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El Barto
12-07-2016, 22:48
OK, so that was storybook nonsense, and it throws quite a lot of shade.
Renata, that did not look good overall.
Atheotes more or less did what was expected, but those analysis posts didn't have a lot of substance.
As we all witnessed, Newyn clutched that whole round, and BSmith technically helped, but given the timing and sequence I can conclude that there is no way they are partners. No more than one of them could be scum now.
This is the Era of Bad Feelings, and somehow El Barto is the closest thing to null I have now.
So let's stick with what I know, which is two things:
1. Khaan must be lynched.
2. Pizza must be lynched.
Vote: Khaan
Pizza can't serve as the immediate consensus wagon, as we learn little from its course. I will probably be voting him by the end of the day, but by Khaan's own admission I should not let the pressure slide from him.
Once we have set out those things which we know, namely that Khaan and Pizza are scum, we at least have a little more time to discover the final, deep, scum.
Wouldn't that be so neat, that Newyn would expose himself at the last minute, and take the lynch from some inconvenient other target.
I will vote to lynch the two scum-in-hand before any prospectives. The endgame has arrived. You know what that means.
Pizza+Newyn/Khaan+You would fit these posts. vote:Montmorency
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Inventor
I've played with this role before; my first and only suspicion after receiving a bp vest at some point after receipt of a vanilla role PM.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 22:51
There's no SK in this game. It would have been me if it was anyone, because I claimed the one shot.
You're looking for a team of three most likely, and there's probably powers in play that can stop a murder, therefore no lylo was called.
Instead of faffing about on exploring options which already result in town having lost the game, focus on the universe where town can still win and lynch the best candidate from that universe.
If that's me, the game will be over this round, so we can see what went wrong. Butter me up, I'm toast anyway.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 22:52
Ridiculous vote splitting is the icing on the trainwreck.
You're looking for a team of three most likely, and there's probably powers in play that can stop a murder, therefore no lylo was called.
Ya think? ;)
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:00
Ya think? ;)
I don't think you actually have a bp, because it makes no sense for a villager to claim it.
The idea is to draw a murder, not tip off the scums not to shoot there.
Inventor. That's why I assumed Pizza had been given a one-shot vig, not had it originally, check my ISO. I mentioned my vest hoping for some kind of handshake from others who might have received something or from the inventor themselves; when I got nothing, I started asking more pointed questions about the vig because then the obvious assumption starts to become the Inventor gave the power to a scum.
This from someone who just tried to sell that a bulletproof vest was too much for a simple game now wants to posit a SK who's killed nobody. You should quite while you're behind.
Never even heard of that role before just now. SK would fit my definition of simple, inventor doesn't.
Lack of kills every night can easily be explained by sk and wolves going for the same targets one night and mafia hitting sk vest another night.
Pizza, if you're town, sell me a potential scum team that I can believe in. I think I pretty much have to vote with you now since I don't see any world where I don't get mislynched eventually and lose us the game if you're scum.
I don't think you actually have a bp, because it makes no sense for a villager to claim it.
The idea is to draw a murder, not tip off the scums not to shoot there.
I don't care. Playing games with the scums over it is redeeming this whole game for me. I'm glad I did.
Never even heard of that role before just now. SK would fit my definition of simple, inventor doesn't.
Lack of kills every night can easily be explained by sk and wolves going for the same targets one night and mafia hitting sk vest another night.
Pizza, if you're town, sell me a potential scum team that I can believe in. I think I pretty much have to vote with you now since I don't see any world where I don't get mislynched eventually and lose us the game if you're scum.
Don't worry, Monty will save you.
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:17
I don't think you actually have a bp, because it makes no sense for a villager to claim it.
The idea is to draw a murder, not tip off the scums not to shoot there.
Wouldn't a 1-off bulletproof be the best person to try to draw a nightkill?
Montmorency
12-07-2016, 23:21
I do not believe khaan can be scum because I think Renata is almost always scum here and he could have saved khaan d2 if they were both scum.
But - Khaan is still alive, so he was - saved? What are you saying here again?
Don't worry, Monty will save you.
By lynching Khaan? Or are you claiming that I have some kind of power?
El Barto: I can hardly believe that you're one of the less scummy players left right now.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:22
Never even heard of that role before just now. SK would fit my definition of simple, inventor doesn't.
Lack of kills every night can easily be explained by sk and wolves going for the same targets one night and mafia hitting sk vest another night.
Pizza, if you're town, sell me a potential scum team that I can believe in. I think I pretty much have to vote with you now since I don't see any world where I don't get mislynched eventually and lose us the game if you're scum.
You would like to have a game where we only kill the people that I, askthepizzaguy, wanted to lynch or vig, and all of them have been townies so far.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:23
Given that I've been the focus of half of the game and we've gone after the people I've pointed at, let's try something different.
Just for fun.
Perhaps someone else can start naming suspects that don't end in "guy".
By lynching Khaan? Or are you claiming that I have some kind of power?
By lynching Khaan, yes.
Montmorency
12-07-2016, 23:24
Name a suspect who doesn't start with the letter "a".
Given that I've been the focus of half of the game and we've gone after the people I've pointed at, let's try something different.
Just for fun.
Perhaps someone else can start naming suspects that don't end in "guy".
ATPG and Pizza, they're scummy.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:25
ATPG and Pizza, they're scummy.
Very well.
Unvote: atheotes
Vote: Renata
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:27
Strike 1: Calling for the vig to claim
Strike 2: Claiming bulletproof
Strike 3: Only suspect is me
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:29
I got 4 strikes this game but I have the special askthepizzaguy card that allows me to be wrong 4 times and still win games.
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:30
By lynching Khaan? Or are you claiming that I have some kind of power?
There were two kills on the same night once - Night 2 IIRC.
El Barto: I can hardly believe that you're one of the less scummy players left right now.
:stare: Get off it, mate.
Given that I've been the focus of half of the game and we've gone after the people I've pointed at, let's try something different.
Just for fun.
Perhaps someone else can start naming suspects that don't end in "guy".
Name a suspect who doesn't start with the letter "a".
‘Sooh's husband’.
‘Montmorency’.
Strike 1: Calling for the vig to claim
Strike 2: Claiming bulletproof
Strike 3: Only suspect is me
Ooh, now it's on. This is what I expected yesterday.
(PS You apparently missed me calling Newyn scum the whole dang day.)
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:31
Very well.
Unvote: atheotes
Vote: Renata
???? If you want to lynch scum, vote for Monty.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:31
How much of the game have you read, El Barto?
But - Khaan is still alive, so he was - saved? What are you saying here again?
By lynching Khaan? Or are you claiming that I have some kind of power?
El Barto: I can hardly believe that you're one of the less scummy players left right now.
Khaan is alive due to RNG, Renata was voting Khaan.
Don't be scum El Barto. If I got two townies with my scumbuddies claim on day one I'll be so happy.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:33
Ooh, now it's on. This is what I expected yesterday.
(PS You apparently missed me calling Newyn scum the whole dang day.)
I don't see you voting there.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:34
I did claim the N2 shot, EB. Just fyi
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:35
How much of the game have you read, El Barto?
Enough that, even with my airways filled with snot and a headache, I still know you haven't answered my queries from last week, which is why I do not oppose your lynch.
Don't be scum El Barto. If I got two townies with my scumbuddies claim on day one I'll be so happy.
Which scumbuddies claim? That was last week.
Montmorency
12-07-2016, 23:35
Khaan is alive due to RNG, Renata was voting Khaan.
Fair enough.
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:36
I did claim the N2 shot, EB. Just fyi
And this proves…?
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:37
Enough that, even with my airways filled with snot and a headache, I still know you haven't answered my queries from last week, which is why I do not oppose your lynch.
Bring it on, then. I would have needed your vote and if I don't have it, a swift end to this game is all I want.
I don't see you voting there.
Oh, I see. Well, I can hardly argue with that.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:38
And this proves…?
It proves I have a shot that the scum team doesn't have. For no one else has claimed a vig shot and they've had ample opportunity.
We can go to tinfoil SK theory territory if you like. Good luck with that.
I can lynch atheotes, I can lynch Renata, I can lynch whoever wants the game to end swiftlier by voting me.
Enough that, even with my airways filled with snot and a headache, I still know you haven't answered my queries from last week, which is why I do not oppose your lynch.
Which scumbuddies claim? That was last week.
Day one, I called you and BSmith scumbuddies with me after somebody, I think Newyn called me scummy like 10 posts into the game. BSmith is townie because he would break my heart to be scum after I went to so much trouble to call him one; it'd be cool if you are town too.
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:40
Bring it on, then. I would have needed your vote and if I don't have it, a swift end to this game is all I want.
I keep telling you, vote Montmorency and answer my queries satisfactorily. Also, there is no majority lynch enabled for this game, so you do not have the ñuxury of playing brinkmanship games with us, pizzaboy. btw what do you think about the suspect I named last page, which complied with your and Montmorency's requirements?
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:41
I was suspect number one yesterday and I named 3 people. There was no interest in lynching anyone but Al Sipsclar.
Lynch Al, and all the blame for this game gets to land on me, and I'm an easy lylo lynch.
How about I was correct about atheotes and I couldn't get support for that, because scums wanted a sweep. But were more than happy to oblige my Al Sipsclar fever dream.
When town is screwing up, scums are going to throw me a rope so I can hang myself and everyone I suspect incorrectly.
Meanwhile, folks say that atheotes is scum but we can't discuss them yesterday, or today.
And Renata has a bulletproof vest she wanted to tell the scum team about for some reason.
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:43
Day one, I called you and BSmith scumbuddies with me after somebody, I think Newyn called me scummy like 10 posts into the game. BSmith is townie because he would break my heart to be scum after I went to so much trouble to call him one; it'd be cool if you are town too.
Oh, right, post #25. A few posts after you went Findthee Swing on us.
Anyone but Pizza, Newyn, Khaan, right Pizza?
Oh, right, post #25. A few posts after you went Findthee Swing on us.
Who's Findthee Swing?
Montmorency
12-07-2016, 23:46
Meanwhile, folks say that atheotes is scum but we can't discuss them yesterday, or today.
I discussed him today. Do I get to live?
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:47
Anyone but Pizza, Newyn, Khaan, right Pizza?
