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Jarema

12-24-2012, 21:24

Pile of stones that Johnhughtom saw at his path suddenly melted into one stone, and then changed into fiendish looking golem-like creature,. That creature attacked Johnhughtom, wounding him considerably.
Ironside was attacked by a blow of wind. He was wounded lightly.

Day 12 begins.

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2012, 22:26

That was me blowing hot air at Ironside. For all the good it did.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

WHY NOT

Riedquat

12-24-2012, 23:08

Well... that stone golem is the most interesting thing I've seen in a while... oh! an amazing deja vu! :quiet:

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2012, 23:16

Well, we can always do this.

Unvote, vote: Chaotix

My attack on Ironside proves I'm not corrupted. He can tell you how much damage it caused.

The "utterly corrupted" scan is a falsehood. Chaotix was the only person interested in the lens, and so, I feel like he's the only one actually still playing the game.

If he's town, we lose anyway since I'm town and there's no resolving our dispute regarding the lens.

If he's scum, that ends his charade. A masterful one to be sure.

I'm the only one in this thread who actually has an alibi last night.

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2012, 23:18

There is one more aspect to this vote that I haven't revealed yet. If you're townie, get behind it. There's two days left. I just want to see who is willing to make Chatoix die, and who isn't.

Before the hammer comes down, that is.

edse

12-24-2012, 23:27

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2012, 23:32

That makes no sense pizza. The lens have been used twice, both times giving a utterly corrupted result. If chaotic is scum for saying he scanned you as utterly corrupted you are as well as you scanned me with the same result.

Are you.... using....

logic?

On Pizzaguy?

For shame. All that thinking is none too good for your brain.

White_eyes:D

12-24-2012, 23:36

Yeah....the lens is full of :daisy:.

Pizzaguy has a mildly corrupt rating, with the saddest Air AV ever...unless there is some kind of item blocker that blocks Headmaster scans, I am forced to conclude that the lens is just plain garbage.:no:

I have no idea why you would lynch Chaotix over it though.:shrug:

Riedquat

12-24-2012, 23:59

I have no idea why you would lynch Chaotix over it though.:shrug:

Nobody has...

Alsark

12-25-2012, 00:08

Yeah, it sounds like the lens may just always give an utterly-corrupted result - that or is there is a framer-role and the framer has done a pretty good job at picking targets.

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2012, 00:53

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2012, 00:56

Very well, I hate to do this, but Chaotix has rather high corruption, and it's not from the lens of lies that I get this information, but the person who was originally fooled by the lens of lies.

There. As much as I hate doing the scan thing after I just talked my head off dismissing all of the utterly corrupted ones as nonsense, there.... a scan that is actually believable.

I hate detectives. Dang it Chaotix, I hadn't even suspected you when you were calling for my fricking head to come off. :shame:

GRRRRRRR!!!! WHY DO I NOT REMEMBER OMGUS IS TOWNS BEST DETECTIVE RESULT

Kill Chatoix, the great deceiver!

El Barto

12-25-2012, 01:19

Kill Chatoix, the great deceiver!
Erm… pizza… that's your user title in several forums.

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2012, 01:30

Erm… pizza… that's your user title in several forums.
So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land. Through the Kingdom of Mercia, through....

Chaotix

12-25-2012, 05:45

My scan on Pizza gave me utterly corrupted again, with weak Fire AV and DV.

I believe white_eyes' scan came out correctly as well. So this leads me to believe that either the Lens is busted, or neither ATPG nor I are capable of using it correctly.

That said, I don't know who the scan on me came from, but that is who should be lynched, because that's the obvious liar here. I don't believe ATPG to be scum for the reasons above. But I believe his informant is scum.

My corruption is 1. I got one point for killing TinCow with Visor and white_eyes. That's it.

I encourage ATPG to out his informant so we can finish this game off already.

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2012, 06:28

Well I have a remarkably specific answer on that, Ironside said your corruption score was "Severely Corrupted" with 6+ corruption.

Therefore either you are guilty or he is. And this time we cannot blame it on a corrupted scanning item. It's either you or him today.

You know what? I could go either way. You have already seen me in this game completely flip flop, even with my own scan. So you need to talk me down from this vote, Chaotix.

Boy this seems familiar, doesn't it? First I try to talk everyone down from my own scan, then I needed to talk people down from a scan of me, and now this.

Did I mention before that I utterly loathe detectives?

The good news is, a detective is going to die today. One of them is scum.

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2012, 06:35

At this point I would consider their being scum to simply be a Christmas bonus.

We were doing just fine with inconclusive scans and sheer guesses. Then these "utterly corrupted" scans and the :daisy: lens and we haven't gotten a single one right since.

We should rein in the new year with a dead detective, and if the new year's baby is DOA and happens to be a giant freaking golem made from elephant feces, then that would be a nice little bow on top.

But know this, I'm unwrapping a present today.

Chaotix

12-25-2012, 07:50

I don't know what to tell you other than that he must be lying, because I have only 1 corruption.

This feels like edse all over again here.

Vote: Ironside

Ironside

12-25-2012, 09:15

Vote: Chaotix

To clearify, my headmaster scan showed that Chaotix had severe corruption (6+).

Now you can either believe me or Chaotix.

My corruption is 1. I got one point for killing TinCow with Visor and white_eyes. That's it.

Were's the points for voting an innocent to death?

White_eyes:D

12-25-2012, 16:02

To clearify, my headmaster scan showed that Chaotix had severe corruption (6+).

Your not exactly the most trustworthy source here....(edse lynch is still kinda fresh in my mind).:shame:

I recommend we wait for a night and scan Chaotix to be sure. If Ironside and Pizzaguy are scum, it's going to be hard to get the votes up to lynch them.

Vote:Ironside

I would rather have a tie for now until I can make sense of this.

TinCow

12-25-2012, 17:02

Ironside

12-25-2012, 17:12

Your not exactly the most trustworthy source here....(edse lynch is still kinda fresh in my mind).:shame:

I recommend we wait for a night and scan Chaotix to be sure. If Ironside and Pizzaguy are scum, it's going to be hard to get the votes up to lynch them.

Vote:Ironside

I would rather have a tie for now until I can make sense of this.

You are aware that Chaotix just lied about his corruption score?

That's not a question about my trustworthyness, but about Chaotix's. You're running around with more than 1 now, unlike Chaotix appearently.

White_eyes:D

12-25-2012, 17:13

White_eyes:D

12-25-2012, 17:19

You are aware that Chaotix just lied about his corruption score?

Maybe....maybe not. Give me another night to scan him, or just vig-kill him...you guys are not very trustworthy after edse and another mislynch of a fellow college member would just upset me enough to kill you, guilty-or-not.

That's not a question about my trustworthyness, but about Chaotix's. You're running around with more than 1 now, unlike Chaotix appearently. Yeah, I have three...maybe four after that whole EF lynch.:sweatdrop:

Ironside

12-25-2012, 17:47

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion, if there was three-four mafia we would have been screwed by now....he is even using weaker earth attack's, rather then fire to try and make it seem like an Earth College attack. (I seriously doubt they would attack their our people)

Chaotix was also mega-attacked by three scum-bag's on night 5...I really don't think he is our SK. (I believe one of them was our fire-killer-in-training):book2:

None ever survives a mega attack of 3 scum. Two are defiler attacks, those who dropped El barto by night 6, no idea who the third was, but he can't been scum or Chaotix would've died there already. Or they were and Chaotix got plenty of corruption and extra health from the start (someone is supposed to have started with 14).

Maybe....maybe not. Give me another night to scan him, or just vig-kill him...you guys are not very trustworthy after edse and another mislynch of a fellow college member would just upset me enough to kill you, guilty-or-not.

I deserve to be lynched if that's the case. My main issues is if we can do a no lynch, at all and if it's a two person faction (one thief and one hitter) they might be able to mess with scan results.

Chaotix

12-25-2012, 18:42

Vote: Chaotix

To clearify, my headmaster scan showed that Chaotix had severe corruption (6+).

Now you can either believe me or Chaotix.

Were's the points for voting an innocent to death?

I believe the only innocent I lynched was Xenoneb, and I didn't get any corruption for lynching him.

I don't know why, but I know that other players have gotten corruption for lynching some players but not others.

To be sure, I will go back and look at all of the lynches to see where my votes were. I'm pretty sure Xenoneb was the only one...

If we are looking at the one scum attack at night to see who is guilty - you should take note that I have been scanning with this bogus lens every night for the past two nights.

Also, the rest of my night results- this is perhaps the most important part. Both my Jade Katana and the Elemental Lens were stolen from me. So somebody either wants them or wants them away from me.

Chaotix

12-25-2012, 19:01

Here's my votes:

D1: johnhughthom. Captain Blackadder was lynched by a weak majority, did not die.
D2: Captain Blackadder. Arjos and CB were tied for the lead, did not die.
D3: issaikhaan. NinjaCow was lynched. (Innocent)
D4: Askthepizzaguy. Ignoramus was lynched. (Innocent)
D5: Arjos, who was lynched. (Cult)
D6: BSmith, who was lynched. (Cult)
D7: Riedquat, who was lynched. (Cult)
D8: Kennigit, who was lynched. (Cult)
D9: Xenoneb. edse was lynched. (Innocent)
D10: Elite Ferret, who was lynched. (Innocent) - this is where I made a mistake. More on that later.
D11: Xenoneb, who was lynched. (Innocent)

So, two innocents. That made me think something was wrong here.

I went back through all my PMs from Jarema and I did find that I actually have 2 Corruption. I got one point from lynching Elite Ferret that I must have forgotten about - been a while since I got a stat update. The other point is from TinCow. Still got nothing from Xenoneb.

