The Senate [Concluded]

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The Senate


I got the idea for this game actually from Europa Universalis: Rome.

The basic idea is to make sure your faction wins. There are 5 factions: Military, Civic, Mercantile, Religious, Populist. When signing up players must choose one of the factions and by adding 1 senator into your faction while reducing another factions senator.

Example:

+1 Military
-1 Populist

Military: 21
Civic: 20
Religious: 20
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 19Yes, I know that there have been games like these before. However, there are other features in this game that will be revealed during the game.

I can tell you that players popularity is just as important as the number of senators in the players faction.

I will reveal more about the game when each faction have at least one player.
I wish to start this on Monday if there is enough interest.




The Rules

1. There are turns that last 24 hours.
2. Player can vote once per hour.
3. Each turn Consul must be elected. To do it player must post Vote: Name.
4. Consuls powers:
1) Can once a day* give +2 to his faction while reducing the power of another faction by -2.
2) Can once a day* declare someones vote invalid.
3) Being a Consul will give some personal popularity.
5. Personal popularity shows how popular you are among the citizens. Higher popularity will give more power for that player.
6. Each faction will give certain bonuses to the players.
7. It is possible to kill other players. So, don't be surprised if you get PM stating that you are dead.
8. Killed players can join the game again 1 turn after they died.
9. It is possible for new people to join the game all the time but they can start voting only after I have accepted them.
10. There is more but that will be revealed during the game.
11. PM's from me can not be posted in the thread.

* - This should be read "once a turn". Consul can use that power once per his term and that is 1 turn.

Players:
ATPG - Mercantile
slashandburn - Mercantile
Double A - Military
Secura - Military
Diamondeye - Populist
Romanic - Populist
God Emperor - Religious
robbiecon - Civic
Yoyoma1910 - Civic
Subotan - ?

[Double A]

Start revealing, bub :beatnik:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Well, we really need some more people showing interest.

[Double A]

Ibn, it's not your fault that this subforum is GAY.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Beside the usual voting for your faction in order to gain control over Senate there is also personal popularity feature in this game. The more you help your faction the more you gain popularity. Higher popularity gives more options for players. What exactly you can do I will leave as a secret.

So, you have the main goal to help your faction gain power but also personal goals you must achieve. The winner of this game is the player who manage to fulfill all his goals fastest.

[Diamondeye]

Sounds pretty interesting, consider me in.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

That means we need 3 more players to start the game. Though, 10-15 players(that is 2-3 per faction) would be much more interesting. ~:)

[Double A]

GAY isn't for sign-ups, it's to see if anyone is interested :tongue:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

In that case I shall ask the thread to be moved into the Gameroom.

[God Emperor]

I would like to try it as well..

[Romanic]

Not sure that I get the concept. It seems that the obvious strategy would be to give +1 to your team every time (and you get more popularity from it, whatever that does),

But, okay I'll try.

[Askthepizzaguy]

+1 Mercantile
-1 Civic

Military: 20
Civic: 19
Religious: 20
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 20


FOR THE MERCANTILE FACTION!

MORE TRADE ROUTES, LESS TAXES, AND FEWER ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS!!!

The poor already have government grain, and can bathe in the river, and sleep in a big pile for warmth. All they ever do is browse and steal, they never buy anything.

Lousy Civic faction is always trying to take my money and build things for them. Bleeding heart tax-and-spend-o-crats.

[Romanic]

Or +1 Populist for more.... babies. :smug2:

So are you in, ATPG?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or +1 Populist for more.... babies. :smug2:

So are you in, ATPG?

POPULISTS?

*shudder*

Those political extremists will be the death of this Republic. They'll stop at nothing, not even civil war, to get what they want. And what they want changes by the day. A bunch of unwashed hooligans is all they are. Flighty, incompetent peasant folk! They should all be crucified. And they would, if I had my way.

I sell wooden crosses, you know.

[God Emperor]

+1 Mercantile
-1 Civic

Military: 20
Civic: 19
Religious: 20
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 20


FOR THE MERCANTILE FACTION!

MORE TRADE ROUTES, LESS TAXES, AND FEWER ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS!!!

The poor already have government grain, and can bathe in the river, and sleep in a big pile for warmth. All they ever do is browse and steal, they never buy anything.

Lousy Civic faction is always trying to take my money and build things for them. Bleeding heart tax-and-spend-o-crats.

oh damn :( you picked the commercial one? that's a pity, everybody knows the backbone of any power in the world is a booming economy. Guess I must be the crazy religious people then

[Double A]

POPULISTS?

*shudder*

Those political extremists will be the death of this Republic. They'll stop at nothing, not even civil war, to get what they want. And what they want changes by the day. A bunch of unwashed hooligans is all they are. Flighty, incompetent peasant folk! They should all be crucified. And they would, if I had my way.

I sell wooden crosses, you know.

I'll gladly hire me, my army, and our pointy swords out to do away with these uncooth ruffians.

[slashandburn]

You know what they say money makes the world go round.
Mercantile 22
Military 19
Populist 19
Religious 20
Civic 20

[Diamondeye]

POPULISTS?

Panem et Circenses, boys! Preach it!
Military: 19
Civic: 19
Religious: 19 (-1)
Mercantile: 22
Populist: 21 (+1)

[Double A]

You know what they say money makes the world go round.
Mercantile 22
Military 19
Populist 19
Religious 20
Civic 20

If that's true, I'll just help myself to some.

Mercantile 21
Military 20
Populist 19
Religious 19
Civic 21

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Wow.. The game started without me knowing about it.

Anyway, is this correct?

ATPG - Mercantile
Double A - Military
Diamondeye - Populist
slashandburn - Mercantile
God Emperor - Religious
Romanic - PopulistWould like to see someone in the Civic faction as well..

I promised to reveal more if there is enough interest. So, here I go..

The Rules

1. There are turns that last 24 hours.
2. Player can vote once per hour.
3. Each turn Consul must be elected. To do it player must post Vote: Name.
4. Consuls powers:
1) Can once a day give +2 to his faction while reducing the power of another faction by -2.
2) Can once a day declare someones vote invalid.
3) Being a Consul will give some personal popularity.
5. Personal popularity shows how popular you are among the citizens. Higher popularity will give more power for that player.
6. Each faction will give certain bonuses to the players.
7. It is possible to kill other players. So, don't be surprised if you get PM stating that you are dead.
8. Killed players can join the game again 1 turn after they died.
9. It is possible for new people to join the game all the time but they can start voting only after I have accepted them.
10. There is more but that will be revealed during the game.
11. PM's from me can not be posted in the thread.

I'll start the game in the morning and send out PM's(factions bonuses, popularity). If more people want to join then let me know.

[Romanic]

I didn't realize we had to pick a side, but Populist is fine.

Won't factions with more players have an advantage?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

True. But that means factions with less people have to work with someone else if they want to fight against larger faction.

Edit: Also, you should consider that no one is here all the time. People live in different timezones so.. use that advantage. ~;)

[robbiecon]

First of all, someone's been messing with the tally. It's inconsistent from slashandburn on.

But that doesn't actually matter, for now, cos I assume you'll reset it for tomorrow's start, Si?