Newyn can be scum after that last minute save.
Keeping a mislynch alive in that situation risks 1 scum in trade for a potential sweep.
I just don't see you lynching there. And no, I'm still not lynching Khaan, but nice try.
Atheotes is town.
Montmorency is town.
Bsmith is town.
I hope El Barto's town.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:49
I discussed him today. Do I get to live?
Again, I don't see you voting there, so whatever.
I don't see you voting for Renata either.
And I see you voting for khaan, and I'm not doing that.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:51
atheotes khaan is town.
Montmorency is town.
Bsmith is town.
I hope El Barto's town.
One suggested change, then lynch the common denominators.
I'll fite you in final 3.
Newyn can be scum after that last minute save.
Keeping a mislynch alive in that situation risks 1 scum in trade for a potential sweep.
Either way is keeping a mislynch alive if it's wrong, don't be silly.
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:52
Who's Findthee Swing?
Nightwatch? Cable Street Particulars?
Montmorency
12-07-2016, 23:53
Pizza, hold on. If Newyn is scum and you are not, why would Newyn call attention to himself to postpone your mislynch? He wasn't anywhere on the shortlist of lynches.
One suggested change, then lynch the common denominators.
I'll fite you in final 3.
Which common denominator, Newyn? That's literally the only one. I can't do that. Monty won't do it, and without that vote the town majority risks being overrun. Sorry, Pizza. I'd love to have a F3 showdown with you, but no dice. You'll just have to kill me or try to lynch me now.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:54
Either way is keeping a mislynch alive if it's wrong, don't be silly.
Al Sipsclar wouldn't be as strong a vote draw today as I would be.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:55
Which common denominator, Newyn? That's literally the only one. I can't do that. Monty won't do it, and without that vote the town majority risks being overrun. Sorry, Pizza. I'd love to have a F3 showdown with you, but no dice. You'll just have to kill me or try to lynch me now.
It's neat how you're speaking for Monty now. And saying how you'd refuse to lynch one of your scum reads.
Montmorency
12-07-2016, 23:56
Al Sipsclar wouldn't be as strong a vote draw today as I would be.
Nor would atheotes and Renata, if they were scum.
In fact, protecting you for another day is not good for any scum team unless you assume Khaan is scum.
El Barto
12-07-2016, 23:56
Either way is keeping a mislynch alive if it's wrong, don't be silly.Al Sipsclar wouldn't be as strong a vote draw today as I would be.
So Newyn is a criminal mastermind. Are you voting for him?
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:56
Pizza, hold on. If Newyn is scum and you are not, why would Newyn call attention to himself to postpone your mislynch? He wasn't anywhere on the shortlist of lynches.
So he can offer me a wonderful bargain today of allowing me to point at a mislynch and then follow me, or lynch me since he has support for that.
I guess he thinks a drowning man has to grasp the first rope he sees. It's a good strat.
It's neat how you're speaking for Monty now. And saying how you'd refuse to lynch one of your scum reads.
Monty speaks quite well for Monty, and he made himself perfectly clear earlier in the day.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:57
Step one: Offer to not lynch me and follow me, if I say the right three names.
Step two: I am already voting atheotes.
Step three: I vote Renata.
Step four: He's not following me.
Step five: Vote: pizza.
Askthepizzaguy
12-07-2016, 23:58
So Newyn is a criminal mastermind. Are you voting for him?
Sure. I'm virtually voting for him, just like several other people who have called him scum.
Pizza, if you really think I'd save you as scum in that situation then I don't know what else there is to say because that's just plain ridiculous.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:00
Pizza, if you really think I'd save you as scum in that situation then I don't know what else there is to say because that's just plain ridiculous.
Ok.
Unvote: Renata
Vote: Newyn
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:00
Sure. I'm virtually voting for him, just like several other people who have called him scum.
Ha. Ha. Funny. Even my influenza-addled bartey sense tells me you're just having fun taunting us before you're revealed as Monty's scumtner.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:00
Pizza, please respond to the observation that saving you for renewed lynchbait makes no sense for any possible scum team without Khaan.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:00
And post @1059 applies even with your ninja-ish vote change.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:01
Pizza, please respond to the observation that saving you for renewed lynchbait makes no sense for any possible scum team without Khaan.
Lol u I'm not lynching khaan.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:02
Pizza, please respond to the observation that saving you for renewed lynchbait makes no sense for any possible scum team without Khaan.
OK, but can you explain how the scum team in a world without khaan as scum could possibly benefit by saving you with EOD switch?
Step one: Offer to not lynch me and follow me, if I say the right three names.
Step two: I am already voting atheotes.
Step three: I vote Renata.
Step four: He's not following me.
Step five: Vote: pizza.
I'm listening, I'm trying my best to see if what you're saying can come from a town perspective. I'm not convinced.
No maj so plenty of time to change my mind but accusing people of been scum because they don't change with over a day left is just a reach.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:03
benefit by saving you with EOD switch, in light of screwing the image of one of their partners.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:07
benefit by saving you with EOD switch, in light of screwing the image of one of their partners.
I don't understand what khaan has to do with it. It was me versus Al Sips.
You just sound like you're fitting jigsaw pieces together to fit the picture you want as opposed to which ones fit together properly.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:12
OK, but can you explain how the scum team in a world without khaan as scum could possibly benefit by saving you with EOD switch?
A world with Newyn and you as his scumbuddies.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:12
You think it would be worth it to have a solid mislynch for LYLO. But, that would not be true unless one of them - the scum - was in serious risk of being lynched.
So, who was that? Not Al Sipsclar, clearly. Renata, me, Bart, BSmith? Nah. Newyn and atheotes seems to be where you are at, but they would have been well-behind khaan for the lynch. So if khaan is not a scum but newyn and atheotes are, then by saving you they just seriously increased their exposure and likelihood of getting lynched. This is especially when you consider that you are the one guy who could have got/get atheotes lynched today.
This is pretty straightforward stuff.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:13
Unvote: Newyn
Vote: Renata
Only one to ask for vig claim. Claimed bulletproof, which is not a thing bulletproof people do when not about to be lynched. Is voting for me. Won't vote for her own scum suspects. I will not be manipulated or bullied or threatened into voting outside of my own suspects. If I have named you as a suspect, and you're town, lynch me today to end this game. Or lynch Renata. Dealer's choice.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:16
Or we could lynch Khaan. I doubt if you are town you think the probability of khaan being town is equivalent to the probability of yourself being town. To not vote Khaan is just deflection atp.
Also, this for reminder:
You think it would be worth it to have a solid mislynch for LYLO. But, that would not be true unless one of them - the scum - was in serious risk of being lynched.
So, who was that? Not Al Sipsclar, clearly. Renata, me, Bart, BSmith? Nah. Newyn and atheotes seems to be where you are at, but they would have been well-behind khaan for the lynch. So if khaan is not a scum but newyn and atheotes are, then by saving you they just seriously increased their exposure and likelihood of getting lynched. This is especially when you consider that you are the one guy who could have got/get atheotes lynched today.
This is pretty straightforward stuff.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:20
No I'm not voting Khaan. I'm not voting Bsmith either.
I will not lynch my town reads, I'd rather end the game this round if that's my option. Vote whichever way that statement forces you to.
Unvote: Newyn
Vote: Renata
Only one to ask for vig claim. Claimed bulletproof, which is not a thing bulletproof people do when not about to be lynched. Is voting for me. Won't vote for her own scum suspects. I will not be manipulated or bullied or threatened into voting outside of my own suspects. If I have named you as a suspect, and you're town, lynch me today to end this game. Or lynch Renata. Dealer's choice.
Just so we're all on the same page. Your 3 scum team that doesn't include you is me, Renata and Atheotes correct?
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:27
Or we could lynch Khaan. I doubt if you are town you think the probability of khaan being town is equivalent to the probability of yourself being town. To not vote Khaan is just deflection atp.
Hey, I point out that you and atpg are scumbuddies with Newyn and you say ‘let's vote Khaan’. Who'd've thought it?
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:29
Hey, I point out that you and atpg are scumbuddies with Newyn and you say ‘let's vote Khaan’. Who'd've thought it?
Who would have thought that someone would want to lynch someone they have been trying to lynch for several days!
Wait a minute...
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:33
*kelsothisguy.jpg*
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:37
Hey, I found the file!
So who's been trying to lynch you for a week because you're obviously scum?
Who's pointing out that you're trying to save atpg and Newyn by trying to lynch issai/seirei/whateverelse-khaan?
THIS GUY!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XZjqaBeYy8I/SmWOIcLBbMI/AAAAAAAAAA4/PJoBtkBJpMU/s400/bob_kelso.png
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:48
unvote: Renata
Vote: El Barto
Can't win the game with you in it anyway. Claiming that me and Newyn are on the same team without being willing to lynch him with me is how this story ends.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:49
Just so we're all on the same page. Your 3 scum team that doesn't include you is me, Renata and Atheotes correct?
Now it's Renata, atheotes, and El Barto.
You can be town now.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:49
You and him and Monty who's trying to shunt the votes off onto 'khaan.
By longstanding policy I must OMGUS you.
vote: Askthepizzaguy
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:51
Now it's Renata, atheotes, and El Barto.
Not one of us will flip scum, my caseo-farinaceous friend.
You can be town now.
You should try for standups once you learn Snorwegian well enough.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:51
Why would you need to OMGUS someone who you think is scum?
You've never stopped acting like it's Day 1.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:51
You and him and Monty who's trying to shunt the votes off onto 'khaan.
By longstanding policy I must OMGUS you.
vote: Askthepizzaguy
If I'm scum with Newyn then you should have taken me up on the offer to lynch Newyn.
I was one of the votes you needed to make that happen.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:53
Pizza-Khaan-BSmith-Newyn is my town.
I need one more person.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 00:55
Pizza, I notice you aren't trying to get BSmith to vote Newyn. Khaan would probably vote with you.
Plenty of reason to be wary.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:56
Why would you need to OMGUS someone who you think is scum?
Vanilla Barto townie always OMGUS's people.
You've never stopped acting like it's Day 1.
I did say I wasn't going to be either my usual fiery self nor my recent townie-leading icy power role but an unhelpful medium. Sort of like lukewarm water, if you get my reference.
If I'm scum with Newyn then you should have taken me up on the offer to lynch Newyn.