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For the record, Ironside's vote was on the lynchee for the NinjaCow, Ignoramus, edse, and Xenoneb.
He was also on the bandwagon for Arjos, BSmith, Riedquat, and Kennigit.

In fact, Ironside appears to have voted with the bandwagon for every single lynch that resulted in a death with the sole exception of Elite Ferret.

I don't know what to make of that, but it does suggest he ought to have at least 2 and at most 4 corruption from lynches, not counting night attacks.

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2012, 21:28

Riedquat

12-25-2012, 21:44

I do not think Ironside is scum.

In any case, here's some food for thought: we haven't had more than one night attack that was clearly identified as scum for several nights. The town has been so disorganized for the last few rounds that the mafia should have been killing to the maximum of their ability. I therefore conclude that they have been doing just that, which indicates that the remaining scum faction is quite small and almost certainly not capable of recruiting. If they were able to recruit, half of you would be in their faction by now and the night attacks would be nuts. But they are not. Therefore they cannot recruit. We have not killed any of them, which means their inability to recruit is due to their inherent nature, not the loss of a recruiter. Therefore they have never been able to recruit. Therefore starting headmasters cannot possibly be members of the remaining scum faction. Therefore Ironside and 'khaan are innocent.

We are likely dealing with a scum faction composed of one, maybe two, who cannot recruit. My money is on one serial killer style role.

Nonsense! Never passed your mind there might be some conditions for the recruitment to succeed? And if there is another way to become scum... :quiet:

You are aware that Chaotix just lied about his corruption score?

That's not a question about my trustworthyness, but about Chaotix's. You're running around with more than 1 now, unlike Chaotix appearently.

Chaotix was who didn't seem very eager to vig a couple of nights ago, that act alone doesn't seem very scummy to me... also he went ahead to check the lenses accuracy avoiding lynching Pizza and clear a bit the confusion... 1+1+1 he seems town to me, and no, he is not my master!

Chaotix was also mega-attacked by three scum-bag's on night 5...I really don't think he is our SK.

:inquisitive: Lets say defilers attacked him... how it proves he is not a serial killier? We didn't attack him, so he was attacked by other schools or by other mafia or by ateam of unsuccessful SK's in training... wow...

Maybe....maybe not. Give me another night to scan him, or just vig-kill him...you guys are not very trustworthy after edse and another mislynch of a fellow college member would just upset me enough to kill you, guilty-or-not.

Yeah, I have three...maybe four after that whole EF lynch.:sweatdrop:

You don't control your corruption score? If you are a good townie and it raises make town a favor and kill yourself!

None ever survives a mega attack of 3 scum. Two are defiler attacks, those who dropped El barto by night 6, no idea who the third was, but he can't been scum or Chaotix would've died there already. Or they were and Chaotix got plenty of corruption and extra health from the start (someone is supposed to have started with 14).

I deserve to be lynched if that's the case. My main issues is if we can do a no lynch, at all and if it's a two person faction (one thief and one hitter) they might be able to mess with scan results.

If someone care to know, I think you fooled everyone so far, included my master and I; first we don't think jarema would throw a messing item out there just to mess the town so badly, the lenses were working at the start, we were concerned about them, the lenses were compromised when they were used first time, of course who did it needed to know who had them, and remember the write up, a shadow separating of its body, where went that shadow? Many thought it was a recruitment, but no recruitment has had a mention in any write-up, and lets be honest it didn't look like a recruitment, more like a power used to contaminate an item, you contaminated the lenses, unluckily for you it resulted in the accusation of another headmaster and pizza's paranoia pointing at you, now that town cleared the situation about the lenses you need a new scape-goat...

The defilers see you for what you really are, scum!

My master offers, lynch the scum now and he will duel your chosen champion tonight! Vote: Ironside!!!

I believe the only innocent I lynched was Xenoneb, and I didn't get any corruption for lynching him.

I don't know why, but I know that other players have gotten corruption for lynching some players but not others.

To be sure, I will go back and look at all of the lynches to see where my votes were. I'm pretty sure Xenoneb was the only one...

If we are looking at the one scum attack at night to see who is guilty - you should take note that I have been scanning with this bogus lens every night for the past two nights.

Also, the rest of my night results- this is perhaps the most important part. Both my Jade Katana and the Elemental Lens were stolen from me. So somebody either wants them or wants them away from me.

err.. the maths about getting corruption are not so hard to get, check between the living ones ~;)

Riedquat

12-25-2012, 21:56

I don't want to see Ironside killed today.

White Eyes and Khaan, you guys scan him.

Or scan Chaotix to confirm what he's saying.

If the theory about a SK is correct we're only helping him with these bad lynches, and face facts, he's not going anywhere and he's not recruiting, ergo we dont need a christmas miracle to win and we dont need to keep spinning our wheels and getting more stuck in the mud.

We can be calm and smart about this. Trust, but verify.

I don't believe everyone who is voting is guilty,or else the game would be over. So therefore let's proceed with prudent caution.

Tincow is right. I suggest we vote No Lynch today, much to my disappointment.

Unvote, vote: NO LYNCH

You can't be more wrong, think about this! What do you think he has been doing night after night? Nothing? Do you realize there is a big chance he has more than one action per night? What has he been doing? The analogy you use about getting stuck in the mud fits for the no action too, because he is doing something!!

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2012, 22:04

You can't be more wrong, think about this! What do you think he has been doing night after night? Nothing? Do you realize there is a big chance he has more than one action per night? What has he been doing? The analogy you use about getting stuck in the mud fits for the no action too, because he is doing something!!

Listen. When I have been mafia and my team was on the brink of failure, my goal after that was to make sure town lost anyway. Whatever other scums there were, I'd try to help.

You're a beyond untrustworthy source. Don't you think my original theory was that he was scum? I've tried to kill him several times now, by lynch, and by my own hand. I can't do it alone.

But while I've been pathetically flailing at him, he's put on as convincing a "good townie" act as I've ever seen, and I think that deserves some leeway.

Further, if my original hypothesis was correct and he was scum, then we should have lynched him the day I figured it out instead of edse. And I still get the gratification of having solved it.

And finally, he's not going anywhere. If he's scum today he will be scum tomorrow, and I don't think the game will end before then.

Now you've been quite an amusing diversion but you're not going to make a sale today. Kindly quit trying.

seireikhaan

12-26-2012, 00:03

I scanned ironside last night, guys. He's clean. 1-2 corruption.

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 00:13

Do we vote for Chaotix, pick a random person, or No Lynch?

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 00:43

Listen. When I have been mafia and my team was on the brink of failure, my goal after that was to make sure town lost anyway. Whatever other scums there were, I'd try to help.

Well... that is nice but honestly I'm not trying to help town to lose, I want the other mafia to lose.

You're a beyond untrustworthy source.

You hurt my feelings here... :no:

Don't you think my original theory was that he was scum? I've tried to kill him several times now, by lynch, and by my own hand. I can't do it alone.

You are not the only who can't do it alone! Haven't you all realized that by now? :wall:

But while I've been pathetically flailing at him, he's put on as convincing a "good townie" act as I've ever seen, and I think that deserves some leeway.

Here we completely agree. The convincing good townie deserve an oscar!

Now you've been quite an amusing diversion but you're not going to make a sale today. Kindly quit trying.

Thank you! Ok, I won't keep pushing for his head instead I ask you and the rest of town, against my own master advice, to vote someone, at least get rid of the supposed inactives.

El Barto

12-26-2012, 00:47

Do we vote for Chaotix, pick a random person, or No Lynch?
Ironside, or a certain person I attacked because of their lampshadealicious inactivity.

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 00:54

How do you know I'm town, Riedquat?

edse

12-26-2012, 00:57

How do you know I'm town, Riedquat?

you were starting innocent and his cult hasn't recruited you. Are you loosing the touch pizza?

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 01:05

you were starting innocent and his cult hasn't recruited you. Are you loosing the touch pizza?

It's losing. The two o's only apply when something is not very tight, as in, physically very loose or sloppy. Loose enough to hold both o's, think of it that way.

Such as loose spelling.

I'm usually not a spelling nazi but it's been bugging me for several posts.

How do you know his cult hasn't recruited me?

Visor

12-26-2012, 01:19

Vote: Chaotix

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 04:54

It's losing. The two o's only apply when something is not very tight, as in, physically very loose or sloppy. Loose enough to hold both o's, think of it that way.

Such as loose spelling.

I'm usually not a spelling nazi but it's been bugging me for several posts.

Thanks! I appreciate being corrected, that's the way to learn after all... that and studying, but I'm too old to study! :bow:

How do you know I'm town, Riedquat?

I don't know for sure. Why?

White_eyes:D

12-26-2012, 06:45

Vote: Chaotix

WOW....might as well thrust the dagger in a few inch's deeper. I suggest Khaan or Ironside scan him because he sure turned on his own college faster then El Barto did. (First edse, now this?):furious:

Visor

12-26-2012, 15:00

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 15:07

Umm. Fear grow in my mind... question, what would happen if chatoix turns innocent?

TinCow

12-26-2012, 15:32

Umm. Fear grow in my mind... question, what would happen if chatoix turns innocent?

The game goes on and someone else gets lynched.

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 16:04

WOW....might as well thrust the dagger in a few inch's deeper. I suggest Khaan or Ironside scan him because he sure turned on his own college faster then El Barto did. (First edse, now this?):furious:

In order to find the scums, someone is going to have to betray his own college.

I was certainly willing, still am. But the evidence suggests Ironside and myself are not the source of town's woes.

My suggestion is to keep looking but Chaotix is more corrupt than he's suggesting, or Ironside is guilty and there's a lot of information out there that's also wrong about him.

White_eyes:D

12-26-2012, 16:11

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 16:23

It's just how fast he turned on his own college....even Khaan is showing more restraint then him.:laugh4:

Regurdless, I must kill Visorslash for instantly thinking the whole water college is scum the second I suggest scanning him.

