Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 4

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 08:39

I get Tincow's point that, basically, I can't prove my own theory unless edse dies and flips townie. There is only one other way.

But I do have bad news for you all.

Unfortunately, I have confirmed from the host himself that even starting headmasters can become corrupted.

Yes, they, like myself, are guaranteed innocent at the game start.

But, neither Khaan nor Ironside are guaranteed innocent right now.

As my own college will have pointed out in our quicktopic:

Ironside was the one who gave the order to scan edse.

I never asked for the scanning item, and I never gave input on who to scan, I asked for it.

As Tincow has died and the others did not become privy to the information until it was too late, I am forced to conclude that if edse is town, Ironside is the one pulling my strings.

He's the College Headmaster, our starting one, he is the one who suggested to scan edse, and as fate would have it, the only other person in the game who knew who I was scanning.

Ergo, I formally accuse Ironside of playing me like a fiddle.

You, good sir, turned down my perfectly generous offer to help the scum win the game, which I plastered all over the college of air quicktopics, the caveat being that you would have to admit your guilt.

As you did not play it straight with me, I am now rescinding that offer. I only work with people who are straightforward and honest with me, as some might remember from the Council of Villains game where I offered to work with the scums but Beskar, a scumbag, did not play it straight and just admit it.

Unfortunately you gambled wrong. I have always in the back of my mind considered the subtlety of this game being that the starting innocents wouldn't always stay that way.

I have repeated the false thinking over and over that masons and starting headmasters couldn't become corrupted, in the hopes that I would appear to many to be an easily tricked pawn.

This is similar to my method of dealing with Sigurd in the Capo III game, where I had assumed early on that he was scum, and double-checked all his investigation results that I could, while convincing him I believed he was town.

As such, I have played the part of the unwitting pawn, and even made the offers in-private to work with the scums provided they work toward a College of Air victory.

I suspect that Ironside is a convert to the corrupted cults, and the reason why I, a confirmed mason by the death of my own partner, am being kept alive.

Because I alone, in the College of Air, have the town masonry credibility to lead the scums to victory. Which is why I am not dead, even with a scanning item, even with being known to be a mason for a long while.

Because I would seem to be the witless puppet of the scums. A part I am only eager to play, except, I prefer to be witted. I prefer to know who I am working with.

There is no one else in the game who could have pulled off this particular deception except for Ironside. All other members of the College of Wind have been either cleared, dead, or were not privy to those conversations.

I am informing the College of Earth and the College of Water that I do not believe this investigation result is genuine, but I do believe it was spoofed by Ironside himself, the sitting and original Headmaster of Wind.

You have my permission to kill both Edse and Ironside, and see which theory is correct.

If you wish to play it safe and kill Edse first, I disagree, but that is your decision.

If you prefer to play with some manhood, I advise you to destroy Ironside immediately, rather than Edse.

__________________________________

You have 11 hours to decide whether or not you, too, are worthy of the title "Diamond Junk".

Edse, Khaan, Chaotix, White_Eyes, and all the others.... I'm fine with a town win. If you are, this is the course you must pursue.

I expect you all to "play it safe".

Surprise me if you dare.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 08:44

unvote, vote Ironside

All good things must come to an end.

Visor

12-15-2012, 08:46

I'm out with friends. If anything else of note has been posted I may change my vote. ATM I think we should lynch edse.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 09:01

I'm out with friends. If anything else of note has been posted I may change my vote. ATM I think we should lynch edse.

Nothing except me accusing my own headmaster of orchestrating a very great con that has fooled even the greater khaan. But has not fooled Pizzaguy.

Ironside is the scum, and I have no proof whatsoever. But I am wagering my long pants that this investigation result and the item used to scan is horse poop, and my brain is superior to such trinkets.

Do you want your innocent headmaster dead, or the man who was truly behind his demise and lied to make it all happen?

Personally, I prefer lynching the scum and tossing his little scanning item at his lifeless corpse. Then spitting on it.

What do you say, Visorslash. Up for a little gamble?

edse

12-15-2012, 09:23

I'm with you even though it probably destroyes my only chance of survival today.

unvote: vote: Ironside

We've both been framed, he's behind it.

Ironside

12-15-2012, 09:33

seireikhaan

12-15-2012, 09:56

Out of curiosity, can we know what exactly this investigative item is? Or where it came from?

White_eyes:D

12-15-2012, 10:03

I believe you Pizzaguy. That does not happen often but I think you're finally being honest about what you think/suspect.

In a crazy way, it does make what I thought was a recruitment write-up make more sense. What if it was a frame write-up?
I was wondering why Khaan would have his scan item stolen and why the Air Headmaster would suddenly have it, then give it to you. Khaan was doing a good job with it, it would only benefit scum to steal it.:book:

Deep in the catacombs of the College, in a hidden room, hooded character was conducting dark ritual. He was laying at the middle of a circle of candles. Then, when he stand up, all candles flared with flames. 'Dark Mistress, give me the power to enlighten non-believers', he prayed. With those words, he kneeled. During next two hours, he was chanting, reciting hymns, and offering sacrifices from his own blood. He was kneeling almost still, but his shadow was dancing around, swirling and whirling. At the end of ritual, hooded man used silver knife to separate shadow from his body. The mass of darkness slipped away from the ring of candles, and dissapeared in even deeper darkness surrounding it.
Either way both edse and Ironside are dead man. I have no intention of letting either live past this night phase to try and recruit tomorrow. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 12:03

Possibly? Alibi and all? I don't know, and I don't really want to lynch you. But if you're scum you have to go. And if you come up town, bye bye Pizza.

Looking at suspect number two, a possible collaborator with the Ironside scheme.

Visor is really interested in "maximum damage" here. He wants edse dead, and then me right after it.

He's gleeful in his bloodlust. It sounds to me like a confident scum who knows his plan is working.

Visorslash, you are officially my top suspect of working with Ironside to attempt to frame and cause the mislynch of Edse and myself. Out of everyone else in the thread, your responses strike me as the most similar to what I would be thinking and feeling if I had rolled up my sleeves and hatched this very plot.

Ironside obviously isn't the starting scumbag and he has help. There are infiltrators within the colleges, and it stands to reason that one is in the water college.

Except Edse isn't the source of this corruption. Of the folks trying to cause the wrong death, from the water camp, Visor is clearly the one grinning like a Cheshire Cat.

You're on notice, sir Visorslash. If and when Ironside flips scum, I am going to be requesting your death as the immediate follow-up. And I beg the Water College forgiveness for wrongfully accusing their leader, and not accusing the correct person within their ranks.

Wand of Suspicion- Visorslash

Vote remains on Ironside. Now let's find your remaining accomplices.

But seriously, did you ever scan a headmaster before this? I personally believe that they flip "Special" in there corruption score.

Regardless, I VERY suspicious of the Air Colleges motive's by how ATPG is acting. (It's like he knows that the result is going to be an innocent townie and is trying to redirect blame):inquisitive:

White_Eyes, here's an interesting enough character.

I'm not sold yet. I get the feeling that he wants a similar level of destruction, particularly a partisan kind of destruction, but at the same time, it feels very much the same as his usual zeal for the wrong lynches.

I could go either way here. He hasn't given me a major "tell" like Visor has, so I can't read him with much confidence at the moment.

Really it depends on which way he ultimately votes. Will he spare his own headmaster and make good his threats against the Air College, specifically against the only person in the game besides myself who could have engineered a plot against edse?

Where goes his vote next, interests me.

The question is, can he let go of his unresolved sexual tension for me and work with me, or must he always assume that I am the rotten core of every apple of evil.

White_Eyes, if I can count on one person to let go of the rational and embrace the insanity it is you.

Join me, and together we can rule the Gameroom, as conquerors of scum.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 12:11

Well, at least I can post freely now.

ATPG, you accuse me for playing you as a fool because Jarema just confirmed that original headmasters can be corrupted. Edse is assumed innocent because it showed special as as scan and because he was a starting guild member. The one thing that confirms my guilt according to you is also the one thing that condemns edse...

No, it is not Jarema confirming that headmasters can become corrupted.

I knew edse was innocent by simply listening to him.

I have how many years of experience reading people? I'm not perfect, not claiming to be. But edse's defense is not the defense of a caught scumbag. It is the protestations of a townie with no defense to a really bad accusation from which there is no counter-argument.

Ironside you're the only one in the game who could have done this to me and edse. And if you were townie, I think your brain would be doing backflips at the utter betrayal I just pulled on you.

I fully expect to become the most hated townie of this game if I'm wrong, and if you're innocent, you're the first person to know I'm wrong. Why the poker face?

Why the immediate changing of the subject?

One does not casually dismiss and pretend what just happened didn't just happen. There's a serious error here. If I am wrong, you should be telling me off and telling everyone else how wrong I am, and how I've ruined the college of Air's chances of winning with my bone-headedness.

Instead, you respond like that british fellow who was accused of cheating on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. Basically "oh thanks for informing me you've called the police and accused me of cheating. Have a lovely day."

I get a practiced poker face instead of genuine reaction.

So what are you hiding, except for what I've accused you of? Or do you typically no-react when people accuse you of the most outrageous and unlikely things ever to have happened in any mafia game any of us have ever played?

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 12:39

Out of curiosity, can we know what exactly this investigative item is? Or where it came from?

I have a request for mister Khaan, helpful finder of ye olde scumbags.

I would greatly appreciate some assistance from your College in taking out Ironside. I shouldn't have to tell you that we probably won't lynch him today, particularly without your votes, and that he will undoubtedly expect the attack is coming.

I also don't want to put my own college members of the pain of being asked to attack our HM based on reads and no proof. But I figure since you're Geodudes, you might be more persuaded to attack the college that has been taking potshots at your members. As they were largely coordinated by Ironside and co, now is your chance for a little justice that serves two purposes, revenge and just plain good for town behavior.

As for Edse, I expect I will have not convinced everyone or anyone of his innocence so whoever wishes to can fire at will.

But I'd request a little assistance taking out the Water College's infiltrator, funnily enough, by members of that college. They clearly have one, and IMNSHO it is not Edse for he is the sacrificial lamb targeted by the spoof.

You all personally know that you are not guilty, and if I'm right, you can probably cross off Edse as scummo.

Doesn't Visorslash's change in tone and opinion over the course of the game strike you as the most likely infiltrator of your college?

If you agree, I'd request permissions to attack that man. You need not do the deed yourself unless you want to.

If there is someone else you suspect more, tell me now, we do not have much time to plan our response to the scums.

Prediction is we mislynch someone today and night is supposed to be short, so just like in big team games we need to get ready to do something big tonight and that requires planning ahead.

Assume the lynch is Edse or Xenoneb, and the lynch is bad. Can we agree on tonight's targets and/or a place to start tomorrow?

And don't ask me to scan anything. I have to give this scanning item away today to someone willing to take it, so that there is a chance the scums cannot spoof the investigations anymore. Not that this is my top concern, because as I said before, detectives blow. And I'm not talking about gusts of wind, here.

Do me a favor:

Could a whole bunch of you just send Jarema orders now to "accept" the Lens from Askthepizzaguy? That way, I don't have to reveal in-thread who I am sending it to, and if I give it to a townie, they might actually be able to do something productive with it tonight. I clearly cannot be trusted to provide reliable results because the scums know that I have the item. It's utterly useless in my hands.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 12:43

And in sending such orders also post in thread that you're a willing and able recipient of the item?

I don't want to give the item to someone who won't accept it, but I do need to keep the scums guessing and I cannot hand it off anonymously any other way besides this.

Also sorry about the lack of time remaining in the round. Took me a while to work this out. You don't mind time pressure, do you, fellow townies?

I think not.

Ferret

12-15-2012, 13:02

No, no, no, NO, NO!

This is utterly ridiculous. Jarema said that the starting heads can become corrupted, NOT that they can become mafia. Those are two VERY different things. I'm not saying it's definitely impossible but I still it think that's the way the game works and it is by no means stated by the host as being possible. However it says nothing in the rules about the starting wielders even starting as innocent so edse can stop using that as an excuse right now.

I think he has no defence, because he has no defence. Just because he is mafia doesn't mean he's going to be brilliant at creating an alibi, maybe he made the first two posts before realising what was happening? By that point it was already to late to dig himself out of the hole. Hell, he could even be double bluffing, it's easy enough to act like a townie. Your argument against Ironside relies on what? Edse having no defence, which proves nothing, and an item existing that can alter the outcome of an investigation, which I find unlikely at best. I really can't imagine Jarema creating an item that can only have an effect when the user knows who holds another specific item and who they are going to use it on. Ironside has been a solid college head for the whole game, nothing he has done or said has been remotely suspicious. All that he has going against him is this convoluted and extremely unlikely idea of yours.

ATPG has been setting my scum detector off since almost the very start of the game. The one thing that even slightly alleivated my suspicions was that El Barto turned out to be innocent. But all that means is that ATPG was probably innocent on day 1. As he has said himself, he is a ripe target for mafia recruitment. I can't understand how he keeps using his mason roots as a defence. As far as I'm concerned this proves absolutely nothing.

There are three possible guilty parties as a result of this investigation, not two, and they are in the order:

edse>ATPG>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ironside

What kind of twisted logic could possibly make you want to start with the least likely? Don't blindly follow ATPG townies, think for yourselves.

Edit: And with regards to the scanning item I believe it is the Lens of Elemental Vision, which 'Khaan gave to TinCow and then TinCow passed on to ATPG just before he died. Ironside has never had it White Eyes, nor was it ever stolen.

White_eyes:D

12-15-2012, 13:06

Water, why did you pin me as earth and Tincow as fire btw?
That was edse's guesses, I knew you were in the Air college but not it's headmaster. TinCow was a mistake pure and simple, I was the one who suddenly suggested it.(I had the impression that they were not going to join in like with Ken, but they surprised me.)

@Pizzaguy: We always have tension for whatever reason, going to need to work that out sometime.:clown:

Your also right, there must be a scumbag in the College of Water. El Barto and Lazy being killed by fire were no random lucky guesses. Somebody in the College was trying to kill off the new Headmaster. Thing is that Visorslash was busy on most of the night's where this stuff occurred.

I was just looking over our QT and realized that I made a bone-headed error. I accused El Barto of being the one to admit being approached by the Air headmaster but that Visorslash also admitted to it as well, take that for what you will but I think you can't be in two college's.:shrug:

White_eyes:D

12-15-2012, 13:11

However it says nothing in the rules about the starting wielders even starting as innocent so edse can stop using that as an excuse right now. I poked the host and he should clarify that in case you missed the QT update somewhere.:book:

NinjaCow64

12-15-2012, 13:12

I'd say go with Pizza. The best course of action would be to lynch edse, nightkill Ironside and if edse comes out guilty or Ironside comes out innocent (which I doubt) then we kill ATPG. Because there are two dangerous types of Pizza, Wrong Pizza and Scumbag Pizza. I shouldn't have to explain why Scumbag Pizza is dangerous (Scumbags are really unpleasant to have down your throat), but Wrong Pizza is just as bad. Wrong Pizza is a Townie Pizza who gets it wrong, yet everyone listens to him. The Mafia enjoy this kind of Pizza, I was laughing my dead Mafioso head off in ATOC on the CFC forums when Pizza was just getting it wrong and the town was following him.

tl;dr: If ATPG's theory is wrong, then lynch him. It's the only way to be sure.

