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Feeling the heat? :)
Moderately so. What do you think about how I'm being pushed?
If we're done bullying poor Dp101 we could move some votes on Auto to surprise him when he comes back!
The Barto wagon could be juicy as well. You have my spiritual support on that.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:28
Only part of you wants to be contrarian? That would point out that you are going against… yourself.
I require more information, sir.
1) justification for this vote
2) justification for why you later changed it to Dp101.
3) justification for why you do this while I am eating.
1) You might be wolfin', brah.
2) He's kinda wolfy and Csargo wants to be a hero and lynch a scum this game, and I'm going to vote my top wolf lean if it doesn't get people's panties in a twist despite the name of the player.
3) You suck at choosing the correct time to eat? I dunno. Work around my schedule. :P
Barto come vote Dp pls.
hahahhahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahha
Moderately so. What do you think about how I'm being pushed?
It's fair, you were stonewalling us pretty badly. Looking a bit better now that we're getting something out of you, tho don't disappear even if your wagon does.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:29
I don't even know him and I suspect he'd be exactly this arrogant.
I kind of like the backpedal on it from you though.
Yeah think it's NAI.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:29
It's fair, you were stonewalling us pretty badly. Looking a bit better now that we're getting something out of you, tho don't disappear even if your wagon does.
???
It's fair, you were stonewalling us pretty badly. Looking a bit better now that we're getting something out of you, tho don't disappear even if your wagon does.
I'll try not to. I do have a terrifying Japanese final tomorrow though, so I may well be out for a portion of that day as well. After that, I basically have no obligations, so should have time for this.
Yeah think it's NAI.
You think this post is, or my backpedal is?
If we're done bullying poor Dp101 we could move some votes on Auto to surprise him when he comes back!
The Barto wagon could be juicy as well. You have my spiritual support on that.
auto doesn't respond to pressure, it's useless to wagon him early imo.
auto doesn't respond to pressure, it's useless to wagon him early imo.
Agreed.
Accusations literally appear as fast as I can type rebuttals, doesn't feel light from this end. Also that keyboard spam looks fake to me.
Blame ATPG. I'm slow af. xcvasdotfiewanfcvaso;liashefhdvasn
auto doesn't respond to pressure, it's useless to wagon him early imo.
Well shit, I didn't know. Still going to try though, but I suppose ya'll have a good excuse not to help me out.
auto doesn't respond to pressure, it's useless to wagon him early imo.
Also, he probably won't come back this phase, but maybe...
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:33
Barto come vote Dp pls.
You see…
19713
Shame about your alignment.
Vote: El Barto
(!)
FfoS: crimson_snow
If we're done bullying poor Dp101 we could move some votes on Auto to surprise him when he comes back!
The Barto wagon could be juicy as well. You have my spiritual support on that.
Interesting.
I suggest that more lucid minds than mine examine a possible link between Jowy and crimson_snow and rebellious human scum.
1) You might be wolfin', brah.
2) He's kinda wolfy and Csargo wants to be a hero and lynch a scum this game, and I'm going to vote my top wolf lean if it doesn't get people's panties in a twist despite the name of the player.
3) You suck at choosing the correct time to eat? I dunno. Work around my schedule. :P
1) I will concede that that is an ever-present possibility.
2) We can always get Csargo to bus somebody.
3) I… what? I am a civilised person who eats away from the computer.
Barto come vote Dp pls.hahahhahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahha
Enough is enough.
I would have voted crimson_snow first as a matter of policy, but you do not get to do this and live.
vote: Dp101
???
What's the problemo?
Stonewalling is when someone just refuses to give us anything to work with despite being pressure to do something.
Oh, I forgot about something critical. Vote: Csargo. It really looks like you are trying to powerwolf from my perspective, and while I may end up voting a townie who just wants to try hard, hit a scum, soar high, and then get shot down by scum, I feel like this kind of early aggressive pushing is more commonly seen from scum on this forum.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:34
Never said you didn't.
Just that I suspect you take a lot of pride in your wolf game and in the fact that your range as both alignments is frighteningly large. Your first post effectively says that.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m92pinIlRS1qih9gi.gif
Or maybe you do. I'd almost be curious as to ask who you were, as I might know you under a different alias from somewhere.
But it's completely game-irrelevant for me to ask and I don't want anyone to read anything into me asking, so tell me after the game if you want to.
hahahhahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahha
Don't laugh at my attempts to coerce Barto. Pls!
https://i.imgur.com/7s7EZrM.gif
Enough is enough.
I would have voted crimson_snow first as a matter of policy, but you do not get to do this and live.
vote: Dp101
I'm not allowed to laugh at concepts I find laughable?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:35
If we're done bullying poor Dp101 we could move some votes on Auto to surprise him when he comes back!
The Barto wagon could be juicy as well. You have my spiritual support on that.
I'm still waiting for his reads he said he'd do in a minute.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:36
I'm not allowed to laugh at concepts I find laughable?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:37
You think this post is, or my backpedal is?
Your backpedal is nai.
Oh, I forgot about something critical. Vote: Csargo. It really looks like you are trying to powerwolf from my perspective, and while I may end up voting a townie who just wants to try hard, hit a scum, soar high, and then get shot down by scum, I feel like this kind of early aggressive pushing is more commonly seen from scum on this forum.
I wish I could quit you Dp101, but I can't. It's too tempting for me to pass up.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:37
Eh. Maybe not quite a straw man. But it's a deflection of the point that it was pretty over the top.
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:38
I'm not allowed to laugh at concepts I find laughable?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
crimson_snow used wikipedia! It is super effective!
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:38
Also, I don't think El Barto's FoS on me is at all a genuine thought or read he has, and he should die.
Oh, I forgot about something critical. Vote: Csargo. It really looks like you are trying to powerwolf from my perspective, and while I may end up voting a townie who just wants to try hard, hit a scum, soar high, and then get shot down by scum, I feel like this kind of early aggressive pushing is more commonly seen from scum on this forum.
Alright that's a bad move. When you start your wagon with an excuse for when the target flips villa, it probably won't be taking off any time soon. Oh and it's suspicious.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:39
Well shit, I didn't know. Still going to try though, but I suppose ya'll have a good excuse not to help me out.
"Autolynchus"
He's a good player, he's just not someone who will be in the thread a lot.
Just something we have to adapt to him about, and he adapts to us by giving us good reads and lynching scums by putting in the effort when he has the time.
He will be lynched without any struggle whatsoever in the early game. He's low information at this stage of the game and that's not scummy for him.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:41
Oh, I forgot about something critical. Vote: Csargo. It really looks like you are trying to powerwolf from my perspective, and while I may end up voting a townie who just wants to try hard, hit a scum, soar high, and then get shot down by scum, I feel like this kind of early aggressive pushing is more commonly seen from scum on this forum.
I would love to see Csargo power wolf.
I think this is townie Csargo, and not even his usual townie self. He's hungry this game.
I'm still waiting for his reads he said he'd do in a minute.
Well, I was somewhat busy having to keep up with your questioning. Overall, slight scum on you since your play here reminds me of Visor's game, mostly because of the early push. Moderate scum on Csargo since his behaviour seems uncharacteristic to me, and he didn't answer my question on his meta (or if he did I missed it). Strong town on Crimson, because tone so pure. Barto is himself, I will never learn how to read him. Jowy gets slight town, as he does bring up my meta every time he plays as town with me. I'll do the rest later, I need to eat dinner.
I would love to see Csargo power wolf.
I think this is townie Csargo, and not even his usual townie self. He's hungry this game.
This level of hunger is just insane though, imo.
Alright that's a bad move. When you start your wagon with an excuse for when the target flips villa, it probably won't be taking off any time soon. Oh and it's suspicious.
It isn't an excuse, it's anticipating counter arguments ahead of time, and also showing that I actually put thought into it rather than just OMGUSing.
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:44
Also, I don't think El Barto's FoS on me is at all a genuine thought or read he has, and he should die.
Oh, ho, ho, that is a good one. But I thought we'd ended with the jokes?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:45
Well, I was somewhat busy having to keep up with your questioning.
My questioning is not something that has to be responded to right now. Your hunting scums and finding townies takes precedence over my one vote on you.
I realize that I'm a fire and you're bleeding nitroglycerin right now, so I'll suppress my triumphalism and grandstanding that would ordinarily take place if I thought I was convincingly lynching a townie here as a wolf.
I will just say, calmly, you continue to look bad to me.
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:46
This level of hunger is just insane though, imo.
Askthepizzaguy has already explained about his weird mealtimes.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:46
I kind of want to say that a wolf just...doesn't scum read the people attacking him, and town read the person saying to stop bullying him. It's so binary and level 1 and bad.
Also don't read me on tone.
I am as pure as a newborn child tone-wise and will bathe in the blood of town if I get written off due to it generally.
Town read me on process/content, fine, fine, but tone is both easy and lazy.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:46
Oh, ho, ho, that is a good one. But I thought we'd ended with the jokes?
Askthepizzaguy has already explained about his weird mealtimes.
Apparently not.
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:48
This level of hunger is just insane though, imo.
Askthepizzaguy has already explained about his weird mealtimes.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:49
I kind of want to say that a wolf just...doesn't scum read the people attacking him, and town read the person saying to stop bullying him. It's so binary and level 1 and bad.
Also don't read me on tone.
I am as pure as a newborn child tone-wise and will bathe in the blood of town if I get written off due to it generally.
Town read me on process/content, fine, fine, but tone is both easy and lazy.
That's the one thing that pushed you out of null, is the one post I quoted.
Otherwise I'm feeling like you're normally a wall of pokerface with excellent tactics on both sides of the ball, to mix metaphors.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:49
My questioning is not something that has to be responded to right now. Your hunting scums and finding townies takes precedence over my one vote on you.
I realize that I'm a fire and you're bleeding nitroglycerin right now, so I'll suppress my triumphalism and grandstanding that would ordinarily take place if I thought I was convincingly lynching a townie here as a wolf.
I will just say, calmly, you continue to look bad to me.
I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes. The pressure on him has been multi-faceted and constant, and he's had no time or room to do anything but respond to it. I can't actually tell if it's malicious or not, but it feels unfair, if nothing else. This is the kind of bullying that makes people look worse even as town when there is no space for them to actually be town.
He could be a wolf! I just think it's hard to tell when people treat someone like this.
Well, I was somewhat busy having to keep up with your questioning. Overall, slight scum on you since your play here reminds me of Visor's game, mostly because of the early push. Moderate scum on Csargo since his behaviour seems uncharacteristic to me, and he didn't answer my question on his meta (or if he did I missed it). Strong town on Crimson, because tone so pure. Barto is himself, I will never learn how to read him. Jowy gets slight town, as he does bring up my meta every time he plays as town with me. I'll do the rest later, I need to eat dinner.