Or you and Khaan could both scan him.

I realize that the idea of hitting members of your own college throws the water college win into question but it's not the whole college that needs to die, just whatever scum is inside it.

If you don't want the whole college dead, it behooves you to be a bit prudent in choosing which person should die. Otherwise you'll just have to keep guessing and that's more harmful than simply making accusations.

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 16:35

The game goes on and someone else gets lynched.

No!! Really?? What an amazing game is this with so many new features... :shrug:

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 16:46

Chaotix, you're in danger of me reversing and voting for you.

Tell me something.

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 16:55

Also, out of curiosity. What is my AV that you scanned, White_eyes?

I disagree with your assessment as to my capabilities, or lack thereof. So I'm requesting a specific number to see if you're just bluffing.

TinCow

12-26-2012, 16:57

No!! Really?? What an amazing game is this with so many new features... :shrug:

Ask a stupid question...

seireikhaan

12-26-2012, 17:55

Thinking this over, I'm going to...

Vote: Chaotix

I will not allow myself to vote for a no lynch, it's simply against my principle to do so. I don't allow the option in my games for a reason. That said, Chaotix is the best option available- I trust my scan of Ironside, which means I trust his scan.

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 18:08

Scum like to hide behind principles.

That's why my principle is to have no principles. :grin:

Chaotix

12-26-2012, 18:30

You are wasting your time here.

True that we are not exactly lacking for it, but you are providing Ironside with another night to potentially kill an innocent.

Look where the attacks have been the past couple of nights- first autolycus, then johnhughthom. Both Earth college, I think. It seems pretty obvious in retrospect to me what's going on here.

You will probably catch the scum in time, but I doubt Earth college will make it out alive. Probably not Water college, either, the way things are going with us. Seems like the road we are going down leads to Air college victory and nobody else, which curiously enough also seems like it would benefit Ironside.

ATPG, you vote for whoever you want. Unless you are voting for Ironside, your vote is useless right now, as I am in the lead.

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 18:38

Partisan scare tactics?

Unvote No Lynch

Vote: Chaotix.

I hate them IRL, and they're even more ludicrous here.

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 18:40

Ask a stupid question...

Wasnt so stupid! Your college is pilling more bodies than the mafia by lynching innocents, now the scum helpedto clear suspicion over pizza and ironside, so do you believe chaotix to be scum or there is an ulterior motive to keep dismembering this college?

Thinking this over, I'm going to...

Vote: Chaotix

I will not allow myself to vote for a no lynch, it's simply against my principle to do so. I don't allow the option in my games for a reason. That said, Chaotix is the best option available- I trust my scan of Ironside, which means I trust his scan.

So convenient...

______________________

Has been a plesure serving you as minion Master of Chaos!

Chaotix

12-26-2012, 18:41

Ah, good.

It appears you were just waiting for me to post first so that you could change your vote.

I am glad that I could assist your vote transition.

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 18:41

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 18:42

Ah, good.

It appears you were just waiting for me to post first so that you could change your vote.

I am glad that I could assist your vote transition.

You're right Chaotix, I was out to get you from the start, my pretty, and your little Water College too.

I will not stop until the entire rest of the colleges are eradicated, and eventually I'll get around to maybe attacking them instead of my own. :laugh4:

Make a silly accusation....

Chaotix

12-26-2012, 18:46

Last night I attacked Ironside. Shows you just how much I care about the Air College or Ironside's survival.

So yeah. Spook the Water and Rock peeps into thinking it's all a big Air plot to rule them all, while I killed off Elite Ferret and attacked my own headmaster and tried to lynch him.

It's just me and him and our little disciple now. Big scary.

That's not what I'm saying. I wasn't implying you are in league with Ironside.

In fact I think I remember you saying something about not losing your original town victory because you are a mason.

What I meant was that it's possible that a lone scum might be able to win with a college instead of the normal victory condition, whatever that is. In which case Ironside would appear to be setting himself up for a win-win situation.

Assuming that is possible, and that Ironside is the scum we are looking for.

Which I can't imagine he isn't, because his scan on me is just as ridiculously wrong as the one on edse. The other option is that the scum have so much control over our scans that we are better off not using them at all, and that would make Jarema a troll host. (An awesome troll host at that, but I just think there is some mechanic we haven't figured out.)

Askthepizzaguy

12-26-2012, 18:54

Chaotix

12-26-2012, 19:00

You mean like the way you set yourself up for a Water College victory?

The one college that actually has a chance of succeeding. Yes, and killing off the rock peoples, that wouldn't cause friction between them and the Air peoples.

No sale.

Whatever!

Telling me that I set up the Water College to win is stupid and blatant misinformation. Fire college got crippled right from the beginning. Two headmasters lynched days 3 and 4, neither of which I voted for. I forget how the last one died.

So if you don't believe me, you tell me what is going on here.

You tell me what makes me scum besides that scan result, which we have proven through the lynch of my own headmaster to be unreliable.

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 19:29

Whatever!

Telling me that I set up the Water College to win is stupid and blatant misinformation. Fire college got crippled right from the beginning. Two headmasters lynched days 3 and 4, neither of which I voted for. I forget how the last one died..

Lazy... killed by you or your buddies at night... Im kidding :P

So if you don't believe me, you tell me what is going on here.

You tell me what makes me scum besides that scan result, which we have proven through the lynch of my own headmaster to be unreliable.

I believe you Chaotix but I dont see how are you going to make your way out of this situation, truth is they want you dead.

Ah! But death is only the beginning! :p

El Barto

12-26-2012, 19:55

Dammit, I don't wanna see kumquat win. TOWN; Y U NO THINK? Lynch Visorslash.

TinCow

12-26-2012, 20:36

Wasnt so stupid! Your college is pilling more bodies than the mafia by lynching innocents, now the scum helpedto clear suspicion over pizza and ironside, so do you believe chaotix to be scum or there is an ulterior motive to keep dismembering this college?

Thanks for being oh-so-helpful. I think I speak on behalf of the entire town when I say that we're really grateful that you care so much over a possible mis-lynch. I often cry myself to sleep when I get a lynch wrong, but thanks to your concerns in this particular round I will feel much more comfortable knowing that, if the most horrible of scenarios occurs, I have a support network I can reach out to in my time of grief. I hope this event becomes a landmark in the Gameroom and that, one day, mafia and town will be able to live in peace and harmony; skipping across the boardwalks, hand in hand, and cuddling in the sands as the sun sets. On that day, we shall look back with pride to your generous words of concern and know that, but for one man, our utopia would never have existed.

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 20:43

Dammit, I don't wanna see kumquat win. TOWN; Y U NO THINK? Lynch Visorslash.

:laugh4: What game are you watching? I'm far from winning this game!

Look if Chaotix is innocent means Ironside and company already know who the scum are from both sides, getting rid of them only achieves victory for water college. Thing they all were doing like 3/4 days ago, but now they noticed they still can pull their own victory, killing off the water college and with the establishment of a new status quo between air and earth, lynch/vig the rest of the scum and then battle over with the other team to see who wins, or start killing each other while the scum is still alive...

Riedquat

12-26-2012, 20:46

Thanks for being oh-so-helpful. I think I speak on behalf of the entire town when I say that we're really grateful that you care so much over a possible mis-lynch. I often cry myself to sleep when I get a lynch wrong, but thanks to your concerns in this particular round I will feel much more comfortable knowing that, if the most horrible of scenarios occurs, I have a support network I can reach out to in my time of grief. I hope this event becomes a landmark in the Gameroom and that, one day, mafia and town will be able to live in peace and harmony; skipping across the boardwalks, hand in hand, and cuddling in the sands as the sun sets. On that day, we shall look back with pride to your generous words of concern and know that, but for one man, our utopia would never have existed.

You're welcome!

:laugh4:

White_eyes:D

12-27-2012, 00:00

If you don't want the whole college dead, it behooves you to be a bit prudent in choosing which person should die. Otherwise you'll just have to keep guessing and that's more harmful than simply making accusations.
If Chaotix flips innocent as I truly believe, he has turned on members with not a whole lot of evidence at the quickest speed I have ever seen. (He didn't ever post his thought's on Chaotix's lynch, he just...voted)

That has me thinking he was just glad he was not up for the lynch in each case for both edse and Chaotix. If Chaotix turns up innocent, I well not trust scans for anything...you know what they say, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...."

Also, out of curiosity. What is my AV that you scanned, White_eyes?

I disagree with your assessment as to my capabilities, or lack thereof. So I'm requesting a specific number to see if you're just bluffing.
Headmaster scans just reveal what your dominant element and corruption rating is. I have no idea how weak or strong you are in air....I just felt like stating it was the lowest because Ironside still lives.:grin2:

Askthepizzaguy

12-27-2012, 07:59

Well yeah, I'm sort of a pathetic mortal with a wand full of hot air. I'm so frightening I have 2 whole defense in everything.

Perhaps I should spend some XP and make myself even more fearsome.

RARRRR I'm going to become slightly stronger in defense against, let's say, papercuts.

Jarema

12-27-2012, 09:40

Tally
Chaotix (4): Ironside, Visorslash, Issaikhaan, ATPG
Ironside (2): Chaotix, White Eyes

a little more than 11 hours to the end of day

Askthepizzaguy

12-27-2012, 11:36

Note to the abstaining and nonvoting types:

I'mma firin' my lazer at you tonight if you don't vote for someone.

Riedquat

12-27-2012, 14:59

Note to the abstaining and nonvoting types:

I'mma firin' my lazer at you tonight if you don't vote for someone.

Everybody should be firing they lasers at them at this stage of the game, at least to those who have been almost completely innactive the entire game and everyone know are not affiliated.

