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Montmorency
12-01-2016, 20:47
Hindsight isn't worth a damn, speak up more forcefully if you hate something so much.
War crimes trials shall proceed as you wish, Sir General.
This kind of sentiment really annoys me.
Hindsight isn't worth a damn, speak up more forcefully if you hate something so much.
What annoys me is when you made a post this morning excusing yourself of any blame because he "was acting scummy" when in fact he was playing exactly the same as his other town games on this site in which he was universally townread
I don't think dp has been any different than the most recent game, so idk where all the votes are coming from.
and I did voice my opinion gh
sorry I didn't yell it in all caps would that have satisfied you
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:05
he was universally townread
Recall Pizza going so far as to say "he smells like wet dog" when scum-reading DP101 last game. 'This isn't the DP101 we know' or somesuch.
The one where Pizza was scum claiming serial killer. :/
GH's posts this game don't seem genuine at all to me. Like he is making carefully calculated chess moves to push his agenda.
Recall Pizza going so far as to say "he smells like wet dog" when scum-reading DP101 last game. 'This isn't the DP101 we know' or somesuch.
The one where Pizza was scum claiming serial killer. :/
well I didn't really pay much attention to that game after I died
but he was being townread while I was alive
also he was EXACTLY THE SAME as that game so ???
he was being very transparent in revealing his thought process in a way that is typical of villagers and him in particular
Stork is very likely a villager
lolwolves and so forth for that nightkill
Renata
I think you're the one who mentioned something about a n0
knowing visor I seriously doubt there's a cop in this game, especially one with a n0 check, and if there is i will be CROSS with him
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:09
I'm letting it out into the conversation because it might just have bearing on my hypothesis on premeditated mislynch of the closest thing to pre-lock town.
Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222-Tokens-of-My-Confection-Concluded&p=2053722631&viewfull=1#post2053722631) was the post I had in mind:
If there's a wolf on Zack and it's not Aria, that's your guy. This isn't the same dp101 from last game.
He smells like wet dog.
I'm letting it out into the conversation because it might just have bearing on my hypothesis on premeditated mislynch of the closest thing to pre-lock town.
Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222-Tokens-of-My-Confection-Concluded&p=2053722631&viewfull=1#post2053722631) was the post I had in mind:
I think there is definitely credence to GH's case on dp101 being a calculated move
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:13
Mechanically, can there even be a N0 action if there isn't a N0 waiting period?
What, does he get the first PM and 10 minutes to make a decision? What would the point of that even be?
Am I misunderstanding something here?
there were things I was going to say but I forgot what they were unfortunately
Mechanically, can there even be a N0 action if there isn't a N0 waiting period?
What, does he get the first PM and 10 minutes to make a decision? What would the point of that even be?
Am I misunderstanding something here?
usually they do not choose the n0 peek, it's just a random villager
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:17
Then I don't think anyone should take that possibility into their lynch or kill considerations unless someone explicitly makes the claim. There's no end to the rabbit hole otherwise.
GeneralHankerchief
12-01-2016, 21:28
and I did voice my opinion gh
sorry I didn't yell it in all caps would that have satisfied you
Okay so then what's the point of the previous post that I quoted?
"lol wow you all suck i'm so much better than you"
It does nothing. It doesn't help us move forward. It brings town morale down. It's patting yourself on the back for getting something right in which there's a >50% possibility, all other things equal, that you are going to be right.
It's an utterly worthless post.
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:37
>50% possibility
How's that? Or, why did you use that particular number?
The lynch yesterday was awful wtf is wrong with you people
I am full of shame.
Renata
I think you're the one who mentioned something about a n0
knowing visor I seriously doubt there's a cop in this game, especially one with a n0 check, and if there is i will be CROSS with him
Come to think of it I'm pretty sure he did say no cop somewhere or other.
Okay so then what's the point of the previous post that I quoted?
"lol wow you all suck i'm so much better than you"
It does nothing. It doesn't help us move forward. It brings town morale down. It's patting yourself on the back for getting something right in which there's a >50% possibility, all other things equal, that you are going to be right.
It's an utterly worthless post.
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GeneralHankerchief
12-01-2016, 21:41
How's that? Or, why did you use that particular number?
Numerical breakdown has more town than mafia, hence it's more likely to lynch a townie once all other factors are removed.
GeneralHankerchief
12-01-2016, 21:42
vote: generalhankerchief
I eagerly look forward to your "I stand by my vote, he looked really scummy" justification the day after I get mislynched.
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:43
He was just following orders.
Unvote: Al Sipsclar
Vote: GH
Renata, me finding you scummy isn't reason enough to switch off dp who I found to be the scummiest person in game. I'm always voting for my strongest scum suspect day 1.
Not sure why people are finding you towny, I've felt your tone has been agendary since day 1 which is why I said the more you talk, the scummier you sound.
I think Zack's your scum partner and I'm feeling that Pizza has been surprisingly underwhleming but I refuse to believe he randed scum 3 games in a row.
I'd like to know what about GH is so scummy. He looks OK to me. Is this another lolRenata moment?
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:48
I think Zack's your scum partner
As I hinted early on, this speaks more to the similarity in Zack and Renata's playstyles (and perhaps personalities) than to any partnership.
Why do you mention Pizza in a way bearing no relevance to the preceding clause?
Renata, me finding you scummy isn't reason enough to switch off dp who I found to be the scummiest person in game. I'm always voting for my strongest scum suspect day 1.
Not sure why people are finding you towny, I've felt your tone has been agendary since day 1 which is why I said the more you talk, the scummier you sound.
I think Zack's your scum partner and I'm feeling that Pizza has been surprisingly underwhleming but I refuse to believe he randed scum 3 games in a row.
didn't you say dp was a random vote? lol
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 21:50
I'd like to know what about GH is so scummy. He looks OK to me. Is this another lolRenata moment?
He is keeping it polished. As expected. It's the circumstances more than anything that demand scrutiny, and none of his polish has given me confidence.
Renata, me finding you scummy isn't reason enough to switch off dp who I found to be the scummiest person in game. I'm always voting for my strongest scum suspect day 1.
Not sure why people are finding you towny, I've felt your tone has been agendary since day 1 which is why I said the more you talk, the scummier you sound.
I think Zack's your scum partner and I'm feeling that Pizza has been surprisingly underwhleming but I refuse to believe he randed scum 3 games in a row.
The bolded is very funny to me for reasons I can't discuss (another game I'm in).
Pizza is in fact underwhelming, I'll agree with you on that much. There's one version of townie-Pizza I think I can read very well, and this isn't it.
didn't you say dp was a random vote? lol
He said his gut thought it was a good idea, to be strictly accurate.
He is keeping it polished. As expected. It's the circumstances more than anything that demand scrutiny, and none of his polish has given me confidence.
I feel like most of this is meta with respect to dp that I'm never going to understand. I'm not sure what to expect from GH as scum. There's no flaws in his presentation thus far.
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 22:05
There's no flaws in his presentation thus far.
So far at least he has limited himself from discussing co-extant matters.
Major non-DP comments on D1:
Morning all.
I power-read the past four pages in 10 minutes, can sort of see the case on Riedquat but not budging on DP.
I'm not really sure where the parade of Newyn votes came from besides the usual "lol day 1" sentiment but they need to wait because Dp101 really needs to be strung up today.
So far at least he has limited himself from discussing co-extant matters.
Major non-DP comments on D1:
Good point.
didn't you say dp was a random vote? lol
I didn't read everything when I voted him but I didn't like what I saw. His posts after my vote didn't change my mind. Not sure where you got the idea that it was random from.
Askthepizzaguy
12-01-2016, 22:14
The bolded is very funny to me for reasons I can't discuss (another game I'm in).
Pizza is in fact underwhelming, I'll agree with you on that much. There's one version of townie-Pizza I think I can read very well, and this isn't it.
If someone actually manages to read me well, it will be the first time in a long time.
There was that game we both lost miserably to scum Astral Rejection and company on the Dope. I was practically twisting arms trying to keep votes away from you, I was so sure. But this kind of stuff from you, heck if I know.
Askthepizzaguy
12-01-2016, 22:17
Also I am kind of an emergency meatbag right now. I wasn't planning on investing time in a game because reasons.
I'm here to vote and give some opinions when I can, and I have. I'm not at 100 percent or close to it.
Askthepizzaguy
12-01-2016, 22:19
There was that game we both lost miserably to scum Astral Rejection and company on the Dope. I was practically twisting arms trying to keep votes away from you, I was so sure. But this kind of stuff from you, heck if I know.
