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I'm so used to only using interesting on discord that I did the discord syntax for the italics, rip me.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:11
*interesting*. A quick browse of the wiki shows that XCOM units can be immune to poison if they have a medikit, but unfortunately there are also several poison-immune aliens, so we can't get anything AI out of this.
yup
it's not massively useful
but it is something
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:11
I'm so used to only using interesting on discord that I did the discord syntax for the italics, rip me.
i do appreciate the effort, though
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:12
dp what are your thoughts on the gh slot?
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 04:13
all cards out on the table, i poisoned pizza last night and it had no effect on him
if bulletproof town claim is accurate, i could see this being some sort of unpoisonable town or scum role
don't know if bulletproof is able to be poisoned
but
worth bringing up for future reference/hearing what pizza has to say about that
Could be Town PR, hypothetically. Could be poison resistance. Could be scum self-protect. IDK
One concern here is two players making ultimate PR claims in the same EOD.
This is going to be WIFOM night, you realize.
Pizza needs to wake up.
dp what are your thoughts on the gh slot?
Very, very awkward. Hopefully will improve post-promised reread of the game overnight.
Pizza needs to wake up.
IMO, Pizza needs his sleep after the recent awakenings on prior days.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 04:14
IMO, Pizza needs his sleep after the recent awakenings on prior days.
Final rest? You lynchin?
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 04:15
i'm not reading pizza scum for META, but rather for inconsistencies in pov/actions
no idea about meta tbh, it's all over the place
last i heard votecount was 4-3-3 novice/pizza/manasi
I meant with in specifics to his effort, you said it's within his scum meta to put in that effort.
I'm scumrreading him for many of the same things you were, just I was having a hard time reconciling the tonal read I had on some of his posts that read as excitement to me and the amount of effort he's putting into the game, even in light of the somewhat manipulated ISO's
Final rest? You lynchin?
I mean, I do want him dead, but my comment was made as a joke.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:19
I meant with in specifics to his effort, you said it's within his scum meta to put in that effort.
I'm scumrreading him for many of the same things you were, just I was having a hard time reconciling the tonal read I had on some of his posts that read as excitement to me and the amount of effort he's putting into the game, even in light of the somewhat manipulated ISO's
oh yeah
he's not clearable based off of volume or effort under any circumstances whatever
Cuth your post about novice is good. Does novice usually sit back and play it safely as scum? I could see a lot of instances in your post that aren't necessarily indicative of townieness, but would depend on the player. Scum can't constantly sit back, or else they'll be pretty obviously coasting. I could see a couple of those actions as safe scum plays, specifically defending Dp and pushing pizza on Jowy. Overall though, I kinda think you're right, but I still have my reservations about both of them honestly. I need to read you're big post now, and see.
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 04:23
i'm not reading pizza scum for META, but rather for inconsistencies in pov/actions
no idea about meta tbh, it's all over the place
last i heard votecount was 4-3-3 novice/pizza/manasi
Also
Vote: Pizza I don't like that distribution at all.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 04:27
Really hard to call, eh Barto? On one hand, novice don't look hisself and this may be our only shot to provisionally clear Pizza and wield his great town power against our enemies. On the other hand, we could be fools to pass up the best opportunity imaginable to lynch Pizza, and get all that sweet spew from D1 and the TDome distribution.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:28
Cuth your post about novice is good. Does novice usually sit back and play it safely as scum? I could see a lot of instances in your post that aren't necessarily indicative of townieness, but would depend on the player. Scum can't constantly sit back, or else they'll be pretty obviously coasting. I could see a couple of those actions as safe scum plays, specifically defending Dp and pushing pizza on Jowy. Overall though, I kinda think you're right, but I still have my reservations about both of them honestly. I need to read you're big post now, and see.
i don't think i've played against him as scum either
but he doesn't seem like the kind of player who'd be overly aggressive in unnecessary situations
if you're still townreading pizza i'd be totally cool with that if you'd prefer a lynch on gh or something
because i'm not 100% or anything on him and i would feel bad about tunneling and leading a lynch on town pizza
and you do have more experience
just, talk to me about it
talk me through what i've put itt or specific reasons you find pizza towny
i don't think novice should be on the table at all today
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:31
Really hard to call, eh Barto? On one hand, novice don't look hisself and this may be our only shot to provisionally clear Pizza and wield his great town power against our enemies. On the other hand, we could be fools to pass up the best opportunity imaginable to lynch Pizza, and get all that sweet spew from D1 and the TDome distribution.
or they're v/v
Could be Town PR, hypothetically. Could be poison resistance. Could be scum self-protect. IDK
One concern here is two players making ultimate PR claims in the same EOD.
This is going to be WIFOM night, you realize.
Pizza needs to wake up.
What I read here is that Monty is either a.) Being facetious or b.) Wants to save teammate pizza.
Are there other options I should be considering?
Really hard to call, eh Barto? On one hand, novice don't look hisself and this may be our only shot to provisionally clear Pizza and wield his great town power against our enemies. On the other hand, we could be fools to pass up the best opportunity imaginable to lynch Pizza, and get all that sweet spew from D1 and the TDome distribution.
Why do you mention Barto?
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 04:43
or they're v/v
I think this will be a 4-scum team (+neutral), or a 3-scum team and 2 neutral/1neutral+1hostile3P. First, because it's Zack's game and Futuramafia had 4 scum and semi-hostile 3P (although there were 22 players). Second, we're getting the picture that this is a role-heavy game - just like Futuramafia. Third, XCom flavor contains justification (see DP).
Difficult to see v/v between novice and Pizza. Too small a possibility to reject a TDome by.
i don't think i've played against him as scum either
but he doesn't seem like the kind of player who'd be overly aggressive in unnecessary situations
if you're still townreading pizza i'd be totally cool with that if you'd prefer a lynch on gh or something
because i'm not 100% or anything on him and i would feel bad about tunneling and leading a lynch on town pizza
and you do have more experience
just, talk to me about it
talk me through what i've put itt or specific reasons you find pizza towny
i don't think novice should be on the table at all today
Honestly, you may be right about Pizza, but the problem is he's pretty consistent as both alignments iirc. This could definitely be scum pizza, pushing mislynches with overconfidence and misdirection. He's fairly confident in general though, and pretty firm in his convictions. Feel like townie pizza would have pushed the same way tbh. It's honestly just a coinflip, and it's why he's gotten paranoia lynched so many times. Everything you posted could be completely correct, and it was all smoke&mirrors/misdirection from ATPG, but it could also be genuine townie conviction and self-confidence in his reads. It's really 50-50 in my mind, because it's just so difficult to sort out. I'd rather not lynch him today tbh, because that would be a paranoia lynch from me, rather than him being scum read. He's definitely trending down for me atm, for not responding to your posts. He's still slight town/high null for me atm, so I'm not going to vote there.
