Large Mafia Game Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 7

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 11:22

??? wins the failed attack on a Star Wolf member award.

Also, Nightbringer was telling the truth, he is a Venomian.

From the write-up, looks like there were 3 attacks last night. Two from Andross and one from ???.

I am going to be blunt, but 3 people voted for me last round who haven't been investigated yet. So most likely our three mafia are Chaotix, Wideeyewanderer and Autolycus.

Three out of three, somehow the magic coincidence fairy strikes again Beskar?

Right, from the looks of things, the game is almost over for mafia victory. We can guarentee town victory within 4 rounds, if we get a mafia today or tomorrow. By the looks of the write-up, there is an estimate of 3 mafia, Peppy, 3 town left unchecked. This is assuming the mafia are Andross, Gorgon and Shogun Driod (the two recent editions)

The non-investigated:
Wideeyewanderer (anti-wolf)
Chaotix (anti-wolf)
Death is Yonder (anti-wolf)
Autolycus (lurker, anti-wolf)
ATPGood (lurker)
hell_hound (epic lurker)
Miotas (epic lurker)

Since miotas and hell_hound are lurking really badly, I will take a gamble and say these two are probably town.

This leaves the 5 above them to be 3 of the mafia, ??? and Peppy. If Peppy steps forward, this would easily narrow it down to the 3 mafia and either the last being a town or ???.

It is in the write-up, plus I know Pizza very well. I can put 1+1 together.

Next, Beskar thinks: "Hmm, this DiY is awfully troublesome, he's exposing all the inconvenient truths! Darn, how can I get rid of him!?"

By the way, ignore any posts by the 5 prime suspects, unless one of them reveals they are Peppy. The mafia know they are in trouble and attempting to get me lynched.

At a guess though, Wideeye might be Cornerian (Some one in Star Wolf who think so, I however, think it is most likely ATPGood being the townie), I think DIY is Peppy. This would leave Autolycus, Chaotix and ATPGood being the mafia.

Chaotix probably did the error, and therefore is Andross. Since he was the only one who posted after Frozen in Ice in the last page, and the current guesstimate is having DIY as not being the mafia.

ATPGood/Wideeyewander and Autolycus are most likely his mafia partners.

That is my educated guess. Anyone else feel free to contribute.

Yes! :idea2:

"I will strongly insinuate that he is the remaining pro-town role even though he's a simple cornelian! Maybe that will get that pesky bugger killed hehehe!"

Cut: Omniscient narrator

Right Beskar, so basically you abhor posting all your cards, saying its bad mafia strategy [as in the game in general], then you demand that everyone lays their cards down to see.

Why am I being so vehement about this? Because I'm a simple cornelian, I have nothing to lose, only my credibility. However, I've spotted all your nonsense and I'm making sure that people don't listen to you without a pinch of salt, not the gospel truth that its becoming.

Also, you state that :

By the way, ignore any posts by the 5 prime suspects, unless one of them reveals they are Peppy. The mafia know they are in trouble and attempting to get me lynched.

How many times have I said lynch Beskar? My main goal is for people to remember to take your posts with lots of salt, not as the gospel truth as it seems to be becoming.

That's all I've been advocating Beskar, in case it wasn't clear.

I'm also not liking how your downplaying the fact that none of your members were attacked by Andross/??? the previous night.

Anyway moving on to catching scum with obvious results (IE: Andross):

Vote: Autolycus

You've got one chance Beskar, heck I don't care if you really are cooperating with Andross and Auto is a mafia that you tossed under the bus to buy yourself more time. Results (positive ones) would be beneficial at this time.

Do remember Beskar, to live up to your promises should you be wrong.

Quote again for special effects and more.

If he is not mafia, kill me tomorrow. If he is mafia, I would like all the "wolf objectors" to work with me, opposed to disrupt the game.

I should think that public opinion of wolf would drop drastically (and rightly so) if try to talk yourself out of that tomorrow if you are wrong.

Right: Messed up my bold tags for the vote, apologies for edited vote post.

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 11:26

Unvote: Autolycus
Vote: Autolycus

Making a proper vote, just in case edited vote post is not allowed.

autolycus

07-19-2010, 11:37

Well, looks like it's time for me to reveal.

Right, from the looks of things, the game is almost over for mafia victory. We can guarentee town victory within 4 rounds, if we get a mafia today or tomorrow. By the looks of the write-up, there is an estimate of 3 mafia, Peppy, 3 town left unchecked. This is assuming the mafia are Andross, Gorgon and Shogun Driod (the two recent editions)

The non-investigated:
Wideeyewanderer (anti-wolf)
Chaotix (anti-wolf)
Death is Yonder (anti-wolf)
Autolycus (lurker, anti-wolf)
ATPGood (lurker)
hell_hound (epic lurker)
Miotas (epic lurker)

Since miotas and hell_hound are lurking really badly, I will take a gamble and say these two are probably town.

This leaves the 5 above them to be 3 of the mafia, ??? and Peppy. If Peppy steps forward, this would easily narrow it down to the 3 mafia and either the last being a town or ???.
There's one problem with this idea you're trying to sell us, Beskar. Namely, that I'm none of those five. I happen to be General Pepper. Now how about you be a good little mercenary and die. I think you know darn well who ??? is because I think he's one of your people. You cannot be allowed to raid us from the asteroids any longer.
Vote: Beskar

pevergreen

07-19-2010, 13:58

Ghost double innocent pever suggests voting for Beskar.

Cultured Drizzt fan

07-19-2010, 15:11

Vote: Autolycus

Beskar has not accomplished much, but to be honest we made our bed and need to see it through.

Renata

07-19-2010, 15:17

Wonderful job guys. Let's keep listening to Beskar and lynch Cornerians, shall we? That'll win the game - for Beskar.

Except Beskar didn't make that suggestion. The accusations against Beskar are half sensible (DiY) and half so off -base or over the top (you, Psychonaut) that I'm convinced they must be coming from mafia.

And now Peppy is outed too? *sigh*

I would probably lynch WEW today, given Beskar one last chance. But if that's not going to happen, how about instead of lynching Beskar we lynch Secura? She's clearly on his team, but she's not Star Wolf herself. If the team has gone over, wouldn't she be just as good? And less valuable if this is all just a massive townie screwup.

TheFlax

07-19-2010, 15:23

Vote: Autolycus

Beskar has not accomplished much, but to be honest we made our bed and need to see it through.

Voting for someone who claims General Pepper?

Hmmm, this makes me think, while you are not on Beskar's list, we have no idea what you are...

Vote: CDF

Cultured Drizzt fan

07-19-2010, 15:27

Voting for someone who claims General Pepper?

Hmmm, this makes me think, while you are not on Beskar's list, we have no idea what you are...

Vote: CDF

wait when did he claim that? I will be honest, I mostly skimmed the thread.

edit: ahhhhhhhhh right above my post. cool

Cultured Drizzt fan

07-19-2010, 15:30

Unvote: Autolycus, Vote: WideyedWanderer

right. I will actually read through the page before voting next time. Going to take a nap now.

miotas

07-19-2010, 15:45

Vote: CDF

Secura

07-19-2010, 15:52

how about instead of lynching Beskar we lynch Secura?

I'm sorry, but why should I be punished for the perceived mistakes of another person? Don't you think that's somewhat unfair?

You're essentially suggesting that the town cuts off the tail but leaves the head controlling the show, especially when it's everything that the head's done that is annoying people, not the tail.

johnhughthom

07-19-2010, 16:03

I'm sorry, but why should I be punished for the perceived mistakes of another person? Don't you think that's somewhat unfair?

You're essentially suggesting that the town cuts off the tail but leaves the head controlling the show, especially when it's everything that the head's done that is annoying people, not the tail.

Because it might split the anti-Beskar vote and end with neither of you lynched, cunning plan Renata.

Renata

07-19-2010, 16:20

Dude, I'm a dead Cornerian. Good point, though.

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 16:23

Well Secura, right now there seems to be strong connection between you and Beskar.

People don't want to lynch Beskar but instead despite all these things about him because in the event that its a massive fail, the blow will be lessened.

However, people do want to lynch the Star wolf team (which you are perceived to be a part of, I must admit, the link appears to be strong, and don't give the excuse like in your first mafia that its because Beskie is your friend :tongue:) on suspicion, because its an entirely probability defying event, that not a single one of you have been targeted by the mafia, there's been nothing in the write ups. Even now, the only attempt on Pigma's life appeared to be a vig rather than ??? or Andross himself.

Does this explain it? I'm not seeing why you're taking offense only to the part where Renata suggests you to be lynched on these motives, rather than responding to the finer details.

Also, I think autolycus should be given the benefit of the doubt, at least for now, while Beskar actually does some useful work and investigate Auto to prove his claims. Make yourself useful Beskar, don't say that "Oh I thought so and so was a higher priority for investigation".

Here's an actual honest chance, that is both legitimate and very helpful to the town's progress in general, if you were to verify Auto's claims.

Note: Even if Auto is lying and investigation turns out that he's cornelian/venomian, be smart about it Beskar. No more of this nonsense where you push people forward to lynch/highlight for kills subtly, or we lynch you.

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Regarding WEW, I suppose he may be a good lynch. All he's done recently is add fuel to the fire of my concerns about Beskar, perhaps falling in line with what Beskar describes as "mafia intentionally coming after me".

Regardless, a better lynch that Auto I would surmise, unless there is a legitimate counter-claim.

Unvote: Autolycus
Vote: wideeyedwanderer

And Beskar, if you argue about how nonsensical this is, consider how the town gave you the benefit of the doubt once you revealed and laid your cards on the table. Unless of course, you would like to counter his counter claims within reason.

@Auto: Would you mind giving a more substantiated claim? Right now all we're seeing is someone who got put into the limelight simply passing a name to the general public and hoping that will get him through. Granted we'll give you that, but we need substantiation and reason to let you live, other than just a simple mention of a name that appeared a few times in the write ups and may end up just being fluff that was used for mafia to false-claim.

Renata

07-19-2010, 16:30

I agree that Auto should give more info to back up his claim. He has basically nothing to lose at this point if he's a town power role, and the only thing he has to gain is to keep us from lynching a confirmable innocent. So spit it out and confirm yourself.

autolycus

07-19-2010, 16:34

Very well. I just hope I get some protection after this, because I'm going to be a target. Here's my role PM

"We need your help, Star Fox!"
—General Pepper

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Generalpepper.jpg

General pepper

http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Pepper

General Pepper (ペパー将軍, Pepā Shōgun) is commander of all of Corneria's forces in the Lylat System. He has offered Fox McCloud an official commission in the end of Star Fox 64, but Fox refused it, stating that they "prefer to do things [their] way." Pepper became general of the Cornerian army by the time of the Lylat Wars. He had banished Andross to Venom for conducting dangerous experiments while working as a scientist for the army. Five years later, he discovered that Andross was conducting disturbing activity on Venom. He hired the Star Fox team for the first, then comprising of founder James McCloud, Peppy Hare, and Pigma Dengar. He sent the Star Fox team to investigate the situation on Venom. He temporarily resigned in Star Fox Command from being ill, thus making his good long time friend, Peppy Hare, the new and temporary general of the Cornerian Army.

Name: Autolycus
Role: General Pepper
Team: Cornerian Defense Forces
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Survive the game.
Ability: As long as you are alive, all Cornerian Defense Forces will remain loyal. You are a symbol of hope and leadership to the free people of the Lylat System.
Ship: Cornerian Flagship- The Bloodhound

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Lylat_Cruiser.jpg

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 16:36

Looks authentic.

Renata

07-19-2010, 16:43

That one part -- there's no suggestion anywhere that the alternative is even a possibility.

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 16:49

Seems genuine though. It doesn't seem like a faked role pm.

Curious to note however, is what information Beskar had on Autolycus.

He presented no information other than: "Lynch Auto! Trust me!"

If Auto is telling the truth, and his abilities seem to insinuate what I think it is, it would provide very strong motivation for Beskar's actions, maybe even the ulterior motives that I suspected.

This is a very interesting situation :thinking:

Secura

07-19-2010, 16:51

People don't want to lynch Beskar but instead despite all these things about him because in the event that its a massive fail, the blow will be lessened.

This doesn't explain why there's a suggestion to lynch someone who is merely trying to interpret things out from the thread (see my accusation of Joooray, even if I did end up being wrong) rather than someone who is, by all accounts, running the show.

Getting rid of me doesn't solve the problem that the Cornerians seem to have with Beskar, and getting rid of Star Wolf as a whole isn't likely to conclude with victory for anyone but Andross.

its an entirely probability defying event, that not a single one of you have been targeted by the mafia, there's been nothing in the write ups.

I agree with this though, and have voiced my concerns about such an outcome; I fully believe that it is being orchestrated by the mafia so that you waste your lynches on us rather than our common enemy.

We should be working together; Beskar investigates the unknown quantities in the list (starting with autolycus), and Peppy begins to do the same (if possible) until we've whittled down the list and everyone's role is known.

Does this explain it? I'm not seeing why you're taking offense only to the part where Renata suggests you to be lynched on these motives, rather than responding to the finer details.

I didn't need anything explaining, I understood it perfectly well, I just don't see the point as I've stated.

Regarding WEW, I suppose he may be a good lynch. All he's done recently is add fuel to the fire of my concerns about Beskar, perhaps falling in line with what Beskar describes as "mafia intentionally coming after me".

I have suspected him for a while now, but I'm constantly being told that he has claimed Cornerian; I still have my doubts.

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 16:53

Strangely fits in an odd way, it makes sense.

The only explanation for Beskar's odd actions is that he had an ulterior motive.

Consider especially how Auto's abilities would make sense to why Beskar really really wants Peppy to reveal to him [Get rid of Cornelian power roles] [Nothing to stand in the way of Cornelians being impressed into Venomians.

I suspect that with every Cornelian pro-town role death, Auto was meant to balance things out to prevent Beskar from achieving his (possibly? Seems like, the idea struck me) secondary/primary objective.

Then again this could be a wild idea, what do you guys think?

Secura

07-19-2010, 16:56

That one part -- there's no suggestion anywhere that the alternative is even a possibility.

You're referring to his ability, right?

I remember being told that Venomians were susceptible to conversion (and, as such, I've been weary of neutral claims), but Cornerians too?

Seems genuine though. It doesn't seem like a faked role pm.

That's what people said about Seon.

Curious to note however, is what information Beskar had on Autolycus.

He presented no information other than: "Lynch Auto! Trust me!"

Beskar had a list of people, and he highlighted autolycus as both a low-activity player (seventeen posts over the course of the game) and for the fact that he was an unknown quantity. He didn't have any solid information on him, that was the main reason for the voting suggestion.

If Auto is telling the truth, and his abilities seem to insinuate what I think it is, it would provide very strong motivation for Beskar's actions, maybe even the ulterior motives that I suspected.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. :S

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 16:59

I would also like to note Secura, that you've practically all but admitted to being on Beskar's team.

I fully believe that it is being orchestrated by the mafia so that you waste your lynches on us rather than our common enemy.

We should be working together; Beskar investigates the unknown quantities in the list (starting with autolycus), and Peppy begins to do the same (if possible) until we've whittled down the list and everyone's role is known.

I also very curiously note how despite Auto's reveal being in the open for quite some time already before your post, you have not commented on it despite evidently being a member of team star wolf.

Why are you ignoring the implied accusatory aimed at your team in regards to Auto's abilities implied implications to Beskar's demands for his lynch as a matter of trust? It looks terrible for team Starwolf. Really. Especially since Auto's role doesn't look faked.

Secura

07-19-2010, 17:02

Nothing to stand in the way of Cornelians being impressed into Venomians.

You have entirely misread this; autolycus' claimed ability isn't to stop people from becoming neutral, it's to stop them from becoming one of Andross' playthings.

to prevent Beskar from achieving his (possibly? Seems like, the idea struck me) secondary/primary objective.

His primary objective is the same as yours; defeat the Big Bad. His secondary, I must confess, eludes me... the rest of the team have differing goals.

wideyedwanderer

07-19-2010, 17:04

Except Beskar didn't make that suggestion. The accusations against Beskar are half sensible (DiY) and half so off -base or over the top (you, Psychonaut) that I'm convinced they must be coming from mafia.

And now Peppy is outed too? *sigh*

I would probably lynch WEW today, given Beskar one last chance. But if that's not going to happen, how about instead of lynching Beskar we lynch Secura? She's clearly on his team, but she's not Star Wolf herself. If the team has gone over, wouldn't she be just as good? And less valuable if this is all just a massive townie screwup.