I was one of the votes you needed to make that happen.
At the moment I was trying to see whether atpg-newyn-monty or atpg-khaan-monty was the scummier. Newyn saved your arse. Monty's now trying to save his and yours. Thus the final trio is found.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:57
Pizza, I notice you aren't trying to get BSmith to vote Newyn. Khaan would probably vote with you.
Plenty of reason to be wary.
Well why don't you join your scumbuddy pizza and khaan in voting Newyn? That would then prove that my earlier postulate of khaan-atpg-monty being the mafia trio is accurate.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 00:57
Pizza, I notice you aren't trying to get BSmith to vote Newyn. Khaan would probably vote with you.
Plenty of reason to be wary.
Statements which are a deal-breaker: Yes, I think X is scum with you pizza, but I won't vote with pizza to lynch X.
Renata has made such a statement. El Barto has made such a statement.
I can add you to my town or I can add atheotes, but I won't do both.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 00:59
atheotes is town and Monty isn't.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:01
atheotes is town and Monty isn't.
And Askthepizzaguy is?
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:04
And Askthepizzaguy is?
Scum.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:08
Montmorency
atheotes is what alignment and pizza is what alignment.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 01:11
atheotes is what alignment and pizza is what alignment.
Atheotes: ~50% scum
Pizza: 90% scum
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:14
Atheotes: ~50% scum
Pizza: 90% scum
Ok you can be booted from my town.
By process of elimination, my town has to be exactly Pizza-khaan-Bsmith-Newyn-atheotes, leaving Monty-Barto-Renata.
It can be another configuration, but no other configuration can actually win the game. And that town won't win either but at least the others didn't make it impossible for me to win. So there you go.
If you and Barto want to lynch each other this round, I will help you.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:14
What a lovely bit of self-contradiction, Monty.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 01:15
What a lovely bit of self-contradiction, Monty.
I'm sure you will go on.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:16
If atpg weren't voting me I'd be voting you so hard Visor would have to count it as two votes.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:17
If atpg weren't voting me I'd be voting you so hard Visor would have to count it as two votes.
Unvote: El Barto
Vote: Montmorency
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 01:17
If atpg weren't voting me I'd be voting you so hard Visor would have to count it as two votes.
Why does Pizza's vote prevent you from voting me?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:18
Why does Pizza's vote prevent you from voting me?
Because he's bluffing and doesn't want to actually lynch you. And vice-versa.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 01:19
Because he's bluffing and doesn't want to actually lynch you. And vice-versa.
Have any of your several votes been bluffs?
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:20
Unvote: El Barto
Vote: Montmorency
Have any of your several votes been bluffs?
Wanna put it to the test? :verycool:
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:21
Have any of your several votes been bluffs?
No.
You and El Barto have both pledged to vote for me or my villagers, and refused to vote for common scum suspects with me.
Renata has done that as well. Therefore if you are on my team you have made it impossible for me to win the game. As such, all three of you can die one by one. And I will vote with any one person inside that group that pledges to lynch the other.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:21
vote for atpg if you want to live. I promise you that I'll vote you again tomorrow, once he's out of the way.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:22
I come into this round thinking atheotes is scum. I come into it thinking Newyn can be scum and setting me up to fail.
Neither one of them made it impossible for me to win as town with them. Therefore they can be town. Simple as that.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:22
No.
You and El Barto have both pledged to vote for me or my villagers, and refused to vote for common scum suspects with me.
Renata has done that as well. Therefore if you are on my team you have made it impossible for me to win the game. As such, all three of you can die one by one. And I will vote with any one person inside that group that pledges to lynch the other.
Hahahaha. You're saying Monty and I are teammates. You'll burn in hell tonight and Monty the next one.
Unvote: Newyn
Vote: Renata
Only one to ask for vig claim. Claimed bulletproof, which is not a thing bulletproof people do when not about to be lynched. Is voting for me. Won't vote for her own scum suspects. I will not be manipulated or bullied or threatened into voting outside of my own suspects. If I have named you as a suspect, and you're town, lynch me today to end this game. Or lynch Renata. Dealer's choice.
Oh god, you couldn't even keep your vote on Newyn for five minutes.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:25
Hahahaha. You're saying Monty and I are teammates. You'll burn in hell tonight and Monty the next one.
You're saying I'm scum, and refusing to vote for any of my other scum suspects. You're preventing me from making progress.
Monty is saying I'm scum, and refusing to vote for any of my other scum suspects. He's preventing me from making progress.
You both have a boner for one another, and that sexual tension will be resolved. I will apply the necessary lubricants for you.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:27
Oh god, you couldn't even keep your vote on Newyn for five minutes.
You refused to vote him with me. You refuse to vote for common scum suspects. You are preventing me from winning the game with you if you're town. You claimed bulletproof under no pressure. You asked me to claim vig.
Listen, Team UncleDynamite, if you absolutely, 100 percent, prevent me from helping the scum team win the game by barring me from mislynching anyone, then I will by process of elimination end up voting exactly for your entire team.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:29
Congratulations for putting up enough walls that the worst roomba of all time was forced to lynch you anyway, despite trying really hard to lose for town.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:32
Newyn had it right. Who are three people besides me you're willing to lynch, since X number of others this game have already declared they want to lynch me.
I played that game and the three of you lost big time.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:38
Hey look at El Barto suddenly getting gun shy about lynching Monty now that I'm voting that way.
Offer was on the table. Your turn.
Unvote: Montmorency
Vote: El Barto
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:39
Well, Monty, will you lynch El Barto, or would you prefer Renata?
I will vote for either one. You pick.
Go for it, Pizza.
I've made it perfectly clear since dawn today that I'm not risking a split vote. So you're talking to the wrong person. You get Monty to vote Newyn, then I follow him and beg my other townies to do the same. Otherwise I stay on you. It's that simple.
I got a bulletproof vest "in the mail" at some point I'm not specifying (to make similar fake claims more difficult) early in the game, and I've been waiting ever since for an inventor to claim, for some other recipient to claim, for something to happen that will help me identify other townies. Nothing happened. I even looked at Scarlett's ISO after she died, not a damn thing. So I figured there's got to be something else out there. Then the vig shot showed up. That's it, I think. Someone else was gifted a one-shot power and there it is. I expect a claim. Nothing happens. I mention my bulletproof vest in passing thinking maybe to get some kind of handshake, nothing. Well, this is weird. Something's not right here. And if the rest doesn't make sense from that perspective, then there's something wrong with you, not me.
I'm enjoying the little twist you've put on the vest since yesterday. It's not a generic "one-shot vest" as you imply. It doesn't protect me regardless of when I'm shot at. I get one shot to use it, to guess correctly or not. If I guess wrong and am not targeted, it's wasted. For all you know I used it on night two and started playing games right after that to give the scum a scare and salvage some fun from my mistake. What do you think?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:42
Go for it, Pizza.
I've made it perfectly clear since dawn today that I'm not risking a split vote. So you're talking to the wrong person. You get Monty to vote Newyn, then I follow him and beg my other townies to do the same. Otherwise I stay on you. It's that simple.
Monty looks like scum at the moment, that's beyond my power.
I am engaging in nuclear diplomacy. You are responsible for your own vote, as is EB, as is Monty.
If you want to put Newyn on the table, the ball is in YOUR court, not mine.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:44
Congratulations for putting up enough walls that the worst roomba of all time was forced to lynch you anyway, despite trying really hard to lose for town.
Walls? Roombas? What the hell?
Hey look at El Barto suddenly getting gun shy about lynching Monty now that I'm voting that way.
Offer was on the table. Your turn.
Unvote: Montmorency
Vote: El Barto
>_<
I already told you that you swing. If I come back to the thread and find you voting me yet again then you're not going to get me to move my vote off you.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:46
Walls? Roombas? What the hell?
>_<
I already told you that you swing. If I come back to the thread and find you voting me yet again then you're not going to get me to move my vote off you.
I put the offer on the table to lynch the guy you claimed to want dead all game. Your response is to continue voting me.
I can also vote for Renata. If you want me voting for you, you get to make that continue happening.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:47
Unvote: El Barto
Vote: Renata
It's entirely your decision. Let me know if you prefer me voting for you instead of your own suspect or someone you can't clear.
I like this Pizza. This Pizza is fun. Much better than the one that kept telling the me he said he thought was town to cut the bullshit and play a normal game.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:48
Renata, will you vote for El Barto? Will you vote for Monty?
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:49
Unvote: El Barto
Vote: Renata
It's entirely your decision. Let me know if you prefer me voting for you instead of your own suspect or someone you can't clear.
Eh? I am not going to vote for Renata.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:49
Or is it Newyn v Pizza and only Newyn v Pizza. LMK it can inform a future vote of mine.
You never know what the final vote will be. Wheel of voting turn turn turn.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:50
Yeah, sure, make it Newyn v. Pizza. probable mafia v. certain mafia. I'm voting the certain mafia.
Renata, will you vote for El Barto? Will you vote for Monty?
No, and no. It's you or Newyn, and Newyn only if Monty agrees.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:51
Eh? I am not going to vote for Renata.
I didn't see you write the words "Yes Pizza, I will help you lynch my suspect, a suspect you and I both share, at this, the most critical lynch of the game."
I must be going blind.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:52
No, and no. It's you or Newyn, and Newyn only if Monty agrees.
Won't it be interesting if you and El Barto and Monty all agree it has to be Newyn after this sequence of events.
Well, Monty? Is it Newyn?
What do you think of me calling out all three of you and saying Newyn's a townie?
El Barto
12-08-2016, 01:53
I must be going blind.
It's all the improperly fermented fish and that mania your new countrymen have of spelling ä and ö as æ and ø -your reading skills are impaired.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:56
Fascinating retort.
So, let's recap:
Monty, El Barto, and Renata refuse to lynch one another and will only lynch inside khaan, Newyn, or Pizza.
Pizza isn't voting for Pizza or Khaan. Those are the places wherein I will launch nukes if you launch nukes.
So, it's now up to the following people:
1) atheotes
2) Bsmith
3) Khaan
4) Newyn
To force my nukes onto the others with their vote.
If you want my recommendation, lynch Renata first. She may have claimed bulletproof to provide herself some cover if I ever shot her and she lived.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:57
It's also bafflingly horrendous strategy for a townie to claim bulletproof.