Anywho I'll be Civic.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4: I'm here all the time! The end is nigh, peasants!

Also, Romanic needs to remove one vote from someone, he only added.


Vote for Consul: God Emperor

I'd settle for nothing less than a Godlike Emperor.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The game have started
Turn 1


Players:
ATPG - Mercantile
slashandburn - Mercantile
Double A - Military
Secura - Military
Diamondeye - Populist
Romanic - Populist
God Emperor - Religious
robbiecon - Civic
Subotan - ?

I consider ATPG's vote valid. If he wants to vote some one else then he should unvote first.

The official Tally:
Military: 20
Civic: 20
Religious: 20
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 20

I will send out PM's to you within the next few hours.
This turn will end ~24 hours from this post.

[Diamondeye]

Military: 20
Civic: 20
Religious: 19 -1
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 21 +1

Counterweighing the vote for GE as Consule. Personally, I think Vote: Robbiecon is fine, for now.

[Secura]

Am I too late to sign up?

I'd go Military with everyone's 'favourite' thread spammer, if not. :3

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Secura - No, you are not too late. ~:) I'll add you to the military faction.

Edit: Diamondeye - This turn there is no Consul. The first Consul will assume his/her position next turn.

[Secura]

Secura - No, you are not too late. ~:) I'll add you to the military faction.

Excellent! I'll wait for the PM before I post further. :bow:

[Subotan]

Me too please!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Me too please!

What faction will you choose?

[Romanic]

Power to the People!

Military: 20
Civic: 19 -1
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 22 +1



And I'll vote for a random guy on turn 1.

Vote: Diamondeye

:smug2:

[Diamondeye]

Romanic seems to have wanted to subtract from Civic, not Religious. No matter, I'll even it out:

Military: 20
Civic: 19
Religious: 18 -1
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 23 +1

The bolded are my changes, already incorporated into the tally.

Also; Bread and circuses every hour, guys.

[Romanic]

(Thanks DE, I fixed my previous post).

Military: 20
Civic: 18 -1
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 24 +1

The world belongs to those who wake up early.

[Diamondeye]

(Thanks DE, I fixed my previous post).

Military: 20
Civic: 18 -1
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 24 +1

The world belongs to those who wake up early.

... And have nothing better to do :laugh4:

Military: 20
Civic: 18
Religious: 17 -1
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 25 +1

[God Emperor]

would someone mind explaining to me what the point of lowering / raising the military/civic/religious etc. It isn't really explained anywhere, so I am really surprised how you guys know what to do :p

Also to the people who will vote for me, I am deeply honoured. Now outrightly saying that I would be a corrupt Consul doesn't sit well with that many people, So I will say this: if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours :bow:

[Diamondeye]

would someone mind explaining to me what the point of lowering / raising the military/civic/religious etc. It isn't really explained anywhere, so I am really surprised how you guys know what to do :p

You need your own faction to be the largest possible, but in order to gain influence for it, you need to remove it from someone else. Tactics as to who to make enemies of may be applied at leisure.

[Romanic]

I don't know what to do, I'm just adding and removing points randomly until we get better explanations.

I think something great happens when a side reaches 0. Let's find out what it is! Would you mind helping Diamondeye by lowering Religious by 1 point?

Edit: Duh another x-post with DE, at the same time.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

That number behind military/civic/etc shows the power of that faction. By lowering other factions power you increase yours.
There were other games like this.. I'll try to search them out for you.

Edit: If factions power reaches 0 then those factions will be removed from the game.

[God Emperor]

No I see it now. I clearly see how you guys decide to all bandwagon my faction by going against religion:O Romanic I am so deeply disappointed. Look how DE is feeding his own populists while taking away their religion.. the foundation of their existence.

Military: 20
Civic: 18
Religious: 18 +1
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 24 - 1

Also Vote: God Emperor

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Found this game: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?105987-Rome-Total-War-Online-Game-4th-edition

[Diamondeye]

No I see it now. I clearly see how you guys decide to all bandwagon my faction by going against religion:O Romanic I am so deeply disappointed. Look how DE is feeding his own populists while taking away their religion.. the foundation of their existence.

Military: 20
Civic: 18
Religious: 18 +1
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 24 - 1

I thought it would be a kind of compromise to lower your faction's power in return for not openly working against your candidacy for the Consulate. but no! Unvote; Vote:Diamondeye. I genuinely believe him to be the best candidate and the candidate who knows best how to accomodate to my needs ("power! Unlimited POWER!")!

Also; Romanic is also a Populist; Why would he not help me? :tongue:

[Romanic]

Look God Emperor, I'm sure this is a misunderstanding. My colleague Diamondeye didn't mean to lower the religion, which is an important part of our society. I blame it on bureaucracy, things get mixed up all the time, you know how it is.

Let all have a beer and discuss this like civilized people.

[God Emperor]

I thought it would be a kind of compromise to lower your faction's power in return for not openly working against your candidacy for the Consulate. but no! Unvote; Vote:Diamondeye. I genuinely believe him to be the best candidate and the candidate who knows best how to accomodate to my needs ("power! Unlimited POWER!")!

Also; Romanic is also a Populist; Why would he not help me? :tongue:

:laugh4: I just saw that after I posted what I did. I don't like being alone in this big game :p

[Diamondeye]

Let all have a beer and discuss this like civilized people.

Actually, I arranged heard that there's free bread and circus today and every day henceforth.


:laugh4: I just saw that after I posted what I did. I don't like being alone in this big game :p

Then it's a good idea to ask forgiveness when you step on the toes of one of the big boys. I've heard. Somewhere. Anyway, don't quote me for it.

[God Emperor]

:laugh4: what you heard was the dreamworks movie - the prince of egypt, with the song, you are playing with the big boys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv3h57S3Rhw

You are asking me to bow down? Should I?, Could I? .. It is obvious that you and Romanic race for the top, trashing every house minor in your way, but we will put up a fight.
I don't know where the military faction stands in this feud, but the The Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantiles (CHOAM(From the Dune universe)), will with a little luck put another vote in my factions favour. Hopefully Robbiecon will see the light as well and support the little man.

[Romanic]

I heard a terrible story. A merchant obtained a monopoly on cows in the north, and he raised the price of milk to 10 times its normal value. The poorest people cannot afford this, therefore cannot feed their children, but the vile merchant doesn't care, he's making profits like never before.

We gotta do something about this crook!

Military: 20
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19 - 1
Populist: 25 + 1

[God Emperor]

you already spent the two points you had this round Romanic :)

or am I wrong? I thought it had a limit

[Romanic]

you already spent the two points you had this round Romanic :)


2. Player can vote once per hour.
No, we can vote every hour.


1) Can once a day give +2 to his faction while reducing the power of another faction by -2.
^ This is a Senator Consul ability, if that's why you think there's a 2 points limit per day.

[robbiecon]

Civic +1
Populist -1

Military: 20
Civic: 19
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 24


Vote : God Emperor for Consul. We smaller factions have to watch each others backs.