Jarema

12-27-2012, 21:30

Day 12. Members of Academy decided to lynch Chaotix. Well, at least some of them. Less than half, to be honest. But they were in majority. So, they started to pummel Chaotix with elemental energies. But... they soon saw that Chaotix is barely scratched by them. Masters of elements reached deeper into their inner wells of energies, and attacked Chaotix with re-doubled zeal. This time, it seemed to work... for a moment.
Chaotix started to pray. “Queen of demons, help your servant. Queen of demons, let me serve you. Queen of demons, humilate your enemies! Lady of despair, strenghten me so I can deliver my gifts to you'. Body of demon worshipper dissapeared for a moment beyond arches of sickly green energies. When Chaotix could be seen again, its new, enhanced nature became obvious. Two black, leathery wings were sprouting from his back, four claved arms ready for battle. In one of the right hands he wield Jade Katana, on higher left arm he wore Shield of True Purity (now black and corrupted). In two other hands he wield two missing artifacts – Jar of Infinite Winds and Everburning Torch. His tail... well, his tail was doing something behind his back.
'Misguided good-doers! You can't harm me. You will all perish! Either from my hands, like a College of Flames, or from stupid infighting, like College of Waves. Now, when I'll deliver two of your holy artifacts to my Mistress, you will be doomed. Farewel, walking cadavers!'
Chaotix flapped his wings and started to fly. All members of Academy of Magic tried to hit him with their spells, but he was faster – he finished casting spell with Wand of Haste held in his tail, and he flew away.

Chaotix escaped with artifacts! He is Demon Worshipper!

night 12 begins

Chaotix

12-27-2012, 22:38

Cower in fear, foolish mortals.

Did you really think four votes would be enough to stop me?

You're going to need to try harder than that.

I'll give you a choice for tonight. Would you like me to take the Fluid Sculpture, or the Gem of Invulnerability?

Vote for it in those colors, and I'll pick the one that gets the most votes. Then tomorrow, I'll go for the other one.

Try to stop me if you can, but beware.... I might just send your spells right back at you.

In fact, you would do better off to join me in my impending victory. Get your corruption up to at least 5, and I won't have to annihilate you. You can join me and my mistress in the embrace of eternal darkness.

Visor

12-28-2012, 00:26

Now that I look at our QT from an outside perspective, it all makes sense. But it was hard to do that earlier. We were so focused on our little group.

Everyone attack Chaotix. We have a job to do tonight White Eyes.

TinCow

12-28-2012, 00:32

Clearly collecting artifacts is part of his victory condition.

Visor

12-28-2012, 00:32

edited

seireikhaan

12-28-2012, 00:47

TinCow

12-28-2012, 01:28

Perhaps it's a bit obvious, but I think White_eyes should be the next target. He's been buddy-buddy with Chaotix all game.

Visor

12-28-2012, 01:37

Perhaps it's a bit obvious, but I think White_eyes should be the next target. He's been buddy-buddy with Chaotix all game.

No, he is definitely not partners with Chaotix.

Riedquat

12-28-2012, 04:28

The only one I never suspected to be scum was our guy :wall: errr... I have unbelievable bad news, there is another one out there apart of my master of course... :inquisitive:

Chaotix

12-28-2012, 04:49

The only one I never suspected to be scum was our guy :wall: errr... I have unbelievable bad news, there is another one out there apart of my master of course... :inquisitive:

Don't feel bad, Riedquat. You did a wonderful job of keeping them off my back. You are truly a great deceiver.

If only you were still alive, I might make you my apprentice.

White_eyes:D

12-28-2012, 05:22

Perhaps it's a bit obvious, but I think White_eyes should be the next target. He's been buddy-buddy with Chaotix all game.

You do realize how ridiculous this suggestion sounds?

I was already plotting to kill Chaotix before with the whole EF feet-dragging thing, but it was Visorslash who stopped me.:shrug:

Funny part is...if Chaotix would have been more helping with our mis-placed vig-killing, he would have had the Water college right where he wanted us.:book:

Jarema

12-28-2012, 08:00

all right...
the thing with Chaotix... it was (partially) a joke. He losed. He is not longer among Academy members (his retreat is equal to death)

In fact...
orders locked, update pending

Jarema

12-28-2012, 08:01

At the beginning of the next day, all Academy members gathered in a Main Hall.
'I have good news for you' said master archivist. 'There are no more corrupted individuals among us'.
After a of joyful shouts, White Eyes stepped forward. 'I am happy we have this matter settled. Now, there is another. All members of College of Waves agreed that it is good moment for a change. As you know, College of Flames has been annihilated. We are the strongest college. The only one that matters, in fact. Lord of Stones, lord of Air, bow before me'.
And, to the surprise of their students, two elderly masters of elements stepped forward. Issaikhaan and Ironside knew each other for more than seven decades. They have known that they could not join forces of their colleges. Earth and Air are not allies. So, they bowed in front of young Hydromancer. Then, White Eyes said: 'It is great moment for our Academy. There is no longer need for College of Flames. There is no room for cowardly maintaining so called balance. I announce that from this day all new students will be incorporated into College of Waves. I let Colleges of Winds and Stones exist, but they will get no new recruits. And our Academy is called from now 'Academy of Eternal Oceans'.

Hydromancers victory!

Victory:
Andres
Edse
El Barto
Memnon
Robbiecon
Visorslash
White Eyes

Honorary draw (or defeat, to be honest):
Alsark
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Captain Blackadder
Elite Ferret
Ironside
Issaikhaan
Johnhughtom
Montmorency
TinCow

Defeat:
Arjos
BSmith
Chaotix
Ignoramus
Kennigit
LazyMcCrow
NinjaCow
Riedquat
Xenoneb

Jarema

12-28-2012, 08:02

1. Demon worshipper (SK/Thief):

Demon Worshipper (Chaotix)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are demon worshipper who wants to kill everyone else or steal artifacts of elemental colleges and escape with them
Alignment: anti-town
Faction: Cult of Bhaal (you are the only member of it)
Elemental training: fire: AV 3, DV 1; Earth: AV 1, DV 2; Water: AV 1, DV 1; Air: AV 2, DV 1.
Corruption Score: 3 (moderately corrupted)
Hit Points: 14/14
Abilities:
1. As a night action, you can steal: name a player, and you will try to steal his items
2. If item requires night action to be used, you can use one such item as a free action every night.
3. as a night action, you can heal amount of HP = your CS. You cannot heal twice in a row.
4. When you kill somebody, during following night you can activate one of three auras as a free action:
aura of false purity: you scan as if your corruption = 0
aura of palpable corruption: every character targetting you gets 1 corruption point during next night
aura of viciousness: your attacks deal +2 HP of damage
Victory condition: Be the last living player, OR have all artifacts of elemental colleges (Everburning Torch, Fluid Sculpture, Gem of Invulnerability, Jar of Infinite Winds) and escape with them (escape is a night action, so you may be lynched earlier, or roleblocked, or something else)
Corrupting town-aligned players may be beneficial, because when certain corruption level is reached, their victory conditions change...

If he used his aura of false purity last night instead of other one, he would've been scanned as innocent...
As for stealing: if target had more than 1 item, there was 25% chance for each of them above one to be stolen in addition to one guaranteed steal

2. Cult of Defilers (Mafia)

There was no cult ever (only the name is 'cult', mechanically it is mafia).
Mafia special abilities:
1. Mafia members add corruption level to the AV to determine if attack hit; if target's CL is higher than mafia one, mafia doesnt add anything to AV
2. Victim of mafia attack is diseased if his/her corruption level is lower than mafia one – suffers damage equal to half of mafia's player CL next night
3. If mafia gets one of college's artifacts into their hands, they can corrupt them (this made them less useful for non-corrupted characters; corrupted items may also corrupt their users)

Cult Seer (Arjos)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are magician, member of Defilers that infiltrates Academy
Alignment: anti-town
Faction: Defilers
Elemental training: fire: AV 1, DV 1; Earth: AV 2, DV 1; Water: AV 2, DV 1; Air: AV 1, DV 1.
Corruption Score: 2 (mildly corrupted)
Hit Points: 9/9
Abilities:
1. you can scan chosen player as a night action. You choose 2 qualities to scan from following: elemental AV's. elemental DV's, HP, corruption level. For example, you may scan Jarema for his earth DV and current HP
2. you will be informed if anyone scans you in any way
3. you start game with Dagger of Corruption: If character wields this dagger during succesfull attack or counter-attack, victim of such attack gains 1 point of corruption
Victory condition: At least half of living players are mafia members and there are no other scum factions in the game
Mafia qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/yeYRgJqW4arRf
Corrupting town-aligned players may be beneficial, because when certain corruption level is reached, their victory conditions change...

never used his scan ability. I thought it would be important weapon in mafia arsenal...