I need time.
Askthepizzaguy
12-01-2016, 22:20
What would be helpful to me is if people explained some of their reads. There's been plenty in the thread but I don't understand what they mean other than as a random declaration.
If people can do that it would be less forcing for me to give my opinion.
Montmorency
12-01-2016, 22:24
What about the possibility that at least some, particularly the early stage, of the wagon on DP101 was a premeditated to mislynch him in particular?
Not as a ride-or-die cause, but as a Plan A going into the game? Day 1 would be a relatively easy time to push that kind of thing over the edge.
Implicated in the first place would be Choxorn and/or GH.
El Barto
12-01-2016, 23:58
Oh, seriously, Monty, atpg tries a vote and you follow him, zack tries a vote and you then follow him, then you post this… this excrement?
Get off it.
If one will fault Barto for not caring about the lynch, then put it on him for parking his vote on me and pretending he's playing the game. You're being lazy, Bart - can you keep it up in the following days? It's not enough to just be lazy on Day 1 for you, savvy?
Seriously, dude. vote: Montmorency
On my account.
Eh?
I intend to apologize once I'm dead.
But dead people can't post… oh, right.
Is there any reasoning for Riedquat?
There never has been. He is just a third-party killing robot.
I'll take What is Context for $100, Alex.
I miss Al Sips and choxorn.
They had 12 votes between them yesterday. Good times.
El Barto
12-02-2016, 02:12
You want waggons to pile on, don't you, lass?
12 comments, even.
I have a wagon, started it even.
El Barto
12-02-2016, 02:18
C'mon, Monty, give me an answer other than ‘Get off it’.
Zacks posting today makes me much more comfortable about him than yesterday, his gh push is good and makes sense i think
here is a really disgusting read:
gh is possibly a wolf for deleting a post, not thinking about the fact that towns have to read posts to be able to solve the game and he removed that possibility without thinking about how bad it is for the game
probably not a wolf with ried for that reason though
thoughts?
El Barto
12-02-2016, 02:28
What deleted post?
What deleted post?
quats post after night fell, gh edited it out and then edited it back in
New read, Stork also a wolf.
El Barto
12-02-2016, 02:33
quats post after night fell, gh edited it out and then edited it back in
Oh, that. I skipped through that part right to Visor's update because I was +150 posts behind the thread. If I understood correctly it was edited out because it was done after the deadline but Visor hadn't specified that posting was banned at night or something like that?
New read, Stork also a wolf.
:quiet:
New read, Stork also a wolf.
Assuming you are a villager:
Do you play intentionally poorly here?
Even if you haven't read my posts (which you haven't if you made this read, seeing as i defended the stronger town and attempted to lynch a scummier player at eod [who might still be a wolf, not sure]), i would ~never kill alette n1 in a game i asked her to play with me because: she is easy to pocket, she is easy to mislynch and I WANTED TO PLAY WITH HER (thats why i asked).
Assuming you are a wolf:
ok
Oh, that. I skipped through that part right to Visor's update because I was +150 posts behind the thread. If I understood correctly it was edited out because it was done after the deadline but Visor hadn't specified that posting was banned at night or something like that?
:quiet:
i mean, he had, twice, so nah.
El Barto
12-02-2016, 02:38
He had? Hmm, it's in the OP. Are you… is it just that end-of-year exams have addled my brain, or are you accusing GH of misusing his moderator powers? Either one is not cool, but one is not cool for me and the other one's not cool for you.
Progression is:
town gh sees a game content post, posted at night by quat, maybe makes a read on it in his head (discerning quats alignment given it seems a somewhat important post in terms of emotion and stuff), then he deletes the post ???, not letting the other towns make a similar read to him
wolf gh sees a post at night and deletes it because he doesn't think about the game
He had? Hmm, it's in the OP. Are you… is it just that end-of-year exams have addled my brain, or are you accusing GH of misusing his moderator powers? Either one is not cool, but one is not cool for me and the other one's not cool for you.
no, i am saying that what he did makes him more likely a wolf because it is an action that doesn't think about the game as a town
idc about what he did particularly (though it is a bad thing to do imo)
newyn are you gonna engage with anything?
what made dp a good lynch yesterday, what do you think about the way it formed and where do you want to go?
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 02:50
C'mon, Monty, give me an answer other than ‘Get off it’.
You didn't have a question.
Stop screwing around. You won't get me to take you seriously this way. Well, as other than lazy scum, but...
El Barto
12-02-2016, 02:56
Progression is:
town gh sees a game content post, posted at night by quat, maybe makes a read on it in his head (discerning quats alignment given it seems a somewhat important post in terms of emotion and stuff), then he deletes the post ???, not letting the other towns make a similar read to him
wolf gh sees a post at night and deletes it because he doesn't think about the game
He had? Hmm, it's in the OP. Are you… is it just that end-of-year exams have addled my brain, or are you accusing GH of misusing his moderator powers? Either one is not cool, but one is not cool for me and the other one's not cool for you.no, i am saying that what he did makes him more likely a wolf because it is an action that doesn't think about the game as a town
idc about what he did particularly (though it is a bad thing to do imo)
You're in my shitlist right now, Stork. You're not making any freaking sense. GeneralHankerchief may well be a scurvy cur who has owed me ten pieces of gold for over a year, but I'm danged if I think he'd do that king of excrement.
You didn't have a question.
Stop screwing around. You won't get me to take you seriously this way. Well, as other than lazy scum, but...
:stare:
GeneralHankerchief
12-02-2016, 02:56
no, i am saying that what he did makes him more likely a wolf because it is an action that doesn't think about the game as a town
idc about what he did particularly (though it is a bad thing to do imo)
I didn't think about the game at all in that instance.
The posts literally right before that one were people posting during night phase (before Visor came in) and then Visor saying not to post at night. I simply took action with what I thought Visor, as host, would prefer.
Reading the content of Ried's post didn't factor into it at all.
El Barto
12-02-2016, 02:57
↑ case in point
GeneralHankerchief
12-02-2016, 02:58
If people are that concerned about the post editing, I'll step out of this game right now, but honestly I'm more than a little pissed off that people are even attempting to equate the actions I take as a moderator with the actions I take as a player right now.
I didn't think about the game at all in that instance.
The posts literally right before that one were people posting during night phase (before Visor came in) and then Visor saying not to post at night. I simply took action with what I thought Visor, as host, would prefer.
Reading the content of Ried's post didn't factor into it at all.
so you didn't read his post?
so you aren't town?
right?
If people are that concerned about the post editing, I'll step out of this game right now, but honestly I'm more than a little pissed off that people are even attempting to equate the actions I take as a moderator with the actions I take as a player right now.
what do you mean
you aren't a (game) moderator of this game and it is content within the game now so if i have a read on it i reasonably have to give it right?
El Barto
12-02-2016, 03:00
I've already publicly shitlisted him, that should be enough.
vote:Stork
↑ case in point
internet lying game tho
I've already publicly shitlisted him, that should be enough.
vote:Stork
why does it make me a wolf?
assuming you are actually going to attempt to scumhunt (or pretend to), please explain it.
El Barto
12-02-2016, 03:01
Just say sorry and shut up, man. El Barto is off to El Bed-o, and is not moving his vote off you unless he gets back online in time to see someone announce a scum result on Monty.
Just say sorry and shut up, man. El Barto is off to El Bed-o, and is not moving his vote off you unless he gets back online in time to see someone announce a scum result on Monty.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
IT IS CONTENT IN THE GAME THREAD I AM NOT GOING TO APOLOGISE FOR READING AND COMMENTING ON IT
El Barto
12-02-2016, 03:03
why does it make me a wolf?
assuming you are actually going to attempt to scumhunt (or pretend to), please explain it.
x-post. Seriously, man, you're just accusing someone in public of tampering with the game to the point they're seriously considering quitting it. wth?
Bye. Bed.
x-post. Seriously, man, you're just accusing someone in public of tampering with the game to the point they're seriously considering quitting it. wth?
Bye. Bed.
i know you struggle to read, but that is not what i am doing, i have explained it multiple times
i am not saying he did it with ill intent either, whatsoever, just that in doing it it indicates he wasn't interested in reading the content of the post in a way i would expect a town to do
jfc what is wrong with you
el barto lynching over something he disagrees with over actually scumhunting is unfortunately not outside his town range right? i seem to remember that.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 03:08
it indicates he wasn't interested in reading the content of the post in a way i would expect a town to do
Stork, I have to seriously disagree here. He acted appropriately in an administrative capacity, even if it turned out he was jumping the gun.