NinjaCow64

12-15-2012, 13:16

FROM TEH RULEZ:

4. Heads of colleges are guaranteed innocents – at least at the begining(sic) of the game.

Doesn't say anything about Headmaster's can't be Mafia. No sir.

Ferret

12-15-2012, 13:16

I would much rather test out ATPG's theory after he's dead. That way if he is lying and turns out to be mafia we won't lose two innocent college heads...

Edit: No but it implies it. That wording can be interpreted in two ways:

1. People that become college heads after the start of the game can be mafia.
2. Starting college heads can become mafia but aren't at the beginning.

I took it to mean the first one but obviously only Jarema knows what he really meant.

Visor

12-15-2012, 13:17

Doesn't say anything about Headmaster's can't be Mafia. No sir.

I'll assume that is sarcasm. For our viewers at home however, edse can't be mafia, only cult.

Visor

12-15-2012, 13:20

That was edse's guesses, I knew you were in the Air college but not it's headmaster. TinCow was a mistake pure and simple, I was the one who suddenly suggested it.(I had the impression that they were not going to join in like with Ken, but they surprised me.)

@Pizzaguy: We always have tension for whatever reason, going to need to work that out sometime.:clown:

Your also right, there must be a scumbag in the College of Water. El Barto and Lazy being killed by fire were no random lucky guesses. Somebody in the College was trying to kill off the new Headmaster. Thing is that Visorslash was busy on most of the night's where this stuff occurred.

I was just looking over our QT and realized that I made a bone-headed error. I accused El Barto of being the one to admit being approached by the Air headmaster but that Visorslash also admitted to it as well, take that for what you will but I think you can't be in two college's.:shrug:
I can't be in two colleges, but I was approached by two people. I accepted the Water invite, considering I had superior skill in water.

White_eyes:D

12-15-2012, 13:28

Ironside

12-15-2012, 13:44

One does not casually dismiss and pretend what just happened didn't just happen. There's a serious error here. If I am wrong, you should be telling me off and telling everyone else how wrong I am, and how I've ruined the college of Air's chances of winning with my bone-headedness.

Instead, you respond like that british fellow who was accused of cheating on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire. Basically "oh thanks for informing me you've called the police and accused me of cheating. Have a lovely day."

I get a practiced poker face instead of genuine reaction.

So what are you hiding, except for what I've accused you of? Or do you typically no-react when people accuse you of the most outrageous and unlikely things ever to have happened in any mafia game any of us have ever played?

Well. I'll be blunt. Yes I am. If someone accuses me of being a 4-headed alien, I'm not going to react strongly to it. Your accusation is something in between, since it's simply bizarre, but not impossible (even if it involves brilliant idiocy on a level I wouldn't pull), so I'm not sure exactly how to treat it. Yes it's going to be harder for air, but the only one revealed is me and I've been itching to be able to post freely instead of doing hide and seek with 'khaan. No great loss, in particular since we do have a truce. It's more one member has gone crazy, rather than "you ruined everything!"

And edse, here's a million dollar question. What's your earth AV and DV?

ATPG did give a number on those. And today, in particular since in involves thread control (very active ATPG is suspect ATPG) together with the qt insistance that he's recruiting immune due to his mason status (after he had a dead partner), does make me wonder if he haven't been converted.

I'll be promoting Alsark then due to this mess instead of scanning. Keeps me in confirmable lockdown. And I'll order ATPG to do something similar.

Ferret

12-15-2012, 14:04

Another issue is that we gain corruption from lynching/killing the wrong people. I think the Mafia's objective is to get our corruption high enough...(Since in the OP, it mentions the Mafia has "Unknown" victory conditions, rather then just "kill everyone"):book:

If we lynch edse and he is innocent, everyone who voted him gain's corruption from it. I don't think it's a good thing to gather too much of it.(Why my vote is staying off him or Ironside, I am settling this like a real mage would.)

This might not be the case. I only have 1 corruption despite having votes on the lynches of NinjaCow and Ignoramus, who were both innocent. It's still unclear exactly how corruption is gained when it comes to lynching. Besides if we all behaved like that then the mafia would be able to lynch whoever they liked. Having between 1 and 3 corruption shouldn't be a problem anyway.

edse

12-15-2012, 14:39

Earth av/dv is 1/2 as it were from the beginning.

the others are fire 0/1, air 1/2 and water 4/2

My 1 corruption point is from lynching ninjacow.

edse

12-15-2012, 14:47

TinCow

12-15-2012, 15:21

As a confirmed innocent Air student, I would like to note that I trust Ironside over ATPG. I believe edse should be lynched and, if he flips innocent, we can thing pick between ATPG and Ironside. However, between the two I'd prefer an ATPG lynch. ATPG's actions have increasingly skewed towards his typical anti-town chaos; if someone was recruited I think it's more likely it was ATPG than Ironside. This is exactly the kind of situation that ATPG would engineer to cause chaos in an otherwise relatively peaceful and united town. Still, lynch edse first.

White_eyes:D

12-15-2012, 15:39

Still, lynch edse first. Night-kill him or you get nothing.:brood:

TinCow

12-15-2012, 15:40

I would happily do so, but thanks to you I seem to be unable. He's going to be difficult to kill at night now anyway because clearly he's going to be expecting to be attacked. His defenses will be up, and you will probably be helping with that as well. Lynching is really the only decent option.

Jarema

12-15-2012, 16:21

Edit: No but it implies it. That wording can be interpreted in two ways:

1. People that become college heads after the start of the game can be non-innocents.
2. Starting college heads can become non-innocents but aren't at the beginning.

fxed for you, now it is what I mean (both 1 and 2)

Jarema

12-15-2012, 16:42

Tally (I hope):

6 Edse: Elite Ferret, Alsark, issaikhaan, Ironside, Visorslash, johnhughtom
2 Xenoneb: White_eyes:D, Chaotix
2 Ironside: ATPG, edse

5 No Vote: Captain Blackadder, Autolycus, Memnon, Xenoneb, Robbiecon

Ferret

12-15-2012, 17:21

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

Riedquat

12-15-2012, 17:49

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My master says you are not amusing anymore and he needs to look for a new puppet, suggestions accepted!
My master also ask, Are you freaking crazy?

No, no, no, NO, NO!

This is utterly ridiculous. Jarema said that the starting heads can become corrupted, NOT that they can become mafia. Those are two VERY different things.

Those are different things to you... TO YOU! Look I can't explain it for obvious reasons, but as I and my mates didn't have a clue what college masters do at night, you innocent people don't have a freaking clue how corruption works.

Doesn't say anything about Headmaster's can't be Mafia. No sir.

See, a master... without a freaking clue about corruption :no:

Another issue is that we gain corruption from lynching/killing the wrong people. I think the Mafia's objective is to get our corruption high enough...(Since in the OP, it mentions the Mafia has "Unknown" victory conditions, rather then just "kill everyone"):book:

If we lynch edse and he is innocent, everyone who voted him gain's corruption from it. I don't think it's a good thing to gather too much of it.(Why my vote is staying off him or Ironside, I am settling this like a real mage would.)

I think I mentioned the cult VC's while alive, I don't see the point of raising your corruption when I wanted to raise mine, not saying is impossible, no clue about the other group VC's

Having between 1 and 3 corruption shouldn't be a problem anyway.

You lynched half of us for having that amount... :stare:

Earth av/dv is 1/2 as it were from the beginning.

the others are fire 0/1, air 1/2 and water 4/2

My 1 corruption point is from lynching ninjacow.

:laugh4: And HP 12 right? You should be lynched for having so lame stats!! :laugh4:

As a confirmed innocent Air student, I would like to note that I trust Ironside over ATPG. I believe edse should be lynched and, if he flips innocent, we can thing pick between ATPG and Ironside. However, between the two I'd prefer an ATPG lynch. ATPG's actions have increasingly skewed towards his typical anti-town chaos; if someone was recruited I think it's more likely it was ATPG than Ironside. This is exactly the kind of situation that ATPG would engineer to cause chaos in an otherwise relatively peaceful and united town. Still, lynch edse first.

As a confirmed scum I strongly agree with Tincow, yet I would suggest a more drastic course of action, lynch edse now, whatever he turns to be, vig both Atpg and Ironside, but be sure at least one of them dies! Lynch the other tomorrow.

Ferret

12-15-2012, 17:59

You lynched half of us for having that amount... :stare:

We lynched you for admitting you were in a cult...

Riedquat

12-15-2012, 18:21

We lynched you for admitting you were in a cult...

Yeah right, because crying out loud and accusing khaan of a faulty result was going to save me... is working great for edse and he is a headmaster... :laugh4:

Chaotix

12-15-2012, 19:33

ATPG, I will accept the elemental lens if you still want to give it out.

Just letting you know your options. I think you are wrong about edse, but best to keep the options open till we know which is right.

Also if you are right somebody is probably going to kill you tonight, which means its a good idea to give out the lens regardless.

Anyway. This game is getting a little too crazy for me. I thought we had almost won it already, and now this shenanigans comes up with FIVE pages in a single day phase. Not cool, mang.

Jarema

12-15-2012, 20:00

This was a day of a fierce discussion. First, one student, called Askthepizzaguy, accused Edse of being utterly corrupted, and, therefore, scum. But then, he withdrawn his accusation and started to mount another cases... But people were sold on his first lead, arguing that items cannot lie. So, Edse was lynched.
Edse was head of Hydromancers! He was innocent Fluid Sculpture was found on his body. It will be given to the College of Waves

Night begins.

Chaotix

12-15-2012, 20:32

Crap.

Add another tally mark to the "ATPG was right" board.

Somebody is going to pay for this.

Ferret

12-15-2012, 20:45

Please don't forget the possibility that he is responsible for this. We now know that one of two people is mafia, this is hardly that bad a situation to be in.

TinCow

12-15-2012, 21:50

Hah, serves me right. So, ATPG or Ironside. One of them is likely scum. This will take some contemplation.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 21:57

Now, it is finished.

I am either guilty or Ironside is. I warned you all. You failed to act, because you lack the cojones that I have. :clown:

I'm kidding. Remember ATPG is a character I play and damn if it doesn't feel good to play him today.

In all seriousness, I gave you everything you needed. The host confirmed headmasters can become corrupted. EVERY PERSON who has seen the Aeromancers quicktopics KNOWS FOR A FACT that only Ironside or myself (or Tincow, but he's died and flipped already) knew what we were doing last night.

The fact of the matter, boys and girls, is that either myself or Ironside caused this to happen.

The fact is, Ironside made sure the item got to me.

Ironside told me who to scan.

I'm a claimed mason with an investigatory item and I am not being killed off like El Barto was.

I was told to scan Edse and I faithfully reported the result, OR, I am guilty.

But I also deduced, just from talking to Edse, in front of all of you, and found out that he was innocent. Because, as HHH would put it, I am the game, and I am that, damn, good.

So you have two choices.

Either Askthepizzaguy is guilty, or Ironside is.

And now I have additional targets for you.

Visorslash looks guilty, and so does Elite Ferret. But you must begin with Ironside.

These are the people most directly responsible for this.

Keep in mind,

Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.

Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.

I want to say that I warned you. Perhaps too late, but I would think a day's time is plenty of warning that the scan is wrong and a half day should be plenty of time to get the suspect right.

Now you must listen.

I have made your choices very simple. Either I am guilty or Ironside is, (or both).

So let's finish this. Askthepizzaguy goes out in a blaze of absolute glory.

I invite EVERYONE In THE GAME to attack Ironside *AND* myself. Divide it up 50/50 if you like.

When Ironside flips scum, you must destroy Visorslash, and then Elite Ferret, in that order, and keep an eye on Alsark. Given what I know of Ironside now, it cannot be assumed that the events of last night weren't a deliberate alibi-creation device.

And I have outed everyone in the Wind College. All of these people could have been my allies, and had been trusting me. So ask yourselves why, if I am scum, I didn't just accept the edse lynch today, and why I tossed all my college-mates to the wolves.

I know it's unpalatable, but sometimes crazy old Pizzaman is right. It's time for someone to pay the piper, and if you lack the vision to determine which it is, I cordially invite you to hedge your bets.

Also, after the game, someone owes me some congratulations for sniffing this plot out before it even happened. Have you ever seen someone do this in a game before? I freaking rule. You better believe it.

Ferret

12-15-2012, 22:38

Keep in mind,

Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.

Just to clarify this for everyone: I was suspicious of ATPG's behaviour and mason claim (as I have already mentioned here) so I put those suspicions up in the quicktopic expecting ATPG to simply inform me of why they were false and how he wasn't mafia. If he was innocent this would have been easy to do. Instead he got agressive and pulled out an OMGUS accusation on me, saying that I must be scum for 'shooting down' his wonderful idea of giving the head of our rival college a useful item. His only reasoning was: "you're probably dangerous to the town given your anti-Earth attitude", which is ridiculous, especially as TinCow opposed it just as strongly as I did. I accused him of being mafia once, and he reacted waaay stronger than was needed.

Ironside did not talk him out of it, in fact he actually agreed with ATPG. This line is a clear and pathetic attempt to make me and Ironside look cosy, to support his theory about us both being mafia. Everyone in the college of wind knows this is not true. Ironside has shown preference to ATPG at every opportunity, he was recruited before me, promoted to disciple before me, promoted to wielder before me and given the Lens instead of me.

Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.

Yeah because you won't flip college of wind will you? It'll be something different. :stare:

I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.

I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.

edse

12-15-2012, 22:45

Mmm

What happen to people who lynch their own headmaster? Didn't Jarema mention something horrible?

So, Elite Ferret, you thought ATPG was scum and yet advocated my lynch based on his scan result

Ironside

12-15-2012, 22:53

I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.

I fear that we are dealing with the last scenario actually. I know I'm innocent and ATPG does appear to have scanned edse (av and dv matches). In light of that:

'khaan, pick one (none of below is an option). It won't hurt. Much.

Memnon
Robbiecon
Johnhughtom

Edit:
Now I don't mind me being wrong, so I'll prefer you taking down ATPG first. I'll be in permanent confirmable order lockdown anyway, so I can't do anything more than 1 unsupervised night action. And I would already do it tonight if I was scum.

Riedquat

12-15-2012, 22:57

Oh god! this is too good to let it pass!!!

I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.

:laugh4: He knew what was going to happen!! This is what happens! How much corruption do you got Atpg? Tell us how it feels?

I really wish to be alive to perform the hit...:no:

seireikhaan

12-15-2012, 23:00

Huh. Well I'll be darned. Guess there's some interesting decisions tonight.