Cult enforcers (Riedquat, BSmith, Kennigit - they had slightly different stats)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are member of the Defilers
Alignment: anti-town
Faction: Defilers
Elemental training: fire: AV 2, DV 0; Earth: AV 2, DV 0; Water: AV 0, DV 1; Air: AV 0, DV 1.
Corruption Score: 2 (mildly corrupted)
Hit Points: 10/10
Abilities:
1. you start game with 8 experience points
Victory condition: At least half of living players are mafia members and there are no other scum factions in the game

3. College heads

Mistress Frashene, The Pyromancer (NinjaCow)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are Mistress Frashene, head of the College of Flames
Alignment: town
Faction: Pyromancers
Elemental training: Fire: AV 5, DV 1; Earth: AV 3, DV 2; Water: AV 0, DV 1; Air: AV 3, DV 2.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 8/8
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 5 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of flame to disciples of fire (up to 3 as a night action)
3. you can promote disciples of fire into wielders of flame (one as a night action)
4. you start game in the possession of Everburning Torch. You can give it to one of your wielders as a free action, he does not have to confirm. You can also retrieve it from one of wielders as a free action
5. as a night action, you can scan one player and learn what is his dominant element and his corruption level
Weakness:
1. you are rather old. Buying any AV, DV, corruption or HP costs you twice as much as it is for other players and your HP are low
2. you are archmage for so long, that you dont remember some basic tricks: you do not have access to wielder's abilities
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Hydromancers have been eradicated

Master Ghozough, The Geomancer (Issaikhaan)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are Master Ghozough, head of the College of Stones
Alignment: town
Faction: Geomancers
Elemental training: fire: AV 1, DV 3; Earth: AV 5, DV 1; Water: AV 1, DV 2; Air: AV 0, DV 1
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 8/8
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 5 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of stone to disciples of earth (up to 3 as a night action)
3. you can promote disciples of earth into wielders of stone (one as a night action)
4. you start game in the possession of Gem of Invulnerability. You can give it to one of your wielders as a free action, he does not have to confirm. You can also retrieve it from one of wielders as a free action
5. as a night action, you can scan one player and learn what is his dominant element and his corruption level
Weakness:
1. you are rather old. Buying any AV, DV, corruption or HP costs you twice as much as it is for other players and your HP are low
2. you are archmage for so long, that you dont remember some basic tricks: you do not have access to wielder's abilities
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Aeromancers have been eradicated

Master Bildoboone, The Hydromancer (Andres)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are Master Bildoboone, head of the College of Waves
Alignment: town
Faction: Hydromancers
Elemental training: fire: AV 0, DV 2; Earth: AV 0, DV 2; Water: AV 5, DV 1 Air: AV 0, DV 2.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 8/8
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 5 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of wave to disciples of water (up to 3 as a night action)
3. you can promote disciples of water into wielders of wave (one as a night action)
4. you start game in the possession of Fluid Sculpture. You can give it to one of your wielders as a free action, he does not have to confirm. You can also retrieve it from one of wielders as a free action
5. as a night action, you can scan one player and learn what is his dominant element and his corruption level
Weakness:
1. you are rather old. Buying any AV, DV, corruption or HP costs you twice as much as it is for other players and your HP are low
2. you are archmage for so long, that you dont remember some basic tricks: you do not have access to wielder's abilities
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Pyromancers have been eradicated

Mistress Eada, The Aeromancer (Ironside, was Montmorency)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are Mistress Eada, head of the College of Winds
Alignment: town
Faction: Aeromancers
Elemental training: fire: AV 1, DV 3; Earth: AV 0, DV 1; Water: AV 1, DV 2; Air: AV 5, DV 2
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 8/8
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 5 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of wind to disciples of air (up to 3 as a night action)
3. you can promote disciples of air into wielders of wind (one as a night action)
4. you start game in the possession of Jar of Infinite Winds. You can give it to one of your wielders as a free action, he does not have to confirm. You can also retrieve it from one of wielders as a free action
5. as a night action, you can scan one player and learn what is his dominant element and his corruption level
Weakness:
1. you are rather old. Buying any AV, DV, corruption or HP costs you twice as much as it is for other players and your HP are low
2. you are archmage for so long, that you dont remember some basic tricks: you do not have access to wielder's abilities
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Geomancers have been eradicated

4. Starting wielders

Wielder of flame (Ignoramus)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are wielder of flame, member of the College of Flames
Alignment: town
Faction: Pyromancers
Elemental training: Fire: AV 3, DV 1; Earth: AV 1, DV 2; Water: AV 0, DV 2; Air: AV 1, DV 1.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 10/10
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 2 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of flame to disciples of fire (1 as a night action)
3. as a night action, you can cleanse corruption of one target: corrupted character loses one corruption point per 3 points of yours fire AV. Target is also dealt one point of damage per corruption point cleansed
4. you can buy fire AV with discount of 1 XP
5. you can use Everburning Torch
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Hydromancers have been eradicated

Wielder of Stone (Autolycus)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are wielder of stone, member of the College of Stones
Alignment: town
Faction: Geomancers
Elemental training: Fire: AV 1, DV 2; Earth: AV 3, DV 2; Water: AV 1, DV 1; Air: AV 0, DV 2.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 10/10
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 2 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of stone to disciples of earth (1 as a night action)
3. as a night action, you can protect one person: target gets 1 point of damage less from every attack per 2 points of yours earth AV
4. you can buy earth AV with discount of 1 XP
5. you can use Gem of Invulnerability
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Aeromancers have been eradicated

Wielder of wave (Edse)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are wielder of wave, member of the College of Waves
Alignment: town
Faction: Hydromancers
Elemental training: Fire: AV 0, DV 1; Earth: AV 1, DV 2; Water: AV 3, DV 2; Air: AV 1, DV 2.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 10/10
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 2 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of wave to disciples of water (1 as a night action)
3. as a night action, you can heal one person – healed character regains 1 HP per 2 points of yours water AV
4. you can buy water AV with discount of 1 XP
5. you can use Fluid Sculpture
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Pyromancers have been eradicated

Wielder of wind (Montmorency, was Ironside)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are wielder of wind, member of the College of Winds
Alignment: town
Faction: Aeromancers
Elemental training: Fire: AV 1, DV 1; Earth: AV 0, DV 2; Water: AV 1, DV 1; Air: AV 3, DV 2.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 10/10
Abilities:
1. you can recruit new students (up to 2 invitations as a night action – pm me names of these students and I will send them information that they have been invited; they will decide if they want to join)
2. you can promote students of wind to disciples of air (1 as a night action)
3. as a night action, you can cast haste on one person: – targeted player gets +1 to all DV per 2 points of yours air AV, but only for purpose of determining if attack hit (not damage), and +1 to all AV per 2 points of yours air AV, but only for purpose of determining if counter attack hit
4. you can buy air AV with discount of 1 XP
5. you can use Jar of Infinite Winds
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, Geomancers have been eradicated

5. Unaligned townies

Easterlings (ATPG, El Barto)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are young student from the eastern part of Empire. You have some experience in hard work on the rye fields.
Alignment: town
Faction: unaligned
Elemental training: Fire: AV 0 DV 1; Earth: AV 1 DV 1; Water: AV 2 DV 0; Air AV 0 DV 0.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 12/12
Abilities:
1. you and your brother know each other well. At the begining of the game, you know that the other is innocent
2. you start game with 5 XP
Weakness:
1. Academy authorities are aware of your strong bond and does not want it to be more important than other afiliations for you. Therefore, by their decree, you cant both join the same college of magic
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, you survive to the end of game
Easterlings qt:
I was thinking their will be more powerful with their qt

North Man (Xenoneb, Visorslash)
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are young student from the north part of Empire. In this region, farmers sometimes have to fight with forces of chaos, fighting is not new thing for you. You have also been touched by corruption during skirmishes with orc bands
Alignment: town
Faction: unaligned
Elemental training: Fire: AV 1 DV 2; Earth: AV 0 DV 0; Water: AV 1 DV 2; Air: AV 0 DV 2.
Corruption Score: 1
Hit Points: 12/12
Abilities:
1. you start game with 5 XP
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, you survive to the end of game

Young pupil/vanilla townie (rest of players). Different stats for different players, but similar in magnitude
Welcome in the Academy of Elemental Magic.
You are young student from one of the Empire core cities. You have not chosen path for your elemental training yet.
Alignment: town
Faction: unaligned
Elemental training: Fire: AV 0 DV 1; Earth: AV 0 DV 2; Water: AV 1 DV 0; Air: AV 2 DV 0.
Corruption Score: 0
Hit Points: 10/10
Abilities:
1. beginners luck: first attack that would otherwise kill you, reduces your HP to 1 instead. If you join any college of magic, you will lose this ability. It is one-time only ability
2. you start game with 5 XP
Victory condition: All threats to the Academy are eliminated, you survive to the end of game

Due to low number of players, some roles were not used (for example, city-dweller - person born in town, able to steal items from others, or Westerling - I do not remember what his role was)

Information about items. Almost all of them had hidden quality.

Everburning Torch
Everburning Torch could be used (by wielder of flame or the Pyromancer) every night for one of following actions:
improve fire AV of attacker by 1 (not a separate action)
get ability to scan attacked character (not a separate action)
made targeted character (any) immune to any elements different than fire, i. e. Everburning Torch protects against water, air & earth based attacks, and makes immune to healing, protecting and haste (this use counts as a night action)
track targeted character (any) if his dominant element is fire, or learns that he cannot be tracked because his dominant element is not fire (this use counts as a night action)
heal user for amount of HP equal to his/her fire DV (this use counts as a night action)
Hidden properties: if used for second time to protect the same character, it only seems that this character is protected; if used by moderately (or more) corrupted character to scan, it always gives result of 'utterly corrupted'

Gem of Invulnerability
Gem of Invulnerability could be used (by wielder of stone or the Geomancer) every night for one of following actions:
improve earth AV of attacker by 1 (not a separate action)
get ability to scan attacked character (not a separate action)
made targeted character (any) immune to any elements different than earth, i. e. Gem of Invulnerability protects against water, fire & air based attacks, and makes immune to healing, cleansing and haste (this use counts as a night action)
track targeted character (any) if his dominant element is earth, or learns that he cannot be tracked because his dominant element is not earth (this use counts as a night action)
heal user for amount of HP equal to his/her earth DV (this use counts as a night action)
Hidden properties: if used for second time to protect the same character, it only seems that this character is protected; if used by moderately (or more) corrupted character to scan, it always gives result of 'utterly corrupted'