Caveat: I've had sporadic encounters with ATPG over the time we've played here, so my insight isn't necessarily great when it comes to reading him. This all from memory over the years.*
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 04:44
What I read here is that Monty is either a.) Being facetious or b.) Wants to save teammate pizza.
Are there other options I should be considering?
Try this.
Really hard to call, eh Barto? On one hand, novice don't look hisself and this may be our only shot to provisionally clear Pizza and wield his great town power against our enemies. On the other hand, we could be fools to pass up the best opportunity imaginable to lynch Pizza, and get all that sweet spew from D1 and the TDome distribution.
Difficult to see v/v between novice and Pizza. Too small a possibility to reject a TDome by.
Futuramafia flashbacks intensify.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:45
Honestly, you may be right about Pizza, but the problem is he's pretty consistent as both alignments iirc. This could definitely be scum pizza, pushing mislynches with overconfidence and misdirection. He's fairly confident in general though, and pretty firm in his convictions. Feel like townie pizza would have pushed the same way tbh. It's honestly just a coinflip, and it's why he's gotten paranoia lynched so many times. Everything you posted could be completely correct, and it was all smoke&mirrors/misdirection from ATPG, but it could also be genuine townie conviction and self-confidence in his reads. It's really 50-50 in my mind, because it's just so difficult to sort out. I'd rather not lynch him today tbh, because that would be a paranoia lynch from me, rather than him being scum read. He's definitely trending down for me atm, for not responding to your posts. He's still slight town/high null for me atm, so I'm not going to vote there.
Caveat: I've had sporadic encounters with ATPG over the time we've played here, so my insight isn't necessarily great when it comes to reading him. This all from memory over the years.*
i like this response
and it makes me scrunch up the tinfoil i had on you and throw it in the wastebasket for now
all good
Honestly, you may be right about Pizza, but the problem is he's pretty consistent as both alignments iirc. This could definitely be scum pizza, pushing mislynches with overconfidence and misdirection. He's fairly confident in general though, and pretty firm in his convictions. Feel like townie pizza would have pushed the same way tbh. It's honestly just a coinflip, and it's why he's gotten paranoia lynched so many times. Everything you posted could be completely correct, and it was all smoke&mirrors/misdirection from ATPG, but it could also be genuine townie conviction and self-confidence in his reads. It's really 50-50 in my mind, because it's just so difficult to sort out. I'd rather not lynch him today tbh, because that would be a paranoia lynch from me, rather than him being an actual scum read. He's definitely trending down for me atm, for not responding to your posts. He's still slight town/high null for me atm, so I'm not going to vote there.
Caveat: I've had sporadic encounters with ATPG over the time we've played here, so my insight isn't necessarily great when it comes to reading him. This all from memory over the years.*
Dang words are getting away from me.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 04:51
Cuth, under what conditions do you see your reveal paying off, if Pizza is not lynched today, or novice is not lynched today?
People whom I have no interest in lynching right now:
CSnow
Fredwood
Cuth
Csargo
Winston
Meh:
Barto
Manasi
Sooh
DP
People who need to die:
Logic
GH
Pizza-novice TDome
Futuramafia flashbacks intensify.
Do tell.
Honestly, you may be right about Pizza, but the problem is he's pretty consistent as both alignments iirc. This could definitely be scum pizza, pushing mislynches with overconfidence and misdirection. He's fairly confident in general though, and pretty firm in his convictions. Feel like townie pizza would have pushed the same way tbh. It's honestly just a coinflip, and it's why he's gotten paranoia lynched so many times. Everything you posted could be completely correct, and it was all smoke&mirrors/misdirection from ATPG, but it could also be genuine townie conviction and self-confidence in his reads. It's really 50-50 in my mind, because it's just so difficult to sort out. I'd rather not lynch him today tbh, because that would be a paranoia lynch from me, rather than him being scum read. He's definitely trending down for me atm, for not responding to your posts. He's still slight town/high null for me atm, so I'm not going to vote there.
Caveat: I've had sporadic encounters with ATPG over the time we've played here, so my insight isn't necessarily great when it comes to reading him. This all from memory over the years.*
This is where I'm basically at, except for the attitude towards avoiding a paranoia lynch. I feel that there have been clear and obvious manipulations by Pizza, and I would much rather punish a bad town game from him than lose to a scum pizza that makes those kinds of missteps.
Do tell.
It just reminded me of how I lost that game.
Cuth, under what conditions do you see your reveal paying off, if Pizza is not lynched today, or novice is not lynched today?
People whom I have no interest in lynching right now:
CSnow
Fredwood
Cuth
Csargo
Winston
Meh:
Barto
Manasi
Sooh
DP
People who need to die:
Logic
GH
Pizza-novice TDome
Do tell.
I'm rather curious as to how I've made your "must-kill" list. C-Snow is the only one I push down one tier, and I agree that GH and novice look less than good. But what has compelled you to rate me so lowly?
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:56
Cuth, under what conditions do you see your reveal paying off, if Pizza is not lynched today, or novice is not lynched today?
People whom I have no interest in lynching right now:
CSnow
Fredwood
Cuth
Csargo
Winston
Meh:
Barto
Manasi
Sooh
DP
People who need to die:
Logic
GH
Pizza-novice TDome
Do tell.
in the world where pizza claims something, we lynch a different potential scum, let night actions and claims sort him out
i just wanted to be straight forward and avoid the whole pizza
I AM A SUPER BEST TOWN ROLE BUT IT WOULD BE STUPID ON YOUR PARTS IF YOU MADE ME CLAIM
IM TOWN REALLY GREAT TOWN ROLE BUT USELESS IF I REVEAL CMON
i agree with your want to lynch, am townreading a couple of people you read null
i think we have this game under wraps as long as we lynch one of pizza or gh today
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 04:56
I'm rather curious as to how I've made your "must-kill" list. C-Snow is the only one I push down one tier, and I agree that GH and novice look less than good. But what has compelled you to rate me so lowly?
what has compelled you not to mention atpg
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 04:59
Monty climbing up the read list for his placement of logic. He was the one I was referring to about wanting to pursue tomorrow.