Dissociating from the person of GH, there is no reason to believe in general that a moderator scum with Riedquat would want to delete that post while a townie moderator would not. That's just wrongheaded.
Stork, I have to seriously disagree here. He acted appropriately in an administrative capacity, even if it turned out he was jumping the gun.
Dissociating from the person of GH, there is no reason to believe in general that a moderator scum with Riedquat would want to delete that post while a townie moderator would not. That's just wrongheaded.
i mean, i thoroughly disagree given i am a mod on another site so :shrug:
if ried is a wolf with gh and ried goes into the thread to ate his way after a lynch, and gh deletes it without being asked by the game mod, it is peculiar.
Stork, I have to seriously disagree here. He acted appropriately in an administrative capacity, even if it turned out he was jumping the gun.
Dissociating from the person of GH, there is no reason to believe in general that a moderator scum with Riedquat would want to delete that post while a townie moderator would not. That's just wrongheaded.
i also 100% disagree with the bolded, and given the post is back in the thread that probably indicates something.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 03:12
if ried is a wolf with gh and ried goes into the thread to ate his way after a lynch, and gh deletes it without being asked by the game mod, it is peculiar.
Then ask, what would make GH delete any post? Has he done it before? Does it relate to the rules or culture followed in the Gameroom?
This is not a game tell.
Then ask, what would make GH delete any post? Has he done it before? Does it relate to the rules or culture followed in the Gameroom?
This is not a game tell.
because he isn't a wolf with reid and did it without thinking about the effect it has on the game because he isn't interested in solving the game
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 03:15
Or, what if he did and considered it irrelevant to his application of duty?
Or, what if he did and considered it irrelevant to his application of duty?
thats possible too, sure
in that case: if he is in a town team he makes a read on a post, but doesn't let his compatriots the same opportunity, is the point i was making
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 03:26
but he is wrong then
in that case: if he is in a town team he makes a read on a post, but doesn't let his compatriots the same opportunity, is the point i was making
Then my point would be that whether or not you agree with his moderating - and, as I said, you could call it jumping the gun - it really can't be used as insight into the game mindset.
You can, actually, but in that come dangerously close to the assumption that the moderator in question will happily use his powers in a way that he personally feels will benefit him in the game.
I suspect GH was particularly insulted by (what he sees as) the insinuations of inconsistency and outright manipulation.
(You're making me feel bad for pushing a GH lynch, quitting this line of reasoning is the healthiest thing to do ATM)
nah, i am very sure i said he did it unknowingly
Assuming you are a villager:
Do you play intentionally poorly here?
Even if you haven't read my posts (which you haven't if you made this read, seeing as i defended the stronger town and attempted to lynch a scummier player at eod [who might still be a wolf, not sure]), i would ~never kill alette n1 in a game i asked her to play with me because: she is easy to pocket, she is easy to mislynch and I WANTED TO PLAY WITH HER (thats why i asked).
Assuming you are a wolf:
ok
Are you saying I'm completely wrong about who I think are wolves and how would you know if I'm right or wrong about anyone other than yourself?
Are you saying wolves are incapable of defending town? If anything, wolves have an easier time defending town because they actually know who town are.
I completely believe that you wouldn't want to kill Alette but it's a team game and I don't see you outright vetoing any kill if the rest of your team wants her dead.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 03:28
nah, i am very sure i said he did it unknowingly
Careless and inconsistent doesn't sound much better than actively malignant.
Are you saying I'm completely wrong about who I think are wolves and how would you know if I'm right or wrong about anyone other than yourself?
Are you saying wolves are incapable of defending town? If anything, wolves have an easier time defending town because they actually know who town are.
I completely believe that you wouldn't want to kill Alette but it's a team game and I don't see you outright vetoing any kill if the rest of your team wants her dead.
but you were in a wolf team with me once :???:
Careless and inconsistent doesn't sound much better than actively malignant.
what, yes it does.
one is actively cheating and one is just a simple mistake
...
but you were in a wolf team with me once :???:
1 wolf game isn't enough to get a clear picture of anyone's mentaility.
1 wolf game isn't enough to get a clear picture of anyone's mentaility.
...
what?
does the one wolf game make you think i play the opposite of how i played there in this game?
Renata Stork Askthepizzaguy BSmith El Barto Montmorency GeneralHankerchief Al Sipsclar Zack Choxorn Newyn atheotes Riedquat
Please stop discussing MODERATOR ACTIONS that are outside the scope of the game. We are here to play mafia.
Official warning for everyone on that note.
does the one wolf game make you think i play the opposite of how i played there in this game?
I'm not sure whether you're playing the opposite to you're paying here. When I'm wolf, I don't pay too much attention to the playstyle of other wolves. What I do believe is that you'd probably argue strongly against Alette dying but you wouldn't outright veto it if your fellow wolves pushed strongly for it. Basically, it's probably unlikely but not impossible for you to be on a wolf team that killed Alette especially considering Alette is a very weird nk that I don't understand.
I'm not sure whether you're playing the opposite to you're paying here. When I'm wolf, I don't pay too much attention to the playstyle of other wolves. What I do believe is that you'd probably argue strongly against Alette dying but you wouldn't outright veto it if your fellow wolves pushed strongly for it. Basically, it's probably unlikely but not impossible for you to be on a wolf team that killed Alette especially considering Alette is a very weird nk that I don't understand.
yeah, but i mostly mean i posted ~thousands of times in wolf chat in that game so I would probably get my way about (not) killing alette if i did similar this game
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 03:58
yeah, but i mostly mean i posted ~thousands of times in wolf chat in that game so I would probably get my way about (not) killing alette if i did similar this game
The squeaky cub gets the blubber?!
The squeaky cub gets the blubber?!
i don't know exactly what you mean but sure
how does "unlikely but not impossible" fit with me being a wolf anyway newyn?
Assuming you are a villager:
Do you play intentionally poorly here?
Even if you haven't read my posts (which you haven't if you made this read, seeing as i defended the stronger town and attempted to lynch a scummier player at eod [who might still be a wolf, not sure]), i would ~never kill alette n1 in a game i asked her to play with me because: she is easy to pocket, she is easy to mislynch and I WANTED TO PLAY WITH HER (thats why i asked).
Assuming you are a wolf:
ok
I didn't want to see it but I basically lock-cleared you based on the nightkill
the rest of the posts after the one i just quoted were basically cancer
Al Sipsclar
12-02-2016, 04:41
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
I want to talk about this post:
This post is full of contradictions and very little commitments.
He says he's ISO'd everyone but can't make up his mind, and yet lists four or five suspects, a couple of whom have votes and none of whom are DP.
Nothing contradictory with the above. I don't have any certainty, but still can have gut feelings. Planning to lynch another townie today, General?
He says he doesn't like me but he never likes me. This would ordinarily be fine save for the fact that my playstyle this game has been noticeably different than in other recent games and other people have commented on it. I don't think this reasoning holds up under scrutiny.
Why does it matter your playstyle is different this game, I still don't like it.
He eventually waffles and votes DP because he says he wants a resolution, but then he says he supports calls for claims and abandons ship to the Riedquat wagon (Riedquat being still unresolved).
Yes, I waffle. Nothing wrong with that either. I don't have the certainty that you have. I had second thoughts about Choxorn, I WIFOMed on DP, then Stork snapped me out of it.
AlS
Just call me Lou Gehrig.
I'll add pressure to Al Sipsclar until I can come up with a reason not to, or I find something stronger.
Vote: Al Sipsclar
I'm actually fine with my lynch. It sucks being the scummiest townie at lylo, so the sooner the better. Given that I despise logic, have trouble explaining my reads (or verbalizing my thoughts in general) and am easily swayed, my town game is usually poor. But I would rather lynch GH and Pizza before myself. I can also lynch Quat.
I have doubts about:
Monty
Newyn
Choxorn
El Barto
Lean town:
Atheotes
BSmith
Not lynching today:
Stork
Zack
Renata
Al Sipsclar
12-02-2016, 04:42
Tally as of post 601:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Newyn (Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726224#post2053726224), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726229#post2053726229))
2 votes: generalhankerchief (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726291#post2053726291), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726408#post2053726408))
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726247#post2053726247))
1 votes: GH (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726294#post2053726294))
1 votes: Stork (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726365#post2053726365))
Voting history:
Newyn
Newyn
Al Sipsclar
Al Sipsclar
generalhankerchief
GH
Montmorency
Stork
GeneralHankerchief
Al Sipsclar
12-02-2016, 04:54
This post is for the vote counting plugin.
