Working together allows all of us to win the game, creating conflict will make us all lose.

Or it's possible that you're working with the Big Bad instead.

In fact, it's possible that you're capable of switching sides at any given moment- it would certainly fit with both the "neutral" and "unscrupulous mercenary" aspects of your character.

Isn't it curious that two Star Fox members have been killed once revealed in the thread and yet you haven't even been attacked yet, despite having revealed yourself Day 1? (or close to it, anyway. My memory is fuzzy.)

But I'll say no more on that matter. I'm a Venomian this time; must've been the dead Cornerian in me surfacing. Surely if you were attempting to betray the town you'd bring the Venomian forces to victory too? :grin:

Double A

07-13-2010, 03:39

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Even if you are protected, Andross surely knew I would be too. And we all know how that turned out. (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Fun) There's no reason to why you haven't been at least attacked once Beskar.

Beskar

07-13-2010, 03:47

Actually there is a couple of reasons I can think of why the mafia would want me alive, one of them is, night attack will fail so they would want me lynched instead. Though I am not going to count my chickens before the eggs hatch.

The fact is, your protector never protected you though, Double A, or you would be with us now.

None of them involve working with the Big Bad.

Alexander the Pretty Good

07-13-2010, 04:43

Vote:abstain for now...

naut

07-13-2010, 04:48

Curious.
Curious in a good or bad way?

I'm assuming since you didn't comment on it again she falls into your unknown list?

Choxorn

07-13-2010, 05:46

Alright, so Diana's been scanned Venomian. She's neutral at best, and she's not contributing much. Analysis of her in-thread behavior still makes her look like scum. Also, I would like to point out that in the first post, Pizza explicitly said that investigation roles aren't 100% effective, so she might be Mafia and either an ability makes her look Venomian, or Beskar sometimes scans inaccurately.

So, my vote on her stays.

wideyedwanderer

07-13-2010, 08:01

Vote:abstain for now...

Why abstain at this point in the game?

Nightbringer

07-13-2010, 10:12

I didnt know investigators werent 100% effective. well this just makes things a whole lot harder, we could have mafia sitting safe after a mis scan. i dont know what we can do about it thouhg.

hell_hound

07-13-2010, 10:46

I guess I might as well vote:krill who is probably our best suspect right now.

Beskar

07-13-2010, 10:50

I didnt know investigators werent 100% effective. well this just makes things a whole lot harder, we could have mafia sitting safe after a mis scan.

Actually, they wouldn't be. I know what Pizza is referring too. though.

Nightbringer

07-13-2010, 11:02

Actually, they wouldn't be. I know what Pizza is referring too. though.
ok, glad to know that. so we still going with krill i guess. he doesnt seem to be defending himself either

Askthepizzaguy

07-13-2010, 13:47

The round ends in roughly 3 hours. I need to get some sleep, so just assume whoever is in the lead is lynched and send me your night actions at that time.

Krill

07-13-2010, 16:15

Congrats on killing a Cornerian fighter guys :b:

There is something called sleep, and a job, you know?

Double A

07-13-2010, 16:45

What? And what?

Nightbringer

07-13-2010, 19:02

i think he is saying he is a cornerian and has not been around because of sleep and work
i dont know if he is officially cornerian though

Alexander the Pretty Good

07-13-2010, 19:15

Why abstain at this point in the game?

Cuz I've been too busy playing World of Tanks to see what's going on and I don't want to get chucked out of space.

Askthepizzaguy

07-13-2010, 19:27

Krill: 8 (Beskar, CDF, Skooma, autoycus, TheFlax, landlubber, Nightbringer, hell_hound
Diana: 4 (Choxorn, DiY, Krill, Khazaar)
Beskar: 1 (pevergreen)
autolycus:1 (Secura)
Choxorn: 1 (WEW)

abstain: 1 (ATPGood)

This is not an official tally, because I haven't double-checked it.

I will do a proper write-up when I can, but let's keep the game moving.

If you don't want to wait for the write-up, then click the spoiler for Krill's alignment.

Krill- Cornerian Defense Forces

Krill

07-13-2010, 19:33

See :p iconoclast, misanthrope, and psychopath. I've been called all three of those in the past month. Anything else I should try to be labelled as?

Double A

07-13-2010, 19:39

Loony bin?

wideyedwanderer

07-14-2010, 01:05

Another Cornerian down...

Askthepizzaguy

07-14-2010, 17:15

Still missing orders, from an increasingly small number of people. 24 more hours.

I am also too busy to do a proper writeup; sorry Krill.

naut

07-14-2010, 18:44

Ah poop.

Pinman

07-14-2010, 19:02

Another Cornerian down...:elephant:

So when do we start the party?

landlubber

07-14-2010, 19:14

That may just be the most disturbing smiley ever.

Double A

07-15-2010, 00:01

Not really.

:7stripper:
:virgo:
:china:

Askthepizzaguy

07-15-2010, 18:18

PHASE IS OVER.

I will be very busy this afternoon but I will do a writeup afterward. Sorry for the delay, I will try to do better.

Here is what happened:

Choxorn is slain by the ??? attacker.
Johnhughthom is slain by the Vortex killer.

All night actions, from everyone, were successful.

Click the spoiler to find out who was who, or wait for the writeup.

Choxorn was Fox McCloud
Johnhughthom was Katt Monroe

wideyedwanderer

07-15-2010, 18:23

Freaking :daisy: man. This game seems all but over. Vote:Beskar. Under his "leadership" we've continually lost members of Team Star Fox.

DELETE_THIS

07-15-2010, 18:35

You know it's going to be good when there are 5 spoiler buttons to click through.

Askthepizzaguy

07-15-2010, 18:38

I estimate I might be able to do the real writeup in 5 hours. Sorry, sorry, sorry.... I know this one deserves an actual writeup but I need to keep the game moving and I don't have time right now.

Alive: (21/44)

Alexander the Pretty Good
Autolycus
Beskar
Chaotix
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
hell_hound
Khazaar
landlubber
Miotas
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Secura
shlin28
Skooma Addict
TheFlax
pevergreen
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan

Dead: (22/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot
Choxorn- see above
Johnhughthom- see above

Out of this Dimension: (5/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.

Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

Renata

07-15-2010, 19:05

LOL. I do get the feeling that ??? is trying to be helpful, but at this point he may as well just tell us who he is so he can commit suicide honorably.

Joooray

07-15-2010, 19:25

LOL. I do get the feeling that ??? is trying to be helpful, but at this point he may as well just tell us who he is so he can commit suicide honorably.

Yeah and that much for pro-town-vigilantes.

Renata

07-15-2010, 19:47

Beskar

07-15-2010, 19:51

Freaking :daisy: man. This game seems all but over. Vote:Beskar. Under his "leadership" we've continually lost members of Team Star Fox.

Yes, because the best idea is to lose more pro-town roles by trying to lynch more.

When the truth of the matter is, I saved over 5 known townies from being lynched randomly by the town and I alright out admitted to who I "haven't got a clue" on. So if you want to lynch more innocents for whatever reason then you definitely shouldn't be a town leader of any sort.

As I said, the mafia is hiding in a lurking in-active "CFC'er" or one of these replacements: Chaotix, Death is Yonder, pevergreen, Shlin28. The town can choose which one of the lurking CFC'ers or Replacements to lynch. If I already got a result on them, I will say.

This way, it is still potluck whether or not we get the mafia, but we still don't lynch more known townies.

Beskar

07-15-2010, 19:52

TheFlax

07-15-2010, 19:57

I'd have chosen Nightbringer, myself, but he can still be lynched. 'Course with the way things have been going this game he'd probably just be the winner of the game's "scummiest innocent" award. Still, you can't really let stuff like that go by.

I'd say some of his posts last round were "too scummy". Even so, he's a better vote than most at this point.

Vote: Nightbringer

I'm was also tempted to vote either Miotas or shlin28, I cannot recall a post by either in the last several phases, which means to me they haven't spoken up much and they are IIRC on Beskar's shortlist.

Choxorn

07-15-2010, 21:18

LOL. I do get the feeling that ??? is trying to be helpful, but at this point he may as well just tell us who he is so he can commit suicide honorably.

I highly doubt he's a pro-town vigilante, I haven't been acting nearly as scummy as Nightbringer, or several others.

Renata

07-15-2010, 21:20

Well regardless, he has about one more chance to get it right or a claim might not save him.

Beskar

07-15-2010, 21:54

Well, I lost of ingame stuff because of ??? (recruitable team member, etc), so they are not in my best books.

Double A

07-15-2010, 22:32

RAGE

Dude, not ONE of your core team members has been killed. And for whatever reason, everyone but Peppy is dead on our team.

Renata

07-15-2010, 23:46

Askthepizzaguy

07-15-2010, 23:54

Beginning the writeup now

Beskar

07-15-2010, 23:56

the town starts lynching team Star Wolf themselves.

Why? The town has no beef with Star Wolf. That is crazy talk.

Beefy187

07-16-2010, 00:47

Why? The town has no beef with Star Wolf. That is crazy talk.

:curtain:

Beskar

07-16-2010, 00:59

:curtain:

Star Fox killed you, not me.

Choxorn

07-16-2010, 01:02

All the known Star Fox members are now dead. That leaves Mr Vortex nowhere else to go but to Star Wolf if he wishes to continue killing power roles. By all rights either Beskar and his compatriots soon start dropping like flies, Beskar himself starts finding another attack carrier or two, or the town starts lynching team Star Wolf themselves.

I agree, simply because there's no reason at all why the mafia have allowed Beskar to live this long, no reason why they haven't random-killed at least one Star Wolf Member while they've managed to kill nearly every Star Fox Member, and no reason why he shouldn't have found at least one more of them yet. Even in Return of the Sith, the Sith killed Beskar eventually, because, lynchbait or not, leaving a pro-town power role alive for a long time is dangerous.

DELETE_THIS

07-16-2010, 01:23

Star Wolf is together with Andross in the game.. Just saying..

Beskar

07-16-2010, 01:35

Star Wolf is together with Andross in the game.. Just saying..

If I am mafia, so are you. We are the same alignment.

[Be nice - GH]

Askthepizzaguy

07-16-2010, 02:27

Night Phase Nine

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Venom - Androssian Homeworld

Another "for fun only" video. It has no bearing on the story. For background music, click the music link below this video instead.

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CLICK FOR CLASSIC VENOM MUSIC

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The StarFox team had made it to Venom itself. Now they would begin their final assault on the former Androssian stronghold.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: All craft report in!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: I'm doing fine, Fox! I managed to get all my systems up and running for this one.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: Make way for Katt!

Fox McCloud: Time to show the monkeys who's boss!

Peppy Hare: Split up, and meet at the following coordinates. One of us has to make it to the Androssian capitol.

Katt Monroe: I'm going left, fly boy.

Peppy Hare: I've got the right, Fox.

Fox McCloud: I'll take the middle. Everyone remain in constant radio contact. Keep an eye on your shield gauge.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/worm_hole.png

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: Peppy, there seems to be a Vortex opening above my location. Missiles are emerging.... this could be it.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: Get out of there, Katt! Do a U-turn and head back to my position.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: I'm changing course to assist, Katt.

Katt Monroe: There are.... too many of them!!!

Fox McCloud: I'm almost there, Katt, just hold on.

Katt Monroe: I've been pulled into the Vortex... this could be the end....

Peppy Hare: NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

_________________________

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Hah hah ha, you can never defeat me.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: You killed my greatest love... I'll claw your face off, you twisted space freak!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: NOW you will feel true pain.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: Firing nova bombs.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Those tin cans are no match for me.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: You seem to be recycling your lines a bit.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: These lines are so awesome, they bear repeating.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: Take this, you unoriginal rip-off of every cliche space villain ever!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: ARRRGGGHHHH..... oooooohhhh.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: It must be the eyes.... aim for the eyes.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: I'll crush you.... soon the Lylat System will be mine! MWah ha ha.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: Take this, and this! Die die die!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Ahh... the Son of James McCloud....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: What?? What are you talking about?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Those tin cans are no match for..... no match for..... no match for..... no match for......

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: What's going on? I don't seem to be doing any real damage.... and it's just repeating itself.... hmmm.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Ahh hah ha..... you can NEVER defeat me....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: Setting a collision course.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: NOW you will feel true pain.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: We'll see.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Catspaw.jpg

Katt Monroe piloted her Cat's Paw directly into the image of Andross.... and saw that it was merely a hologram.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross_android.jpg

Android: Those tin cans are no match for me!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpgKatt Monroe: This isn't Andross.... what's going on? ...Oh my God, IT'S A TRAP!!! I have to warn Fox and Peppy!!

Android: NOW YOU WILL FEEL TRUE PAIN!!!!!

*CRUNCH*

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Katt-1.jpg Katt Monroe: Just remember, Cats have nine lives!!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/arwing64.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: Peppy, I find no trace of Katt. We have to continue the mission, and then resume our search.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: I can't talk right now Fox! They're all over me, I can't break free!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: Peppy, I'll be right there.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: Don't worry about me, Fox! I'm old and useless! You have to carry on without me.... follow your father's example.... go on and fight.... don't ever give up, trust your instincts!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: Okay. I'll go it alone from here.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Don't count on that, Star Fox.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Foxhead.gif Fox McCloud: You??? What are you doing here?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Wouldn't you like to know?