[God Emperor]

Well yes that was indeed where I had that 2 from :P I wasn't aware that lowering / raising was = voting.
thanks for the reply Romanic :) here is my answer

Military: 20
Civic: 19
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 23 - 1

don't touch the dear merchants :P

[Romanic]

I see how it is. Nobody cares about our citizens oppressed by this opportunistic merchant. So typical of politicians, but I must say that I didn't expect this coming from a man of the Church!!!

[Secura]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg
Commander Secura
of the Military Faction

Lords and ladies of the Senate!

While there will surely be no doubts that our glorious nation will eventually succumb to the hegemony of a single faction, it is obvious that such responsibility cannot be bestowed upon the Populists and their anarchic notions of equality among all our citizens!

These are not the soldiers who keep our lands safe, gladly offering their lives in defence of our people. Nor are they the clergy who provide the solice and faith of our Lord to those who seek it.

They are not the bureaucrats who keep the clockwork of our society well-oiled, nor are they the merchants who ensure we remain a beacon of free trade to our neighbours and fill the state's coffers with gold.

No, they are the so-called ordinary folk; the farmers, blacksmiths, servants, courtesans... these people should not be meddling in politics and I suggest we create a motion to remove this faction from the Senate entirely!

I would like to concur with previous representatives and add that it is often our faith in the Lord that helps us overcome great trials in life, and thus I am also willing to support the pious God Emperor in his bid for Consul!


vote: God Emperor

Military: 21
Civic: 19
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 22

[Diamondeye]

"Also, dear senators, as I'm sure you will all feel is obvious and self-evident, there is no Rome without the people of Rome and-
"was that a fly? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132435-The-Senate&p=2053246067&viewfull=1#post2053246067) Could someone do me the favour to swat it? Please, I will have silence when I speak."

Military: 21
Civic: 18 -1
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 23 +1

OOC Aside: So this is what politics feel like..!

[God Emperor]

I thank thee Robbiecon. It will not soon be forgotten :bow:

and welcome lady Secura! only poetry can explain the feelings that were awakened in me, when I saw you return to the senate halls. 'Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,/Who is already sick and pale with grief' - From Romeo and Juliet

[Secura]

Senator Diamondeye, your faction's beliefs hold equality and unity among citizens of our glorious nation above all else, and yet you talk down to fellow members of the Senate?

Your behaviour serves only to highlight the shortcomings of your ideology, and the very reasons why the Senate should move to reduce your influence.

[Romanic]

Shakespeare. I can't believe this.

[Diamondeye]

Senator Diamondeye, your faction's beliefs hold equality and unity among all citizens of our glorious nation above all else, and yet you talk down to fellow members of the Senate?

Your behaviour serves only to highlight the shortcomings of your ideology, and the very reasons why the Senate should move to reduce your influence.

"Milady, I have done no such thing! I was merely cut short in my speech by what was surely a buzzing insect somewhere. Isn't it the job of people of your profession to kill things? What are you waiting for, then?
"Furthermore, I would like to point out that we as senators are the voice of the public. We speak with the voice of the people, and our speech should be respected as such.
"Surely, one has seen too many wars if he cannot believe in our ideology, the good of man! I dare not think what brutal episodes that have misshapen your outlook so severely, respected collegue.
"Now, however, I have bread in the oven and circuses to arrange. I fly, but will be back if my people need me!"


Shakespeare. I can't believe this.

Want me to get my copy of his "Julius Caesar" and rebuke this man as to classical literature?

[Secura]

Being the voice of the people is all well and good, we are a nation of free speech after all... but the common man has no idea how to run the state.

He has no knowledge of warfare and the tactical nous required to best the opposition, no idea about the subtle economics that our merchants use to monopolise the global market in our favour and no inclinations towards the inner-working of our nation's administration.

He is, however, aware of the right amount of time required to bake the perfect loaf of bread, the precise angle to cleave calf meat from the bone while minimising waste or the exact distance from his home to the public baths.

Knowing such things is all well and good when it comes to their own lives, but such knowledge is useless in the face of running an entire nation.

[Romanic]

Lady Secura, this aggressive stance toward my faction is totally uncalled for. We haven't done anything against the military, and in fact I believe that you should be the force driving our nation. :sweetheart:

Now I feel so betrayed by your words. I... I am speechless.... :bigcry:

Military: 21
Civic: 17 -1
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 24 +1

[Secura]

Senator, I am merely being practical.

[God Emperor]

Shakespeare. I can't believe this.

Shakespeare indeed. If I am to be the spiritual leader of our people, I would say it's expectable that I can touch their hearts and souls.

Again attack the weak and innocent Romanic :o you and your partner are tyrrants ! Secura was absolutely right when she said you were dangerous

Military: 21
Civic: 18 + 1
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 23 - 1

to rebuild what you destroyed and to show good faith to my dear friend Robbiecon

[robbiecon]

Without having a state which can run proficiently, and without error, you shall all be lost. It is the bureaucrats who hold the true power over the running of the land.

Civic +1
Populist -1

Military: 21
Civic: 19
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 22

[Romanic]

Another subtle move by Senator GE, to creep into your heart before the fatal attack.

Fact is, he's a religious man, yet he's quoting some poet instead of the holy scriptures. He's a fake, with a hidden agenda, please thread carefully around this evil man.

[Diamondeye]

Being the voice of the people is all well and good, we are a nation of free speech after all... but the common man has no idea how to run the state.

He has no knowledge of warfare and the tactical nous required to best the opposition, no idea about the subtle economics that our merchants use to monopolise the global market in our favour and no inclinations towards the inner-working of our nation's administration.

He is, however, aware of the right amount of time required to bake the perfect loaf of bread, the precise angle to cleave calf meat from the bone while minimising waste or the exact distance from his home to the public baths.

Knowing such things is all well and good when it comes to their own lives, but such knowledge is useless in the face of running an entire nation.

When it comes to what the people in power of this nation knows their ways around, I prefer bread to blood any day of the week (and both this sunday, where our new gladiatorial games, "The Brief, Brutal and Bloody Battle of the Bavarian Bridge (Bread Baskets and Booths Backstage)", is running!).

[robbiecon]

That's some of the finest alliteration I've ever seen Diamondeye!

[Diamondeye]

Also, voting time.

Military: 21
Civic: 19
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 23

Let the God Emperor sell out his own people to win over an ally. A True Roman would never turn his back on the People.
Also, free tickets for this sunday's games for everyone! If you behave, you can be a spectator instead of a contestant! :beam:

[Secura]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg
Commander Secura
of the Military Faction

Lords and ladies of the Senate!

While the Populist movement continues to gather momentum and grow in popularity with the people, it is here in these very halls that their true contributions to the state are shown.

Thus far we have seen their representatives willing to denounce our holy men with slanderous calls of heresy and evil... are these truly the words of the common man? Or, for that matter, the words of those we can entrust the running of our vast empire?

What say you, the merchants of our fine empire? Your silence does you no credit or justice here.

Military: 22
Civic: 19
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 22

[robbiecon]

Was the org down for everyone?


Military: 22
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 21

[Secura]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg
Commander Secura
of the Military Faction

Lords and ladies of the Senate!

The recent celestial movements that led to a temporary blackout over our beloved nation has led to silence in these halls of late, let them fill once more with discussion!

Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

Yup, the Org was down for a little while; I think CFC had similar problems, so it might've been vBulletin acting up.