Player list:
Askthepizzaguy alias ATPG alias Pizza
El Barto alias Bart alias Tak
Dp101 alias dp
Montmorency alias monty
Riedquat alias kumquat alias reinquat alias reidquat alias quat
BSmith
Renata
Choxorn alias chox
GeneralHankerchief alias gh alias general alias hanky alias generalhandkerchief alias GeneralHandkerchief alias generalhankerchief
Zack alias zack
Stork
Atheotes
Al Sipsclar alias Al alias Sipsclar alias Sips alias Al Sip alias Sip alias Al Sips alias AlS
Newyn
Scarlett Aria alias Scarlett alias Aria alias Scarlet alias Scarlet Aria
Al Sipsclar
12-02-2016, 04:55
Tally as of post 603:
Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726291#post2053726291), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726294#post2053726294), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726408#post2053726408))
2 votes: Newyn (Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726224#post2053726224), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726229#post2053726229))
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726247#post2053726247))
1 votes: Stork (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726365#post2053726365))
Voting history:
Newyn
Newyn
Al Sipsclar
Al Sipsclar
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Stork
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 04:58
:brood:
lol
Unvote: GH
Vote: gh
It might be best to adjust the script to ignore letter case.
how does "unlikely but not impossible" fit with me being a wolf anyway newyn?
You're saying the Alette kill rules you out of been scum. I'm saying while the Alette kill reduces the likelihood of you been scum, it isn't a sure thing. Basically I'm reading you as scummy despite the Alette kill pointing towards you not been scum.
You're saying the Alette kill rules you out of been scum. I'm saying while the Alette kill reduces the likelihood of you been scum, it isn't a sure thing. Basically I'm reading you as scummy despite the Alette kill pointing towards you not been scum.
why?
The voices in my head says so.
I don't think Stork is scum, but given how he's acted today, I can't blame anyone for voting him and I wouldn't care much if he died.
To conclude, I also think that Riedquat should be destroyed, and I'm rather upset he doesn't have any votes on him right now. Allow me to rectify that.
Vote: Riedquat
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 14:30
Unvote: Al Sipsclar
Vote: choxorn
With plenty of time for you to come back and give me a name other than Riedquat.
Monty's going to be mad at me again tomorrow morning, I can see it now.
Maybe I'll just flip a coin.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 14:52
Monty's going to be mad at me again tomorrow morning, I can see it now.
What's going on?
GH vs choxorn wagons, hypothetically, and this time I'd probably vote for choxorn but you're on GH.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 15:11
This is kind of a troubling situation, with wagons waiting for Choxorn, GH, Newyn, Riedquat, and Al Sipsclar.
Insofar as they're involved with voting each other...
Confusing, for sure, but troubling?
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 15:18
It's more productive to assume that the above set of 5 does not include all the scum. But then, at the moment I have no reason to jump around candidates if permutations and uncertainty are rising. Unless there is an actual new development I should just commit to my current read and face the consequences. I hope GH takes the opportunity to say a few things about the field.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 15:31
It's more productive to assume that the above set of 5 does not include all the scum.
I say this because - assuming 3 scum - approaching the situation as a bussing merry-go-round robs the permutations of weight and invites a coin-flip.
Assuming only 1 scum among the set means the interactions within the set are much less usable.
If there are two scum there, and they are GH and Choxorn, then they are playing limply without much self-defense. That scenario is much less likely now. It could be a straightforward bussing scenario with Al Sipsclar and GH (who hasn't voted yet however), but there's no particular reason to take that scenario beyond individually suspecting them. GH is oddly subdued for either alignment and hasn't given much to work with. If he is scum, he could certainly use his skills to develop another wagon to deflect from himself and partner(s).
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 15:32
Maybe I should just forget everything and wildcard at EOD.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 15:56
Just because it's likelier than not, I'll list what I have in mind for permutations involving only 1 among [Newyn, Al Sipsclar, Riedquat, Choxorn, GH) as scum:
Al Sipsclar: Pizza-atheotes
GH: Renata/Stork-Barto
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 17:47
Too complicated again, I can't really follow.
Who is scum and why. I am not interested in extra scenarios for who is cleared if x is scum or vice versa.
GH is scum for tunneling one player per day thus far and showing little to no interest beyond that.
Newyn is scum for showing up to dp's lynch to call me scummy but not change his vote.
Riedquat is scum for one post that sort of looked like taunting dp on his way out.
Choxorn is scum because I don't know why choxorn is scum. Choxorn is always scum. I can't read him, so I'd rather he was dead.
Al Sipsclar is scum for some crappy posts on day one. I don't know what to make of his incredibly different single post on day two.
El Barto is scum for lacking much energy beyond tunneling Monty.
Monty's scum because paranoia.
Zack's scum because Zack.
You're scum because you could pull this off so far with one hand tied behind your back.
BSmith would disappoint me deeply if he's scum.
I don't think atheotes is scum.
Stork's not scum.
I'm not scum.
Riedquat
12-02-2016, 18:02
Vote: Al Sips
I'm not against of removing myself from the equation, so if any of you has doubts just go ahead and lynch me now, the sooner, the painless it would be!
:bow:
You and al sips should get together and lynch yourselves, but leave the rest of us out of it please.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 18:07
Just to sum up so far:
Renata and BSmith vote Newyn.
Pizza votes Al Sipsclar, then I do.
Zack votes GH and I join, then Al Sipsclar does.
Choxorn votes Riedquat.
Newyn votes Choxorn.
Pizza switches to Choxorn.
Riedquat votes Al Sipsclar.
My hackles are raised about Riedquat until the next thing happens. GH's vote, once it comes, will define the dynamic through EOD I believe.
El Barto was voting you, then switched to Stork for unmentionable reasons.
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 18:28
Monty's scum because paranoia.
Zack's scum because Zack.
You're scum because you could pull this off so far with one hand tied behind your back.
BSmith would disappoint me deeply if he's scum.
I don't think atheotes is scum.
Stork's not scum.
I'm not scum.
I'm not sold. Where's the antics? I need to be pulling some antics if I'm scum.
Everybody's got to change it up sometimes.
Why did you switch off Al Sipsclar?
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 18:32
I'd recommend folks find their villagers and find a common suspect they can push together. Slight hostility and demoralization going on. I also feel like people are very disconnected, like we're in the same game but not interacting.
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 18:34
Why did you switch off Al Sipsclar?
choxorn's suspect, contribution, and no one following me on Al.
And how come you're not taking your own advice? You're voting with Newyn.
It's good advice, though.
vote: gh
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 18:43
I don't think Stork is scum, but given how he's acted today, I can't blame anyone for voting him and I wouldn't care much if he died.
To conclude, I also think that Riedquat should be destroyed, and I'm rather upset he doesn't have any votes on him right now. Allow me to rectify that.
Vote: Riedquat
I don't think Riedquat is scum based on his day one. I don't think this is really choxorn's best guess. His total contribution today is also below his own standards.
Vote: Choxorn
And I wouldn't be alone if I voted him ^
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 18:44
And how come you're not taking your own advice? You're voting with Newyn.
It's good advice, though.
vote: gh
I'm voting for choxorn with anyone who is. The fact that it's Newyn doesn't enter into it much.
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 18:46
Newyn is scum for showing up to dp's lynch to call me scummy but not change his vote.
I'm being super slow but I'm only just absorbing this now.
I kind of get what you mean here, but I'd think it's more important to try to get your scum suspect lynched than to try to create teams, particularly that early.
Was there something more compelling that I'm missing? Because I wouldn't be surprised.
No, that's about it. I literally woke up at 1 in the morning thinking 'why the F didn't Newyn switch'? I probably would have, out of sheer paranoia.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 18:55
I'm voting for choxorn with anyone who is. The fact that it's Newyn doesn't enter into it much.
So in effect he's your top lynch?
What do you make of GH? He's been very subdued, moreso than you.
Montmorency
12-02-2016, 18:57
Renata, in your post switching onto GH, you're talking to yourself, right? You're deciding against voting Choxorn because Newyn is voting him?
That's a bit dogmatic.
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 19:03
No, that's about it. I literally woke up at 1 in the morning thinking 'why the F didn't Newyn switch'? I probably would have, out of sheer paranoia.
Newyn isn't particularly jumpy.
Newyn strikes me as a particularly measured, deep thinking, not reveal your cards until the right moment, kind of player. As either alignment.
As town, he is uncannily like me: Will lie and create gambits that help town. However, he will do it in 10,000 fewer words, which makes it more effective.
As scum, I can figure out his plan. I can even explain his plan to you. But his plan will still work.