The unknown assailant begins firing red plasma at Fox's Arwing.

Fox McCloud: Well I guess I have an idea now....

???: It's time to finish you once and for all.

Fox McCloud: Computer, execute Gamma Epsilon maneuver. Ready the Smart Bombs.

???: Die, you pathetic little furry.

Fox McCloud: Firing Spread between 87 mark 24, and 150 mark 75. Execute.

???: Clever, Fox. But nothing is going to save you THIS time.

Fox McCloud: Okay, let's try a vertical loop.

???: What, is this kindergarten? What else do you got?

Fox McCloud: How about a U-turn?

???: I can do these in my sleep. I'm right behind you!

Fox McCloud: Barrel roll.....

???: Oooh, pretty. I like watching you struggle, it greatly amuses me.

Fox McCloud: Emergency boosters, fire!!!

???: Why don't you tell me everything you do before you do...... WHAT???

Fox McCloud: Ooops, my finger slipped. I guess I must have hit the Air-brake instead. Now I'm right on YOUR tail. Take this!

???: Hah hah.... that's right, keep shooting your little lasers at me. Why don't you get a REAL ship? One that can do one of...... THESE!!!!

Fox McCloud: What the heck? You crashed into me.

???: Too slow to get out of the way?

*WARNING.... WING DAMAGE.*

Fox McCloud: I've taken wing damage. My hyper blasters are gone!

???: I hope you learned how to fly with only one wing.

*WARNING.... SHIELDS AT 9%*

Fox McCloud: Peppy.... I think I might actually need help this time.

???: What's wrong, Fox? You knew the dangers..... are you telling me that you actually fear death? Let me look you in the eye..... I want to see that fear.....

Fox McCloud: Time to go out.... with a bang.....

Fox slammed on the Air-Brake and fired a smart bomb with the launch restraints engaged, causing his craft to self-destruct.... almost directly into the attacking ship.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

???: Oh SHOOT!!!!

The attacking vessel's deflector nearly overloaded in the blast, and it was sent hurtling into space. But the attacking ship survived.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Heh..... Good-bye, Star Fox.

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PHASE COMPLETE

SHIPS DESTROYED: 2

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Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe

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Choxorn- Fox McCloud

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: You've become so strong, Fox. All hope is not yet lost.....

Alive: (21/44)

Alexander the Pretty Good
Autolycus
Beskar
Chaotix
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
hell_hound
Khazaar
landlubber
Miotas
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Secura
shlin28
Skooma Addict
TheFlax
pevergreen
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan

Dead: (22/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud

Out of this Dimension: (5/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.

Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

Continue Day Ten. Phase ends July 17th at 1159 (GMT -5)

Double A

07-16-2010, 02:35

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Diana Abnoba

07-16-2010, 02:35

Beefy IIRC was lynched, so town and Star Fox, killed him. Enough mistakes and missteps to go around, so stop the bickering about them please. We need to focus on our main objective, finding Andross.

I also think that he must be hiding among the replacement players or a CFC player. So I will

Vote: DIY for now.

wideyedwanderer

07-16-2010, 02:42

RAGE

Dude, not ONE of your core team members has been killed. And for whatever reason, everyone but Peppy is dead on our team.

I agree, simply because there's no reason at all why the mafia have allowed Beskar to live this long, no reason why they haven't random-killed at least one Star Wolf Member while they've managed to kill nearly every Star Fox Member, and no reason why he shouldn't have found at least one more of them yet. Even in Return of the Sith, the Sith killed Beskar eventually, because, lynchbait or not, leaving a pro-town power role alive for a long time is dangerous.

Lynch Beskar! Who's with me?

Beskar

07-16-2010, 02:46

Lynch Beskar! Who's with me?

You know, as a Vemonian, we are on the same side right? :juggle:

Don't be dumb by purposefully trying to kill your own team.

Nightbringer

07-16-2010, 02:47

I'd say some of his posts last round were "too scummy". Even so, he's a better vote than most at this point.

Vote: Nightbringer

I'm was also tempted to vote either Miotas or shlin28, I cannot recall a post by either in the last several phases, which means to me they haven't spoken up much and they are IIRC on Beskar's shortlist.

I don't know what I've done that is so scummy. I'm just a noob and a simple venomian fighter. ive just felt like we are all flailing around in the dark, thats why i have been waffling with my vote a lot.
I would say we should follow Beskar's lead but... so i really dont know who to go after at this point. people have said that the replacments were starfox members and unknowns. with starfox gone maybe we should just weed through that list now.
i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf

wideyedwanderer

07-16-2010, 03:02

i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf

Star Wolf and Andross could be working together. None of Star Wolf's team has been killed, and team star fox has practically been annihilated. You would think that the mafia might mistakenly kill off some of team star wolf as they hunt for team star fox, but why hasn't it happened? Beskar openly claimed star wolf a long time ago, yet the mafia think that kat monroe is a bigger threat? Star Wolf is neutral. There's nothing stopping him from taking the side of the mafia.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 03:07

There's nothing stopping him from taking the side of the mafia.

Lies. Especially since my victory condition to defeat the mafia. Even more so, it was the Mafia who revealed me, in efforts to lynch me off. Also, it was me who actually netted us the first dead mafia.

In otherwords, stop blowing smoke.

Double A

07-16-2010, 03:07

You know, as a Vemonian, we are on the same side right? :juggle:

Don't be dumb by purposefully trying to kill your own team.

Dude, I scanned him as non-neutral 7 nights ago.

TheFlax

07-16-2010, 03:12

I don't know what I've done that is so scummy. I'm just a noob and a simple venomian fighter. ive just felt like we are all flailing around in the dark, thats why i have been waffling with my vote a lot.
I would say we should follow Beskar's lead but... so i really dont know who to go after at this point. people have said that the replacments were starfox members and unknowns. with starfox gone maybe we should just weed through that list now.
i certainly dont see why we should try to lynch beskar of all people. star wolf is our best hope. unless people have reasnn to believe he isnt really star wolf but a mafia in disguise. that doesnt seem likely thoguh because he would have been called out by te real star wolf

Why reply to my post with no real accusation in it, instead of Renata's? You say we should weed down the "list", I assume you are talking about Beskar's list? Because you're on that list, AFAIK you haven't been investigated and of all the people on that list, you appear to be the best lynch.

wideyedwanderer

07-16-2010, 03:20

Lies. Especially since my victory condition to defeat the mafia. Even more so, it was the Mafia who revealed me, in efforts to lynch me off. Also, it was me who actually netted us the first dead mafia.

In otherwords, stop blowing smoke.

At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.

Townies, we have two options:

1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.

OR

2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.

pevergreen

07-16-2010, 03:33

Vote: Beskar

We don't want your guns thank you very much.

Nightbringer

07-16-2010, 03:37

Why reply to my post with no real accusation in it, instead of Renata's? You say we should weed down the "list", I assume you are talking about Beskar's list? Because you're on that list, AFAIK you haven't been investigated and of all the people on that list, you appear to be the best lynch.

i quoted that one under the misapprehension that your accusation quoted in it would be carried over.
Yes, I am talking about Beskars list. I thought it was just replacement and CFC players thoguh, of which i am neither. If the lsit is different and i am on it then it makes sense to check me out. but i am not mafia, i am just a venomian. you are welcome to scan me but voting me off wouldent really help anything.

TheFlax

07-16-2010, 03:41

By CFC, Beskar means people who are not gameroom regulars.

TheFlax

07-16-2010, 03:45

At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.

Townies, we have two options:

1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.

OR

2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.

Pinman revealed Beskar he was about to be lynched. Why would he expose an ally in an effort to save himself? It makes no sense. You could argue that it was to permit Beskar to gain some credibility and lead town, but I think it was way too early in the game to pull something like that. I don't think lynching Beskar will lead us anywhere.

wideyedwanderer

07-16-2010, 04:01

Pinman revealed Beskar he was about to be lynched. Why would he expose an ally in an effort to save himself? It makes no sense. You could argue that it was to permit Beskar to gain some credibility and lead town, but I think it was way too early in the game to pull something like that. I don't think lynching Beskar will lead us anywhere.

Perhaps Beskar was not aligned with the mafia at that time. It got to a point where either Pinman or Beskar would be lynched, and Beskar managed to save himself. We should not have absolute faith in Beskar just because he happened to help lynch a single mafia.

Romanic

07-16-2010, 04:07

At that time, either you or pinman were going to be lynched. You made a convincing case and saved yourself by netting a mafia. One mafia. Since then, team star fox and cornerians have dropped like flies. Not to mention you're getting awfully defensive.

Townies, we have two options:

1) Continue to let Beskar live and lose the game.

OR

2) Lynch Beskar and maybe get out of the hole we dug for ourselves.

Lynch Beskar or lose, what a bad argument. You make it sound like there's only 2 options. What will you accomplish by killing Star Wolf? There's at least 3 other Star Wolf team members around (Leon, Panther, Andrew). We would be nowhere closer to a win or a loss, and the Big Bad will still be killing one of us every night.

The Big Bad is the priority.

We should not have absolute faith in Beskar just because he happened to help lynch a single mafia. Exactly. Don't put your faith in Beskar. Don't let him pull the strings. Find your own suspects and go for it, but don't lynch a neutral, he's not who you should be worried about at this point.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 04:15

Dude, I scanned him as non-neutral 7 nights ago.

You did? I thought you scanned him as neutral?

Beskar

07-16-2010, 04:18

unvote; vote: Wideeyewanderer

Mafia. (or extremely deluded townie, which is pretty much as bad)

wideyedwanderer

07-16-2010, 04:23

Lynch Beskar or lose, what a bad argument. You make it sound like there's only 2 options. What will you accomplish by killing Star Wolf? There's at least 3 other Star Wolf team members around (Leon, Panther, Andrew). We would be nowhere closer to a win or a loss, and the Big Bad will still be killing one of us every night.

The Big Bad is the priority.

Exactly. Don't put your faith in Beskar. Don't let him pull the strings. Find your own suspects and go for it, but don't lynch a neutral, he's not who you should be worried about at this point.

Good points. But don't you think it's possible that Beskar could be pulling the strings? Do you have any suggestions as to who would make a better lynch? You were a member of team star fox, after all, and as far as I know, it's ok for you to make suggestions even though you're dead.

Beskar, nice OMGUS.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 04:32

Romanic

07-16-2010, 04:50

Good points. But don't you think it's possible that Beskar could be pulling the strings? Do you have any suggestions as to who would make a better lynch? You were a member of team star fox, after all, and as far as I know, it's ok for you to make suggestions even though you're dead.

Beskar, nice OMGUS.

I don't think it's possible that Beskar is working with the Big Bad, but I've said it many times that he shouldn't be trusted completely. It makes a lot of sense that his goal would conflict with Star Fox at some point in the game (maybe after the Big Bad is dead), but at this point, with Fox dead, do we have to worry about it?

The last time I proposed a lynch it was Beefy. A lot of you followed me on this and we all know how it ended, so I'm a little hesitant to name another for fear that you would follow my lead with too much faith.

However, if it can help, I'll give you a name: pevergreen.

Chaotix

07-16-2010, 05:01

I've had enough of this, Beskar. It's pretty much plainly obvious to everyone now that you're in cahoots with Andross. By allowing Fox to be killed, you've passed the point of no return. You couldn't betray Andross and bring victory to the town and live to tell the tale, even if you wanted to.

And somehow I don't think both Venom and Andross can win at the same time.

Also, I find it once again rather interesting that after I made my post outlining my suspicions that your team could switch sides, I suddenly was placed on the "possibly guilty" list.

I assume I'm next if we allow you to kill wideyedwanderer, too? Well, I'm not going to let that happen.

Vote: Beskar

For selling his soul to Andross.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 05:01

I don't think it's possible that Beskar is working with the Big Bad, but I've said it many times that he shouldn't be trusted completely. It makes a lot of sense that his goal would conflict with Star Fox at some point in the game (maybe after the Big Bad is dead), but at this point, with Fox dead, do we have to worry about it?

The last time I proposed a lynch it was Beefy. A lot of you followed me on this and we all know how it ended, so I'm a little hesitant to name another for fear that you would follow my lead with too much faith.

However, if it can help, I'll give you a name: pevergreen.

You are correct Romanic. I share the same goal as Fox to defeat the Big Bad.

I will follow your wisdom and do this:

unvote; vote: pevergreen.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 05:02

Also, I find it once again rather interesting that after I made my post outlining my suspicions that your team could switch sides, I suddenly was placed on the "possibly guilty" list.

No, the possible guilty is because I haven't investigated you and no I am not in "cahoots" with Andross.

I think it is obvious that you are possibly guilty until proven innocent.

Chaotix

07-16-2010, 05:11

No, the possible guilty is because I haven't investigated you and no I am not in "cahoots" with Andross.

I think it is obvious that you are possibly guilty until proven innocent.

Please explain how it came to be that Team Star Fox has been reduced to Peppy, while Star Wolf is still at full strength.

Double A

07-16-2010, 05:15

By CFC, Beskar means people who are not gameroom regulars.