But a scumbag who wants to explain their not dying might claim bulletproof because they don't have a townie mindset.
They may also want the vigilante to claim so they can block this person.
Pizza, you can call out whoever you like. If you can get me, or anyone else lynched, kudos to you. It will be well deserved. I will applaud you after 'mafia victory' pops up, while I cry in my water glass.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 01:58
Pizza, you can call out whoever you like. If you can get me, or anyone else lynched, kudos to you. It will be well deserved. I will applaud you after 'mafia victory' pops up, while I cry in my water glass.
Yep, if I can get anyone lynched after this stinkfest of a game it will only reinforce the crappy meta I have that the game is only about askthepizzaguy, and who he wants to lynch, and I will be very very grateful the game ends with my lynch.
My cap is off to you.
Oh yay, we're back to calling my play horrendous, at least that's familiar.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:00
If you want my recommendation, lynch Renata first. She may have claimed bulletproof to provide herself some cover if I ever shot her and she lived.
Why haven't you shot her then?
Yep, if I can get anyone lynched after this stinkfest of a game it will only reinforce the crappy meta I have that the game is only about askthepizzaguy, and who he wants to lynch, and I will be very very grateful the game ends with my lynch.
You're claiming to be townie and that lynching you ends the game. I did not see Visor post anywhere that this was a LYLO scenario. I must be going blind.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:01
My second best suggestion is El Barto, who refused to lynch Monty, a guy he wanted dead all game, when I offered to.
And even when I moved my vote off and re-offered to.
http://gamedevparty.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/gtw.jpg
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 02:01
I've made it perfectly clear since dawn today that I'm not risking a split vote. So you're talking to the wrong person. You get Monty to vote Newyn, then I follow him and beg my other townies to do the same. Otherwise I stay on you. It's that simple.
It's difficult for me to see a scenario where Newyn is scum, or as scum who should be tested today, unless he is part of the same team as Pizza - in which case why would he be the one to test today? To say nothing of Khaan.
But beyond that, if I read you right you are asking me to be the kingmaker, the lynchpin. That's a lot of power to chew on. I admittedly have a weakness for power. At my worst I am a gloryhound. And I haven't outright commanded a lynch in at least a year, when I was (sort of) the elected leader of the town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:03
My second best suggestion is El Barto, who refused to lynch Monty, a guy he wanted dead all game, when I offered to.
And even when I moved my vote off and re-offered to.
Because I have him as your scum-partner, you pineapple-brained cheese pie.
It's difficult for me to see a scenario where Newyn is scum, or as scum who should be tested today, unless he is part of the same team as Pizza - in which case why would he be the one to test today? To say nothing of Khaan.
But beyond that, if I read you right you are asking me to be the kingmaker, the lynchpin. That's a lot of power to chew on. I admittedly have a weakness for power. At my worst I am a gloryhound. And I haven't outright commanded a lynch in at least a year, when I was (sort of) the elected leader of the town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE
I'm not asking you to be anything. I'm fine with a Pizza lynch today. I'm just stating my conditions for Pizza's dangling bait of voting Newyn instead. Since you've already stated your opposition to the idea, and since we can't split votes, there's no reason for me alone to switch even if I did see Newyn as a better bet than Pizza, and I don't really. I think they're a package deal.
Because I have him as your scum-partner, you pineapple-brained cheese pie.
This game is going to be interesting even after today. For sure Monty and Barto both survive,even if both are town.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:09
Yep, tomorrow I'll be back to voting Monty and he'll be back to telling me to get off it.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:09
Any possibility of me voting for Newyn will be off the table in 10 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:10
Careful observers will notice I have not vetoed him or even atheotes.
But several people are saying Newyn is scum, yet are not forcing the issue with me. Looks like stalling.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:14
I think X and Y and Z are scum, Z says he's willing to lynch X and Y with me. I still think X and Y are scum, but I will not take Z up on his offer to lynch scums because:
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:15
I will accept "I don't want to get fooled by Askthepizzaguy again" as the only legitimate townie argument for that course of action.
And I will make clucking noises at you in my brain.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:19
This game is going to be interesting even after today. For sure Monty and Barto both survive,even if both are town.
He's not town.
I will accept "I don't want to get fooled by Askthepizzaguy again"
YEEEEAAAHHHHHH
Cluck as much as you want, boyo.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:20
I think Askthepizzaguy is scumbag partners with Newyn.
He's offering to vote for Newyn. Several people who think Newyn is scum say.... nope.
Pizza votes those people instead. Your fault, too, btw.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:20
Can any of the Chrome-users use the plugin? It feels as if the only ones voting are pizza and myself.
Yep, tomorrow I'll be back to voting Monty and he'll be back to telling me to get off it.
I hope I'm out of it by then; picking between the two of you at LYLO would be no fun.
Irrelevant aside, I'm sitting here listening to my son practice his music, and he's being really cute.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:39
Barto is not willing to lynch:
Monty, who he said is scum, with my help
Newyn, who he thinks is scum, with my help
Renata, with my help
Atheotes
BSmith
khaan
El Barto himself
Is any of that wrong? Because that's 7 out of 8, and some of those names are your own suspects. His lynches are exactly me and he opened the round on someone else.
Monty is not willing to lynch:
Newyn, with my help and that of another town read of his, Renata
El Barto, a guy who claims wants him dead all game but becomes be-feathered when I offer to help.
Renata, with my help.
Atheotes
BSmith
Monty himself
That's 6 out of 8. Let me know if I have this wrong. Some of those names are people who should, in theory, prevent it from being possible he can even win the game with if they follow through on their claimed suspicions of him, like El Barto.
Renata is not willing to lynch:
Newyn with Pizza's help. Claims willing to, won't do anything about it.
Monty
El Barto
atheotes
Bsmith
khaan, I take it?
Renata
Let me know if any of this is wrong. That's 7 out of 8.
Funny that I can even put Newyn's name on the table and nobody bats an eye, even though he's a common denominator.
Something's wrong in villager-town when villagers aren't willing to lynch their own claimed suspects with the only guy who has claimed a visibly confirmable power this game.
Vote: Renata
Open to switching to El Barto.
All this talking has made it abundantly clear that the only world where town doesn't lose is one where Pizza is town as I am always the mislynch scum can easily force if Pizza is scum.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:43
Barto is not willing to lynch:
Monty, who he said is scum, with my help
Newyn, who he thinks is scum, with my help
Renata, with my help
Atheotes
BSmith
khaan
El Barto himself
Is any of that wrong? Because that's 7 out of 8, and some of those names are your own suspects. His lynches are exactly me and he opened the round on someone else.
The two bolded? I'm not going to split the vote and let you get off scot-free. El Barto is 100% town, I can guarantee that. Renata, atheotes, BSmith, none of them are anywhere as scummy right now as your two teammates. 'khaan was scummy. Where is he? I'm still not moving my vote off you.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:43
Vote: Renata
Open to switching to El Barto.
All this talking has made it abundantly clear that the only world where town doesn't lose is one where Pizza is town as I am always the mislynch scum can easily force if Pizza is scum.
xpost: then why are you not voting pizzaguy? Why Renata of all people?
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:45
hey Pizza, you claim that Renata, myself and Monty (pots) are scum together and a biiiiiig lead is that none of us is willing to lynch him- or herself. You (kettle) are not willing to be lynched yourself.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:47
The two bolded? I'm not going to split the vote and let you get off scot-free. El Barto is 100% town, I can guarantee that. Renata, atheotes, BSmith, none of them are anywhere as scummy right now as your two teammates. 'khaan was scummy. Where is he? I'm still not moving my vote off you.
You do realize if you lynch a scumbag, and I'm a scumbag, I don't go anywhere tomorrow, right? And the closer I get to lylo with a visible power, the more forced my own murder is?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:48
hey Pizza, you claim that Renata, myself and Monty (pots) are scum together and a biiiiiig lead is that none of us is willing to lynch him- or herself. You (kettle) are not willing to be lynched yourself.
It has been said that I was scum with Newyn. But I put that on the table.
And none of the people who said that possibility was likely took me up on that offer.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:48
What power?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:49
I haven't taken it off the table and the main proponents of that theory are still not budging.
It doesn't seem like they believe in it.
xpost: then why are you not voting pizzaguy? Why Renata of all people?
If Pizza flips town, game is probably over.
If Pizza flips scum, everyone has pretty much pre-determined that I'm scum with him.
That means the only realistic path from my point of view for there not to be a town mislynch that probably ends the game is vote with Pizza and pray that he is town and on the right track.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:54
If Pizza flips town, game is probably over.
He won't.
If Pizza flips scum, everyone has pretty much pre-determined that I'm scum with him.
Yep, but then
That means the only realistic path from my point of view for there not to be a town mislynch that probably ends the game is vote with Pizza and pray that he is town and on the right track.
Why kill the person who tried to get him lynched last Day phase and says she's the only one who the mafia cannot nightkill?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:54
What power?
I shot Zack on a night when another murder happened. No one else has claimed vigilante. It's a visible action that had ample time for a counterclaim or even me being shot as a result of it being a fake claim which it isn't.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 02:56
That… strangely reminds me of my latest game at MU, where a scummo tried to flush out a power role by claiming that same role to avoid being lynched. My purchasing habits do not include your bovine fertiliser among them, sir.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:57
If Pizza flips town, game is probably over.
If Pizza flips scum, everyone has pretty much pre-determined that I'm scum with him.
That means the only realistic path from my point of view for there not to be a town mislynch that probably ends the game is vote with Pizza and pray that he is town and on the right track.
^
Newyn is right.
Logic is that thing where we go: I cannot win with X, Y, and Z. In order for me to win this game, I need to vote with people who need to be willing to lynch X or Y or Z. Those are my only options. I mean, I was all set up for voting these other people today and you guys all removed that option from me. If it's right, it's your own fault. If it's wrong, I was losing the game anyway.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 02:59
Why kill the person who tried to get him lynched last Day phase and says she's the only one who the mafia cannot nightkill?
Indeed? Why lynch someone who claimed to be nightkill immune in a game with a claimed known second shooter, when townies don't advertise that fact?