I don't even know my own meta, I constantly change for my own entertainment. So I can't answer your question. It'd be better to ask others about my meta than me tbh, because I just play the game. I don't analyze myself, that's just pointless.
ATPG is scum until he is lynched and flips town imo.
This level of hunger is just insane though, imo.
Thx.
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:52
That's the one thing that pushed you out of null, is the one post I quoted.
Otherwise I'm feeling like you're normally a wall of pokerface with excellent tactics on both sides of the ball, to mix metaphors.
You are going gaga, I see.
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:53
ATPG is scum until he is lynched and flips town imo.
Why are you not voting for him?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:54
I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes. The pressure on him has been multi-faceted and constant, and he's had no time or room to do anything but respond to it. I can't actually tell if it's malicious or not, but it feels unfair, if nothing else. This is the kind of bullying that makes people look worse even as town when there is no space for them to actually be town.
He could be a wolf! I just think it's hard to tell when people treat someone like this.
That's why when he has time, he needs to post those reads.
How to read dp101 at this point is to allow him to do his town-finding process and wolf-finding process.
I'm not going to delay my reactions in real time, but he should be the one prioritizing the town-finding on his end, and so forth. It's a choice not to do the reads you say you'll do in a minute.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 02:55
I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes. The pressure on him has been multi-faceted and constant, and he's had no time or room to do anything but respond to it. I can't actually tell if it's malicious or not, but it feels unfair, if nothing else. This is the kind of bullying that makes people look worse even as town when there is no space for them to actually be town.
He could be a wolf! I just think it's hard to tell when people treat someone like this.
I somehow skipped over some of my thoughts here.
"I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes with you thinking he is someone capable of clearing himself."
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:55
You are going gaga, I see.
I appreciate a solid process.
I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes. The pressure on him has been multi-faceted and constant, and he's had no time or room to do anything but respond to it. I can't actually tell if it's malicious or not, but it feels unfair, if nothing else. This is the kind of bullying that makes people look worse even as town when there is no space for them to actually be town.
He could be a wolf! I just think it's hard to tell when people treat someone like this.
I like the last two sentences. They're the best. 5 stars. A++ 100%
El Barto
06-22-2017, 02:57
You are going gaga, I see.I appreciate a solid process.
That's why you keep this poker face of yours.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:57
I somehow skipped over some of my thoughts here.
"I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes with you thinking he is someone capable of clearing himself."
Oh that's where you're mistaken.
He might be a little shaken right now, and overwhelmed, that's possible. But we have a whole day and now we're content-heavy.
This is where he will shine if town.
If I wasn't scumreading him moderately confidently now, I'd back off and let him do his process for a couple days like my original plan was.
But as of now he's my top scum read all alone and that's just not something to walk away from for no reason. Now I need a stronger scum read or for him to look townie to me.
Why are you not voting for him?
Wowee, what a guy. facetious statement geez Barto, get on my lvl.
https://i.imgur.com/kTkIWP5.gif
Oh that's where you're mistaken.
He might be a little shaken right now, and overwhelmed, that's possible. But we have a whole day and now we're content-heavy.
This is where he will shine if town.
If I wasn't scumreading him moderately confidently now, I'd back off and let him do his process for a couple days like my original plan was.
But as of now he's my top scum read all alone and that's just not something to walk away from for no reason. Now I need a stronger scum read or for him to look townie to me.
This.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 02:59
That's why you keep this poker face of yours.
I've laid out every thought I've had so far, without going into mega-details.
No poker face from me. The difficulty in reading me as scum is that I can mimic that behavior well. It just happens to be genuine here.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 03:01
It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.
This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.
It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.
This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.
Good night Pizza! I promise I won't vote you while you're sleeping, probably...
El Barto
06-22-2017, 03:05
Askthepizzaguy: look for the proposed Jowy-crimson_snow link when you return to this forum.
It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.
This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.Good night Pizza! I promise I won't vote you while you're sleeping, probably...
He's only pretending to sleep.
It's 4am and I did my process. I'll come back for more but this is a casual game and I go too hard when I town these days.
This is me cutting myself off. Good night, all.
5am here.. So sleepy! I'm watching commercials. Occasionally they're interrupted by the NHL awards show.
My questioning is not something that has to be responded to right now. Your hunting scums and finding townies takes precedence over my one vote on you.
I realize that I'm a fire and you're bleeding nitroglycerin right now, so I'll suppress my triumphalism and grandstanding that would ordinarily take place if I thought I was convincingly lynching a townie here as a wolf.
I will just say, calmly, you continue to look bad to me.
Jsyk, telling me that you were planning on condescending but you didn't because you were worried about my feelings/reaction is just as bad as actually condescending towards me.
I kind of want to say that a wolf just...doesn't scum read the people attacking him, and town read the person saying to stop bullying him. It's so binary and level 1 and bad.
Also don't read me on tone.
I am as pure as a newborn child tone-wise and will bathe in the blood of town if I get written off due to it generally.
Town read me on process/content, fine, fine, but tone is both easy and lazy.
You are focussing too much on the end result and not enough on the process in your first 2 sentences. The reasons I scumread and townread those people have nothing to do with them attacking me specifically. As for the rest of your post, well, tone is all we really have right now, and I tend to continue using it to hunt throughout the game. Will keep in mind though that you apparently are good at it. Given how much of an unknown you appear here, however, I think I have to give you an even stronger townread for telling us that fact, as there is literally no incentive to do that and make us suspect you more.
I don't think your behavior with regards to DP really meshes. The pressure on him has been multi-faceted and constant, and he's had no time or room to do anything but respond to it. I can't actually tell if it's malicious or not, but it feels unfair, if nothing else. This is the kind of bullying that makes people look worse even as town when there is no space for them to actually be town.
He could be a wolf! I just think it's hard to tell when people treat someone like this.
This is what he did to me in the game I mentioned earlier, by the way. This kinda sidelong push, the whole "I'm just pressuring" angle, and then in the end, claiming that I didn't improve and following me down. I might reread that game later actually, to confirm.
ATPG is scum until he is lynched and flips town imo.
Solid strat.
That's why when he has time, he needs to post those reads.
How to read dp101 at this point is to allow him to do his town-finding process and wolf-finding process.
I'm not going to delay my reactions in real time, but he should be the one prioritizing the town-finding on his end, and so forth. It's a choice not to do the reads you say you'll do in a minute.
I still remember the time you complained bitterly that I didn't answer one of your questions instantly, think it was in my first game here, so I was just trying to appease you. Apparently though you now prefer me ignoring you though?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 03:18
@Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872): look for the proposed Jowy-crimson_snow link when you return to this forum.
He's only pretending to sleep.
Gah Can't I quietly re-read the game and update my notes before I log off in peace?
The fudge you mentioning me for.
Also, don't know me so well. It's remarkably accurate of you.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 03:20
This is what he did to me in the game I mentioned earlier, by the way. This kinda sidelong push, the whole "I'm just pressuring" angle, and then in the end, claiming that I didn't improve and following me down. I might reread that game later actually, to confirm.
How bout you focus on this one. That'd be good.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 03:21
I still remember the time you complained bitterly that I didn't answer one of your questions instantly, think it was in my first game here, so I was just trying to appease you. Apparently though you now prefer me ignoring you though?
Yeah absolutely if I'm wrong you need to put me down as wrong and townie and go find the scums or make a bigger town than just you and me in it.
Something solid and productive, less stalling.
El Barto
06-22-2017, 03:22
Gah Can't I quietly re-read the game and update my notes before I log off in peace?
The fudge you mentioning me for.
Also, don't know me so well. It's remarkably accurate of you.
First log off, then re-read the game.
Yeah absolutely if I'm wrong you need to put me down as wrong and townie and go find the scums or make a bigger town than just you and me in it.
Something solid and productive, less stalling.
Your being wrong about something proves you a townie? This is most perplexing.
Reread is occuring. I think Novice is slightly towny, but only slightly, and I already know he's capable of that kind of thing. Manasi seems more forced than normal, and the early comment about the difference between neutral and third-party makes me think some kinda anti-town third party role. I am terrible at reading spamposters however, which is why you won't see a Champ read in here. Logic was decent once he stopped spamming, but could do with more posts. Winston objectively towny with his jokey attitude, doesn't feel forced at all. Monty is Monty, I really don't know how to read him, at all. Maybe slight town for doing the same kinda snap read on me that he does every game (or at least, it felt like a snap read last time)? But he does that as scum as well, I dunno. Everyone else needs to post more.
Well, this tally doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for the rest of the game.
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Tally as of post 318:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Dp101 (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751788#post2053751788), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751797#post2053751797), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751865#post2053751865))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751579#post2053751579))
1 votes: Champ (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751584#post2053751584))
1 votes: No Lynch (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751586#post2053751586))
1 votes: Novice (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751651#post2053751651))
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751653#post2053751653))
1 votes: Autolycus (Jowy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751654#post2053751654))
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751655#post2053751655))
1 votes: El Barto (crimson_snow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751843#post2053751843))
1 votes: Csargo (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751867#post2053751867))
Voting history:
Manasi
Champ
No Lynch
Fredwood
Dp101
No Lynch
Askthepizzaguy
crimson_snow
Askthepizzaguy
Novice
Novice
Winston Hughes
Autolycus
Sooh
Manasi
El barto
ATPG
Dp101
dp101
Cuthillius
El Barto
Dp101
Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 03:47
Reread is occuring. I think Novice is slightly towny, but only slightly, and I already know he's capable of that kind of thing. Manasi seems more forced than normal, and the early comment about the difference between neutral and third-party makes me think some kinda anti-town third party role. I am terrible at reading spamposters however, which is why you won't see a Champ read in here. Logic was decent once he stopped spamming, but could do with more posts. Winston objectively towny with his jokey attitude, doesn't feel forced at all. Monty is Monty, I really don't know how to read him, at all. Maybe slight town for doing the same kinda snap read on me that he does every game (or at least, it felt like a snap read last time)? But he does that as scum as well, I dunno. Everyone else needs to post more.
Noting that there is a new note noted in my notes.
Noting that there is a new note noted in my notes.
Well that's ominous, and certainly not boosting my confidence that you are town. Also, go to bed.
ATPG delirious, man how beautiful. This can only become more glorious.
Anyone around? Thoughts on the game so far/ the arguments against me?
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:21
General game-related question to all:
Can you find two townies besides yourself yet, and who are they, if you want to share it?
Manasi and Champ as of this post
with a big disclaimer that those are both pretty thin
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:25
DP town.
vote:monty for this and followup
was not super fond, felt like took advantage of longish dp post, not hugely natural feeling
/shrug
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:28
And since I don't have any strong scum leans, I'm going to vote the Miller claimant. Every time.
you
you do realize 7% is squarely below rand
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:38
csargo, pizza, jowy all town
cs excellent tone, reads i agree with, feels right during discussion with atpg
pizza fairly similar, agree with csargo that i disagree with pizza on barto
jowy a nice free-flowing game BUT going in the right directions, has a mildly cocksure aura to him that i like
csargo, pizza, jowy all town
cs excellent tone, reads i agree with, feels right during discussion with atpg
pizza fairly similar, agree with csargo that i disagree with pizza on barto
jowy a nice free-flowing game BUT going in the right directions, has a mildly cocksure aura to him that i like
Let me guess, you scumread me too?