*cough*

You did? I thought you scanned him as neutral?

You thought wrong?

Beskar

07-16-2010, 05:18

Please explain how it came to be that Team Star Fox has been reduced to Peppy, while Star Wolf is still at full strength.

Ask the Mafia, I obviously cannot answer because I haven't got a clue. But they most likely know that I am protected.

Also, Johnhughthom has been revealed early game, so the Mafia just only have killed him now. Why did they kill random townies first?

Also, you have to ask "What the smeggings was Peppy doing?", Peppy is Star Fox's protector. Did he miss his orders and let two of his team mates die?

Double A

07-16-2010, 05:22

Yeah, about that Beskar...

# Do not reveal information that is not publicly available after you die. Your actions during the night phases, other people's actions, your role, your role PM, communications from the game host, even things you heard as a rumor privately... don't talk about them, don't confirm them when others say them. If you speak after death, you may only refer to IN-THREAD information.

Chaotix

07-16-2010, 05:27

Ask the Mafia, I obviously cannot answer because I haven't got a clue. But they most likely know that I am protected.

Also, Johnhughthom has been revealed early game, so the Mafia just only have killed him now. Why did they kill random townies first?

Also, you have to ask "What the smeggings was Peppy doing?", Peppy is Star Fox's protector. Did he miss his orders and let two of his team mates die?

So, they don't attack you because they know you are protected...

Yet they attack Team Star Fox even though they must assume they are being protected, whether or not that is actually the case.

And this all made sense in your mind when you posted it as your excuse? Try a little harder.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 05:30

Well, there is one protection and two were attacked? Perhaps they were trying to get a confirmed kill? (either a or b dies)

Even then, why weren't either of them protected by their protector?

Chaotix

07-16-2010, 05:42

Well, there is one protection and two were attacked? Perhaps they were trying to get a confirmed kill? (either a or b dies)

Even then, why weren't either of them protected by their protector?

Forget about Peppy. You're avoiding the main accusation here.

You haven't just been lucky to keep your team from being killed, and protection doesn't cover it. 1 protector does not cover a 5-man team!

It is incredibly unlikely that Andross, with his more-or-less random kills, has managed not even once to attack one of your teammates, while at the same time having killed at least 2 of Team Star Fox plus Krystal using solely guesswork.

And on top of that, if I looked a little deeper into this thread, I could probably tell you who your teammates are by the fact that they follow you like sheep. Secura is one that comes to mind. It's plainly obvious she's part of Star Wolf. So if I can guess them, it wouldn't be that hard for Andross (who I'm sure is paying more attention than me) to do the same! And if he can figure out who your team is, why hasn't he started killing them like he did for Star Fox?

Bottom line is, Andross must know who your team is and is deliberately avoiding attacking the entire team. And unless you can give me a reason why he would leave 5 undefended power roles living for this long, the only logical answer is that the two of you have struck a deal.

Double A

07-16-2010, 05:49

Forget about Peppy. You're avoiding the main accusation here.

You haven't just been lucky to keep your team from being killed, and protection doesn't cover it. 1 protector does not cover a 5-man team!

It is incredibly unlikely that Andross, with his more-or-less random kills, has managed not even once to attack one of your teammates, while at the same time having killed at least 2 of Team Star Fox plus Krystal using solely guesswork.

And on top of that, if I looked a little deeper into this thread, I could probably tell you who your teammates are by the fact that they follow you like sheep. Secura is one that comes to mind. It's plainly obvious she's part of Star Wolf. So if I can guess them, it wouldn't be that hard for Andross (who I'm sure is paying more attention than me) to do the same!

Bottom line is, Andross must know who your team is and is deliberately avoiding attacking the entire team. And unless you can give me a reason why he would leave 5 undefended power roles living for this long, the only logical answer is that the two of you have struck a deal.

The only reason I can think of is he's trying to frame them, and that's not a particularly good reason.

Romanic

07-16-2010, 05:57

Who would be the 5th member of the Star Wolf team? I'm counting 4 of them: Wolf, Panther, Leon and Andrew.

Chaotix

07-16-2010, 05:58

The only reason I can think of is he's trying to frame them, and that's not a particularly good reason.

Exactly. If you want to frame someone, you do it when it's only one or maybe two.
You don't frame a whole team of power roles because the end result is that you let them investigate the entire town and reveal their true identity.

And look, Beskar has basically investigated the entire town, save for me and and a few others for some reason. And look, we haven't found any mafia since before Falco and ROB died. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Chaotix

07-16-2010, 05:59

Who would be the 5th member of the Star Wolf team? I'm counting 4 of them: Wolf, Panther, Leon and Andrew.

Pigma. He's been in the write-ups, he must have been recruited by them.

Double A

07-16-2010, 06:06

Pigma. He's been in the write-ups, he must have been recruited by them.

I was in a write-up(s) between when I revealed and when I was recriuted.

Choxorn

07-16-2010, 06:34

Pinman revealed Beskar he was about to be lynched. Why would he expose an ally in an effort to save himself? It makes no sense. You could argue that it was to permit Beskar to gain some credibility and lead town, but I think it was way too early in the game to pull something like that. I don't think lynching Beskar will lead us anywhere.

There are two mafia teams, it's entirely plausible that Pinman was on one and Beskar on the other.

And Beskar, the "You're Protected" excuse is BS. They have no less reason to assume that Double A, or Romanic, or Arpeg, or john, or... any of the pro-town power roles were protected, but attacked them anyway. For that matter, maybe you should re-read the write-ups when Double A and Romanic died for further proof of why this excuse is BS.

Nightbringer

07-16-2010, 08:25

Beskar

07-16-2010, 08:36

I was going to go with Romanic on pevergreen. But it appears that people want to lynch an investigator than make any real attempts against the mafia. :shrug:

Secura

07-16-2010, 11:05

I could probably tell you who your teammates are by the fact that they follow you like sheep. Secura is one that comes to mind. It's plainly obvious she's part of Star Wolf.

This is just plain rude; I have a playstyle of my own that, in just as many cases as it does not, proves to be better than Beskar's, and my votes have only correlated with Beskar's when there has been a genuine person that I've suspected.

I don't need to follow anyone like a sheep, and it's an unusual statement to come from one who keeps bleating anti-Beskar sentiment without thought for the ramifications that lynching him will have; have you not considered the alternative for why he's been kept alive?

You're chewing strips off him and that's exactly what the mafia wants; they don't need to kill Star Wolf when you're pushing for their lynches. I would urge anyone who is neutral in alignment, like Star Wolf, to ignore these inane ramblings and focus on finding the mafia.

And unless you can give me a reason why he would leave 5 undefended power roles living for this long, the only logical answer is that the two of you have struck a deal.

How is it possible that Star Wolf and the Big Bad could have struck together a deal when private communication is forbidden? Even if such a deal had been struck at some point, it's hard to maintain something like that when you're not allowed to contact anyone.

As for my vote, I'm divided between three people currently and will re-evaluate after I've returned from work this evening and there's more to read.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 11:31

You missed the other ramification that lynching me will send Star Wolf team under-ground, because they won't assist the town in anyway, due to fear of getting lynched by people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.

Because of that, the list of innocents will also disappear, and the town will go around lynching eachother, while the mafia are laughing their heads off.

That is what happens when you try to eliminate pro-town mason group because of your own foolishness.

naut

07-16-2010, 14:13

naut

07-16-2010, 14:17

You missed the other ramification that lynching me will send Star Wolf team under-ground, because they won't assist the town in anyway
What do you expect when you and your team has been no help what-so-ever? You haven't been assisting us, so your claim is a crock, whatever happens you aren't helpful.

people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.
No basis? Hah! You lot said you are helping, but it's quite obvious that you have just been a distraction.

Alexander the Pretty Good

07-16-2010, 14:29

Vote: pevergreen on Romanic's suggestion

civplayah

07-16-2010, 16:17

This is ridiculous! Beskar is not working with Andross or the Big Bad. I'll do this just to save Beskar-

vote: pevergreen

autolycus

07-16-2010, 16:17

Wolf O'Donnell, you've caused trouble in our neck of the woods for too long.
Vote:Beskar

pevergreen

07-16-2010, 17:27

Beskar has to go.

1) Basically the entire Star Fox team is dead
2) The last couple rounds he's spoke of his list of innocent players, BUT
3) He continuosly pointed us towards innocents as his "unknowns"

Basically he's full of :daisy:

Vote: Beskar
One of the only times I will agree with you.

This is ridiculous! Beskar is not working with Andross or the Big Bad. I'll do this just to save Beskar-

vote: pevergreen

But General Pepper said I could celebrate.

Cultured Drizzt fan

07-16-2010, 17:58

Beskar has been messing up big time, but I think killing our only known investigation rule seems a bit stupid at this point....

I would like to hear what falco thinks about Beskar, but for Now Vote: pevergreen

Renata

07-16-2010, 18:02

The only reason I can think of is he's trying to frame them, and that's not a particularly good reason.

It's not a bad one -- absent a Star Wolf/Andross alliance, Andross' best strategy is to go after as many of the town's power roles as he can get to first, and only then go after the neutral ones, just in case the town suspects exactly what we do suspect in the meantime. My own death is the only exception to the pattern in the last several days, and before that it was still too early to draw any firm conclusions.

That's why I think Beskar and Co should get just a little bit more leeway. They will start finding Andross' allies with all their power roles, or Andross will get scared enough of them to start killing them now that no Star Fox members are on the table. If neither happens soonish -- well I hate to say it Star Wolf, but you will have brought it on yourself by not pushing any mafia lynches since you outed Pinman. Neutral roles have to expect to be held to a "what have you done for us lately" standard. Maybe Pinman made you an offer you couldn't refuse. How can we know?

Renata

07-16-2010, 18:07

How is it possible that Star Wolf and the Big Bad could have struck together a deal when private communication is forbidden? Even if such a deal had been struck at some point, it's hard to maintain something like that when you're not allowed to contact anyone.

It wasn't forbidden at the time that Pinman was outed, and he DID claim his role in public, as did Beskar. That would free them to speak openly, if they wished to. This is not a good argument.

I feel like I'm going all anti-Beskar here, so I want to disclaim: I STRONGLY oppose Beskar's lynch today. What the heck happened to Nightbringer as an option? Have to go read.

Renata

07-16-2010, 18:12

You know, as a Vemonian, we are on the same side right? :juggle:

Don't be dumb by purposefully trying to kill your own team.

I thought he was Cornerian.

Renata

07-16-2010, 18:15

Beskar

07-16-2010, 18:20

Beskar has to go.

1) Basically the entire Star Fox team is dead
2) The last couple rounds he's spoke of his list of innocent players, BUT
3) He continuosly pointed us towards innocents as his "unknowns"

Basically he's full of :daisy:

What do you expect when you and your team has been no help what-so-ever? You haven't been assisting us, so your claim is a crock, whatever happens you aren't helpful.

No basis? Hah! You lot said you are helping, but it's quite obvious that you have just been a distraction.

Actually, you are full of crock.

Why would I point the town towards innocents? Of course I am going to point the town towards unknowns.

So I am not going to sit there going "I just got the result Psychonaut is Cornerian, I know, lets advise to lynch him because that is surely the cleverest option.", I have said all along that they are acceptable choices and unknowns and if anyone has a better choice outside of selecting a known townie, then surely go ahead.

So don't outright lie and make stuff up.

I have stopped the town outright lynching known innocents, just like yourself. What a fool. I been far more helpful than the Star Fox team, what lynch did they approve for the town? Beefy's. My choices netted us one mafia and narrowed down the suspects a lot almost to the point we can have the mafia gone within a few rounds guaranteed and you are about to throw that away.

Romanic

07-16-2010, 18:21

I think this tally is about right:

5 Beskar (wew, pever, Chaotix, Psychnaut, autolycus)
4 pevergreen (Beskar, ATPGood, civplayah, CDF)
1 Death is Yonder (Diana)
1 wideyedwanderer (Nightbringer)
1 Nightbringer (Flax)
---
? Not voting (everyone else)

Beskar

07-16-2010, 18:21

Remind me if you've been fully cleared by both Star Wolf and Star Fox (or by Arpeg)? Because that's a whole lot of Nintendo Wii there, to steal a phrase. Double A I know scanned you as non-neutral -- Beskar?

He hasn't been cleared, I thought he was by Double A, but Double A meant he wasn't scanned as non-neutral.

Renata

07-16-2010, 18:24

Forget about Peppy. You're avoiding the main accusation here.

You haven't just been lucky to keep your team from being killed, and protection doesn't cover it. 1 protector does not cover a 5-man team!

It is incredibly unlikely that Andross, with his more-or-less random kills, has managed not even once to attack one of your teammates, while at the same time having killed at least 2 of Team Star Fox plus Krystal using solely guesswork.

This is just false, Chaotix. Andross' kills have been anything but random for at least four nights running. Three outed Star Fox members and me. It's even plausible that Andross thought he might be killing a Star Wolf member when he attacked me, what with Beskar's "wink wink nudge nudge I know you're a cornerian" business -- though more likely I was just killed because I was obvious town.