Thanks for your input, Renata, but really, you've done enough already. (Helping lynch Rob64, continuously suggest lynching me, who was supported by Double A to be a Cornerian.)

Dude, I'm a dead Cornerian. Good point, though.

Then why do you continue to try and hinder our efforts? I've said a thousand times since the beginning of the game I was Cornerian. Even team Star Wolf thinks I'm likely Cornerian, despite the fact that I've been vehemently against Star Wolf.

Posted by Beskar a couple pages back:

At a guess though, Wideeye might be Cornerian (Some one in Star Wolf who think so, I however, think it is most likely ATPGood being the townie), I think DIY is Peppy. This would leave Autolycus, Chaotix and ATPGood being the mafia.

Regarding WEW, I suppose he may be a good lynch. All he's done recently is add fuel to the fire of my concerns about Beskar, perhaps falling in line with what Beskar describes as "mafia intentionally coming after me".

Regardless, a better lynch that Auto I would surmise, unless there is a legitimate counter-claim.

Unvote: Autolycus
Vote: wideeyedwanderer

And Beskar, if you argue about how nonsensical this is, consider how the town gave you the benefit of the doubt once you revealed and laid your cards on the table. Unless of course, you would like to counter his counter claims within reason.

@Auto: Would you mind giving a more substantiated claim? Right now all we're seeing is someone who got put into the limelight simply passing a name to the general public and hoping that will get him through. Granted we'll give you that, but we need substantiation and reason to let you live, other than just a simple mention of a name that appeared a few times in the write ups and may end up just being fluff that was used for mafia to false-claim.

DIY, you presented the arguments for Beskar being scummy better than anyone. And then you go and retract your arguments, and turn on me? You presented great logic for the case against Beskar, but still refuse to vote for him, and then you vote for me on a whim? Without even looking at the case? You do realize that's exactly what Beskar and the mafia want you to do, right? I've been trying to support the case against Beskar, because I truly believe him to be acting selfishly and not having the best interests of the town. So when I get lynched and you see that I'm Cornerian, what will you do then? With each Cornerian we lose, team Star Wolf is one step closer to their victory. I'm beginning to wonder if we even have enough Cornerians alive to win.

I don't even care if I get lynched. I don't see how the town can pull out of this one.

Secura

07-19-2010, 17:04

I would also like to note Secura, that you've practically all but admitted to being on Beskar's team.

I stated I was pages and pages ago... I don't need to admit to anything, it's obvious.

Why are you ignoring the implied accusatory aimed at your team in regards to Auto's abilities implied implications to Beskar's demands for his lynch as a matter of trust? It looks terrible for team Starwolf. Really. Especially since Auto's role doesn't look faked.

Why can I not have five seconds to reply to a post, DiY? I'm not ignoring the implied accusation, because I genuinely don't have a clue what you're trying to say. :S

Secura

07-19-2010, 17:06

who was supported by Double A to be a Cornerian.

Actually, I thought Double A's scan was for neutrality only; if you turn up with "non-neutral", it either means you're a member of Star Fox, one of the misc named roles (Bill Grey, Katt Munroe and such), Cornerian or you're Andross/mafia.

wideyedwanderer

07-19-2010, 17:08

Of course XD
but really, i just mean it seems like tempers are starting to flare and thats not fun for anyone

Not really. In what short experience I've had, this seems to be like a normal mafia game. (Except for the fact that ATPG does the bestest write-ups ever.) I'm not taking anything said about me here personally...and I hope no one else is taking anything I say about them personally. Accusing people is the point of the game, after all.

wideyedwanderer

07-19-2010, 17:11

Actually, I thought Double A's scan was for neutrality only; if you turn up with "non-neutral", it either means you're a member of Star Fox, one of the misc named roles, Cornerian or you're Andross/mafia.

Yes, it's true, but if you take a look at the case on me (go back to the start of the game, if you like), I think you'll see that I'm obviously Cornerian. Or have Beskar investigate me, and then you'll see what I've been telling you all along. Or just lynch me, and you'll see that too. I've got nothing to hide.

Secura

07-19-2010, 17:14

Or have Beskar investigate me, and then you'll see what I've been telling you all along.

He can't investigate anyone if he's lynched though, haha. :P

Seriously though, you're already listed as a known quantity, I see no reason to waste an investigation on you when there's still other players we've got no idea about.

Double A

07-19-2010, 17:31

Actually, I thought Double A's scan was for neutrality only; if you turn up with "non-neutral", it either means you're a member of Star Fox, one of the misc named roles (Bill Grey, Katt Munroe and such), Cornerian or you're Andross/mafia.

He's new-ish still, and what I can tell he acts like I did when I was new, but with less spam.

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 17:37

Thanks for your input, Renata, but really, you've done enough already. (Helping lynch Rob64, continuously suggest lynching me, who was supported by Double A to be a Cornerian.)

Hmm okay then. Didn't catch that.

Then why do you continue to try and hinder our efforts? I've said a thousand times since the beginning of the game I was Cornerian. Even team Star Wolf thinks I'm likely Cornerian, despite the fact that I've been vehemently against Star Wolf.

Posted by Beskar a couple pages back:

DIY, you presented the arguments for Beskar being scummy better than anyone. And then you go and retract your arguments, and turn on me? You presented great logic for the case against Beskar, but still refuse to vote for him, and then you vote for me on a whim? Without even looking at the case? You do realize that's exactly what Beskar and the mafia want you to do, right? I've been trying to support the case against Beskar, because I truly believe him to be acting selfishly and not having the best interests of the town. So when I get lynched and you see that I'm Cornerian, what will you do then? With each Cornerian we lose, team Star Wolf is one step closer to their victory. I'm beginning to wonder if we even have enough Cornerians alive to win.

You do notice that I've been basically suggesting that not lynch Beskar, but don't trust him wholeheartedly? Yes true, I didn't look at the case, I was formulating my own opinion based on your actions this round. I admit I've forgotten (if) Double A advocated you as a Cornelian, but its late, and I'm in a hurry.

I don't even care if I get lynched. I don't see how the town can pull out of this one.

Why can I not have five seconds to reply to a post, DiY? I'm not ignoring the implied accusation, because I generally don't have a clue what you're trying to say. :S

Sorry, but I'm in a rush. The location I'm in shuts off the internet at 12 midnight my time, around 30ish minutes ago (you can ask Beskar about it). The only reason I'm still on is that there are still questions unanswered and I managed to borrow a mobile broadband device. [Plus I have a long day tomorrow, more than 5 1/2 hours of sleep would be greatly appreciated].

Well, basically I've been implying that Beskar/Team Star wolf have their own hidden agenda. Your confusion over this matter [secondary goals] likely signifies that:

No.1: Beskar is keeping mum about it
No.2: Not even telling a recruit/core player about his personal goals, evidently something to hide
No.3: Suggests that my accusation of Beskar likely needs to be refined to a personal secondary/primary goal.
No.4: Furthermore, the fact that the team all has differing personal goals increasingly the likelihood that Beskar's was a personal vendetta with Fox that needed to be settled [Hmm odd options]

WEW: In case your still wondering why I'm not lynching Beskar, is that potential fall-out is great. The loss side of the scale could be pretty substantial, yet the gains were hypothetical, as my accusation is that Beskar has a hidden agenda, simply that he should not be trusted 100% on suspicion of working towards his own personal interests. to address the issue of people treated Beskar like a full-blown pro-town role.

You have entirely misread this; autolycus' claimed ability isn't to stop people from becoming neutral, it's to stop them from becoming one of Andross' playthings.

Doesn't really state that explicitly Secura. Understandably I'll have to remain objective when referring to Auto's role, and understandably, I don't have the background information you have. Furthermore, naturally your inclined to choose the option that doesn't damn your team :clown:

Its my take on the matter, if you read one of the brackets, its just an idea that popped into my head that seemed to click, because then it would explain why Beskar continually nudged forward pro-town roles, highlighted the replacements (looked where that got Choxorn), and now calls for Peppy to reveal himself, (with so many players alive still, that would be virtual suicide, its unreasonable, considering the only team star wolf member revealed (explicitly) is Beskar, and (highly likely) you. Additionally, it would even explain why Beskar wanted Autolycus dead without explanation, not even citing an investigation, merely asking for trust.

Surely you can understand that from my point of view, the nature of all these coincidences and possible links would give rise to a belief in said conclusion, as it manages to address all the issues IMO?

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Anyway:

Unvote: Wideeyedwander

Since I apparently missed what Double A said. And I also want to go to bed :tongue:

Vote: Alexander the Pretty Good

Hasn't been around much, hasn't been WoG'd, unknown quantity too, plus his conformist behavior in the early rounds struck me as odd too.

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Meh apologies if these aren't satisfactory enough/doesn't cover everything, but I got a >12 hour day in front of me, and I need to wake up in <5 1/2 hours.

Just leave a query, I'll try and answer when I get back.

:bow:

Reminder: Beskar, please investigate Autolycus

:zzz:

wideyedwanderer

07-19-2010, 17:39

He can't investigate anyone if he's lynched though, haha. :P

Seriously though, you're already listed as a known quantity, I see no reason to waste an investigation on you when there's still other players we've got no idea about.

That's what I've been wanting to say. I also don't see a reason to lynch me, when there are other players out there who could be the mafia we're searching for. But hey, if anyone wants to lynch me, go right ahead. I've made a decent attempt to stop you, so at least I know I did my part. I've got nothing to lose.

Death is yonder

07-19-2010, 17:39

In any event in case its not clear (rambling at late hours), my main driving point is that Beskar currently doesn't seem like the best lynch at the immediate moment.

Alexander the Pretty Good

07-19-2010, 17:41

Not much for a plain old Venomian townie to do in a game like this; I've mostly been following what Beskar and Romanic suggested since they seemed to know what they are doing but that's not turned out super hot.

Secura

07-19-2010, 18:11

Sorry, but I'm in a rush. The location I'm in shuts off the internet at 12 midnight my time, around 30ish minutes ago (you can ask Beskar about it). The only reason I'm still on is that there are still questions unanswered and I managed to borrow a mobile broadband device. [Plus I have a long day tomorrow, more than 5 1/2 hours of sleep would be greatly appreciated].

It's fine, I'll respond anyway as I feel that your efforts thus far deserve it and because it falls to me to do so in Beskar's absence.

Doesn't really state that explicitly Secura. Understandably I'll have to remain objective when referring to Auto's role, and understandably, I don't have the background information you have. Furthermore, naturally your inclined to choose the option that doesn't damn your team :clown:

While I understand your stance, I must stress that Star Wolf has never had the ability to convert Cornerians into Venomians or anything else like that; we were only able to recruit two characters that have been members of Star Wolf at some point.

now calls for Peppy to reveal himself

I believe that this is a foolish endeavour as well.

Additionally, it would even explain why Beskar wanted Autolycus dead without explanation, not even citing an investigation, merely asking for trust.

I don't think that he has any investigation result for autolycus, though; we should know by the end of the night, anyway.

Surely you can understand that from my point of view, the nature of all these coincidences and possible links would give rise to a belief in said conclusion, as it manages to address all the issues IMO?

I can understand everything yes, but as I have said, everything is merely coincidence from my own perspective; I cannot really speak for the rest of the team on that one, however.

Renata

07-19-2010, 19:17

Double A did not clear you, WEW. He scanned you as non-neutral. This has been covered over and over again (granted, half the time the wrong way around, but still).

Double A

07-19-2010, 19:55

There's at most 3 mafia, so... whatever. Maybe Beskie should scan him if they have a "Venomian/mafia or Corneian" scanner (for clarification, mine is "Corneian/mafia or neutral")

Beskar

07-19-2010, 20:19

There's at most 3 mafia, so... whatever. Maybe Beskie should scan him if they have a "Venomian/mafia or Corneian" scanner (for clarification, mine is "Corneian/mafia or neutral")

I am the only investigator.

Seriously guys, this is annoying. There are 7 uninvestigated and three mafia. Also, stop telling me to investigate everyone and say to lynch me in the next breath. I like the comments which go "What have you done Wolf" by people who haven't even contributed to the game, while I narrowed it down to seven suspects. (Even funnier when some of those only contribution to the game was killing their own team members)

Also, when am I meant to be investigating all these General Pepper's, Peppy's, townie cornerians/venomians, or Wog Bait? I do not have seven turns, as we will lose.

Those seven have to die, I don't care if they claim the Queen of England. 3 Mafia are within those seven, so you are either going to have them lynched or killed for the greater good anyway.

Stop flaffing around trying to purposefully lose this game, and get killing the mafia suspects. Stop being carebears.

Only free card I will give is Peppy. General Pepper could easily be a false role claim, the thing is, I don't know. Who do you want me to lynch instead?

Wideeyewanderer - "but he might be cornerian, investigate him!"
Chaotix - "he claims venomian, investigate him!"
autolycus - "he claims generalpepper, zomg conspiracy!!"
DIY - "I am simple cornerian, don't kill me!"
ATPGood - "I am simple venomian, don't kill me!"
hell_hound/miotas - WoG Bait.

Unvote; Vote: ATPGood - invalid vote
If he is not the mafia, I am blaming all you damn annoying objectors, from preventing us from winning the game.

I am going to re-read from the beginning of the game.

Double A

07-19-2010, 20:39

Just lynch miotas then.

civplayah

07-19-2010, 20:46

Ohhh, ATPGood is Alexander the Pretty Good. I thought you all were referring to a user named Askthepizzagood.

...

Double A

07-19-2010, 20:47

I thought they were just complimenting Pizza...

Beskar

07-19-2010, 21:01

unvote (re-reading thread from start, in light of new information)

Since people are posting role pm's, here is mine:

"Can't let you do that, Star Fox!"
—Wolf O'Donnell

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/wolf.jpg

Wolf O'Donnell

http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Wolf_O%27Donnell

Wolf O'Donnell (ウルフオドネル Urufu Odoneru), sometimes referred to as "Lord O'Donnell" by his underlings, is the leader of Star Wolf, and rival of Fox McCloud. Fox and Wolf were enemies sometime before Star Fox 64 took place. It is heavily implied that they have a long and bitter history with each other, despite mutual respect. It has been suggested in the comic adaptation of Star Fox 64, as well as his statement when he is getting the upper hand of a Dogfight against Fox in the game itself ("You'll be seeing your dad soon, Fox!") that Wolf was involved with the apparent death of James McCloud- Fox's father (further hinted by his Brawl trophy). When Wolf's team was hired by Andross to take down Star Fox, Wolf wanted nothing but to fulfill his orders and to kill Fox. Star Wolf team ultimately failed their mission, leading Wolf to seek revenge for his own personal reasons.

Since Star Fox 64, his character has changed from being reminiscent of a stereotypical classy and sinister narcissist to that of a stereotypical crude pirate. This may symbolize the fact that he has become less villainous since Star Fox 64.

Name: Beskar
Role: Wolf O'Donnell
Team: Star Wolf
Victory: Star Wolf (Neutral)

As a neutral, your objective is to DESTROY THE BIG BAD. This will help ensure your survival.

Personal Objective: Survival is just icing on the cake, outlive Star Fox.
Ability: You can investigate.

Don't get too cocky, Star Fox. - You can select one target and scan them.

Team Star Wolf:

The Star Wolf team is a mercenary group led by Wolf O'Donnell. They were originally associated with the evil Andross, and after his demise cemented themselves as rivals of Star Fox. They also dabbled in more illegal activities such as larceny and smuggling.

The original team consisted of Wolf O'Donnell, Leon Powalski, Andrew Oikonny, and Pigma Dengar. However in Star Fox: Assault, Andrew left Star Wolf to avenge Andross and Pigma was expelled because of his greediness. Wolf later replaced Andrew and Pigma with Panther Caroso. In Star Fox Command, Krystal joins Star Wolf but can either stay with Star Wolf or join Fox McCloud depending on the player's decisions. Also, they have massive bounties placed on their heads because of their work. Their main ship is the Wolfen.

Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/ne80830474j (https://img842.imageshack.us/img842/282/80830474.jpg)

Partners:

Leon Powalski
Panther Caroso
Andrew Oikonny

Ship: Wolfen

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg

While it may interest you to work with the Cornerians, for your own survival, you know that revealing yourselves is a bad move.

Nightbringer

07-19-2010, 21:05

Name: Autolycus
Role: General Pepper
Team: Cornerian Defense Forces
Victory: Town
Personal Objective: Survive the game.
Ability: As long as you are alive, all Cornerian Defense Forces will remain loyal. You are a symbol of hope and leadership to the free people of the Lylat System.
Ship: Cornerian Flagship- The Bloodhound

There are a few things about this role pm that strike me as very false. The first is the objective.The simple venomian objective of staying alive is written out much longer than this, and the word survive is bold. The objective of surviving is also not listed as a personal objective in either the venomian, or star wolf role pms.
This is a small change, that could just be due to inconsistent formating, but it draws suspicion in my opinion.