[robbiecon]

Yep CFC was down for me too.

So that's what those Gaullian barbarians were referring to, when they kept worrying about "the sky falling on their heads"

[God Emperor]

the page is back up ? wonderful !

Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19 - 1

[Diamondeye]

(OOC: I know we had a good start, but now you're overdoing it, Secura and Robbiecon EDIT: And GE! :tongue:)

"I see that in my absence those who would wish me ill has spent the time buzzing around like busy bees. Yet I am back now, and I will not tolerate this recent development.
"My voice may be my only ressource, unlike those here who are sponsored by their trade, be it peaceful or warlike, but it is the voice of the people and I know it to be enough."

"I have no reason to act against you openly, Secura, but that which you have so adequately described for acting against me and my honored colleague. We must make sure to rein in those who would wish the Senate to become as their puppet theatre, seeking to drag around the Republic by the threads. This is a People's Republic, not the kingdom of some barbaric warlord like those in the Far North."

Military: 22
Civic: 20
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

[robbiecon]

Military: 21
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

Happy now?

[Secura]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg
Commander Secura
of the Military Faction

Representative of the Populists!

You say that the people require a voice, but to what end? Are they not content with everything that we have provided?

Their lands are bountiful with produce, kept safe from barbarians by the military and their goods bought by our merchants. Criminality is a non-issue, taxation has been at a constant low for years now and societal laws are more lenient than ever!

These halls discuss diplomatic, administrative and religious matters beyond the common man; so why the requirement for a voice?

Additionally, your concerns about my interest in the Senate are unwarranted and, if I didn't know any better, sound highly accusational. And I had hoped that you would have stopped at our clergy, how foolish of me!

I am a protector of the realm, and it is largely thanks to the efforts of my soldiers and I that this proud republic stands, in addition to the fine work of the administration, our merchants and the church.

I have no designs on controlling or dissolving the Senate, or any other nonsensical notions like it; the Republic will remain as such until the Senate and the people decide otherwise.

Military: 22
Civic: 20
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

[Diamondeye]

"Commander Secura,

"It is the duty of myself and my colleagues of my party to make sure that senate never loses touch with that which is its raison d'etre; The People. Need I remind my fellow senators why we are here? The Senate represents the people! We are here to act out the will of the people. That is our privilege and our duty. And I am here on behalf of those who are not lucky enough to have the law, the sword, the gold or the gods to speak for them; I am here to see to it that the Head of the Republic, the Senate, never loses its connection to its body, The People.

"You are right that many of the people whom I represent would not know how to fare in these halls, which is what makes my presence here important; It is through I that the common man speaks. I am who grants him his voice in the matters that will surely shape his life and that of his family for generations to come.

"I apologize if I have used a rough tone with some of you, fellow colleagues, but it angers me to see the ideals of the Republic of Rome so questioned. On that note, allow me to add that I pay the same thanks to our proud soldiers that I do to our priests, our judges and tribunes, our merchants of all trades, and all other good Roman citizens; They serve the republic through each their own required role, and as you are here on behalf of our legions, so am I here on behalf of all those men who makes Rome what it is each day; from the lowliest cobbler and fisherman to the very top of society amongst the nobilitia, their voice lends mine its strength.

"I am still of the opinion that reining in God Emperor's common influence in the senate will help to balance the scales of power should he be elected Consule today."

Military: 22
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 21

[Double A]

Damn populists. Using my perfectly good elephants for their smelly circuses. They've turned them into beasts of entertainment, not of war.

I'm going to change that.

Military: 23+
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20-


Am I too late to sign up?

I'd go Military with everyone's 'favourite' thread spammer, if not. :3

:bow:

[Diamondeye]

"Oh and someone should burn down that Carthage village, by the way. Secura?"

[God Emperor]

You still dare steal representatives of the religious house minor?! An investigation should soon commence to find out if the house of populists even pay hommage to our Gods


Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19 - 1

Taking back what is rightfully mine

[Secura]

Representative Diamondeye:

It is your duty, first and foremost, to uphold the integrity of the state; the lives of our people are certainly of the upmost importance, but they are nothing compared to the sacrosanctity of Roma itself.

You mention priveleges, but that is not why we're here; we are here because we are the greatest minds in our respective fields, which is precisely what is required to run our glorious republic. The common man would be here himself, if he was only a patron of the collegia rather than the taverna.

I do not oppose the common man making his opinions known to the Senate, but dictating the course of diplomacy, economics or the bureaucracy? That is a different matter altogether.

[robbiecon]

If the Military grow too strong we'll have a full on coup on our hands, we cannot let our empire be given over to them, they serve us well, but they would not lead us well, I fear.

Military: 22
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19

[Double A]

And if the military grows too weak you'll have a barbarian invasion on your hands. Ever think about that, or were you too busy looking at statues to notice?

[Secura]

I maintain the same stance I cited earlier; the republic will remain a republic, though I might add that hegemony is not necessarily a bad thing, if only for a little direction.

Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19

[Romanic]

I leave a minute and we're suddenly last?

Cry "Havoc!", and let slip the dogs of war!

Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

[Diamondeye]

Taking back what is rightfully mine

These words have never rung truer:
Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 21

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 20


Should I die a pauper, I still would never support a populist.

[Double A]

Cry "Havoc!", and let slip the dogs of war!

Someone appears to be confused about their alignment :rolleyes:

Military: 24
Civic: 20
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 19

[Diamondeye]

Fast editing there, Double A. I was about to ask why you thought you had a double vote.

Also; Pizza :shame: The only faction that I have never made a move against, and you repay me like this? Where are the honest men of Rome? Oh right you're merchants

[Double A]

Fast editing there, Double A. I was about to ask why you thought you had a double vote.

Yeah, I always refresh the page to check for ninjas.

[Diamondeye]

Yeah, I always refresh the page to check for ninjas.

Ninjas! In our senate chambers? Someone call the guards!
Oh...

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg


My word...

I think I've found the only thing I love besides gold.

I can see my taxes are being put to good use with this military. Defend our borders, heroes of Rome! Make the other countries fear us! Perhaps then, they would put aside their swords, grovel for mercy, and then engage in a fair trade....

[Double A]

Isn't all trade fair trade? :cool4:

[God Emperor]

It is time we bring the populists down to the level we want them to be on

Military: 24
Civic: 20
Religious: 18 +1
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 18 - 1

[robbiecon]

Well this shall be my last vote today, as I must go elsewhere. Hopefully when I return from my journeys I will have someone to aid me and the noble Civic branch.

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 18

I agree that Commander Secura is rather pleasing to the eye. However fair trade, ha, that's non-existant these days. And I can't get a good pizza.

[Diamondeye]

I can't help but notice that people are still taking potshots at my faction even though it is the smallest. I don't like that at all.

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 19

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 20

Why the military? Blame Senator Double A. He knows why.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19


I'll fight to the last coin!

[God Emperor]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 18 - 1

supporting the honoured merchants guild

[Diamondeye]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 19

Probably my last vote today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

New hour, new vote.

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 18


Throw them to the lions!

[Romanic]

(It doesn't work like that, I think. You can vote only if it's been one hour or more since your last vote. That's how Threadwars usually work. I'll consider your vote good, but it should be looked into by our host.)