Still too loopy to post a case currently, and need to make sure I'm not crazy and I'm not in the state of mind to do so.
I'm still not particularly impress with Dp101, ATPG said he'd post himself clear by D3? and I'm not seeing much out of him to feel confident in that assertion by Pizza. His reads post was about the only thing that I've really thought was positive, the rest was pretty meh imo. I won't vote there today because I promised peace in our time, but just saying.
I honestly hated GH's entrance into the thread, it was pretty bad. Didn't like his tone either, or his case on me. Nothing really popped out as townie.
Not sure what it is about Barto, but I'm not a fan this game. Interaction with Fredwood, I thought was just not particularly townie. His tone hasn't been particularly great as of late either.
Feel a bit better about Sooh today, so I don't want to lynch there.
Logic is still slight scummy to me from D1, and hasn't really improved in my memory.
I'd like to lynch in Barto and Logic today I think. I'll give GH the benefit of the doubt and see what happens tomorrow, just like Dp.
Vote:El Barto
I will vote to save Manasi or ATPG, should the tallies not change, because they're my town reads atm. You've been warned.
what has compelled you not to mention atpg
Because I haven't changed my mind on him since I last mentioned him.
Monty I'd put on the bottom of my "meh" list.
I'm still not particularly impress with Dp101, ATPG said he'd post himself clear by D3? and I'm not seeing much out of him to feel confident in that assertion by Pizza. His reads post was about the only thing that I've really thought was positive, the rest was pretty meh imo. I won't vote there today because I promised peace in our time, but just saying.
I honestly hated GH's entrance into the thread, it was pretty bad. Didn't like his tone either, or his case on me. Nothing really popped out as townie.
Not sure what it is about Barto, but I'm not a fan this game. Interaction with Fredwood, I thought was just not particularly townie. His tone hasn't been particularly great as of late either.
Feel a bit better about Sooh today, so I don't want to lynch there.
Logic is still slight scummy to me from D1, and hasn't really improved in my memory.
I'd like to lynch in Barto or Logic today I think. I'll give GH the benefit of the doubt and see what happens tomorrow, just like Dp.
Vote:El Barto
I will vote to save Manasi or ATPG, should the tallies not change, because they're my town reads atm. You've been warned.
I'm still bad at words.
Timer:
Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
Official Tally as of #1132
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Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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annoying.
I'm off to bed. My vote will remain. G'night all.
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 05:08
I'm still bad at words.
If you save Pizza by lynching Novice and Novice flips town, where you at then with Pizza?
In case of CFD:
People whom I have no interest in lynching right now:
Winston
Cuth
Fredwood
Csargo
Meh:
Pizza
Barto
Dp101
Bsmith
Manasi
Sooh
Monty
People who need to die:
GH
novice
Monty left Bsmith off his list initially, which I don't blame him, considering how little Bsmith has been around.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:13
I'm rather curious as to how I've made your "must-kill" list. C-Snow is the only one I push down one tier, and I agree that GH and novice look less than good. But what has compelled you to rate me so lowly?
Talking to people more than about them?
IDK, you're not like Pokemon. :shrug:
If you save Pizza by lynching Novice and Novice flips town, where you at then with Pizza?
I stand by killing Pizza if novice town. Strongly believe one of them should be lynched today.
I'm still not particularly impress with Dp101, ATPG said he'd post himself clear by D3? and I'm not seeing much out of him to feel confident in that assertion by Pizza. His reads post was about the only thing that I've really thought was positive, the rest was pretty meh imo. I won't vote there today because I promised peace in our time, but just saying.
I honestly hated GH's entrance into the thread, it was pretty bad. Didn't like his tone either, or his case on me. Nothing really popped out as townie.
Not sure what it is about Barto, but I'm not a fan this game. Interaction with Fredwood, I thought was just not particularly townie. His tone hasn't been particularly great as of late either.
Feel a bit better about Sooh today, so I don't want to lynch there.
Logic is still slight scummy to me from D1, and hasn't really improved in my memory.
I'd like to lynch in Barto and Logic today I think. I'll give GH the benefit of the doubt and see what happens tomorrow, just like Dp.
Vote:El Barto
I will vote to save Manasi or ATPG, should the tallies not change, because they're my town reads atm. You've been warned.
Agree with most everything but the last line. Also, Pizza's line about posting myself clear is because I have a history of being massively townread here, which is really inconvenient whenever I have an off game like this one, or roll scum.
If you save Pizza by lynching Novice and Novice flips town, where you at then with Pizza?
I'd lynch him tomorrow, no mercy.
I'd lynch him tomorrow, no mercy.
Good man.
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 05:22
I'd lynch him tomorrow, no mercy.
Well that's at least there's no hedge there and you lock yourself into an action.
Talking to people more than about them?
IDK, you're not like Pokemon. :shrug:
I stand by killing Pizza if novice town. Strongly believe one of them should be lynched today.
I agree with both of these statements. If novice flips town, which I'm still pretty unsure about him, then I'd think Cuth is spot on in his analysis of Pizza. Therefore, he'd need to be lynched asap in my mind.
Agree with most everything but the last line. Also, Pizza's line about posting myself clear is because I have a history of being massively townread here, which is really inconvenient whenever I have an off game like this one, or roll scum.
Fair point.
I'm voting Barto because it's a gutread for me, and I don't have any other way to read him. So I'm putting my vote there, just fyi.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:25
Note: I have gotten no message about being poisoned.
I also have no stated abilities. Just vanilla town here.
So either cuth's lying or poisoning doesn't give a message. Leaning toward the latter since his behavior all game has been excellent enough to clear him.
But still lolCuth.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 05:26
Note: I have gotten no message about being poisoned.
I also have no stated abilities. Just vanilla town here.
So either cuth's lying or poisoning doesn't give a message. Leaning toward the latter since his behavior all game has been excellent enough to clear him.
But still lolCuth.
this
was not the answer i expected
but it makes me feel better about your hopefully imminent demise
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 05:28
because if bp town that means low chance of doc
that also means either someone would have had to use some sort of poison neutralizer on you
or ???
Well that's at least there's no hedge there and you lock yourself into an action.