The ability of keeping CDF loyal also strikes me as unlikely. There has been no sign throughout the game or the write-ups of anyone attempting to convert others. If any member of Star Wolf could convert to venomian (which would be very odd lore wise) it would be more believable. If a member of star wolf has the ability to keep venomians loyal, I'll buy it, but if not, it is fake. It would be fake because we would have seen some converted Venomians by now.

Also, the role of General Pepper does not strike me as one that is in this game. He has barely been in the write-ups, and The Bloodhound has never even been mentioned. All other members of the team have been mentioned together in few write-ups.

There is also no quicktopic html for the town power roles.

Finally, there is no sum up of objectives after the picture of the ship like for venomians and i suspect others.

While these format differences are subtle, I believe that ATPG would have used a template then filled in all the roles with that template. This role breaks that template and is also stated in briefer language in general, invalidating it in my opinion.

Not proof of a faked role pm I know, but Seon showed us it is possible to be convincing, so by looking at the details I don't think we should just buy into this.

Nightbringer

07-19-2010, 21:07

Here is my role pm for comparison

"Do you copy? Emergency Maneuvers!"
—Caiman

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Area6.jpg

Venomian Assault Force

http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Venomian_Army

The Venomian Army sometimes referred to as Androssians, was the army of the planet Venom which operated under the control of Andross. The army was destroyed by both the Cornerian Army and the Star Fox Team at the end of the Lylat Wars, although small groups of it remained at least up to the time of the Aparoid Invasion. These groups were kept at bay during those times, being forced to stay on Fortuna as a last resort before the Aparoids invaded.

Role: Venomian Fighter
Team: Venomian Assault Force
Victory: Neutral

It is in your best interest to remain alive. As a neutral, you can only win if your team (VAF) outnumbers the Cornerian team (CDF) at the end of the game, or if you survive the game, or if your alignment changes and you get new win conditions.

Personal Objective: The Venomian Assault Force must outnumber the Cornerian Defense force by the end of the conflict. Your personal survival adds to this.
Ability: None
Ship: Venomian Fighter

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Invader_II.png

The Venomian Forces can win with the town, but this victory condition may change.

Diana Abnoba

07-19-2010, 21:08

Okay then, Autolycus is claiming General Pepper, I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now, need to investigate him though.

Unvote: Autolycus; Vote: hell_hound he may be close to Wog bait, but he votes just enough to keep himself from it.

Nightbringer

07-19-2010, 21:12

sorry about the triple post, but i had to in order to vote
for the time being though, it looks like we are gonig with
unvote; vote:ATPGood

Secura

07-19-2010, 21:17

This post is made of awesomesauce and win-sprinkles.

Great analysis... I like you already, NB. :3

Nightbringer

07-19-2010, 21:20

Great analysis... I like you already, NB. :3
Thank you XD

Diana Abnoba

07-19-2010, 21:26

Great eye Nightbringer, I'm not that techie, so I would never have found that out on my own.

Beskar

07-19-2010, 21:28

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2508827&viewfull=1#post2508827

I think we could probably give autolycus benefit of the doubt on his claim. But, to investigate him would mean not investigating some one else (then people crying because of that.)

However, the general's picture and ship are in the thread anyway. It could easily be a cover-role.

Diana Abnoba

07-19-2010, 21:42

Good point as well, Beskar.

autolycus

07-19-2010, 22:23

Beskar

07-19-2010, 22:36

Beskar's complete PM reveal is persuasive to me. He does want Peppy dead, because it will complete his PG, but right now, we need his aid against Andross.

Wrong, I already got my Personal Goal, I only require to kill the Big Bad. o_O My Personal Victory was to outlive Star Fox (the player), not the Star Fox team.

Nightbringer

07-19-2010, 22:47

Nightwanderer, I'd just like to point out that every single other person whose image appeared in that opening list has actually turned out to be a player in the game. Your role PM itself indicates that some sort of conversions are possible: "... or if your alignment changes and you get new win conditions". Beskar's complete PM reveal is persuasive to me. He does want Peppy dead, because it will complete his PG, but right now, we need his aid against Andross.
Unvote: Vote: ATPGood
I see the line about alignment change as meaning the entire venomian team might align with one side or the other, not as a person by preson conversion. and we have no evidence of any conversions taking place. also, that is only one part of ym argument

Beskar

07-19-2010, 23:07

I see the line about alignment change as meaning the entire venomian team might align with one side or the other, not as a person by preson conversion. and we have no evidence of any conversions taking place. also, that is only one part of ym argument

Also combine that with the end of my post. Which is basically: "Bewary of Cornerians".

I think it might mean the Cornerians might start killing Venomians and Star Wolf after the mafia are gone. Not that the venomians necessarily change faction, the Cornerians attitude changes.

Nightbringer

07-19-2010, 23:13

Also combine that with the end of my post. Which is basically: "Bewary of Cornerians".

I think it might mean the Cornerians might start killing Venomians and Star Wolf after the mafia are gone. Not that the venomians necessarily change faction, the Cornerians attitude changes.

Good point

Beskar

07-19-2010, 23:16

However, it isn't confirmed. It seems to be under certain conditions that actually happens though, which are unknown at this time. Can only presume post-mafia.

Romanic

07-19-2010, 23:20

3 ATPGood (autolycus, DiY, Nightbringer)
2 Beskar (Chaotix, wew)
2 CDF (miotas, TheFlax)
1 hell_hound (Diana)
1 wideyedwanderer (CDF)
---
9 not voting (ATPGood, Beskar, civplayah, hell_hound, Khazaar, Psychonaut, Secura, Skooma, khaan)

Secura

07-19-2010, 23:35

vote: ATPGood

civplayah

07-20-2010, 00:06

vote: ATPGood

seireikhaan

07-20-2010, 00:08

Vote: Alextheprettygood

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 00:51

Beskar's Role PM proves nothing and disproves nothing. It's obviously been (understandably) edited a little to keep things like his partners and the quicktopic link secret, and could certainly have been edited to keep other things secret.

I find it curious how, despite how much Star Wolf stresses their team is innocent, well, part of the second town, at least, they never fail to act scummy. It reminds me of a NOTW game over at CFC a few months ago where there was this group of 3 people who were members of a government agency called the "Versatile Defense Force" or something like that that were publicly revealed members, and kept saying they were innocent, with most of their argument being the "Defense" in their name, that they were sent to kill the basilisk monster-things the other mafia group was using to kill us. They were telling the truth about that, but were also sent to kill everyone else to quarantine the basilisks (it's a long story). They avoided lynch for a few days, at which point I, who had taken over a player who left the game, kept pointing out the ridiculousness of there being only one mafia team of three people in a game as large as this, and that I had an ability that only seemed to be useful for killing them. Most people didn't listen, and it turned out they were, in fact, mafia. The game later ended with a serial killer winning (sort of) and everyone dying at the last update.

Anyway, Beskar, Secura, and the others I suspect of being Star Wolf all act ridiculously scummy, and have some classic scumtells to them. Diana, my #1 suspect for another Star Wolf member, has also acted so scummy it's not even funny. Like with the aformentioned game, I find it a bit unlikely that Andross is the only mafia team if the neutrals really are intended to work with the town, as a ratio of 1 mafia for every 10 players is simply ridiculous. There's also that ??? killer. It could just be another one or two people in your list of uninvestigated, but that list is getting so small that every single member would have to be mafia to make that correct. It seems more likely that ??? is a member of Star Wolf, as it would account for why we haven't seen any other possible activity from any other faction yet. Also, remember the write-up when ??? killed me, and he used Star Wolf's "Can't let you do that" catchphrase? Uh, yeah.

miotas

07-20-2010, 01:42

Unvote: CDF

Vote: autolycus

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 01:51

Why vote for General Pepper?

Nightbringer

07-20-2010, 02:02

Why vote for General Pepper?
because his role pm is probably fake

johnhughthom

07-20-2010, 02:05

because his role pm is probably fake

Like Beskars. :smartass2:

Romanic

07-20-2010, 02:10

As far as I know, every character who appeared in the writeups, except Fox's father, is represented in the game. It's likely that General Pepper is also a player, so unless someone counterclaims him, autolycus is likely to be General Pepper.

Nightbringer

07-20-2010, 02:18

Like Beskars. :smartass2:
but beskars does not contain any of the numerous flaws that autolycus's does. And general pepper has barely appeared in the writeups, and his si never has. Also, members oft eam star fox woud KNOW that general pepper where in the game because e would be a member of their team. or at least cornarians would. if a trusted player comes out and declares they KNOW there is a general pepper i will buy it

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 02:56

Yes, Pepper's not on our team. Neither was Rob64, and look where not trusting him got us?

Romanic

07-20-2010, 03:34

Yes, Pepper's not on our team. Neither was Rob64, and look where not trusting him got us?

Exactly Choxorn! :yes:

Double A

07-20-2010, 05:02

Like Beskars. :smartass2:

I kinda scanned him as neutral.

Nightbringer

07-20-2010, 05:33

Exactly Choxorn! :yes:

Yes, but no word of general pepper doing ANYTHING has appeared. So tales in the write-ups of him keeping the cornarians loyal against some kind of conversion. And is there any sign in the cornarian role-pms that they might be converted? or of general pepper being important to them?

pevergreen

07-20-2010, 06:11

I'm going to take a quote, from I believe, the very first Mafia game on the org, modify it a bit and I think you'll all agree that its applicable.

"Beskar. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 06:17

Skooma Addict

07-20-2010, 06:23

If Rob64 is in the game then there's no reason to believe Gen. Pepper wouldn't be. In Star Fox 64 Pepper gave Star Fox's team their orders and was basically the nervous figurehead so I personally believe it's very likely he's here somewhere. Whether or not autolycus is who he says he is remains to be seen though but should be given the benefit of a doubt until it can be proven otherwise. You also have to take into account the chance that some of the abilities or goals that would be stated in Gen. Pepper's hypothetical role pm would be omitted or concealed as not to give too much about his capabilities or lack there of away to everyone in the thread. These omissions may account for some of the proposed fallacies you've discovered in his role claim Nightbringer, just to give an alternate perspective from what I've read so far.

Vote: miotas Probably coincidence that mafia get two night kills when his activity suddenly reemerges, though the same could probably be said about about ATPGoodness as well.

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 07:11

The Mafia get two kills every odd night. And it's not the same mafia, it's probably two different mafia groups.

Romanic

07-20-2010, 08:08

Yes, but no word of general pepper doing ANYTHING has appeared. So tales in the write-ups of him keeping the cornarians loyal against some kind of conversion. And is there any sign in the cornarian role-pms that they might be converted? or of general pepper being important to them?

The Role PM does not imply convertion. It could be a twist in the game, that will happen if General Pepper dies (example: The Cornerians will turn against the Venomians because they lack leadership after Pepper died).

But anyway, the point is that we cannot lynch General Pepper on this basis, not after we did not believe Beefy/Rob64 for the similar reasons.

Look at the character list in Post #1.

Star Fox Team (4) -> all accounted for.
Star Wolf Team (4) -> all accounted for if we believe Beskar.
Pigma -> has been attacked last night.
Krystal -> dead.
General Pepper -> ???
Katt Monroe -> dead.
Bill Grey -> dead.
Rob64 -> dead.

We know that every character from this list is around except General Pepper, so I'm inclined to believe autolycus.

wideyedwanderer

07-20-2010, 08:58

I kinda scanned him as neutral.

Yes, but...? :shifty:

Khazaar

07-20-2010, 09:26

I´m happy that we´re not trying to lynch another protownrole like beefy. Vote:ATPGood

Nightbringer

07-20-2010, 09:29

I'll agree that I have some doubts about Autolycus's claims, but others are more suspicious, so just let Beskar scan him and then we can see if he's telling the truth or not.
Thats what we're doing XD

Beskar

07-20-2010, 10:06

still leaves ATPGood, Chaotix, Wideyewander,Miotas, Hell_Hound unaccounted for. I hope Peppy's takes one of them out.

Renata

07-20-2010, 13:28

We're all just spinning our wheels. Time to go see what Pinman was up to before he died.

Beskar

07-20-2010, 14:28

I kinda scanned him as neutral.

What took you so long to say that? Bad Double A.

That pretty much proves I am not the mafia. :smash:

Death is yonder

07-20-2010, 16:07

but beskars does not contain any of the numerous flaws that autolycus's does. And general pepper has barely appeared in the writeups, and his si never has. Also, members oft eam star fox woud KNOW that general pepper where in the game because e would be a member of their team. or at least cornarians would. if a trusted player comes out and declares they KNOW there is a general pepper i will buy it

Right, so ArpeggiateTHIS was obviously lying, because if he claimed Bill Grey people would have laughed him down. Yes Nightbringer. Also most curious how your activity level rose magnificently when Beskar was accused by me :thinking:

Yes, but no word of general pepper doing ANYTHING has appeared. So tales in the write-ups of him keeping the cornarians loyal against some kind of conversion. And is there any sign in the cornarian role-pms that they might be converted? or of general pepper being important to them?

Read above reply :yes:

Also, why would Pizza basically place insinuations of a supporting character in role pms at the start?

While benefits are evident, conversely, it would provide unfair verification on the credibility of a claim.

Double A

07-20-2010, 16:37

What took you so long to say that? Bad Double A.

That pretty much proves I am not the mafia. :smash:

I've said it more than 8 times over the course of the game. :smash:

TheFlax

07-20-2010, 16:40

From Beskar's list, I like Chaotix or WEW better as lynches, but I'll go with everyone else on this.

Unvote, Vote: ATPGood

Askthepizzaguy

07-20-2010, 18:04

Round ended at 1200. So it appears as though Alexander the pretty guy is lynched.
Writeup commencing.

Renata

07-20-2010, 18:10

Argh, too slow. :(

Askthepizzaguy

07-20-2010, 18:46

Day Phase Eleven

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Sargosso.jpg

Stage Eleven: Sargasso Space Hideout

This is a for fun video.... it has no bearing on the story. Click on the music link below.

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Alexander the Pretty Good was flying his fighter through the Meteo Asteroid belt, when he found a strange region not explored before. There was a base in this region, controlled by Star Wolf.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-2.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: Looks like we've got an intruder, boys.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Leon_64-2.jpg Leon Powalski: Venom is attacking our base? We're not going down yet. The party's just begun!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Such unworthy prey... I wish to challenge something more interesting.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Let's cripple his ship anyway... sell it for scrap metal. I bet we can get a lotta cash for that!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Bow before the great Andrew!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Alexander the Pretty Good: Yikes! I'm out of here!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-2.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: Oh no you don't. Before we.... let you leave... I demand to know where Andross' secret base is located!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Alexander the Pretty Good: I don't know anything, I swear! I don't know where Andross is.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Leon_64-2.jpg Leon Powalski: You serve under him, do you not?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Alexander the Pretty Good: I haven't heard from him since Star Fox defeated him five years ago....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Why are the Venomians protecting his homeworld?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Alexander the Pretty Good: That's our homeworld now. He's not there!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* Whaddaya mean he's NOT THERE???

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Alexander the Pretty Good: He's set up a base somewhere else. Even Venom has been attacked by his proton-antiproton missiles. No one is safe. Your base could be next!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-2.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: What? Is that all you got?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Alexander the Pretty Good: Yes, that's the whole truth! ...Will you let me leave now?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-2.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: Absolutely. You're... dismissed.

With that, Star Wolf opened fire on the venomian fighter, and it was incinerated in a blast of red plasma.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Alexander the Pretty Good: AAARRRGGGHHH!!! My ship!!! The lollipop! ....It was such a good ship.

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MISSION COMPLETE

Enemies down: 1

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Alexander the Pretty Good- Venomian Fighter

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: Time is almost up...... Don't ever give up, my son.

Official Tally:

ATPGood: (8) DIY, Nightbringer, Autolycus, Secura, civplayah, Yaseikhaan, Khazaar, Flax
Beskar: (2) Chaotix, WEW,
miotas: Skooma Addict
autolycus: miotas
WEW: CDF
HH: Diana Abnoba

abstain: Beskar

hell_hound: Did not vote.
Psychonaut: did not vote

Alive: (17/44)

Autolycus
Beskar
Chaotix
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
hell_hound
Khazaar
Miotas
Nightbringer
Death is Yonder
Secura
Skooma Addict
TheFlax
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan

Dead: (25/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot

Out of this Dimension: (6/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.

Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

Beskar

07-20-2010, 19:29

autolycus, chaotix and wideeyewanderer, they are basically the only three left and again, they get away scot-free.

Renata

07-20-2010, 19:30

Beskar

07-20-2010, 19:33

Yaseikhaan and Psychonaut are Cornerian. The rest are non-Cornerian.

Askthepizzaguy

07-20-2010, 19:46

Official Tally:

ATPGood: (8) DIY, Nightbringer, Autolycus, Secura, civplayah, Yaseikhaan, Khazaar, Flax
Beskar: (2) Chaotix, WEW,
miotas: Skooma Addict
autolycus: miotas
WEW: CDF
HH: Diana Abnoba

abstain: Beskar

hell_hound: Did not vote.
Psychonaut: did not vote

Added to both writeups now.

Beskar

07-20-2010, 20:07

Peppy, you kill Chaotix, I will investigate autolycus, ??? will take out wide-eye-wanderer.

The town, Star Fox and Star Wolf win the game.

We have to do this now.

autolycus

07-20-2010, 20:22

Peppy, you kill Chaotix, I will investigate autolycus, ??? will take out wide-eye-wanderer.

The town, Star Fox and Star Wolf win the game.

We have to do this now.

My name is General Pepper, and I approve this message. One possible issue is if Venomians have been vulnerable to conversion, that they may have infiltrated your ranks, Wolf. But for tonight, I think you're on the money.

Renata

07-20-2010, 20:23

WEW is not mafia, that's the one thing I've gotten from my review so far. Check out the day where shlin was lynched. WEW was in the lead for a short while, *and Pinman put him there*. Furthermore, it was a now-known townie (landlubber) who changed that again, not a teammate of Pinman's.

Specifically, post 396.

autolycus

07-20-2010, 20:29

In that case, ??? should probably take a shot at who Pigma might be, since he didn't seem to be on Team Star Wolf in beskar's PM, and is therefore probably evil. We know it's not Psychonaut and it's not Yaseikhaan.

Beskar

07-20-2010, 20:30

??? attacked Pigma and it failed last phase. hm?

Renata

07-20-2010, 20:37

Did you scan Pinman, Beskar? Can't remember.

Renata

07-20-2010, 20:51

Can't read: actually Pinman's vote on WEW made it 4-3 in favor of WEW, then Autolycus, Double A, CDF and landlubber in short order made it 4-7. Still doesn't strike me at all as a bussing (two of those are known townies, bandwagon could have gone anywhere), but just to be clear.

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 21:05

I hope Pigma's attack, takes one of them out.

What?

BTW, hell hound and miotas are both guilty of epic lurking and being mafiaish, lynch one of them tomorrow.

Renata

07-20-2010, 21:08

The shlin bandwagon, for posterity, living players bolded, Pinman in red:

shlin28- (12) Renata, Secura, autolycus, Double A, CDF, landlubber [did not unvote], Beskar, DIY, Seon, Joooray, Diana Abnoba, hell_hound

WEW- (10) JHT, Chaotix[version one], Pinman, Miotas, Romanic, Nightbringer, Skooma Addict, Yaseikhaan, Alexander the Pretty Good, Beefy187
Krill- (2) TheFlax, Yaropolk
Rob_the_Celt- (1) God Emperor
JHT- (1) WEW
God Emperor (1) Khazaar
YLC[Psychonaut] (1) shlin28

abstain- (1) Krill

Did Not Vote: (9) Frozen in Ice, merciary[Chaotix], Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Stuck in Pi, White_Eyes:D, Winston Hughes[civplayah], YLC[Psychonaut]

I have this theory that mafia tend to spread their votes when it's townie vs townie, as I think this was, so I might come back to this later.

Beskar

07-20-2010, 21:16

Day one tally

11 No Lynch: (shlin28, TheTheFlax, civplayah, Pinman, Beefy187, miotas, Seon, landlubber. remake20, hello_hound, Nightbringer)

8 pevergreen : (Diana Abnoba, Secura, Arpeggiate, choxorn, wideye, YLC, Renata, Chaotix)
2 remake20: (Khazaar, autolycus)
2 Wideye: (joooray, pever)
2 JHT: (Winston Hughes, Double A)
2 Yaseikhaan: (Beskar, Stuck in Pi)
2 TheTheFlax: (Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)
1 Frozen in Ice: (Nightbringer)
1 White_Eyes: (Romanic)
1 Chaotix: (Frozen in Ice)
1 Double A: (Skooma Addict)
1 Kadagar: (DIY)
1 Winston: (JHT)
1 shlin28: (ATPGood)

2 abstain: (Splitpersonality, merciary)

5 did not vote: (Kadagar_AV, Krill, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, White_Eyes:D)

Day two tally

civplayah: 12 (Winston, ATPGood, Nightbringer, wideye, Double A, Yasei, landlubber, merciary, God Emperor, choxorn, Skooma Addict, Chaotix)

shlin28: 4 (Renata, Secura, YLC, splitpersonality)
Renata: 4 (Seon [did not unvote], Frozen In Ice, Beskar, TheTheFlax)
wideyedwanderer: 3 (johnhughthom, Yaropolk, Nightbringer)
White_Eyes: 2 (Diana Abnoba, Romanic)
Beefy187: 1 (ArpeggiateTHIS, Khazaar)
Nictel: 1 (autolycus)
YLC: 1 (miotas)
landlubber: 1 (shlin28)
Arpeggiate: 1 (Beefy187)
autolycus: 1 (Pinman)
Krill: 1 (Krill)

No Lynch: 1 (civplayah)

abstain: 3 (Rob_the_Celt, hello_hound, Nictel)

Did Not Vote: 4 (Joooray, remake20, Stuck in Pi, White_eyes)

Day three tally

shlin28- (12) Renata, Secura, autolycus, Double A, Nightbringer, landlubber [did not unvote], Beskar, DIY, Seon, Joooray, Diana Abnoba, hello_hound

WEW- (10) JHT, Chaotix, Pinman, miotas, Romanic, Nightbringer, Skooma Addict, Yaseikhaan, Alexander the Pretty Good, Beefy187
Krill- (2) TheTheFlax, Yaropolk
Rob_the_Celt- (1) God Emperor
JHT- (1) WEW
God Emperor (1) Khazaar
YLC (1) shlin28

abstain- (1) Krill

Did Not Vote: (9) Frozen in Ice, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Stuck in Pi, White_Eyes:D, Winston Hughes, YLC

Day four tally

Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, TheFlax, Double A, Beskar

Beskar: (7) landlubber, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Frozen in Ice, Pinman

Stuck in Pi: (2) Beefy, Nightbringer
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
ArpeggiateTHIS: (1) Khazaar

No Lynch: (1) hell hound

abstain: (4) Diana, Seon, Skooma, ATPGood

(votes after midnight don't count)

Did Not Vote: (8) (Joooray, Krill, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Winston Hughes , YLC)

Day five tally

17 Seon (choxorn, Renata, TheFlax, Joooray, Beefy, Double A, Diana Abnoba, God Emperor, landlubber, Romanic, Beskar, pevergreen, Frozen, WEW, ATPGood, Secura, miotas)
3 Beefy (Nictel, Skooma Addict, Cultured Drizzt fan)
2 Krill (Nightbringer, Seon)
1 hello_hound (autolycus)
1 pevergreen (DIY)

1 Abstain (hello_hound, JHT)

NOT VOTING: civplayah, Khazaar, Krill, merciary, Rob_the_Celt, Stuck in Pi, Yaseikhaan, YLC

(Krill attempted to vote, so I am cutting him some slack. Everyone else..... is in the dog house.)

Day Six tally

Beefy187: (21) JHT, TheTheFlax, Beskar, Joooray, Nightbringer, Yaseikhaan, miotas, Secura, pevergreen, Skooma Addict, choxorn, Beefy187, Krill, DIY, Renata, ATPGood, landlubber, hello_hound, Frozen in Ice, shlin28, civplayah

Khazaar: (5) Double A, Diana, WEW, ArpeggiateTHIS, Nictel

Psychonaut: pevergreen
hellhound: Chaotix
Skooma Addict: Psychonaut
Double A: Khazaar
Khazaar: autolycus

Abstain: Nightbringer

NOT VOTING: Stuck in Pi

Day Seven tally

Frozen: (10) Beskar, Diana, autolycus, ATPGood, miotas, DIY, choxorn, Skooma, Psycho, Krill
Khazaar: (5) shlin28, landlubber, Chaotix, civplayah, TheTheFlax, Nightbringer [voted late]
landlubber: (2) WEW, Nightbringer
Joooray: (2) Yaseikhaan, Secura
JHT: Joooray
Choxorn: pever
abstain: hello_hound

NOT VOTING: (6) Double A, johnhughthom, Khazaar, Nictel, Stuck in Pi

Day Eight tally

Nictel: (10) Beskar, Skooma, Diana, JHT, Yasei, Nightbringer, pever, miotas, Psycho, DIY
WEW: (3) Nightbringer, choxorn, Chaotix
Diana Abnoba: (2) Khazaar, TheTheFlax
Yaseikhaan: (1) Nictel
Skooma: (1) Double A
Beskar: (1) Krill
Krill: (1) landlubber

abstain: (2) civplayah, WEW

NOT VOTING: (checking) ATPGood, autolycus, hello_hound, shlin28, Secura

Day nine tally

Krill: 8 (Beskar, Nightbringer, Skooma, autoycus, TheTheFlax, landlubber, Nightbringer, hello_hound
Diana: 4 (Choxorn, DIY, Krill, Khazaar)
Beskar: 1 (pevergreen)
autolycus:1 (Secura)
Choxorn: 1 (WEW)

abstain: 1 (ATPGood)

Day 10 tally

pevergreen: Beskar, ATPGood, civplayah, Nightbringer, TheFlax, skooma, lubber, diana, pever, DIY
Beskar: WEW, Chaotix, Psychonaut, autolycus
DIY: Nightbringer
Diana: Khazaar

Day 11 tally

ATPGood: (8) DIY, Nightbringer, autolycus, Secura, civplayah, Yaseikhaan, Khazaar, TheFlax
Beskar: (2) Chaotix, WEW,
miotas: Skooma Addict
autolycus: miotas
WEW: Nightbringer
HH: Diana Abnoba

abstain: Beskar

hello_hound: Did not vote.
Psychonaut: did not vote

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

Secura

07-20-2010, 21:21

What?

BTW, hell hound and miotas are both guilty of epic lurking and being mafiaish, lynch one of them tomorrow.

miotas is definitely a good target; he popped up to vote solely to avoid the WoG. >.<

Renata

07-20-2010, 21:25

Stick a key in there somewhere for the color coding.

Beskar

07-20-2010, 21:30

Grey = Venomian/Star Wolf, Blue = Cornerian/Star Fox, Green = Non-investigated, Brown = Mafia

Based on voting pattern, Miotas definitely rings alarm bells.

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 21:38

Also, stop replacing "CDF" with "Nightbringer", it makes the tally screwy.

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 21:40

Also, you've marked a few people as dead when their names were abbreviated in the tally- why, exactly?

Renata

07-20-2010, 21:45

Replacing CDF with Nightbringer?

Did you investigate Pinman, Beskar?

Renata

07-20-2010, 21:51

Final question, because we're approaching the point at which it must be asked. How much do you trust your investigations? There's an option to your survival that I hadn't brought up yet, which is that you're still alive as an investigator because you are no threat. That is a HUGE contradiction if the enemy really is down to hiding among only three people. You may already have 'cleared' the Big Bad.

Though granted I wouldn't expect Psychonaut, Khaan, OR DiY to engage in the epic fail of sending in kill orders for someone already dead. What about those on your team? Any bad vibes?

Beskar

07-20-2010, 21:57

Beskar

07-20-2010, 21:58

Replacing CDF with Nightbringer?
Did you investigate Pinman, Beskar?

If I did, it was by mistake. I did a "replace" command. But both Nightbringer and CDF are not the mafia anyway, so it doesn't matter much.

Choxorn

07-20-2010, 22:01

Replacing CDF with Nightbringer?

Did you investigate Pinman, Beskar?

Yeah, all of CDF's votes in the tally were replaced with Nightbringer, making it look like Nightbringer voted twice every day and CDF didn't vote at all.

Renata

07-20-2010, 22:04

Those who did NOT vote Beefy this day, kindly explain your position? I see this almost the opposite of Beskar. It's much easier for the mafia to "get it right" in a situation like that than it is for a townie to do so.

Beefy187: (21) JHT, TheTheFlax, Beskar, Joooray, Nightbringer, Yaseikhaan, miotas, Secura, pevergreen, Skooma Addict, choxorn, Beefy187, Krill, DIY, Renata, ATPGood, landlubber, hello_hound, Frozen in Ice, shlin28, civplayah

Khazaar: (5) Double A, Diana, WEW, ArpeggiateTHIS, Nictel

Psychonaut: pevergreen
hellhound: Chaotix
Skooma Addict: Psychonaut
Double A: Khazaar
Khazaar: autolycus

Abstain: Nightbringer

Edit: Excluding WEW whom I think is town, that would be Diana, Chaotix, Psychonaut, Khazaar, Autolycus, Nightbringer (or maybe CDF).

Renata

07-20-2010, 22:07

Saw your post, Beskar -- can you fix it?

Beskar

07-20-2010, 22:10

You only need to ask Chaotix and autolycus. Which funnily enough are two of my top suspects... Peppy, you better come through. :smash:

Renata

07-20-2010, 22:15

Post 451 slightly in Psychonaut/YLC's favor, though nothing definitive. Pinman went "role claim" to a comment of YLC's, complete with juggling smilie. Seemed like he was doing it just to buff his credentials as a Venomian ... drew attention to YLC/Psychonaut as a claimed Cornerian ... actually I'm not sure. Given what Pinman was trying at the same time, it's not impossible YLC might be going for the same in reverse. His posts were certainly over-the-top enough. Not all that different from his behavior in ABZF. Meh, null tell.

Renata

07-20-2010, 22:41

Autolycus' record is quite scummy -- third on about three bandwagons (heh) -- except Pinman's, in which he sat at a mafia-comfortable just-past-halfway -- and otherwise voted lurkers.

Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, TheFlax, Double A, Beskar

Beskar: (7) landlubber, Stuck in Pi, Yaro, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Frozen in Ice, Pinman

Stuck in Pi: (2) Beefy, Nightbringer
Wideyedwanderer: (1) Nightbringer
ArpeggiateTHIS: (1) Khazaar

No Lynch: (1) hell hound

abstain: (4) Diana, Seon, Skooma, ATPGood

(votes after midnight don't count)

Did Not Vote: (8) (Joooray, Krill, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Winston Hughes , YLC)

The no-lynch here is good for hell_hound -- would be a crazy thing to do if he were on Pinman's team.

Renata

07-20-2010, 22:44

Will have to continue tomorrow.

DELETE_THIS

07-20-2010, 23:04

Day 8... It will always be remembered...

miotas

07-21-2010, 00:33

miotas is definitely a good target; he popped up to vote solely to avoid the WoG. >.<

I was unexpectedly without internet from Friday the 9th until Monday the 19th. It was just luck that I got home in time to avoid getting killed

Nightbringer

07-21-2010, 02:28

Right, so ArpeggiateTHIS was obviously lying, because if he claimed Bill Grey people would have laughed him down. Yes Nightbringer. Also most curious how your activity level rose magnificently when Beskar was accused by me :thinking:

Read above reply :yes:

Also, why would Pizza basically place insinuations of a supporting character in role pms at the start?

While benefits are evident, conversely, it would provide unfair verification on the credibility of a claim.

No, Bill grey had been seen quite a bit during the write-ups, and he did claim bill grey, and people didnt laugh him down.
As to my rise in activity, that is because my girlfriend left town for a month about then, giving me too much spare time to sit on the computer.

And i was wondering why i got two votes every time.

wideyedwanderer

07-21-2010, 03:45

Those who did NOT vote Beefy this day, kindly explain your position? I see this almost the opposite of Beskar. It's much easier for the mafia to "get it right" in a situation like that than it is for a townie to do so.

Edit: Excluding WEW whom I think is town, that would be Diana, Chaotix, Psychonaut, Khazaar, Autolycus, Nightbringer (or maybe CDF).

Renata actually thinks I'm town? :shocked3: I'll answer the question anyway. I thought Khazaar was as good a suspect as Beefy, so I wanted to give Beefy some time to prove his innocence before voting for him, since he claimed Rob64.