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 18 -
Populist: 19 +

[slashandburn]

Friends, Countrymen, lend me your Ears should we allow the Capite Censii to make decisions for Rome?
No, rather a military dictatorship or theocracy than the unwashed masses controlling any part of the Senate's dealings.
Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 18

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 17


Bloody peasants! Go wallow in a mud puddle!

[Diamondeye]

Pizza, you can only vote an hour after your last post. Considering your current votes as legal, I'll go:
Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 18

You will need to wait 1hr 35mins from your last post to even out what you "cheated" by these last two posts, though (and that's pretty large, assuming you spend 0 minutes replying each time)

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19

[Ibn-Khaldun]

1. I consider ATPG's posts so far valid. However, from this post forward, please check the time when you voted the last time. I can forgive if players post ~10 minutes before the right time but that's all.

2. Elections
Correct me if I'm wrong but here is the current tally:

God Emperor(4): God Emperor, Askthepizzaguy, robbiecon, Secura
Diamondeye(2): Diamondeye, Romanic

3. And after all that time we have almost the same situation as we had in the beginning. Well, don't worry people, things will get better next turn. :evilgrin:

[God Emperor]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 18 - 1

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

Har har, the floor's all mine.

[Double A]

C-c-c-combo breaker!

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19

[slashandburn]

Stop, Thief!
Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religous: 17
Mercantile: 20(+)
Populist: 18(-)

Vote: God Emperor

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religous: 17
Mercantile: 21(+)
Populist: 17(-)


The Populists offer nothing to this Republic.


The Merchants offer goods and services, and pay more than their fair share of taxes. We also don't need to leech off of the state. The Military which we pay for defends our very lives, and allows the peace which results in trade. Without our soldiers and generals, we could be invaded and our goods stolen by some barbarians. The Civic-minded among us pave our roads and build our economy from the ground up, and keep our government functioning. The religious keep our people righteous and fair-minded.

The odd ones out are the bloody populists. Filthy worms, that's all they are! Drawing graffiti on the palace walls, stealing from the granary, snatching goods off of our carts... they live in squalor and filth and aren't even fit enough to fight for Rome.

What manner of men are these? They're not men, they're rodents!

[Double A]

It's 13 minutes till an hour is up, but this is my last vote of the day, so I'll just do it now.

Military: 24(+)
Civic: 21
Religous: 17
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 16(-)

[God Emperor]

better start out with a good voting adjustment

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religous: 18+ 1
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 15 - 1

The floor is mine now Romanic ? :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religous: 18
Mercantile: 22 +1
Populist: 14 - 1


I was busy....

[Secura]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg
Commander Secura
of the Military Faction

Lords of the Senate!

I return from our lands further afield where the effort to fully incorporate the local peasants into our glorious empire are proceeding as planned! There are some problems in the northern reaches of the lands, but our military might will soon bring the barbarians into line if diplomacy will not!

In the meantime, I suggest staving off this assault against the Populist faction, they have not had their say for some time now and I feel that their purported voice of the common man might come in use for concluding our campaigns abroad as swiftly and peacefully as possible.

Military: 25
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 22
Populist: 15

I would like to add that the tally looks as though it has gone awry somewhere; there are supposed to be one hundred representatives in the Senate, yet I only counted ninety-nine in the tally.

Looking back, it appears that slashandburn didn't count a point added by Double A, so my tally is currently the correct one, please continue from it. :3

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Turn 1 is over.
Wait until I open Turn 2.

Thank you Secura for correcting the tally. :bow:

Edit: Also, Yoyoma1910 have joined the Civic faction.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The Senate is open for discussions once again!
Turn 2


Small group of men stood behind the pillars and discussed something. They kept their voices as quiet as they could. Then, one of the men took out some pouches and gave it to another two men. After nodding to each other the two men left. -2 to Civic faction

The tally:
Military: 25
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 24
Populist:15

God Emperor is this years Consul! Act nice or he will spank you!

Players:
ATPG - Mercantile
slashandburn - Mercantile
Double A - Military
Secura - Military
Diamondeye - Populist
Romanic - Populist
God Emperor - Religious
robbiecon - Civic
Yoyoma1910 - Civic
Subotan - ?

[God Emperor]

my first act will be to put a one-time penalty on the military tribunal

Military: 24- 1
Civic: 18
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 24
Populist:15

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 25
Populist:14

Prepare for trouble!
Make it double!
To protect the Republic from devastation!
For the economic prosperity of our nation!
To denounce the evils of thieving poor!
To extend our trade beyond our shores!
Pizza!
Slash!
Merchant Faction, check out our low, low prices!
Vote for us now, to prevent economic crisis!
Money! That's nice....

[God Emperor]

:laugh4:

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 20 +1
Mercantile: 25
Populist:13 - 1

[Ibn-Khaldun]

God Emperor - Your last post was about half hour ago. So, this voting is not valid.

Correct tally from ATPG's post.

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 25
Populist:14

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 25
Populist:15

Yeah watch them Ibn, they won't keep cheating.

[Secura]

Ignore this post, I missed GE's second vote and thought Ibn referred to the one immediately after the phase started.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Actually, since GE was never able to remove a point from Military, this tally is correct as of Romanic's post:

Military: 25
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 25
Populist: 15

I'll start on my post now.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't 25 + 18 + 18 + 25 + 15 = 101?

And GE removed 1 point from MIlitary faction.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't 25 + 18 + 18 + 25 + 15 = 101?

There's extra numbers in there. That's the delivery boy's tip.

Keep the change. Don't spend that assarius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_%28coin%29) all in one place.

[Secura]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg
Commander Secura
of the Military Faction

Consul God Emperor!

Why, pray tell, have you decided to neuter the military arm of the Republic like so? Have we not supported the faith enough?

A more pressing matter is at hand which bears your judgement; if you observe the numbers of each party, you will notice that two members of the bureaucracy have mysteriously switched to the merchant cause overnight!

This turncoat attitude may have been funded with denarii that should be going into the state coffers; how far will this go before the votes of the entire Senate have been bought in the darkness?

I say we clip the wings of the problem before it escalates to that!

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 24
Populist: 16

I misread the tally, sheesh; things like that wouldn't happen if people just watched when they post and got the tallies right in the first place.

[Romanic]

Thank you Commander Secura. :bow:

I totally agree. We can let the Merchants take control, we're no Phoenician weaklings. Look where a trading empire got them.

Power to the people, and a strong army to protect us, everything else is a luxury.

The merchants should stay in their bazaars, the priests in their temples, and the civ... er, civicers in their.... in their civic houses!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 25
Populist: 15

That's what I think of your proposal, o poppingest of populists. Now excuse me while I eat this chicken without chewing. It's so good, but I don't need to taste it. I have people who do that for me. I pay them in a week more than you'll earn in 10 years toiling in the fields.

*belch*

[Secura]

The merchants are a vital part of our empire and I wouldn't dream of ousting them from these halls.

However, I simply cannot condone such underhanded coercion and feel that it should be met with repercussions from the Consul.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The merchants are a vital part of our empire and I wouldn't dream of ousting them from these halls.