He's never going to post himself clear, because there's always gonna be doubt about him deceiving you, etc. Like Cuth posted earlier. The only way to clear him is through lynch results imo, which isn't great but ultimately the strongest way to get an accurate result imo. I won't give him a third mislynch.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:29
I think I have a general sense of the tally and that I am in danger of being lynched, but I was skimming.
Last chance to ask me anything. A claim like Cuth's will get me dead and that's going to be a disappointing finish to a promising round.
Guess you have to consider lynching Cuth in final 3 or he might have been the 3rd party that's acting super townie. But it's not lessening my overall town read on him.
When I am lynched
You
Will
Look
At
My
Posts
And
Consider
Their
Merit.
I honestly couldn't have had a townier game unless I spent 20 straight hours at it like champs.
My body is ready for a silly lynch though. At least I get to shake Jowy's hand in dead chat and apologize to him.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:31
this
was not the answer i expected
but it makes me feel better about your hopefully imminent demise
If it went through and there's no message, I'm dead shortly and vanilla town, and you're just as silly about tinfoiling on me as I said.
Which is why I scrolled past all the delightful work you did accusing me.
Good job, good effort. Try to read me better next time. You have a lousy track record guessing my alignment, you big goof.
I think I have a general sense of the tally and that I am in danger of being lynched, but I was skimming.
Last chance to ask me anything. A claim like Cuth's will get me dead and that's going to be a disappointing finish to a promising round.
Guess you have to consider lynching Cuth in final 3 or he might have been the 3rd party that's acting super townie. But it's not lessening my overall town read on him.
When I am lynched
You
Will
Look
At
My
Posts
And
Consider
Their
Merit.
I honestly couldn't have had a townier game unless I spent 20 straight hours at it like champs.
My body is ready for a silly lynch though. At least I get to shake Jowy's hand in dead chat and apologize to him.
I said this recently in a MU game lol.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:33
because if bp town that means low chance of doc
that also means either someone would have had to use some sort of poison neutralizer on you
or ???
Generally people don't use a poison neutralizer until someone's been poisoned, I don't think.
Apothecary or similar type roles tend to cure someone, and then there's also usually a message about being poisoned in the first place.
I want that novice death.
Upon my death, I am ordering you to kill Novice with the fires of a thousand suns as penance for your failure.
Or you can watch him win the game as scum, it's your call.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:34
I think I have a general sense of the tally and that I am in danger of being lynched, but I was skimming.
Last chance to ask me anything. A claim like Cuth's will get me dead and that's going to be a disappointing finish to a promising round.
Guess you have to consider lynching Cuth in final 3 or he might have been the 3rd party that's acting super townie. But it's not lessening my overall town read on him.
When I am lynched
You
Will
Look
At
My
Posts
And
Consider
Their
Merit.
I honestly couldn't have had a townier game unless I spent 20 straight hours at it like champs.
My body is ready for a silly lynch though. At least I get to shake Jowy's hand in dead chat and apologize to him.
What do you think of GH's entrance?
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:37
What do you think of GH's entrance?
Non-impactful to me.
I've been focusing my attention elsewhere and I am pretty sure I need more than 1 catchup phase to read GH.
I won't be around for such a thing.
Also: If there is an apothecary that can cure me of poison, should I not be lynched here:
Do not, and this is not a bluff.
Let the poison happen so you can confirm Cuth's power and claim.
You get an extra lynch, and it proves I was town.
You'd be crazy to cure me. I also get to not do more isos because I'm dead and town.
Don't you dare lynch my town core. Especially if I said you had a tinfoil or were acting "like yourself" this game.
That's pizza code for "I like you, and you're a character, but lol your reads and process in every game"
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 05:38
Generally people don't use a poison neutralizer until someone's been poisoned, I don't think.
Apothecary or similar type roles tend to cure someone, and then there's also usually a message about being poisoned in the first place.
I want that novice death.
Upon my death, I am ordering you to kill Novice with the fires of a thousand suns as penance for your failure.
Or you can watch him win the game as scum, it's your call.
all i know
is that i poisoned you, friend
this would literally be the stupidest claim ever if it were fake
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:38
Check this D2 from Confections, where novice, GH, and Pizza were scum with Al Sipsclar.
Day 2 Final Vote Tally as of post 504:
Lynch votes
6 votes: Zack (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722145#post2053722145), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722187#post2053722187), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722209#post2053722209), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722376#post2053722376), Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722379#post2053722379), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722397#post2053722397))
5 votes: GeneralHankerchief (NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722136#post2053722136), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722175#post2053722175), Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722343#post2053722343), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722378#post2053722378), Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722395#post2053722395))
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722177#post2053722177))
1 votes: El Barto (seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722201#post2053722201))
1 votes: Cuthillius (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722221#post2053722221))
1 votes: Scarlett Aria (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722251#post2053722251))
Voting history:
DAY HAS ENDED. NO MORE POSTING.
Novice shied away off-wagon, while Pizza and Al Sips hard-bussed their partner GH and got away with it because GH wasn't lynched anyway. Novice shied away off-wagon to avoid tie/association.
Novice in that game was only somewhat similar to now. There he was much more angly and tunnely, and not concerned with solving or giving the appearance of solving. He coordinated quite a bit with his partners in subtly framing their pushes or opinions.
Pizza, do some partner analysis for novice. What was going on behind the scenes D1? What's going on now?
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:38
What are wagons?
Will vote to save pizza on a non-town read.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:39
So, you will only consider your top 3, plus unnamed others? What gives? This sounds like a non-commital to me.
Logic here is a good example.
You can't fake this.
I <3 you logic, please don't be mad at me for being my example.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:40
Non-impactful to me.
I've been focusing my attention elsewhere and I am pretty sure I need more than 1 catchup phase to read GH.
I won't be around for such a thing.
Also: If there is an apothecary that can cure me of poison, should I not be lynched here:
Do not, and this is not a bluff.
Let the poison happen so you can confirm Cuth's power and claim.
You get an extra lynch, and it proves I was town.
You'd be crazy to cure me. I also get to not do more isos because I'm dead and town.
Don't you dare lynch my town core. Especially if I said you had a tinfoil or were acting "like yourself" this game.
That's pizza code for "I like you, and you're a character, but lol your reads and process in every game"
He had only a few posts. Just read his first 8 or so, along with me and Csargo interacting w/ him.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:41
Logic here is a good example.