I think Diana, Khazaar, and Nightbringer are either Venomian, or members of Star Wolf. I'd like to believe Autlucus' claim of General Pepper, but one thing I've noticed is that in the other games I've played with him, he's always been more active. This game, he doesn't seem so active...

Anyone else notice that we gave Beskar yet another chance, and once again, he blew it?

autolycus

07-21-2010, 03:53

It's true, I often am more active, although my average talkativeness is much lower here than over on CFC, and given that I seem to almost invariably be scum over there, that doesn't really indicate much. But I usually base much of my strategy off of behind the scenes communications, which none of us who aren't part of Star Fox or Star Wolf or scum can have. With respect to the day we lynched Beefy and my not being part of that, I don't honestly remember whether it was because I didn't think lynching someone who'd uncontradictedly claimed ROB was a good idea, or whether I just wasn't on between when Star Fox came out against him and the end of the day.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 04:51

If you want to be accurate, none of the people I have investigated are Andross.

If any of the venomians were recruited later, then that is a different point in itself. But I am 100% certain in my results.

How can you say that Beskar? The rules clearly state different:

Investigation roles are not 100% effectiveAre you ignoring that fact on purpose?

I already said it, but here it is again: In a game like this, I am expecting that at least Andross will be protected from scan results, and maybe others.

Also, you said that there's only three suspects left, and we know there's at least three mafia left (Shogun, Gorgon, Andross). Odds are that at least one has slipped through your scanning process.

That's another scummy tell for you Beskar: Boasting that your scans are 100% effective when you should be aware that they are not.

Another scummy tell is willingness to reveal Cornerians whenever the occasion arises. You rushed to answer Renata's query to know who were the remaining Cornerians, as if you didn't care at all about them. Now, please answer this question as fast: Who are the member of the Star Wolf team?

Right, no need to answer. I know you won't.

3rd scummy tell: Peppy is the only Star Fox member left around, and you were pushing for him to reveal. Why? The way things are going, you should be aware that Peppy will be killed if he reveals.

4th scummy tell: Your role PM is forged. Many parts are not ATPG's, it's blatant. I was ready to keep silent on this, figuring that you were protecting important information for the town by doing so, but now I don't know anymore.

If you are really working with the Cornerians Beskar, you are doing a really bad job of it. Really, really bad. I've been lenient with you, but I don't believe you anymore.

Y'know, "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could also mean that AA scanning you as neutral is :daisy:

From now on, Falco will approve any lynch of Beskar. He's too much of a risk.

Chaotix

07-21-2010, 05:14

Please note that on these earlier days I was a different character.

During the Beefy lynch day I believe I was a Cornerian. And then shortly after that I died, probably killed by Star Wolf.

I think I stepped in for merciary... 3? 4 rounds ago? Day 8 sounds about right, without an in-depth look at Beskar's list. (Note- with all that color-coding, Beskar probably knows when I stepped in better than me.)

Oh, and Beskar is still scum. That is all. :bow:

Nightbringer

07-21-2010, 05:41

4th scummy tell: Your role PM is forged. Many parts are not ATPG's, it's blatant. I was ready to keep silent on this, figuring that you were protecting important information for the town by doing so, but now I don't know anymore.

Y'know, "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could also mean that AA scanning you as neutral is :daisy:

From now on, Falco will approve any lynch of Beskar. He's too much of a risk.

Can you explain what about his role pm is forged? That would make the argument much more convincing. We should also keep in mind that the "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could easily be about investigators only being able to check whether people are neutral. Or only being able to check whether they are town, as we have seen them work all along.

Choxorn

07-21-2010, 05:58

Can you explain what about his role pm is forged? That would make the argument much more convincing. We should also keep in mind that the "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could easily be about investigators only being able to check whether people are neutral. Or only being able to check whether they are town, as we have seen them work all along.

The Quicktopic link leads to an Epic Fail Pic, and the names of his partners aren't revealed. That's completely understandable, but still evidence that it's been forged.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 07:10

Can you explain what about his role pm is forged? That would make the argument much more convincing.

Besides the obvious part that Choxorn mentioned, the following part is forged:

Ability: You can investigate.

Don't get too cocky, Star Fox. - You can select one target and scan them.

Blatant lack of details: Does not mention when he can scan, nor the kind of result he will get. That's not from ATPG, he's more conscientious.

Conclusion: Beskar is not a scanner.

That, per se, does not make Beskar an enemy of the Town, but there's been too many scumtells, and being caught in a lie is just one of them.

We should also keep in mind that the "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" could easily be about investigators only being able to check whether people are neutral.

To me, "Investigation roles are not 100% effective" means that you will not get the right scanning result every time, but how it works is unclear.

The scanning power he is claiming is too powerful compared to what we've seen so far:

Double A: able to scan for neutrals, getting a yes/no result if someone was neutral.
Romanic: able to scan for Venomians, getting a yes/no result if someone was Venomian.

Beskar: able to investigate, getting a faction as a result <---- Seriously?

And claiming that his scans are 100% effective. That's just does not work with game balance. Why would 2 Star Fox members have lowly scanning powers and Beskar such a strong one?

He's lying.

Nightbringer

07-21-2010, 08:13

Good explanation, I'll give Beskar a chance to explain before drawing any conclusions

pevergreen

07-21-2010, 09:48

Blatant lack of details: Does not mention when he can scan, nor the kind of result he will get. That's not from ATPG, he's more conscientious.

Quite possible, I also don't think that Don't get too cocky, star fox would be used

Why not use the actual line: "I can't let you do that Star Fox." ATPG has used lines from Lylat Wars in the writeups.

Beskar

07-21-2010, 10:05

Anyone else notice that we gave Beskar yet another chance, and once again, he blew it?

What did I blow? I didn't choose the kill choice. Again.

Falco will approve any lynch of Beskar. He's too much of a risk.

I am not a risk at all. Don't be a fool.

Beskar: able to investigate, getting a faction as a result <---- Seriously?

And claiming that his scans are 100% effective. That's just does not work with game balance. Why would 2 Star Fox members have lowly scanning powers and Beskar such a strong one?

He's lying.

No, I am not.

I am able to investigate with getting their ship as a result. Also, it works with game balance a lot, since both Star Fox and Cornerians get a truck full of power-roles, revivers, etc, and we basically have one for us and the entire venomians.

Also, stop trying to purposefully screw up the game and hand over the mafia a victory. Seriously. Even Double A proved I was a neutral so instead focus on the suspects. There are 5 people who are not investigated, Andross is one of those five and he needs to die ASAP or we all lose. Peppy needs to follow me, so we can make best use of the opportunity to get Andross.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 11:02

Also, #1) stop trying to #2) purposefully screw up the game and hand over the mafia a victory.

Nuh-uh.

#1) "Stop trying to screw up the game" implies that I did it at least once before. Please clarify how I've been doing it before. I've been lenient with you so far, and I'm surprised to hear this instead of an actual argumentation.

#2) "Purposefully" implies that I have a reason to screw up the game. I am Falco, confirmed innocent. What's my reason?

Bad choice of words really.

Don't blame me for speaking against you when it's all your fault. It would have been different if you acted pro-town and not so obviously pro-Wolf. For all I've seen you don't care about Star Fox or the Cornerians, and it speaks of hidden agenda like many others already pointed out.

If you are really pro-town, well, maybe you should have done some things differently, because a lot of us don't trust you anymore, including most of the Star Fox team.

I'd really like to see you lynched, just to see which color you will appear in the writeup. Gray for neutral, or Red for evil :smug2:

Seriously. Even Double A proved I was a neutral so instead focus on the suspects.

That's barely a proof considering how useless scans have been so far in this game, we can see this from your own results: You've scanned a lot of players without a successful Androssian scan, and there's to your saying, five players who have not been scanned so far :

There are 5 people who are not investigated, Andross is one of those five and he needs to die ASAP or we all lose.

The three mafia would be left in the remaining five unscanned players?! :laugh4: Either you are lying to us, or the scans are not 100% effective.

Nightbringer

07-21-2010, 11:04

What did I blow? I didn't choose the kill choice. Again.

I am not a risk at all. Don't be a fool.

No, I am not.

I am able to investigate with getting their ship as a result. Also, it works with game balance a lot, since both Star Fox and Cornerians get a truck full of power-roles, revivers, etc, and we basically have one for us and the entire venomians.

Also, stop trying to purposefully screw up the game and hand over the mafia a victory. Seriously. Even Double A proved I was a neutral so instead focus on the suspects. There are 5 people who are not investigated, Andross is one of those five and he needs to die ASAP or we all lose. Peppy needs to follow me, so we can make best use of the opportunity to get Andross.

Makes sense, and honestly, does ANYONE have proof of General Pepper being int he game. Someone would have evidence of his doing anything.

Nightbringer

07-21-2010, 11:08

Nuh-uh.

#1) "Stop trying to screw up the game" implies that I did it at least once before. Please clarify how I've been doing it before. I've been lenient with you so far, and I'm surprised to hear this instead of an actual argumentation.

#2) "Purposefully" implies that I have a reason to screw up the game. I am Falco, confirmed innocent. What's my reason?

Bad choice of words really.

Don't blame me for speaking against you when it's all your fault. It would have been different if you acted pro-town and not so obviously pro-Wolf. For all I've seen you don't care about Star Fox or the Cornerians, and it speaks of hidden agenda like many others already pointed out.

If you are really pro-town, well, maybe you should have done some things differently, because a lot of us don't trust you anymore, including most of the Star Fox team.

I'd really like to see you lynched, just to see which color you will appear in the writeup. Gray for neutral, or Red for evil :smug2:

That's barely a proof considering how useless scans have been so far in this game, we can see this from your own results: You've scanned a lot of players without a successful Androssian scan, and there's to your saying, five players who have not been scanned so far :

The three mafia would be left in the remaining five unscanned players?! :laugh4: Either you are lying to us, or the scans are not 100% effective.

Yes, he may not have used the best words, but targeting that isn't much better. As to him being pro-wolf... of course he is pro wolf, he is star wolf, but being pro wolf is the same as being anti andross, which is everyones objective. Star Fox is gone, maybe he let that happen, maybe not, but even if he did is a revenge kill worth letting Andross win? Maybe we should just worry about getting a neutral town victory, and a mafia loss. Even if everything you have been saying is true we still should not vote Beskar because we know he is not andross.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 11:20

Yes, he may not have used the best words, but targeting that isn't much better. As to him being pro-wolf... of course he is pro wolf, he is star wolf, but being pro wolf is the same as being anti andross, which is everyones objective. Star Fox is gone, maybe he let that happen, maybe not, but even if he did is a revenge kill worth letting Andross win? Maybe we should just worry about getting a neutral town victory, and a mafia loss. Even if everything you have been saying is true we still should not vote Beskar because we know he is not andross.

I'll blame that argument on inexperience, but being neutral is not testament of being on the side of the town. Neutral roles usually have different victory conditions than townies, otherwise they would be townies.

We know that the Venomians can win with the town (from the standard Venomian role PM), but we haven't read anything stating that Star Wolf can win with us, except Beskar's word.

If I were you, I'd be very cautious in assuming that Star Wolf can win with the Cornerians / Venomians.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 11:36

Beskar

07-21-2010, 12:16

I'll blame that argument on inexperience, but being neutral is not testament of being on the side of the town. Neutral roles usually have different victory conditions than townies, otherwise they would be townies.

Or we can put it that your statement is due to inexperience, as you are ignoring the game where as 'town' 'neutral' mean cornerian and venomian who are anti-Andross.

We know that the Venomians can win with the town (from the standard Venomian role PM), but we haven't read anything stating that Star Wolf can win with us, except Beskar's word.

Yet, that is all you need and the fact I am scanned as neutral and not mafia pretty much proves I am not on Andross's side that it is beyond reasonable doubt that I am against him.

If I were you, I'd be very cautious in assuming that Star Wolf can win with the Cornerians / Venomians.

Again, you are wrong. I can't be bothered to try to argue it, anyone who says I am mafia is wrong. There is no lean-way or argument.

We got 3 phases. Tonight, day phase then one night phase to get Andross or we all lose the game. I cannot be bothered with nonsense spewed from the mafia to attempt to make sure they win, which deluded individuals are lapping up. If I die, the game will be over tomorrow lynch, if it isn't Andross dead.

Nightbringer

07-21-2010, 12:37

WAIT A MINUTE! What do you mean by "a revenge kill" ?

Please do explain. Do you think I am trying to get a revenge on Beskar? :smug2:

That seems to be the only reason to want him dead. Unless you think he didn't just let Star Fox die, but is actually on the mafia team. But we know he is neutral so that doesn't seem possible. And I had been under the impression that the Star Wolf neutral was exactly the same as the Venomian neutral. (cornarians having Star Fox as their leaders, venomians having star wolf as their leaders)

Beskar

07-21-2010, 12:56

That seems to be the only reason to want him dead. Unless you think he didn't just let Star Fox die, but is actually on the mafia team. But we know he is neutral so that doesn't seem possible. And I had been under the impression that the Star Wolf neutral was exactly the same as the Venomian neutral. (cornarians having Star Fox as their leaders, venomians having star wolf as their leaders)

That is correct. That is the set-up.

I have to admit Nightbringer, you was rather lurky and quiet earlier in the game, but I think you come out and shined since. You gone from quiet to possibly one of the best contributors in this game. You are getting credit where credit is true. Last round and so since, your contributions have been excellent. :bow:

johnhughthom

07-21-2010, 13:07

That is correct. That is the set-up.

I have to admit Nightbringer, you was rather lurky and quiet earlier in the game, but I think you come out and shined since. You gone from quiet to possibly one of the best contributors in this game. You are getting credit where credit is true. Last round and so since, your contributions have been excellent. :bow:

Here you go Nightbringer, have a pat on the head. Good boy. ~:pat:

Renata

07-21-2010, 13:30

We got 3 phases. Tonight, day phase then one night phase to get Andross or we all lose the game.

EXPLAIN. There are 13 players left and according to you, only two other mafia. "We all lose" in three phases is NOT in evidence from that -- it should be four or five dead, 8 or 9 left, 2 mafia. That's not a win under the usual rules and expectations. You know something we don't. Spill it.

I want to believe you're town, Beskar. I really do. But start acting like it and answer a straight question for once.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 14:01

That seems to be the only reason to want him dead. Unless you think he didn't just let Star Fox die, but is actually on the mafia team. But we know he is neutral so that doesn't seem possible.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Nice attempt to cover up your mistake, but it falls short. I could have a lot of reasons to lynch Beskar, and one of them that was mentioned many times is belief that Star Wolf he has a different agenda. Your revenge kill idea is very imaginative considering everything that was said in the game thread, and I cannot believe that you honestly think "it is the only reason I want him dead".

Star Fox is gone, maybe he let that happen, maybe not, but even if he did is a revenge kill worth letting Andross win?Revenge kill, implying someone killed someone else, and I would like to avenge that kill.

You slipped Nightbringer!

You talked in the game thread about knowledge that you should not have! You know that Star Fox was killed by someone on the Star Wolf team! Hence the "revenge kill" remark, as if I wanted to get Beskar lynched because he killed Star Fox.

That's interesting knowledge from someone who claimed Venomian (see Post 1354 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2523260&viewfull=1#post2523260)) :

I don't know what I've done that is so scummy. I'm just a noob and a simple venomian fighter. ive just felt like we are all flailing around in the dark, thats why i have been waffling with my vote a lot.But hey, it gets better when Beskar confirms it (see Post 1472 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2524358&viewfull=1#post2524358))

Also, Nightbringer was telling the truth, he is a Venomian.Possibility #1: Nightbringer is a Star Wolf member, and Beskar is covering for him. If that's true, Beskar has been lying to us, maybe to protect his teammate. That would be another pro-Wolf move from Beskar, very much unhelpful to the town trying to figure who Andross is and being fed false information. :smug2:

Possibility #2: You are Androssian, protected from scanning, and Beskar really scanned you as Venomian, but you are in fact one of the beasts we're looking for. Somehow you know that Star Wolf killed Fox and you let that slip in your previous posts.

Either way, congratulations, you've just become my most wanted lynch target, a hair ahead of Beskar!

****

Now, it's been in my head for a long time that the ??? killer was on Team Star Wolf, and this slip from Nightbringer is a proof that confirms it. Did Star Wolf kill choxorn on purpose? Maybe, maybe not... We've all seen how vigilantes can go awfully wrong.

But one fact remains, the Star Wolf team killed Star Fox. Now it's your turn to talk, Beskar.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 14:06

naut

07-21-2010, 14:19

Lol. So many lies. I bet Beskar is not true to his word and the remaining Cornerians die tonight.