However, I simply cannot condone such underhanded coercion and feel that it should be met with repercussions from the Consul.


I would never dream of offending the elite soldier class. You fine folks always purchase supplies and horses and weapons. You even pay for stones, if they are nice and hurl-worthy.

The soldiers cost much, but give much in return.

Speaking of which, this chicken is starting to feel hurl-worthy.

[Secura]

But how long before you attempt to convince our own representatives with a palm full of denarii?

[Askthepizzaguy]

But how long before you attempt to convince our own representatives with a palm full of denarii?

For you, my lady, it will always be soft strumming of the lyra, some wine, and a single rose held between my teeth.

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 24
Populist: 16

If the merchants want it that way. :smug2:

[Secura]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 23
Populist: 17

I still desire a response from the Consul.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 24
Populist: 16

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 23
Populist: 17

[Secura]

Military: 25
Civic: 18
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 22
Populist: 17

It's seven minutes early, but I'm off out shortly anyway; I'll post my next one around 2pm to compensate. :bow:

[Yoyoma1910]

It would seem the merchants are late with their taxes, and Rome must have her roads!

Military: 25
Civic: 19
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 17

[robbiecon]

Well, I'm glad to see that in my absence from the senate, things haven't gone too pear shaped for me. I also welcome senator Yoyoma to the Civic faction.

I fear that the military are growing too strong, and I must therefore make a stand against this.

Military: 24
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 17

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 22
Populist: 16

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 20
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 17

Stubborn merchants, hmmph!

EDIT: Bah, I'm 2 minutes early. My computer's clock is +2 mins than the ORG's.

[God Emperor]

Here I am Lady Secura. Removing a senatorial officer was a rash decision caused by the fatigue a man feels when the night denies him his sleep. The Military has always been great supporters and I give you my sincere apology :bow:

Military: 24
Civic: 20
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 16 - 1

[Yoyoma1910]

The work of the military is great indeed, however, the budget must be cut so as that we might build a great Colosseum for the entertainment of all Rome.


Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 16

[God Emperor]

seems a bit much that you lower the military score by two points?

[robbiecon]

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 16

[Double A]

Oh you.

Military: 23+
Civic: 21-
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 21
Populist: 16

[Diamondeye]

((OOC: Just want to point out the three-man block of Merchants/Religious completely trampling our faction. They're dangerous.))

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 17

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 18

Totally. There's a bunch of maniacs within these walls.

[robbiecon]

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 18

[Diamondeye]

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 19

[God Emperor]

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 20 + 1
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 18 - 1

[Diamondeye]

"Hear ye, Hear ye! Honored senators, the game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132540-Order-Of-The-Stick-Mafia-Sign-Ups) is about to begin! Hurry to get your places on the balcony!"

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 20
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 19

[God Emperor]

getting front row seats


Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 21 + 1
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 18 - 1

[Diamondeye]

GE; Playing secrecy? You're not on MSN (or shown as offline, at least) or on Steam :tongue:

[robbiecon]

Military: 21
Civic: 23
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 18

[Secura]

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 18

Why the constant attack against the military, good sir?

[Diamondeye]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 19

[Romanic]

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 20


EDIT: Fixed following Secura's edit.

[God Emperor]

what just happened to the tally ? it looks completely strange after secura touched it ?

[Romanic]

Indeed, it seems Commander Secura messed with the voting bulletins. :P

[Secura]

Jesus Christ, it was a copy-pasta mistake, just amend your posts. ¬_¬

Current tally is (I think):

Military: 22
Civic: 22
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 20

[Secura]

And now it is:

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 20

I'll post my next vote at 8pm to compensate this being slightly early.

[God Emperor]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 23 + 2
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 18 - 2

(using my consul ability) tally fixed now

[Diamondeye]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 14
Populist: 19

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 20

[Diamondeye]

Someone's going to wake up to roughly the same surprise as I did earlier, then. I believe 13 is an all-time low.

[robbiecon]

12 is even worse

Military: 23
Civic: 22
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 12
Populist: 20

[God Emperor]

not to mention 11 :o


Military: 23
Civic: 22
Religious: 24 + 1
Mercantile: 11 - 1
Populist: 20

[Secura]

Military: 23
Civic: 22
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 12
Populist: 20

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 22
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 21

"Away with you, beggar merchant!"

[Diamondeye]

Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 22

It's not that I don't like getting down to dirty business, but scarring a faction this much, this early, isn't my cup of tea. We were almost down there ourselves. Pizza has given me no reason to spare him, yet I do, God knows why, at least for now. I don't want to provoke hostilities with anyone else, but I have to hit someone, and this time, it's Civic. No offence meant, Civic.

[Double A]

Military: 24+
Civic: 20-
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 22

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24+
Civic: 20-
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 12
Populist: 21

[Secura]

Military: 24
Civic: 20
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 21

[God Emperor]

Military: 23 - 1
Civic: 20
Religious: 23 + 1
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 21

you are pushing it Secura ! :p

[Double A]

vote: Secura

[Romanic]

Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 12
Populist: 22

[Diamondeye]

Sheesh Pizza, rejecting an open hand like that? Is it because it's the hand of a "lowly plebian"?

Military: 23
Civic: 20
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 23

Vote: Secura

[God Emperor]

I disagree.. I know how the state is running.. after all I am, what you could concider, a founding father - I was the first consul elect in this nations history. . and war is too important to be left to the generals.. Clemenceau once said that.
Romanic, our most honoured populist, who brought us the news of the merchant who had monopoly on the milk racket in town. Romanic would make a magnificent Consul. He is a man of the people.. and a man of God !

Vote: Romanic

[Double A]

ooc: I'm fairly sure you weren't first consul in Roman history. Senate is already established in this game.

[Romanic]

Yes, yes, that's right I go to church almost every day. Thank you senator GE for your support.

vote: Romanic

I will be a good Consul. Evil will be purged from this nation, you have my word.

[God Emperor]

ooc: I'm fairly sure you weren't first consul in Roman history. Senate is already established in this game.

don't wave your fancy degrees at me

[Secura]

I have never heard of this Clemenceau fellow, the name sounds Gaulish however and we all know their approach to politics involves throwing root vegetables at one another and admiring their ability to cultivate peculiar body scents garnered from a lack of visiting the public baths.

At any rate, this Clemenceau's statement regarding generals is foolish, as is your desire to cite it as an excuse to neuter our influence; certainly there would be little point fighting a war without the brave soldiers who dedicate their lives to the cause, but where would those soldiers be without the direction and neverending inspiration that only comes from a strong leader?

And what stronger leadership could there be than a commander?

vote: Secura

[Double A]

Military: 24
Civic: 19
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 23


don't wave your fancy degrees at me

I'm in high school.

[Diamondeye]

don't wave your fancy degrees at me

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Inspired by your signature quote? :tongue:

[God Emperor]

it's a wonderful Futurama quote :p

TOUR GUIDE
I don't know where you get your facts
sir but I am a volunteer housewife with
45 minutes of orientation and a harlequin
romance about archeologists!


FRY
Don't wave your fancy degrees at me.