That's Newyn in a nutshell. I would love to town clear him. I don't know how to do that, but it would be a very strong move. If he lynches scum repeatedly, then him not being dead at final 3 should be a clue. But he should eat a murder instead by then.
If that helps you read him, great, if you have a better read on him than I do currently, and my experience with him is what he's playing into, then I apologize in advance.
No, it was a question for Pizza. I'm taking the advice to vote with 'my townies', which currently include you and Zack to a greater extent than other bandwagons.
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 19:10
So in effect he's your top lynch?
What do you make of GH? He's been very subdued, moreso than you.
I can easily understand his current mood. And regardless of his alignment, I think he'd be feeling exactly the same.
He's not the only one. Right now I'm thankful for the folks who are feeling up to posting a bunch as it will advance the game and give me something to work with, because morale is a bit depressed.
Day 1 GH wouldn't always push himself hard. It wears you out over many games, especially if you're just trying to have some fun.
If you want to read GH, you gotta give him something he can get invested in. Like a decent push on a scummy character, or show him something and ask him for comment. Either one of those would work for me, so I'd expect something similar could help for resolving him.
Al Sipsclar
12-02-2016, 20:00
Tally as of post 645:
Lynch votes
4 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726291#post2053726291), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726408#post2053726408), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726413#post2053726413), Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726514#post2053726514))
2 votes: Choxorn (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726432#post2053726432), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726461#post2053726461))
1 votes: Newyn (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726229#post2053726229))
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726500#post2053726500))
1 votes: Stork (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726365#post2053726365))
1 votes: Riedquat (Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726427#post2053726427))
Voting history:
Newyn
Newyn
Al Sipsclar
Al Sipsclar
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Stork
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Riedquat
Choxorn
Choxorn
Al Sipsclar
GeneralHankerchief
Al Sipsclar
12-02-2016, 20:02
It might be best to adjust the script to ignore letter case.
Seems like it already does, it just needed the alias list.
Askthepizzaguy
12-02-2016, 20:29
I have xmas shopping in the morning, guys, so if you want to move me it's gotta be in the next 4 hours or so.
No interest in doing that.
I don't understand why choxorn, al sips, or stork has votes
at worst they are null
There's a lot of nulls around. For Stork, read back.
GeneralHankerchief has been replaced by seireikhaan
Do not discuss substitutions please
Will the vote counter still accept the previous votes on GH?
And I hope it's ok to say that's a real shame, and I'll miss him in the game. <3 GH.
seireikhaan
12-02-2016, 23:37
Hi everyone! ~:wave: Give me a few hours to catch up.
Will the vote counter still accept the previous votes on GH?
No idea, but you could just make aliases for khaan I assume
seireikhaan
12-03-2016, 00:44
Hi khaan. :)
Nice to see you back 'round these parts, Renata. :bow:
I don't think Riedquat is scum based on his day one. I don't think this is really choxorn's best guess. His total contribution today is also below his own standards.
Good for you. I disagree, and think that Riedquat is totally scum for how he acted on day one, for all the reasons that I explained yesterday.
I also think Newyn is kinda scummy. No real reads on anyone else, though.
Well, Stork liked your Riedquat post yesterday. You have that going for you.
GH has given plenty to talk about, atheotes, Stork, Monty, me, Pizza ... really zero reads?
El Barto
12-03-2016, 01:26
I don't think Stork is scum, but given how he's acted today, I can't blame anyone for voting him and I wouldn't care much if he died.
To conclude, I also think that Riedquat should be destroyed, and I'm rather upset he doesn't have any votes on him right now. Allow me to rectify that.
Vote: Riedquat
I tend to agree. And I owe him for lynching my shiny metal ass two games ago. vote: Riedquat
Maybe I'll just flip a coin.
FTFY.
Newyn isn't particularly jumpy.
Newyn strikes me as a particularly measured, deep thinking, not reveal your cards until the right moment, kind of player. As either alignment.
As town, he is uncannily like me: Will lie and create gambits that help town. However, he will do it in 10,000 fewer words, which makes it more effective.
As scum, I can figure out his plan. I can even explain his plan to you. But his plan will still work.
That's Newyn in a nutshell. I would love to town clear him. I don't know how to do that, but it would be a very strong move. If he lynches scum repeatedly, then him not being dead at final 3 should be a clue. But he should eat a murder instead by then.
If that helps you read him, great, if you have a better read on him than I do currently, and my experience with him is what he's playing into, then I apologize in advance.
Why don't you just vote him already, instead of hinting at the possibility of voting him?
FFos: Askthepizzaguy
(fish finger of suspicion doesn't break the counter script, right?)
Askthepizzaguy
12-03-2016, 02:41
In the context of my post, there isn't an indication that I even think he's scum. You did read my post before responding to it, I hope.
atheotes
12-03-2016, 03:25
I have been reading but somehow i feel like there is not much to look at.
Maybe i have to take another look later.
One thing i feel odd is the "vote with your town reads" logic. I think it is scummy tactic...atleast at this stage of the game.
El Barto
12-03-2016, 03:28
In the context of my post, there isn't an indication that I even think he's scum. You did read my post before responding to it, I hope.
Yes, and it is delightfully ambiguous.
seireikhaan
12-03-2016, 05:05
Oooookay, in summary, let's summarize:
Renata: Pretty friendly, much appreciated. Nice to see a recognizable face around. Could be the difference of 4-5 years, my advancing age, rampant alcoholism, or the PTSD of losing my Pokemon Moon nuzlocke team to the champion, but she seems a decent bit chattier than I remember for this early on. Reading the thread blind and knowing nothing about them, I liked the case against DP and would not fault people for voting for him. Mild town lead, seems a bit too chatty overall for mafia is my gut.
Stork: Something seems off here. Is english your first language? Tone and text are confusing me a bit. Tends to post in batches, which could be an excuse to appear visible without having to decide things at EOD. Discussion of Scarlett Aria kill is complete WIFOM and totally pointless as a defense. Mild, leaning to strong, scum lean.
Askthepizzaguy: Like I can read this guy. My best chance at deciphering pizza is with LYLO shenanigans. Next.
El Barto: Like I can read this guy either. Next.
Bsmith: Currently afk-ish in the Phillipines on business. Try to enjoy yourself if you can, and watch out for army majors. :bow: Anyways, not a ton to read on. Early joke on Al Sips, who I have some suspicion towards, raises a small flag, but that's about as much as I have. Slightly scum lean.
Monty: Both his original case and wanting to save DP(who he apparently can read better than me) seem authentic in my opinion. Could be a case of maf trying to build cred by "trying" to save a doomed townie, but that seems less likely(maybe 30-40% chance) than he simply had a better read on DP than those not familiar with him. That said, I'll need some better explanation on the vote for GH/me for being "polished". GH has played the game, strictly speaking, longer on the .org here any any present, so polish is.... bad? Clarification? Could be looking to get on a convenient wagon. Unsure lean, d1 seems likelier town, d2 confusing that.
Al Sips: Low relative activity. Post 330 strikes some scum radar for me - types words, but none of it really means much. Some admitted hesitance is fine, though. Saying he'd leave someone who came out town as someone to end game strikes me as a bit perfect information syndrome-y. Saying people he doesn't like doesn't add anything. Revenge voted for GH today adding a fairly vindictive "Planning to lynch another townie today, General?". Seems PIS-y, as well as possibly hoping to out someone on his trail if mafia. Strong scum lean.
Zack: Decent enough case on Newynn on day 1 and pursued it appropriately if he felt decently about it. I tend to agree with most of the posts he's made except on possible Stork Scum which might be a troubling sign. Zack explanation for current day's vote? Decent town lean.
Choxorn: Lurking, relatively speaking. Ironically asks of Riedquat : "Did you just think you'd try to get a post in and make it look like you were doing something?" While himself being quite low poster. Gave a basic recount of his accusation of Riedquat's D1 post on D2, but it feels to me like the kind of thing I do on occasion as mafia where I just latch on to one bad post from someone relativley under the radar to get "free" votes off. Strong scum lean.
Newyn: Gave a weird read on the first page which he didn't follow on, and kinda lazed into a DP vote by the end of D1. Low-ish on activity. On the surface, seems scummy, but the reads cannot have been that serious so early in the first day, which makes me suspicious of those latching onto this case. Was correct in his argument with Stork about night choice kill and the wolf discussion. Decent town lean.
Atheotes: Early discussion of NK choice - possible maf trying to create false lead on his own kill? Hmm... Tone reads town, however, decent convicition in lynch choice. Read - null.