TinCow

12-15-2012, 23:09

Alright, so here's what we know to be true. ATPG scanned edse, got an Utterly Corrupted result, but edse flipped innocent. That means that either ATPG was lying about the result, or something interfered with the result. If something interfered with the result, odds are very high that someone who knew about the investigation plan was involved in skewing the scan. Otherwise, the odds of successfully predicting who a scan would be performed on on any particular night are very low. I don't think it's realistic that the scum would waste a night action this late in the game just randomly hoping that a scan would occur on a particular target. As ATPG has said, only three people knew about his plan to scan edse before it happened, him, me, and Ironside. I am dead and innocent; that leaves ATPG and Ironside. ATPG is correct that he was ordered to scan edse by Ironside, though he is incorrect that Ironside ordered that he be given the Lenses. That was actually my suggestion, and Ironside simply acquiesced to it.

Before edse's lynch, I said that the second most likely option was that ATPG was scum, with Ironside-as-scum being the least likely option. In hindsight, that was because I thought it unlikely that edse would flip innocent, which was both prejudicing my perception of ATPG's argument and making me put relatively little effort into analysis of that scenario. Since that scenario is now reality, I cannot reach the same conclusion that I did before. ATPG's actions are absolutely insane if he is scum; by that I mean just plain dumb, not the usual ATPG being predictably unpredictable. When ATPG tries to frame someone, he doesn't do a lazy job that instantly points the finger at him as the obvious culprit once the frame-job is revealed, particularly in a game where that reveal is instantaneous. Ironside has done a superb job leading the Air college throughout this game and it is a shame it has to come to this, but I am forced to conclude that he was recruited and intentionally engineered this situation. I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

As a side note, this entire situation also makes me FoS: 'khaan. If one headmaster can be recruited, then so can another. If I was mafia, 'khaan would be recruitment target number one after the failure to kill him several nights before. I suggest that the Earth college perform some scrutiny on 'khaan's QT statements throughout the game, and see if you notice a shift in his behavior at any point.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 23:17

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 23:21

Riedquat

12-15-2012, 23:30

For the record, I'm an evil, evil bastard and I would have loved to have become scum this game, and I would have come to any team pre-corrupted if Ironside had let me.

But nay, I never increased my corruption, and so therefore, I have pathetic defenses. You can kill me easily.

I am attacking Ironside tonight. Join me?

I wish! :P

Just a non bad intentioned question, this item you used, originally had any restriction of any kind? That shield of awesomeness we voted first day had a limitation, only non corrupted townies could use it or something like that, if these lenses had something similar... You don't have any corruption at all? Something that messed up the investigation result?

While I really like this scenario, something seems to be wrong...

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 23:31

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 23:34

I wish! :P

Just a non bad intentioned question, this item you used, originally had any restriction of any kind? That shield of awesomeness we voted first day had a limitation, only non corrupted townies could use it or something like that, if these lenses had something similar... You don't have any corruption at all? Something that messed up the investigation result?

While I really like this scenario, something seems to be wrong...

You're enjoying yourself entirely too much, dead man. Your veneer of confidence seems to be a put-on, as you've celebrated all of our choices most vociferously, even the ones which were truly a negative for you. So you're simply trying to keep up the charade.

Do enjoy yourself, I know I would in your situation. But reverse psychology is child's play to deconstruct. Try something more challenging.

seireikhaan

12-15-2012, 23:38

Heads up to the rock peoples:

Alsark asked Ironside about attacking Khaan (heck, I've been a big cheerleader for attacking the rock peoples in private too) and Ironside declined.

So, although I want, very much, to believe that Khaan is still on the town's side, the possibility is that the Geomancer headmaster is corrupted along with Ironside, just as Tincow has reluctantly suggested.

Khaan, you're a beautiful human being, especially in this game. I love ya, but I have to put you on that suspect list as well. But if you're town, then you still have time to help the others take down Ironside or myself.

Whichever you prefer, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I won't take it personally if you choose me, after all, I am pointing fingers at you.
When was this asked? If he was guilty, why would he not agree to attacking me? It would mean either we are both scum, or he has a very wonky strategy that involves not killing off direct rivals that got a bunch of his buddies lynched. This seems almost like a bait thing to put out there to try and force me into attacking Ironside. I... don't much appreciate being blackmailed.

Visor

12-15-2012, 23:45

Still can't read me Pizza? :clown:

I will reply to the text walls soon.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 23:50

Don't blindly follow ATPG townies, think for yourselves.

Where have I heard this before?

Nobody was even following me besides edse. Gosh you scums frighten easily.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 23:52

When was this asked? If he was guilty, why would he not agree to attacking me? It would mean either we are both scum, or he has a very wonky strategy that involves not killing off direct rivals that got a bunch of his buddies lynched. This seems almost like a bait thing to put out there to try and force me into attacking Ironside. I... don't much appreciate being blackmailed.

LOL

Khaan, you're one of my favorite players for a reason. I toss roses at your feet. Bravo on the delivery of that line.

In case you're wondering, this was just last night. So it was during the period when ironside was guilty.

Askthepizzaguy

12-15-2012, 23:53

Still can't read me Pizza? :clown:

I will reply to the text walls soon.

I'm doing a better job reading than you are.

Love your dropping in via mobile to urge people to vote for edse right as I finished speechifying.

I'm out with friends. If anything else of note has been posted I may change my vote. ATM I think we should lynch edse.

Visor

12-15-2012, 23:57

I'm doing a better job reading than you are.

Love your dropping in via mobile to urge people to vote for edse right as I finished speechifying.

To be fair, all my posts have been via mobile device since ATPG mafia 2 (and I don't know why). I posted that before I left (not that you will believe me/or that it matters).

I think I can be a lot more convincing then: I think we should lynch edse. Don't you?

Riedquat

12-16-2012, 00:08

You're enjoying yourself entirely too much, dead man. Your veneer of confidence seems to be a put-on, as you've celebrated all of our choices most vociferously, even the ones which were truly a negative for you. So you're simply trying to keep up the charade.

Do enjoy yourself, I know I would in your situation. But reverse psychology is child's play to deconstruct. Try something more challenging.

I certainly am, but that question I made was sincere. Ironside manipulating you at this stage of the game sounds odd to me, I have fun messing with town's minds but in the end I want to get rid of the other scum team, believe it or not! :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 00:13

looking at the vote tally, I think it is clear where the scums actually are.

Tally (I hope):

6 Edse: Elite Ferret, Alsark, issaikhaan, Ironside, Visorslash, johnhughtom
2 Xenoneb: White_eyes:D, Chaotix
2 Ironside: ATPG, edse

5 No Vote: Captain Blackadder, Autolycus, Memnon, Xenoneb, Robbiecon

Let's see.

Scums: Ironside (duh) Elite Ferret (next most likely), Visorslash (next most likely) khaan (we'll see)

Folks I feel weren't working with Ironside: Alsark (due to their conversations and difference of opinion in the QT, now that I think about it) Xenoneb (the other proposed lynchee for today) and a smattering of folks who didn't bother to vote.

What's fun about this is I feel the scums are very interested in the game, and voting, and commenting on the game.

Meanwhile, certain townies are lost and confused. Most of the no-voters are townie. A very large portion of the voters will have been scum today.

Town cannot win at this rate unless the quiet townies wake up and assist. This is going to be one-sided from here on out unless you folks participate.

Further, if my wand of suspicion is pointed at you, the only thing that will reverse my opinion at this point, is assisting in the destruction of the other names in red/maroon. Those are my top suspects, and even if you're wrongly suspected, you can still help achieve a town win by pointing your magic at the others. Potentially, ending the game before it becomes necessary to suspect you at all.

________________________

I could use some assistance. Who could be clear as being the cult leader?

Myself due to masonry, Ironside due to headmastery, khaan due to headmastery (not that at least one of them isn't scum). Who else was a starting member of a college?

Killing off the recruits is all well and good, but I need to deduce who is the head of the snake so that it can be cut off.

Visor

12-16-2012, 00:26

Considering I attempted to have Elite Ferret killed earlier in the game, I should get a free pass. :laugh4:

Ironside

12-16-2012, 00:33

I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

Don't bother, I'm not controlling the guild item and won't protect myself either. I hoped to prove it by observing the lack of corruption in an attack and actually doing something useful. Still plans to. That's why I'm still waiting on an answer 'Khaan.

I think our attack on Autolycus proves lack of corruption. It's 5+4+2+1= 12 unmigated damage done. I'm not sure of how it stacks, but ATPG:s corruption of 2 (how did you get that second point btw?) should be the highest value. I think only the highest value counts.

I'll order grand nuke. Neither me nor ATPG shall survive tomorrow. 3 dead, my guild crippled, but at least this buissness will be over in 1 round. Congratulations, mr scan disrupter.

Earth, take out ATPG.
Water take out me.
You can swap if you want. But earth has more firepower I think.
Elite Ferret attack ATPG.
Alsark attack me.

ATPG has claimed to attack me, so I'll be needing less damage to be taken out.
My stats:
XP 3 HP 12/12 CS 1 Fire 1, 3 Earth 0, 3 Water 1, 2 Air 5, 2

ATPG:s by claim in thread:
XP: 5 HP: 11/13 CS: 2
Fire: 1, 2; Earth: 0, 2; Water: 0, 2; Air: 2, 2.
hp should be 12 and air 4 now I think, based on regeneration and recommended xp spending.

If a scum faction recruits me tonight for the lols, I'll be petty, very, very petty. For a very, very long time. Enjoy.

Ferret

12-16-2012, 00:37

So, Elite Ferret, you thought ATPG was scum and yet advocated my lynch based on his scan result

I was suspicious of him then yes, but I still didn't think he would be so brazen as to fake an investigation.

Alsark asked Ironside about attacking Khaan (heck, I've been a big cheerleader for attacking the rock peoples in private too) and Ironside declined.

So, although I want, very much, to believe that Khaan is still on the town's side, the possibility is that the Geomancer headmaster is corrupted along with Ironside, just as Tincow has reluctantly suggested..

So are you saying that if you were the college head, and innocent, you would have said that Alsark should attack Khaan? This is the most absurd scum evidence I have ever seen. Khaan may well be mafia, but Ironside denying this attack in no way proves it.

Tonight I will attack ATPG. If he flips innocent I will vote for Ironside tomorrow. One of the two has surely got to be guilty, I still feel it is more likely to be ATPG so I would prefer to remove him first. Either way the guilty one will get a night action off tonight, either way the guilty one will be dead by the next night.

Edit: good to see my college head has the same plan for me.

I have a very bad feeling about this though. I'm starting to think you might both be innocent...

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 00:45

I'm loving Ironside posting his stats and saying well, if ATPG is attacking me, you'll need fewer people.

LUL.

And Elite Ferret attacking me, I didn't see that coming at all. :laugh4:

I love the promises to vote for Ironside after I flip townie. I also love Ironside saying how he'll be mad if someone converts him to scum tonight.

Foreshadowing much?

Town's going to lose this game but man, oh man, has this round been entertaining and quite telling.

EF is scummier than Visorslash atm.

I recommend that NOBODY follows Ironside's suggested course of action. Decide for yourselves who to attack. Asking the college of water to take care of himself is so very scummy.

Attack me with everything you've got. I'm not scared. But man, these guys certainly feel scared to me.

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 00:46

Considering I attempted to have Elite Ferret killed earlier in the game, I should get a free pass. :laugh4:

That logic doesn't apply too well in a game of recruitment.

Prove you're still a good lad, and kill Ironside. Or Elite Ferret, if you so fancy.

edse

12-16-2012, 00:50

I was suspicious of him then yes, but I still didn't think he would be so brazen as to fake an investigation. but now that I'm cleared you believe he did it.

Ironside

12-16-2012, 00:55

I recommend that NOBODY follows Ironside's suggested course of action. Decide for yourselves who to attack. Asking the college of water to take care of himself is so very scummy.

Attack me with everything you've got. I'm not scared. But man, these guys certainly feel scared to me.

Honestly? I don't care who attacks who. What I do care that both of us ends up dead to end this. That'll require coordination.

Had I recommended the opposite, you'd also taunt. I'm in cohorts with 'khaan as well, remember. And I would've sent my most loyal guildie to attack myself.

Ferret

12-16-2012, 01:00

Yeah it would probably be best to sort out coordinated attacks in the thread. If we jus tlet everyone do their own thing then it could easily end up with no one dying and us wasting the night phase. Don't forget about the power of haste, that can make both of you pretty much immune to infinite individual attacks but wouldn't be able to stop a coordinated attack from a group of four or so.

but now that I'm cleared you believe he did it.

I'm not sure what I believe anymore. In any case, at the time I had no reason to distrust the scan so I was all for your lynch. It was wrong and I apologise :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 01:19

It was wrong and I apologise :bow:

Well, he's dead, so it's.... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka8zUh4gYUw)

You're doubling down on wrong, by attacking me. As such, I can't accept your apology and I most sincerely want you to suffer edse's fate.

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 01:22

I have a very bad feeling about this though. I'm starting to think you might both be innocent...

No townie would be thinking this at all.

Ironside, mayyyyyybe. But not you.

You are totally scum. This post right here is an admission of that.

Tincow, is there any other way to interpret this?

Ferret

12-16-2012, 01:24

It's never too late to apologise! :clown:

To be honest, I think we're all wrong. Everything about this whole fiasco feels wrong.

Edit: Why? I feel as though it's just as likely that the mafia have an item that marks a player as utterly corrupted for the next investigation on them as it is for them to have an item that inteferes with the one off use of another item, which wasn't introduced until a fair way into the game. It's by no means a certainty that either of you are guilty, it's just very likely.

And I am totally not scum, you'll find out when I die, as I surely will soon.

TinCow

12-16-2012, 02:05

Tincow, is there any other way to interpret this?

I agree that EF is very scummy. Ironside+'khaan+EF seems like a sensible FOS squad to me. However, this is all pointless unless Ironside is scum. In order for all this theorizing to work, Ironside has to flip as scum. If he flips as innocent then it all falls apart. So, not much point in worrying about anything other than Ironside at the moment.

I also feel like the town may be boned at this point. This game started with 26 people and we've already killed 4 scum but haven't even touched one of the mafia factions. It's likely the other faction has at least 3, likely 4 of its own. That gives us a total of 8 scum in a 26 player game. which is just under 25% of the players. That's a massive number of scum and very difficult to defeat even without town factions fighting on top of it. If those numbers are correct, we're also facing a situation where of the remaining active players, 30-40% are scum. Unless I'm way off on the strength of the other mafia faction or we get super lucky, I think it's only a question of time before they just kill us all.

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 02:23

I agree that EF is very scummy. Ironside+'khaan+EF seems like a sensible FOS squad to me. However, this is all pointless unless Ironside is scum. In order for all this theorizing to work, Ironside has to flip as scum. If he flips as innocent then it all falls apart. So, not much point in worrying about anything other than Ironside at the moment.