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:44
HOWEVER
i also kinda think dp is town
i think he's being pushed for bad reasons, and i like his responses
he's reacting in a towny way, exactly like i'd expect, i think he'd be a bit more deflecting contrasted with some aggressive posts
here it just feels pretty natural
with that in mind i'm not putting aside the option of something like pizza scum ?maybe csargo? in there and possibly another person i townread
as of right now again i do like all of the listed
would most like to lynch monty, curious what you people, including dp, have to say about him
struggling a little to find wolves as of right now which is why i'm sideeying my townreads
but eh we'll see
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:45
Let me guess, you scumread me too?
no, but i'm fairly confident i saw the same things they saw that led up to the point where you were being scumread
HOWEVER
i also kinda think dp is town
i think he's being pushed for bad reasons, and i like his responses
he's reacting in a towny way, exactly like i'd expect, i think he'd be a bit more deflecting contrasted with some aggressive posts
here it just feels pretty natural
with that in mind i'm not putting aside the option of something like pizza scum ?maybe csargo? in there and possibly another person i townread
as of right now again i do like all of the listed
would most like to lynch monty, curious what you people, including dp, have to say about him
struggling a little to find wolves as of right now which is why i'm sideeying my townreads
but eh we'll see
Monty really needs to post more before I can get a good read on him. How does one even read him?
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 05:49
Cuth, what are your thoughts on El Barto in more detail?
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 05:50
Also, I'd probably not call me cs, if that's what you were referring to. That's mildly confusing with a Csargo in the game.
HOWEVER
i also kinda think dp is town
i think he's being pushed for bad reasons, and i like his responses
he's reacting in a towny way, exactly like i'd expect, i think he'd be a bit more deflecting contrasted with some aggressive posts
here it just feels pretty natural
with that in mind i'm not putting aside the option of something like pizza scum ?maybe csargo? in there and possibly another person i townread
as of right now again i do like all of the listed
would most like to lynch monty, curious what you people, including dp, have to say about him
struggling a little to find wolves as of right now which is why i'm sideeying my townreads
but eh we'll see
Monty is entirely nonexistent this game so far, so I'd say that's scummy for him. Decent lynch, I wouldn't be sad to see him go, but still think Dp is a better candidate though.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:53
Cuth, what are your thoughts on El Barto in more detail?
since i said that pivoted a little
i don't know exactly how to feel about him
i'm not a HUGE fan of the dp vote from him, buut at the same time it's gutsy as scum
i have no real idea how to read him in general though
so imo wait until some people around interactions with him flip
or something
and i was actually talking about csargo, not you
sorry
Also, I'd probably not call me cs, if that's what you were referring to. That's mildly confusing with a Csargo in the game.
Aww, I thought he thought I had excellent tone. Now I know the truth. :bigcry:
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 05:55
Monty is entirely nonexistent this game so far, so I'd say that's scummy for him. Decent lynch, I wouldn't be sad to see him go, but still think Dp is a better candidate though.
talk to me about dp's posts during and since the interaction with pizza
i'm not seeing what you're seeing, evidently
talk to me about dp's posts during and since the interaction with pizza
i'm not seeing what you're seeing, evidently
He's been better since like partway through the interaction with pizza, but a lot of his earlier posts pinged me as scummy. The spam argument, question to me, early back and forth with Pizza were all questionable. Think the latter part of his iso is better, but that doesn't make me want to move my vote. I wouldn't put Monty, C_S, or anyone else are more scummy than Dp101 at this point in the game. Could be that I'm just wrong though, wouldn't be the first time. The feeling in my gut is strong Cuth, real strong.
He's been better since like partway through the interaction with pizza, but a lot of his earlier posts pinged me as scummy. The spam argument, question to me, early back and forth with Pizza were all questionable. Think the latter part of his iso is better, but that doesn't make me want to move my vote. I wouldn't put Monty, C_S, or anyone else as more scummy than Dp101 at this point in the game. Could be that I'm just wrong though, wouldn't be the first time. The feeling in my gut is strong Cuth, real strong.
I can't grammar
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 06:25
He's been better since like partway through the interaction with pizza, but a lot of his earlier posts pinged me as scummy. The spam argument, question to me, early back and forth with Pizza were all questionable. Think the latter part of his iso is better, but that doesn't make me want to move my vote. I wouldn't put Monty, C_S, or anyone else are more scummy than Dp101 at this point in the game. Could be that I'm just wrong though, wouldn't be the first time. The feeling in my gut is strong Cuth, real strong.
i agree with the first bit
but i do feel like i'd rather leave him until tomorrow unless something changes
i agree with the first bit
but i do feel like i'd rather leave him until tomorrow unless something changes
Give me someone scummier, and I'll be more than happy to switch. No one pings me quite as hard itt, but Dp has been better, so maybe that trend will continue. I just don't see anyone who comes close to Dp101 so far. That could change in the morning.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 06:43
Give me someone scummier, and I'll be more than happy to switch. No one pings me quite as hard itt, but Dp has been better, so maybe that trend will continue. I just don't see anyone who comes close to Dp101 so far. That could change in the morning.
seems like kinda a strong reaction for d1 and what we've seen
i personally am not at all fond of monty's calling dp town and then making a joke instead of giving reasons
it seems a bit easy
a bit forced
This is how far the multiquoting limit let me go for this post. Halfway through the thread I think.
Logic town and not grasping the subtleties of the force.
I think I agree.
If anyone tries to lynch you or Champ this game, wipe them out. All of them.
"You" here is Jowy, right? Oh, reading on, it's referring to Logic. Meh. I think Jowy is townier tbh.
He barged in here without reading everything, some things but obviously not everything, and began posting.
Oh, interesting that you did have an actual reason for that read. I was wondering what it could be.
He's also active and engaged, for him, by comparison to the previous game on here.
Maybe, but he promised in the signup thread that he would do better. Actually he'd probably be more inclined to follow up on that promise as scum than as town.
Btw I'm liking the play from csargo and crimson. Ya'll can join my town core.
Not impressed by Csargo, see below, but I really like Crimson's style.
This is finals week for me, I don't have much energy. I'll go and reread the thread and post something more conclusive in a minute. If you were looking for more opinions from me though, here's one: you are town.
Not being able to produce any reads except townreading your accuser is a red flag.
After following Dp's day 1 mafia play in the championship game I've lost some faith in my ability to tone read him. I'd like to think he should be an easy read eventually though.
He's (Pizza) basically always like this, as both alignments, fwiw.
I disagree. He changes up his style and tends to be very active, but he doesn't play the helpful townie much. PIS?
I thought I had a quote on Csargo saying Dp101 was the strongest scum read by far so far, to which my kneejerk reaction was "no way". Although after gathering my thoughts so far, it's not such an outrageous statement.
I'll continue catching up in a bit, need to get some work done also.
Okay I read the rest of the thread. I kind of agree that Dp wasn't given much room to breathe there and Crimson pretty much nailed it with his "he could be scum, but it's hard to tell" comment.
To answer Pizza's question from earlier my current top town reads are Crimson and Jowy. Jowy has his normal cocksure persona, as Cuth called it (I think "independent thinker" is a better way to put it), and Crimson just reads townie both in tone and process, really. When someone towns so effortlessly as him you put him in your town list and worry about him being an excellent scum player later.
Notes to self:
Cuth's angle on Monty seems interesting, I should reread that.
Also reread Champ's entrance to the thread to see if Pizza's read makes sense.
Fredwood
06-22-2017, 11:47
So in a game with Self-meta analysis, meta analysis, and analysis of one's self meta. I'm just kind of trying to muddle through the white noise. It's probably very useful to those here.
That being said a couple of things did stand out.
Oh, I forgot about something critical. Vote: Csargo. It really looks like you are trying to powerwolf from my perspective, and while I may end up voting a townie who just wants to try hard, hit a scum, soar high, and then get shot down by scum, I feel like this kind of early aggressive pushing is more commonly seen from scum on this forum.
In a vacuum that I currently find myself in this has been the scummiest single post I've seen so far. I know it was addressed later as DP trying to say that he was trying to prove that he was thinking about it and was pre-thinking of arguments and counter points, which I still think is a bad explanation for the post. If he just stopped with the discussion about him being a powerwolf, and the forum meta read, I would have been fine. Maybe attributing to what I think when I'm scum is unfair, but pre planning answers to arguments is not something I tend to do if my intentions are good. Also a pre-emptive NK analysis seems suspect too.
In the end it did feel like DP put a lot of thought into this post, but more thought then was necessary.
Here's something to break up the post and to separate the thoughts.
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-09/11/16/enhanced/webdr10/anigif_enhanced-25055-1410468754-2.gif
The second thing that stands out to me is Barto's pressure of me and subsequent ignorance of it, even after I addressed it in a non-commital, half confrontational way. Early pressure and votes seem to be a rather important part of the meta here. So I kind of have a question that i hope doesn't get lost in this wall of text that's forming. With new players, how likely is a null read lynch likely to happen? Is it kind of a courtesy policy to not lynch a new player in that situation?
If the answer is yes to this question, would a town not reroll for pressure? Further if Bart is scum, it's an easy vote to place knowing it won't get much traction and likely little information, but still appears like he's participating by deliberately picking a weak vote on a not likely to be lynched target.
If he kept pressuring me after my response I'd feel better about this interaction. Playing the helpful townie explaining how the pressure works here, asking if I'm just not going to respond to pressure, are just two options I would have liked to have seen among many. There's a precedent for players not responding to early pressure that has already been stated in thread, but with no meta to read on me there's no way he'd know this. Instead of pushing more, he ignores the interaction entirely then votes for low hanging fruit with some built-in cover. (The Cover being CSARGO and ASTPG who I have slight town reads for different reasons...ASTPG mainly for his insistence that he was going to bed and then not actually going to bed and still posting in thread).
SOOOOOOO
Vote: El Barto
With Bart voting for him, I think DP is likely telling the truth about being unable to participate and just made a bad post (from my perspective), and Barto is trying to cash in on the opportunity to get in some low information participation votes early.
So I kind of have a question that i hope doesn't get lost in this wall of text that's forming. With new players, how likely is a null read lynch likely to happen? Is it kind of a courtesy policy to not lynch a new player in that situation?
If the answer is yes to this question, would a town not reroll for pressure?
I'm not that at home on this forum, but I would venture that the answer is "sort of". It's like on most forums I guess, in that people try to give the new guy a chance, but when it comes down to it they end up as the default lynch anyway. That's how it is on RealmsBeyond at least, where I've played most of my games.
i personally am not at all fond of monty's calling dp town and then making a joke instead of giving reasons
it seems a bit easy
a bit forced
Fact checking, that's not what he did, though?