Fluid Sculpture
Fluid Sculpture could be used (by wielder of wave or the Hydromancer) every night for one of following actions:
improve water AV of attacker by 1 (not a separate action)
get ability to scan attacked character (not a separate action)
made targeted character (any) immune to any elements different than water, i. e. Fluid Sculpture protects against fire, air & earth based attacks, and makes immune to cleansing, protecting and haste (this use counts as a night action)
track targeted character (any) if his dominant element is water, or learns that he cannot be tracked because his dominant element is not water (this use counts as a night action)
heal user for amount of HP equal to his/her water DV (this use counts as a night action)
Hidden properties: if used for second time to protect the same character, it only seems that this character is protected; if used by moderately (or more) corrupted character to scan, it always gives result of 'utterly corrupted'

Jar of Infinite Winds
Jar of Infinite Winds could be used (by wielder of wind or the Aeromancer) every night for one of following actions:
improve air AV of attacker by 1 (not a separate action)
get ability to scan attacked character (not a separate action)
made targeted character (any) immune to any elements different than air, i. e. Jar of Infinite Winds protects against water, fire & earth based attacks, and makes immune to healing, protecting and cleansing (this use counts as a night action)
track targeted character (any) if his dominant element is air, or learns that he cannot be tracked because his dominant element is not air (this use counts as a night action)
heal user for amount of HP equal to his/her air DV (this use counts as a night action)
Hidden properties: if used for second time to protect the same character, it only seems that this character is protected; if used by moderately (or more) corrupted character to scan, it always gives result of 'utterly corrupted'

Dagger of corruption
If character wields this dagger during succesfull attack or counter-attack, victim of such attack gains 1 point of corruption

Shield of True Purity
adds + 1 to all DV's of player holding it that are lower than 4. If the holder of the Shield has no corruption points, corruption of attacker is ignored (attacker does not make additional damage because of his/her corruption). If player holding the Shield performs defense action, it adds +1 to all DV's even if they are 4 or higher

Elemental potions
muddy one give +1 to earth and water DV; steamy one +1 to air and fire DV, both for 2 nights. Hidden property: they corrupt user for 1 point each

Jade Katana
This blade functions differently for characters with different levels of corruption.
If your corruption level is „uncorrupted”, then it adds + 1 to any attack AV, and additional +2 damage against target with corruption level of „utterly corrupted”.
If your corruption level is „utterly corrupted”, then it adds +1 to any attack AV, and additional +2 damage against target with corruption level of „uncorrupted”.
If your corruption level is between this two, it just adds +1 to any attack AV

Lenses of Elemental Vision
As a night action, user can scan another character. It gives information about target's AV and DV in element chosen by user, and information about target's corruption level. Only members of the colleges can use this item, but students will not get info about corruption. Only wielders or masters can use it fully effectively (get numbers, not estimations of them)
Hidden property: if corrupted character (CS at least 2, i. e. not uncorrupted) uses lenses for scanning, he would get false corruption raport: every one will scan as utterly corrupted; he would get correct result on element AV and DV The lense's hidden property messed with town a lot...

Spectral Hand
As a FREE action, user can try to steal item from one target. If the target has any item, it is stolen and Hand is destroyed. If target has no items, hand can be used another time
Hidden property: if character uses Hand succesfully, he gains 1 point of corruption

Wands of haste, healing, protecting and cleansing
each of them allow casting appropriate spell. Anyone can use it. Using wand is an action, it also costs 1 HP.
Hidden property: if user has less than 5 corruption points, he gains one; if target has less than 5 corruption points, he gains one (with exception of the wand of cleansing); character will get only 1 CP if he is both user and target Never used by anyone

Figurine of wondrous power
it allows you to sent message to any other player; remember to include me as a recipient of such message. It can be used multiple times.
Hidden property: after sending message to or from utterly corrupted player, figurine will become corrupted itself. From this moment, recipients of messages will get 1 point of corruption. would be better if I give this item to the town earlier

Jarema

12-28-2012, 08:02

mafia qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/yeYRgJqW4arRf

colege's qts:
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/kP6dAiJuKuW3
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/2Yt2D4b4bnhQk
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/uUCXjydrkbQQ
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/4tKdMcRy2z3jj
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/tDcqMFhU6ij
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/EMng2nmkBreYy
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/iKW8T8SJdjHu
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/AiwJRkBvTLa

Easterlings qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/mcVvk8eFxrLe

Mafia special:
when only one mafia member was alive, he had to choose one of 2 ways. Both of them gave significant bonuses, but it was in fact too late for him...

Kennigit, as a last living member of Defilers you have to make special choice:
either give up to the despair (must attack someone every night, automatically gain one corruption point every night and heal 1 HP every night)
or try to preach credo of Defilers (as a free action scan someone to see if he/she is severly or utterly corrupted; if target is severly corrupted, during next night his corruption can be raised to utterly corrupted state as a night action; if target is utterly corrupted, as a night action he may be converted to Defilers; only one player can be ever converted that way); if you choose the second option you will learn more about corruption effect on innocent players

Information that college masters get at the beginning of the game:

Information for college masters:
you have one wielder under your leadership, and you hold a sacred artifact. There is no guarantee that wielder that works with you is not a scum.
Colleges of magic:
1. There are following ranks in each college, each with its own benefits:
student (of flame, wind, wave or stone). He has ability to conduct coordinated attacks, together with other members of his college. Gets access to College qt.
disciple (of fire, air, water, or earth). Can buy AV in college's element with discount of 1 XP (pays 5 for AV 6 for example).
wielder (of flame, wind, wave or stone). Can recruit new students, or promote them to disciples. Can use college's artifact if Master/Mistres handles it to him. Gets ability specific to college:
wielders of flame get ability to cleanse corruption
wielders of stone get ability to protect
wielders of wave get ability to heal
wielders of wind get ability to haste
Master/Mistress. While all members of College of Flame are collectively known as Pyromancers, only its Mistress is adressed as the Pyromancer. Can recruit new students, promote them to disciples, and promote disciples to wielders. Can use college's artifact. As a free action, can give artifact to one of wielders. Can scan one player during night and learn about his dominant element and corruption level. If he/she dies, new one can be appointed from ranks of wielders (chosen by voting)
2. Each college has one sacred artifact. At the begining of game, it is at hands of college Master/Mistress. Forces of corruption and depravity would gladly get this artifacts into their hands

Special: each master/mistress is rather old person. Buying any AV, DV, corruption or HP costs them twice as much of XP as it is for other players, but they have high starting numbers in AV's and DV's.

And the most important mechanic that never worked to its fullest, corruption:

When player is moderately corrupted, ALL his scanning actions brings result of utterly corrupted.
Player becomes utterly corrupted when he has at least 6 points of corruption AND number of them exceeds his HP.
When player is severly or utterly corrupted, he must attack someone every night.
When non-scum player is utterly corrupted, his VC changes forever. Every utterly corrupted player forever stays utterly corrupted, even if his number of corruption points drops later.
VC of utterly corrupted player: you are scum-related survivor. In order to win a game, you must survive to the end of game and one of scum factions must be victorious. If all both original scum factions are eliminated, you become faction of you own and can win only if you eliminate ALL other player.
Examples (for purposes of this examples, let's suppose there are 2 mafia teams). Alive players: you, one member of mafia A, one member of mafia B, three town players. Scenarios:
1. mafia A is lynched, you can win with mafia B
2. mafia B is lynched, you can win with mafia A
3. town is eliminated, you can win if you survive long enough to see one of mafias eliminated
4. both mafia players are eliminated, you must kill all town players

Reasons of corruption:
1. Corrupting attack (starting mafia's item property)
2. Serial killer aura
3. Killing someone as a result of night action (only if player is not utterly corrupted) – 2 points of corruption if player's corruption is 1 or 0.
4. Participating in lynch of innocent (only if player's corruption level is 0)
5. various items
6. training (XP expenditure)

Jarema

12-28-2012, 08:03

Some comments on the game (will write more here later):

1. Game was balanced around idea of fight between colleges. Without it, it was too hard for scum. At least, harder than I intended it to be. So, if someone says something like 'my college lost the game, but in fact I won because I was townie and we catched all the scum', I disagree. That person 'won' easier game that this one was supposed to be. All abilities of college members were strong, and balanced (in my mind at least) by the fact, that they HAD TO fight with each other

2. I feel a little bit sorry for the mafia. I think they made strategically bad decision about not joining colleges. For me, it was obvious that they should do it. But I have known whole setting; probably it was not so obvious from they point of view. Anyway, after not joining the colleges they were easy targets (and compare it with Chaotix)

3. I had to make few decisions during the game. The first ones, made on day one, might have the largest impact on the game. First, I agree for swapping roles between Montmorency and Ironside. I had to follow it by givving all college heads information, that their starting wielder is guaranteed innocent at the game start. Second, I agreed for creation of 'lower tie' qt's for each college. In order to balance this pro-town advantage, I decided that all items (with exception of Shield of True Purity and Jade Katana) will have some hidden effects, detrimental to the town-aligned user; I also added such effect to the college artifacts.

4. I totaly forgot about one of mafia abilities: Victim of mafia attack is diseased if his/her corruption level is lower than mafia one – suffers damage equal to half of mafia's player CL next night. I realised it after few days, and decided to not use it at all. I want to thank Montmorency, with whom I discussed it a little, and other players who were ready to help me with that case if they should.

5. I do not use infallable scanners in my games (well, with one exception: if there are lot of scanners, some of them may be infallable, like one of every four). I always use millers, framers, godfathers or something like that (or something different). In this game, I had a lot of scanners: mafia scanner, four college heads (new college heads also get this ability), and scanning item. On the other side: moderately (or more) corrupted college heads will get false results, Lenses were not working well, SK could use aura to conceal his corruption, townies might become more corrupted than mafia.... Also, some townies started game as corrupted as mafia seer.
Well, it does not work as intended. Mafia was wiped easily with (a little lucky) use of scans.