Riedquat: Goof vote on day 1, THE HORROR. On the surface, seems clearly scummy and lackadaisical. Well, one of those is true at least. Post asking himself to by lynched on day 2 is too much. Too aggressively off the wall. Strong town lean.
seireikhaan
12-03-2016, 05:08
Vote: Choxorn, based on my above post.
Riedquat
12-03-2016, 05:53
I tend to agree. And I owe him for lynching my shiny metal ass two games ago.
What are you playing at? You weren't lynched, you got killed and not by me...
Montmorency
12-03-2016, 06:11
That said, I'll need some better explanation on the vote for GH/me for being "polished". GH has played the game, strictly speaking, longer on the .org here any any present, so polish is.... bad?
GH only gave a very terse and noncommital response directly to questions over the DP lynch. He has talked about not much else. On its own not enough for me to hound him, but it did nothing to build confidence with regard to my particular argument for why his pushing the DP lynch could make him scummy.
Let's put that aside - GH couldn't commit because of whatever, and he needed a sub to step in - and start over.
So let me put my case afresh to you, Khaan/GH (without yet much adjustment from early form or newer considerations):
DP101 is a new player on the Org and in the other recent games he has been the clearest consensus town-read player. He continued that performance into this game, but with the twist that from early D1 votes from Choxorn (who later jumped around from there) and a firm attack from GH made DP101 the dominant wagon and discussion of the day. I found this to be premeditated, because a Day 1 blitzkrieg is a time when it is relatively easy to get a specific person lynched without a lot of effort or repercussions. By setting the tone for the day, Choxorn and/or GH did indeed accomplish this without having to lay down the line very much. The motivation for a quick removal of DP101 would simply be that he was most likely to wind up lock town for many players, and unkillable while other night targets remained through to LYLO.
Riedquat
12-03-2016, 06:26
Unvote
Vote: Choxorn
Al Sipsclar
12-03-2016, 06:34
Let's see if it works if I just post an updated list and don't edit the previous one.
This post is for the vote counting plugin.
Player list:
Askthepizzaguy alias ATPG alias Pizza
El Barto alias Bart alias Tak
Dp101 alias dp
Montmorency alias monty
Riedquat alias kumquat alias reinquat alias reidquat alias quat
BSmith
Renata
Choxorn alias chox
seireikhaan alias Khaan alias khan alias GeneralHankerchief alias gh alias general alias hanky alias generalhandkerchief alias GeneralHandkerchief alias generalhankerchief
Zack alias zack
Stork
Atheotes
Al Sipsclar alias Al alias Sipsclar alias Sips alias Al Sip alias Sip alias Al Sips alias AlS
Newyn
Scarlett Aria alias Scarlett alias Aria alias Scarlet alias Scarlet Aria
Al Sipsclar
12-03-2016, 06:38
Nope, doesn't seem to be working. I guess I need permission from our glorious host to edit the original list, or he can just put the list in the OP.
Tally as of post 670:
Lynch votes
4 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726291#post2053726291), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726408#post2053726408), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726413#post2053726413), Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726514#post2053726514))
3 votes: Choxorn (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726432#post2053726432), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726461#post2053726461), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726576#post2053726576))
2 votes: Riedquat (Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726427#post2053726427), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726567#post2053726567))
1 votes: Newyn (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726229#post2053726229))
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053726500#post2053726500))
Voting history:
Newyn
Newyn
Al Sipsclar
Al Sipsclar
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Stork
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Riedquat
Choxorn
Choxorn
Al Sipsclar
GeneralHankerchief
Riedquat
Choxorn
Al Sipsclar
12-03-2016, 06:41
Quat's vote is not picked up because "Unvote" and "Vote:" are within the same BOLD span.
Al Sipsclar
12-03-2016, 07:02
Al Sipsclar is scum for some crappy posts on day one. I don't know what to make of his incredibly different single post on day two.
I make crappy posts in any alignment and on any day.
I'm not against of removing myself from the equation, so if any of you has doubts just go ahead and lynch me now, the sooner, the painless it would be!
:bow:
Hey, that's my line!
You and al sips should get together and lynch yourselves, but leave the rest of us out of it please.
:laugh:
Al Sipsclar
12-03-2016, 08:00
Al Sips: Low relative activity. Post 330 strikes some scum radar for me - types words, but none of it really means much. Some admitted hesitance is fine, though. Saying he'd leave someone who came out town as someone to end game strikes me as a bit perfect information syndrome-y. Saying people he doesn't like doesn't add anything. Revenge voted for GH today adding a fairly vindictive "Planning to lynch another townie today, General?". Seems PIS-y, as well as possibly hoping to out someone on his trail if mafia. Strong scum lean.
Hmm... Is khaan trying to convince me to move my vote? Hmm. Probably not.
Someone told me once, in another game, that those who claimed to see PIS, themselves had PIS. You have to have one to see one.
Montmorency
12-03-2016, 08:29
Someone told me once, in another game, that those who claimed to see PIS, themselves had PIS. You have to have one to see one.
You have to have one to see one have one to see one. :yes:
Al Sipsclar
12-03-2016, 08:55
You have to have one to see one have one to see one. :yes:
Yep, turtles all the way down.
seireikhaan
12-03-2016, 09:00
GH only gave a very terse and noncommital response directly to questions over the DP lynch. He has talked about not much else. On its own not enough for me to hound him, but it did nothing to build confidence with regard to my particular argument for why his pushing the DP lynch could make him scummy.
Let's put that aside - GH couldn't commit because of whatever, and he needed a sub to step in - and start over.
So let me put my case afresh to you, Khaan/GH (without yet much adjustment from early form or newer considerations):
DP101 is a new player on the Org and in the other recent games he has been the clearest consensus town-read player. He continued that performance into this game, but with the twist that from early D1 votes from Choxorn (who later jumped around from there) and a firm attack from GH made DP101 the dominant wagon and discussion of the day. I found this to be premeditated, because a Day 1 blitzkrieg is a time when it is relatively easy to get a specific person lynched without a lot of effort or repercussions. By setting the tone for the day, Choxorn and/or GH did indeed accomplish this without having to lay down the line very much. The motivation for a quick removal of DP101 would simply be that he was most likely to wind up lock town for many players, and unkillable while other night targets remained through to LYLO.
Alright. I don't really agree with it of course, but I at least get where you're coming from. Still, not knowing how DP plays, my blind read into the game was that he was a pretty decent lynch choice on day 1. :shrug:
seireikhaan
12-03-2016, 09:05
Hmm... Is khaan trying to convince me to move my vote? Hmm. Probably not.
Someone told me once, in another game, that those who claimed to see PIS, themselves had PIS. You have to have one to see one.
Eh, not totally incorrect. Much like most tells and behaviors, it's easier to tell when you've done the blunder yourself. Definitely guilty of it in the past at points.
Montmorency
12-03-2016, 09:19
Khaan, how does this building Choxorn vs. GH/Khaan thunderdome interact with my holding one or both of GH/Khaan and Choxorn culpable?
At first I felt it foreclosed on the possibility of a m/m alignment, but now they're large and evenly-matched enough that it's plausible again.
If you and Choxorn are scum, who is your partner? If only Choxorn is scum, who are his partners?
"If you and Choxorn are scum, who is your partner," really Monty? Lol.
I'm feeling a lot better about the GH vote (and a lot worse about the choxorn one) after Khaan's post. I did not like that at all.
Are we freaking tied again? I think we are.
Montmorency
12-03-2016, 11:43
really Monty? Lol.
Think about it. It's legit.
I haven't seen anything that makes me push any of my town reads away from being town.
On the other hand, I don't have a strong suspect at the moment. Renata's case on Newyn seems fine.
I'll add pressure to Al Sipsclar until I can come up with a reason not to, or I find something stronger.
Vote: Al Sipsclar
Newyn case is fine.
I'm being super slow but I'm only just absorbing this now.
I kind of get what you mean here, but I'd think it's more important to try to get your scum suspect lynched than to try to create teams, particularly that early.
Was there something more compelling that I'm missing? Because I wouldn't be surprised.
Newyn case ('oh, that was your Newyn case?') is not fine.
Newyn isn't particularly jumpy.
Newyn strikes me as a particularly measured, deep thinking, not reveal your cards until the right moment, kind of player. As either alignment.
As town, he is uncannily like me: Will lie and create gambits that help town. However, he will do it in 10,000 fewer words, which makes it more effective.
As scum, I can figure out his plan. I can even explain his plan to you. But his plan will still work.