DP town.
Why? Just tone?
It's all we got, babe.
He gives a reason, namely tone - which is all we've got at this point, according to him. Where's the joke?
Pizza's read on Champ checks out. Champ did start posting immediately and then commented on the night posting rule afterwards.
Henlo xcom
you stinky humans
go get flanked, ugly
posting at night 19707
I'm going to Vote: Cuthilius for that misrepresentation of Monty, for lack of better ideas.
This is how far the multiquoting limit let me go for this post. Halfway through the thread I think.
I think I agree.
"You" here is Jowy, right? Oh, reading on, it's referring to Logic. Meh. I think Jowy is townier tbh.
Oh, interesting that you did have an actual reason for that read. I was wondering what it could be.
Maybe, but he promised in the signup thread that he would do better. Actually he'd probably be more inclined to follow up on that promise as scum than as town.
Not impressed by Csargo, see below, but I really like Crimson's style.
Not being able to produce any reads except townreading your accuser is a red flag.
After following Dp's day 1 mafia play in the championship game I've lost some faith in my ability to tone read him. I'd like to think he should be an easy read eventually though.
I disagree. He changes up his style and tends to be very active, but he doesn't play the helpful townie much. PIS?
I thought I had a quote on Csargo saying Dp101 was the strongest scum read by far so far, to which my kneejerk reaction was "no way". Although after gathering my thoughts so far, it's not such an outrageous statement.
I'll continue catching up in a bit, need to get some work done also.
https://i.imgur.com/tJfxytj.gif
Fredwood
06-22-2017, 13:59
I'm not that at home on this forum, but I would venture that the answer is "sort of". It's like on most forums I guess, in that people try to give the new guy a chance, but when it comes down to it they end up as the default lynch anyway. That's how it is on RealmsBeyond at least, where I've played most of my games.
So as the basis for my read, does him rolling a random new guy for pressure give you any useful information? Do you think the answer is enough for me to reassess my read?
As for Cuth: I'm a stickler for misrepresentation usually but Cut's post didn't ping me as misrepresentation when I read it. I'll grant that I didn't look back at Monty and DP's interaction though.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 14:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx1VtDAsVbI
Sup.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 14:16
Ok after sleep and a quick re-read of the whole game, these are my contrarian thoughts.
What is so towny about Jowy? Help me out here. I'm not seeing it. Lot of people saying Jowy is townie but I didn't see anything alignment indicative to me. So someone knows something about Jowy that I don't. Sell me if you're selling.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 14:18
My feeling about csargo was that I liked his methods and style and risk-taking this game, but I cannot say he's especially towny.
In fact, if dp101 is town especially, I feel like csargo could be taking advantage of my friendly posture towards him in recent games, knowing that I am a csargo fan and want to see him town well.
At least, that's the unspoken vibe I'm getting.
I don't have a specifically scum read on him, no case, I just feel a bit taken for a ride, as a good possibility.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 14:21
Feel better about Cuth but no strong lean yet. He's not out of any zone.
Monty, no bet. His process and reads across games seem ass-backwards to me, and he's not revealing a lot about himself this game.
So, he'll always be tough to read. But I don't have a scum lean there.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 14:22
Not comfortable with Novice, not comfortable with Fredwood. Will re-read both.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 14:24
Not going to get on Winston's case yet or Sooh's or Auto's or BSmith's for not posting much yet.
This game and this site too casual to press on that kind of thing, so enjoy your free round. I want to see a process I can understand, and 4 townies and a scum lean by midday D2 from each of you. 2 townies a day is not hard to find.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 14:25
individual isos now. Free talk whenever I'm done, leave questions for me. No one's here anyway.
My feeling about csargo was that I liked his methods and style and risk-taking this game, but I cannot say he's especially towny.
In fact, if dp101 is town especially, I feel like csargo could be taking advantage of my friendly posture towards him in recent games, knowing that I am a csargo fan and want to see him town well.
At least, that's the unspoken vibe I'm getting.
I don't have a specifically scum read on him, no case, I just feel a bit taken for a ride, as a good possibility.
I genuinely think Dp is scum, so I make no apologies for pushing/voting him. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I don't think I am. I also hate the theories pushed by C_S/novice just fyi. This is D1, and the pressure Dp has been under is moderate, but not terribly severe I don't think. Not enough to make a townie post poorly imo, so those arguments make me sad.
Enjoy the paranoia about me though, that's always nice. Gearing up to lynch me tomorrow, or maybe today ATPG? I won't go gently into that good night, so just be warned. Do you see any parallels between this game and the Pokemon one ATPG from me? I don't understand why you're trying to throw shade on me right now, considering in this game, you've got the most experience playing with me. I just find it terribly odd. If you come after me though, at least it'll be fun.
I hope you enjoy the ride ATPG :)
https://i.imgur.com/zF4gpzc.gif
Ok after sleep and a quick re-read of the whole game, these are my contrarian thoughts.
What is so towny about Jowy? Help me out here. I'm not seeing it. Lot of people saying Jowy is townie but I didn't see anything alignment indicative to me. So someone knows something about Jowy that I don't. Sell me if you're selling.
I think I actually agree with this statement. I only gave him a single town point for keeping to his meta, which really doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, and I would like to see more from him at this stage.
Tally as of post 360:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Dp101 (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751788#post2053751788), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751797#post2053751797), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751865#post2053751865))
2 votes: El Barto (crimson_snow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751843#post2053751843), Fredwood (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751947#post2053751947))
1 votes: Autolycus (Jowy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751654#post2053751654))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751579#post2053751579))
1 votes: Novice (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751651#post2053751651))
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751653#post2053751653))
1 votes: Champ (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751584#post2053751584))
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751655#post2053751655))
1 votes: No Lynch (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751586#post2053751586))
1 votes: Csargo (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751867#post2053751867))
1 votes: monty (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751925#post2053751925))
1 votes: Cuthilius (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751954#post2053751954))
Voting history:
Manasi
Champ
No Lynch
Fredwood
Dp101
No Lynch
Askthepizzaguy
crimson_snow
Askthepizzaguy
Novice
Novice
Winston Hughes
Autolycus
Sooh
Manasi
El barto
ATPG
Dp101
dp101
Cuthillius
El Barto
Dp101
Csargo
monty
El Barto
Cuthilius
I genuinely think Dp is scum, so I make no apologies for pushing/voting him. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I don't think I am. I also hate the theories pushed by C_S/novice just fyi. This is D1, and the pressure Dp has been under is moderate, but not terribly severe I don't think. Not enough to make a townie post poorly imo, so those arguments make me sad.
Enjoy the paranoia about me though, that's always nice. Gearing up to lynch me tomorrow, or maybe today ATPG? I won't go gently into that good night, so just be warned. Do you see any parallels between this game and the Pokemon one ATPG from me? I don't understand why you're trying to throw shade on me right now, considering in this game, you've got the most experience playing with me. I just find it terribly odd. If you come after me though, at least it'll be fun.
I hope you enjoy the ride ATPG :)
https://i.imgur.com/zF4gpzc.gif
The second paragraph here feels very scummy to me, but I also can't explain why. I just can't come up with a single reason for scum to ever actually post it, in this situation, but the tone of it is horrible regardless.
Sorry for quotewalls, on mobile.
Not comfortable with Novice, not comfortable with Fredwood. Will re-read both.
Fredwood I understand, but why Novice?
The second paragraph here feels very scummy to me, but I also can't explain why. I just can't come up with a single reason for scum to ever actually post it, in this situation, but the tone of it is horrible regardless.
I continue to be your biggest fan.
I continue to be your biggest fan.
Thx bby
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 15:37
Not done with isos but this is important for me to get out sooner rather than later
@Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100589)
I have you as a solid town lean, but here is my one complaint with your iso. Your footprint is very small, focused on one person for very straightforward reasons, and you mentioned you're willing to vote the no lynchers (at the time).
I want to lock you townie. I need more from you because the footprint is too small. Give me as many reads on the individual players and game state as possible. I think I can put you away as lock town on day one if you do, but I'd need to see it first.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 15:39
most important is why you feel that way. I may / may not care about or agree with the leans themselves.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 16:48
I genuinely think Dp is scum, so I make no apologies for pushing/voting him. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but I don't think I am. I also hate the theories pushed by C_S/novice just fyi. This is D1, and the pressure Dp has been under is moderate, but not terribly severe I don't think. Not enough to make a townie post poorly imo, so those arguments make me sad.
Enjoy the paranoia about me though, that's always nice. Gearing up to lynch me tomorrow, or maybe today ATPG? I won't go gently into that good night, so just be warned. Do you see any parallels between this game and the Pokemon one ATPG from me? I don't understand why you're trying to throw shade on me right now, considering in this game, you've got the most experience playing with me. I just find it terribly odd. If you come after me though, at least it'll be fun.
I hope you enjoy the ride ATPG :)
Almost done with all isos, wanted to respond to this.
No, I don't think I'm considering you for a lynch until near final-whatever. Looking over your iso, I saw much townie-ness that I wasn't feeling in real time because I was focusing my attention elsewhere, and then felt sudden paranoia about you being a power wolf.
The iso is really solid though. Maybe your best town game I've seen in ages.
One thing though, I have a lot of experience playing with you, but I've never been comfortable reading your alignment confidently because you were, for most of those games, a 1 or few post a round player and your footprint is small and your thoughts are focused on few people at a time. You also don't rustle or really react to pressure, so I have no idea how to forcibly read you without your cooperation in most games.
I need a long vote history from you and a chance to "read the room" and see others' attitudes toward you to read you.
Here, after just your d1 iso, I feel confident again. And I don't think I've ever felt that way before. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIOW0Q-YbRg)
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:06
Not moving my vote on dp. That said it's mercy rule time- I've said what I feel and why and will lynch him today if nothing better. I will talk to him as if I'm considering both universes, but I won't push him with words, just my vote. I also didn't re-iso him because what little he posted since I logged off last wasn't enough to town read him.
In any case, this is the new list, after re-read of whole game, plus isos on everyone.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:08
Sorted leans with changes.
--------------------Lock
Askthepizzaguy
--------------------Town
Logic near lock
crimson_snow 85
Csargo- best iso 80 <----moved way up
Cuthillius- 75 <----moved up
--------------------Townish
El Barto- 55 <----moved up
Manasi- 50
--------------------Maybe not scum
Montmorency- neutral
Champ- not wolfy (read of town is thinner compared to better info/stronger reads.)