You can't fake this.
I <3 you logic, please don't be mad at me for being my example.
I have a lot of trouble believing you actually believe some of the town reads you've created this game. If we're both somehow alive D3 when my life is back in order I'd very much like to sit down and talk about some of them in very explicit detail even if just to improve my own read on the slot.
Because several posts you're town reading people for kind of make me want them dead.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:42
Pizza, do some partner analysis for novice. What was going on behind the scenes D1? What's going on now?
Night 2 if I make it there. 20 minutes ain't proper time to do such an analysis and it would be rushed.
I also did a huge post where I examined a tally mid-day one and looked for partner analysis. Off the top of my head there's good analysis there.
It's buried and you have to look for it.
I know it's tough, buddies and all, but if you had a question to ask me I already answered it. It's in my posts.
It will take time, effort, and reading comprehension, but I am extremely okay with the work I did so far being good enough to defend enough townies to have a solid endgame even if I were wrong on novice somehow.
I'd only be halfway through what passes for a championship-worthy town performance these days. I can live with that! (that's irony, because dead pizza)
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:43
Cuth, are you around? Did your action explicitly fail? Like, is there any chance he's going to die from the poison and lynching him is therefore an absolute waste?
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:43
What are wagons?
Will vote to save pizza on a non-town read.
TALLY
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4 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, Barto)
4 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, Bsmith, Fredwood)
3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)
1 Champ (Crimson_snow)
1 Sooh (Manasi)
1 Barto (Csargo)
1 Csargo (GH)
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Not Voting:
Not Posting: autolycus
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Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:44
I have a lot of trouble believing you actually believe some of the town reads you've created this game. If we're both somehow alive D3 when my life is back in order I'd very much like to sit down and talk about some of them in very explicit detail even if just to improve my own read on the slot.
Because several posts you're town reading people for kind of make me want them dead.
How well do you know Logic?
I don't even know him that well.
But I've played several games with him and my meta on him leads me to all these conclusions.
He's just that straightforward. It's a good quality. If he's acting, it's acting so subtle that it makes me want to give him an Oscar.
It's no Jim Carrey performance, that's for sure.
Official Tally as of #1316
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Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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4 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood)
4 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto)
3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
1 GeneralHankerchief (crimson_snow -- vote for champ counts for gh)
1 Sooh (Manasi)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: autolycus
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:45
Yeah, I don't...think I want to touch that Novice wagon. It's Pizza and 3 players in my PoE.
Vote: Manasi
Fo' fo' fo'.
Yeah, I don't...think I want to touch that Novice wagon. It's Pizza and 3 players in my PoE.
Vote: Manasi
Fo' fo' fo'.
So you'd rather tie 3 wagons????
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:46
I have a lot of trouble believing you actually believe some of the town reads you've created this game. If we're both somehow alive D3 when my life is back in order I'd very much like to sit down and talk about some of them in very explicit detail even if just to improve my own read on the slot.
Because several posts you're town reading people for kind of make me want them dead.
What about the BP?
Official Tally as of #1320
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Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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4 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood)
4 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes, crimson_snow)
4 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
1 Sooh (Manasi)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: autolycus
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
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Reminder: ties broken by RNG.
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 05:47
so you just go to a tied 3 wagon on a less-info lynch so we'll just have to do this over again next phase but with less townies.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:47
Cuth, are you around? Did your action explicitly fail? Like, is there any chance he's going to die from the poison and lynching him is therefore an absolute waste?
I believe poisoners generally get told if they were roleblocked, same as a vig. Don't hold me to that.
If I don't die, it's because he was blocked, an exceedingly absurd scenario which is technically possible if scums have a rb.
But, it would still be unusual not to be told "poison succeeded" or at least if you got blocked.
Dunno. I think Zack would keep to his typical host meta on that.
Look up previous Zack games and see if you can determine whether vigs/poisoners get a block message.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:48
What about the BP?
What about it? I feel like one of us is confused here.
I was a 1-shot bulletproof, I'm almost positive I was the shot night one. I may or may not be the shot tonight.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:48
@ Manasi
break the tie and lynch Novice.
Then I die, too.
And then you don't die.
Fixed an error in previous two tallies where El Barto (instead of Winston Hughes) was listed as voting Manasi.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:50
so you just go to a tied 3 wagon on a less-info lynch so we'll just have to do this over again next phase but with less townies.
I think Pizza is pretty strongly town, and think people voting for Novice sans Pizza all have decent wolf equity. I don't have a town read on Manasi, so I'd rather lynch her than the people who are more likely town.
Rocket science it isn't.
@ Manasi
break the tie and lynch Novice.
Then I die, too.
And then you don't die.
I'm retreading a bit.
Contemplating who should be higher on my V list.
Don't you think novice is playing like he did in Pokémon
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:51
i respect your reads, crimson, but I'd rather you put me up against novice so I have a chance of lynching him.
That said, Manasi/Sooh needs to be resolved so I don't hate a Manasi lynch.
i respect your reads, crimson, but I'd rather you put me up against novice so I have a chance of lynching him.
That said, Manasi/Sooh needs to be resolved so I don't hate a Manasi lynch.
Lol what the fuck is this
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:52
I'm retreading a bit.
Contemplating who should be higher on my V list.
Don't you think novice is playing like he did in Pokémon
No
I think he's a gigantic hit you over the head gigantic big ball of scum that needs to die in the worst possible way as soon as possible
He's the only obvious mafia read I've gotten, and it's been building since the start.
He gotta die, NOW.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:52
i respect your reads, crimson, but I'd rather you put me up against novice so I have a chance of lynching him.
That said, Manasi/Sooh needs to be resolved so I don't hate a Manasi lynch.
I don't think Sooh has the read on me she does if she tried to shoot me N1 and I lived.
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 05:52
I think Pizza is pretty strongly town, and think people voting for Novice sans Pizza all have decent wolf equity. I don't have a town read on Manasi, so I'd rather lynch her than the people who are more likely town.
Rocket science it isn't.
The problem is that it's two men enter one man leave mode now with Pizza v Novice. It wastes another day phase not to commit to even an info lynch on a Novice flip.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:53
The problem is that it's two men enter one man leave mode now with Pizza v Novice. It wastes another day phase not to commit to even an info lynch on a Novice flip.
That's bullshit though. They're perfectly capable (and I think likely) of both being town.