6. I believe that the best course of action for mafia would be to sit quiet, infiltrate colleges, and do not kill anyone... at least for some time. That way, they would be less corrupted than townies. But, well, mafia players diod not knew whole setting.

Chaotix

12-28-2012, 08:48

Thanks for the game Jarema, I had a load of fun with it!

One thing is still bugging me, though - what was up with the Elemental Lens? The way it worked was certainly helpful to me in-game, but I couldn't figure what was actually going on with it. What were its real functions?

Jarema

12-28-2012, 09:17

I will post it soon

EDIT: info on items added

seireikhaan

12-28-2012, 09:20

Neato! I'm still claiming this as a town victory, as a whole. Bad luck, defilers. And.. an interesting game setup, Jarema. I wasn't sure on this game, to be quite honest, but it ended up working itself out in the end. Town was, honestly, a bit overpowered though. The college mechanic was interesting, might be worth another look in another game. My only quibble at the moment was the general prohibition on PM'ing, but perhaps that was wise, in the end, as a safeguard against proper town cooperation. Hmm...

Arjos

12-28-2012, 09:27

Thank you Jarema ^^
I definitely appreciated all the effort put in this game!

Askthepizzaguy

12-28-2012, 09:28

I think this game serves as the finest example of why detectives are :daisy:.

I loathe detectives and all the rest of you should too. You should trust your gut over some scan any day.

seireikhaan

12-28-2012, 09:43

I think this game serves as the finest example of why detectives are :daisy:.

I loathe detectives and all the rest of you should too. You should trust your gut over some scan any day.
Otoh, it was my scans that led to multiple scum lynches... however, I admit to being over-reliant on them, and it was my gut that got me investigating them in the first place. I felt bad every time I scanned, like I was kicking a puppy. A puppy that showered me with candy every second kick...

Jarema

12-28-2012, 10:12

Town was, honestly, a bit overpowered though.
I still think it would not be overpowered, if all players honestly try to fulfill their victory conditions...
I see now it is hard to do it, as town players see fighting mafia as more important than other thing. So it was my mistake to think about town in-fights as a very strong balancing factor; at best, it was a weak balancing factor. Therefore I agree, mafia was underpowered a bit. OTOH, there was 4 of them, and possibly more... Lack of town fights resulted not only in concentration at lynching scum, but also in low corruption level in general.. It has 2 effects at least: 1. mafia easier to spot with scans, due to higher corruption than town. 2. change in the victory conditions due to high corruption never happened to anyone

Also, see 'mafia special' ((I still update earlier posts). And wait for info on corruption.

Jarema

12-28-2012, 10:36

Lets assume that mafia managed to exist little longer, and corrupted one player to 'utterly corrupted;' status with their item (and maybe with help of SK aura).
What would it be, if ATPG (or, better, Issaikhaan) suddenly have VC like that?
VC of utterly corrupted player: you are scum-related survivor. In order to win a game, you must survive to the end of game and one of scum factions must be victorious. If all both original scum factions are eliminated, you become faction of you own and can win only if you eliminate ALL other player.

It could change the course of this game.

So we are back to two main things (IMO):
1. no college wars, so lower corruption and time to concentrate on scum catching
2. mafia members would do better if they try to keep low profile (no night kills!) and have one member in every college. I was thinking about mafia players having information of every action of every college in the game...

Jarema

12-28-2012, 10:41

I want to thank all active players for their time and effort.

I also want to thank all players for signing into my game, I thought it would be good to have some 'bodies' to kill, so I am grateful to players who agreed to join albeit their knew they will not be very active

Hosting this game was a great pleasure (and a great PITA at times), and I learned a lot about being a host.

I plan to make sequel of this game in future (if I found enough willing players). This time, with simplified mechanic (stro0ngly simplified). It would be continuation of this game (College of Waves will rule the Academy, there would be underground movement wanting to re-instale College of Flames)

Askthepizzaguy

12-28-2012, 10:49

Otoh, it was my scans that led to multiple scum lynches... however, I admit to being over-reliant on them, and it was my gut that got me investigating them in the first place. I felt bad every time I scanned, like I was kicking a puppy. A puppy that showered me with candy every second kick...

Yes, when you put it that way. We all know that scanning can be a powerful weapon.

But we also saw that scans can be misused, untrustworthy.

I am a bit reluctant to rely too heavily on scans and in the back of my mind I'm always double-checking whether I believe the supposed scanner, the scan-ee, and the reactions of the people involved. But even with my skepticism, I didn't think I'd ever be in a situation where I disbelieved my own scan.

Edse really talked me down from my own scan, just by being himself and answering honestly. There was a truth that shone in his responses that made me doubt the scan result, and that factored with the "utterly corrupted" which was more corrupted than any scum we'd scanned thusfar, told me that something was askew.

I honestly can't recall another time, unless it's an innocent scan in a godfather game, where I've ever actively distrusted a scan over my own gut reaction.

I guess I like mafia because it keeps surprising me. It's never the same old game.

Ironside

12-28-2012, 11:20

Man, water had crazy recruitment. I never expected earth to be that small.

So we are back to two main things (IMO):
1. no college wars, so lower corruption and time to concentrate on scum catching
2. mafia members would do better if they try to keep low profile (no night kills!) and have one member in every college. I was thinking about mafia players having information of every action of every college in the game...

The early losses of high profile guildies really slowed the guild war idea down. I mean I wasn't prepared to start any kind of guild war until I ordered the attack on Auto because getting a stable, reliable guild with a proper amount of members took that long. Really, the phases of a guild in this game are recruit, consolidate, search and destroy. Tracking down the other guild takes quite a long time.

Had Monty and Tincow survived, you'd your guild war (with rotation and tracking, so pinning down the ones who gone crazy wouldn't take that long :book2:).

Jarema

12-28-2012, 11:28

(with rotation and tracking, so pinning down the ones who gone crazy wouldn't take that long :book2:).

yeah, shame for those who became corrupted. But for mafia, ideal situation - someone else in at the spotlight... and mafia can fulfill their goals then by simply participating in college-sanctioned kills... maybe manipulating colelges from inside to spare their scum partners

anyway, game went another way. And it also was interesting to watch for me (Chaotix almost made it - he had 2 college items, and knew owners of another two or at least one)

Jarema

12-28-2012, 11:32

Edse really talked me down from my own scan, just by being himself and answering honestly. There was a truth that shone in his responses that made me doubt the scan result, and that factored with the "utterly corrupted" which was more corrupted than any scum we'd scanned thusfar, told me that something was askew.
.
It was really interesting to watch you fight for Edse's life against your own scan result.
Doubting your own scan was also, for me, new proof of your high mafia-playing ability

edse

12-28-2012, 11:44

I guess I like mafia because it keeps surprising me. It's never the same old game.

Beautiful :OrsonWellesclapping:

edse

12-28-2012, 13:37

I should not have voted the Water Wand to Elite Ferret ~:mecry:

Man, water had crazy recruitment. I never expected earth to be that small.

We actually sent less invitations then you did :rolleyes:

There were two distinct recruitment methods, mass invitation used by Water and Air and careful recruitment used by Fire and Earth.

I did a nice little table, numbers are night they got promoted (1 number = student, 2 numbers = disciple, 3 numbers = wielder)

<tbody>
Andres

NinjaCow64

Issaikhaan

Ironside

Arjos
Xenoneb

edse

Ignoramus

autolycus

Montmorency

BSmith
Memnon

White_eyes
1 3 6
LazyMcCrow
3
johnhughtom
2 3 4
TinCow
1 3 4
Riedquat

Visorslash
1 3 8

ATPG
1 3 6
Kennigit

Chaotix
1 3

Elite Ferret
2 3 9

El Barto
1

Alsark
5

Robbiecon
2

Captain Blackadder
5

</tbody>

Ferret

12-28-2012, 14:16

I think this game serves as the finest example of why detectives are :daisy:.

I loathe detectives and all the rest of you should too. You should trust your gut over some scan any day.

Yeah, trust your gut and try and lynch your whole, innocent, college. The only one you didn't accuse of being scum was Captain Blackadder. :clown:

At least I managed to save Ironside in the end, although it was a bit annoying to be lynched for suggesting that all he involved parties were innocent, seeing as it was actually true...

I won't be forgetting edse-gate for a long, long time. If it wasn't for that and the fire college's sudden dissapearance I'm sure the aeromancers would have had a decent shout at a win. I got the feeling we were just about to go on all out attack mode before everything got incrediby messy.

I nearly didn't join this game, due to the fact that I hate the idea of magic, but I sure am glad I did. This was one of the most intricate and intriguing games I've ever played. Thanks for hosting Jarema! :bow:

Riedquat

12-28-2012, 14:55

Congratulations town!! I was really worried there were another scum left... and as you can see I didn't lie so much... :laugh4:

I never enjoyed a game so much while being dead. No, wait! I never enjoyed myself so much in any game! Thanks for hosting Master Jarema! :bow:

Still I think we were a bit underpowered, we all attacked Chaotix same night and he survived...:rolleyes:

TinCow

12-28-2012, 15:10

El Barto

12-28-2012, 17:31

Jarema

12-28-2012, 17:44

Re: College War, I think this is a very difficult thing to achieve. Many games have used the divided town mechanic, but very few of them have resulted in any serious, intentional town infighting. I think that part of the problem is that if you tell a player they are a townie, most of the time they are going to prioritize their victory conditions as (1) kill mafia and (2) achieve secondary victory. In addition, it's very difficult to intentionally stop hunting for mafia and only look for the opposing townies. Such a redirection in priority can be noticed by other townies and looks scummy, so even for those townies who are interested in killing the other side, it's still in their interests to continue actively looking for scum all the time. This tends to achieve the same result as a united town hunting for scum.
yeah, after this game my opinion is exactly as yours. Now I know, that if I really want in-town war, I must design something new in order to achieve it, not just establish certain victory conditions.