That's Newyn in a nutshell. I would love to town clear him. I don't know how to do that, but it would be a very strong move. If he lynches scum repeatedly, then him not being dead at final 3 should be a clue. But he should eat a murder instead by then.
If that helps you read him, great, if you have a better read on him than I do currently, and my experience with him is what he's playing into, then I apologize in advance.
'Let me explain Newyn to you all in 500 words of airy blather.'
The semi-contradiction is interesting to me, but the main ping here is the long post on Newyn's playstyle. This kind of detachment, I guess, from ongoing proceedings is something I think I've seen before.
Think about it. It's legit.
It may well be, but it's too much for my poor head. :)
Unvote
Vote: seireikhaan
For self-prez, and I also didn't like his long post a bit before this one. Apparently we're somehow scum together, though. Still not sure how that makes sense.
Montmorency
12-03-2016, 12:20
It may well be, but it's too much for my poor head. :)
...
'Let me explain Newyn to you all in 500 words of airy blather.'
I was more struck by the content, i.e. calling Newyn an effective liar as town, and the tantalized scum plan explanation.
[QUOTE=seireikhaan;2053726575]
Choxorn: Lurking, relatively speaking. Ironically asks of Riedquat : "Did you just think you'd try to get a post in and make it look like you were doing something?" While himself being quite low poster.
I wasn't voting him for low posting, I was voting him because I thought his no lynch vote was bad, his reaction to my voting him was worse, and he looked like he was trying too hard to avoid ruffling any feathers.
Glad to see you, choxorn.
atheotes
12-03-2016, 12:46
i have never seen Khaan post so much! I did not think GH was scummy. and nothing yet from Khaan to change my mind.
Vote: Choxorn
I note there's no reason given that choxorn is scummy. :inquisitive:
atheotes
12-03-2016, 12:52
I note there's no reason given that choxorn is scummy. :inquisitive:
Nope. Dont find him towny either.
atheotes
12-03-2016, 12:56
And as i have already stated, i am suspicious of you (Renata) and Zack.
Oh right, I forgot about that. That remains a shame.
Alive: 15
1. Renata - Khaan
2. Stork
3. ATPG - Choxorn
4. BSmith - Newyn
6. El Barto - Riedquat
7. Montmorency - Khaan
8. Seireikhaan - Choxorn
9. Al Sipsclar - Khaan
10. Zack - Khaan
11. Choxorn - Khaan
12. Newyn - Choxorn
13. Atheotes - Choxorn
14. Riedquat - Choxorn
Khaan (renata, Monty, al sips, choxorn, Zack)
Choxorn (ATPG, Seireikhaan, Newyn, Atheotes, Riedquat)
Riedquat (El Barto)
Newyn (BSmith)
Not voting (Stork)
choxorn was lynched (RNG), he was town
23 hours for night order, 24 hours for night
don't post please
Stork and zack have died, both town
novice has replaced Riedquat
Do not discuss subs
Good morning, Pizza!
vote: Askthepizzaguy
For being a scumbag.
Atheotes, if you killed my buddy Zack, we're gonna have words, you and me.
48 hours for day the usual etc
1. Renata - Khaan
3. ATPG - Choxorn
4. BSmith - Newyn
6. El Barto - Riedquat
7. Montmorency - Khaan
8. Seireikhaan - Choxorn
9. Al Sipsclar - Khaan
12. Newyn - Choxorn
13. Atheotes - Choxorn
14. Riedquat - Choxorn
Who's the mafia team, go go go. I say Pizza, Newyn, Khaan. Maybe Al Sips or novice for flavor, but I don't think Pizza bothers to bus Al Sips, so maybe not that combo.
Hi Renata.
I've followed this somewhat up to GH being replaced. From that, Zack and Stork were very obviously town. Too bad that's not news anymore. Also, Pizza looks extremely scummy to me.
Vote: ATPG
Oh yeah DP was also obvtown.
Khaan (renata, Monty, al sips, choxorn, Zack)
Choxorn (ATPG, Seireikhaan, Newyn, Atheotes, Riedquat)
Riedquat (El Barto)
Newyn (BSmith)
Not voting (Stork)
My top four suspects. Easy game. :)
Speaking of you/your predecessor and a certain deceased townie, you look really bad if Khaan is in fact scum.
And if you're scum, then all those four look bad again for day one. The circle of life.
Will you vote Khaan with me, novice? Come on, I know you can.
vote: Seireikhaan
Apparently novice can't. Woe.
On phone so just some brief pizza quotes. Fill in the rhetoric yourselves.
213.
This is a guy who spent the last couple games getting fooled by my shenanigans and his thoughts shape like this: You're full of shenanigans. Maybe this is your town game.
His town shape is to be extra wary of me. I don't know why he'd be looking for reasons to town read me, least of all ones that don't follow.
Post 213:
Oh god, my levels of WIFOM towards you has reached new heights that I didn't think were possible. OTOH, I haven't seen your town game yet, maybe this is it.
you should be reading me town but you have completely ignored me
I've ignored a lot of people. Trying to look at folks I'd have a shot at reading.
@Dp:
I have to check your thought process and see if it makes any kind of sense from a no information standpoint.
I can't believe nobody's confronted Pizza with this dodgy case on Dp. Also don't like his reply to Zack there.
Renata's post 682 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726604&viewfull=1#post2053726604) is probably as close to nailing Pizza as you can come.
Apparently novice can't. Woe.
Patience.
Thumbing as fast as I can.
Speaking of you/your predecessor and a certain deceased townie, you look really bad if Khaan is in fact scum.
What deceased townie?
I didn't have any particular theory on Riedquat's alignment, and now I know he was town, so I'm just taking it from there.
What is the meta case I need to defend against?
I can do that, but I thought we were lynching Pizza today?
Khaan refused to read Pizza in his big introductory post. Makes sense as Pizzas buddy.
What deceased townie?
I didn't have any particular theory on Riedquat's alignment, and now I know he was town, so I'm just taking it from there.
What is the meta case I need to defend against?
I was referring to Zack, but now I can't remember why. At any rate, your predecessor just willy-nilly hopped on the choxorn bandwagon just when it looked like GH/Khaan was going to swing. So for all that I'm suspicious of Pizza, as far as you are concerned I'm more interested to see if you'll lynch Khaan with me than I am to see if you'll lynch Pizza with me.
Unvote
Vote: Choxorn
I see. Well obviously I don't know Riedquat's motivation.
I guess I'll have to reflect on who's scummier, my top scummie from the sidelines was Pizza. Who is your top scummie? Do you really want to lynch your second choice to clear me in the process?
The thing is, I expect it will be difficult to get Pizza lynched, so I'm reluctant to get sidetracked.
I wanted to see if you would vote for Khaan, and it seems you won't, so data point noted.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 15:44
The thing is, I expect it will be difficult to get Pizza lynched, so I'm reluctant to get sidetracked.
Lol this.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 15:46
Vote: atheotes
~:wave:
Pizza-friend! Quick quiz: Why are you scum, in 100 words or less. Go.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 15:51
Pizza-friend! Quick quiz: Why are you scum, in 100 words or less. Go.
Mostly because that's what I randed, but possibly because even when I'm town, I'm a scummy scumbag who lies and manipulates people in order to achieve my goals of domination and destruction.
I don't see much in the way of manipulation. Just that you voted for two townies and counting, and your faffing about in respect to Newyn is unconvincing. I mean, that Al sipsclar vote sucked.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 16:00
I don't see much in the way of manipulation. Just that you voted for two townies and counting, and your faffing about in respect to Newyn is unconvincing. I mean, that Al sipsclar vote sucked.
If you say so. I think he's a great lynch, and I would definitely lynch him if there was support.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 16:02
I think the weakest push on me so far is the bit about Newyn. It's pretty clear from the context of my posts that I was giving my impression of his meta, not an assessment of his alignment this game.
It's nice that folks think it's a slam dunk case, so when it isn't, they should probably have a contingency plan for tomorrow, if they're town and still alive.
It stinks when you're mafia and El Barto comes after you for the wrong reason, doesn't it?
My reason is not the same as his, by the way, if you didn't notice.
'if they're town and still alive"
Should I break out the bulletproof vest?
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 16:10
It stinks when you're mafia and El Barto comes after you for the wrong reason, doesn't it?
My reason is not the same as his, by the way, if you didn't notice.
Yeah, what's the worst is that thing where people go "oh it's too bad you randed scum, isn't it" etc and I have to listen to that all round. I'll keep posting as long as I don't have to continue reading that kinda nonsense. Otherwise, I'll post my reads and my final vote and walk away.