Renata

07-16-2010, 18:26

I guess I would be voting pevergreen today, if I was still alive.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 18:35

This is just false, Chaotix. Andross' kills have been anything but random for at least four nights running. Three outed Star Fox members and me.

People seem to forget the limited Mafia kills and the fact Star Fox all revealed themselves publicly.... :juggle: So the reason Star Fox died is because of their own doing, mainly.

I guess I would be voting pevergreen today, if I was still alive.

Falco (Romanic) said similar earlier, infact, Romanic's choice was pevergreen to be lynched, and Falco said NOT to lynch me. Deluded towns are mafia's best friend.

Romanic

07-16-2010, 18:58

I have stopped the town outright lynching known innocents, just like yourself. What a fool. I been far more helpful than the Star Fox team, what lynch did they approve for the town? Beefy's. My choices netted us one mafia and narrowed down the suspects a lot almost to the point we can have the mafia gone within a few rounds guaranteed and you are about to throw that away.

Do you realize that when I read something like this I just want to scream "Oh lynch Beskar already!" ?

What's up with taking all the credit for lynching Pinman and washing your hands about the lynch of Beefy? Both teams played their parts in these events.

Are you going to blame me if pevergreen turns out Cornerian?

You are ready to use my posts at your convenience when it suits you ("Falco said this", "Falco said that") but otherwise you're quick to point out how Team Star Wolf rocks and how Team Star Fox sucks.

You're not getting diplomacy points here.

johnhughthom

07-16-2010, 19:02

You're pretty much criticising Beskar for doing what Beskar always does, Romanic. :shrug:

Romanic

07-16-2010, 19:08

You're pretty much criticising Beskar for doing what Beskar always does, Romanic. :shrug:

Oh yeah? Well, I'm still getting to know Beskar. Normal behavior or not, it does not excuse how he's acting toward our team. :smash:

Khazaar

07-16-2010, 19:22

Vote: Diana Abnoba

TheFlax

07-16-2010, 19:46

Beskar

07-16-2010, 19:56

Are you going to blame me if pevergreen turns out Cornerian?

You are misreading/misunderstanding the post, intentions and implications. Also, you forgetting the situation I am currently in.

As for pevergreen, he is guilty untill proven innocent whether by investigation or when dead. He is a far better choice than the majority I have investigated or been otherwise cleared.

Frozen In Ice

07-16-2010, 19:58

Beskar

07-16-2010, 20:12

I think at this point Beskar should just post his list of unknowns, and then each day the town takes down one person on the list. Portions of the town are obviously becoming desperate (with good reason) and I think this may be the only way to calm the town down and re-set everyone's focus.

There is ample number of suspects named in the thread already, wideeyewanderer, Nightbringer, Chaotix, pevergreen, Death is Yonder, Shlin28.

There is only a couple more I don't know the identities of, which I won't reveal, as it will reveal who is definitely cleared.

At the current rate of +1 inv, +1 lynch, we should have definitely found the mafia in the max of 4 rounds.

Obviously lynching me removes the inv and wastes a lynch, which lengthens the game by 5 rounds to a total of 9. Then there are those who will not vote for these names for reasons beyond rational thought, like Khazaar who just voted for a previously revealed innocent, etc, Which pretty much spells the doom of the town and mafia victory.

Skooma Addict

07-16-2010, 20:26

Almost all of Team Star Fox revealed themselves openly and they were killed one by one because of it. I believe the reason Team Star Wolf is still alive is because none of them are known to anyone other then Beskar. Keeping him alive would give the mafia the best chance of allowing Team Star Wolf to be outed publicly so they can be night killed or possibly even lynched as we can clearly see happening here. If the other wolf members were outed, the town would have a field day lynching them out of frustration and to his credit, keeping them secret is the best move Wolf has made thus far. Let us not forget his role in pinman's demise and that has to count for something. However, I do disagree with keeping the list of unknowns secret since it limits the town to mostly voting for your chief suspect when the town may find others in the list more satisfactory to be lynched. Overall though, disregarding that particular aspect of it, it is a relatively sound strategy and it is only a matter of time before Andross is discovered.

Vote: pevergreen

Give wolf a little more time before releasing the hounds. For the moment, time is still an ally.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 20:50

I would have set-up a TIN which would have been the "proven innocents" in it. But Pizza disabled that, due to people rulebreaking.

Nightbringer

07-16-2010, 21:16

well it look like Beskar is advocating Pevergreen at this point. Since the Lynch attempt on Beskar seems to be safely failing im going to keep my vote on wideeyed wanderer because i think someone so viciously going after star wolf is pretty dangerous. and we do know that he isnt neutral. which could mean either town or mafia.
as to the suggestion of me, i suggest you scan me so i can be a trusted member of the debate and dont take up more of people's time

Choxorn

07-16-2010, 21:38

This is just false, Chaotix. Andross' kills have been anything but random for at least four nights running. Three outed Star Fox members and me. It's even plausible that Andross thought he might be killing a Star Wolf member when he attacked me, what with Beskar's "wink wink nudge nudge I know you're a cornerian" business -- though more likely I was just killed because I was obvious town.

Then why hasn't Beskar been killed, by either Andross or Question Marks? With ???'s kill patterns, there's no way he could still be a pro-town vigilante, there's no way a vigilante could justify killing me unless he's killing people at random. They're clearly both mafia, and if independent of Star Wolf, why have neither of them targeted even one Wolf member yet? Beskar's been a revealed power role since day 4, even if neutral, you just don't leave power roles alive that long.

landlubber

07-16-2010, 22:08

Vote:pevergreen

Double A

07-16-2010, 22:17

Maybe Andross saw Star Fox as a bigger threat and has focused on getting rid of him. or maybe andross thinks that star wolf will have an objective change that places them on the same side. all i know is that the venomian objective is still to defeat the big bad. with that in consideration, i am going to follow the best leader we have (Beskar) and vote:wideeyedwanderer

Let's see...

Beskar: Leader of a power role team, probably protected
Double A: scanner that can't detect mafia and part of a power role team, possibly protected.

If I were Andross, and Andross were me, Beskar would be dead a LONG time ago. Way before Slippy.

Beskar

07-16-2010, 22:22

The mafia can just get the town to lynch me, and thereby turning the town against the Star Wolf team and the Star Wolf team won't work with the town, because the town would just lynch them waton.

On the otherhand, Star Fox team has immunity from lynching, because of their name.

So killing off Star Fox makes Star Wolf look scummy, and turns the town against Star Wolf. Pretty simple and effective plan. Look at this phase, it is proof that it is working for them.

Nightbringer

07-16-2010, 22:35

Let's see...

Beskar: Leader of a power role team, probably protected
Double A: scanner that can't detect mafia and part of a power role team, possibly protected.

If I were Andross, and Andross were me, Beskar would be dead a LONG time ago. Way before Slippy.

Just going off what you said going after double a looks like a better bet. Beskar is the only revealed star wolf, so he is going to be protected every time. star fox and other power roles are revealing everywhere so they cant all be protected. just keep hitting star fox members and they will keep falling, in other words, exactly what has happened

Double A

07-16-2010, 22:36

Nightbringer

07-16-2010, 22:47

It's not simple at all. It easily could have been stopped if Star Wolf and/or Star Fox vigged someone, assuming either team had the ability.
vigged?

Askthepizzaguy

07-17-2010, 00:10

vigged?

"vigilante kill"

refers to when non-mafia perform a night kill.

Diana Abnoba

07-17-2010, 05:51

Unvote: Vote: pevergreen I will also follow Falco's and Beskar's advice. *crosses fingers, and hopes he is one of the mafia* Better an unknown player, than a pro town player people.

Chaotix

07-17-2010, 06:11

This is just plain rude; I have a playstyle of my own that, in just as many cases as it does not, proves to be better than Beskar's, and my votes have only correlated with Beskar's when there has been a genuine person that I've suspected.

I don't need to follow anyone like a sheep, and it's an unusual statement to come from one who keeps bleating anti-Beskar sentiment without thought for the ramifications that lynching him will have; have you not considered the alternative for why he's been kept alive?

You're chewing strips off him and that's exactly what the mafia wants; they don't need to kill Star Wolf when you're pushing for their lynches. I would urge anyone who is neutral in alignment, like Star Wolf, to ignore these inane ramblings and focus on finding the mafia.

How is it possible that Star Wolf and the Big Bad could have struck together a deal when private communication is forbidden? Even if such a deal had been struck at some point, it's hard to maintain something like that when you're not allowed to contact anyone.

As for my vote, I'm divided between three people currently and will re-evaluate after I've returned from work this evening and there's more to read.

I know this post was a while ago, but I don't want to leave it unanswered.

If I offended you, then you have my apologies. :bow:

I did not mean to imply that simply following Beskar's orders was the extent to which you're playing the game. Obviously you have a distinct playstyle. However, you are more often than not on Beskar's side of the argument- you strengthen the arguments he makes with your own points, and you defend him when he's not around to do it himself.

However, dear, the admission by non-denial is rather telling. My guess was correct all the same, no?

To refute the arguments you made in this post:

-Again, if Star Wolf were actually looking for Andross they would have found him by now.
-Andross would not leave a team of five power roles alive just because I'm pushing for Beskar's lynch; and again, virtually nobody has been pushing for his lynch until last round or so.
-I assume Team Star Wolf has a means of communicating amongst themselves privately. I see no reason why a similar means could not be used to link Andross and Wolf together, especially if they are allied.

Oh, and I've been looking around the thread for more of the telltale signs of Team Star Wolf. Here's what I found:

Based on her voting patterns (i.e., look at the post above me) and her general support of Beskar, I'd venture an educated guess that Diana Abnoba is also part of Star Wolf.

pevergreen

07-17-2010, 07:07

This is deeply depressing.

Unvote, Vote: pevergreen

You may find Beskar undiplomatic, but that doesn't mean he's in league with Andross. All the arguments I see is a bunch of cornerians who are angry their power roles almost all got killed and now they are lashing out against the only person they can.

Directed at me?

Regardless, have fun lynching whoever I replaced's vanilla role.

From one basic to another :shrug:

ATPG: Can I fly down Andros's tunnel of love and try to see his falanges? I promise to keep my arms, legs and falanges inside the cockpit at all times.

Unvote: Beskar. Vote: pever the green

TheFlax

07-17-2010, 09:40

Directed at me?

Regardless, have fun lynching whoever I replaced's vanilla role.

From one basic to another :shrug:

ATPG: Can I fly down Andros's tunnel of love and try to see his falanges? I promise to keep my arms, legs and falanges inside the cockpit at all times.

Unvote: Beskar. Vote: pever the green

Sorry, pever, it wasn't directed at you. I was saying "you" as a generalisation of players voting for Beskar.

Secura

07-17-2010, 10:35

However, dear, the admission by non-denial is rather telling. My guess was correct all the same, no?

So, if I denied it, you'd say that I was lying, and if I ignore it entirely, it makes it so anyway? o_O

Damned if you do, damned if you don't... that's not the best way to approach the game, in my opinion.

Askthepizzaguy

07-17-2010, 13:12

round ends in less than 4 hours.

Rather sleepy, so the update could be late; send in night actions immediately afterward. Writeup to follow when I wakeys.

Death is yonder

07-17-2010, 16:58

Right, I'll try and stay objective on this post, and retain some sense of probability that Beskar is actually still neutral despite his actions. (Because I'm going to propose giving him one night's grace)

Note: Fairly Strong Tone, but I feel it necessary to highlight that Beskar is not our ultimate savior or something. Read with a pinch of salt, this is my opinion, substantiated with some fact and interpretations.
Disclaimer: I don't know about you, but I was rather trusting in Beskar's open leadership until I reviewed all of this material which I sourced. Several important contradictions and "jedi mind tricks" are contained within here.

The bad news is, the Mafia are hiding within the lurkers, non-Orgahs and the replacements. While my last investigations have been searching within these areas, I keep hitting "n00bian defence force" "n00bian fighter". However, there is another problem with the list of lurkers/replacements/etc which haven't been investigated. Both Fox and Peppy are on it as well. This means the Mafia might hit the list which would be helpful, however, it would spell the end of Star Fox/Peppy if we end up lynching one of them or them getting night killed.

Lo and behold, are you psychic or merely the orchestrator of the future? :thinking:

So we have a choice. Either I reveal the list of those I don't know the identities of, perhaps giving away Fox and Peppy to the mafia, but inversely the list can be used by the mafia to lynch confirmed innocents.

Highly counterproductive by Beskar at this point. Oh look, you basically just said, "power roles are in the replacement list", and look where that got Starfox.

I would like to very strongly note here, that Beskar is not proactively helping us with aforementioned results. Instead, he keeps it to himself, and only uses it when one of his likely compatriots come under fire. Why so defensive? Why aren't you sharing this information to help us all?

And most importantly, what is this choice you speak off, I see only one option presented, the option that doesn't put your or your team in deep water.

Beskar: Contradictions, random nonsense I found

In essence, the only single scrap of evidence that gives reason for us to trust Beskar is that he lynched Pinman, a known mafia. How many rounds was that ago? What developments have we seen till now? Lots of hot air about investigations on virtually everybody occurring.

Beskar says that he has investigated practically all orgahs, which leaves replacements, CFCs and newcomers. Why does Beskar assume that all targets of note reside within the orgah community?