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:00
That… strangely reminds me of my latest game at MU, where a scummo tried to flush out a power role by claiming that same role to avoid being lynched. My purchasing habits do not include your bovine fertiliser among them, sir.
I wasn't close to being lynched before the claim. Votes did pile on me while I was AFK after the claim, after I said I probably wouldn't be back.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:02
Since it was v/v wagons anyway, we had a nice spread of votes from Monty to Renata to El Barto. Those votes on me didn't even have to be scumbags.
Vote: Renata
Open to switching to El Barto.
All this talking has made it abundantly clear that the only world where town doesn't lose is one where Pizza is town as I am always the mislynch scum can easily force if Pizza is scum.
Clapclapclap. Good performance.
He won't.
Yep, but then
Why kill the person who tried to get him lynched last Day phase and says she's the only one who the mafia cannot nightkill?
Not sure I understand what you mean. I'm voting someone who voted to save Pizza. I can see wolves doing that regardless of whether Pizza is town or scum (either to gain town credit or to save a buddy)
There is actually one world of Pizza scum where I can win and that is if we lynch both of pizza's buddies before lynching him. Town can't mislynch me if there's no more wolves to lynch.
He won't.
Yep, but then
Why kill the person who tried to get him lynched last Day phase and says she's the only one who the mafia cannot nightkill?
Barto, please don't buy Pizza's framing here. I'm perfectly nightkillable. I always have been. I'm playing WIFOM with a single-use bulletproof vest that I lose once used, regardless if I've actually been shot at or not. I have never had, nor have I ever claimed, to have a passive NK protection. It's all up to me faking out the scum correctly for a missed kill, or not.
Pizza keeps ignoring this and claiming the opposite in order to fit his "theory" better.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 03:17
I can see wolves doing that regardless of whether Pizza is town or scum (either to gain town credit or to save a buddy)
How? As I explained to Pizza, this only makes sense if the alternative was to contest the likely lynch of a scum partner the next day, during LYLO. The only way saving Pizza makes sense is if:
1. A scum partner is the next candidate for lynch after Pizza.
2. Pizza is not pushing that scum partner.
So for scenario with town Pizza that leaves one possible team: a Khaan team.
Khaan is the only person who fits the above two conditions, in that he is not being pushed by Pizza and he is (was) a top candidate for lynch with Pizza out of the picture.
If Pizza is town and you are town, then Khaan will always be town, unless you believe scum decided to give themselves a handicap for fun.
If you claimed 1 shot doc, that would be playing WIFOM with scum. Claiming 1 shot BP just means wolves can pretend you don't exist if you're town and gives you an excuse for why you're never killed if you're scum.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 03:18
Sorry, then Khaan will always be scum
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:20
Not sure I understand what you mean. I'm voting someone who voted to save Pizza. I can see wolves doing that regardless of whether Pizza is town or scum (either to gain town credit or to save a buddy)
There is actually one world of Pizza scum where I can win and that is if we lynch both of pizza's buddies before lynching him. Town can't mislynch me if there's no more wolves to lynch.
But you aren't a mislynch.
Barto, please don't buy Pizza's framing here. I'm perfectly nightkillable. I always have been. I'm playing WIFOM with a single-use bulletproof vest that I lose once used, regardless if I've actually been shot at or not. I have never had, nor have I ever claimed, to have a passive NK protection. It's all up to me faking out the scum correctly for a missed kill, or not.
Pizza keeps ignoring this and claiming the opposite in order to fit his "theory" better.
Yes, yes, I'm not moving my vote off him.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:21
Sorry, then Khaan will always be scum
Only if Newyn isn't.
How? As I explained to Pizza, this only makes sense if the alternative was to contest the likely lynch of a scum partner the next day, during LYLO. The only way saving Pizza makes sense is if:
1. A scum partner is the next candidate for lynch after Pizza.
2. Pizza is not pushing that scum partner.
So for scenario with town Pizza that leaves one possible team: a Khaan team.
Khaan is the only person who fits the above two conditions, in that he is not being pushed by Pizza and he is (was) a top candidate for lynch with Pizza out of the picture.
If Pizza is town and you are town, then Khaan will always be town, unless you believe scum decided to give themselves a handicap for fun.
Assuming town pizza, why would they not push an al sips wagon?
If Pizza had been lynched, can you honestly tell me that you believe Khaan would be the top suspect and not the person who survived the counter wagon - aka Al Sips?
But you aren't a mislynch.
Yes, yes, I'm not moving my vote off him.
I know I am, you're free to think what you want but that doesn't change my role and what I know.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 03:28
If Pizza had been lynched, can you honestly tell me that you believe Khaan would be the top suspect and not the person who survived the counter wagon - aka Al Sips?
We know Al Sips is town, and so would the scum. Which, again, means they had no reason to save Pizza.
Al Sips wagon existed because Pizza pushed it. Without Pizza, he would not have been a major suspect - but again, enough to get in the way of your lynch or atheotes lynch if that's where scum is.
Atheotes scum has no reason for it, nor Monty scum nor Renata scum nor Barto scum nor Bsmith scum nor you as scum. Only Khaan as scum might want it, and even then it would be a rather large risk.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:32
How it happened.wall of text
Unvote: atheotes
Vote: Al sipsclar
If we can get the vote movement that way, otherwise I go back.
At this point in the game I had been pushing atheotes, El Barto, and Al Sipsclar, but my vote was on atheotes. When that didn't take, I voted Al Sips.
I had already claimed to be a vigilante.
Pizza is a villager voting for a villager, while accusing probably at least one other villager, while having claimed to shoot a villager, having lynched a couple villagers.
At this point if I lynch, that is one less Al Sipsclar voter, and people have to explain why they lynched the claimed vigilante.
Instead, votes move to Al Sipsclar.
vote: Al Sipsclar
Can't believe I'm doing this. But we need both options.
@novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369) -- why was scum vig your working theory?
Like this one.
At this point in time, Novice, a townie, votes for pizza.
Renata, I mean, where are you headed with your vote. I'm not following you off Pizza/Khaan.
(If I were, my third preference would be Atheotes.)
Reading Pizza's day two I see nothing leading up to a Zack vigging.
Vote: Pizza
If Novice is successful, novice can be lynched the next day (today) instead. If Novice is not successful, Renata was voting elsewhere anyway. And so was El Barto. Wasn't their fault.
Time to rally.
Unvote: Khaan
Vote: Pizza
After all, he's just helping another townie lynch me. Won't be his fault.
Vote: Pizza
I've been more paranoid about Zack and Stork than most of the thread and I don't see myself shooting either of them as a one shot vig over multiple other people that I think would have given more information.
Actually invests in the vote with a reason. Shows his work and his thinking. This vote is not unreasonable. It's not how I play but it's a process I can understand.
Meanwhile, El Barto keeps his vote parked away from the fracas. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053727019&viewfull=1#post2053727019)
going with 4 scum, a smattering of PRs to balance out.
scum 2 - El barto/Al Sips -
scum 3 - Newyn/Khaan
scum 4 - BSmith/Novice
This is too many names.
Nice hedge!
Stuff like this shows atheotes is focused elsewhere.
I cant shake the feeling that pizza is scum. the fact that he has claimed 1-shot gives me pause.
He chose to shoot Zack, whom he has claimed he was unable to read. I cant understand the choice.
We are 10 alive now.
if we have 4 scum - mislynch today and game over possibly. it doest make sense unless there are some town PRs that can reduce kill power or atleast aid in catching scum.
But we have a claim for additional kill power and 1-time limited save.
It makes me believe that we have 3 scum with an additional 1 shot kill ability.
Vote: Pizza
atheotes likewise invests in his read of me as scum and explains his thinking. This vote and his sticking to that read even when Al becomes a possibility doesn't clear him, and I wish he wouldn't keep waiting until close to the end of rounds to make that investment.
For those reasons I opened with a vote on him today.
Where I'm at:
I think Pizza is lying but there's one thing I can't ignore - BSmith and El Barto have been off wagon literally every day.
Could we be completely wrong and be in a situation where we've had V/V wagons 3 days in a row with BSmith and El Barto avoiding everything to not attract attention?
The last minute save of me and the prediction it was v/v wagons gave me pause. I come into this round super paranoid that it is Newyn.
Newyn bringing attention to El Barto and making the critical vote that does attract attention to himself, and prefacing it before making the vote movement demonstrates commitment to the read. Somewhat. He still thinks I'm lying.
But he's not boxing me in completely today. And no one who says he's scum is actually pushing it, they're making a show of it. That doesn't look great for Newyn but it looks worse for his accusers.
Alright. Let's make this interesting. vote: Al Sips
Bsmith doesn't make the critical vote but makes the vote which makes Newyn's vote possible. He's taking a stand while Renata is waffling about both wagons and El Barto is off wagon.
Granted he's in an entirely perfectly safe position regardless so this is null. But it's not scummy.
Up to you, atheotes.
Seems to be prompting atheotes to hop wagons and end up getting blamed for the result. She didn't have me as townie and didn't strongly invest in the Al Sips read either.
Sips wagon had 4 townies on it. Lynch outside of that wagon and you win the game 90% of the time.
At the time, I thought Renata was town. This was going to be my final thought of the game as I'm being lynched. Then Newyn jumps on.
I still think Al Sips wagon was full of townies but I can be wrong about 5/5.
you should have stayed
anyways, i think al sips is scum with pizza
I didn't like this comment and it contributed to me opening the day on atheotes.
But there's seemingly no one alive willing to lynch atheotes. As such, town only wins if I'm wrong. By default, I'm going with that. Who does that leave?
Novice dies, who is not getting votes yet wasn't voting correctly. If I only need to lynch pizza and I don't necessarily need novice's vote to do it, this is who I kill. It doesn't weaken my position at all and leaves more lynchable people alive.
Renata opens today with a vote on me, says Newyn is another option. Monty opens with vote on khaan, is willing to vote me but not his accuser Barto, and El Barto opens with vote on Monty, says Newyn is scum. Each of the three voting divided. But when push comes to shove, El Barto won't actually lynch Monty. Renata won't actually lynch Newyn. Barto won't actually lynch Newyn.
The one person they are willing to lynch is the claimed vigilante, but not the no-reason-claimed bulletproof. Nor their own suspects even with my help.