The problem is that it's two men enter one man leave mode now with Pizza v Novice. It wastes another day phase not to commit to even an info lynch on a Novice flip.
Vote: Pizza
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:54
Lol what the fuck is this
You've been skipping my posts this phase.
I laid out my reasoning on you. I lean town on you more than Sooh, but think there's a fair chance.
I had tons of problems town-clearing you this game.
If you pocketed me, which can happen, it'd be nice that you died.
If not, lynch novice.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:54
Pizza, if you died town, wouldn't it be easier to lynch novice later than for novice to flip town and try to lynch you? Novice would have a harder time weaseling out if he is scum.
Vote: Pizza
Doesn't count unless it's bolded.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:55
Lynching Pizza when there's at least the chance that he was poisoned and will die in the night is unfathomably dumb.
Official Tally as of #1341
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Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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5 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo)
4 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood)
4 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes, crimson_snow)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
1 Sooh (Manasi)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: autolycus
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
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Reminder: ties broken by RNG.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 05:55
Logic here is a good example.
You can't fake this.
I <3 you logic, please don't be mad at me for being my example.
dude you're literally doing the same thing
Vote:novice
I told you.
Told who what?
You've been skipping my posts this phase.
I laid out my reasoning on you. I lean town on you more than Sooh, but think there's a fair chance.
I had tons of problems town-clearing you this game.
If you pocketed me, which can happen, it'd be nice that you died.
If not, lynch novice.
"I think you're more town than sooh"
"Yeah let's Lynch manasi"
You know how lazy I am. WHen would I ever read through that nonsense
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:55
That's bullshit though. They're perfectly capable (and I think likely) of both being town.
I gotta have my dead scum novice.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 05:56
No
I think he's a gigantic hit you over the head gigantic big ball of scum that needs to die in the worst possible way as soon as possible
He's the only obvious mafia read I've gotten, and it's been building since the start.
He gotta die, NOW.
good thing you ignored my walls telling you why not
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:56
"I think you're more town than sooh"
"Yeah let's Lynch manasi"
You know how lazy I am. WHen would I ever read through that nonsense
preserve the life of your top town read. Novice or pizza.
Csargo are you sure about pizza
I'm not anymore
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 05:56
You've been skipping my posts this phase.
I laid out my reasoning on you. I lean town on you more than Sooh, but think there's a fair chance.
I had tons of problems town-clearing you this game.
If you pocketed me, which can happen, it'd be nice that you died.
If not, lynch novice.
dude
you are literally doing the same thing
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 05:56
Random gods decide?
Official Tally as of #1352
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Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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5 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice)
5 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo)
4 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes, crimson_snow)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
1 Sooh (Manasi)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: autolycus
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
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Reminder: ties broken by RNG.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:57
good thing you ignored my walls telling you why not
Sorry I'm a baller and you're not.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:57
I gotta have my dead scum novice.
Barto, Logic, Monty... I'd not actually be surprised if 2 of those were wolves, man. Like it's not impossible for Novice to be a wolf, but the wagon on him feels so sketchy.
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 05:57
Told who what?
Said he was gonna vote for whoever would save Pizza.
Told who what?
I'm just trying to save my townreads is all.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:57
So get me off of novice by lynching him.
Simple.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:58
Ugh.
Vote: Novice
This is mostly a protest mechanical vote because I am not wasting a lynch on a town read who could possibly die in the night from poison.
Let the record show, I wanted to lynch Barto.
Sorry I'm a baller and you're not.
LOL wtf
vote: pizza
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 05:58
remember not to post after :00
Official Tally as of #1362
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Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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6 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice, Manasi)
6 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo, crimson_snow)
3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: autolycus
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
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Reminder: ties broken by RNG.
If he doesn't flip scum I'm gonna be pissed ATPG.
Askthepizzaguy
06-26-2017, 05:59
If it rands on novice and he dies and is scum, I am the goatest goat that ever goated.
If it does not, I tried, died, and was vanilla town.
Good game!
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 05:59
Get off of Pizza, he bleeds town.
Do not post, Day Two is over.
Official Tally as of #1362
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Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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:skull: 6 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice, Manasi)
6 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo, crimson_snow)
2 Manasi (Sooh, Winston Hughes)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: autolycus
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
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Reminder: ties broken by RNG.
Final tally (fixed). autolycus will be forcibly replaced or modkilled if he does not post and vote Day 3.
https://i.imgur.com/eiJoP4M.png
End of Day 2.
Zack is tired and has a headache, and you care more about the flip than shitty flavor anyways.
Askthepizzaguy was lynched in a close vote between him and novice.
https://i.imgur.com/NRmXd4q.png
Askthepizzaguy was a Sectoid!
He was town!
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It is now Night Two.
Deadline for night orders in: tunnel snakes rule
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Living Players: 15
autolycus
BSmith
Champ
crimson_snow
Csargo
Cuthillius
Dp101
El Barto
Fredwood
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
novice
Sooh
Winston Hughes
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Dead Players: 2
Jowy - Faceless
Askthepizzaguy - Sectoid
You can post now.
Note the timer, getting us back to 11:30 pm EDT.
The intensity of that EoD makes me think that scum was on the line.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 06:14
dammit
ok
The intensity of that EoD makes me think that scum was on the line.
Apparently not.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 06:14
once again
dammit
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:14
Why.
He like 300+ posted in a half dead game, he was possibly poisoned and would die in the night, and he just radiated town who cared. That lynch was worse than any I saw in the championship series.
Yes. Any.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 06:15
Why.
He like 300+ posted in a half dead game, he was possibly poisoned and would die in the night, and he just radiated town who cared. That lynch was worse than any I saw in the championship series.
Yes. Any.
he was not poisoned, unless someone else did it
Why.
He like 300+ posted in a half dead game, he was possibly poisoned and would die in the night, and he just radiated town who cared. That lynch was worse than any I saw in the championship series.
Yes. Any.
Spoken like someone who has never been burned by Pizza scum.
Why.
He like 300+ posted in a half dead game, he was possibly poisoned and would die in the night, and he just radiated town who cared. That lynch was worse than any I saw in the championship series.
Yes. Any.
Better him than me. And you obviously haven't seen Pizza scumming.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:17
Then you fucking deal with that in the late game if he's alive, you don't do the scum's job for them by lynching someone who is pouring their soul into things and is someone they very much want to kill if town.