Beskar

07-21-2010, 14:20

EXPLAIN. There are 13 players left and according to you, only two other mafia. "We all lose" in three phases is NOT in evidence from that -- it should be four or five dead, 8 or 9 left, 2 mafia. That's not a win under the usual rules and expectations. You know something we don't. Spill it.

I want to believe you're town, Beskar. I really do. But start acting like it and answer a straight question for once.

Do the maths. There will be 4 deaths tonight, 1 tomorrow for lynch, possibly 2-4 the night after. (Numbers based on Mafia not dying, and myself and Peppy's status).

This means a loss of 7-9 non-mafia, and there are 3 mafia. (Andross, Gorgon, Shogun Droid) Mafia wins.

Lol. So many lies. I bet Beskar is not true to his word and the remaining Cornerians die tonight.

If that is true, you would already be dead.

"Don't lynch me or you will lose."

Which is a fact, suck it up. I don't have time for the same nonsense from Sigurd's game, where I was a powerful pro-town role but because I had the name "Dooku". We have a lynch phase left, and knowing my luck, Peppy will do something stupid and not follow what I said, and end up costing us the game.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 14:58

The most kills we've ever seen in a single night is 2. What's up with 4 kills per night Beskar? :laugh4:

Beskar

07-21-2010, 15:23

The most kills we've ever seen in a single night is 2. What's up with 4 kills per night Beskar? :laugh4:

That is wrong, there were 3 kill attempts last night and that didn't include ???.

Andross killed (well, tried too)
Gorgon and Shogun Driod killed landlubber.
Peppy tried to kill Pigma.

Since "???" so apparently a member of Star Wolf and didn't attack last night...

4 kills.

Quite interesting that I am paying most attention to this game, you can tell who wants to get rid of the mafia (Andross) and win. (It's me)

Romanic

07-21-2010, 16:29

That is wrong, there were 3 kill attempts last night and that didn't include ???.

Andross killed (well, tried too)
Gorgon and Shogun Driod killed landlubber.
Peppy tried to kill Pigma.

Since "???" so apparently a member of Star Wolf and didn't attack last night...

4 kills.

Quite interesting that I am paying most attention to this game, you can tell who wants to get rid of the mafia (Andross) and win. (It's me)

I know perfectly what happened last night. Notice that I said "The most kills we've ever seen in a single night is 2" and it is true. Last night there was 3 kill attempts, but only 1 kill.

Besides, your 4 kills per night seems to include Peppy and "???". One is a confirmed townie, and the other is likely member of Star Wolf. Andross does not have 4 kills, they have 2 at best, if Gorgon and Droid can repeat a kill every night.

Beskar

07-21-2010, 17:12

Even then, we need to use the vigilente abilities to hit the mafia. If we miss, then it would be the non-andross that suffers.

We need to hit our non-investigated, Andross is hiding in there.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 18:00

Beskar, would you care to reveal on which night you recruited Pigma into your team?

Beskar

07-21-2010, 18:05

The night Pinman died. Pigma isn't Andross.

The fact is, one of the non-investigated is Andross. Make sure Peppy deals with Chaotix, ??? will deal with the other. I will be really upset if one of the investigated dies, as it completely ruins an opportunity of us to narrow down our suspects (ie: non-investigated) opposed to those who have been cleared and are not Andross.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 18:06

The night Pinman died.

Pinman died on Day 4. So Night 3 or Night 4?

Beskar

07-21-2010, 18:09

Pinman died on Day 4. So Night 3 or Night 4?

Night 4. I noticed something in one of the posts, after it came out about me being Star Wolf.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2010, 18:30

24 hours have passed and I have orders from all teams.

Your actions are now locked in. Hold on to your butts......

Secura

07-21-2010, 18:42

Beskar, would you care to reveal on which night you recruited Pigma into your team?

I can answer this fully, because recruiting Pigma was my ability and personal goal.

Pigma officially joined Star Wolf on the 26th June 2010; I received a tip-off that a certain player was Pigma (shortly before the private conversation ban), investigated said player to confirm the fact, then recruited them shortly afterwards. :3

Romanic

07-21-2010, 19:13

I can answer this fully, because recruiting Pigma was my ability and personal goal.

Pigma officially joined Star Wolf on the 26th June 2010; I received a tip-off that a certain player was Pigma (shortly before the private conversation ban), investigated said player to confirm the fact, then recruited them shortly afterwards. :3

I don't get it - Why did you receive a private tip-off when you could talk on the Star Wolf QT?

Did the tip-off came from someone who was not on your team? :huh:

Secura

07-21-2010, 19:21

Did the tip-off came from someone who was not on your team? :huh:

Essentially, the person with the Pigma role approached Beskar and hinted that they would like to join our team; I was informed of this and acted immediately, discovered that they were Pigma and sent the invitation to them via Pizza. :3

Double A

07-21-2010, 19:34

Beskar -- please list all of the living people you have confirmed as Cornerian. I don't even care if you mix in a teammate or two in order to hide them, I just want to know who's been checked out. Please also list any people you have as "non-Cornerian".

Double A, please do the same for any results that have already been made public. I don't have time to go through the thread trying to dig all of this out, but presumably you have easier access to the information and know which results are allowable to talk about.

I'm pretty sure everyone Arpeg checked out is now dead, but if anyone remembers differently, let me know. I'm going to try to take a crack at this; I need information.

I've said them multiple times... but fine.

N1: Beefy187 (not neutral)
N2: wideyedwanderer (not neutral)
N3: Romanic (not neutral)
N4: Beskar (neutral)
N5: Yaseikhaan (not neutral)
N6: forgot orders
N7: Khazaar (neutral)
N8: Died

If anyone EVER asks again, you can just go straight to search bar hell.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 19:43

Essentially, the person with the Pigma role approached Beskar and hinted that they would like to join our team; I was informed of this and acted immediately, discovered that they were Pigma and sent the invitation to them via Pizza. :3

Oh no! Pigma basically invited himself into your team.

http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Pigma

Look at this guy, he is listed as a member of every faction (Star Fox, Star Wolf, Venomian, Andross). He could easily be a spy who infiltrated your team.

Was he ever scanned for neutrality?

That would explain why there has been no kill on the Star Wolf team so far. Andross knows who you are and is getting free information on the QT, so he intends to kill Star Wolf last. It would also explain how they miraculously hit blue innocent every time (11 night in a row so far) as they could be using your scan results to find who we are.

Double A

07-21-2010, 19:47

snip

My scanner doesn't give back "neutral or something else, OR town or something else" results. It's either neutral or not neutral. I don't see HOW that doesn't make sense.

Secura

07-21-2010, 19:50

Oh no! Pigma basically invited himself into your team.

But it was my personal goal to recruit Pigma... I was always going to pursue such a course, and was ready to tear my hair out until I got the tip-off; are you genuinely saying that Pizza gave me an ability and personal goal to recruit a role that was going to tear our group apart?

Was he ever scanned for neutrality?

I don't think Pigma was scanned by anyone but me, and that was merely to see if a player was Pigma or not... so that'd be a 'no'.

That would explain why there has been no kill on the Star Wolf team so far. Andross knows who you are and is getting free information on the QT, so he intends to kill Star Wolf last. It would also explain how they miraculously hit blue innocent every time (11 night in a row so far) as they could be using your scan results to find who we are.

This is certainly plausible, but I'm pretty hesistant to accept it as a given considering the severe implications.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 19:53

My scanner doesn't give back "neutral or something else, OR town or something else" results. It's either neutral or not neutral. I don't see HOW that doesn't make sense.

Someone read my post too quickly. :laugh4:

I was asking Secura or Beskar if Pigma has been scanned for neutrality. I know all the results of your scans, AA. I'm in your team, remember? :laugh4:

Secura

07-21-2010, 19:55

I was asking Secura or Beskar if Pigma has been scanned for neutrality.

The player who tipped us off was scanned around the 25-26th June and revealed by my investigation to be Pigma... I don't think that player has been scanned since.

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2010, 20:15

Night Phase Eleven

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Lylat.png

Lylat- Radiant Supermassive Star

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Lylat.

The largest star in the galaxy.

The second star in the binary Lylat star system. Source of unimaginable power.

Venom.

A mineral rich world, overflowing with geothermal and geokinetic energy, which had once served as Andross' base of operations.

Now, Andross had found a new base from which to launch his attacks. A place with unlimited power.

Where he would become unstoppable....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Unknown: We've looked everywhere else. Andross must be here.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Leon_64-2.jpg Leon Powalski: The energy given off by that star is interfering with our scanners, but I think I see something up ahead.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* Heh, this new ship can handle it. I spot the little man now.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: *growl* What, more weaklings? Where's Andross himself?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Stick to the pond, Froggy!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Miotas: You've got the wrong guy! I'm not Andross!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Unknown: WHERE IS HE????? SPEAK!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Miotas: I'm pretty sure I've seen him around here someplace... I spotted a base hovering just above the star's corona.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Leon_64-2.jpg Leon Powalski: Why haven't you notified anyone of its location until now?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Miotas: I was just on my way to do that, I swear!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png ???: Not good enough, not good enough. You'll pay for your incompetence!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Miotas: WAIT! THERE HIS IS.... LOOK OU-

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Gorgon-1.jpghttps://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Shogundroid.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_1c_64.jpg Shogun Droid: It's time to try our new weapon.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Unknown: It's an ambush...

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Boss_0b_64.jpg Gorgon: That's right, Captain Obvious!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Unknown: No, Leon! Missiles right behind you, LOOK OUT!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Leon_64-2.jpg Leon Powalski: This can't be happening!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: Looks like you guys could use some help!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/unknown2.png Wolf O'Donnell: We're Star Wolf! We can take care of things by ourselves.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: Doesn't look like it to me, there are more of them on the way! Watch out, Wolf!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-2.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: Shoot! He's right behind me.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/RockCrusher1-1.jpghttps://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1.jpg

Peppy Hare: They're everywhere! What's taking you so long, Wolf???

Wolf O'Donnell: They're all over me, I can't break free.... aim for the yellow triangular power distribution nodes, that should collapse his shield.

Peppy Hare: All right you idiot Rock Crusher, you're about to get a country-fried butt whoopin'!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/RockCrusherMonkey.png Rock Crusher: I will not be defeated by this worm!!!

Peppy Hare: This one is for Fox McCloud.... I've been savin' this one up since Venom. Active Hyper Blasters!!!!

Rock Crusher:No.... get away!

Peppy Hare: This one is for Slippy Toad... and this one is for Falco Lombardi.... and this one is for my friend, James McCloud!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/RockCrusherMonkey.png Rock Crusher:I CAN'T BELIEVE I LOST TO THIS..... SCUM!!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/creations-explosion-troyes-france-6.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: TIME.... TO.... BURN.... BUNNY.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: It's too hot... my ship can't take it....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: BOIL.... THE.... BUNNY!!! FIRE.... BURN!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: Sorry guys, I gotta sit this one out!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: FIRE.... BURN!! FIRE.... BURN!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Peppyhead.gif Peppy Hare: Never give up.... trust your instincts!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-2.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: No way.... I don't believe it!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Guess who?

Wolf O'Donnell: You killed my friend Leon... and destroyed our base at Sargasso. You've taken everything away from me.... now you'll finally pay.

Andross: Those tin cans are no match for me....

*SMASH*

Wolf O'Donnell: Arghhh!!! My plasma cannons... they're not functioning.... you ruined my ship!

Andross: NOW YOU WILL FEEL TRUE PAIN!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolf_64-2.jpg Wolf O'Donnell: No.... this is impossible! I AM STAR WOLF!!! I.... CAN'T.... LOSE!!!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/spaceexp.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andross.jpg Andross: Only I have the brains to rule Lylat...

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PHASE COMPLETE

SHIPS DESTROYED: 5

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Miotas- Venomian Fighter

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg

Secura- Leon Powalski

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/RockCrusher1-1.jpg

Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_arwing2.jpg

Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Wolfen.jpg

Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: Don't ever give up, my son. Use your remaining time wisely....

Alive: (12/44)

Autolycus
Chaotix
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
hell_hound
Khazaar
Nightbringer
TheFlax
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan

Dead: (30/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell

Out of this Dimension: (6/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.

Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

Romanic

07-21-2010, 20:18

But it was my personal goal to recruit Pigma... I was always going to pursue such a course, and was ready to tear my hair out until I got the tip-off; are you genuinely saying that Pizza gave me an ability and personal goal to recruit a role that was going to tear our group apart?

Ugh... no I'm not saying that. It's news to me that your PG was to recruit Pigma. Did you mention it before in the game thread? If you did, well... I missed it.

Still I think it's possible. It would be a brilliant twist in the game. Who knows with Pizza.

I don't think Pigma was scanned by anyone but me, and that was merely to see if a player was Pigma or not... so that'd be a 'no'.

If you have any way to scan Pigma, I suggest you do so, especially if you can scan for neutrality. However, I'm not sure how useful a ship scanning ability would be in this case.

Btw, I know that Pigma is the odd day vigilante and that he killed Choxorn (Fox). Besides the suspicions I already stated, I found that Beskar slipped in the game thread yesterday.

Post #1599 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2525108&viewfull=1#post2525108)

still leaves ATPGood, Chaotix, Wideyewander,Miotas, Hell_Hound unaccounted for. I hope Pigma's attack, takes one of them out.Of course he edited his post after Choxorn noticed, but his post contains the unedited version:

Post #1619 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?128601-Star-Fox-Lylat-Wars&p=2525387&viewfull=1#post2525387)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/kagemusha/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Beskar https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/kagemusha/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2525108#post2525108)
I hope Pigma's attack, takes one of them out.
What?
You have to look at everything Pigma said in the QT. Look for hints on how eager/unwilling he was to kill people.

Pinman knew Beskar was Star Wolf, so we can assume they have a scanner, unless Pigma was told Day 4 who Beskar was, in which case, he could have told Pinman. If they do have a scanner, then it's possible that they would have scanned Choxorn and knew him to be Fox. So have a careful look at what happened on Night 9 when Fox was killed by Pigma - Who proposed the kill, how Pigma reacted etc...

Romanic

07-21-2010, 20:28

Alexander the Pretty Good

07-21-2010, 20:30

Ouch.

Beskar

07-21-2010, 20:31

Everything in my previous posts were correct at the time. Any edits were to fix typing errors, etc. Anyway, good luck.

Double A

07-21-2010, 20:34

What the HELL just happened!?

Askthepizzaguy

07-21-2010, 20:39

autolycus

07-21-2010, 20:40

Double A

07-21-2010, 20:43

Whatever, lynch him. He's probably Cornerian, but I don't care anymore. Last night had 5 deaths, that's just insane.

Frozen In Ice

07-21-2010, 20:45

So Shogun Droid, Gorgon, Vulcain, and Andross are still alive, with only 12 people left. It appears Wolf was ???, so hopefully the Star Wolf scanner survived and can tell us about Autolycus.

Basically the only way the town has a chance is if Andross or Vulcain gets lynched today (Shogun Droid and Gorgon seem to work together so taking out one of them won't reduce the kill count). That should reduce the number of kills tomorrow night to 2 which would put us at 9 people total, 3 mafia. If then the other mafia of the Andross + Vulcain pair gets lynched that would give them only one kill from Shogun and Gorgon. That means two days from now that would be 7 people left, 2 mafia. It looks like it's still possible for the town, but we gotta be perfect from now on!

TheFlax

07-21-2010, 20:53

How many are they? :angry: We never heard of Rock Crusher before last night.

I'll echo Romanic's sentiments here. We know of three bad guys and there are only three unscanned people remaining (IIRC), unless autolycus wasn't scanned. Even if he wasn't, things don't fit. Was Skooma Addict scanned?

Perhaps we have been putting too much faith in scans? Not to disparage Beskar, but we should probably look over the thread again and bring up possibly new suspects.

Chaotix tweaked my gut in the last rounds. More on this when I have time to check the thread.

Renata

07-21-2010, 20:56

Due to what seems to be an unintentional rule break, two players are hereby asked to refrain from posting anymore, until the game is over.

Final reminder to everyone: Do not communicate outside of thread. Next time, it could result in a ban from my games. I'm very sorry.

I just want to bend the rules a little more to say one of them was me. I wanted to do more for the game than I have, and now I can't due to my own fault. I'm sorry, townies. Good luck.

(posted with permission)

Romanic

07-21-2010, 21:19

Errrr, okay.... ??? was Wolf, so it destroys my theory about Pigma being the odd day vigilante. :embarassed:

Whatever, lynch him. He's probably Cornerian, but I don't care anymore. Last night had 5 deaths, that's just insane.