Placing a relatively large database of people to individually question? Furthermore, what you propose is that hordes of power roles lie within that segment, since you say that all you've been hitting is "n00bian cornelians" etc?

Beskar suggest a highly improbable thing here, that by some probability that likely exceeds 1 in a million, every single orgah in this game is a n00bian character, leaving only CFC's, replacements and various others.

Star Fox killed you, not me.

And where did your supposedly "extensive" information network that included every non-replacement orgah come in?

I will quote it again for special effects and all:

Mafia are hiding within the lurkers, non-Orgahs and the replacements

Then why did you let Beefy just stroll to his doom????

If still unsure about rational behind the hidden agenda thinking, open below spoiler

Chain of Events IIRC:

Beskar says that he has investigated practically all orgahs, which leaves replacements, CFCs and newcomers. Why does Beskar assume that all targets of note reside within the orgah community?

Why?

He claims to have the information.

Beefy is a very well known orgah in the gameroom

Beefy waltzed to his lynch with Beskar keeping quiet, despite supposedly having information

Beefy was lynched and Beskar goes: What to do, were just following Starfox, its all their fault, etc etc. "Obviously Starfox messed up bigtime" and you get the general idea.

I don't know about you, but this screams hidden agenda, hidden motives, ulterior victory conditions.

You missed the other ramification that lynching me will send Star Wolf team under-ground, because they won't assist the town in anyway, due to fear of getting lynched by people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.

Because of that, the list of innocents will also disappear, and the town will go around lynching eachother, while the mafia are laughing their heads off.

That is what happens when you try to eliminate pro-town mason group because of your own foolishness.

Yet another contradiction in Beskar's list of psychological tricks. Then again, I'm not surprised, considering your background.

If you are lynched, and truly who you are, why would lynching you send the team underground?

Understandably they will continue underground rather than being sent underground because their public mouthpiece has been lynched.

But your choice of words is that:

because they won't assist the town in anyway, due to fear of getting lynched by people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.

At this point, I will like to interject if its not clear, that I am not accusing Beskar of falsely claiming Starwolf. I am accusing him of carrying a hidden agenda, possibly revenge against Starfox, to backstab him, and at very worse, resorting to consorting with Andross (temporarily) to unite against a common enemy: Fox.

Wouldn't this be highly ironic because it sounds just like the motivation for Wolf to ally temporarily with Fox? Just saying on an unrelated note (the latter).

I understand that some of you may have some doubts about what I'm saying at this point, so I'll simply direct you to keep reading.

Yes, because the best idea is to lose more pro-town roles by trying to lynch more.

When the truth of the matter is, I saved over 5 known townies Known townies? Yet where's this list, wheres all the substantiation to support all this? You must understand Beskar, you are a neutral person who has a history of being against Starfox, I wouldn't be surprised if you had a hidden agenda behind all this from being lynched randomly by the town and I alright out admitted to who I "haven't got a clue" on. So if you want to lynch more innocents for whatever reason then you definitely shouldn't be a town leader of any sort.

As I said, the mafia is hiding in a lurking in-active "CFC'er" or one of these replacements: Chaotix, Death is Yonder, pevergreen, Shlin28. The town can choose which one of the lurking CFC'ers or Replacements to lynch. If I already got a result on them, I will say.

This way, it is still potluck whether or not we get the mafia, but we still don't lynch more known townies.

On a lighter note: (Less firm, because I'm not advocating a direct lynch of Beskar, just feeling the need to remind people of several things before blindly trusting him)

The mafia can just get the town to lynch me, and thereby turning the town against the Star Wolf team and the Star Wolf team won't work with the town, because the town would just lynch them waton.

On the otherhand, Star Fox team has immunity from lynching, because of their name.

So killing off Star Fox makes Star Wolf look scummy, and turns the town against Star Wolf. Pretty simple and effective plan. Look at this phase, it is proof that it is working for them.

Confused --> So now you say that Starfox has immunity from lynching because of their name? Evidently because they are definitely pro-town Beskar :shrug:

You are a neutral individual, and what I find extremely odd is that now you've taken to referring yourself as a pro-town role. The key idea of "neutrality" is that in this case you are neither here nor there. Referring to yourself as a pro-town role who is extremely critical to town efforts is incorrect IMO, I'm not seeing the need to constantly remind people on big speakers everywhere as if lynching you would lose the game for everyone but the mafia.

People seem to forget the limited Mafia kills and the fact Star Fox all revealed themselves publicly.... So the reason Star Fox died is because of their own doing, mainly.

Arguably so, but your team has defied all odds to come through without a single scratch on existing members as pointed out by the dead Starfox members

Conclusion: Would just like to remind everyone, that despite his continual proclamations of himself as a pro-town individual, whose removal would epicly cripple anti-mafia efforts, Beskar is a neutral person. Additionally, his tone has gradually changed since the Pinman incident. There, he explicitly claimed neutral and acted thusly so. Now? He's elevated himself to pro-town.

Vote: pevergreen

~For activity, and since this lynch is not going to be prevented

Death is yonder

07-17-2010, 17:23

Yes I know I posted all this just before the deadline and all, which isn't probably going to have any effect on the present round, but my intentions were not to lynch Beskar.

I was re-reading to check for whom Beskar says is innocent and all for future reference, then all these caught my eye.

Additionally, right now basically people seem to have forgotten that Beskar is neutral AND has a history of animosity against Fox.

Not sure if you draw the same conclusions as me, but I personally feel that Beskar is hiding something, and this could be just another scam.

Lastly, I have this nagging feeling that Beskar is pulling off Mafia Mongolica Take 2 (Khaan's game, sometime last year)

It sounds vastly similar in a way.

For those unclear, it was a game where he as mafia, put his own teammate (who he had to remove in order for the final victory, but temporarily needed) in the open, to gain credibility. He expressed his lamentations that post-mortem reveals weren't allowed, busting his whole scheme.

Circa Present Day/Game [Star Fox Lylat Wars reveals upon death]

Star Fox Lylat Wars --> Pinman falsely exposes Beskar on charges easily batted aside, and the tables are turned, and suddenly Pinman is easily lynched and Beskar gains massive credibility which endures until now, as evidenced by in thread responses.

Am I the only one seeing this coincidence?

Also, in Beefy's recent game [Beefdom will Rise again]: I think that after successfully pulling off an early scam and using it to supplement his mafia victory, Beskar realized how important and potentially useful getting credibility in the early game is.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Basically, I'm seeing Beskar slowly pushing himself forward on what credibility he got from Pinman's lynch.

I know people have argued that if they were on the same team, that would be stupid, but clearly, Beskar is needlessly contradicting himself, spreading bad information, blaming things on the Starfox team (beefy), and most importantly:

Recently, Beskar is verging on threatening people if they don't follow him. Its implied.

Its like "oh if you lynch me, we're gonna withdraw all support, then you are all going to lose".

I'm not liking that tone, its as if intimidating us for a specific purpose.

Beskar

07-17-2010, 18:00

I am going to reply to your accusations, just to show how absurd they are. Your posts were a complete desperate attempt.

results. Instead, he keeps it to himself, and only uses it when one of his likely compatriots come under fire. Why so defensive? Why aren't you sharing this information to help us all?

Where to start?

The fact I gave about six names of people not investigated gives a big assisting hand of where the town to focus on the likely suspects. So that counters your "point" of not helping at all.

Also, why should I give the full list of information? So then the mafia could kill all the confirmed innocents and team Star Wolf? Also, Sorry, I want the unconfirmed suspects to die or be investigated for obvious reasons, as it would net us our mafia.

Beskar says that he has investigated practically all orgahs, which leaves replacements, CFCs and newcomers. Why does Beskar assume that all targets of note reside within the orgah community?

Beskar suggest a highly improbable thing here, that by some probability that likely exceeds 1 in a million, every single orgah in this game is a n00bian character, leaving only CFC's, replacements and various others.

Where are you even going with this? It doesn't make any sense. Saying the Mafia is hiding in CFC members which haven't been investigated or Replacements says exactly that. Are you going to attack my choice of investigating Psychonaut before Wideeyewander, Yaseikhaan before Nightbringer? Also, I don't even get your other point about 'noobian cornerians' when I actively protected a bunch of cornerians from getting lynched. So what you are saying again, is just waffle.

Then why did you let Beefy just stroll to his doom????

Because Star Fox said he was guilty and I hadn't investigated him?

I think I should get a bonus point.

If you are lynched, and truly who you are, why would lynching you send the team underground?

Understandably they will continue underground rather than being sent underground because their public mouthpiece has been lynched.

Because Star Wolf is above ground because of me, so lynching me would remove them from the town knowledge, also they won't assist the town because they keep trying to lynch us based on nonsense, just like any reasonable pro-town group would act.

Known townies? Yet where's this list

You accuse me of protecting people with one hand, then say I don't protect people with the other? Contradiction. Also, I am not going to post a list of known innocents for obvious reasons, but I have said on occasions who is a town. Infact, if you really want, I made a list of about six suspects who are not investigated. If you are clever, you will reverse this and you will realise I know the roles of approximately 14 people. :juggle:

I feel this is more about the fact you are on the suspect list and not one of the 14.

You are a neutral individual, and what I find extremely odd is that now you've taken to referring yourself as a pro-town role. The key idea of "neutrality" is that in this case you are neither here nor there. blah blah blah

So are all the Venomians? There are two town factions remember. Don't get your possible Cornerian/Andross underpants in a twist.

Its like "oh if you lynch me, we're gonna withdraw all support, then you are all going to lose".

I'm not liking that tone, its as if intimidating us for a specific purpose.

Yes, because lynching the last town investigator will obviously only benefit the town and not harm it in anyway.

Also, on some hilarious note, the ones mainly accusing me are infact the possible mafia suspects. Did accusing you harm your ego's or something because one of you was most likely the mafia? The only person voting me who isn't a mafia suspect is Psychonaut. (last time I checked the tally)

Death is yonder

07-17-2010, 18:15

Simply put, the posts was not motivated by the fact that you accused me. But rather a general reminder that you aren't pro-town aligned.

Your posts were a complete desperate attempt.

Now Beskar, you are basically implying that I'm a desperate mafia whose trying to get you lynched?

Also, why should I give the full list of information? So then the mafia could kill all the confirmed innocents and team Star Wolf? Also, Sorry, I want the unconfirmed suspects to die or be investigated for obvious reasons, as it would net us our mafia.

That is not the main point of contention. Which is in fact that you seem to have ulterior motives.

Where are you even going with this? It doesn't make any sense. Saying the Mafia is hiding in CFC members which haven't been investigated or Replacements says exactly that. Are you going to attack my choice of investigating Psychonaut before Wideeyewander, Yaseikhaan before Nightbringer? Also, I don't even get your other point about 'noobian cornerians' when I actively protected a bunch of cornerians from getting lynched. So what you are saying again, is just waffle.

You're misinterpreting me, YOU stated that the unclears for you were CFCs, relatively new players, and replacements. Are you telling me that that sentence is not explicitly stating that you have knowledge of practically (if not) all orgah regulars?

Because Star Fox said he was guilty and I hadn't investigated him?

I think I should get a bonus point.

And how would I know this? With you going around claiming that you had the most comprehensive information network on tons of players.

Yes, because lynching the last town investigator will obviously only benefit the town and not harm it in anyway.

Right. Here again my motives are warped. Didn't I already state I'm not accusing you of lying about being Star Wolf and possibly having investigative powers? I'm actively proposing a theory that is fairly plausible IMO that you have ulterior motives. Stop warping my intentions.

Anyway, feel free to continually cite this for the next ~11 hours that I'm gone. Now if you'll excuse me.

Nightbringer

07-17-2010, 20:27

TheFlax

07-17-2010, 20:54

I have to say, jumping in with this thesis on why Beskar shouldn't be trusted after 0 posts since you came in as a replacement is highly suspicious in my eyes. It sounds to me like mafia throwing everything they've got into breaking the towns trust of star wolf when suspicious are already being raised. This also makes it clear that you have been watching whats going on without posting, added scum.
I can't be sure but this just smells to me of scum. Silence to avoid attention followed by a burst of activity to frame an investigator as untrustworthy.
unvote; vote:Death is Yonder

Wow. So many things wrong with this post. First off, the day phase ended more than 3 hours before your post. Second, DiY replaced remake20 fairly early in the game (day 2 or 3 IIRC) and has 24 posts to his names. I didn't reread the thread recently, but DiY has posted more than "0 posts" since replacing, that's for sure, else he would have been WOGed. Third, lurking is now "scum"? :rolleyes: Fourth, "I can't be sure but this just smells to me of scum." Possibly hedging? You seem sure enough to place a vote. Fifth and final, how is anything that DiY posted a frame? I don't agree with what he said, but it seems to me like its a theory based on thread information and suppositions.

All I see with your post is someone who knows he might be the next lynch target and is trying to redirect attention.

Askthepizzaguy

07-17-2010, 21:26

Hey I just woke up. Whoever was in the lead at 1200 GMT-5 is lynched.

I'll do a tally, and a writeup when I can.

NIGHT ACTIONS TO ME PLEASE.