Jarema

12-28-2012, 18:26

I forgot to post one more thing (well, maybe I forgot about more of them?): descriptions
As I am bad at creating them, I had prepared list of what should be shown in them before I startet the game. I tried to stick to this

if attack hits only due to corruption, it would be described ( not necessarilly very obvious); corruption would be described as warped forms of element – dirty, mis-shapen, etc.
Like: attacker tried to hit Jarema with bolt of flame but missed. He waved his hand, and flame, now blackened, attacked once more.

In case of demon worshipper corruption would be described as praying to demons, faces looking from fire, voices in the flames, etc., (as if elements were possessed with malignant spirits) even though he has no bonus to attack. His attacks will be always descripted with such elements

element used would be described
number of attackers would be described

wounds would be described in 3 categories: scratch, light wound (up to 3 HP), moderate/severe wound (3-4 HP and more), heavy, almost lehtal wound (half of maximum HP or more)

Corruption would not be described on counter-attacks

seireikhaan

12-28-2012, 19:04

Earth only had three people?! GAH! I thought there were 5ish Dirtmongers, I would have urged attacks far earlier if I had known how small you guys were.

Re: College War, I think this is a very difficult thing to achieve. Many games have used the divided town mechanic, but very few of them have resulted in any serious, intentional town infighting. I think that part of the problem is that if you tell a player they are a townie, most of the time they are going to prioritize their victory conditions as (1) kill mafia and (2) achieve secondary victory. In addition, it's very difficult to intentionally stop hunting for mafia and only look for the opposing townies. Such a redirection in priority can be noticed by other townies and looks scummy, so even for those townies who are interested in killing the other side, it's still in their interests to continue actively looking for scum all the time. This tends to achieve the same result as a united town hunting for scum.
I wuv you too, TinCow. :kiss:

No, I had auto do invites for the first two nights. When that netted us only JHT, I said "screw it" and closed ranks, deciding to just accept a smaller, concentrated school which I could trust and verify as innocent. This also allowed me to actually focus on scum hunting, which I sorta figured was my job, since I had a scanning power. In retrospect, this was a smart decision, insofar as the game mechanics were concerned- if the defilers hadn't gotten killed so fast, they could have easily infiltrated the ranks of air or water and screwed their whole processes over with leaked information. Didn't obviously work out that way, but I still have no regrets over my decision.

White_eyes:D

12-28-2012, 19:06

Man did I get lucky in giving the Water College Artifact to Visorslash....had I given it to Chaotix....:sweatdrop:

I also realize it was just luck that the Water College even won. We never attacked any member of the College of Fire, we even had the last scumbag in our College and to top it off killed TinCow who called for a truce. That could have restarted the College wars. :wall:

In fact, the only worthwhile thing we did do was try and kill or lynch Kenngit. I think Khaan and co. would have killed him at some point anyway. The only other thing we did right, was that our former Headmaster's of edse and Andres really paved the way for our survival against fire.:book:

I think the Seer of the mafia needed some kind of recruitment...and before you go "White_eyes, you hate recruitment with a fierce passion". I still sort of do, but with everyone having vig-killing powers it becomes more of a survival ability for scum then a "God-mode activate" kind of thing.:robot:

I really enjoyed this game for the Magic based stuff. Almost one hit-killing EF remains the highlight for me...:laugh4:

Good game everyone.:bow:

Ferret

12-28-2012, 19:18

I really enjoyed this game for the Magic based stuff. Almost one hit-killing EF remains the highlight for me...:laugh4:

Almost one hit killing? You took away 6 out of 13 HP, calm yourself down. :clown:

Riedquat

12-28-2012, 19:21

Oh, and wewinwewinwewinkumquatloseswewinwinwin!

At least poor kumquat had the satisfaction of smashing someone's head with a big rock before going down. ~D

White_eyes:D

12-28-2012, 19:29

Almost one hit killing? You took away 6 out of 13 HP, calm yourself down. :clown:

Had Visorslash joined in....you would have died that night. Sad part was that would have been VERY bad, as Ironside would have been lynched.:sweatdrop:

Jarema

12-28-2012, 19:57

I would be hosting NOTW game at civfanatics. Game is named 'Holy Crusade' and is re-do of my mini mafia game of the same name.
It would be in some ways similar to this one. If someone is interested, you can sign here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12104943#post12104943

NinjaCow64

12-29-2012, 08:09

Fire will rise again!

It was a good game, although I did play it badly. Next time I would just try and recruit everyone and worry about scans later.

Askthepizzaguy

12-29-2012, 10:12

A great showing, Jarema.

If I can get my personal life settled down, I'd like to discuss with you an idea for a sequel.

Ironside

12-29-2012, 16:46

Coming around reading through the quicktopics. Chaotix, you'd be extremely suspect by post 27. :stare:

And something I thought about boosting scan framing since it's rarely useful (you'll need to be very lucky to pull something that ends up like this). Make it last for 2 turns.

El Barto

12-29-2012, 16:59

At least poor kumquat had the satisfaction of smashing someone's head with a big rock before going down. ~D
I feels for ya, brah.

A great showing, Jarema.

If I can get my personal life settled down, I'd like to discuss with you an idea for a sequel.
Pizza, first get your current game in order, don't bite off more than you can chew.

Jarema

12-29-2012, 20:11

If I can get my personal life settled down, I'd like to discuss with you an idea for a sequel.

It is not a matter of next few weeks, so I hope we can discuss it

Visor

12-29-2012, 23:24

Water college win! Good job.

Thanks for the game jarrema, it was really quite good and I enjoyed it a lot.

Montmorency

12-30-2012, 00:40

It's important for you all to know that I had Kennigit pegged from the beginning. It's all in the QT. :smug:

Good on town, though - despite rampaging through the original Schoolmen, they went on a roll against scum in the first half of the game!

This is like, uh, that one recent game - anyone help me out? Past half year...Werewolves, right? Do I recall correctly?

White_eyes:D

12-30-2012, 20:10

After reading thru the mafia QT's, I feel for poor Jarema...I could just tell he was trying his best to convince the mafia to join colleges but they had none of it.:no:

Personally, I can't see the downfall of joining a college as scum...cheaper to upgrade skills, college members have your back(Mostly), much easier to instigate college wars and trade intel. The only downfall is that the Headmaster may tell you to do something and you better DO it.:book2:

I now think the set-up was balanced-ish, if the mafia would have joined various colleges I really think town would have lost.:sweatdrop:

Riedquat

12-30-2012, 21:13

Personally, I can't see the downfall of joining a college as scum...cheaper to upgrade skills, college members have your back(Mostly), much easier to instigate college wars and trade intel. The only downfall is that the Headmaster may tell you to do something and you better DO it.:book2::

A couple of things, we didn't know about the discount upgrading skills so joining a college of an element we weren't strong seemed odd to us at that time, we expected to get other invites to match our base skills, the only one of us to get a second invitation was kennigit in his last day but at that time our fate was already sealed.

I now think the set-up was balanced-ish, if the mafia would have joined various colleges I really think town would have lost.

I don't know, I still feel we needed the ability to kill alone or at least coupled, without it we would be sitting ducks expecting someone to notice our base corruption.

Jarema

12-30-2012, 22:21

without it we would be sitting ducks expecting someone to notice our base corruption.

your starting corruption was 2 points higher than corruption of some townies. Cult seer's corruption was only 1 point higher than corruption of some townies... I think after few nights of not killing, some players will have higher corruption than you.

But of course, killing was also possible. Most characters would not survive attack of 3 of you... I think Chaotix was sole exception, maybe also college head will have a chance. And if you invest some XP both to attack and into corruption, you will be able to kill in teams of 2. Of course, then your corruption would be even more obvious

There is other interesting thing IMO: only one college heas (Issaikhaan) put real effort into searching for scum with his scans. If all college heads scan for scum... well, that could be overpowered for town.
I also believe that protection offered by college items was too powerful (absolute protection from 3 elements). I will change it in future game.

seireikhaan

12-30-2012, 22:39

There is other interesting thing IMO: only one college heas (Issaikhaan) put real effort into searching for scum with his scans. If all college heads scan for scum... well, that could be overpowered for town.
I also believe that protection offered by college items was too powerful (absolute protection from 3 elements). I will change it in future game.
:smug:

I was a good townie. Now, those other, greedy headmasters... :whip:

White_eyes:D

12-31-2012, 01:23

A couple of things, we didn't know about the discount upgrading skills so joining a college of an element we weren't strong seemed odd to us at that time, we expected to get other invites to match our base skills, the only one of us to get a second invitation was kennigit in his last day but at that time our fate was already sealed.

I still would have done so...if only to get in the Air and Water college's(One of each would have been best). I think you guys were focusing too much on your AV's...almost all the water college didn't reveal or were not asked to reveal their water AV/DV.

It was corruption and inter-college war that should have been your focus...you see, if you would have been in Air or Water you could have redirected more suspicion at various colleges. I mean Pizzaguy freaked out, when he found out he was being randomly attacked by water. Chaotix ran nearly undetected for some time until that whole Pizzaguy thing...and during that time if the scum would have been killing at even one person per night, they would have controlled most of the vote by day 13(?), if none of them were lynched of course.:book:

Still, I am surprised that Khaan was so town this game.:laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

12-31-2012, 09:14

Khaan knocks himself a bit too much. I've seen khaan generally kick butt when he gets into a game and doesn't look his usual always scummy.

This game he knocks it out of the park. But he's done that before. CAMPGROUND.