I also feel like the town may be boned at this point. This game started with 26 people and we've already killed 4 scum but haven't even touched one of the mafia factions. It's likely the other faction has at least 3, likely 4 of its own. That gives us a total of 8 scum in a 26 player game. which is just under 25% of the players. That's a massive number of scum and very difficult to defeat even without town factions fighting on top of it. If those numbers are correct, we're also facing a situation where of the remaining active players, 30-40% are scum. Unless I'm way off on the strength of the other mafia faction or we get super lucky, I think it's only a question of time before they just kill us all.

I'm a bit more optimistic.

One of the scum factions is crippled, and the other, I feel, is about to fall like dominoes due to how they've been publicly behaving in concert.

The only, I repeat, only problem is town's passivity. I think we've got scums by the balls, and twisting nice and tight. All I need is a few good wizards.

Chaotix

12-16-2012, 02:33

Does Ironside have the Air artifact?

Because if he does that is going to seriously hamper all of your ability to kill him. Likewise if it somehow wound up on ATPG.

Ferret

12-16-2012, 03:02

I have the air artefact.

Even without it, using haste (as both Ironside and ATPG are able to do) would raise Ironside's DVs up to 5 for fire and earth and 4 for water and air and all of ATPG's DVs up to 4. This would pretty much nullify all but the strongest individual attacks, which is why I suggested we organise some coordinated attacks to make sure we get the job done.

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 03:07

Cute how EF ended up with it, isn't it?

Thaaaaaats not gooood.... :laugh4:

El Barto

12-16-2012, 04:25

Am wondering what my mason partner is smoking in the afterlife.

You don't see how single-minded and uncritical such thinking is?

Detective results are supposed to help us deduce where the scums are- they aren't guaranteed. You still require a central nervous system to determine for yourself whether or not you believe the detective.

I don't believe the detective and I'm the detective.
https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me0d3fY61Z1rxi7uno1_250.jpg

If this is a plot to destroy both Edse and my credibility, then it stands to reason: the architects of this plot also joined in on accusing Edse, and are also advocating severe consequences for his mislynch.

Wand of suspicion: Those people.
You have a wand?

Just tie the vote…
This. Do this next time.

Why does that bother you, scared he'll reveal something about you and your mason buddy? :stare:
My 'mason buddy' ain't no scum. If he were he'd've corrupted me, he knows how much I love it.

I request to be scanned once more. We have so far only lynched members of the cult, when we try to find the members of the second scum team (that probably can't recruit), starting innocents will be worth a lot. I believe there are only three of us left.

This will be my last post for today, when I wake up tomorrow I want you to have answered the following questions: When was I recruited? How did I gain the highest score possible? What evil things have I done as cult? Why have I lynched my fellow cultists? Why have I continued to promote people in my college?

I myself will try to find the answer to "how can they trust a scan result that is obviously wrong?"
Unfortunately, it is too late for this. Now, my headmaster, you can post here without being bound by your body.

Eh... no. We should lynch you. There's plenty of reason for it to be true. You could have been corrupted in a number of ways that we can't verify, since you so rarely show on nights. You claim the investigation is bad/wrong/fraudulent? What's stopping it from *continuing* to be fraudulent? If someone can throw off investigation results, they'll just hit you again and we'll be dancing this same dance tomorrow.
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Don't bother, I'm not controlling the guild item and won't protect myself either. I hoped to prove it by observing the lack of corruption in an attack and actually doing something useful. Still plans to. That's why I'm still waiting on an answer 'Khaan.

I think our attack on Autolycus proves lack of corruption. It's 5+4+2+1= 12 unmigated damage done. I'm not sure of how it stacks, but ATPG:s corruption of 2 (how did you get that second point btw?) should be the highest value. I think only the highest value counts.

I'll order grand nuke. Neither me nor ATPG shall survive tomorrow. 3 dead, my guild crippled, but at least this buissness will be over in 1 round. Congratulations, mr scan disrupter.

Earth, take out ATPG.
Water take out me.
You can swap if you want. But earth has more firepower I think.
Elite Ferret attack ATPG.
Alsark attack me.
What is this I don't even.

NinjaCow64

12-16-2012, 05:30

Yeah, I'm confused as well. Guys, we should attack Ironside first. This splitting of the attacks will probably just let both of them survive. And that would be the worst outcome.

SO: Don't listen to Pizza, just kill Ironside. It's less of a gamble.

NinjaCow64

12-16-2012, 05:31

Oh and thanks for killing the water head, you guys are great. I'd give you some of my famous Chilli Con Carne but I can't because I'm dead. And the Necromancy department is REALLY stretched right now.

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 08:38

SO: Don't listen to Pizza, just kill Ironside. It's less of a gamble.

Errrr yeah that's what I meant, but I immediately assumed the big bad pizza man would absolutely have to die as well, just to persuade anyone to kill Ironside.

If you guys actually want to be awesome like me, you could just kill the bad guys and leave the good guys alive.

Ironside

12-16-2012, 10:19

I can't haste. Original headmasters are too old to remember how to use the wielders abillity appearently. 'Khaan can confirm. And the dead ones can moan about it, if I'm lying.

One nuke each+ vigs are enough for both. ATPG will loose 4-5 hp from EF:s attack, while I'll lose 3-4 from ATPG (his corruption score is higher than mine) and probably 3 from Alsark (if he shows up). Both down below 10 health, so vigable by a 3 man team with 4 AV each.

I'll be formulate exactly why I'll be demanding an apology when this is over ATPG. I've said it before, but not in this condensed form.

Let say I'm into the plan to frame edse and make scans look failable. That's clever true.

Now when edse falls over innocent, what happens next? Innocent ATPG will suspect something, since it's low odds of it being a random framing (and I've already pointed it out earlier aka being aware of the situation) and look how many people knowing about the scan. Behold, by some odd action (since I usually posted all night actions in the main guild topic), I've only posted that in the wielder qt, where only me and ATPG is alive. After edse flips he'll accuse me. By some reason I'll expect that to fail, normal procedure will be done (aka lynch ATPG). When he flips innocent, look who's the next one to accuse. Ironside.

Yes, you have expected me to be that freaking stupid!! :stare:

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 10:24

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 10:41

Also, if you're innocent, then the scums were going to win this anyway regardless of what I did.

I'll die and flip innocent soon enough.

If I never suspected you today Ironside, what would have happened?

Edse would have been lynched without controversy, and then I would have died tonight. That would have led to myself or others suspecting you have meddled with the scan. The same people would have died, in the same order.

So, I'll apologize for being wrong if I'm wrong, but I was correct that the investigation was spoofed and I tried to stop that lynch. If it's not you then there really wasn't anything that could be done in this situation that is in any way logical, rational, or makes sense. Other than using random.org to select our lynch targets, I don't know what other conclusions could have been drawn in this situation.

So I won't apologize for suspecting the scan has been spoofed, and I won't apologize for the fact that nobody besides you or me (and not me, since I'm town) could have knowingly spoofed that scan. That's circumstance working against us that it was random, at that point.

Basically, I drew the only conclusion anyone would have drawn here. Just like folks would draw the conclusion that I was guilty after the scan comes back as incorrect, even though that's a wrong conclusion.

AND my conclusion was at least one better than usual, because if folks had listened to me, they would have avoided the edse mislynch. So I was actually better than would be expected here.

Apologies in advance if you're innocent, but guess what, I am. And there was no other conclusion to draw here. We lost either way if you're innocent, because I am. And we all would have died as a result of this anyway due to the scan being spoofed and me being blamed for it, then likely you.

Ferret

12-16-2012, 12:40

I'd like to point out that's two forced mislynches at the endgame.

Hardly stupid, especially since you're not starting scum but a recruit, so I don't see your point in the slightest.

Scum would never lie to force two mislynches in exchange for a recruit! That's just not done in mafia.

The exact same argument can be applied to you, except you would have more to gain. If you are scum then two college heads will be dead before you are found out. If Ironside is scum then only edse would have been killed. If what you say is true then surely Ironside would have been pressing for you to be killed much, much harder. He would have come straight out with it, not waited until you began stirring a revolt against him. He had been pretty successful at lying low so far, why would he throw all that away just to kill edse? If he was mafia he could have done that just as easily in the night with no risk. You, on the other hand, have far less to lose from all this, which is why I think you are more likely to be mafia.

There are still three possibilities:

1. Ironside is mafia. This possibility assumes the existence of an item that can interfere with the lens. So Jarema would have had to come up with such an item, give it to the mafia even though it would be useless to them until a fair way through the game and they would only be able to use it later if they knew exactly when and on who the lens was being used. I find this unlikely, but I suppose a possibility.

2. ATPG is mafia. ATPG could have faked the results, knowing people would still trust them and lynch edse even when he backed down to try and make himself look innocent. He would then go on to argue how it was much more likely that Ironside was the mafia. If he was townie this would be the logical thing to do. If he was mafia this would be the logical thing to do. However the force with which he has argued for this and the way in which he claimed the edse scan was wrong with such certainty make me feel he is more likely to be mafia. Unlike options 1 and 3, this option relies purely on the ingenuity of ATPG, not any possible complex game mechanics.

3. Neither Ironside nor ATPG is mafia. This could be true if the mafia have some way to label players as corrupted for investigative purposes. I don't think this is much more unbelievable than option 1. If this is the case, this fiasco will have crippled the town.

I feel like option 2 is the most likely to be correct, which is why I want ATPG to die first, potentially saving an innocent head of college. The only way the town can come out of this in a positive situation is if we kill the guilty one first. If I was mafia along with Ironside it would be stupid of me to argue this strongly, because all I am doing is linking the two of us together and seemingly confirming ATPG's suspicions. If I was mafia it would be much better to sit back and hope Ironside can take some people down with him. But I am not, I am town, I believe Ironside is likely to be town so I would prefer ATPG to be killed.

If Ironside does die tonight and flips guilty then I will accept the lynch that will surely come for me. I may even vote for myself. In the mean time I urge some of you to attack ATPG. There is no evidence against Ironside other than ATPG's word. I can't understand why he seems to be the preferred target.

I notice the earthlings have remained quiet, where do the geodudes stand on all of this Khaan?

White_eyes:D

12-16-2012, 13:47

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 14:00

Well isn't that special.

I don't think the mafia will refrain from killing, and given how few townies are voting, you can tell your friends in the water college that they aren't worth my time.

I'm sorry I tried to do anything for this town.

Ironside

12-16-2012, 14:07

Just so you all know, the Water College is not engaging in any vig-killing tonight. I tried and tried but one member wants to leave it to the lynching's and will not budge.:wall:

This is a triple victory for the scum....and I can't do anything about it.:shrug:

Lock him down. Make him do something that you can confirm his actions by. Attack with a weak element that won't hurt much if it succeeds. That's why Alsark was ordered to attack ATPG yesterday. To confirm his strength and to make sure that he couldn't do anything else. I've been doing versions of this since very early.

The main scums are active by night. So your "mister lynch" is given a free night action and a safe lynch in the deal. Why? no idea, but that's exactly what a scum would want.

I get it you belive ATPG over me. But the question is, what's to lose by following this? Nothing, it even gives the xp like studying.

Visor

12-16-2012, 14:07

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 14:52

I'm up for that.

Ironside is freaking me out with his town acting. It's so good that I'd rather go for the guy who is just, nakedly scummy.

We can lynch Ironside tomorrow I guess. EF is just rubbing me all kinds of wrong. So very wrong.

Since there's not going to be enough people attacking tonight, I guess I'd better help whoever I can.

Iron, I still think you're scum. But there's enough doubt in my mind that EF is looking like a better target.

Biggest thing is Elite Ferret being so eager for edse to be lynched, then me, and then Ironside. If Ironside is scum, it means EF is likely scum. But if he's townie, oh you better believe EF is the scumbag.

No matter how I look at this situation, EF is scum, or Ironside is, or both, but Ironside is acting more townie than EF, even if the circumstances make Ironside a top candidate for scum.

Congrats, Elite Ferret. You managed to look even scummier, to me, than the only person in the game who could have known who I was targeting with that scan.

Don't know how you did it, but you've succeeded.

Ironside

12-16-2012, 15:12

White_eyes:D

12-16-2012, 15:19

EF can't be an orignal scum. He did attack both Kennigit and Riedquat (on my command), without showing any sign of corruption or hidden stats. That's on the record, checkable and all.

I think he's simply loyal to me (and suspect of you ATPG) enough that it colours his suggestions.

Disturbing part is....that one member I mentioned wants to stop all vig-killing as soon as his name pop's up. TinCow? no sweat, what has he done? But EF no....:no:

I strongly think EF and him are scum buddies.

TinCow

12-16-2012, 16:45

Let say I'm into the plan to frame edse and make scans look failable. That's clever true.

Now when edse falls over innocent, what happens next? Innocent ATPG will suspect something, since it's low odds of it being a random framing (and I've already pointed it out earlier aka being aware of the situation) and look how many people knowing about the scan. Behold, by some odd action (since I usually posted all night actions in the main guild topic), I've only posted that in the wielder qt, where only me and ATPG is alive. After edse flips he'll accuse me. By some reason I'll expect that to fail, normal procedure will be done (aka lynch ATPG). When he flips innocent, look who's the next one to accuse. Ironside.

Yes, you have expected me to be that freaking stupid!! :stare:

I don't think that's equivalent. In the ATPG-engineered situation he would have known he would be the prime suspect immediately after the end of the lynch phase. In addition, the way he went about it during the day, first accusing and then defending edse, drew heavy attention to him as possible scum even before the lynch was done with. ATPG actively endangered the very lynch that he would have been trying to promote by the fake-out, which is very poor strategy and does not seems consistent with his style.

For an Ironside-engineered situation, it's far more subtle and has far greater benefits to offset the risk. First off, when the action was planned I was still alive. If I hadn't been killed, there would have been a three-way stand-off between you, me, and ATPG with all of us accusing each other. That would have been a lot of cover, particularly for a starting headmaster who was, up to that point, thought to be guaranteed innocent. Second, the sheer chaos of the situation was bound to have (and has indeed) disrupted the relatively peaceful state the town was in, which is to the mafia's advantage. Third, even if you are scum you're clearly only a recruit and thus not a vital role. At this point in the game it's a worthwhile gamble to risk the life of a recruit to sow this much chaos and eat up a few lynch phases. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that, far from being a stupid plan, it was a very intelligent and highly strategic plan.

If you are indeed innocent then perhaps we've all been chasing shadows and this is a comedy of errors. Regardless, I call the game as I see it, and right now the most likely scenario seems to me to be a situation engineered by you, rather than by ATPG or by pure luck.

Riedquat

12-16-2012, 17:23

EF can't be an orignal scum. He did attack both Kennigit and Riedquat (on my command), without showing any sign of corruption or hidden stats. That's on the record, checkable and all.

I think he's simply loyal to me (and suspect of you ATPG) enough that it colours his suggestions.

He was the one? Sweet! Attacking us proves nothing ... I wonder what shows of corruption you expected to see...

Disturbing part is....that one member I mentioned wants to stop all vig-killing as soon as his name pop's up. TinCow? no sweat, what has he done? But EF no....:no:

I strongly think EF and him are scum buddies.