Choxorn

07-17-2010, 22:37

IIf you are clever, you will reverse this and you will realise I know the roles of approximately 14 people. :juggle:
I feel this is more about the fact you are on the suspect list and not one of the 14.

Yes, because lynching the last town investigator will obviously only benefit the town and not harm it in anyway.

And this, Beskar, is something that doesn't make any sense at all to me. How can you possibly know that many roles, while having only 9 nights to investigate? You would have needed to know 5 roles at the beginning, which is slightly bigger than your entire team, EVEN ACCOUNTING FOR PEOPLE YOU RECRUITED AT SOME POINT, assuming you have that ability. Also, why are you an investigator that can definitively see what every single role is? Nobody on our team had an investigation role nearly as powerful as that.

Askthepizzaguy

07-18-2010, 00:59

I am officially the worst host I've ever been, because I haven't even done a tally yet. :wall:

Okay doing that now for reals.

johnhughthom

07-18-2010, 01:05

I am officially the worst host I've ever been.

Well, that still makes you twice as good as any other host.

Askthepizzaguy

07-18-2010, 01:12

Well, that still makes you twice as good as any other host.

High praise, but there are grandmasters around here that continue to inspire me with their profound excellence and abundant creativity, easily as good or better than me.

TALLY:

Beskar: WEW, Chaotix, Psychonaut, autolycus
pevergreen: Beskar, ATPGood, civplayah, CDF, FLax, skooma, lubber, diana, pever, diy
diy: Nightbringer
Diana: Khazaar

pevergreen is lynched, writeup to follow.

Click the spoiler to see who or what you lynched, or wait for the writeup and find out.

pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter Pilot

James McCloud: Never give up... but your instincts need a tuning? :embarassed:

:clown: Game isn't over yet. Keep trying.

wideyedwanderer

07-18-2010, 01:34

Wonderful job guys. Let's keep listening to Beskar and lynch Cornerians, shall we? That'll win the game - for Beskar.

Frozen In Ice

07-18-2010, 03:13

I wouldn't give up on Beskar yet. His list of "unknowns" include wideeyewanderer, Nightbringer, Chaotix, Death is Yonder, Shlin28, and a few others he won't mention. If we just focus on the ones he had mentioned we are down to five people. IMO we can scribble out wideeyewanderer for now because of his very Cornerian-ish appearance in the beginning of the game. That puts us down to four, Beskar scans one, we're down to three, and that's not bad odds to choose from.

Each passing day it does seem more and more like a trap but I really think the town should give Beskar one more day.

johnhughthom

07-18-2010, 03:25

I really think the town should give Beskar one more day.

And another, and another, and another, then it's game over.

Choxorn

07-18-2010, 04:07

We've given him his one more day. Now he better find some mafia, or he's almost certainly one himself.

Chaotix

07-18-2010, 04:13

Death is yonder

07-18-2010, 04:54

Indeed, what I'm advocating is basically echoing what Renata said earlier this round.

Beskar needs to give us more results other than just relying upon and rehashing his Pinman credibility.

Furthermore, it is improbable that Star Wolf team will go on without any attacks occurring on them.

At least we're acknowledging that Beskar is probably scum now. The next step is wanting to lynch him.

We're acknowledging that Beskar could be scum, and his motives are questionable. Add in the odds-defying events such as his entire team not even being attacked throughout the course of the game.

I would like to stress again (to the disgruntled public who refute what I'm saying) that my accusation was not that Beskar is lying about being Starwolf/member of wolf team, or even that he actually doesn't have investigative powers, but that he has a hidden agenda.

Especially consider the Beefy incident.

You can even see Beskar trying to use jedi mind tricks on the general populace to make his posts sound better, such as giving a "choice" to people with only one option. Just read through my whole post, more concise than what I'm saying.

Nightbringer could be scum too though, this post reeked of it.

I have to say, jumping in with this thesis on why Beskar shouldn't be trusted after 0 posts since you came in as a replacement is highly suspicious in my eyes. It sounds to me like mafia throwing everything they've got into breaking the towns trust of star wolf when suspicious are already being raised. This also makes it clear that you have been watching whats going on without posting, added scum.
I can't be sure but this just smells to me of scum. Silence to avoid attention followed by a burst of activity to frame an investigator as untrustworthy.
unvote; vote:Death is Yonder

Throwing everything they've got? Right, so town is suppose to sit back and let a neutral party win the game for them? Ignoring an extreme lore-wise possibility that Wolf retains his animosity against Fox?

I admit I've been somewhat inactive in the previous 48 hours due to RL priorities, but this shouldn't affect your judgment on what I'm saying because of that. Stop generalizing through my posts, pause to read and consider the substance within the content.

I can't be sure but this just smells to me of scum. Silence to avoid attention followed by a burst of activity to frame an investigator as untrustworthy.

So you can't be sure, but later in the post you sound extremely convinced.

I think Psychonaut had it spot on the nail when he said that Nightbringer was an extremely scummy suspect that needs to be dealt with.

So, has the comprehensive information network possessed by Beskar investigate Nightbringer, which IIRC was clearly and explicitly request by Psycho in return for dropping his vote on Nightbringer and going with the plan (Arp THIS and Double A I think)?

If not maybe Nightbringer should be tomorrows lynch.

To sum up what I think about Beskar's claim of information:

9 Night phases have elapsed till this point of time. Beskar claims to have information on at least half the players, to a point where now suspects have only been narrowed down to 5 ish people.

Beskar is proposing that with 9 phases, he has accomplished thorough and conclusive investigations on basically 10+ people.

Obviously he's hiding some people under the rug, Beskar is lying about some things too. And don't give me the nonsense that telling this information in public would help the mafia. You lied about statistics.

wideyedwanderer

07-18-2010, 05:16

We've given him his one more day. Now he better find some mafia, or he's almost certainly one himself.

I liked it better that way.

At least we're acknowledging that Beskar is probably scum now. The next step is wanting to lynch him.

Lynch Beskar? But why in the name of General Pepper would we do that? Beskar's guidance has done so much good...for the mafia. Let's give it one more day and see if he can nail Peppy, too.

If not maybe Nightbringer should be tomorrows lynch.

Nightbringer is scummy, too, but he can wait. Beskar is likely the bigger problem. We should've lynched him by now.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 06:08

Wonderful job guys. Let's keep listening to Beskar and lynch Cornerians, shall we? That'll win the game - for Beskar.

Yeah, because it Definitely WASN'T FALCO that told us to lynch pevergreen. I only said he was only the ones not investigated, aka, I don't know what he is, so one of the options where the mafia was hiding.

So trying to say I picked Cornerians is a really incorrect statement. pevergreen was one of the people I not checked and Frozen in Ice in precisely correct.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 06:16

Beskar is proposing that with 9 phases, he has accomplished thorough and conclusive investigations on basically 10+ people.

Obviously he's hiding some people under the rug, Beskar is lying about some things too. And don't give me the nonsense that telling this information in public would help the mafia. You lied about statistics.

Erm, are you forgetting that I know 5 people, including myself, plus the results from Double A and ArgTHIS?

So 9 + 5 + results from two others.

It is entirely logical that I am correct. I am not lying at all, and telling everyone who is who, is a very bad move. You are playing very badly for some reason DIY, I don't know if it is because you are scum or too distracted with your studies. Your statements are full of mistakes and critical errors.

Choxorn

07-18-2010, 06:35

That adds up to 16. There are 20 players alive right now, which means that you have someone on your suspect list of 5 people that you know the role of. :dizzy2: Meaning that you don't know 3 people and Peppy, or 4 people and you do know Peppy and you're just lying.

Either way, a mafia team smaller than 4 people in a game like this would be ridiculous, so I'm going to have to declare shenanigans on your investigations if you scan another n00bian fighter tonight.

It does add up, assuming you actually did know your entire team from the start of the game. Why did you know your entire team from the start when we didn't?

Beskar

07-18-2010, 06:43

Either way, a mafia team smaller than 4 people in a game like this would be ridiculous, so I'm going to have to declare shenanigans on your investigations if you scan another n00bian fighter tonight.

So, I am mafia if I investigate and hit a town? Makes no sense.

It does add up, assuming you actually did know your entire team from the start of the game. Why did you know your entire team from the start when we didn't?

Not the entire team, but Star Fox team was a far more powerful than ours with all sorts of abilities and roles, such as revivers. Star Wolf is basically "Star Wolf and Friends".

Death is yonder

07-18-2010, 06:57

Erm, are you forgetting that I know 5 people, including myself, plus the results from Double A and ArgTHIS?

So 9 + 5 + results from two others.

It is entirely logical that I am correct. I am not lying at all, and telling everyone who is who, is a very bad move. You are playing very badly for some reason DIY, I don't know if it is because you are scum or too distracted with your studies. Your statements are full of mistakes and critical errors.

So that means you started out with so many individuals, and Pizza still gave you guys recruitable people, such as Joooray?

I'm not seeing the rational Beskar.

Edit: In case not clear, Choxorn says it doesn't add up unless you knew your whole team from the start, I'll assume that Choxorn knows what he's talking about because parellels between the two teams could likely be drawn for balance reasons.

Then, you said not the entire team, so you've basically just verified what Choxorn said, that it doesn't add up, which confirms my suspicion. [/Edit]

Your weak justification that :

Not the entire team, but Star Fox team was a far more powerful than ours with all sorts of abilities and roles, such as revivers. Star Wolf is basically "Star Wolf and Friends".

Supposedly "explains" the numerical discrepancy is extremely curious too.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 07:05

So that means you started out with so many individuals, and Pizza still gave you guys recruitable people, such as Joooray?

So did Star Fox?

I am not going to bother replying to any accusations anymore, it is unbelievably irritating having to put up which such nonsense, because my name is basically "Star Wolf". If the whole situation was reversed, you wouldn't be giving Star Fox so much grief and making stupid comments like "if you find a townie tonight, that means you are scum!!".

Choxorn

07-18-2010, 07:10

Beskar

07-18-2010, 07:16

I'll declare shenanigans if you find another n00b fighter, because, in all likelyhood, your suspect list contains at most one of them. Stastically speaking, you really should be able to find a mafia by now.

Nope, you are incorrect.

However, I will post the result of who I investigated and if you accuse me of lying, you and go and lynch them and see that I am not.

Death is yonder

07-18-2010, 07:20

Because unlike you, Star fox (Choxorn) was definitely 100% pro-town, with an 100% inclination of pro-town victory conditions, and without a doubt, this would remain so to the very end.

You are a neutral party whose intentions have clearly not emulated the above, your motives are questionable, and lore-wise, yes, you are star wolf, you hate Star fox, but you grudgingly concede that divided you will fall. That doesn't mean that you might not use the situation to your advantage would it?

Yes Beskar, the name Star fox carries different connotations from the name Star wolf, especially in this game considering alignments of said parties.

I can't believe you are surprised over this.

You also haven't answered many of my accusations, such as what with the jedi mind tricks, lying to the town, and basically flat out threatening us with a cessations of aid should you be lynched. It doesn't scream "I have the town's best interests at heart" to me.

Beskar, if you retort to the final statement with: "Of course, I'm a neutral party",

Well, I don't want to finish that sentence :bow:

Beskar

07-18-2010, 07:27

You also haven't answered many of my accusations, such as what with the jedi mind tricks, lying to the town, and basically flat out threatening us with a cessations of aid should you be lynched. It doesn't scream "I have the town's best interests at heart" to me.

Beskar, if you retort to the final statement with: "Of course, I'm a neutral party",

Well, I don't want to finish that sentence :bow:

You keep forgetting there are two towns, so in other words, alignment only denotes what town you are in. It doesn't denote "neutral" it denotes "town 2".

Yet you keep forgetting this fact. My victory condition is to defeat the Big Bad, which is the same as the Venomians. It is neutral nothing, my goal is to kill the mafia.

As with the "threats", they are not a threat, it is a fact. If you are going around attempting to lynch team Star Wolf, why would they ever assist the town? The moment they attempt to, you would just lynch them. So it is not a threat, it is a fact.

Nightbringer

07-18-2010, 07:31

Nightbringer could be scum too though, this post reeked of it.

Throwing everything they've got? Right, so town is suppose to sit back and let a neutral party win the game for them? Ignoring an extreme lore-wise possibility that Wolf retains his animosity against Fox?

In some ways yes, I am a venomian so of course I am supporting a neutral victory. And I don't think the town should sit back, but actively take part in hunting down the mafia alongside Star Wolf. It is indeed possible that some rivalry existed, and Star Wolf benefited from Fox's demise, but with Fox already dead I think we can rest assured Star Wolf is going to want Andross dead, which is everyone's primary goal (except the mafia of course.) What point would lynching Star Wolf serve, even IF he contributed to Fox's death. The goal is to kill Andross, going after anti mafia power roles is the last thing that will achieve that.

I admit I've been somewhat inactive in the previous 48 hours due to RL priorities, but this shouldn't affect your judgment on what I'm saying because of that. Stop generalizing through my posts, pause to read and consider the substance within the content.

So you can't be sure, but later in the post you sound extremely convinced.