How it happened.wall of text
If you claimed 1 shot doc, that would be playing WIFOM with scum. Claiming 1 shot BP just means wolves can pretend you don't exist if you're town and gives you an excuse for why you're never killed if you're scum.
You're doing the same thing as Pizza. It's not a generic one-shot bulletproof. I never said it was. I only get one try to use it and if I use it and am not hit that night, it's wasted. That means it's up to me not only to get myself shot at, I also have to ensure I'm shot at on the right night.
I don't think this is an accident. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the power I was given in order to make me look as bad as possible.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:35
I don't think this is an accident. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the power I was given in order to make me look as bad as possible.
Which they would do, you know, if they were mafia, which, you know, they are.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:36
I know I am, you're free to think what you want but that doesn't change my role and what I know.
What role? Please, clueless vanilla townie is my shtick, exasperated possibly 1-off bulletproof is Renata, annoying wannabe-vigilante is askthemafiaguy's, and yours? Don't make me laugh.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:37
And I'm going to ignore pizza's wall of text. He's scum, end of story.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:38
If that's wrong someone can give me an alternate explanation.
I will hear it out provided they are (a) willing to lynch their own suspects (b) they have more than one suspect, or their one suspect's name isn't pizza-related.
Which they would do, you know, if they were mafia, which, you know, they are.
And the thing is I'd clarify at this point whether I still have it or not if someone I think is townie asked, if they thought that benefitted. So far no one has.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:40
If that's wrong someone can give me an alternate explanation.
I will hear it out provided they are (a) willing to lynch their own suspects (b) they have more than one suspect, or their one suspect's name isn't pizza-related.
Fine.
Suspects: person with ‘Know the Dark Side’ as their usertitle-Newyn-Monty. I am willing to lynch them that's why I have only voted them this phase. Happy? Now be quiet and wait for you lynch, doughie.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:40
And I'm going to ignore pizza's wall of text. He's scum, end of story.
Ah, but Monty is also scum, end of story, but you won't lynch him. Isn't that so?
We know Al Sips is town, and so would the scum. Which, again, means they had no reason to save Pizza.
Al Sips wagon existed because Pizza pushed it. Without Pizza, he would not have been a major suspect - but again, enough to get in the way of your lynch or atheotes lynch if that's where scum is.
Atheotes scum has no reason for it, nor Monty scum nor Renata scum nor Barto scum nor Bsmith scum nor you as scum. Only Khaan as scum might want it, and even then it would be a rather large risk.
The opportunity to push for another town member isn't reason enough to give the appearance of trying to save Pizza?
I'm not sure how your mind works but if Al Sip's main (and in your opinion only) accuser died and flipped town, I'd certainly be taking a serious look at him again even if I had previously read him as town.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:42
Fine.
Suspects: person with ‘Know the Dark Side’ as their usertitle-Newyn-Monty. I am willing to lynch them that's why I have only voted them this phase. Happy? Now be quiet and wait for you lynch, doughie.
Are you sure you don't want me to spew more information before I flip scum? I usually don't tell my scum suspects to be quiet.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:43
And the thing is I'd clarify at this point whether I still have it or not if someone I think is townie asked, if they thought that benefitted. So far no one has.
Why would that benefit us, unless you still had it, which may or may not be true? If that Merlot in front of you helps, so be it.
Ah, but Monty is also scum, end of story, but you won't lynch him. Isn't that so?
I've already said you're not going to make me split the waggons, atpg.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:44
Also for someone who finds Monty and Newyn both scum, you seem to be impressively invested in asking them questions or pressing them harder.
Hiding behind the fact that you can only vote one person at a time?
I move my vote around and other people don't stop existing when I'm voting for someone else, case in point.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 03:44
Are you sure you don't want me to spew more misinformation before I flip scum? I usually don't tell my scum suspects to be quiet.
FTFY.
You're doing the same thing as Pizza. It's not a generic one-shot bulletproof. I never said it was. I only get one try to use it and if I use it and am not hit that night, it's wasted. That means it's up to me not only to get myself shot at, I also have to ensure I'm shot at on the right night.
I don't think this is an accident. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the power I was given in order to make me look as bad as possible.
No, I'm not misinterpreting anything like you're claiming. Claiming a 1 shot bulletproof means wolves probably just ignore you for the kill and go on their merry way. It benefits wolves by telling them where not to shoot, that does not really help town. It's not about the specifics of your bp, it's about how useful your claim is in helping town and how useful it'd be if you're actually scum.
If you wanted to WIFOM the wolves, you'd have claimed 1 shot doc, plain and simple.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:56
If you're trying to draw the kill to you as one would with a bulletproof power, one shot doctor does seem to be one of the top ideas.
One shot bulletproof that has to be activated and vanishes even if it doesn't work is an impressively bad power. I believe you can be bulletproof, I think you claimed it because you thought I was the vigilante. Ergo, your suspicion on me yesterday, and your repeated assertions that you were distraught over Zack's death specifically.
Gives you cover for accusing anyone who claims that shot.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 03:58
You did in fact also repeatedly prompt me to admit being the vigilante. You made the call near the start of the round and repeated it later. I only acquiesced to your demand because I thought you were a townie. Otherwise with no more shots (something you couldn't have known!) it's pointless to claim anyway, and with additional shots, it's terribad to claim.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 04:01
Claim bp under no pressure is never a townie tactic, and asking the vigilante to claim when there are no dead scums and therefore they can possibly roleblock or bus drive or bulletproof someone to prevent it from being effective, is unwise. I think the only reason I didn't get pushed that round by Renata for claiming vig is because of where I was voting. As long as I lynched additional townies, she was fine with any outcome.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 04:02
The opportunity to push for another town member isn't reason enough to give the appearance of trying to save Pizza?
I'm not sure how your mind works but if Al Sip's main (and in your opinion only) accuser died and flipped town, I'd certainly be taking a serious look at him again even if I had previously read him as town.
In other words, they benefit more from not lifting a finger? That's what I said multiple times. Do you even know what you're trying to argue at this point?
No, I'm not misinterpreting anything like you're claiming. Claiming a 1 shot bulletproof means wolves probably just ignore you for the kill and go on their merry way. It benefits wolves by telling them where not to shoot, that does not really help town. It's not about the specifics of your bp, it's about how useful your claim is in helping town and how useful it'd be if you're actually scum.
If you wanted to WIFOM the wolves, you'd have claimed 1 shot doc, plain and simple.
This is also nonsense. Claiming one-shot doc doesn't impact strategy at all unless it's to kill Renata specifically. At least Pizza's nonsense has a veneer of logic to it.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 04:05
What would you say is the most logical thing I've said so far?
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 04:08
What would you say is the most logical thing I've said so far?
Too many posts.
seireikhaan
12-08-2016, 04:13
Vote: Renata
El Barto
12-08-2016, 04:16
Vote: Renata
:stare:
El Barto
12-08-2016, 04:16
Actually, :inquisitive: is better than :stare: for that post. But both apply.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 04:20
You missed the most appropriate one: :daisy:
It's 4am my time. If I want anyone to actually read what I said, I need to shut up and walk away now. It's on this page, scroll up.
El Barto
12-08-2016, 04:23
You missed the most appropriate one: :daisy:
It's 4am my time. If I want anyone to actually read what I said, I need to shut up and walk away now. It's on this page, scroll up.
So let's take the discussion away by making a new post. People reading the latest post in the thread will be on another page. :D
Now, khaan: I spend my day trying to convince people that Monty-pizza + one of Newyn and you is the mafia trio. Newyn does a lot of screwing up, including voting with pizzaguy. Then you come along and also vote with pizzaguy. What gives?
VISOR HAS GIVEN PERMISSION FOR ME TO POST TALLIES, NOBODY PANIC THAT A DEAD GUY IS POSTING.
Tally as of post 1201:
Lynch votes
4 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727210#post2053727210), atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727221#post2053727221), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727228#post2053727228), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727397#post2053727397))
3 votes: Renata (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727441#post2053727441), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727474#post2053727474), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727525#post2053727525))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727217#post2053727217))
Voting history:
Askthepizzaguy
GeneralHankerchief
Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Askthepizzaguy
Montmorency
Renata
Newyn
Renata
El Barto
Askthepizzaguy
Montmorency
El Barto
Renata
Renata
Renata
El Barto
12-08-2016, 04:36
Wow. I'm not taking my vote off atpg like this, at all. Monty, why are you voting GH?
El Barto
12-08-2016, 04:47
C'mon, el Monto, you know you want to answer me. Even a ‘get off it’ would be better than your sudden deafening silence.
btw thanks Dp.
atheotes
12-08-2016, 07:43
Ok you can be booted from my town.
By process of elimination, my town has to be exactly Pizza-khaan-Bsmith-Newyn-atheotes, leaving Monty-Barto-Renata.
It can be another configuration, but no other configuration can actually win the game. And that town won't win either but at least the others didn't make it impossible for me to win. So there you go.
If you and Barto want to lynch each other this round, I will help you.
Awww, you think i am a townie? :smitten:
atheotes
12-08-2016, 08:17
Barto is not willing to lynch:
Monty, who he said is scum, with my help
Newyn, who he thinks is scum, with my help
Renata, with my help
Atheotes
BSmith
khaan
El Barto himself
Is any of that wrong? Because that's 7 out of 8, and some of those names are your own suspects. His lynches are exactly me and he opened the round on someone else.
Monty is not willing to lynch:
Newyn, with my help and that of another town read of his, Renata
El Barto, a guy who claims wants him dead all game but becomes be-feathered when I offer to help.
Renata, with my help.
Atheotes
BSmith
Monty himself
That's 6 out of 8. Let me know if I have this wrong. Some of those names are people who should, in theory, prevent it from being possible he can even win the game with if they follow through on their claimed suspicions of him, like El Barto.
Renata is not willing to lynch:
Newyn with Pizza's help. Claims willing to, won't do anything about it.
Monty
El Barto
atheotes
Bsmith
khaan, I take it?
Renata
Let me know if any of this is wrong. That's 7 out of 8.
Funny that I can even put Newyn's name on the table and nobody bats an eye, even though he's a common denominator.
Something's wrong in villager-town when villagers aren't willing to lynch their own claimed suspects with the only guy who has claimed a visibly confirmable power this game.
Everyone has multiple suspects. of varying degrees.