Make his name public! :stare:

Ferret

12-16-2012, 18:05

Disturbing part is....that one member I mentioned wants to stop all vig-killing as soon as his name pop's up. TinCow? no sweat, what has he done? But EF no....:no:

I strongly think EF and him are scum buddies.

If you are so sure of this why have you not revealed his name?

I also notice that yet again ATPG has failed to address any of the points I have made. Is anyone even reading my posts or are you all just jumping to this ridiculous conclusion together?

If you are innocent ATPG you should have no problem addressing these issue, all of which you have consistently refused to talk about:

1. Your assertion that johnhughthom was involved in TinCow's death, where did this come from?
2. Your repeated claims that being a mason means you cannot be recruited by the scum, is this explicitly stated in your role PM?

These are just few examples (I'm tired and know there are many more but can't recall them off the top of my head) of your odd behaviour, you even admitted to wanting to raise your corruption so you'd be more useful to the scum if they recruited you. I know these things aren't incredibly relevant to the current discussion but your refusal to respond to anything I post has forced me to take a different track.

Anyone not doing anything, help me attack EF.

If this is what it take for you guys to trust me then go ahead. Just make sure I actually die or you'll have wasted two phases that are desperately needed for scum hunting.

If you do kill me tonight all I ask is that when I flip innocent you lynch ATPG immediately.

I have no doubt that he'll coclude that as I'm innocent Ironside must be guilty and try and get you to lynch him. He will then have eliminated two college heads and a wielder, utterly demolished the college of air at the cost of merely his own scummy life, without revealing any of his buddies. Don't fall for it, ATPG is playing you all.

Ironside

12-16-2012, 18:14

First off, when the action was planned I was still alive.

Nope, you were dead by that point. You died the night before. That's why I promoted EF instead of going for a scan.

Really, I would've simply dropped the info in the main qt in that case. Had ATPG somehow fixed it on me in that case I would've been annoyed (since it's wrong), but not insulted. I'll do plenty of mistakes, just not simple ones as this when planning is involved.

He was the one? Sweet! Attacking us proves nothing ... I wonder what shows of corruption you expected to see...

The only thing we know is that all scum will be more or less corrupted. And corrupted attacks (3-4) was shown the the writeup as corrupt.
And the original attackers had very good stats, unlike EF, who did only small time damage in the descriptions.

I did get an ambigious answer on this early on. It was by PM, since it was before it was clear that we would've 2 quick topics.

Anyway another question. Can a player with high corruption turn it off? As in attacking without doing corruption damage?

no, he cant. but some effects may do the trick (I will not tell you if there is an item or an ability that allows it)

I did take it as the scum could possibly fool scans (the reverse of current situation), but couldn't hide corruption in the attacks. It can also refer to that the pyros could burn the corruption away, of course.

Jarema

12-16-2012, 18:16

Is anyone even reading my posts

I am

Ferret

12-16-2012, 18:49

Thank you Jarema :laugh4:

TinCow

12-16-2012, 18:53

1. Your assertion that johnhughthom was involved in TinCow's death, where did this come from?

He's right, it would be nice to clear up that point.

Nope, you were dead by that point. You died the night before. That's why I promoted EF instead of going for a scan.

Ah, you're right, sorry about that.

Chaotix

12-16-2012, 19:40

If you are so sure of this why have you not revealed his name?

Because white_eyes really has no idea what is going on.

I suggested we find out exactly how much combined attack we would need to kill you, based on your given defense values and the fact that you have the artifact. Then I suggested we find out what our combined attack actually is, and if it matched up. Because if it didn't, then it would be kind of pointless to attack you since we would just want to lynch you the next day, anyway.

Regardless of whether we did or didn't have enough combined AV (I don't know, because white_eyes didn't say his AV), white_eyes proceeded to attack me as being "your scum buddy".

tl;dr he has flown completely off the handle with paranoia.

Ferret

12-16-2012, 20:37

Exactly, there is no point attacking me unless I die. I won't be using the air artefact but if you don't believe me then attack with air, as it cannot defend against that.

Jarema

12-16-2012, 21:03

Xenoneb was sleeping, when someone attacked him. Whirlwind crossed his cell, and throwed him agaist wall. Somewhat hurt, he walked to obtain some medical aid

Elite Ferret was attacked with water. Strenght of attack was great, and he was damaged heavily.

That's not all. Next day, he was attacked with air! Fortunately for poor Elite, this time attack was not so strong.

ATPG was also attacked with air. Also this attack was succesfull, and he has been wounded moderately.

Day 10 begins

Living Players:
1. Captain Blackadder
2. Autolycus
3. Chaotix
4. Askthepizzaguy
5. Memnon
6. Alsark
7. Ironside
8. Visorslash
9. Issaikhaan
10. White eyes:D
11. Xenoneb
12. Robbiecon
13. Johnhughtom
14.Elite Ferret

Dead Players
Montmorency (aeromancers)
NinjaCow (pyromancers)
Andres (hydromancers)
Ignoramus(pyromancers)
Arjos (Defilers)
BSmith (Defilers)
El Barto (hydromancers)
Riedquat (Defilers)
LazyMcCrow(pyromancers)
TinCow (aeromancers)
Kennigit (Defilers)
Edse (hydromancers)

Attacked Players:Alsark (n3, n8)
Andres (n3, n3, n3)
Askthepizzaguy (n2, n4, n8, n9)
Autolycus (n7 - group)
Chaotix (n1, n4, n4, n4)
Edse (n1)
El Barto (n6, n6)
Elite Ferret (n9, n9)
Ignoramus (n3)
Issaikhaan (n4, n5, n5, n5)
Johnhughtom (n3)
Kennigit (n3, n4, n6, n6)
LazyMcCrow (n1, n1, n3, n3, n7-group)
Montmorency (n1, n2, n2)
Riedquat (n4)
TinCow (n3, n4, n7 - group)
Visorslash (n2)
Xenoneb (n1, n2, n5, n9)

NinjaCow64

12-16-2012, 21:38

And that's exactly what I was afraid of happening. Great job guys.

Ferret

12-16-2012, 21:48

I bet the mafia are absolutely loving this...

Also the Jar of Infinite Winds was stolen from me, which is not good news.

Askthepizzaguy

12-16-2012, 22:14

Vote: Elite Ferret

The JHT thing was a joke given the whole "Benny Boy" stuff. I believe that's some reference to Xenoneb, which I think JHT calls him that a lot.

Ferret

12-16-2012, 22:24

vote:Askthepizzaguy

I'm almost looking forward to dying so that I can finally find out what the hell is going on. Fair play to whatever cunning so and so is orchestrating this.

Chaotix

12-16-2012, 22:42

Vote: Elite Ferret

Let's go with ATPG's hunch. He was right about edse, I suspect he is right about EF.

Also the constant stream of scum spouting from EF's mouth is kind of a dead giveaway.

White_eyes:D

12-17-2012, 00:23

Elite Ferret was attacked with water. Strenght of attack was great, and he was damaged heavily. SEE.....Chaotix should have just attacked, he would have been dead rather then wasting this phase. But NOOOO....."Take out the garbage first, rub my feet first, now I am too tired.":wall:

Why didn't you just do it, instead of having all this making excuses stuff?:stare:

Vote:Elite Ferret

Visor

12-17-2012, 00:30

Vote: Elite Ferret

El Barto

12-17-2012, 00:46

vote:Askthepizzaguy

I'm almost looking forward to dying so that I can finally find out what the hell is going on. Fair play to whatever cunning so and so is orchestrating this.
OMG, pizza sucks!

Ferret

12-17-2012, 00:54

Just make sure you go after ATPG when I'm dead guys.

With regards to White Eyes' attack: how in the hell did you manage to do 6 damage? Either you've got a massive Water AV of 8 or you're super corrupted, which is it?

White_eyes:D

12-17-2012, 02:21

With regards to White Eyes' attack: how in the hell did you manage to do 6 damage? Either you've got a massive Water AV of 8 or you're super corrupted, which is it?
By putting every XP into my Water AV (I was intending to be the batting ram for the Water College), you not defending or something, killing TinCow and getting more corruption.

You can tell my attack was not Super corrupt, in that it had no "Dirty Water" description to it, but not exactly "pure water" either.:sweatdrop:

Chaotix

12-17-2012, 02:33

SEE.....Chaotix should have just attacked, he would have been dead rather then wasting this phase. But NOOOO....."Take out the garbage first, rub my feet first, now I am too tired.":wall:

Why didn't you just do it, instead of having all this making excuses stuff?:stare:

Vote:Elite Ferret

You might have just mentioned you had around 8 Water AV. That would have been plenty reassuring enough.

Instead you complained that we didn't have enough time (this when we still had 10 hours left) and said you couldn't trust me and were just going to defend, neglecting to say anything on the matter.

I rest my case, white_eyes. If we had you calling the shots this whole time, Earth and Air would have gotten tired of the repeated potshots and just demolished us long ago.

White_eyes:D

12-17-2012, 02:42

I mentioned my Water AV in the QT.

I told you my attack would shred Elite Ferret's defense's....Are "Ye of so little faith" in me?~:mecry:

Edit: The biggest thing was that I received no, "I am doing this White_eyes:D but let's iron out the details". It was instead "Let's do anything but that action" kind of thing.:shrug:

Riedquat

12-17-2012, 03:42

I bet the mafia are absolutely loving this...

No kidding... :laugh4:

Just make sure you go after ATPG when I'm dead guys.

Look, you were going to get Atpg after lynching poor edse remember? Then You were going to get Atpg after getting down Ironside... Now its you going down, because you orchestrated the thing about edse with your mind control superpowers... and while you keep throwing accusations back and forth the other college is starting to fell in anarchy too, except the geodudes that are firm as rock. I'm enjoying this but my master is a bit concerned town is killing itself, not a bad thing per se but bad to get to our objectives in the end, so slow down the paranoia a bit.

El Barto

12-17-2012, 04:14

Lynch elite Ferret and Ironside, in whichever order pleases you the most.

I must repeat, someone reveal to kumquat so he shuts up.

Ironside

12-17-2012, 09:10

I have to say I'm surprised to be alive and even more, unattacked.

What did you decide Geos? No attack at all?

Notice that neither me (I attacked Xenoeb, to clear out the natural lynch after me and ATPG dead. Decision made before EF got accused), ATPG nor Elite Ferret got corrupt attacks.

Your water AV White Eyes? If corruption did extra damage, then EF needs to have less.

Water guild, do you agree that one buring down corruption, the second healing him and your new master also doing confirmable actions (or simply scanning) are reasonable?

I know I got very low credibility, but personally I'm suspect of one in water and the other(s?) lurking in earth. My guess is that the early promoted wielders are innocent, based on how the item thefts has been. Earth is clear of defilers based on the wasted attack on 'khaan.

Askthepizzaguy

12-17-2012, 09:15

I'm not surprised. There's like two townies interested in voting anyone or attacking anything.

Visor

12-17-2012, 09:20

I fell asleep, so I didn't send in order in. Been busy today as well. Wish the nights were longer.

Want me to perform an action tonight, tell me. I have high DVs, but lowish AVs except for Water.

Jarema

12-17-2012, 09:33

Nights will have 24 hours, sorry. I feel this game is taking a little bit too long.
But you are welcomed to send night actions in advance

Riedquat

12-17-2012, 13:40

Lynch elite Ferret and Ironside, in whichever order pleases you the most.

I must repeat, someone reveal to kumquat so he shuts up.

Same apply to you, pm jarema and get over with this if it bothers you so much! I have high hopes my team still can win this game!

autolycus

12-17-2012, 15:48

Vote: Elite Ferret. Let's get this mess sorted out.

El Barto

12-17-2012, 16:40

I'm not surprised. There's like two townies interested in voting anyone or attacking anything.
To the town's detriment.

I fell asleep, so I didn't send in order in. Been busy today as well. Wish the nights were longer.

Want me to perform an action tonight, tell me. I have high DVs, but lowish AVs except for Water.
Hmmmm. You caused a lot of mayhem with your obtuseness in the Water College early on, now you 'fall asleep', there's too many coincidences. Fairy-light wand of suspicion: Visorslash

Same apply to you, pm jarema and get over with this if it bothers you so much! I have high hopes my team still can win this game!
Oh no kumquat, the difference is that I am town, and want your side to lose. :clown:

Vote: Elite Ferret. Let's get this mess sorted out.
Good, good.

Ironside

12-17-2012, 21:52

Vote: Abstain

For the xp.

El Barto

12-18-2012, 02:22

Vote: Abstain

For the xp.
How predictable.

johnhughthom

12-18-2012, 03:13

Vote: Elite Ferret

Askthepizzaguy

12-18-2012, 03:15

@ Iron

Loud, painful sigh.

Askthepizzaguy

12-18-2012, 03:26

I'm sending in my orders to attack someone.

Who wants to join me, and what target shall we pick?

El Barto

12-18-2012, 04:28

Me! Me! Pick me!

White_eyes:D

12-18-2012, 12:35

I'm sending in my orders to attack someone.

Who wants to join me, and what target shall we pick?

Finish off Xeno....I would RAGE so hard if he turns out to be the only scumbag left and we just avoided killing him.:furious:

Riedquat

12-18-2012, 13:34

Finish off Xeno....I would RAGE so hard if he turns out to be the only scumbag left and we just avoided killing him.:furious:

Agree with my master here ^^

Edit: But what happens if EF turns town?

White_eyes:D

12-18-2012, 14:14

Agree with my master here ^^

Your group wouldn't have so much FAIL in it if I was your master.:smoking:

But what happens if EF turns up town?

We go with the "I think we have all learned a valuable lesson here today, and that is nothing".:laugh4:

I still think lynches are too costly if we are wrong and night-killing for less corruption is the way to go but whatever...:shrug:

Ferret

12-18-2012, 14:14

Edit: But what happens when EF turns town?

Fixed. ~;)

Riedquat

12-18-2012, 15:03

Your group wouldn't have so much FAIL in it if I was your master.:smoking:

At the end of the game we can discuss how much we failed, you will be quite surprised I'm afraid...

I still think lynches are too costly if we are wrong and night-killing for less corruption is the way to go but whatever...:shrug:

:inquisitive:

El Barto

12-18-2012, 16:12

At the end of the game we can discuss how much we failed, you will be quite surprised I'm afraid...
yes, no mafia's as crappy as you guys while actually playing, kumquat.

Askthepizzaguy

12-18-2012, 16:44

Why are you harshing on Reidquat so much?

His continued participation makes the game more interesting and funny to read. Which is probably the only thing keeping me interested at this point, since half the town has apparently decided talking and discussing and voting and night actions are all anti-town.

Khaan, I'm afraid I need you to speak moar. You were doing so well and now you're keeping your head down. Makes pizza a sad boy.

Jarema

12-18-2012, 17:55

His continued participation makes the game more interesting and funny to read.

I can surely agree with that. There are few dead players who are still active, and I am happy they are

Riedquat

12-18-2012, 18:59

yes, no mafia's as crappy as you guys while actually playing, kumquat.