I am sorry if a misinterpreted your absence, but throughout this game I have seen people called scum for lurking, which I assume means it is a good sign of scum... Maybe I'm wrong though, this is my first game.
I didn't mean to generalize either, but I don't think I truly did, correct me if I'm wrong but I saw that the purpose of your posts was to suggest Star Wolf may have worked against Fox, and that we shouldn't trust him. I know you didn't advocate lynching him but that is the natural next step from here.
I see this as making you scum because it is encouraging people not to trust an anti mafia investigator, who should be a great source of information. Things like this will decrease the input from the powerful Star Wolf team.
As I said, I really can't be sure about something like this. If I sound very certain it is because I am making an argument based on what I think. Your posts about Star Wolf also sound very self certain.

I think Psychonaut had it spot on the nail when he said that Nightbringer was an extremely scummy suspect that needs to be dealt with.

So, has the comprehensive information network possessed by Beskar investigate Nightbringer, which IIRC was clearly and explicitly request by Psycho in return for dropping his vote on Nightbringer and going with the plan (Arp THIS and Double A I think)?

If not maybe Nightbringer should be tomorrows lynch.

I hope I am not tomorrows lynch, and will ask you to please investigate me so as not to waste a lynch and so you know I am a neutral venomian fighter.

I realized after I posted that my vote was late but I didn't really mean for it to matter. I jsut wanted to draw attention to the matter. Anyway, make what you want of my arguments, just please investigate before you lynch so you don't waste a kill.

Death is yonder

07-18-2010, 08:05

What point would lynching Star Wolf serve, even IF he contributed to Fox's death. The goal is to kill Andross, going after anti mafia power roles is the last thing that will achieve that.

Possible, but tell me if you take one look at the things I cited, especially this interesting logic, and come to the conclusion that Beskar has a common towns goal as his top priority. He seems like he has ulterior motives.

I see this as making you scum because it is encouraging people not to trust an anti mafia investigator, who should be a great source of information. Things like this will decrease the input from the powerful Star Wolf team.

Who should be a great source of information. I'm not seeing any proactive contributions. You are also just examining my case separately, its all interconnected. The "powerful" star wolf team eh? Didn't Beskar just tell Choxorn that the greater numbers in his team from the start was because they had not much special abilities?

As I said, I really can't be sure about something like this. If I sound very certain it is because I am making an argument based on what I think. Your posts about Star Wolf also sound very self certain.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I didn't take a stance on this contentious issue, people would say I'm simply trying to incite trouble without committing to it and staining my name with the rest should I be wrong. If I take a stand on the matter, people say that I'm too self certain.

I'm making an accusation, and what me taking a stand means, is that I'm held responsible for it should I be wrong. Naturally, people are wrong a lot in mafia, but do you honestly expect people to just play a mafia game by lazing around and letting the power roles tell people what to do? Not bothering to make their own decisions and choices and all that? I doubt so.

I hope I am not tomorrows lynch, and will ask you to please investigate me so as not to waste a lynch and so you know I am a neutral venomian fighter.

Uh huh :inquisitive:

Psycho requested an investigation of you at the very least many rounds ago, the round where people were starting to organize things around Double A and Arpeggiate's abilities IIRC.

I jsut wanted to draw attention to the matter.

So did I.

I'll also like to note that your behavior in the round where Psycho called you out was also pretty darn scummy.

Now, on to Beskar.

As with the "threats", they are not a threat, it is a fact. If you are going around attempting to lynch team Star Wolf, why would they ever assist the town? The moment they attempt to, you would just lynch them. So it is not a threat, it is a fact.

I would have thought that you would be pleased to be lynched Beskar, then you could point out that fact in everybody's face and say "this is what you get for not trusting me", then everybody would be so ashamed, and never question you again. In fact, should that be the case, I don't see why you are acting like this.

It lacks motivation because this is a game where roles are revealed after death. I should think that your team would get massive credibility if after all this, you could just laugh at them post-mortem.

Unless of course, you will be exposed as lying about something big-time after you are lynched.

And don't tell me that "We will stop helping you whatsoever if you lynch me" is not a threat.

It stinks of trying to find public justification/excuse to change your course of action to something else.

Next, we might even be seeing "Fine, since you chose to lynch me, I regret to inform you that team Star wolf will no longer aid the town, instead it seems like our services will be better used in conjunction with Andross to destroy Cornelia".

Of course, that's just a hypothetical analogy.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 08:15

It lacks motivation because this is a game where roles are revealed after death. I should think that your team would get massive credibility if after all this, you could just laugh at them post-mortem.

Unless of course, you will be exposed as lying about something big-time after you are lynched.
Yes, I am going to laugh when we just lost the game as you lynched the investigator and made the game blind. :juggle:

Nightbringer

07-18-2010, 08:29

Possible, but tell me if you take one look at the things I cited, especially this interesting logic, and come to the conclusion that Beskar has a common towns goal as his top priority. He seems like he has ulterior motives.

I'm not just going off your logic, I know you don't think Beskar has a pro town role, but I do, basically, I am not convinced by your arguments.

Who should be a great source of information. I'm not seeing any proactive contributions. You are also just examining my case separately, its all interconnected. The "powerful" star wolf team eh? Didn't Beskar just tell Choxorn that the greater numbers in his team from the start was because they had not much special abilities?

Beskar, an investigator, is about a good of a source as we can get. I know it is interconnected, but I am not convinced by you so I see your case as either simply incorrect or an attempt to frame Beskar. I went with frame because of the lurking thing. I know Beskar claimed to be less powerful, but with Star Fox gone he certainly ahs power as an investigator.
And why is my contribution less proactive than yours?

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I didn't take a stance on this contentious issue, people would say I'm simply trying to incite trouble without committing to it and staining my name with the rest should I be wrong. If I take a stand on the matter, people say that I'm too self certain.

I'm making an accusation, and what me taking a stand means, is that I'm held responsible for it should I be wrong. Naturally, people are wrong a lot in mafia, but do you honestly expect people to just play a mafia game by lazing around and letting the power roles tell people what to do? Not bothering to make their own decisions and choices and all that? I doubt so.

No I don't I am just doing the same as you, making an argument based on what I believe about the game, if I am wrong, I should suffer the consequences.

Death is yonder

07-18-2010, 08:41

I'm not just going off your logic, I know you don't think Beskar has a pro town role, but I do, basically, I am not convinced by your arguments.

And I'm not faulting you based on that.

Beskar, an investigator, is about a good of a source as we can get. I know it is interconnected, but I am not convinced by you so I see your case as either simply incorrect or an attempt to frame Beskar. I went with frame because of the lurking thing. I know Beskar claimed to be less powerful, but with Star Fox gone he certainly ahs power as an investigator.
And why is my contribution less proactive than yours?

I was referring to how Beskar should be using this information more proactively.

Frame Beskar? He lied about Beefy, using the situation to discredit the Star Fox team. He threatens to cut off flow of information too. Am I not entitled to question the contradictions that exist?

Also, I haven't been lurking. The only round where I lacked any significant contributions to the thread was the last round.

No I don't I am just doing the same as you, making an argument based on what I believe about the game, if I am wrong, I should suffer the consequences.

Precisely.

Romanic

07-18-2010, 08:49

Interesting discussions...

Of course Beskar has a different agenda and is protecting his team first.

His goals are probably to kill Andross, and to outlive/kill Star Fox, in that order. So yes, for the moment he's a townie, but who knows what will happen once we disposed of Andross?!

Do we need to lynch Beskar for it? That's up for debate. I'd rather see people working on who could be Androssian instead.

Lynching a Cornerian, pevergreen, was sad, but why did you not say anything pever? No argument, no counteroffer... you were ready to die without a bang. Not very helpful to your cause if you ask me.

@Skooma: A lot of people you voted for ended up dead, and you didn't even get Pinman right on day 4 (you were abstaining). Are you a very bad person hiding behind a vortex? :smug2:

Secura

07-18-2010, 08:49

He lied about Beefy, using the situation to discredit the Star Fox team.

This is actually false; Beskar didn't have any idea about Beefy's role beyond suspicions, and it was the input of Falco/Romanic (as a dead, proven townie) that reinforced his opinion.

The outcome of the situation discredits Star Fox without anyone even having to say anything, so if you're looking for a scapegoat for Beefy's death, you're looking at the wrong person.

naut

07-18-2010, 09:06

Death is yonder. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

07-18-2010, 17:14

:laugh4:

Really, guys?

Really.

Really?

.......Okay. writeup commencing. :beam: This one is going to be EPIC.

wideyedwanderer

07-18-2010, 17:15

In some ways yes, I am a venomian so of course I am supporting a neutral victory. And I don't think the town should sit back, but actively take part in hunting down the mafia alongside Star Wolf. It is indeed possible that some rivalry existed, and Star Wolf benefited from Fox's demise, but with Fox already dead I think we can rest assured Star Wolf is going to want Andross dead, which is everyone's primary goal (except the mafia of course.) What point would lynching Star Wolf serve, even IF he contributed to Fox's death. The goal is to kill Andross, going after anti mafia power roles is the last thing that will achieve that.

You're saying that even if Wolf helped kill Fox, the town should support him? Fox was the most important townie in the game. Killing him hurts the fight against Andross. Anyone who had the best interests of the town at heart would be enraged if they found out Wolf help kill Fox. But you seem to be okay with it.

Yes, I am going to laugh when we just lost the game as you lynched the investigator and made the game blind. :juggle:

Funny how you only say this after DIY called you out for it.

I'm not just going off your logic, I know you don't think Beskar has a pro town role, but I do, basically, I am not convinced by your arguments.

Beskar, an investigator, is about a good of a source as we can get. I know it is interconnected, but I am not convinced by you so I see your case as either simply incorrect or an attempt to frame Beskar. I went with frame because of the lurking thing. I know Beskar claimed to be less powerful, but with Star Fox gone he certainly ahs power as an investigator.
And why is my contribution less proactive than yours?

You repeatedly say you are not convinced by DIY's arguments, but you never really say why, except for saying Beskar is "about a good of a source as we can get." If Beskar is such a useful pro-townie, why has the mafia not even bothered to attack him or any of his team?

Askthepizzaguy

07-18-2010, 18:32

Day/Night Phase Ten

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/worm_hole-1.png

The Awesome Black Hole

This is a for fun video.... but it does explain what happened to pevergreen. :beam:

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pevergreen's ship had veered off-course.

WAY off course.

Some might say, if his course were marbles, he'd have lost them by now. He was flying through the Meteo asteroid field.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: pew pew pew! pew pew pew! Take that, stupids! I am pever, the green! With no uppercase P, you fools! pew pew pew!

The rocks said nothing.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: *muttering* Falanges.... Falanges.... I wanna see.... your falanges!

The rocks enjoyed a moment of quiet repose.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Or is it.... Phalanges.....

The rocks contemplated their existence.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: No..... No...... that's not true..... that's IMPOSSIBLE!!!

The rocks did not tell pevergreen to search his feelings, he knew it to be true.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Falanges does not start with a P! Uppercase P make.... me..... mad!!! pew pew pew!!!!

The rocks became depressed, and exploded.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Take that, uppercase P! What's that? What's that, sweetness? You say you want to kill more uppercase P? Whatever you say, my love..... we wants to kill the P, don't we? That would be good for us..... and then, all that will be left are the lowercase p.

The space dust drifted away.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: But..... if all the uppercase P are gone.......

The space dust swirled towards the black hole.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Then...... then...... lowercase p will become the NEW uppercase! I CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN!!!!

The space dust experienced spaghettification.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Buzz Lightyear to Star Command! Come in, Star Command! I was on my way to the gamma quadrant of sector 4 when I encountered hostiles, obviously working for the evil emperor Zurg! They took the shape of the dreaded uppercase P. I blasted them to smithereenies, but now..... now....

The space dust appeared redder.... and dimmer.... and slower.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Now I realize the error of my ways. The uppercase P are our friends too.... without them..... there is no lowercase p.

The space dust were transported to the end of time and space.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: I've made my decision! This is it! I'm going in the warp zone to save them! To..... save them all! I'm coming for you, uppercase P! I won't let you die, not when we've been through SO MUCH together! Fire all thrusters.... WOOOOOSHHHH!!!! Ready the tractor beam!

The red fire truck on pevergreen's dashboard slid around.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Hello mister fire truck! We're going to save your friends! Wooo wooo woooo honk honk clang clang clang clang!!!!!

The red fire truck looked at pevergreen and nodded.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Here I come, uppercase P! You won't die, as long as Captain Proton and Buster Kincaid are on the job! Take that, Doctor Chaotica! pew pew pew!

pevergreen's Cornerian fighter spiraled into the Black Hole.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: If I don't come back, tell my toaster.... that I love her very much.

pevergreen's Cornerian fighter approached the event horizon.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg pevergreen: Hello boys!!! I'm BAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!

pevergreen hit the eject button, and crashed through his cockpit window with a big ****-eating grin on his face. He died instantly, but due to the strange gravitational effects, time seemed to stand still.... and that final moment seemed like an eternity. pevergreen lived forever in that moment, moving towards the light.... and he was able to rescue the uppercase P. The end.

In other news:

Someone flew out of Venom's atmosphere and began firing green blasters at Pigma's ship.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* You can't beat me, I've got a better ship!