--------------------Null range
Winston Hughes- null
Sooh- null
autolycus- null
BSmith- null
--------------------Bit wolfy
novice- mixed, bit wolfy. <---down
Fredwood- not great <---down
--------------------Wolfy
Jowy <---down
Dp101 <---no improvement
--------------------Must die
Not that confident yet
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:15
Tally as of post 360:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Dp101 (Csargo, Askthepizzaguy, El Barto)
2 votes: El Barto (crimson_snow, Fredwood)
1 votes: Autolycus (Jowy)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Novice (autolycus)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (Manasi)
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith)
1 votes: No Lynch (Montmorency)
1 votes: Csargo (Dp101)
1 votes: monty (Cuthillius)
1 votes: Cuthilius (novice)
Voting history:
Votes I think should change:
The votes on El barto, the vote on Autolycus, the vote on Csargo, the vote on Cuth.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:26
Csargo- only the posts with content that gave me any reaction.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751605&viewfull=1#post2053751605
mindmeld.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751673&viewfull=1#post2053751673
this is fine.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751779&viewfull=1#post2053751779
good question.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751788&viewfull=1#post2053751788
like the snap vote.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751790&viewfull=1#post2053751790
feels good.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751811&viewfull=1#post2053751811
fine
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751842&viewfull=1#post2053751842
no csar-dp team.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751860&viewfull=1#post2053751860
like this post
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751899&viewfull=1#post2053751899
fine
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751903&viewfull=1#post2053751903
fine
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751934&viewfull=1#post2053751934
fair
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751967&viewfull=1#post2053751967
love this post. townie.
Conclusion: Feels good, man.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:27
Manasi- only the posts that gave me feels.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751601&viewfull=1#post2053751601
mindmeld townpoints.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751657&viewfull=1#post2053751657
like this post.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751659&viewfull=1#post2053751659
this is fine, maybe handing out too much town cred too soon.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751661&viewfull=1#post2053751661
this read is fine at the time, but will probably change. nai.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751665&viewfull=1#post2053751665
I believe it.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751732&viewfull=1#post2053751732
I dont' agree with jowy town read yet.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751733&viewfull=1#post2053751733
no dp-manasi team.
Conclusion: feels town, but not a lock.
So as the basis for my read, does him rolling a random new guy for pressure give you any useful information? Do you think the answer is enough for me to reassess my read?
Let's see: I didn't think you had much of a point because I thought you were just referring to a random opening vote, but he does indeed follow up with specifically asking you to respond to the vote, which you then brush off.
Oh, I do love Eddie Izzard.
I hope you have noticed that I am voting for you to be hanged from the neck until you die.
Cake please.
Seems like a you problem not a me problem. I guess I could beg but if I get lynched day 1 in my first game, then I get lynched day 1 in my first game. The Random gods must be sated.
hahahhahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahha
Enough is enough.
I would have voted crimson_snow first as a matter of policy, but you do not get to do this and live.
vote: Dp101
So I'd say El Barto's later switch to Dp without further comment warrants an explanation from El Barto, yes. Enough for a vote? Sure, on day 1.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:29
El barto- going from scum to town lean
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751588#post2053751588
iffy opening.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751597#post2053751597
cagey
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751731#post2053751731
I have mixed feelings about this post.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751773#post2053751773
Quasi-bookmark? Not sure about that. NAI.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751827#post2053751827
meh.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751833#post2053751833
bleh.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751838#post2053751838
mixed.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751840#post2053751840
lvl 1
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751865#post2053751865
I like some of his conclusions, not others. And the process feels ok. Like his feelings about Jowy. Feels still level 1 but not all bad.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751895#post2053751895
like this push
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751907#post2053751907
townish.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751917#post2053751917
confusing as ever but fine.Conclusion: Mixed feelings, but I feel a lot better about his town possibilities.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:30
Logic
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751653#post2053751653
fine.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751656#post2053751656
fine.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751656#post2053751656
Level 1 townie post. not grasping subtlety of Winston's post, kinda sloppy but townie process.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751743#post2053751743
this is townish
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751744#post2053751744
level 1 townie
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751756#post2053751756
obviously.Conclusion: Feels pretty townie. His thought process is very straightforward. Sadly, he's not spreading out very much. That's my only complaint. I could probably lock him up as town with more investment from him.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:31
Cuthillius- the townie
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751613#post2053751613
null
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751924#post2053751924
this is fine, maybe townie for mindmeld reasons, but weak.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751925#post2053751925
I am fine with this vote on monty.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751926#post2053751926
this is fine.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751927#post2053751927
This is fine for alignment and I like that he's building a town, just not sure he didn't let scums into it.
"csargo, pizza, jowy all town
cs excellent tone, reads i agree with, feels right during discussion with atpg
pizza fairly similar, agree with csargo that i disagree with pizza on barto
jowy a nice free-flowing game BUT going in the right directions, has a mildly cocksure aura to him that i like "
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751929#post2053751929
I like this post a lot. And his immediate walkback of the csargo town lean. Feels un-narrative driven thought process. good process in general.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751930#post2053751930
Nice.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751935#post2053751935
this is great, think Cuth is town.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751937#post2053751937
good pcess
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751940#post2053751940
this is fine
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751942#post2053751942
also fine.Conclusion: Think Cuth is playing it town, no scum vibe at all.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:32
Champ- not shining as bright as my other stars, but not wolfy yet
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751577#post2053751577
I like his opening and enthusiasm, maybe it's not as alignment indicative as I thought.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751578#post2053751578
Indicates he read the opening posts a little
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751579#post2053751579
But not very closely.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751581#post2053751581
null
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751582#post2053751582
null
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751592#post2053751592
null
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751648#post2053751648
null
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751688#post2053751688
nai, says csargo is town.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751691#post2053751691
pockety.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751766#post2053751766
null
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751772#post2053751772
nullConclusion: Town read on him is a lot more null at this point.
What is so towny about Jowy? Help me out here. I'm not seeing it. Lot of people saying Jowy is townie but I didn't see anything alignment indicative to me.
For me it's that he's interacting intelligently with the thread. Maybe it shouldn't be alignment indicative, but it's giving me warm fuzzy feelings.
What's so scummy about Jowy?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:35
I have no problem telling people why I think X and Y are townies, and pushing my suspect, but that's as much of my notes and isos as I feel comfortable revealing this early.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:37
For me it's that he's interacting intelligently with the thread. Maybe it shouldn't be alignment indicative, but it's giving me warm fuzzy feelings.
What's so scummy about Jowy?
He has a wolfy agenda and a small footprint. His process is also badly conflicting with his actual pushes.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:40
Do an iso on jowy and tell me your opinions, anyone. Do you see what I saw or what townie-ness do you see? Point me at it. I've asked this before.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 17:47
Monty reads not necessarily scummy but not townie either. 3p/Sk selfish non-neutral.
Some ISO'ing of my own then. Jowy just seems to the point, although I see now that he pocketed me nicely with his first few posts.
To the point:
Claiming Miller in your first post is the right way to handle that.
Though it could still be an inside joke, I wouldn't know.
Pocketing me by voting my voter:
Vote: Autolycus
Coz the vote sounds so forced even as a joke
Pocketing:
Novice looking towny too though his skills to appear as such should not be underestimated. I like the questioning nevertheless.
To the point:
Hey DP any reason why you didn't join the wagon if you're annoyed by the lack of content in the game?
To the point:
Are you reading him as town? I don't see what's the issue if you aren't.
Mindmeld:
I'm doing it anyway. (Townreading Crimson) Might be a bit level 1 if you are idd a good wolf, but it's unavoidable when most faces are new to me.
To the point:
Scum-DP is a slacker. Lots of excuses in the thread for not playing the game, meanwhile he's chatting away in the scum nest ^^
These next two post are exactly what I would have been thinking and doing at that point if I has been awake. Well, except I wouldn't have picked Autolycus as an alternative.
If we're done bullying poor Dp101 we could move some votes on Auto to surprise him when he comes back!
The Barto wagon could be juicy as well. You have my spiritual support on that.
It's fair, you were stonewalling us pretty badly. Looking a bit better now that we're getting something out of you, tho don't disappear even if your wagon does.
To the point:
Alright that's a bad move. When you start your wagon with an excuse for when the target flips villa, it probably won't be taking off any time soon. Oh and it's suspicious.
He has a wolfy agenda and a small footprint. His process is also badly conflicting with his actual pushes.
I see what you mean about his small footprint, but it's not like he's been spamming on a single topic, the entire thread had a pretty small footprint last night. Do elaborate on the other points.
This is one of the fastest org games I've ever played sos.
Anything worth catching up on? I skimmed through ATPG isos.
Votes I think should change:
The votes on El barto, the vote on Autolycus, the vote on Csargo, the vote on Cuth.
I'll probably move my vote after Cuth addresses it.
I like this post by Cuth, the rest seem well within his scum range.
HOWEVER
i also kinda think dp is town
i think he's being pushed for bad reasons, and i like his responses
he's reacting in a towny way, exactly like i'd expect, i think he'd be a bit more deflecting contrasted with some aggressive posts
here it just feels pretty natural
with that in mind i'm not putting aside the option of something like pizza scum ?maybe csargo? in there and possibly another person i townread
as of right now again i do like all of the listed
would most like to lynch monty, curious what you people, including dp, have to say about him
struggling a little to find wolves as of right now which is why i'm sideeying my townreads
but eh we'll see
This is one of the fastest org games I've ever played sos.
Anything worth catching up on? I skimmed through ATPG isos.
Maybe looking at Csargo and how he's been weirdly aggressive in his pushing of me?
Official Tally as of #389
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Day 1 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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3 Dp101 (Csargo, Askthepizzaguy, El Barto)
2 El Barto (crimson_snow, Fredwood)
1 Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency)
1 autolycus (Jowy)
1 Champ (Manasi)
1 Csargo (Dp101)
1 Cuthillius (novice)
1 Manasi (Champ)
1 Montmorency (Cuth) [edit: fixed]
1 novice (autolycus)
1 Sooh (BSmith)
1 Winston Hughes (Logic)
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Not Voting: Sooh and Winston Hughes -- reminder to vote before eod
Not Posting: (everyone has posted :2thumbsup:)
----
If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 18:16
I see what you mean about his small footprint, but it's not like he's been spamming on a single topic, the entire thread had a pretty small footprint last night. Do elaborate on the other points.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751825#post2053751825
meta of dp scum.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751845#post2053751845
taunty
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053751852&viewfull=1#post2053751852
Doesn't match the above 2 posts. Bit wolfy.
Let me grab them for easier visibility.
This is one of the fastest org games I've ever played sos.
Anything worth catching up on? I skimmed through ATPG isos.
tl;Dr Manasi
Dp101 is scum, you're welcome.
Maybe looking at Csargo and how he's been weirdly aggressive in his pushing of me?
ngl I'm kinda into it.
This is one of the fastest org games I've ever played sos.
Anything worth catching up on? I skimmed through ATPG isos.
What is this you're 3rd? Join me at the top.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 18:19
Scum-DP is a slacker. Lots of excuses in the thread for not playing the game, meanwhile he's chatting away in the scum nest ^^
Feeling the heat? :)
If we're done bullying poor Dp101 we could move some votes on Auto to surprise him when he comes back!