[Secura]

Military: 25
Civic: 19
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 23

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 25
Civic: 19
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 12
Populist: 22

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sheesh Pizza, rejecting an open hand like that? Is it because it's the hand of a "lowly plebian"?

You peasants have done enough to damage the merchants I represent. Our current standing in the Senate reflects that.

Oh, I'm sorry, did you expect me to forget?


Vote: Secura

I'm displeased by how the current Consul has treated us.

[Diamondeye]

Oh, I'm sorry, did you expect me to forget?

No, but forgive, perhaps.
I never attacked your faction (and Romanic did only once, randomly) before you started your crusade of hate against us. This is all just (in both meanings of the word; "merely" and "with justice") retribution. Thus:

Military: 25
Civic: 19
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 23

This will be my last post before going to bed. So long, gentlemen (http://nano2009.omer.bar-or.org/images/misc/gentlemen.jpg)

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, but forgive, perhaps.
I never attacked your faction (and Romanic did only once, randomly) before you started your crusade of hate against us. This is all just (in both meanings of the word; "merely" and "with justice") retribution. Thus:

One does not forgive those who have given no reason to. :inquisitive:

After raiding our coffers to the point of near-bankruptcy, we are supposed to thank you? Say it's all good, brah?

I think not.

[Diamondeye]

One does not forgive those who have given no reason to. :inquisitive:

After raiding our coffers to the point of near-bankruptcy, we are supposed to thank you? Say it's all good, brah?

I think not.

... I'll throw in a free bread?

[Romanic]

"Psst Diamondeye! Offer a roasted chicken!"

Military: 25
Civic: 18
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 11
Populist: 24

[Double A]

Military: 25
Civic: 18
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 12
Populist: 23

[Double A]

Military: 25
Civic: 18
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 22

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 18
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 23

Commander Secura, you should keep your lackey on a tight leash.

[Double A]

Go back to farming, it suits you.

Military: 25+
Civic: 18
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 22-

[Yoyoma1910]

It would seem the people are not happy with their current tax rate. Perhaps they would care to see it raised?
Military: 25
Civic: 19
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 21

[Yoyoma1910]

vote:pizza


My fellow senators, let us let business run the nation, and make us our great nation wealthy!

[Yoyoma1910]

Military: 25
Civic: 20
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 13
Populist: 20

[slashandburn]

Military: 25
Civic: 19
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 14(+)
Populist: 20 (-)

[slashandburn]

Vote: Secura hope there's no hard feelings :grin:

[Double A]

Military: 25
Civic: 19
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 15(+)
Populist: 19 (-)

[Yoyoma1910]

As a senator of Rome I demand you at least count my valid votes, and yet my vote from 1 hours ago goes unheaded. I shall there for fix the tally:

Military: 25
Civic: 20
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 18


I shall then vote:

Military: 25
Civic: 21
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 17

[Yoyoma1910]

The people of Rome will learn to appreciate when their governement trims budget rather than raising taxes. By hook or by crook.


Military: 25
Civic: 22
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 16

[Double A]

Military: 26
Civic: 22
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 15
Populist: 15

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Mercantile leader would be willing to discuss ending the animosity between our factions, Populist leader.

For now, we will put some coin into our faction from the church, who took when we were at our weakest.


Military: 26
Civic: 22
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 16
Populist: 15


unvote, vote: Pizza

But Secura would be a fine Consul as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 26
Civic: 21
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 15

A little from here, a little from there. You also took from us when we were low. Nothing personal, Civic-minded people.

[God Emperor]

everybody knows it is the church duty to fill it's own coffers

Military: 25 - 1
Civic: 21
Religious: 22 + 2
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 15

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Turn 2 is now over!

All votes after this message will not be counted.

Wait until I open Turn 3.

Edit: God Emperor - I think you made a typo when you added 2 points for your faction. ~;)

[God Emperor]

Really? The rules says the following: Each turn Consul must be elected. To do it player must post Vote: Name.
4. Consuls powers:
1) Can once a day give +2 to his faction while reducing the power of another faction by -2.

I don't see how this can be misinterpret

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I apologize. That is my screw up. I meant there "once a turn". :shame:

However, like I said it was my screw up then your vote will stand but I will change that part in the rules so that this power can be used once a turn.

[Secura]

I don't see it as a screw-up on your part Ibn; I knew exactly what it meant, but then it could just be a native English thing?

When I read the structure of the game, it seemed obvious that each turn was centered around a single day, thus I interpreted that the Consul abilities were usuable as such. :S

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Looking the tally, GE only removed/added 1 point. So, it doesn't matter.
Also, to make it clear. I am talking about GE's last post where he voted(made today 9:40 by my clock).

Anyway, the next turn will be opened soon. Had to do some housework.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

The Senate is open for discussions!
Turn 3


Cloaked person approaches two Senators near the Forum. After some discussions the three men shake hands and the cloaked person left. -2 to Military faction

A rumor spread in Rome that Askthepizzaguy was involved with some foreigners from east. However, soon it was discovered that it was Romanic who had started this rumor.

Our beloved Consul, God Emperor, held a triumph after the army had destroyed a barbarian horde in north. The fact that he was not even close to the battle is not important. Many of the senators from the Mercantile faction were so inspired that they decided to join Religious faction. -2 to Mercantile faction; +2 to Religious faction

The tally:
Military: 23
Civic: 21
Religious: 24
Mercantile: 17
Populist:15

Secura is this years Consul!

Players:
ATPG - Mercantile
slashandburn - Mercantile
Double A - Military
Secura - Military
Diamondeye - Populist
Romanic - Populist
God Emperor - Religious
robbiecon - Civic
Yoyoma1910 - Civic

[robbiecon]

And so the senate recommences. And Religion has surely taken a hold of the Senate for the moment. But do we really want a God Emperor for the empire?


Military: 23
Civic: 22
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 17
Populist:15

[God Emperor]

indeed you do ! now give back my priest ! sanctuary !
Military: 23
Civic: 21 -1
Religious: 24 + 1
Mercantile: 17
Populist:15

Edit: Also congratulations with the new title commander Consul Secura :bow: I am happy to step down in your favour

[Secura]

https://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/Secura87/CommanderSecura.jpg
Commander Secura
of the Military Faction
Consul of the Senate

Lords of the Senate!

Firstly, I thank you for honouring me with the position of Consul and I will be certain to put it's powers to good use; furthering the just and righteous cause of our noble republic!

As you are no doubt aware, our forces were successful in our campaign against the barbaric heathens on the northern reaches of our borders; a small number lie dead to the savage tactics of the enemy, but for every life sacrificed by our courageous soldiers, many more have been saved here in Roma.

May they be remembered as heroes for their unquestionable loyalty to the republic and may they serve as a reminder of our own duties.

Unfortunately, this hard-fought victory has been tarnished in these very halls, marred by our former Consul who publicly paraded through Roma as though he was responsible for our triumph.

Let it be known that the military will not tolerate any man claiming the glory of victory for his own when it is a victory for the entire empire; I hereby call for punitive repercussions against the Religious faction so that they might learn from their mistake.

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 23
Mercantile: 17
Populist:15

[Yoyoma1910]

Apparently you'vr lost you 501(k) status.


Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 22
Mercantile: 17
Populist:15

[Diamondeye]

I am in agreement with the Consule on this; There is nothing personal in this animosity towards those of celestial inclination, though.

I would also like to distance myself from the episode concerning my fellow colleague Romanic and his attempts at slanderous and unethical methods. I cannot say that I was unaware of the development, but the Senate has my word that I did my utmost to try and talk him out of it - without success, it seems.

Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 21
Mercantile: 17
Populist:16

[Secura]

Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 20
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 17

[Double A]

I would like to point out that some men stole some bronze decorations from a military monument and attached them to a temple last night. (ooc: TEMPLE. Not CHURCH. We're ROME, ok?)

Military: 25+
Civic: 22
Religious: 19-
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 17

[robbiecon]

Military: 24
Civic: 23
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 17

[God Emperor]

Military: 23 -1
Civic: 23
Religious: 20 + 1
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 17

[Diamondeye]

Military: 23
Civic: 23
Religious: 19
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 18

[Yoyoma1910]

Military: 23
Civic: 24
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 18

[Secura]

Military: 24
Civic: 23
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 18

[God Emperor]

Military: 24
Civic: 23
Religious: 19 + 1
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 17 - 1

[Diamondeye]

Back to that, are we?

Military: 24
Civic: 23
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 18

[robbiecon]

Military: 24
Civic: 24
Religious: 18
Mercantile: 16
Populist: 18

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 24
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 16
Populist: 19

I missed a lot... Looks like the priests are against us again. GE was trying to elect me Consul yesterday, hmmm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 23
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 17
Populist: 19

Uh, no. Why not pick on someone your own size.

[Secura]

Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 19

[God Emperor]

I take away power from your faction Romanic as retribution :( fact is , I can't see through DE plan :o
I still think you would be a fine consul though :smug2:
Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 18 + 1
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 18 - 1

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 17
Mercantile: 18
Populist: 19


This is pretty much how I feel about the religious faction right now.

First we supported you as Consul, and never harmed you. Then, when we were in trouble, you kicked us in the teeth, and stole from us in the night.

What manner of men are these in "priestly" robes? You have betrayed everyone who has called you a friend.

I still have ill feelings about the Populists and their slanderous ways, but their treachery was exposed and they will pay the shame of it. Now, man-God, you shall seek redemption and forgiveness, or seek to find yourself on the streets begging for coin.

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 16
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19

Thank you master merchant. I'm glad we've put our differences aside.

Would you believe that just now, the Religious leader offered me a bribe to attack you? I refused immediately. How outrageous!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe it from this man.

He's an opportunist. The Mercantile faction was an easy target in the last session, and he happily joined (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132435-The-Senate&p=2053246683&viewfull=1#post2053246683) in the pile-on. I am still grumbling about how particularly dishonorable that was, considering how we supported him.

It is one thing to attack one's enemies; it's quite another to attack one's friends when they are in need.

[God Emperor]

I can understand your furry master merchant.. I can understand it a lot, So I will be honest with you. I am the weakest faction in this game by far and so I have to adjust myself to that. I would have remained loyal to the traders to the end. TO THE END ! , if it wasn't because you had been a gone a terrible lot , and was on the brink of destruction. So I will do as you say ! I shall seek redemption in the eyes of God and in the eyes of my former master :bow:

Romanics story about me offering a bribe is ofc nonesense. I would never try to make alliances with people who seems to want my head, So Romanic is lying... but then again that isn't the first time is it slanderous Romanic?? :p

[Secura]

And yet the representative from the merchants fails to add that he actually coerced two members of my own party over to his side with promises of untold wealth, only to then have two of his own have their heads turned by the former Consul's false claims of responsibility for a military victory.

I am not condemning you, Pizza... but please do not label yourself as put-upon when you are as guilty of underhanded tactics as he is.

In case this is not clear, the writeup states that two members of Military were bribed away, which means they went over to Mercantile. Then God Emperor's triumph stole those two away from Mercantile over to Religious.

If you cut out the middle man, the Religious faction has basically stolen from Military, which is why Mercantile isn't feeling my wrath. xD

[Secura]

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 16
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can understand your furry master merchant.. I can understand it a lot, So I will be honest with you. I am the weakest faction in this game by far and so I have to adjust myself to that. I would have remained loyal to the traders to the end. TO THE END ! , if it wasn't because you had been a gone a terrible lot , and was on the brink of destruction. So I will do as you say ! I shall seek redemption in the eyes of God and in the eyes of my former master :bow:

Romanics story about me offering a bribe is ofc nonesense. I would never try to make alliances with people who seems to want my head, So Romanic is lying... but then again that isn't the first time is it slanderous Romanic?? :p

First of all, man-wearing-dress, I object to being called a "furry".

Secondly, you are the weakest by your own actions. You had the support of the mercantile faction, and you lost it by deed. I should forgive you because you merely wanted to kill a sick man? Put me out of my misery, eh? No harm done then.... :rolleyes: Guess we can count you among our true friends, for granting us such a merciful end.

As for your accusation that the Populists are slandering you, I leave it to them to deal justice to you for such a lie, or to you to deal them justice for spreading such a rumor. Given past behaviors, I have no reason to believe your version.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And yet the representative from the merchants fails to add that he actually coerced two members of my own party over to his side with promises of untold wealth, only to then have two of his own have their heads turned by the former Consul's false claims of responsibility for a military victory.

I am not condemning you, Pizza... but please do not label yourself as put-upon when you are as guilty of underhanded tactics as he is.

In case this is not clear, the writeup states that two members of Military were bribed away, which means they went over to Mercantile. Then God Emperor's triumph stole those two away from Mercantile over to Religious.

If you cut out the middle man, the Religious faction has basically stolen from Military, which is why Mercantile isn't feeling my wrath. xD

In this case, I am not responsible. It may have been slashandburn who did so; and without my knowledge to boot. I never got any message.

I wondered why our faction didn't suffer a decrease from the Religious attack, and where the Military people went.

I can only offer my most sincere apologies for the action, as I personally feel our ties to Military faction are our strongest ties, and I think jeopardizing such relations is a terrible idea. I condemn such a move.

I would ask that slashandburn restore what was lost to the Military faction when he votes next.

[Romanic]

Romanics story about me offering a bribe is ofc nonesense. I would never try to make alliances with people who seems to want my head, So Romanic is lying... but then again that isn't the first time is it slanderous Romanic?? :p

This accusation is scandalous, I am not lying! But then,how else can you defend once I revealed your dark proposal?

[God Emperor]

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 17 + 1
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 19 - 1

:laugh4: still enjoying your slander Romanic ?

[Romanic]

When you talk to me, you will address me as Senator Romanic. I've earned this right.

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 16
Mercantile: 19
Populist: 20

I will not falter under your petty threats.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 16
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 19

After the attempted slander, I still would not prefer your faction get too powerful.

[Romanic]

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 15
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 20

[Diamondeye]

Military: 24
Civic: 21
Religious: 14
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 21

[robbiecon]

Military: 24
Civic: 22
Religious: 14
Mercantile: 20
Populist: 20

I forgot about the whole slander case. This kind of behaviour is unacceptable for men of the Senate, even if it is against, sigh, the Merchants.