The attacking vessel flew away, discouraged.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen2.jpg

Elsewhere, inside the Vortex:

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Ah.... the son of James McCloud!

Andross grabbed ahold of Frozen in Ice's ship, and crushed it to itty bitty bits.

Such a shame, Andross..... he was already dead. :laugh:

Just outside the Vortex:

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64-1.jpg landlubber: YARRRRR!!! AVAST MATEY!!! HOIST THE MAIN SAIL!!! SWAB THE POOP DECK!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Gorgon-1.jpghttps://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Shogundroid.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: Don't party just yet.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: I'm going to crush you!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64-1.jpg landlubber: YARRRRR!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

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PHASES COMPLETE

SHIPS DESTROYED: 2

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pevergreen- Cornerian Fighter (by the lynch)

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/64_Cornerian_fighter.jpg

landlubber- Cornerian Fighter (murder)

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: You've become so strong, Fox. All hope is not yet lost.....

Alive: (19/44)

Alexander the Pretty Good
Autolycus
Beskar
Chaotix
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
hell_hound
Khazaar
Miotas
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Secura
shlin28
Skooma Addict
TheFlax
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan

Dead: (24/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot

Out of this Dimension: (5/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.

Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

Begin Day 11. Phase ends July 20th at 1159 (GMT -5)

Beskar

07-18-2010, 18:38

??? wins the failed attack on a Star Wolf member award.

Also, Nightbringer was telling the truth, he is a Venomian.

From the write-up, looks like there were 3 attacks last night. Two from Andross and one from ???.

I am going to be blunt, but 3 people voted for me last round who haven't been investigated yet. So most likely our three mafia are Chaotix, Wideeyewanderer and Autolycus.

Double A

07-18-2010, 18:43

Poor pever...

civplayah

07-18-2010, 18:52

What I don't understand is the attack on Frozen in Ice.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 18:53

What I don't understand is the attack on Frozen in Ice.

Andross sent in orders to attack him, but Frozen in Ice was already dead. Hence the "epic write-up" comment from Pizza, as in, Epic Fail.

Double A

07-18-2010, 18:57

I sure hope Andross doesn't attack me tonight, I don't know how I'd survive.

Askthepizzaguy

07-18-2010, 19:36

shlin28 is hereby tossed OUT OF THIS DIMENSION for 3 consecutive no votes.

Alive: (18/44)

Alexander the Pretty Good
Autolycus
Beskar
Chaotix
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
hell_hound
Khazaar
Miotas
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Secura
Skooma Addict
TheFlax
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan

Dead: (24/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot

Out of this Dimension: (6/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.

Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

I guess it really is hard to find active players these days.

Diana Abnoba

07-18-2010, 19:38

That was so funny!!! Poor pever, well at least he died happy, with his fire truck at his side! :laugh4:

Interesting more Vig killers come out of the woodwork, what like 2 more. Also we got lucky this time as mafia can't keep track of who's already dead, to plan to kill (nice wasted night kill for us-thanks).

Diana Abnoba

07-18-2010, 19:50

Vote: hell_hound for now, just for some pressure, need to speak up more.

Choxorn

07-18-2010, 19:52

Andross sent in orders to attack him, but Frozen in Ice was already dead. Hence the "epic write-up" comment from Pizza, as in, Epic Fail.

Perfect Information Syndrome much?

Beskar

07-18-2010, 19:53

Right, from the looks of things, the game is almost over for mafia victory. We can guarentee town victory within 4 rounds, if we get a mafia today or tomorrow. By the looks of the write-up, there is an estimate of 3 mafia, Peppy, 3 town left unchecked. This is assuming the mafia are Andross, Gorgon and Shogun Driod (the two recent editions)

The non-investigated:
Wideeyewanderer (anti-wolf)
Chaotix (anti-wolf)
Death is Yonder (anti-wolf)
Autolycus (lurker, anti-wolf)
ATPGood (lurker)
hell_hound (epic lurker)
Miotas (epic lurker)

Since miotas and hell_hound are lurking really badly, I will take a gamble and say these two are probably town.

This leaves the 5 above them to be 3 of the mafia, ??? and Peppy. If Peppy steps forward, this would easily narrow it down to the 3 mafia and either the last being a town or ???.

Perfect Information Syndrome much?

It is in the write-up, plus I know Pizza very well. I can put 1+1 together.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 20:05

As I already mentioned, and others have commented on, the anti-wolf bandwagon looks like a mafia attempt, especially considering the latest write-up pretty much commented that there are 3 mafia.

I would like Peppy to reveal himself, because there is a good chance we can win. Especially as I think Peppy might have attacked Pigma. If Peppy is one of the top four, this mean this day phase we can lynch one of the other three, then possibly ??? and Peppy attack the other two and I investigate another. This would leave hell_hound and miotas unaccounted for, so if me and peppy die, it leaves the town two suspects.

The reason I say that, is because Double A talked about a vigilente action last round, so I am guessing/hoping that means Peppy can do this.

Choxorn

07-18-2010, 20:07

I love how your story never stops changing, Beskar. Yesteday, you said there were only 6 people you didn't know, including pevergreen and the now-WoG'd shlin. Now there are 7. If you had investigated last round, there should be 3. For that matter, there are 18 people still alive right now, so you not knowing 7 isn't even possible if you've investigated every night. You should know your 10 investigations and Khazaar at the very least, and that's if you didn't know any teammates at the start. Why all the lies and contradictions?

Beskar

07-18-2010, 20:16

That is pretty obvious, Choxorn. If you read earlier, I said about "undisclosed uninvestigated". That is on purpose. So the mafia didn't just target all the confirmed innocents, as there was a chance they could have took out Miotas, Hell_hound or ATPGood.

Just because I am a mafia tactician which means I don't play all my cards at once, doesn't make me untrustworthy, quite the opposite. The town can trust me as they know I won't give the game away to the mafia. If I told the complete truth, it would aid the mafia more than the town.

Also, look at the list of names: "Lurkers, CFC and Replacements"

I pretty much told the town who to look at without completely revealing anyway. As the missing names were infact, CFC lurkers.

Chaotix

07-18-2010, 20:26

Vote: Beskar

I'm not even going to bother responding. I laid out my case yesterday, but you continue to spout yet a new web of lies.

The reason we have not found the mafia is not because you haven't investigated them yet. It's because YOU are the mafia.

I find it hilarious how all of a sudden everyone who is against Wolf must be mafia.

Let's bring Star Wolf down once and for all.

Choxorn

07-18-2010, 20:29

Beskar

07-18-2010, 20:34

The reason we have not found the mafia is not because you haven't investigated them yet. It's because YOU are the mafia.

I find it hilarious how all of a sudden everyone who is against Wolf must be mafia.

Let's bring Star Wolf down once and for all.

Because the mafia obviously want to get me lynched, which is pretty obvious. The reason they didn't kill us last night was to continue with this argument, it is a transparent attempt. :juggle: This also exemplied by the fact two people supporting me were attacked, but unfortunately for the mafia, one of the people supporting me were already dead. :laugh4:

Chaotix

07-18-2010, 20:38

Because the mafia obviously want to get me lynched, which is pretty obvious. The reason they didn't kill us last night was to continue with this argument, it is a transparent attempt. :juggle: This also exemplied by the fact two people supporting me were attacked, but unfortunately for the mafia, one of the people supporting me were already dead. :laugh4:

The fact that your whole defense is based on WIFOM makes me even less inclined to argue.

This whole game you've been touting yourself as pro-town, and yet you have NOTHING to show for it but the Pinman lynch- which you have been using as a crutch to ride out the rest of the game.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 20:43

hell hound is a CFC'er, miotas and ATPGood aren't.

Also, like I said, do the math. Assuming you can actually determine exactly who someone's role is by investigation, and have used this ability every night, there's no way you can not know that many people, adding that you know Khazaar, your 4 teammates, and 10 investigations, unless a bunch of them have died already.

There are 18 people.

Star Wolf
4 are Star Wolf (Leon, Panther, Pigma and Andrew)
2 comfirmed Cornerian
4 confirmed Venomians
= 11 people

I listed the 7 unconfirmed.
3 are mafia
1 is Peppy
3 are town.

Hell_hound and Miotas are most likely town (WoG bait)
There is one I suspect of being Peppy.
This leaves 4 who might be mafia.

edit: forgot to add Nightbringer as the 4th Venomian

Beskar

07-18-2010, 20:46

By the way, ignore any posts by the 5 prime suspects, unless one of them reveals they are Peppy. The mafia know they are in trouble and attempting to get me lynched.

At a guess though, Wideeye might be Cornerian (Some one in Star Wolf who think so, I however, think it is most likely ATPGood being the townie), I think DIY is Peppy. This would leave Autolycus, Chaotix and ATPGood being the mafia.

Chaotix probably did the error, and therefore is Andross. Since he was the only one who posted after Frozen in Ice in the last page, and the current guesstimate is having DIY as not being the mafia.

ATPGood/Wideeyewander and Autolycus are most likely his mafia partners.

That is my educated guess. Anyone else feel free to contribute.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 20:56

Vote: Chaotix

For reasons in the last post.

Romanic

07-18-2010, 20:58

There are 17 people.

Star Wolf
4 are Star Wolf (Leon, Panther, Pigma and Andrew)
2 comfirmed Cornerian
3 confirmed Venomians
= 10 people

I listed the 7 unconfirmed.
3 are mafia
1 is Peppy
3 are town.

Hell_hound and Miotas are most likely town (WoG bait)
There is one I suspect of being Peppy.
This leaves 4 who might be mafia.

The above does not work - there's 18 players left alive.

5 Star Wolf
2 confirmed Cornerians
3 confirmed Venomians
--
10

7 unconfirmed.

Total of 17. Who are you missing? Please fix.

Beskar

07-18-2010, 21:01

Total of 17. Who are you missing? Please fix.

Sorry about that, 4 Venomians** Forgot to include Nightbringer in the number. :laugh4:

Anyway, I am comfortable with a Chaotix or Autolycus lynch, as my gut feeling is on those two.

The last mafia is between ATPGood and wideeyewander.

edit: Won't be here for the next 22 hours. If i am luckly, I might be able to check the thread in around 8-9 hours time before work.

Nightbringer

07-18-2010, 21:38

vote:Chaotix for the reasons stated by Beskar and because of his relentless hostility towards star wolf.
As to the argument about whether we should trust star wolf. It doesn't really matter. We know the big bad is not star wolf, but andross. With this in mind, gging against star wolf is suicide because it will give the mafia time to pick us off. Siding with star wolf will get rid of the mafia. That is the objective given to town. Not kill neutral people that may have messed with fox. So lets just kill the mafia already then worry about Star Wolf if we really need to.

Romanic

07-18-2010, 22:41

Chaotix claimed Venomian (post #1302 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2521844&viewfull=1#post2521844)).

I think players who already claimed deserves the benefit of the doubt and should be scanned before they are lynched.

Chaotix also was Cornerian in his 1st life, and was anti-Wolf. It's not far fetched to believe that he would have the same opinion after replacing merciary as a Venomian. Beskar, you are seeing him scummier than he is, because he's voting for you.

I think you should pick another lynch target and scan Chaotix.

***

What about Skooma? I am still waiting to hear from him after I pointed out his bad voting record. Where are you Skooma? Hiding under your bed?

Nightbringer

07-18-2010, 23:06

Chaotix claimed Venomian (post #1302 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2521844&viewfull=1#post2521844)).

I think players who already claimed deserves the benefit of the doubt and should be scanned before they are lynched.

Chaotix also was Cornerian in his 1st life, and was anti-Wolf. It's not far fetched to believe that he would have the same opinion after replacing Winston as a Venomian. Beskar, you are seeing him scummier than he is, because he's voting for you.

I think you should pick another lynch target and scan Chaotix.

I response to this, I think it would be a fair bet to go with autolycles instead, but ill wait till beskar has had his say before i switch my vote

Choxorn

07-18-2010, 23:15

Chaotix replaced merciary.

Skooma isn't in Beskar's list of uninvestigated. I'm going to guess he's a member of Star Wolf.

By the way, speaking of Skooma's voting record of voting for dead people- Beskar, you've voted for someone that ended up dead NINE TIMES, more than anyone else in the entire game. 8 of them were bandwagons on the person that ended up getting lynched that day, the other was night-killed.

Frozen In Ice

07-18-2010, 23:18

I disappointed that Andross doesn't even find the dead sacred enough to be spared from molestation.:no:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

wideyedwanderer

07-19-2010, 00:46

I can't even remember seeing a post by Miotas. Has he been lurking the whole game? He's not on ATPG's list of no votes, so perhaps he doesn't have to vote? Which would probably make him mafia.

Beskar, why do you keep voting for people merely because they vote for you? That's basically declaring yourself to be scummy. Not to mention all the other reasons outlined yesterday. Vote: Beskar.

Romanic

07-19-2010, 00:52

I can't even remember seeing a post by Miotas. Has he been lurking the whole game? He's not on ATPG's list of no votes, so perhaps he doesn't have to vote? Which would probably make him mafia.

miotas didn't miss a vote from Day 1 to Day 8, then he missed D9 an d D10. He should be WOG if he doesn't vote this turn.