The Barto wagon could be juicy as well. You have my spiritual support on that.
This is not the only place in Jowy's iso where he says one thing but does another.
The other big issue I have is he's asking Auto a ton of questions, after being told that Auto won't respond to pressure, then encourages people to pile up on him without waiting for answers.
That means he's got an agenda, and his process is for show, not something he's doing to solve the game from a zero info standpoint.
His process does not match his behavior, therefore, he's scum.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 18:21
Now, beyond his superficial acting ability, I want to know where all the town reads on him came from.
Some people have better meta and experience with Jowy than me, which is all of zero.
If this read is wrong and this is how he usually is, you gotta tell me. Because he can be lynched anytime of anyday.
Maybe looking at Csargo and how he's been weirdly aggressive in his pushing of me?
I mean it doesn't help that your vote is a thinly veiled OMGUS. That's not the best tbh.
Fredwood
06-22-2017, 18:30
Any specific reason for the "not good" read? I mean Dp piled onto your vague read as well with no chance to address what's scummy.
I mean is it the reaction test, the asking a questions about the Day 1 lynch meta, my read on Bart, stating things that stood out to me? I mean, it's cool that you read me bad, but you're also not giving me a chance to say anything about what you think is bad. Or is it just vague and indefensible at this point, I mean I"m not really getting blow back on the bart thing telling me I'm wrong either, so (shrug) I guess.
I would leave Dp101 alone today and lynch somewhere else.
Barto / Logic / Champ / Montmorency out of those who have been around.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 18:37
Any specific reason for the "not good" read? I mean Dp piled onto your vague read as well with no chance to address what's scummy.
I mean is it the reaction test, the asking a questions about the Day 1 lynch meta, my read on Bart, stating things that stood out to me? I mean, it's cool that you read me bad, but you're also not giving me a chance to say anything about what you think is bad. Or is it just vague and indefensible at this point, I mean I"m not really getting blow back on the bart thing telling me I'm wrong either, so (shrug) I guess.
You don't feel townie to me.
Process is odd to me, lots of null posts and non-solving questions. Filler, to me.
I'm not planning on voting for you today, but you should focus more on finding townies and hunting scums than caring about my vague suspicions.
It's cool to care about my suspicions, but you should be doing something right now other than that / in addition to.
This is not the only place in Jowy's iso where he says one thing but does another.
The other big issue I have is he's asking Auto a ton of questions, after being told that Auto won't respond to pressure, then encourages people to pile up on him without waiting for answers.
That means he's got an agenda, and his process is for show, not something he's doing to solve the game from a zero info standpoint.
His process does not match his behavior, therefore, he's scum.
I'm suspicious of Dp101 but don't feel that the full focus on him is good for us. If he flips town, what have we really achieved today?
I asked Auto to post some reads when he comes back. That's not "a ton of questions". And like I said, I won't take your word on how someone is going to act. Pressuring people generally helps in getting something out of them. Maybe he's an anomaly like you say, but I'd rather find out myself.
Forum ate my post, so here is the shorter version:
So as the basis for my read, does him rolling a random new guy for pressure give you any useful information? Do you think the answer is enough for me to reassess my read?
As for Cuth: I'm a stickler for misrepresentation usually but Cut's post didn't ping me as misrepresentation when I read it. I'll grant that I didn't look back at Monty and DP's interaction though.
This pings to me as scummy. I can't put my finger on the "why"
Csargo's "I just wana eat" gif pings to me as scummy.
Dp101 isn't doing himself any favors, but I don't have him as near wolf as you guys do. I think his defensiveness is well within most the town range of most people
Crimson_snow was initially voting for no lynch. Pinged me later with this:
So as the basis for my read, does him rolling a random new guy for pressure give you any useful information? Do you think the answer is enough for me to reassess my read?
As for Cuth: I'm a stickler for misrepresentation usually but Cut's post didn't ping me as misrepresentation when I read it. I'll grant that I didn't look back at Monty and DP's interaction though.
On a superficial level I can see it, but that feels much more player indicative than it does alignment indicative.
Contrary to my previous post, I did read all of Champs posts in isolation and my impression of him is not...someone that would bother closely reading the rules.
I just wanted you to explain it to see if it tracked as something that could be "angly" as I think you referred to the town read being, and I can see how you could have that read as a lean even if not the absolute confidence you expressed in it.
While "contrarian" isn't exactly a wolf-tell, it is a bit anti-town.
I was considering placing a vote on the next highest wagon behind DP101, then I saw it was El Barto, being voted on by Fredwood and Crimson snow, and then immediately declined. Fredwood and Crimson Snow I think are much higher wolf candidates than Barto. Not sure who I'm voting for just yet, but I am going to Unvote: Winston Hughes while I am thinking about it.
Oh man tonal meme reads, where's GH, I need his pic.
Champ Am I doing it right?
I would leave Dp101 alone today and lynch somewhere else.
Barto / Logic / Champ / Montmorency out of those who have been around.
I don't like any of those choices. They're all at best null reads for me. Except Monty, he's slightly scummy.
Well that new Logic post wasn't half bad.
Vote: Montmorency
Let's try this. Anyone got reads on the guy?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 18:48
I don't like any of those choices. They're all at best null reads for me. Except Monty, he's slightly scummy.
Monty is a fine third party lynch, but in the past he's been pretty good about wrecking scum and being townsided as third party.
I don't feel he's scum team. I feel he's got no team at all, that's what's shining through his fog.
Is that because he's scummy and not in your wolf team, or why would you read someone as specifically a 3P?
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 18:55
Is that because he's scummy and not in your wolf team, or why would you read someone as specifically a 3P?
Vote: Jowy
Vote: Jowy
Did that hit too close to home?
Fredwood
06-22-2017, 18:57
You don't feel townie to me.
Process is odd to me, lots of null posts and non-solving questions. Filler, to me.
I'm not planning on voting for you today, but you should focus more on finding townies and hunting scums than caring about my vague suspicions.
It's cool to care about my suspicions, but you should be doing something right now other than that / in addition to.
lol
So what I saw with Barts vote and dismissal was a null push and asking non-solving questions? I don't see how, I literally said he was my top scummread today and stated why, then asked if I should rethink the read (no one has even addressed it outside of novice). I thought it was based on his lax pressure vote and ignoring of my response (which I thought was a bit scum), then cleared 3 people that I likely think are town. I have no input on the meta-analysis that is rampant currently, and I still gave my strongest reads with rather specific reasons for them.
And I am scum hunting, this is why I'm asking you this question. In my mind it was super specific in the reasons I was voting and not voting for those people (with the exception of CS),for you to say it wasn't either means there's a disconnect either intentionally or unintentionally. If it was a bad read for bad reasons, I can handle the critique, it's kind of why I'm playing here, to actually get better.
Pizza preferring to send a naked vote and ignoring my reply to him and my question to him is duly noted. His effort levels have been high, but actions will need to be towny as well otherwise his effort is just a smokescreen to excuse killing townies.
Askthepizzaguy
06-22-2017, 19:10
https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/examples/full/images/gall-peters_0_0_0.png
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 19:17
Manasi
You seem to have missed it the first time, but I'd still like an answer to this:
Winston's entrance towny, Logic's reaction also towny.
On both counts, why?
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 19:19
Incidentally, it took me nearly five minutes to work out how to do that mention.
Please feel free to laugh at my ineptitude, but remember that, with any luck, you'll all be old one day too.
Oh man tonal meme reads, where's GH, I need his pic.
Champ Am I doing it right?
what
youre probably doing it right
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 19:33
I'll catch up properly later on, but a scan of events in my absence leaves Jowy, pizza, and Csargo looking good.
Jowy because if this is his scum game, it's improved radically since I saw it last.
pizza because it feels like he's more focused on actual scumhunting than the appearance thereof.
And Csargo because the only way I think he'd be having this much fun as scum is if pizza was his buddy.
Also, my gut agrees with pizza that Monty could be third party. In contrast to Csargo it doesn't feel like he's really enjoying himself, which would be unusual for him as either town or scum.
I'll catch up properly later on, but a scan of events in my absence leaves Jowy, pizza, and Csargo looking good.
Jowy because if this is his scum game, it's improved radically since I saw it last.
pizza because it feels like he's more focused on actual scumhunting than the appearance thereof.
And Csargo because the only way I think he'd be having this much fun as scum is if pizza was his buddy.
Also, my gut agrees with pizza that Monty could be third party. In contrast to Csargo it doesn't feel like he's really enjoying himself, which would be unusual for him as either town or scum.
Got any suspects, as opposed to town reads?
Is that because he's scummy and not in your wolf team, or why would you read someone as specifically a 3P?
This is one of the most sidelong ways to call someone a wolf I've ever seen.
Logic's mini-wall is slightly towny.
what
youre probably doing it right
Reads, please.
This is one of the most sidelong ways to call someone a wolf I've ever seen.
It is usually better to give someone a chance to explain themselves than just announce them as a wolf.
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 19:48
Got any suspects, as opposed to town reads?
Monty aside, I've got Manasi, Logic, and Cuth all needing close attention on my read through, plus autolycus looking a fair bit scummier than usual for his quietude, simply because he showed in his champs game that he's capable of so much more.
It is usually better to give someone a chance to explain themselves than just announce them as a wolf.
Only works if you give them something to explain.
Monty aside, I've got Manasi, Logic, and Cuth all needing close attention on my read through, plus autolycus looking a fair bit scummier than usual for his quietude, simply because he showed in his champs game that he's capable of so much more.
I think everyone goes a little all-out for champs, I wouldn't expect the same volume both here and there.
Only works if you give them something to explain.
Why don't you explain it to me in his place then, if it's so obvious.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 19:56
Forum ate my post, so here is the shorter version:
This pings to me as scummy. I can't put my finger on the "why"
Csargo's "I just wana eat" gif pings to me as scummy.
Dp101 isn't doing himself any favors, but I don't have him as near wolf as you guys do. I think his defensiveness is well within most the town range of most people
Crimson_snow was initially voting for no lynch. Pinged me later with this:
While "contrarian" isn't exactly a wolf-tell, it is a bit anti-town.
I was considering placing a vote on the next highest wagon behind DP101, then I saw it was El Barto, being voted on by Fredwood and Crimson snow, and then immediately declined. Fredwood and Crimson Snow I think are much higher wolf candidates than Barto. Not sure who I'm voting for just yet, but I am going to Unvote: Winston Hughes while I am thinking about it.
Hmm. I can't actually tell if you just didn't read the initial post that supposedly pinged you, or if it's a deliberate misrepresentation. You cite the word contrarian specifically, but I didn't actually use that there. The context of the post also shows that I was deliberately withholding a fact from Pizza until after he gave an answer, rather than it...actually being contrarian in any regard.