Everyone one wants to vote for their top suspect. if there is no traction for it, then they MIGHT go for their second suspect or choose between available wagons.
Pretty simple really. ~;p
atheotes
12-08-2016, 08:29
You're doing the same thing as Pizza. It's not a generic one-shot bulletproof. I never said it was. I only get one try to use it and if I use it and am not hit that night, it's wasted. That means it's up to me not only to get myself shot at, I also have to ensure I'm shot at on the right night.
I don't think this is an accident. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the power I was given in order to make me look as bad as possible.
How does it make any difference if you claim 1-shot BP or 1-time-wear BP vest?
Vote: Renata
One, two, three.
How does it make any difference if you claim 1-shot BP or 1-time-wear BP vest?
With a normal bp vest Pizza's right; I never would have said anything because eventually I would be getting shot and prevent a nightkill. All I have to do is be myself and I'm going to draw that kill; I never make it to the end of the game as a townie. (Seriously, I can't remember a single endgame I've been involved with.) With the one I did get, eventually isn't good enough. I have to get the scums to kill me on a particular night, the same night as I choose to use it.
Please read what I had to say regarding the reveal otherwise, though, because it wasn't all about wifom. That's Pizza's spin. I was hoping to handshake with other recipients of items, or with the giver of the vest, so I could confirm townies. No one claiming what I was certain was a one-shot vig made no sense to me. Why don't you claim. It's a confirmable action. Pizza's playing games with that one, too, trying to make it all about my anti-town actions that village would never, ever do, when that's BS from top to bottom and somehow mysteriously he still totally thought I was a townie on the day I did both of them, never a doubt at all.
If you want to know whether I still have the vest or not, I will tell you. Just ask. At this point it's no longer fun to play the game, so scum win that round, I guess.
In fact, fuck it. I don't have it anymore, there's not going to me any miracle no-kill. I used it night two just like I said earlier today, and kicked myself for it. All I had left to get any use out of it was the handshaking, and maybe enough WIFOM to cause the mafia to make suboptimal kills. Which maybe did happen last night with novice dying, so if so I'll take it. I never thought it would be used against me.
atheotes
12-08-2016, 12:21
With a normal bp vest Pizza's right; I never would have said anything because eventually I would be getting shot and prevent a nightkill. All I have to do is be myself and I'm going to draw that kill; I never make it to the end of the game as a townie. (Seriously, I can't remember a single endgame I've been involved with.) With the one I did get, eventually isn't good enough. I have to get the scums to kill me on a particular night, the same night as I choose to use it.
Please read what I had to say regarding the reveal otherwise, though, because it wasn't all about wifom. That's Pizza's spin. I was hoping to handshake with other recipients of items, or with the giver of the vest, so I could confirm townies. No one claiming what I was certain was a one-shot vig made no sense to me. Why don't you claim. It's a confirmable action. Pizza's playing games with that one, too, trying to make it all about my anti-town actions that village would never, ever do, when that's BS from top to bottom and somehow mysteriously he still totally thought I was a townie on the day I did both of them, never a doubt at all.
If you want to know whether I still have the vest or not, I will tell you. Just ask. At this point it's no longer fun to play the game, so scum win that round, I guess.
Fair enough. Just wanted to hear it from you. As you can see, my case on Pizza is actually supported by your claim. Though i am not sure about the inventor role.
I am not sure what to make of the highlighted part though. Dont think it is warranted here.
atheotes
12-08-2016, 12:26
In fact, fuck it. I don't have it anymore, there's not going to me any miracle no-kill. I used it night two just like I said earlier today, and kicked myself for it. All I had left to get any use out of it was the handshaking, and maybe enough WIFOM to cause the mafia to make suboptimal kills. Which maybe did happen last night with novice dying, so if so I'll take it. I never thought it would be used against me.
Sure. you dont have it anymore.
Why is Monty off wagon?
atheotes
12-08-2016, 12:48
silly me..thinking it was EOD shortly and wondering why no one has turned up!:laugh4:
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 15:26
We have a problem, though:
Pizza-Newyn-Khaan team does not commit all their votes to a lynch target for which they are the whole wagon. That would be giving up the game and begging for a straight flush of lynches*.
*I don't know what a straight flush actually is.
Askthepizzaguy
12-08-2016, 17:23
Nothing happens here until there are two vote switches.
Montmorency
12-08-2016, 18:15
If Renata is scum and Pizza is town, I am willing to lose now. I believe other arrangements are likelier.
Unvote: Khaan
Vote: Pizza
I want to win, or at the very least get this one lynch right.
El Barto
12-09-2016, 00:13
We have a problem, though:
Pizza-Newyn-Khaan team does not commit all their votes to a lynch target for which they are the whole wagon. That would be giving up the game and begging for a straight flush of lynches*.
*I don't know what a straight flush actually is.
You must have put me on your ignore list, I think. It's atpg+you+Newyn OR 'khaan.
Nothing happens here until there are two vote switches.
If Renata is scum and Pizza is town, I am willing to lose now. I believe other arrangements are likelier.
Unvote: Khaan
Vote: Pizza
50% there, pizzaboy. Will you jump out of a cake in a swimsuit?
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 05:58
Well at least the scum team managed to post at all in the latter half of the day phase.
Tally as of post 1220:
Lynch votes
5 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Renata (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727210#post2053727210), atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727221#post2053727221), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727228#post2053727228), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727397#post2053727397), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727568#post2053727568))
3 votes: Renata (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727441#post2053727441), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727474#post2053727474), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287&p=2053727525#post2053727525))
Voting history:
Askthepizzaguy
GeneralHankerchief
Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Askthepizzaguy
Montmorency
Renata
Newyn
Renata
El Barto
Askthepizzaguy
Montmorency
El Barto
Renata
Renata
Renata
Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 06:48
Lynch votes
5 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Renata, atheotes, BSmith, El Barto, Montmorency)
3 votes: Renata (Askthepizzaguy, Newyn, seireikhaan)
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 06:54
This is what Renata did this game, with annotations as to why those actions were scummy.
Page 1
Voted Stork
Claimed to be scum buddies with El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725285&viewfull=1#post2053725285) and Bsmith. - Taunting
Repeated that claim
Page 2
Voted Generalhankerchief, for the reason of voting dp101 "feels like kicking a puppy". - White knighting
Unvoted GH for seeming genuine. - Hard unvote
Page 3
Claimed Zack was pocketing her.
Voted dp101
Voted Newyn, willing to be persuaded on dp101. -Defended dp101, voted dp101, then voted Newyn for voting for dp101.
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Taunting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725753&viewfull=1#post2053725753) related to the claim that she's scum with El Barto. - Taunting
Repeating (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725753&viewfull=1#post2053725753) that El Barto is scum with her. - Taunting
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defends choxorn and GH (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725894&viewfull=1#post2053725894) to Monty, saying it's a stretch that they'd expend that much wolfy effort on d1.
Says she could see both as scum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725899&viewfull=1#post2053725899).
Voted dp101.
Voted Riedquat.
Her read (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725958&viewfull=1#post2053725958) on both dp and Riedquat. - Low hanging fruit.
Now calls dp and Riedquat both town (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725960&viewfull=1#post2053725960).
Votes dp101 and ties the vote deliberately (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053725961&viewfull=1#post2053725961).
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Randomly suggests Al Sipsclar needs to die next.
After the lynch and the night kill, OMGUS (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726130&viewfull=1#post2053726130) Newyn.
Town reads Stork, Monty, and atheotes.
Stork finds her wolfy for her d1, her response here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726155&viewfull=1#post2053726155).
Explains the Scarlett Aria murder (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726159&viewfull=1#post2053726159).
Looks for wolf/wolf pairings involving Al Sipsclar. Claims Newyn can be wolf with anyone.
Wonders why people thought choxorn was scum yesterday, claims (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726172&viewfull=1#post2053726172) she can't find reasoning.
Almost immediately puts choxorn as w/w with Al Sipsclar: - No consistent read of her own suspects, dp, Riedquat, or choxorn.
Something like this right now:
Town
Renata
Montmorency- if v/v with Renata, why are both still alive? (my comment)
Stork- She said he was town. He accused her. He's dead. (my comment)
GeneralHankerchief- if v/v with Renata, why are both still alive? (my comment)
Atheotes- if v/v with Renata, why are both still alive? (my comment)
BSmith- if v/v with Renata, why are both still alive? (my comment)
Zack
Wytch/Pizza
El Barto
Choxorn -- intruiging possibility of inducing w/w flinch in Al Sips when he got votes (<---Her comment)
Riedquat
Al Sipsclar
Newyn
Mafia
Either pocketing Monty or defending a scumbuddy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726184&viewfull=1#post2053726184). More likely the latter. - Neither are dead.
Refers to Riedquat "taunting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726188&viewfull=1#post2053726188)".
Says Riedquat should be more grateful (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726201&viewfull=1#post2053726201) that she saved him. - Manipulative.
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Votes Newyn.
Wants to know (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726297&viewfull=1#post2053726297) why GH is so scummy.
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Predicts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726466&viewfull=1#post2053726466) she'll be alive with Monty the next day.
Calls too many (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726497&viewfull=1#post2053726497) people scum. - I know this isn't her being serious. But look at her actual comment on townies:
Calls everyone (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726498&viewfull=1#post2053726498) scum except for BSmith and atheotes. - If all three of you guys are all villagers, why are all of you still alive?
@BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273) @atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23809)
Continued in Part 2. I may have to dip out of here and go to school before this is finished.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 06:55
Tl;DR
Everyone she called a townie at the top of her town list is still alive except for the one guy who called her scum.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:00
Other highlights since I know that wasn't read at all.
Defended dp101, voted dp101, voted Newyn for voting dp101.
Defends GH, defends choxorn. Her next comment is that both can be scum.
Wants to know why people find choxorn scummy. Then puts choxorn as w/w with Al Sipsclar.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:28
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Has a problem with someone saying choxorn is scummy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726612&viewfull=1#post2053726612). "No reason given".
Lynch and Murder happens.
Opens D3 with vote on me for being a scumbag. - I think she tracked me to the Zack kill.
Preoccupied (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726671&viewfull=1#post2053726671) with the Zack death, nothing to say about the Stork one. - Also buddying atheotes.
Puts the exact scum team as Askthepizzaguy, Newyn, and Khaan.