I love you too! :love: I know you mean while we were alive, because I'm still playing :cool:

Why are you harshing on Reidquat so much?

Hey thanks! But... stop that! You must defend your partner, after all he is dead and without a clue what is going on! :bounce:

I can surely agree with that. There are few dead players who are still active, and I am happy they are

:bow:

Chaotix

12-18-2012, 19:04

Ferret

12-18-2012, 19:09

He said 'half the town', not 'half of my scum buddies'. Gawd :clown:

Yes, I have accepted my fate and resorted to terrible jokes.

But seriously, I hope you guys have a plan for what you're going to do when I'm revealed as innocent.

TinCow

12-18-2012, 19:12

Which is probably the only thing keeping me interested at this point, since half the town has apparently decided talking and discussing and voting and night actions are all anti-town.

Apologies for my own silence; the current situation has me a bit stumped. I have no useful suggestions or points to make for those who are still alive. I'm actually kind of pleased to have the luxury of being dead and not having to commit myself to a position.

White_eyes:D

12-18-2012, 20:43

I have nothing against Reidquat....In fact he did well considering all the misinformation he was trying to put in our heads before he died.(I even said it's what I would have done):grin2:

I just think you all dropped the ball after that whole trying to save "Arjos" thing. If your scum, you don't take your scum buddies with you...you guys just had to line up for lynching after forgetting that.:laugh4:

Riedquat

12-18-2012, 21:01

I have nothing against Reidquat....In fact he did well considering all the misinformation he was trying to put in our heads before he died.(I even said it's what I would have done):grin2:

Well, it seems you have a higher opinion of me than myself, misinformation? I lied a bit here and there and perhaps omitted some bits of info to not get the rest of the team lynched but not much more.

I just think you all dropped the ball after that whole trying to save "Arjos" thing. If your scum, you don't take your scum buddies with you...you guys just had to line up for lynching after forgetting that.:laugh4:

Who tried to save Arjos? :inquisitive: I really don't remember I tried to save Arjos...

Xenoneb

12-18-2012, 21:24

I'm still around? I'm sorry guys. I forgot about this site. Again. Vote: Elite Ferret

Askthepizzaguy

12-18-2012, 21:36

Apologies for my own silence; the current situation has me a bit stumped. I have no useful suggestions or points to make for those who are still alive. I'm actually kind of pleased to have the luxury of being dead and not having to commit myself to a position.

You don't need to apologize, you're dead. Other than being helpfully charismatic and assisting us with our thinking, you can't affect the outcome of the game.

The folks who are still directly in play should be explaining why they want to do nothing both day and night, and why that sort of strategy helps town, and why those still struggling against the scums should bother if that's what their living teammates are up to.

But I digress. This will be the game I predicted my own scan was useless before anyone knew about it, but town lost anyway. It's sort of like coming up with the cure for cancer after everyone else besides you is dead.... a remarkable personal achievement, yet still too little, too late.

Jarema

12-18-2012, 22:11

Tally:
Elite Ferret: ATPG, Chaotix, White Eyes, Visorslash, Autolycus, Johnhughtom, Xenoneb
ATPG: Elite Ferret
Abstain: Ironside

WIthout much doubts, Elite Ferret was lynched
Elite Ferret was innocent! And member of the College of Winds

Night 10 begins

Ferret

12-18-2012, 22:52

Happy now?

Ironside

12-18-2012, 22:54

How predictable.

Predictable indeed. And the only voter being correct.

EF. You did well. It's been an honour playing with you. :bow:

El Barto

12-19-2012, 00:01

Why are you harshing on Reidquat so much?

His continued participation makes the game more interesting and funny to read. Which is probably the only thing keeping me interested at this point, since half the town has apparently decided talking and discussing and voting and night actions are all anti-town.

I love you too! :love: I know you mean while we were alive, because I'm still playing :cool:
It's just a weird form that we have of showing love.

I'm still around? I'm sorry guys. I forgot about this site. Again. Vote: Elite Ferret
DIE! :rtwno:

Happy now?
Obviously not… :dizzy2:

DELENDA EST XENONEB

White_eyes:D

12-19-2012, 01:30

Predictable indeed. And the only voter being correct.

EF. You did well. It's been an honour playing with you. :bow:

If you help me kill Xeno we can be BFF's. If he flips scum you also don't need to die, a win/win in my book.:yes:

Riedquat

12-19-2012, 01:37

Happy now?

Not really, when this thing about edse scan started I was almost completely sure you were 100% townie but after Pizza's accusations I agree with Tincow many posts from you were a bit scummy from my own point of view, I had hopes you were playing innocent to the last minute just to mess with the collective, now I'm a bit annoyed you are not scum.

Predictable indeed. And the only voter being correct.

EF. You did well. It's been an honour playing with you. :bow:

Well, not so predictable to all the people who voted him! Now tell me, will be predictable too when they find you were innocent too? Do something to change this nonsense! I, proved scum, believe you! And I'm not trying to draw a target in your back either with inverse psychology...

I'm dead angry at you pizza, why the flying heck did you lynch EF?? Being him innocent proves Ironside to be guilty? I'm afraid the more you live more innocents will die... heck! you are more successful than my own team killing people! Honestly I'm begging my master to hit you tonight, if you are innocent here you have a sincere apologies from a scum member.

Geodudes, bunch of lurkers with sand in your veins! Wake up! Do something useful! :shrug:

DIE! :rtwno:

DELENDA EST XENONEB

Finally we agree in something!

Riedquat

12-19-2012, 01:48

If you help me kill Xeno we can be BFF's. If he flips scum you also don't need to die, a win/win in my book.:yes:

Don't follow your logic... Xeno needs to die but why Ironside don't need to die if Xeno is scum... you lost me..

Edit: Whoever has now the lenses of scumminess, please make yourself and the town a big favor, scan yourself first to check they are working correctly! ;)

White_eyes:D

12-19-2012, 02:12

Don't follow your logic... Xeno needs to die but why Ironside don't need to die if Xeno is scum... you lost me..

Well....if he does help kill a scumbag and Pizzaguy has yet to bag one, he well have far more credibility then Pizzaguy in my eyes anyway.:shrug:

Still have yet to decide which one is more scummy...but that's just me.

El Barto

12-19-2012, 02:41

Finally we agree in something!
But you're a mafia, and I'm a townie mason!

Well....if he does help kill a scumbag and Pizzaguy has yet to bag one, he well have far more credibility then Pizzaguy in my eyes anyway.:shrug:

Still have yet to decide which one is more scummy...but that's just me.
You can always count on AsktheTextwallguy to be doing his best for the town or whichever faction he's in.

Askthepizzaguy

12-19-2012, 03:27

Bah. This is all your fault, EF. If you hadn't spent so much time suspecting a mason and volunteering to try to kill me after the edse debacle, it might have been Ironside instead.

*walks away sheepishly*

White_eyes:D

12-19-2012, 03:31

So it sounds like the masons had a rough time in both college's. I sort of feel a little bad about that....I shouldn't, but I do for some reason....ah, I well just shut it out like every other time I feel this way.:clown:

NinjaCow64

12-19-2012, 04:09

You guys should lynch more water colleges.

Chaotix

12-19-2012, 06:27

So, random question.

Can the headmasters scan for corruption? How has issaikhaan been doing it?

Because if they can do corruption scans, we have an instant way to cross-check with the Lens, if necessary.

Also, wondering what happened to the Lens at all. Did you wind up giving it away, ATPG?

Askthepizzaguy

12-19-2012, 06:53

No, there weren't enough people who volunteered to accept the lens. I still have it.

I am still requesting assistance in targeting the scums. The lens is pretty much useless while I have it. When I die, you guys can vote it to someone. I don't know who to give it to and targeted kills are pretty much the only way town wins under these circumstances.

seireikhaan

12-19-2012, 07:44

Sorry for my quietness. My mafia stamina has been sapped. To answer chaotix' question - yes, I can scan directly for corruption. Not totally sure how much use it is at this point, though...

Ironside

12-19-2012, 09:41

If you help me kill Xeno we can be BFF's. If he flips scum you also don't need to die, a win/win in my book.:yes:

If you can arrange getting your corruption burned down a bit afterwards, sure. I think he's the last defiler rather than the other scum faction though. He ignored the start too much to be starting scum imo.

Well, not so predictable to all the people who voted him! Now tell me, will be predictable too when they find you were innocent too? Do something to change this nonsense! I, proved scum, believe you! And I'm not trying to draw a target in your back either with inverse psychology...

Of course not, since you know I'm not a defiler. That's why you had to point out that me killing a defiler isn't proof of me being innocent. ~;p

I also trust data above gut. Scans can be tainted, but solid data is more than that. EF had provably low corrution.

Riedquat

12-19-2012, 14:58

Sorry for my quietness. My mafia stamina has been sapped. To answer chaotix' question - yes, I can scan directly for corruption. Not totally sure how much use it is at this point, though...

It seems all your team's stamina is depleted... not sure why exactly, but you all seems spectators in the falling of the other/s college/s

No, there weren't enough people who volunteered to accept the lens. I still have it.

I am still requesting assistance in targeting the scums. The lens is pretty much useless while I have it. When I die, you guys can vote it to someone. I don't know who to give it to and targeted kills are pretty much the only way town wins under these circumstances.

They won't be lost if you die? :inquisitive: Still think the lens are broken or you are not using them correctly... :shrug:

If you can arrange getting your corruption burned down a bit afterwards, sure. I think he's the last defiler rather than the other scum faction though. He ignored the start too much to be starting scum imo.

:inquisitive: From when come your numbers? He is not defiler, less yet the last but I want to believe he is inactive scum. Kill him and you will see :yes:

Ferret

12-19-2012, 15:00

EF. You did well. It's been an honour playing with you. :bow:

You too my good sir. :bow:

Still have yet to decide which one is more scummy...but that's just me.

So you weren't sure which one was more scummy, but when I suggested it was ATPG rather than Ironside you were happy to kill me for it? What...even?

Is this you trying to blend in with the town? This and you throwing veiled accusations at Chaotix is making you look pretty suspicious yourself...

Bah. This is all your fault, EF. If you hadn't spent so much time suspecting a mason and volunteering to try to kill me after the edse debacle, it might have been Ironside instead.

*walks away sheepishly*

Well it looked to be either you or Ironside, I thought it was more likely to be you and explained why. Apparently that is scummy. :shrug:

As for now I can't take not knowing what is going on any longer, so I'm going to take Jarema up on his offer shortly. It's not like my college has the slightest chance of winning anyway...

So farewell and good luck town. Remember: Do not trust ATPG.

Riedquat

12-19-2012, 16:19

As for now I can't take not knowing what is going on any longer, so I'm going to take Jarema up on his offer shortly. It's not like my college has the slightest chance of winning anyway...

I feel every dead townie taking jarema's offer works in detriment of town... :no:

So farewell and good luck town. Remember: Do not trust ATPG.

Thank you! And it is Do not trust Anybody!

Ferret

12-19-2012, 16:51

I feel every dead townie taking jarema's offer works in detriment of town... :no:

Well there are no partial wins in this game, either the Air college wins or it doesn't. At the moment Monty's dead, TinCow's dead and I'm dead. One of Ironside and ATPG, or quite possibly both, will die over the next couple of phases. There is an absolutely miniscule chance of the college coming through that and defeating the geodudes before taking out the scum. There was little chance of it happening before edse-gate, let alone now. So I feel comfortable being selfish and indulging myself with information.

Besides, you're not even town. :clown:

Jarema

12-19-2012, 21:57

Autolycus was sculpting. He imagined great marble statue, that will stand for centuries at the entrance to the halls of Geomancers as his legacy. He had already shaped beautiful, angeline arm and shoulder. Now, he was going to shape neck... But, he hadn't have the opportunity to do it. Sudden roar alarmed him. When he opened his doors, he saw huge column of dark red fire. Tortures faces were moving in the flames, and yells of them could almost be heard among crackles of fire. Autolycus tried to escape, but marble block blocked his move. Fiendish fire engulfed him and devoured. Soon, his face joined others in this fiery tomb.
Autolycus was innocent. He was member of Geomancers. Gem of Invulnerability was found at his body. It was given to College of Stones.

Today, you can also vote for one item. It is called 'Figurine of wondrous power'. It looks like a small bird, and its function is unknown.

OOC: vote for Figurine of wondrous power in green .
Day 11 begins!

Askthepizzaguy

12-19-2012, 22:13

That gem doesn't seem to work as advertised.

Also, Hi Elite Ferret, in the netherworld of being spoiled.

Sucks, doesn't it?

Ironside

12-19-2012, 22:30

Vote: jht

Hi sir. I have to wonder, how did you end up with 0 corruption (uncorrupted) by lynching innocents like the rest of us?

Askthepizzaguy

12-19-2012, 22:37

Since nobody did an attack on Ironside, at all, not even me, let's go with the highly coincidental theory. We're not going to kill Ironside anyway.

johnhughthom, why not.

Vote: johnhughthom

His name isn't Benny Boy! Die for calling him Benny Boy!

johnhughthom

12-19-2012, 22:48

Meh. My corruption is 1.

El Barto

12-19-2012, 23:25

Lynch Xenoneb, dammit. Even kumquat agrees with me.

Riedquat

12-20-2012, 02:11

Lynch Xenoneb, dammit. Even kumquat agrees with me.

Somebody had to kill him, kill!! No lynch. Seriously, you can't see what is happening here? The infighting between your ex-partner and Ironside, the lynch of edse and EF, nobody attacked Ironside, nobody attacked Pizza, please tell me you still believe Atpg is still town! Now they are voting in block, holy crap people, wake up! :stare:

Please town, tell me.. why did you lynch EF?

In every argument between pizza and ironside they ended defending each other or giving reasons to vote or carry an action on other target, I suspect they share something else than a college.

And... something else... why me, a dead scum must be bothering for this inactive town? :stare:

Also, Hi Elite Ferret, in the netherworld of being spoiled.

Sucks, doesn't it?

:stare:

Vote: jht

Hi sir. I have to wonder, how did you end up with 0 corruption (uncorrupted) by lynching innocents like the rest of us?

Really? jht? I told you to lynch him the day I confessed my crimes... now do you care to show the town your data, the one you believe above gut feelings... you lost your loyal EF but now all is cool?... Lets lynch the dude who has 0 corruption, yeah! what can be wrong with that? :stare:

Since nobody did an attack on Ironside, at all, not even me, let's go with the highly coincidental theory. We're not going to kill Ironside anyway.

I'm more interested in what you did last night... Someone invested a lot of xp on fire and has a high corruption it seems, fire and earth killing earth... it sounds familiar...

At this stage I have doubts how many of you remain town, I thought the final battle of the game was going to be between one of the mafia teams and town but it seems it would be a scum fight!

Visor

12-20-2012, 02:30

Sorry, been busy. I owe you guys a text wall so I'll get to that after my game.

El Barto

12-20-2012, 02:32

Thank you! And it is Do not trust Anybody!
I want to believe.