I just dealt with that crap in the hydra game, from none other than soah, who should know better. You should too.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 16:10
Its not cute, and I'm already annoyed. Just saying.
I don't know what Hydra game you're talking about. If you think I'm coming after you because of some kindof vague Pizza paranoia, you'd be wrong.
I'm short on time until much later today, but tell me who's scum and why.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 16:16
3. ATPG - Choxorn
14. Novice
4. BSmith
1. Renata
7. Montmorency
8. Seireikhaan
12. Newyn
9. Al Sipsclar
6. El Barto
13. Atheotes
This is what I've got. I'd look inside that bottom three sooner rather than later. If you have an actual case on the next group of three I'm listening.
I don't have a big case to push on any of them. I just think no one is willing to look there and they haven't been especially townie in my book.
I have no power that you'll miss out on if I get lynched. Only issue is you're closer to lylo, so enjoy.
Montmorency
12-04-2016, 16:19
I can't believe nobody's confronted Pizza with this dodgy case on Dp.
Best case against Pizza. I missed it and I even cited scum-Pizza's shading of DP in the last game.
Mostly because that's what I randed
Next-best case against Pizza.
Adding to an earlier comment, I suggest that if Khaan is actually town, then Pizza's first vote of today (on Atheotes) makes Atheotes likely as a scum. Pizza breadcrumbs partners with his initial votes when he becomes center of attention, I think.
Vote: Pizza
What Riedquat/novice did wasn't pristine, but I don't think a scum novice would pick out that fact about Pizza's D1 presentation. Hardly even makes sense if novice had been following the game expecting to sub in for scum, which is a silly thought itself.
Montmorency
12-04-2016, 16:27
Pizza, expand your thoughts on BSmith?
I don't like atheotes kind of pointless 'suspicion' of me and Zack; it seems kind of pro-forma. Other than that he's been fine. I have nothing in particular on Sips or El Barto, especially with choxorn being dead town. Those guys are why I want last night's extra shot to claim. Zack was outside my personal POE and I'm not happy.
Pizza, if you can't see a case on GH/Khaan by now especially after that terrible catch-up thing Khaan pulled out last night, I don't know what to say. That's why I'm suspicious of you, as much as anything. Khaan needs to die.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:13
I don't like atheotes kind of pointless 'suspicion' of me and Zack; it seems kind of pro-forma. Other than that he's been fine. I have nothing in particular on Sips or El Barto, especially with choxorn being dead town. Those guys are why I want last night's extra shot to claim. Zack was outside my personal POE and I'm not happy.
Pizza, if you can't see a case on GH/Khaan by now especially after that terrible catch-up thing Khaan pulled out last night, I don't know what to say. That's why I'm suspicious of you, as much as anything. Khaan needs to die.
I don't know how you could have possibly cleared Zack before his flip.
As for Khaan, he's only not green in my list because I'm deliberately disregarding the reasons why I think that slot is town. But I think it's silly to lynch there next.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:14
Pizza, expand your thoughts on BSmith?
Still the same thoughts as before.
I can go back and expand on it and re-examine it. It's an old read atp.
Pizza's list is pretty much opposite mine. He's going for a team of lurkers, more or less, who have managed through sheer luck to make it this far without ever being voted for pretty much, much less lynched. Damn, they're good?
I'm going for precisely the opposite.
Probably hasn't changed much if only because I haven't posted much since. I am now in Manila and present again. Not necessarily coherent but present. I'm indecisive and extremely susceptible to manipulation. I don't have strong scum feelings on anyone really and open to sheeping again today.
My above post was in response to pizza.
I tend to fall into the Renata camp of thinking here.
Re: Zack, not cleared, but there was in all practicality no way I was voting for him ahead of a half dozen other people.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:29
Pizza's list is pretty much opposite mine. He's going for a team of lurkers, more or less, who have managed through sheer luck to make it this far without ever being voted for pretty much, much less lynched. Damn, they're good?
I'm going for precisely the opposite.
There are several low posters in my town reads list.
I think there are bunches of townie low posters too. I think the game is full of people who haven't been posting much, and I don't happen to think the top poster is scum.
Guess where that will inevitably lead.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:30
Re: Zack, not cleared, but there was in all practicality no way I was voting for him ahead of a half dozen other people.
That's fine, I'm glad someone can read Zack, because I cannot.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:32
By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, atheotes is in the more talkative half of this game.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:33
Now it looks like there've been a ton of townies being voted for all game.
And no one has been pushing on several people.
Guess where the scums probably are, given the low talking and recent exposure to power wolfing we've gotten from other websites.
They're not bussing. They're not suspecting and they're not voting one another. So I'd probably go with that.
But keep pushing me today, that will end really well for you Ren.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:42
My team of lurking scums I came up with, based on post count.
1. Renata
7. Montmorency
3. ATPG
6. El Barto <-----4th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
13. Atheotes <----- 5th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
14. Riedquat/novice <----Guy I've defended
8. Seireikhaan <----Guy I'm not pushing
9. Al Sipsclar <----Guy I voted once and still suspect but am looking other places.
12. Newyn <----Guy I'm not pushing.
4. BSmith <------Guy I said is town.
Look at that team of lurkers I came up with.
Renata do me a favor and drop all the bullshit and start playing the game in a somewhat straightforward manner.
Montmorency
12-04-2016, 17:44
They're not bussing. They're not suspecting and they're not voting one another. So I'd probably go with that.
Most of the activity beside DP101 has been a set of Al Sipsclar, Riedquat/novice, GH/khaan, Newyn, and Choxorn voting between one another.
This could apply to you just as well.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:45
I also wonder where I ever implied they must be a team.
It's gonna be a pretty shitty endgame where people have to re-examine a whole lot, with no dead scums, and everyone's smug assumptions no longer around to keep them company.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:48
Most of the activity beside DP101 has been a set of Al Sipsclar, Riedquat/novice, GH/khaan, Newyn, and Choxorn voting between one another.
This could apply to you just as well.
Tu quoque is not a defense of one's own behavior.
What I'm saying is, if you're going to paint a picture of what I'm saying, be kind to me and say what it is I've actually said, and make what you're saying fit some facts.
I voted 2 townies, yep. For that reason I must be scum. Good, I'm glad we sorted that out. I guess everyone else has a sterling record and mine's the worst.
What applies to me that applies to everyone isn't a great case. And I do happen to be town, fyi in case anyone gives a damn. But I don't care, I will lynch today and you guys can sort out the mess. As I said, you won't be missing out on anything when I die.
You're way too unhappy, Pizza. I don't know if it's an act.
In regards to lurking, I apologize for my imprecise language. I mean they're not saying much or pushing much, regardless of how much they chatter. And ElBarto and atheotes' talk, productve or not, was almost all day one.
You may be right. But if there's powerwolfing going on, it's probably not in the group of people who haven't even needed to powerwolf, as they've never been threatened one bit.
Montmorency
12-04-2016, 17:52
Tu quoque is not a defense of one's own behavior.
You made an argument that in itself applies just as well to you as to the players you highlighted. So why should we use to it vote some player as opposed to using it to vote you? Other arguments against your list (as a group) haven't amounted to much...
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 17:58
You're way too unhappy, Pizza. I don't know if it's an act.
In regards to lurking, I apologize for my imprecise language. I mean they're not saying much or pushing much, regardless of how much they chatter. And ElBarto and atheotes' talk, productve or not, was almost all day one.
You can chalk up the first thing and the second thing to the events of day 2, in my case, and then in my opinion.
Doesn't tell you much about alignment because I think it impacted everyone. I'm looking at vote pattern and assuming scums just pushed townies all game and avoided talking about or voting one another, because there was no reason not to.
Askthepizzaguy
12-04-2016, 18:03
You may be right. But if there's powerwolfing going on, it's probably not in the group of people who haven't even needed to powerwolf, as they've never been threatened one bit.
Powerwolfing in this context merely means voting townies and not pushing one another.
If they're not under vote threat or even being talked about, bussing is not the only option, not bussing usually works better anyway.
It may not be those specific people, but we're never going to get anywhere if the game just stagnates with the same suspects.
Talking about khaan and novice, whose slots have been under lazy suspicion all game, is fine, as long as I can talk about some new people.
Can we add more people to the topic?
And you can throw my name in there. I haven't done anything to get town-read this game. That's also fine. Sucks, but it's how it is.
The point is, they need to be discussed. You wait until the final rounds, everyone who is an easy lock townie read or slot will be dead by then.
You discuss it now while I'm still here to give an opinion on it. And you too, Renata.
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