Suggests novice can be w/w with khaan.
Votes khaan, asks novice to vote khaan with her. 12 minutes later, expected his vote assistance (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726679&viewfull=1#post2053726679).
Smudges (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726688&viewfull=1#post2053726688) novice for not sheeping her off of one of their shared scum reads and onto another. - This is what I did to her today.
Calls me scummy for voting for Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726694&viewfull=1#post2053726694), guy she spent D2 calling scum and saying choxorn was w/w with.
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Claims bulletproof vest (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726698&viewfull=1#post2053726698) unprompted and under no pressure, phrased as crumb. - Not a thing BP vested villagers do.
Falsely claimed I was going after a "team of lurkers (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726713&viewfull=1#post2053726713)".
Claims El Barto and atheotes are who she's referring to as those lurkers.
"You may be right. But if there's powerwolfing going on, it's probably not in the group of people who haven't even needed to powerwolf, as they've never been threatened one bit." (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726732&viewfull=1#post2053726732)
Explains why Newyn isn't scum (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726805&viewfull=1#post2053726805).
Gives El Barto a pass to continue doing nothing but tunnel Monty ineffectively (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726821&viewfull=1#post2053726821).
Seems sure she'll get shot tonight. Claims that would kill her.
Acting like she's giving up on El Barto after just telling him it's okay for him to vote Monty. - Distancing.
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Points out that El Barto is merely voting Monty over and over for saying "Get off it". Asks for a case. - How El Barto and Monty are w/w. They're distancing by pretending to have animosity and repeating one ineffective reason why this person is scum, intending to gather no votes on the other.
Votes atheotes
Extended conversations between Monty and Renata, where she predicts Monty will be alive tomorrow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726889&viewfull=1#post2053726889).
Passes the buck to me for the lynch D3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726890&viewfull=1#post2053726890), after calling me scum and having several scum suspects of her own.
Continues asking for the vigilante to claim (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726905&viewfull=1#post2053726905).
then:
Notes that the vigilante (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game-In-Play&p=2053726908&viewfull=1#post2053726908) shot Zack. - This is not a thing she knows unless she has a tracking result or is scum. In this case, both. She also opened the round with a vote on me and only pressed for the vigilante to openly claim when I was in the thread talking to her. She never claimed a tracking result, she claimed BULLETPROOF, a thing townies do not claim for no reason.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:30
I know that much, or guessed. That's not what I can't figure out.
When I said I was vigilante with only 1 shot.
She's hedging between a bulletproof and a tracker claim. There's no way she can know or guess I was the 1 shot vigilante if she's not a tracker.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:31
Nah, I was pissed because Zack was not in my personal shit list, not that he couldn't hypothetically be on anyone's. Maybe you should ask Khaan this question, seeing as he had Zack as townie despite apparently having no idea why Zack had voted for him.
Claims to be pissed because the vigilante shot Zack.
She had Zack and Stork as both town.
How did she know the vigilante shot Zack and not Stork as bulletproof, not as tracker?
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:33
By the way, regarding Pizza's vig claim in a roundabout way:
I do have a bulletproof vest. Single use, have to guess properly when to use it. I didn't have it at start of game, and my assumption was a power role had given it to me. (That may have been an incorrect assumption. I'm asking.) If a power role gave Pizza the vig power similarly, then using the vig says nothing about Pizza. If the vig power was in the game from the start like a conventional power, then barring CC today the only person who could have had it other than him is Stork, who died last night. (I don't see mafia killing Zack.) Stork, unfortunately, went silent after the GH thing, and I don't know what his reads were.
But Pizza, I'm not liking the atheotes idea right now.
Claims bulletproof vest to avoid me shooting her last night.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:34
vote: Al Sipsclar
Can't believe I'm doing this. But we need both options.
@novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369) -- why was scum vig your working theory?
Votes my suspect while leaving the scum vig theory on the table at the same time. Mislynch after mislynch.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:35
I don't know yet here I'm heading with my vote.
A townie has this thought at this stage of the game, when she has like 4 scum suspects.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:36
Khaan and Monty w/w? Can we just give them the Emmy for best dramatic performance now?
Claims Monty is scum
Monty-Renata-Pizza
Claims Renata is scum
Let's call it a win and blow this pop stand.
Taunting you.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:37
I'm actually more convinced of Newyn than of Khaan at this point, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I think the bit at end of day with Newyn first voting Pizza, then switching, was a bit of theater to make him look not quite so much like a teammate, enabled by BSmith changing his vote. Look at Pizza talking about Newyn throughout this game and tell me you don't see mafia tiptoeing around a teammate.
I don't understand why you would go Khaan today and risk splitting votes at LYLO.
Because you and El Barto and Monty opened the round with 3 different votes on purpose.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:38
Oh please. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Is this your way of telling me you're going to wimp out of shooting at me tonight, too?
Predicts she will live again tonight.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:39
I don't care. Playing games with the scums over it is redeeming this whole game for me. I'm glad I did.
Admits claiming bp as town is a bad strategy, claims she did it to "play games with the scums" as opposed to handshake with the inventor.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:40
Don't be scum El Barto. If I got two townies with my scumbuddies claim on day one I'll be so happy.
Sure, just vote Monty repeatedly and be worthless, and I'm not going to look into that more. Just "don't be scum"
Excellent towning. And the "I claimed scumbuddies with El Barto" thing is still on her mind here.
Very proud of yourself for that, aren't you?
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:42
Atheotes is town.
Montmorency is town.
Bsmith is town.
I hope El Barto's town.
Her 2 scum buddies and her 2 wrong townies.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:43
Which common denominator, Newyn? That's literally the only one. I can't do that. Monty won't do it, and without that vote the town majority risks being overrun. Sorry, Pizza. I'd love to have a F3 showdown with you, but no dice. You'll just have to kill me or try to lynch me now.
Refused to vote for common suspect Newyn.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:43
And as noted, was speaking on Montmorency's behalf.
Glad they have a spokesperson.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:44
So Newyn is a criminal mastermind. Are you voting for him?
Calling himself a criminal mastermind, because he's quite pleased with himself th how he's dicked over this town.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:44
Oh god, you couldn't even keep your vote on Newyn for five minutes.
I offered to lynch him. She refused. This is the exact same frigging thing she did with NOVICE.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:45
No, and no. It's you or Newyn, and Newyn only if Monty agrees.
Shifts responsibility for who she votes onto Montmorency.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 07:46
Eh? I am not going to vote for Renata.
El Barto will not vote for Renata. Will not vote for Montmorency, the guy he opened the round voting for and spent all game calling scum.
It was a bluff.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 08:34
Couldn't finish, at school now.
Scummary:
Her one-time and still villager reads Monty, El Barto, atheotes, and Bsmith shouldn't all be alive if that's an entire block of villagers.
She gives El Barto a pass to ineffectively push Monty all game for no reason. Unwilling to lynch here or on Montmorency.
El Barto pushes Monty ineffectively all game, making no case on him whatsoever, latching onto a thing he said, and skating through the game. When I offer to help him lynch Monty, he utterly refuses, even though that was his opening vote today and his game-long suspect. Refuses to push Renata.
Montmorency unwilling to lynch anyone but khaan or myself, not willing to lynch his accuser El Barto, or Renata.
Renata knew I was a one shot vig, pressed me to claim the shot, knew the vigilante shot Zack and not Stork, and then claimed bulletproof.
She claimed bulletproof even though that's not a thing a villager does as bulletproof. Evidence points to her being a tracker.
Renata pushes choxorn and Al sipsclar as wolf/wolf then goes after anyone who agreed with her, except Monty.
Renata pushed dp101 and Reidquat and then went after people who agreed with her.
She passed the blame for dp101, Reidquat, choxorn, and Al sipsclar onto others and asked them to make the call. Example: Telling atheotes it was up to him last round, instead of taking a stand and pushing her own suspects.
I have a visibly confirmed power that has not been counterclaimed, which, if I am scum, means the scum team had a one time shot in addition to their regular shot. It's more traditional for them to have let's say a strongman shot which replaces the team kill that night.
Instead of pushing me yesterday, Renata was willing to lynch my suspect, since it was wrong.
What's scummier- guy who made cases on people and was wrong, never backed off any of his own reads or passed the blame, or person who allowed all of those lynches to happen, but positioned herself such that it was never her fault.
What's scummier- guy who claimed a one time vigilante shot, or person who claimed bulletproof for no reason after there's a vigilante known to be in the game?
Keep in mind for the above line: She is claiming she no longer even had that bulletproof power at the time she made that claim. But she still claimed she had it after I claimed vigilante, to deter me from shooting there.
El Barto and Renata have been hinting they're scum together all game.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 08:37
Renata and Montmorency both claimed to be scum together with one another this round also.
El Barto called the scum team's choices "mastermind".
This is a team of scumbags that is taunting you right to your face and have all town-read each other, and refuses to vote one another, while also town-reading atheotes and BSmith where convenient.
If that group is all town, why did me, khaan, and Newyn never shoot inside that group?
I AM NOT MENTALLY CHALLENGED.
@atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23809) @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
That's it. Renata is the easiest read. She's got 3 votes.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 08:40
I am your uncounterclaimed visible vigilante.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 08:48
Track where her suspicion is all game. She's flip flopping between defense, accusation, and accusing the accusers of people she suspects.
She reads people townie and then scum with nothing in between explaining the flip.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 08:49
She outposted me this game, and both she and most of the other high posters she read as town are all still alive. She never gained suspicion and her one worry this game was me shooting her.
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 08:52
Other than me, Renata, El Barto, and Montmorency are the 3 top posters of the game. None have received suspicion, none were nightkilled, all refuse to lynch the other even when one votes the other (EB--> Monty).
Askthepizzaguy
12-09-2016, 09:06
Puts the exact scum team as Askthepizzaguy, Newyn, and Khaan 2 rounds ago.
We didn't kill off any of the people she mutually town-read. We decided to leave all of you alive with her as bulletproof and getting no suspicion whatsoever.
We didn't reduce the number of her allies.
Also, a team of Askthepizzaguy, Newyn, and Khaan. I decided it was a good idea to openly have my teammates vote with me this round and save me yesterday, while not removing any of the people who suspected any of us.
That happened in this universe.
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