Somebody had to kill him, kill!! No lynch. Seriously, you can't see what is happening here? The infighting between your ex-partner and Ironside, the lynch of edse and EF, nobody attacked Ironside, nobody attacked Pizza, please tell me you still believe Atpg is still town! Now they are voting in block, holy crap people, wake up! :stare:

Please town, tell me.. why did you lynch EF?

In every argument between pizza and ironside they ended defending each other or giving reasons to vote or carry an action on other target, I suspect they share something else than a college.
Maybe they just want their college to win and have a gentleman's agreement not to check the other's faction until their college is dominant? Now that I'm dead, Pizza has no regrets in going after the Water College.

And... something else... why me, a dead scum must be bothering this town? :stare:FTFY.

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 02:43

I'd like to say something like Ironside converted me, our scum team will win, there's nothing you can do to stop me, and bwahahaha, but unfortunately for me, none of that is true.

What I did last night: Absolutely nothing. I didn't even bother.

Visor

12-20-2012, 03:01

1. Captain Blackadder
2. Chaotix
3. Askthepizzaguy
4. Memnon
5. Alsark
9. White eyes:D
10. Xenoneb
11. Robbiecon
12. Johnhughtom

These are the people who could be the possible last scum team. I'm not entirely sure who they are. I do suspect my own college, both White Eyes and Chaotix. Johnhughthom or ATPG are fine lynches to me.

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 03:10

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

So, tell me something ATPG.

How on earth did my scan of you last night wind up with a corruption score of utterly corrupted?

Think this one was falsified too? Just like my innocent headmaster?

It was a brilliant scheme, but now it has to come to an end. Here's my theory:

You gave us a fake scan result of edse to buy your scum faction some time after four straight lynches of your members. But you knew the result was going to be false beforehand, because hey - you just made yourself up a fake scan result to begin with, and you're the mafia! Worst case scenario, edse winds up being someone of the other scum faction, and then you get instant credibility. Actually, that's probably best case scenario.

Worst case scenario is that edse is innocent, and that's also the most likely scenario. So what do you do? You "figure it out" that edse is actually innocent based on the way he argues back without a real defense, and decide to try and stop his lynch despite a clear protest from your mason buddy, your college mates, and issaikhaan.

You "reason" that the only way your scan could be wrong is if someone in your college deliberately falsified your scan result. You claim that Ironside was the only one who could have known about it, and that's where you plant your second vote. What's more? Ironside himself is probably scum as well.

You make this case after you already suspect that there is too much momentum going on this lynch to change its direction. edse is probably going to be lynched. If not, and Ironside gets lynched instead, that's not a big deal anyway because you just a) gained yourself some cred if he is scum or b) have to lynch edse tomorrow if Ironside is innocent.

Right there you have bought yourself at least two days for your scum faction. And it worked out more or less perfectly for you. Sure, EF got in the way, but that's actually to your advantage, isn't it? That's just another innocent you could milk for the lynch before inevitably getting yourself or Ironside killed.

So fast forward to last night. The night previous you had covertly given away the Lens - and though we kept it a secret in the thread, you gave it to me. The only people who know that I have I the Lens as of last night are me, you (and your scum faction), (possibly) whoever you told in Air College, and I notified white_eyes and Visorslash about halfway through the night, without giving my scan target.

You correctly expected me to be using it last night - although you probably thought I would be scanning someone like Xenoneb or Ironside, who still have a big question mark in front of them.

Now here, one of two things happened, depending on if you actually have the ability to falsify scans.
A) You did nothing/could do nothing, using the logic that your "trick" of passing off the Lens to someone else would sufficiently throw the scum off the trail, and my scan result therefore is correct. You obviously weren't expecting me to scan you, or if you did then that was a calculated risk you were ready to take.
B) You used an ability to change my scan result for tonight to "Utterly Corrupted". This would have caused a stir if it was anyone else, because then we essentially have the edse scenario all over again - do you trust the result, or is there an infiltrator in the Water College? With a scan on you, however, it doesn't matter, because your real corruption level IS utterly corrupted, or something similar.

Whether the scan is real or something you gave me, the truth is clear - you, sir, are a scumbag.

So congratulations for wasting three of the town's days on utter nonsense.

It's time for you to die, and I will make it so.

seireikhaan

12-20-2012, 03:29

Hmm...

Vote: ATPG

I can go with what chaotix posted. How did you obtain this result, chaotix?

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 03:30

seireikhaan

12-20-2012, 03:32

Ah, yes. I'm getting it a bit better. Interesting sort of situation... unless, of course, it's a case of the lenses just being flat out useless or tampered with.

El Barto

12-20-2012, 03:35

Hmm...

Vote: ATPG

I can go with what chaotix posted. How did you obtain this result, chaotix?

Probably should have made that clearer in the post.

Askthepizzaguy gave me the Lens of Elemental Vision the night before last. I used it last night to scan ATPG.

Ah, yes. I'm getting it a bit better. Interesting sort of situation... unless, of course, it's a case of the lenses just being flat out useless or tampered with.
Chaotix did post that he was gonna scan an unnamed person well in advance.

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 03:36

Either way, it implicates ATPG and/or Ironside.

Exactly who we were looking at two days ago for guilt, but have done nothing about... despite their supposed plan to get themselves both killed and cleared.

If you think it's the item itself that has been messed with... we should go back through the history of who has had it. And we should find out when it started giving wonky results, if ever.

Personally I think ATPG scanned edse to get the AV and DV values and then made up the corruption value himself.

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 03:43

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 03:47

Do it.

I'm laughing my fanny off. Someone clearly earned this win, and despite my best efforts, it wasn't me.

Do try to hide your shock when I flip innocent.

I have no defense. None. Noooooonnnnnnne.

:laugh4:

Come and get it, boyos. It's fresh, it's townie, and it's tired of fighting you.

You or Ironside.

If it's not you, it's him. You're the only two capable of having pulled out that ridiculous result on edse, barring perhaps Alsark.

But you stopped going after Ironside, even after Elite Ferret turned up innocent.

Why? Ironside or Alsark being scum is the only way you can clear your name and wash your hands of that bogus scan result. Why aren't you calling for their deaths?

You just don't care. You have already served your purpose - buying your scum friends enough time to do what they have to do. Perhaps Ironside is even one of them!

You may have already won this game for your scum faction, but damned if I'm not going to see you die for your crimes first.

Visor

12-20-2012, 03:48

Vote: Chaotix

I don't buy it. Sorry.

White eyes, back me up here.

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 03:49

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 03:51

Vote: Chaotix

I don't buy it. Sorry.

White eyes, back me up here.

Oh, Chaotix is probably innocent. A doe-eyed innocent, in fact.

Chaotix, seriously, did you tell people you were scanning? Good lord.

What the flip man. What the flip.

Give me one good reason why. That makes no frickin sense at all.

El Barto

12-20-2012, 03:52

Visor

12-20-2012, 03:54

Only WE myself and robbie (if he even knows) knew about it.

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 03:55

Did you seriously post in your quicktopic that you were scanning someone, Chatoix man?

The whole point of handing it over to you and then denying I did so was for there to be some chance, some small chance, you'd get a real scan off.

You bungled it if you made any mention of scanning. What's the point? I should have kept it if you weren't going to keep silent about possessing it.

I have not misspelled Chatoix. That's your name now. I can think of nothing more appropriate.

Right now, I am of the opinion that there's no way to falsify the scan in the first place.

You just deliberately gave us a bogus result.

I had to post that I had the Lens because I needed an alibi so I wouldn't look like a scumbag if I wasn't going to participate in any attacks white_eyes wanted to set up. Which he was planning on doing when I mentioned the Lens.

I probably would have gone for the attack rather than the scan had white_eyes wanted to go through with it. Now I am glad I didn't.

Visor

12-20-2012, 03:55

Unvote; Vote: ATPG

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 04:03

Oh good, only a few other people knew about it.

That's ironclad.

You want to know why I stopped trying, Chatoix? I gave up. I can't even hand the fricking lenses off because you're the only one who asked for them. Nobody is volunteering to do vigs. I spotted the scan result being wrong by letting go of all the baloney. Just from talking it out with edse.

But the fact is, pretty much nobody else would do that, could do that, or will try to do that. I put that sort of thinking into how I play. Instead what we have is people believing these worthless scans long after they've been proven to be worthless.

You, Chaotix, seriously believe that I would give you the item, as scum. You, not one of my teammates. In the hopes that you'd do what?

Scan me or Ironside? And then I would go ahead and not kill Ironside?

Why's that man?

What's my plan?

What's my angle?

I'll tell you my angle. I put forward the effort, and I felt quite alone in doing so. And I stopped trying.

Let that be the epitaph for this town. I won't try if you don't.

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 04:05

That's a pretty shameful admission I just made.

Worse than admitting to being scum.

Let it sink in.

TinCow

12-20-2012, 04:09

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 04:15

IMO, the Lenses are the cause of all this. It's the simplest explanation and resolves all the issues with pretty much everyone. It also explains why we're not seeing massive numbers of scum attacks, which would be expected if this were the result of a multiperson scum conspiracy.

If that's the case, wouldn't we have had this problem sooner?

Like, much sooner?

How many times did you use the Lens and get a reliable result, TinCow? What could make them go bad if they were working before you gave them away, but not after?

Well, who had the Lens after you? Who could have tampered with it? It all comes back to Ironside and ATPG. One or both.

TinCow

12-20-2012, 04:18

I never used them.

White_eyes:D

12-20-2012, 04:20

Wow, gone for 30 minutes and this all goes down....I had a post all ready for EF but I need to read though all this and get a *gasp* bigger post ready.:sweatdrop:

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 04:21

That's a pretty shameful admission I just made.

Worse than admitting to being scum.

Let it sink in.

I don't believe you.

You wouldn't be stalking this thread if you stopped caring.

Even if you had stopped caring, you wouldn't suddenly be done with accusing Ironside after the way you called him out two days ago, and after your other possible candidate EF turned up innocent.

You still think there's some way you can weasel yourself out of this lynch and waste another day for the town while your scum team sniggers behind the scene, and that's why you're here.

You haven't stopped caring about this game.

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 04:24

I never used them.

So this Lens has just been passed unused until it got to ATPG?

That's how this worked?

So the only times this Lens has been used it has given us a result of "Utterly corrupted"?

That could throw a serious wrench into my well-thought out argument here...

I really don't want to have to apologize to ATPG after all that huge accusation. Give me something to work with here, TinCow.

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 04:29

You still think there's some way you can weasel yourself out of this lynch and waste another day for the town while your scum team sniggers behind the scene, and that's why you're here.

No, I don't. I'd be a lot happier if this were the case.

Have you known me to claim to have stopped trying in a game, ever, as scum?

It's something I just don't do. Even when I'm caught dead to rights with a scan. Hitman's gambit, etc.

I don't give up if I'm a scumbag. But if town can't even do one of the two basic things they need to do in order to win, because they don't care enough, then why should I try?

If I were scum right now I'd be having the time of my life.

Killed the water headmaster, lynched one of my own comrades who was innocent. The utter apathy of the town. Messing with everyone. I'd be ecstatic.

I'm not this good at hiding my true feelings.

Try to do what I did with edse. Search my feelings. Search my reactions. Look at my posts. Do you really see a scumbag here?

Or a really sad and disappointed pizzaguy?

Use the Force, Bane Anded. The dark side clouds everything. I challenge you to see past all this. Be the pizza.

INSPIRE ME TO KEEP TRYING.

Riedquat

12-20-2012, 04:35

IMO, the Lenses are the cause of all this. It's the simplest explanation and resolves all the issues with pretty much everyone.

Scum Riedquat has been pointing to that for a couple days now, and nobody is paying him any attention, the lenses are broken or not used correctly. Wasn't khaan the first and last using them with damned accurate results with me and my partners? They were stolen or passed away, look at who ever had them in this lapse, that is your man!

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 04:35

No, I don't. I'd be a lot happier if this were the case.

Have you known me to claim to have stopped trying in a game, ever, as scum?

It's something I just don't do. Even when I'm caught dead to rights with a scan. Hitman's gambit, etc.

I don't give up if I'm a scumbag. But if town can't even do one of the two basic things they need to do in order to win, because they don't care enough, then why should I try?

If I were scum right now I'd be having the time of my life.

Killed the water headmaster, lynched one of my own comrades who was innocent. The utter apathy of the town. Messing with everyone. I'd be ecstatic.

I'm not this good at hiding my true feelings.

Try to do what I did with edse. Search my feelings. Search my reactions. Look at my posts. Do you really see a scumbag here?

Or a really sad and disappointed pizzaguy?

Use the Force, Bane Anded. The dark side clouds everything. I challenge you to see past all this. Be the pizza.

INSPIRE ME TO KEEP TRYING.

Nope.

Every time I do that you just wind up messing with me and I wind up believing you.

I am not going to get anywhere by trying to read into your posts at depth, because it all boils down to WIFOM.

Everything I could use to clear you as a townie is also something I could use to condemn you as a scumbag, because you are just capable of doing anything.

That said, I am not hearing encouraging words about the Lens from TinCow here. Starting to look more and more likely that the Lens is just a troll item that Jarema tossed in with the bunch.

But I don't know where else to look here.

EDIT: Riedquat, I don't think khaan ever used the Lens. He passed it off to TC as soon as he got it. I think he was doing Headmaster scans to catch you guys. Which incidentally leaves us with an easy way of clearing this mess up, actually.

Riedquat

12-20-2012, 04:45

Riedquat, I don't think khaan ever used the Lens. He passed it off to TC as soon as he got it. I think he was doing Headmaster scans to catch you guys. Which incidentally leaves us with an easy way of clearing this mess up, actually.

The first time jarema mentioned this item, he described them as a tool to catch defilers or something like that and I'm sure khaan mentioned at least once, maybe with Arjos, the target was a defiler... so I don't know, your master scans reveal faction?

seireikhaan

12-20-2012, 04:51

Riedquat, I never used the lenses, once. I dumped them off to TC on the first night I got them, because I can do my own scans. Except the last couple nights because our collegiate communication has been something awful.

White_eyes:D

12-20-2012, 04:57

This post was before the whole Pizzaguy thing but if you want to read it go ahead.:book:

So you weren't sure which one was more scummy, but when I suggested it was ATPG rather than Ironside you were happy to kill me for it? What...even?
We wanted to kill you LONG before the whole edse thing....you were one of the two targets that I mentioned were not very good way back. In fact, I even called off a group attack that was organized on you at the last second.(The night before TinCow):laugh4:

You were a suspect for too long and needed to go....simple as that.:shrug:

I am still very disappointed that Xeno still lives...slack off for one night to do something else and this is what happens huh?:wall:

I am not sure about the john lynch....