No, AA, just no!!!

Listen to James McCloud: "Don't ever give up" :charge:

Last night we lost four, but we DOUBLED our Androssian kills in a night! We're gonna get them, don't despair.

I'll echo Romanic's sentiments here. We know of three bad guys and there are only three unscanned people remaining (IIRC), unless autolycus wasn't scanned. Even if he wasn't, things don't fit. Was Skooma Addict scanned?

Skooma was listed a neutral by Beskar in his recent posts, but I'm not sure when he was scanned. Maybe a look back at the thread will reveal more details.

Last time I checked, there was 4 unscanned players left: autolycus, Chaotix, hell_hound and wideyedwanderer.

Perhaps we have been putting too much faith in scans? Not to disparage Beskar, but we should probably look over the thread again and bring up possibly new suspects.

We definitely need to do that. Neutral players who have been scanned early are more likely to have been converted, so knowing when someone was scanned plays should play a big part in who we should focus on. Obviously the 3 remaining Star Wolf have better insights than everyone else.

Nightbringer

07-21-2010, 22:12

Well, I'm glad that we can all stop trying to kill star wolf. btw, i meant vengeance for letting fox die, not actually killing fox.
Anyway, I think we have a couple of options left. 1 is to continue going through the list of unscanneds. autolycus looks very fishy to me, his role claim pm is very flawed and inconsistent with the general format. He needs to either admit to the editing he has done or be lynched. or did we get a good scan result on him?
the other option is to go back and look at people we have scan results on already. The problem is this is a much larger list and surely at least one androssian is on the unscanned list. My bet is still no autolycus being scum due to his fake looking role pm.

Skooma Addict

07-21-2010, 22:31

Errrr, okay.... ??? was Wolf, so it destroys my theory about Pigma being the odd day vigilante. :embarassed:

No, AA, just no!!!

Listen to James McCloud: "Don't ever give up" :charge:

Last night we lost four, but we DOUBLED our Androssian kills in a night! We're gonna get them, don't despair.

Skooma was listed a neutral by Beskar in his recent posts, but I'm not sure when he was scanned. Maybe a look back at the thread will reveal more details.

Last time I checked, there was 4 unscanned players left: autolycus, Chaotix, hell_hound and wideyedwanderer.

We definitely need to do that. Neutral players who have been scanned early are more likely to have been converted, so knowing when someone was scanned plays should play a big part in who we should focus on. Obviously the 3 remaining Star Wolf have better insights than everyone else.

I wouldn't be so sure my feathered friend. It took you this long to accidentally stumble into killing me, much like my brother, the mighty pinman, by sheer luck. You incompetent cornerians couldn't even get Star Wolf right, WE had to do it for you. Pathetic. Think it's a coincidence ??? killed Fox? Foolish fools! You should know better then oppose Lord Andross. Falco, if you beg me nice enough, I may ask my Lord to make you a deal. Our Lord is a merciful one. Hopefully you won't outlive your usefulness like the last one.

Pinman

07-21-2010, 22:56

Surprised Guys?

Cultured Drizzt fan

07-21-2010, 23:00

Vote: Chaotix

Chaotix or WEW need to go right now. :no:

Double A

07-22-2010, 00:09

Errrr, okay.... ??? was Wolf, so it destroys my theory about Pigma being the odd day vigilante. :embarassed:

No, AA, just no!!!

Listen to James McCloud: "Don't ever give up" :charge:

Last night we lost four, but we DOUBLED our Androssian kills in a night! We're gonna get them, don't despair.

Skooma was listed a neutral by Beskar in his recent posts, but I'm not sure when he was scanned. Maybe a look back at the thread will reveal more details.

Last time I checked, there was 4 unscanned players left: autolycus, Chaotix, hell_hound and wideyedwanderer.

We definitely need to do that. Neutral players who have been scanned early are more likely to have been converted, so knowing when someone was scanned plays should play a big part in who we should focus on. Obviously the 3 remaining Star Wolf have better insights than everyone else.

Dude, we doubled our kills to TWO. That's like saying at least we came in second in the drag race.

I'm just pissed because I STILL don't know wtf happened.

Choxorn

07-22-2010, 00:12

Secura

07-22-2010, 00:31

Nightbringer

07-22-2010, 02:45

I knew that was coming straight away, it was so transparantly obvious; perhaps now the peanut gallery will finally buck up and understand what Beskar and I have been saying all along... we're on your side.

Beskar is prohibited from posting, but he asked me to pass on a message; Andross is in the list of unscanned roles, so go back and look over them all, and go through them. Search their posts, find the inconsistencies and then lynch those lurking ********.

It may well seem like an impossible mission, what with Star Fox all dead and Star Wolf without their two leaders, but the game is still very much in your hands guys... you can still win.

autocylus is still very scummy in my opinion, and with no one giving evidence of his authenticity he is my top candidate.
vote: autocylus
WEW sounds like a decent choice as well though, and my vote will of course switch if i hear a scan report on autocylus confirming his identity

Choxorn

07-22-2010, 03:46

There's still the possibility that Auto is Pepper. Secura, was Beskar actually the scanner or not? If no, did the actual scanner scan Autolycus and find him to not be Pepper?

wideyedwanderer

07-22-2010, 04:12

Ok, so we seem to have at least 4 androssians left (Shogun Droid, Vulcain, Gorgon, and Andross himself). Based on Beskar's results, this seems to provide proof that one or more of them are converts from being Venomian. This helps to corroborate my ability, because it's a clear indication of a converter. Our top priority clearly needs to be tracking down Andross, however. I am fairly convinced at this point that Andross is none other than WideyedWanderer. He hasn't been scanned by Beskar, and was scanned on night 2 by Double A as non-neutral. It's possible he's a vanilla Cornerian, but I don't think it's likely. Then you're going to feel very wrong after I die.
Vote: WideyedWanderer

It'd be one thing if you said something like, "I think wideyedwanderer could be andross." But you said, "I'm fairly convinced he's andross." Sounds to me like you're trying a little too hard to blame someone, especially since you don't have any argument against me except for saying I was scanned by Double A. If you were really "fairly convinced" I'm andross, you'd have more proof. Not to mention, you role revealed quickly after people first started getting suspicious of you. Feeling the heat? (Yet, the mafia still chose not to kill him last night? Hm...) Vote: Autolycus. I don't even care if I die. The town is lost.

wideyedwanderer

07-22-2010, 04:17

Blah, what a night. We lost Peppy, Wolf and Leon. I guess that clarifies our questions about Star Wolf being on our side.

At least Peppy got Skooma (Rock Crusher), if that's any consolation.

How many are they? :angry: We never heard of Rock Crusher before last night.

Let me get this straight. Wolf killed Fox, the most important townie in the game, and we're supposed to be sad that Wolf is dead?

Vote: Chaotix

Chaotix or WEW need to go right now. :no:

Yeah! Kill wideyedwanderer! We need to kill more Cornerians because the mafia just aren't doing it fast enough!

EDIT: My original sentence didn't make sense, I added "...that wolf is dead?" to make it clear what I was saying.

Choxorn

07-22-2010, 04:47

Let me get this straight. Wolf killed Fox, the most important townie in the game, and we're supposed to be sad that Wolf is dead?

Yes. I'm pissed at him for killing me too, but he was still helping us kill Andross, at least at the end.

Great job, Star Wolf team, now can you gaiz actually start killing Androssians? ~:p

Chaotix

07-22-2010, 05:11

Well this rather crushes my theory on Star Wolf and now I feel like an arse.

Still, Wolf was revealed as the ??? killer, which means he DID kill Fox and a whole bunch of townies. I'd say in the end, he did more damage then help with all that unnecessary vig-killing.

OH, and that also means he killed my original role. Yeah, I'm not sorry he died.

Vote: wideyedwanderer

Best case we got at the moment.

naut

07-22-2010, 06:43

Skooma, you know that we'd suspected you for several rounds, and were going to get around to killing you eventually, right? :P

Anyway, it's clear that at least one scanned Venomian isn't actually Venomian. My top suspects for that are TheFlax, Khazaar, and Yaseikhaan. But for now, go lynch wideyed, the scummy *bleep* he is.
Khaan is Cornerian.

WEW is innocent:

Day three tally

shlin28- (12) Renata, Secura, autolycus, Double A, Nightbringer, landlubber [did not unvote], Beskar, DIY, Seon, Joooray, Diana Abnoba, hello_hound

WEW- (10) JHT, Chaotix, Pinman, miotas, Romanic, Nightbringer, Skooma Addict, Yaseikhaan, Alexander the Pretty Good, Beefy187
Krill- (2) TheTheFlax, Yaropolk
Rob_the_Celt- (1) God Emperor
JHT- (1) WEW
God Emperor (1) Khazaar
YLC (1) shlin28

abstain- (1) Krill

Did Not Vote: (9) Frozen in Ice, merciary, Nictel, Rob_the_Celt, splitpersonality, Stuck in Pi, White_Eyes:D, Winston Hughes, YLC

He was voted by both confirmed Mafioso. And 2 suspects. Chaotix and Nightbringer.

Autolycus was voted by Pinman day 1 (2?), unlikely Mafia. Lying yes. Mafia no.

naut

07-22-2010, 07:03

Those who did NOT vote Beefy this day, kindly explain your position? I see this almost the opposite of Beskar. It's much easier for the mafia to "get it right" in a situation like that than it is for a townie to do so.

Edit: Excluding WEW whom I think is town, that would be Diana, Chaotix, Psychonaut, Khazaar, Autolycus, Nightbringer (or maybe CDF).
I know you can't respond, but my position here was voting for Skooma. THE MAFIA!

Thanks for your thoughts on the voting patterns. It's clarified for me who the mafia is. WEW is not, he was quick to jump on the Pinman vote, before it turned into a wagon. Chaotix has constantly been voting innocents, and obvious innocents at that.

Vote: Chaotix

EVERY REMAINING CORNERIAN/VENOMIAN/STAR WOLF MEMBER VOTE CHAOTIX.

Second. Autolycus's claim could mean he's forged a cover PM, maybe not. It shouldn't be ignored. Nightbringer's posts are scummy as all that is holy, and thus I'm willing to paper over this for now.

Thirdly Diana Abnoba is also Andross. Boom. Done and dusted.

Secura

07-22-2010, 07:26

Secura, was Beskar actually the scanner or not?

Beskar's claim to be a scanner were absolutely true; he was permitted to scan or vig-kill each night, as you may have guessed... the 1-2-1-2-1 systematic killing just happened randomly and I guess he decided to continue with it.

I didn't always trust in his judgement (I suggested a scan of Joooray rather than vig, for example), but at the end of the day, we had personal goals to pursue as well as a town victory and I fully understand why Beskar did what he did, especially as his own personal goal was the hardest of the Star Wolf members.

Choxorn

07-22-2010, 07:55

especially as his own personal goal was the hardest of the Star Wolf members.

Killing me? :p

Secura

07-22-2010, 08:21

Killing me? :p

:laugh4:

Death is yonder

07-22-2010, 08:52

I wouldn't be so sure my feathered friend. It took you this long to accidentally stumble into killing me, much like my brother, the mighty pinman, by sheer luck. You incompetent cornerians couldn't even get Star Wolf right, WE had to do it for you. Pathetic. Think it's a coincidence ??? killed Fox? Foolish fools! You should know better then oppose Lord Andross. Falco, if you beg me nice enough, I may ask my Lord to make you a deal. Our Lord is a merciful one. Hopefully you won't outlive your usefulness like the last one.

Drone drone drone :laugh4:

We had you pegged many rounds ago already.

Surprised Guys?

Not really, after the shogun and gorgon droids appeared I suspected Androssian team was likely making play for the end game, it just wasn't substantial enough to propose it though.

I knew that was coming straight away, it was so transparantly obvious; perhaps now the peanut gallery will finally buck up and understand what Beskar and I have been saying all along... we're on your side.

Beskar is prohibited from posting, but he asked me to pass on a message; Andross is in the list of unscanned roles, so go back and look over them all, and go through them. Search their posts, find the inconsistencies and then lynch those lurking ********.

It may well seem like an impossible mission, what with Star Fox all dead and Star Wolf without their two leaders, but the game is still very much in your hands guys... you can still win.

Yes indeed, remember, I was never advocating lynching Beskar :tongue:

One good thing that came out of all of that, was that now we have more in thread opinions to analyze. Androssian team would have likely realized that supporting Beskar in thread (IE: Skooma) would help gain them some credibility and maybe even a potential reprieve, or the reverse may be true. Anyway, the previous days after I started posting more substantially should be closely looked at as well.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anyway, I died doing good, that's good enough for me.

Go forth and bring the towns to victory then, Star Wolf team, the previous round was not a failure. Now nobody has reason to distrust you, you guys are verified neutrals. And we got Skooma out of all it too.

After the game I suppose I really want to know Beskar's motives for doing several things, which you can find reading our QT post-game.

That is all.

:bow:

naut

07-22-2010, 08:58

Autolycus:
Role claimed. Voted by Mafia couple times. Non-gut-tweak posts.

Chaotix
Constantly voted obvious innocents. Not town.

civplayah
???

Cultured Drizzt Fan
Non-gut-tweak posts.

Diana Abnoba
Gut-tweak posts.

hell_hound
Constantly voted by Mafia.

Khazaar
Constantly voted by Mafia.

Nightbringer
Very scummy posting style.

TheFlax
???

Psychonaut
Scanned Town.

wideyedwanderer
Constantly voted by Mafia.

Yaseikhaan
Scanned Town.

Diana Abnoba

07-22-2010, 10:04

Vote: Chaotix

Nightbringer

07-22-2010, 10:21

I know you can't respond, but my position here was voting for Skooma. THE MAFIA!

Thanks for your thoughts on the voting patterns. It's clarified for me who the mafia is. WEW is not, he was quick to jump on the Pinman vote, before it turned into a wagon. Chaotix has constantly been voting innocents, and obvious innocents at that.

Vote: Chaotix

EVERY REMAINING CORNERIAN/VENOMIAN/STAR WOLF MEMBER VOTE CHAOTIX.

Second. Autolycus's claim could mean he's forged a cover PM, maybe not. It shouldn't be ignored. Nightbringer's posts are scummy as all that is holy, and thus I'm willing to paper over this for now.

Thirdly Diana Abnoba is also Andross. Boom. Done and dusted.

So we're back to calling me scummy? i was just confirmed as neutral like 2 rounds ago.
Anyway, my whole case is we can't ignore autolycus. Ever since the heat got off him he has gone quiet again. He ran in to post a faked role pm when targeted then drops off the board once the heat is off, stinks of scum to me. We should also note that only after almost getting everyone to lynch autolycus is the night Beskar finally gets killed. Maybe he got killed because he was on the right trail and the mafia is just hoping everyone will give up on it with star wolf gone. In any case, i think papering over the matter is the last thing we want.

Nightbringer

07-22-2010, 10:26

Nightbringer
Very scummy posting style.

And scanned venomian.
In any case, I guess I just have a scummy posting style, I don't know what it is, its probably because I'm new. But I'm venomian, secura can confirm that based on star wolfs scan result.

The mafia votes on autolycus does make the case against him weaker, but weren't those in the early game, when there was no real threat of him actually going. Maybe they were just trying to make him look innocent? idk

Romanic

07-22-2010, 11:17

Autolycus' claim has to be legit.

1) We know that General Pepper should be in the game.

2) We know, from Skooma, that neutrals can be converted (Skooma was previously scanned neutral, but he turned out to be Rock Crusher). Therefore neutrals can be converted. Therefore autolycus' claim that he's protecting Cornerians from being converted makes a lot of sense.

You cannot risk killing someone who might be protecting the remaining Cornerians from being converted. What a mess it will be if you do!! Cornerians are confirmed townies, but it will change if we lose Pepper.

****

Our best bet for now is to lynch Chaotix. He was marked as a lynch target last turn by Beskar, and he claimed Venomian.

Romanic

07-22-2010, 11:37

Here's a list of the remaining players, with the scan status from Beskar's posts from yesterday:

Autolycus - ?Claimed General Pepper? - Unscanned
Chaotix - ?Claimed Venomian? - Unscanned
civplayah - Scanned Venomian
CDF - Scanned Venomian
Diana - Scanned Venomian
hell_hound - WOG bait, has not voted for 2 days - Unscanned
Khazaar - Scanned Venomian - [scanned neutral by AA on Night 7]
Nightbringer - Scanned Venomian - Claimed Venomian
Psychonaut - Scanned Cornerian
TheFlax - Scanned Venomian
Wideyedwanderer - ?Claimed Cornerian? - Unscanned - - [scanned not neutral by AA on Night 2]
Yaseikhaan - Scanned Cornerian - [scanned not neutral by AA on Night 5]

*****

So 4 unscanned players left. Lynching Chaotix is consistent with what Beskar asked us to do (lynch unscanned players).