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 19:56
I think everyone goes a little all-out for champs, I wouldn't expect the same volume both here and there.
Nor would I, but he hit ~60 posts in his one day there iirc, with plenty of good juicy content. Reverting to form here doesn't mean he's scum by any means, but it'd be an easy place to hide if he was.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 19:56
Ah. It doesn't do nested quote things for quotes within a quote. Whatever people can read back if they want the context. I encourage them to do so even.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 20:01
I don't really get the town reads on Jowy or Cuth. Meta based? Are they generally poor wolves?
Why don't you explain it to me in his place then, if it's so obvious.
But it isn't obvious, that's what I'm saying. You were acting like you had some proof of his scumminess, but didn't actually lay it out in any way.
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 20:06
I only have a two game sample on Jowy iirc - one scum, one town (neither of which I played in, btw) - but I read him correctly in both, and this seems a lot more like the latter.
This was about a year ago, though, so his scum game might well have improved considerably in the meantime.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 20:07
Not a fan of Champ popping in in response to someone mentioning him/asking a fluff question and doing nothing game related while here.
Eh.
Vote: Champ
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 20:10
Not a fan of Champ popping in in response to someone mentioning him/asking a fluff question and doing nothing game related while here.
Eh.
Vote: Champ
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=2516662
Not sure if you can link search ID's on VB or not, but this is his ISO in this game. I think the Manasi vote was RVS, so he has literally one relevant game content post/read in 12 posts - calling Csargo town with no explanation. It feels like a contrast to the energy/enthusiasm he initially had to be posting but not playing the game.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 20:21
I think that I think that I think Askthepizzaguy is town here.
That might be one too many thinks.
But it isn't obvious, that's what I'm saying. You were acting like you had some proof of his scumminess, but didn't actually lay it out in any way.
Fyi it's annoying when one guy who doesn't want to answer questions comes to defend another guy who doesn't want to answer questions.
On the topic, scum often hunt for third parties because they already know who the wolves are. So I asked him why as a townie would he be reading someone specifically as a 3P. Maybe I suck, but I have the hardest time differentiating between 3P and townies or 3P and mafia.
Fyi it's annoying when one guy who doesn't want to answer questions comes to defend another guy who doesn't want to answer questions.
On the topic, scum often hunt for third parties because they already know who the wolves are. So I asked him why as a townie would he be reading someone specifically as a 3P. Maybe I suck, but I have the hardest time differentiating between 3P and townies or 3P and mafia.
Again, you barely had a question, which was why I was poking you in an attempt to get you to spell it out.
Just because scum are the ones who want to find third parties, it doesn't mean that townies cannot end up with a third-party read. Then again, I'm still not hat confident in Pizza being town.
Again, you barely had a question, which was why I was poking you in an attempt to get you to spell it out.
Just because scum are the ones who want to find third parties, it doesn't mean that townies cannot end up with a third-party read. Then again, I'm still not hat confident in Pizza being town.
Sorry it might be a language barrier issue, to me the question was very literal and clear.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 21:39
Fact checking, that's not what he did, though?
He gives a reason, namely tone - which is all we've got at this point, according to him. Where's the joke?
except not even
it's just lazy
This is not the only place in Jowy's iso where he says one thing but does another.
The other big issue I have is he's asking Auto a ton of questions, after being told that Auto won't respond to pressure, then encourages people to pile up on him without waiting for answers.
That means he's got an agenda, and his process is for show, not something he's doing to solve the game from a zero info standpoint.
His process does not match his behavior, therefore, he's scum.
I'm suspicious of Dp101 but don't feel that the full focus on him is good for us. If he flips town, what have we really achieved today?
I asked Auto to post some reads when he comes back. That's not "a ton of questions". And like I said, I won't take your word on how someone is going to act. Pressuring people generally helps in getting something out of them. Maybe he's an anomaly like you say, but I'd rather find out myself.
Not quite the riposte I was expecting from Jowy, but close enough I suppose.
Actually let me mediate a bit here. Or fuel the fire, we'll see what transpires.
His process does not match his behavior, therefore, he's scum.
Jowy, explain how your behaviour matches your process. How can you scumread Dp, taunt him as he tries to defend, and then decide that we're done bullying him? What is your agenda?
except not even
it's just lazy
What? Please form fuller sentences (or thoughts).
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 21:44
I like this post by Cuth, the rest seem well within his scum range.
noting, for the record, that novice has never played with me when i was scum
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 21:46
Monty is a fine third party lynch, but in the past he's been pretty good about wrecking scum and being townsided as third party.
I don't feel he's scum team. I feel he's got no team at all, that's what's shining through his fog.
...
i have no idea how you reached this conclusion in any way
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 21:49
lol
So what I saw with Barts vote and dismissal was a null push and asking non-solving questions? I don't see how, I literally said he was my top scummread today and stated why, then asked if I should rethink the read (no one has even addressed it outside of novice). I thought it was based on his lax pressure vote and ignoring of my response (which I thought was a bit scum), then cleared 3 people that I likely think are town. I have no input on the meta-analysis that is rampant currently, and I still gave my strongest reads with rather specific reasons for them.
And I am scum hunting, this is why I'm asking you this question. In my mind it was super specific in the reasons I was voting and not voting for those people (with the exception of CS),for you to say it wasn't either means there's a disconnect either intentionally or unintentionally. If it was a bad read for bad reasons, I can handle the critique, it's kind of why I'm playing here, to actually get better.
i dislike this post
it takes argument, has a certain level of pushback and aggression without being too in the face, EMPHASIZES the effort and work he's done
but then again
i take that with a grain of salt
i've made posts almost exactly like this, which is why it pops out at me, but at the same time that could just be me projecting those thoughts onto the canvas of fredwood
Not quite the riposte I was expecting from Jowy, but close enough I suppose.
Actually let me mediate a bit here. Or fuel the fire, we'll see what transpires.
Jowy, explain how your behaviour matches your process. How can you scumread Dp, taunt him as he tries to defend, and then decide that we're done bullying him? What is your agenda?
There wasn't much else going on in the thread. Didn't mean to taunt btw, just wanted to hear in his own words how he's feeling.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 21:55
What? Please form fuller sentences (or thoughts).
this is the sequence
pizza asks people for townreads
dp gives a longish thought out reply
monty says dp town
when asked why, given the out of "tone"
he seizes it with vigor
monty usually at least provides curt replies with reasoning
here it just feels like
there was a post by town that looked towny
he said man i need to find a towny post that looked towny
so he called the guy who made said post town
and had no real justification for doing so otherwise
like legit i don't doubt that the read is... real
it just feels easy, it feels lazy, he does the "all we've got babe" thing instead of literally anything else
ech
...
i have no idea how you reached this conclusion in any way
Glad I'm not the only one after all.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 21:56
vote:csargo
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 21:59
i also fail to see how anyone's scumreading jowy here
there are some posts that are...awkward, sure
but on the whole he's making valid points, he's not freaking out, he's not slipping out of a towny perspective, or backing off of hard ideas he's pushing
he has a certain aggressive poise itt that'd both be hard to fake as scum and just comes across as really fluidly town
this is the sequence
pizza asks people for townreads
dp gives a longish thought out reply
monty says dp town
when asked why, given the out of "tone"
he seizes it with vigor
monty usually at least provides curt replies with reasoning
here it just feels like
there was a post by town that looked towny
he said man i need to find a towny post that looked towny
so he called the guy who made said post town
and had no real justification for doing so otherwise
like legit i don't doubt that the read is... real
it just feels easy, it feels lazy, he does the "all we've got babe" thing instead of literally anything else
ech
Thanks. And calling Monty's vote a joke was just shorthand for a vote with minimal justification?
vote:csargo
So why Csargo over Monty now?
vote:csargo
I like the color. We can go at it if you want Cuth, I'm up for it.
Actually I get the feeling that Pizza is overreaching a bit.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:08
Thanks. And calling Monty's vote a joke was just shorthand for a vote with minimal justification?
not a vote?
the joke was the babe thing
probably not MOST accurate terminology, but hey
Tally as of post 454:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Champ (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751584#post2053751584), crimson_snow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752056#post2053752056))
2 votes: Dp101 (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751788#post2053751788), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751865#post2053751865))
2 votes: Csargo (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751867#post2053751867), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752073#post2053752073))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751579#post2053751579))
1 votes: Novice (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751651#post2053751651))
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751655#post2053751655))
1 votes: Pizza (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751677#post2053751677))
1 votes: El Barto (Fredwood (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751947#post2053751947))
1 votes: Cuthilius (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751954#post2053751954))
1 votes: Unvote (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752019#post2053752019))
1 votes: Montmorency (Jowy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752023#post2053752023))
1 votes: Jowy (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752029#post2053752029))
Voting history:
Manasi
Champ
No Lynch
Fredwood
Dp101
No Lynch
Askthepizzaguy
crimson_snow
Askthepizzaguy
Novice
Novice
Winston Hughes
Autolycus
Sooh
Manasi
Pizza
El barto
ATPG
Dp101
dp101
Cuthillius
El Barto
Dp101
Csargo
monty
El Barto
Cuthilius
Unvote
Montmorency
Jowy
Champ
csargo
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:11
So why Csargo over Monty now?
reassessing, i think he's scummier
in the light of a new day, i dislike his continued push on dp
i'm not mindmelding with him as much or at all now
i think it makes sense from a perspective/gameplay pov as of right now
monty has that strike against him, but it's really not THAT much and i'd still like to hear more from him before considering lynching him in an ideal world
i also am not super fond of people's reasons for townreading csargo, pizza in particular, and think that independently he doesn't have a ton going for him aorn
I never got the Csargo townread either, not that I'm sure anyone but Pizza has actually townread him? Maybe Champ did?
Apparently he's very towny compared to his history of games.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:14
I like the color. We can go at it if you want Cuth, I'm up for it.
not much to go at, tbh
curious why you seem to be implying a desire for thunderdome the instant i vote you after not expressing any such read on me or similar conduct in the past
i still don't like your push on dp
i feel like you're strawmanning a certain couple of his posts that are kinda scummy while ignoring the volumes that aren't
which is not scumhunting, or townhunting, or even properly go about playing mafia
i feel like you've acknowledged that the towny posts exist, while still overrepresenting the weight of the posts that you do find scummy
it's a certain imbalance of perspective that i'm really not too fond of
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:15
I never got the Csargo townread either, not that I'm sure anyone but Pizza has actually townread him? Maybe Champ did?
Apparently he's very towny compared to his history of games.
not really "very towny"
he just barely ever posts and now he's posting a bunch, ostensibly because there are people he knows and is friends with that aren't usually
and pizza is reading him town for it because ???
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:16
Actually I get the feeling that Pizza is overreaching a bit.
agreed, but we should never lynch there today
lettuce take him off the table
place in the pantry
reexamine tomorrow
after lynching someone other than dp101
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 22:16
@Cuth
What do you think of Logic and Manasi?