Now I know Chaotix was planning on scanning someone...he told me as much but I guess Pizzaguy and Chaotix pulled a switch-a-roo there to throw everyone off that Chaotix really had it?:shrug:(I told Chaotix I would need two results...One innocent and one not to trust it after edse)

Anyway, I guess I should reveal that I am the new Water headmaster and was using that College item I received. It was pointless though, since I was not attacked but it supposedly block's everything but Water attack's.(Or maybe not, I haven't tested it yet and it's not like "Mr. Fire-from-the-abyss" is so forthcoming about attacking me) :furious:

To prevent theft, I am going to hand it off to Visorslash/Chaotix though. These items are too dangerous in the wrong hands.:sweatdrop:

One major thing bugs me though Pizzaguy....what have you been spending all your XP on?

Mine is clear as day with me attacking EF and hurting him. You could have spent XP on your Fire attack/Corruption because I think you might have more XP then me.:inquisitive:

I think Pizzaguy is going to need to be lynched, but I am conflicted about following the results from those lenses.:book:

Let's hear it Pizzaguy....what is your corruption score?

TinCow

12-20-2012, 05:01

So this Lens has just been passed unused until it got to ATPG?

That's how this worked?

So the only times this Lens has been used it has given us a result of "Utterly corrupted"?

That could throw a serious wrench into my well-thought out argument here...

I really don't want to have to apologize to ATPG after all that huge accusation. Give me something to work with here, TinCow.

AFAIK, yes. I can't confirm, but I didn't think 'khaan had used it before he passed it to me. I had it for one night, but was busy doing other things and passed it on to ATPG immediately after. Unless 'khaan used it before passing it to me, ATPG and you are the only people to have used it, and both results were 'Utterly Corrupted.'

[edit] NM, there's 'khaan's statement on the matter. You and ATPG were the only people to have ever used them.

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 05:04

So the Lens went to khaan, who passed it to TinCow without using it, who passed it to - who exactly?

Did it go to Ironside first or directly to ATPG? EDIT: Saw your post TC.

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The easiest way I can think of to resolve this without killing ATPG is to have all of the Headmasters scan ATPG using their HM scans and then post the results in their respective quicktopics before they get to the thread.

Or we could just lynch ATPG and find out. But I am uneasy about that now actually. The stupid, stupid truth is that we might have been looking through a cracked lens the whole time.

TinCow

12-20-2012, 05:07

So the Lens went to khaan, who passed it to TinCow without using it, who passed it to - who exactly?

Did it go to Ironside first or directly to ATPG?

The easiest way I can think of to resolve this without killing ATPG is to have all of the Headmasters scan ATPG using their HM scans and then post the results in their respective quicktopics before they get to the thread.

Or we could just lynch ATPG and find out. But I am uneasy about that now actually. The stupid, stupid truth is that we might have been looking through a cracked lens the whole time.

I gave it directly to ATPG. I offered to give it to Ironside but he didn't want it for the same reason 'khaan didn't use them; he had his own scan. I was actually supposed to give the item to ATPG during a day phase, but ATPG didn't submit proper orders accepting the item so it didn't get transferred until the following night phase. This can be confirmed by anyone with access to the Air QTs, as it's all documented there.

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 05:37

Well. I think we should do this:

The easiest way I can think of to resolve this without killing ATPG is to have all of the Headmasters scan ATPG using their HM scans and then post the results in their respective quicktopics before they get to the thread.

But I do not think johnhughthom is a good lynch, so I am keeping my vote on ATPG until he is no longer in second place.

Xenoneb seems like a good alternative choice for today. That's what I would suggest.

White_eyes:D

12-20-2012, 06:00

I think we have been looking for the wrong stat entirely....We know the Fire killer is out there. We know he has a Fire AV somewhere past 10 AV...All Headmasters and the lens CAN scan for this.

Out of this list we can knock off some suspects...

Chaotix- Has a high water AV/DV
Visorslash- Has a high water AV/DV
Khaan- Pretty sure he can be ruled out with a scan
Ironside- Can't rule him out but I think his attack on Xeno was sort of strong.
Pizzaguy- Wildcard, I know his Air and Water is very low.
Xenoneb- No idea, but I suspect Fire.

Ironside, Khaan.....We NEED to start scanning and clearing people...somebody has a large fire AV and that's our scumbag.:holmes:

Vote:Xenoneb

Vote:

Chaotix

12-20-2012, 06:37

Unvote, Vote: Xenoneb

ATPG is a must-scan for tonight.

Oh, before I forget, Vote: Green Thing to Chaotix

We have to give the green thing to someone.

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 06:46

I just got done speechifying for Chaotix but I see on preview it's no longer necessary.

What to do. Delete it I suppose?

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 06:49

I think we have been looking for the wrong stat entirely....We know the Fire killer is out there. We know he has a Fire AV somewhere past 10 AV...

That's not necessarily true. Remember corruption can enhance one's attack power. They could have a relatively normal attacking strength and high corruption and accomplish the same thing.

And if we can't detect the high corruption, then we won't be able to find them this way.

And my Air attack value is no longer low.

Askthepizzaguy

12-20-2012, 06:53

White_eyes:D

12-20-2012, 08:29

That's not necessarily true. Remember corruption can enhance one's attack power. They could have a relatively normal attacking strength and high corruption and accomplish the same thing.

NO way, a column of fire is one thing, a tornado of fire is totally another. No one should have more then 8 AV even with the college discount.(Considering the college is now gone):book:

Even all the attacks from the past defilers PALE in comparison to the level of that attack on Autolycus.(It outright killed him, defense or no defense):sweatdrop:

Even Lazy put up a defense....this scumbag has only been powering up his fire AV but it also well be the one thing that well expose him.

NinjaCow64

12-20-2012, 09:03

I've got a little tidbit of information for you all: ALL THE WATER PEOPLE ARE SCUM KILL THEM ALL

Ironside

12-20-2012, 09:19

NO way, a column of fire is one thing, a tornado of fire is totally another. No one should have more then 8 AV even with the college discount.(Considering the college is now gone):book:

Even all the attacks from the past defilers PALE in comparison to the level of that attack on Autolycus.(It outright killed him, defense or no defense):sweatdrop:

Even Lazy put up a defense....this scumbag has only been powering up his fire AV but it also well be the one thing that well expose him.

Autolycus was crippled by our wind nuke a while back. You could've easily dropped him as well.

Why didn't you attack Xenoneb btw? I lied there because I rather scanned, but afaik you don't have that excuse.

2. Levels of corruption: uncorrupted (0), mildly corrupted (1-2), moderately corrupted (3-4), severely corrupted (5 and more), utterly corrupted (special)

I'll be scanning jht.
his dominant element is earth, he is uncorrupted

Meh. My corruption is 1.

Is everything correct from the host on this, Jarema?

Jarema

12-20-2012, 09:32

No

sorry.

I just found out that I have a problem with corruption thing...

in some parts of my notes, I have corruption of 1 marked as 'uncorrupted', and in some parts it is as 'mildly corrupted'.
As far as I can remember, I always treated corruption score of 1 as uncorrupted.
And all further scores... moved by 1. So, moderately corrupted (4-5), etc.

Sorry about that, and about all possible inconsistencies
I cannot go back and change it everywhere, so just assume that someone with result, lets say, 3, could be scanned as mildly corrupted or moderately corrupted

Jarema

12-20-2012, 09:41

Riedquat

12-20-2012, 12:22

what do you think we should do about Christmas?
1. Suspend game for 4 days (or somethingf like that)?
2. Extend phases a little (48 hour nights)?
3. Extend phases a lot (48 hour nights, 72 hour days)?
4. Do nothing?
5. Town and the other scum give up and give victory to the persistent defilers as a good will sign? :yes:

Riedquat

12-20-2012, 13:53

Now I'm curious what result will give the lenses in a scan of one of my partners... umm.... perhaps...

About your lynching target, can we agree to be a little more fair, I know you all want to get rid of all the mafia in a non discriminative way, but is time you lynch the other scum too, at least one member of them, please? Come on, focus in only one target at a time, lynch xeno now, the masters scan pizza, the guns attack same target, my partners promise to continue on disguise and everybody gains in effectiveness, what you think?

TinCow

12-20-2012, 13:55

Going back to guessing. I could vote for Ironside but I have the nauseating feeling the only thing I've been right about is that edse was town against all odds.

Which means I'd like to take out the full fury of my frustration on the lurking guy who might be responsible for all this.

I'm thinking it's likely that a lurker is responsible as well. I'm just not getting any scum vibes from any of the currently active speakers, particularly the flawed-Lenses theory that all the cool kids seem to like these days.

White_eyes:D

12-20-2012, 13:59

Autolycus was crippled by our wind nuke a while back. You could've easily dropped him as well. I guess you are also forgetting that Lazy, the head of the fire college was also killed by fire two nights ago.(Didn't think his fire DV was that low)

Why didn't you attack Xenoneb btw? I lied there because I rather scanned, but afaik you don't have that excuse. I was using that item I just received as headmaster (Earlier post).....give me at least a night or two to test it and my new abilities....sheesh.:rolleyes:

If you guys hadn't lynched edse, I wouldn't be doing most of this on the fly.

LazyMcCrow

12-20-2012, 14:36

The only reason that I was head of the college of fire, was that they recruited me as their final member was killed :D

Riedquat

12-20-2012, 14:38

If you guys hadn't lynched edse, I wouldn't be doing most of this on the fly.

Before criticizing other masters you should had thought you weren't so good for the task.

seireikhaan

12-20-2012, 16:18

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Xenoneb

vote issaikhaan for Figurine of wondrous power

I'm feeling a bit under the weather, so I'm probably done for today.

El Barto

12-20-2012, 19:04

unvote, vote: Captain Blackadder

Going back to guessing. I could vote for Ironside but I have the nauseating feeling the only thing I've been right about is that edse was town against all odds.

Which means I'd like to take out the full fury of my frustration on the lurking guy who might be responsible for all this.
Please, Pizza, don't start changing your votes every few hours. Villainous breakdowns aren't like you, unless you are played by Heath Ledger.

Before criticizing other masters you should had thought you weren't so good for the task.
Not his fault he isn't scum like you are. :clown:

Ironside

12-20-2012, 21:09

I guess you are also forgetting that Lazy, the head of the fire college was also killed by fire two nights ago.(Didn't think his fire DV was that low)

I was using that item I just received as headmaster (Earlier post).....give me at least a night or two to test it and my new abilities....sheesh.:rolleyes:

If you guys hadn't lynched edse, I wouldn't be doing most of this on the fly.

It's probably the same killer as the solo attacker early on, so he's certainly strong and anybody showing up with fire as primary element is extremely suspect now. Thing is that I don't think anyone got 4+ defense in anything, so it's fairly easy to defeat the defenses of even a headmaster.

You've gotten headmaster scan or?

Anyway since Jarema confirmed why the scan was odd: Unvote: Vote: Xenoneb

White_eyes:D

12-21-2012, 05:05

You've gotten headmaster scan or?

Yeah, and tonight we are determining without a doubt if Pizzaguy is innocent or not. If his fire AV is anywhere over four, he is scum without a doubt.:yes:

Alsark

12-21-2012, 05:27

I keep forgetting that this game is here - sorry about that.

Vote: Xenoneb

Askthepizzaguy

12-21-2012, 08:40

Unvote, vote: Xenoneb.

NinjaCow64

12-21-2012, 15:11

Yeah, we have no idea if Lazy had any Fire AVs at all, he was head because there was no one left.

Also, for a Christmas celebration, we should give each other axes and use them to split open their heads. Then we can make eggnog with their blood. Hooray!

White_eyes:D

12-21-2012, 16:08

I still find it rather hilarious that your college was wiped out so quickly. I think Air had as many people as we had...you guys just under-recruited.:laugh4:

El Barto

12-21-2012, 16:24

I keep forgetting that this game is here - sorry about that.

Vote: Xenoneb
Please explain in detail why you show up out of the blue and vote for someone with no justification at all. It actually maeks me angry to see people say 'Whoops, I forgot!', 'Oh, sorry, I was playing videogames' 'didn't really feel like playing' and other non-excuses.

I don't like Xeno's lurking, but if that's all there's to be said about him, then you are just as votable as him.

Unvote, vote: whoeverleadsinordertosavemyarse.
FTFY.

Yeah, we have no idea if Lazy had any Fire AVs at all, he was head because there was no one left.

Also, for a Christmas celebration, we should give each other axes and use them to split open their heads. Then we can make eggnog with their blood. Hooray!
But eggnog is made with, well, egg.

Jarema

12-21-2012, 17:38

Tally:
Xenoneb (6): White Eyes, Chaotix, Issaikhaan, Ironside, Alsark, ATPG
ATPG: Visorslash

Item tally:
Chaotix: Chaotix
Issaikhaan: Issaikhaan

El Barto

12-21-2012, 17:54

Since you won't even bother to see reason on the lynch-vote, at least vote the item to Chaotix, the Water College has better chances than the Air College.

johnhughthom

12-21-2012, 18:14

Vote: Benny Boy

thingy to khaan

Riedquat

12-21-2012, 18:16

Vote: Benny Boy

thingy to khaan

No entiendo!

johnhughthom

12-21-2012, 18:34

No entiendo!

I have a Playstation 3...:shrug:

Riedquat

12-21-2012, 19:08

I have a Playstation 3...:shrug:

Your fault for talking with strangers! :laugh4:

I said, I don't understand! I assume Benny is xeno? Whats up with that benny thing?

El Barto

12-21-2012, 19:44

I have a Playstation 3...:shrug:
I… I thought you were playing less because you'd moved…

Your fault for talking with strangers! :laugh4:

I said, I don't understand! I assume Benny is xeno? Whats up with that benny thing?
Haven't you ever changed another user's name just to bother them for the lulz, kumquat?

White_eyes:D

12-21-2012, 19:50

Figurine of wondrous power to Chaotix

I don't mind if Khaan gets it...but I figure Chaotix has done a good job not having his item stolen.:shrug:

johnhughthom

12-21-2012, 20:28

I said, I don't understand!

I'm well aware of what you said.

Haven't you ever changed another user's name just to bother them for the lulz, kumquat?

Surely such a thing cannot be common, Big Trev?

Jarema

12-21-2012, 21:05

Tally:
Xenoneb (6): White Eyes, Chaotix, Issaikhaan, Ironside, Alsark, ATPG, johnhughtom,
ATPG: Visorslash

Item tally:
Chaotix: Chaotix, White Eyes
Issaikhaan: Issaikhaan, johnhughtom

Xenoneb has been lynched.
He was innocent. He was not member of any college

Figurine of wondrous power goes to Issaikhaan

Night 11 begins

Alsark

12-21-2012, 22:36

Please explain in detail why you show up out of the blue and vote for someone with no justification at all. It actually maeks me angry to see people say 'Whoops, I forgot!', 'Oh, sorry, I was playing videogames' 'didn't really feel like playing' and other non-excuses.

I don't like Xeno's lurking, but if that's all there's to be said about him, then you are just as votable as him.

FTFY.

But eggnog is made with, well, egg.

In detail = I've been busy so I am hopelessly behind in the thread = don't really care anymore = voting the same person everybody else votes for.

Other people are sheeping the voting, too. I'm really not sure why you'd expect me to explain reasoning for a Xenoneb vote and not ask a single other person. I'm literally the worst person to ask.