The alternatives were people who frankly aren't solving and aren't a fraction as useful as a Town!Pizza is. This day phase made game 11 look sane and reasonable.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 06:18
God I'm trash.
DP town
he was not poisoned, unless someone else did it
Do you mean in the sense you think your attempt failed, or?
Novice lookin bad
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 06:19
DP town
Do you mean in the sense you think your attempt failed, or?
Novice lookin bad
i literally claimed yes i poisoned him but it had no effect
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 06:20
i still don't want to lynch novice
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 06:21
i literally claimed yes i poisoned him but it had no effect
Yeah, we even discussed it. I just forgot.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:21
Now I'm just irritated. I literally signed up to this game to play with Pizza, and that unfathomably dumb lynch cratered my enjoyment of the game because people are too terrified of the worst case scenario to play the damn game properly.
Next game just lynch him D1 before he can post just in case he's scum, doesn't that sound super logical?
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 06:23
Now I'm just irritated. I literally signed up to this game to play with Pizza, and that unfathomably dumb lynch cratered my enjoyment of the game because people are too terrified of the worst case scenario to play the damn game properly.
Next game just lynch him D1 before he can post just in case he's scum, doesn't that sound super logical?
What do you think of novice wagon now?
What do you think - at least as a bookmark question - about GH, Sooh, Logic?
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:25
If I die in the night, bury GH 6 feet under.
Kill BSmith with the fury of a thousand suns. That vote on Pizza did Not Come From Town.
Novice might just need to die, but I sort of think he's town. I just think Cuth and Fred are more town on that Pizza wagon.
Sooh is probably town, I think the read she has on me doesn't come from a place of someone who knows I'm town, and knows I survived the N1 kill.
Kind of liked Manasi's EoD, but she still has decent wolf equity, particularly if Novice is town.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:27
Better him than me. And you obviously haven't seen Pizza scumming.
Like this is bullshit.
Everything about it is bullshit.
I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.
And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:28
What do you think of novice wagon now?
What do you think - at least as a bookmark question - about GH, Sooh, Logic?
GH is a wolf, kill it with fire.
Sooh is probably town.
Logic is in the PoE, but I'd at least respect Pizza's read there and give him a little bit of time, if close scrutiny. I don't understand Pizza's read there, but I've lost the chance to talk to him about it like I wanted to once I had the time to catch up and play.
i still don't want to lynch novice
I'ma vote him tomorrow, just like with ATPG, no mercy.
Cuth and Manasi look the worst here imo after the flip.
Manasi especially, she gave me a sad.
I've got nothing else, except sadness.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:33
I'ma vote him tomorrow, just like with ATPG, no mercy.
Cuth and Manasi look the worst here imo after the flip.
Manasi especially, she gave me a sad.
I've got nothing else, except sadness.
What.
Are you a wolf after all? The possibility that they were both town is very real and very possible. Blindly going after him like that is not a good idea. It's lazy and terrible at best, and incredibly wolfy agenda if not that.
I don't think that's a real thought - that you actually think Cuth looks bad here. That's pure suicide to claim what he did just to get pizza lynched. Did you read his posts? He had real conviction that Pizza was scum, he believed in it, he pushed it, he thought he was lynching a wolf that survived his poison attempt. That play never comes from scum here.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:34
Csargo goes in the Immolate With Prejudice pile with GH and BSmith, possibly. I'll re-iso, but I just really don't believe he comes out of that with thinking Cuth looks bad. That is not a real thought a townie who is critically thinking about the day has.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 06:34
Like this is bullshit.
Everything about it is bullshit.
I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.
And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.
To be fair, I don't think many were voting for sheer fearlynch. Cuth voted to save novice, novice voted for self-pres, BSmith was pretty bad to be sure, possible scum, Fredwood over the novice case and overall play, Manasi because, uh...
There were valid considerations about his process and content. Several who didn't vote Pizza had them as well.
I'ma vote him tomorrow, just like with ATPG, no mercy.
Cuth and Manasi look the worst here imo after the flip.
Manasi especially, she gave me a sad.
I've got nothing else, except sadness.
Probably Bsmith looks worse than Manasi. For Cuth, he has looked pretty town and I don't think he would be so explicit defending partner novice.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 06:36
What.
Are you a wolf after all? The possibility that they were both town is very real and very possible. Blindly going after him like that is not a good idea. It's lazy and terrible at best, and incredibly wolfy agenda if not that.
I don't think that's a real thought - that you actually think Cuth looks bad here. That's pure suicide to claim what he did just to get pizza lynched. Did you read his posts? He had real conviction that Pizza was scum, he believed in it, he pushed it, he thought he was lynching a wolf that survived his poison attempt. That play never comes from scum here.
Cuth AFAIK didn't have a strong scum read on Pizza, and he didn't use the poison attempt as justification to lynch Pizza. It was mostly because he had a strong belief in novice being town.
Like this is bullshit.
Everything about it is bullshit.
I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.
And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.
Look, I'm sorry that we're all terrible and lynched someone you wanted to play with and are to blame for everything wrong with the game, but, what are we meant to do? I saw inconsistencies, and voted based on them. I know that Pizza is more than capable of everything that he did this game as scum, and I really can't just ignore that when reading him. I'm sorry that you are angry, but one bad lynch does not end everything.
For what it's worth, Crimson, I'm pretty sure that you have cleared yourself through your anger.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:38
Cuth AFAIK didn't have a strong scum read on Pizza, and he didn't use the poison attempt as justification to lynch Pizza. It was mostly because he had a strong belief in novice being town.
Didn't Cuth have a dunk of a case/push on Pizza early in the day and vote him? I haven't read the entire day, but it just radiated town conviction.
It was obviously borne from his night action failing and him thinking it made Pizza scum, in retrospect, even if he didn't claim the night action until EoD.
I haven't read the third quarter of the game super closely, I'll fix that over the night phase, but I really don't believe Csargo reads Cuth's posts he made at start, middle, and end of day and comes away with anything other than him being extremely town.
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 06:42
For what it's worth, Crimson, I'm pretty sure that you have cleared yourself through your anger.
I was already clear through my D1 play, the fact that I was almost certainly shot N1 by scum, and my claim and behavior supporting the claim.