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:17
Tally as of post 454:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Champ (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751584#post2053751584), crimson_snow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752056#post2053752056))
2 votes: Dp101 (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751788#post2053751788), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751865#post2053751865))
2 votes: Csargo (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751867#post2053751867), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752073#post2053752073))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751579#post2053751579))
1 votes: Novice (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751651#post2053751651))
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751655#post2053751655))
1 votes: Pizza (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751677#post2053751677))
1 votes: El Barto (Fredwood (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751947#post2053751947))
1 votes: Cuthilius (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751954#post2053751954))
1 votes: Unvote (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752019#post2053752019))
1 votes: Montmorency (Jowy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752023#post2053752023))
1 votes: Jowy (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752029#post2053752029))
Voting history:
does that not recognize unvotes?
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:18
@Cuth
What do you think of Logic and Manasi?
no real thought on logic, though gun to head probably town, i KINDA like manasi as of right now but it's like
super thin
and i'm super bad at reading her
as evidenced by recent events
so /shrug
oh Logic to you in particular
you're improving at mafia
your gameplay is up a couple steps already from your first games here/on cfc
good to see :)
I'll have to find a home for my vote, deadline is in the middle of the night for me.
Leaning towards Champ, he promised to be better but isn't. And frankly I long to lynch his lazy ass.
I'll ISO El Barto and Csargo first.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:20
csargo, novice, winston
what are your thoughts on crimson
does that not recognize unvotes?
It should, but in general it can be fooled by creative formatting. You can see Logic voting "Unvote" which means his latest vote was an unvote.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:21
I'll have to find a home for my vote, deadline is in the middle of the night for me.
Leaning towards Champ, he promised to be better but isn't. And frankly I long to lynch his lazy ass.
I'll ISO El Barto and Csargo first.
champ is suboptimal low-info lynch today
csargo, novice, winston
what are your thoughts on crimson
Still reading him as town.
champ is suboptimal low-info lynch today
But oh so satisfying.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:23
Still reading him as town.
talk to me about that, please
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:24
But oh so satisfying.
we're still not doing it
Okay, El Barto: Not much to say, keeping things fun, but his Dp vote really is bad. Both for reasons outlined by Fred, but also because of poor justification, and the timing seems aimed at pushing Dp over the edge.
talk to me about that, please
Standard stuff - good tone, seems solvy, no hint at hidden agendas or artificial tunneling.
What do you see?
Just finished my last final, and I finally figured out halfway through it what Pizza was trying to say with his map-posting, it was an accusation of projecting. Sorry for being slow on the uptake. A champ lynch is terrible, it gives no info.
Okay, El Barto: Not much to say, keeping things fun, but his Dp vote really is bad. Both for reasons outlined by Fred, but also because of poor justification, and the timing seems aimed at pushing Dp over the edge.
On the other hand, all his early game votes I've seen in other games have looked equally bad. Not that I think Barto is clear at all, in any way, but a bad vote coming from him is not AI, IMO.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:33
Standard stuff - good tone, seems solvy, no hint at hidden agendas or artificial tunneling.
What do you see?
ok thanks
not much, really
a lot of posts, not much content
this means pretty much nothing
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:34
On the other hand, all his early game votes I've seen in other games have looked equally bad. Not that I think Barto is clear at all, in any way, but a bad vote coming from him is not AI, IMO.
yerp
Winston Hughes
06-22-2017, 22:34
In the plus column, crimson seems confident and solvey. Thought process on DP101 is plausible. Reaction to El Barto is standard townie fare (from someone who doesn't know the takster).
In the minus column, the 'roleclaim will clear me' bit and other interactions with pizza remind me of scum games in my own back catalogue.
Overall, I'm leaning town atm.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:36
In the plus column, crimson seems confident and solvey. Thought process on DP101 is plausible. Reaction to El Barto is standard townie fare (from someone who doesn't know the takster).
In the minus column, the 'roleclaim will clear me' bit and other interactions with pizza remind me of scum games in my own back catalogue.
Overall, I'm leaning town atm.
ok thanks
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 22:37
I don't disagree that Champ isn't a super informative lynch, though I do think he's pretty likely to just be a wolf. Vote may or may not end the day there, just I don't like the contrast between his excitement and enthusiasm early to his complete and utter lack of attempting to figure out the alignment of players.
Sup scrubs.
Winston, just thought it was a natural/seamless entrance that wasn't forced etc.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 22:39
I don't disagree that Champ isn't a super informative lynch, though I do think he's pretty likely to just be a wolf. Vote may or may not end the day there, just I don't like the contrast between his excitement and enthusiasm early to his complete and utter lack of attempting to figure out the alignment of players.
I'm saying the curtain doesn't match the drapes, you feel?
The progression of:
>Excitement! Enthusiasm! Woo, game start!
to
>...Nah, not going to actually play it though
Doesn't feel like a town mindset at all.
not much to go at, tbh
curious why you seem to be implying a desire for thunderdome the instant i vote you after not expressing any such read on me or similar conduct in the past
i still don't like your push on dp
i feel like you're strawmanning a certain couple of his posts that are kinda scummy while ignoring the volumes that aren't
which is not scumhunting, or townhunting, or even properly go about playing mafia
i feel like you've acknowledged that the towny posts exist, while still overrepresenting the weight of the posts that you do find scummy
it's a certain imbalance of perspective that i'm really not too fond of
Ok, I agree with this.
Vote: Csargo
I don't disagree that Champ isn't a super informative lynch, though I do think he's pretty likely to just be a wolf. Vote may or may not end the day there, just I don't like the contrast between his excitement and enthusiasm early to his complete and utter lack of attempting to figure out the alignment of players.
I'd love to say that this behaviour, coming from champ, is atypical of an average game of his, but unfortunately, this isn't uncommon enough from him to easily write him off as frozen.
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 22:40
Carpet. Shit. Whatever mixing up metaphors is how I roll, it's icing on the gravy.
I don't know what a thunderdome is Cuth. Sounds fancy. I wasn't going to vote you, I meant argue.
Also, you're acting as if I haven't considered anyone else or my entire phase has been tunnelling Dp101, and it hasn't. I've posted thoughts on the game, the other players. Less so.
How much weight should I put on those better posts? I think I've taken a perfectly balanced approach, but you just disagree with it. I still don't have a better candidate. More later.
Tally may or may not be correct.
Night all.
Lynch votes
3 votes: Csargo (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751867#post2053751867), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752073#post2053752073), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752110#post2053752110))
2 votes: Champ (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751584#post2053751584), crimson_snow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752056#post2053752056))
2 votes: Dp101 (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751788#post2053751788), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751865#post2053751865))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751579#post2053751579))
1 votes: Novice (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751651#post2053751651))
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751655#post2053751655))
1 votes: Pizza (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751677#post2053751677))
1 votes: El Barto (Fredwood (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751947#post2053751947))
1 votes: Unvote (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752019#post2053752019))
1 votes: Montmorency (Jowy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752023#post2053752023))
1 votes: Jowy (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752029#post2053752029))
Voting history:
Manasi
Champ
No Lynch
Fredwood
Dp101
No Lynch
Askthepizzaguy
crimson_snow
Askthepizzaguy
Novice
Novice
Winston Hughes
Autolycus
Sooh
Manasi
Pizza
El barto
ATPG
Dp101
dp101
Cuthillius
El Barto
Dp101
Csargo
monty
El Barto
Cuthilius
Unvote
Montmorency
Jowy
Champ
csargo
Csargo
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 22:43
I'd love to say that this behaviour, coming from champ, is atypical of an average game of his, but unfortunately, this isn't uncommon enough from him to easily write him off as frozen.
Ah. That's unfortunate. Can you cite specific games where he had this kind of disparity between enthusiasm and...playing the game?
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 22:45
Tally may or may not be correct.
Night all.
Lynch votes
3 votes: Csargo (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751867#post2053751867), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752073#post2053752073), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752110#post2053752110))
2 votes: Champ (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751584#post2053751584), crimson_snow (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752056#post2053752056))
2 votes: Dp101 (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751788#post2053751788), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751865#post2053751865))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751579#post2053751579))
1 votes: Novice (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751651#post2053751651))
1 votes: Sooh (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751655#post2053751655))
1 votes: Pizza (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751677#post2053751677))
1 votes: El Barto (Fredwood (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053751947#post2053751947))
1 votes: Unvote (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752019#post2053752019))
1 votes: Montmorency (Jowy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752023#post2053752023))
1 votes: Jowy (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751&p=2053752029#post2053752029))
Voting history:
Lots of players on here that I don't have much of an impression of.
Sooh, Unvote, Montmorency, BSmith, Autolycus
Ah. That's unfortunate. Can you cite specific games where he had this kind of disparity between enthusiasm and...playing the game?
On mobile currently, so unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to go read through any particular games right now, sorry.
I'm saying the curtain doesn't match the drapes, you feel?
The progression of:
>Excitement! Enthusiasm! Woo, game start!
to
>...Nah, not going to actually play it though
Doesn't feel like a town mindset at all.
"Roll wolf, sub out" is a common saying for a reason :P
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:48
I don't know what a thunderdome is Cuth. Sounds fancy. I wasn't going to vote you, I meant argue.
Also, you're acting as if I haven't considered anyone else or my entire phase has been tunnelling Dp101, and it hasn't. I've posted thoughts on the game, the other players. Less so.
How much weight should I put on those better posts? I think I've taken a perfectly balanced approach, but you just disagree with it. I still don't have a better candidate. More later.
ignore that then
it's mostly been that, you've mentioned a few other people as consideration but apparently are scumreading DP SO highly that you're not even considering anyone else
look, you quoted those posts, yeah? i don't see how those outweigh the many towny posts he's made
there are a few posts that are scummy
they're not even that scummy
but you are acting like they are, and bringing them up like they're worth more than they are
it COULD just be that i vastly disagree with you, but that just seems
wrong or off or something
but i just see a massive discrepancy between your stated confidence in your reads and the basis you're grounding them on
Vote: Champ
Won't be here for deadline but prob gonna stay up for an hour or two.
Lots of players on here that I don't have much of an impression of.
Sooh, Unvote, Montmorency, BSmith, Autolycus
In case the joke flew over my head and you actually do know this, Unvote just means that that person decided to remove their vote. They are not a player.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:53
has sooh posted at all yet?
has sooh posted at all yet?
Yes, and I'm pretty sure all that was said was just an announcement of absence.
Cuthillius
06-22-2017, 22:55
Yes, and I'm pretty sure all that was said was just an announcement of absence.
oh right end of school something something
crimson_snow
06-22-2017, 22:55
In case the joke flew over my head and you actually do know this, Unvote just means that that person decided to remove their vote. They are not a player.
Whoooooosh.
You know, I'm actually becoming gradually mroe ok with a Champ lynch. Him just popping in really does not feel that typical of his play.
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