Other unscanned are: Autolycus (good roleclaim), hell_hound (WOG bait) and wew (claimned Cornerian).

Chaotix is definitely our best lynch if we want to stick to unscanned players.

autolycus

07-22-2010, 11:58

Psychonaut's analysis seems right to me. Unvote, vote: Chaotix

naut

07-22-2010, 12:04

So we're back to calling me scummy? i was just confirmed as neutral like 2 rounds ago.
Anyway, my whole case is we can't ignore autolycus. Ever since the heat got off him he has gone quiet again. He ran in to post a faked role pm when targeted then drops off the board once the heat is off, stinks of scum to me. We should also note that only after almost getting everyone to lynch autolycus is the night Beskar finally gets killed. Maybe he got killed because he was on the right trail and the mafia is just hoping everyone will give up on it with star wolf gone. In any case, i think papering over the matter is the last thing we want.

And scanned venomian.
In any case, I guess I just have a scummy posting style, I don't know what it is, its probably because I'm new. But I'm venomian, secura can confirm that based on star wolfs scan result.

The mafia votes on autolycus does make the case against him weaker, but weren't those in the early game, when there was no real threat of him actually going. Maybe they were just trying to make him look innocent? idk
:laugh4:

Crazy logic aside Nightbringer. You're just making yourself look scummier. So switch your vote to Chaotix, the Mafia.

Romanic

07-22-2010, 12:11

@Psychonaut

Pinman's votes: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar.

Skooma's votes: Double A, dead player*, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, miotas.
(* civplayah, but his first role, not the current one. He's currently replacing winston)

How can you say that hell_hound and Khazaar are constantly voted by the mafia? I can't find a single vote for them by the 2 confirmed Androssians.

Nightbringer

07-22-2010, 12:15

[QUOTE=Psychonaut;2526047]:laugh4:
Oh, I missed the whole skooma scanned as neutral so we know people can be converted thing. That makes what people are saying make a lot more sense.
I hate the idea of voting for someone when some1 explicatively says "switch your vote to Chaotix," but its clear to me that autocylus is a bad choice at this point
unvote
I'm still not convinced about Chaotix though. There doesn't seem to be much of a case against him so far and WEW has been called up as possible scum for a long time now without being scanned, its a tough pick

naut

07-22-2010, 16:17

autocylus is still very scummy in my opinion, and with no one giving evidence of his authenticity he is my top candidate.
vote: autocylus
WEW sounds like a decent choice as well though, and my vote will of course switch if i hear a scan report on autocylus confirming his identity

but its clear to me that autocylus is a bad choice at this point

LOL. In the course of a few hours you go 180 degrees on auto. You're the other mafia. ~:wave:

naut

07-22-2010, 16:41

@Psychonaut
How can you say that hell_hound and Khazaar are constantly voted by the mafia? I can't find a single vote for them by the 2 confirmed Androssians.
I'm writing this on the fly, so my trains of thought are almost certainly getting muddled. I appreciate the double-checking and input though, helps with this hunt.

Pinman's votes: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar.

Skooma's votes: Double A, dead player*, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, miotas.
(* civplayah, but his first role, not the current one. He's currently replacing winston)

How can you say that hell_hound and Khazaar are constantly voted by the mafia? I can't find a single vote for them by the 2 confirmed Androssians.

Unlikely WEW is Mafia. Likely Auto is not either. So, Nightbringer's two targets for lynch today are likely innocents. Hmmm.

wideyedwanderer

07-22-2010, 18:21

Very well then. I stand corrected. Unvote, Vote: Chaotix.

wideyedwanderer

07-22-2010, 18:30

autolycus

07-22-2010, 19:20

I think Psychonaut was saying that Diana is part of Team Andross at this point. She was scanned venomian at some point, so she didn't start out that way. We think Chaotix is Andross himself.
I'm mildly entertained that I seem to have wound up really playing my role. Well-intentioned, but not really getting much done without extensive help from people outside the system. Although this time it seems to be Star Wolf more than Star Fox.

Romanic

07-22-2010, 19:36

If she's Andross, why are we voting for Chaotix? I was thinking she was part of Star Wolf. Can any members of Star Wolf verify this?

First, dead Star Wolf members cannot answer this without breaking the rules. Second, a living Star Wolf member will be immediately targeted by Andross if they reveal in the game thread.

I'm sure Star Wolf members know better, but just in case: Don't answer this question :smile:

Which side are you Wideyed?

At this point we don't want to force a role reveal from any Star Wolf player. Haven't you seen three pro-town power roles die last night?

Choxorn

07-22-2010, 22:24

Also, it wouldn't prove anything even if some guy said "Hai everyone, I'm Star Wolf, and Diana is Star Wolf", because there would be no way to prove that he wasn't lying- There's more Androssians than Star Wolf Members right now, sadly.

But for now, lynch either Chaotix or WEW, please. Leave hell hound alone, he's just going to get WoG'ed anyway. Some others like Diana are certainly suspicious, but they can wait. The others we can deal with later. Star Wolf, I hope you guys have some kind of abilities left that can be used to fight the Androssians, or we're screwed.

Nightbringer

07-22-2010, 22:57

LOL. In the course of a few hours you go 180 degrees on auto. You're the other mafia. ~:wave:
You did a lot of work to convince me of autolycus and as soon as you convince me you call that proof that i'm scum? I even specifically said in the first post you quoted that if i heard about the scan i would switch, so i heard about the scan, then i switched.

Whatever, you'll probably call this further proof but everyone seems quite sure of chaotix so ill go with that.

I was just trying to ask what the case against chaotix is...

Nightbringer

07-22-2010, 23:02

double post to keep vote on chaotix valid
vote: chaotix

Secura

07-22-2010, 23:22

Star Wolf, I hope you guys have some kind of abilities left that can be used to fight the Androssians, or we're screwed.

We have a few tricks up our sleeves yet... :P

seireikhaan

07-23-2010, 00:05

Vote: Chaotix

TheFlax

07-23-2010, 00:23

I should have done this in my post earlier.

Vote: Chaotix

wideyedwanderer

07-23-2010, 00:58

First, dead Star Wolf members cannot answer this without breaking the rules. Second, a living Star Wolf member will be immediately targeted by Andross if they reveal in the game thread.

I'm sure Star Wolf members know better, but just in case: Don't answer this question :smile:

Which side are you Wideyed?

At this point we don't want to force a role reveal from any Star Wolf player. Haven't you seen three pro-town power roles die last night?

Why can't Secura answer the question? She's already dead and hasn't been barred from posting. If she says Diana isn't one of theirs, then boom, we lynch her.

Chaotix

07-23-2010, 01:37

wideyed was confirmed innocent? Well, I need to pay more attention to the aspects of this game that are not Star Wolf.

Unvote, Vote: autolycus

Believing that claim less and less now.

Also, lynch me if you want, but you basically ensure the doom of the town by doing so. However scummy you may find my posting style to be (which is more or less the same as it is usually), the fact remains I'm just vanilla Venomian. I stand by my previous votes so far, except those that I've changed due to not being informed (my own fault).

pevergreen

07-23-2010, 02:43

Why can't Secura answer the question? She's already dead and hasn't been barred from posting. If she says Diana isn't one of theirs, then boom, we lynch her.

Because if shes dead, she shouldn't be revealing stuff like that.

Have you people no ethics?

wideyedwanderer

07-23-2010, 03:22

Because if shes dead, she shouldn't be revealing stuff like that.

Have you people no ethics?

My mistake.

Double A

07-23-2010, 03:57

Because if shes dead, she shouldn't be revealing stuff like that.

Have you people no ethics?

Whatics?

Alexander the Pretty Good

07-23-2010, 05:45

Whatics?

E-thics. It's like email.

Double A

07-23-2010, 05:57

Oh.

Pizza, is it ok if I send you my zombie orders by ethics?

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2010, 06:56

Chaotix: (8) CDF, Psychonaut, Diana Abnoba, Auto, WEW, Nightbringer, Yaseikhaan, TheFlax
Autolycus: (1) Chaotix

No vote: civplayah, Khazaar, hell_hound

WOG if no vote: Hell_hound

10 hours remain in the round.

Diana Abnoba

07-23-2010, 11:23

I believe that WEW is NOT a confirmed innocent, I don't believe Beskar ever investigated him (as he has said in thread many times) only Double A scanned him as not neutral IIRC.

civplayah

07-23-2010, 16:18

Oh, just realized I didn't vote. (thanks landlubber for reminding me!)

vote: Chaotix

Askthepizzaguy

07-23-2010, 17:03

Day Phase Twelve

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64-1.jpg General Pepper: Star Wolf..... under the circumstances, I must ask for your help. There will be a huge reward waiting for you if you can take down the Androssian Army.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-1.jpg Panther Caroso: I knew you'd recognize our abilities sooner or later. It will be my pleasure to serve you.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-1.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* hehehe.... we're gettin' paid a lotta cash for this!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-1.jpg Andrew Oikonny: I'm not afraid of Andross!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-1.jpg Panther Caroso: By the way, General: We're known as Star Panther now. *growl*

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Lylat.png

Stage Twelve: Lylat

Good Luck!

This video relates somewhat to today's writeup.

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The severely depleted Cornerian Army approached the massive star, Lylat. The fleet was lead by none other than General Pepper, flanked by the mercenary group known as Star Panther.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: It's almost over. We're in your debt. Come home in one piece, men. That's an order.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: I spot a squadron of enemies, heading 357 mark 24.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Those ugly lookin' mooks? They don't stand a chance, not against our new ships!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Bow before the great Andrew!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: All Cornerian and Venomian craft, report in.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png hell_hound: Gray 30, standing by.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Cornerian fighter: Blue 26, standing by.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/worm_hole.png

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Subspace anomaly detected, missiles approaching.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Head further into the stellar atmosphere.... the radiation might be enough to disrupt their guidance systems.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* What the heck is that thing?

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: It reads as a life form. Don't know how it could survive in this place.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: It's working. The missiles have drifted off-course.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Blue unit, Grey unit, provide cover! Don't let anything through!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Teddy_bear_64.jpg Blue and Grey units: Understood!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-2.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: The Bloodhound will provide cover fire. This one's all yours, boys.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: OOOHHHH..... SHINY SHIPS.....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* Might be an arm. Aim for the arm.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Killing you will be an act of mercy!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: CRUSH.... SHINY.... SHIP....

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Caiman-1.png Hell_hound: ARRRGGGHHHH!!! I've been knocked into the wormhole, and tossed OUT OF THIS DIMENSION for inactivity!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: Shoot the eyes.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: HERE..... KITTY, KITTY, KITTY..... COME.... AND.... PLAY......

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: At last.... worthy prey. Now you'll see that this.... "kitty".... has claws.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: OWWWW..... THAT TICKLES.... I WANT.... PET..... KITTY......

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: *oink* Panther, make him scream real good before he dies!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: It's been a pleasure. Sorry to shoot and run, but we've got bigger fish to fry.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-1.jpg Vulcain: NOOO!!!! KITTY!!!! COME BACK AND PLAY..... KITTY!!!!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/creations-explosion-troyes-france-6.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/General_Pepper_in_64.jpg General Pepper: Good job; keep up the pace. The fleet is heading towards the new Androssian Base, located near the star's north magnetic pole.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Pigma_64-2.jpg Pigma Dengar: Money money money, here I come!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Andrew_64-2.jpg Andrew Oikonny: Star Panther's enemy is my enemy!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Normal_panthercommand-2.jpg Panther Caroso: My rose will be the last thing that Andross sees...... and no one will ever forget the name of Star Panther.

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Enemies destroyed: 1

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Vulcain-1-2.jpg

Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain

Hell_hound has been WOG'ed for inactivity.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/england/STAR%20FOX/Jameshead.jpg James McCloud: You've become so strong... never give up.

Tally:

Chaotix: (9) CDF, Psychonaut, Diana Abnoba, Auto, WEW, Nightbringer, Yaseikhaan, TheFlax, civplayah
Autolycus: (1) Chaotix

No vote: (2) hell_hound, Khazaar

Alive: (10/44)

Autolycus
civplayah
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Diana Abnoba
Khazaar
Nightbringer
TheFlax
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer
Yaseikhaan

Dead: (31/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain

Out of this Dimension: (7/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.

Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.

Night ends in 24 hours if I have all orders. Make your final decisions and send them to me as soon as possible. Round ends on 1159, July 24th, (GMT-5) Eastern time USA.

Secura

07-23-2010, 17:07

Hahahahaha, the great irony in this is that I have been suggesting Chaotix's death-by-vig for weeks on end; you can't be that anti-anything and draw no attention.

I'm glad to see that the rest of the team have proven their honour to the remaining town... don't approve of the name change though. :P

autolycus

07-23-2010, 18:56

Ok, so the critical question to my mind is would Andross himself be able to pass as Venomian to Beskar's scans. If not, WEW is the clear choice for tomorrow, and the previous votes by scum were either meant as red herrings or were placed before they got converted. If he can pass, then WEW is one of the few we can be sure is innocent, because WEW came up as non-neutral. I'd love it if someone could look at when during voting phases votes by now-confirmed Androssians were placed on WEW.

naut

07-23-2010, 19:08

Holy smokes. Let me say. I was not as confident as I appeared there. Call that a poker face.

Ok, so the critical question to my mind is would Andross himself be able to pass as Venomian to Beskar's scans. If not, WEW is the clear choice for tomorrow, and the previous votes by scum were either meant as red herrings or were placed before they got converted. If he can pass, then WEW is one of the few we can be sure is innocent, because WEW came up as non-neutral. I'd love it if someone could look at when during voting phases votes by now-confirmed Androssians were placed on WEW.
If you are who you say you are then Nightbringer is a good option. He's been posting scummy and was reluctant to vote Chaotix. A vote analysis would be useful to get a better prespective. Especially of the three confirmed Mafia.

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Chaotix (replacing merciary (spell?)): Abstain, civplayah (middle), hellhound (only), Khazaar (third), WEW (third), Beskar (First, interestingly WEW votes for Beskar here. Unlikely that a Mafia would follow his buddy so blatantly), Autolycus (only)

'khaan:

Psychonaut:

Auto: remake20 (second), Nictel (only), shlin28 (third), Pinman (middle), hell_hound (only), Khazaar (only),
Frozen (third), ATPGood (third), Chaotix (middle)

ALSO: Voted by Pinman once

CDF: No Lynch, civplayah (third), shlin (middle), Stuck in Pi (Didn't vote for Pinman), Beefy (middle)
landlubber (second), Nictel (middle), WEW (only), Chaotix (first -> I'd say that is a fairly conclusive claim for innocence)

Khazaar: remake (first), Beefy (second), GE (only), ArpeggiateTHIS (only), Double A (only), Diana (only), ATPGood (end)

Voted by Diana, both can't be Mafia. Voted by Auto, both can't be Mafia. Voted by Chaotix, decent innocence claim.

TheFlax: No Lynch, Renata (last), Krill (first), Pinman (end) Beefy (second), Khazaar (end),
Diana (second), ATPGood (last), Chaotix (end <- first to go after him today though)

Voted Diana, both can't be Mafia.

WEW: civplayah (middle), JHT (only), Pinman (second), Seon (end), Khazaar (third), landlubber (first), abstain, Beskar (second),
Chaotix (middle)

Voted by Nightbringer, both can't be Mafia. VOTED BY ALL THREE MAFIA IN SAME ROUND. Voted Khazaar, both can't be Mafia.

Diana Abnoba: pever (first), WE (first), Shlin (end), abstain (didn't vote Pinman), Seon (middle),
Khazaar (second), Frozen (second), Nictel (third), hell_hound (only), Chaotix (third)

Interestingly she is too eager to seen as following the "strong-voice" of the town.

Nightbringer: Frozen (only), WEW (third), WEW (middle), WEW (only), Krill (first), Abstain, Khazaar (last), WEW (first), ATPGood (second), Chaotix (middle)

Consistent, but confusing as all hell. Why the focus on WEW???

civplayah (replaceing Winston): JHT (first), civplayah (first), Beefy (last), Khazaar (middle), Abstain, ATPGood (middle), Chaotix (last)

Star Wolf/Panther if you can Vig please hit one of the ones in black above. Logically, from vote analysis they are most likely to be the remaining Andross. Kthxbai.