This is just me being supremely frustrated by one of the worst lynches I've ever seen. You just...don't lynch someone pouring their soul into the game, obsessively reading and ISO'ing to the point that they keep reading the game and ISOing after they said they were going to bed. You don't do it on day TWO after there was no kill night one. It's someone that if town, scum so very much want dead and town just did their job for them. Even if you think he's a wolf, pressure him, constantly make him defend, and continue to drive the game forwards and solve, and you lynch one of the 3+ other wolves/neutrals/3P's/whatever in the game.
People being "What were we supposed to do he's really good scum" is just. Ugh.
And don't clear me because of my anger, clear me because of my play, my content, my claim, whatever, but emotion has no place in mafia and I'll regret this bullshit when I've calmed down tomorrow. Kind of.
What.
Are you a wolf after all? The possibility that they were both town is very real and very possible. Blindly going after him like that is not a good idea. It's lazy and terrible at best, and incredibly wolfy agenda if not that.
I don't think that's a real thought - that you actually think Cuth looks bad here. That's pure suicide to claim what he did just to get pizza lynched. Did you read his posts? He had real conviction that Pizza was scum, he believed in it, he pushed it, he thought he was lynching a wolf that survived his poison attempt. That play never comes from scum here.
Of course it is, I never said it wasn't, but I'm not letting an ATPG scum read live after he's flipped town, that's stupid. I don't have a strong read on novice anyways, so I'd like that information, I think he's potentially scum, especially after this phase, since I haven't seen much to prove otherwise.
Whatever. I said he looks worse, I stand by that. I have no idea what your problem is.
To be fair, I don't think many were voting for sheer fearlynch. Cuth voted to save novice, novice voted for self-pres, BSmith was pretty bad to be sure, possible scum, Fredwood over the novice case and overall play, Manasi because, uh...
There were valid considerations about his process and content. Several who didn't vote Pizza had them as well.
Probably Bsmith looks worse than Manasi. For Cuth, he has looked pretty town and I don't think he would be so explicit defending partner novice.
I'm pretty sure she called Pizza town for most of this game.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 06:54
Now I'm just irritated. I literally signed up to this game to play with Pizza, and that unfathomably dumb lynch cratered my enjoyment of the game because people are too terrified of the worst case scenario to play the damn game properly.
Next game just lynch him D1 before he can post just in case he's scum, doesn't that sound super logical?
:/
i'm sorry
i'm not going to respond to this any more tonight
just because my mind is on the edge of snapping
but i was
hoping this would not be the outcome
i
ugh
i'm sorry
Of course it is, I never said it wasn't, but I'm not letting an ATPG scum read live after he's flipped town, that's stupid. I don't have a strong read on novice anyways, so I'd like that information, I think he's potentially scum, especially after this phase, since I haven't seen much to prove otherwise.
Whatever. I said he looks worse, I stand by that. I have no idea what your problem is.
What makes Pizza so special that anyone wrong on him is scummy as hell? Also, reread his posts and see if you still scumread him, because I don't know how you do.
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 06:57
I'm pretty sure she called Pizza town for most of this game.
For a scum to tie a vote on a partner is super-risky, even more so when town Pizza is at stake.
For scum Manasi to make this decision if both wagons are town - I'm actually not sure if it looks better than that, or worse.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 07:04
Cuth AFAIK didn't have a strong scum read on Pizza, and he didn't use the poison attempt as justification to lynch Pizza. It was mostly because he had a strong belief in novice being town.
like i said i think? i was around 80% on it
went up after he claimed vt because that made no sense with my results
like i said i think? i was around 80% on it
went up after he claimed vt because that made no sense with my results
Nothing makes sense with your results, other than a roleblock on you.
What makes Pizza so special that anyone wrong on him is scummy as hell? Also, reread his posts and see if you still scumread him, because I don't know how you do.
What are you even talking about?
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 07:08
ok
so fishes of suspicion
towards people who said
not lynching outside novice/pizza
people who said they were townreading pizza and then suddenly not
gh
What are you even talking about?
Completely misread your post, sorry. Forget I said anything.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 07:12
Nothing makes sense with your results, other than a roleblock on you.
which is not the case, again
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 07:18
ok
so fishes of suspicion
towards people who said
not lynching outside novice/pizza
That was only me, I believe. Look for a finer distinction.
About your poisoning ability, it just 'didn't work', right? So if it didn't work, then it's not even a question of whether or not the poisoned would be informed by the host. You or Pizza (and hey, Pizza draws actions by nature) could have been jailed. Some other ability might have interfered. The question is, can you poison again?
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 07:18
eh i misremembered
disregard
i'm an [unintelligent person at this point], sorry
i
dammit
Montmorency
06-26-2017, 07:18
which is not the case, again
How can you know?
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 07:19
That was only me, I believe. Look for a finer distinction.
About your poisoning ability, it just 'didn't work', right? So if it didn't work, then it's not even a question of whether or not the poisoned would be informed by the host. You or Pizza (and hey, Pizza draws actions by nature) could have been jailed. Some other ability might have interfered. The question is, can you poison again?
the answer is, i'm not going to say
and yes it just didn't work
i remembered it badly and i strongly dislike myself right now
For a scum to tie a vote on a partner is super-risky, even more so when town Pizza is at stake.
For scum Manasi to make this decision if both wagons are town - I'm actually not sure if it looks better than that, or worse.
Think Manasi is bold enough to make a move like that as scum, but maybe it's unlikely idk. Think the same about Cuth tbh. Maybe I'm just not thinking clearly.
Cuthillius
06-26-2017, 07:21
ugh ugh ugh ugh
i was HOPING this was exactly what was not going to happen
expletive
ok
well
we'll see what tomorrow brings
hopefully if anyone dies it'll be scum
I've told Sooh that all of her isos seem like just recap and inconclusive.
That being said, her interactions with Pizza seemed relatively normal so there's the slight chance I could be stuck in a tunnel.
I do think that Day 1 their interactions were weirder than Day 2, but I don't really think that she has done anything between those to warrant any sort of switch in a read.
As for what I'm cooking, I'm trying out this (https://www.justataste.com/slow-cooker-crock-pot-honey-garlic-chicken-recipe/) and this (https://www.gimmesomeoven.com/sesame-noodles/).
The house smells divine.
I didn't really interact with Pizza until N1, but ok, I'll take it. I still find it odd that you think I'm scum, but you're doing zero, zilch and nothing to push that read, you're just waiting to see if other people do the work basically and then you can agree and shine because you were first vote on. I find the stand-offish attitude not very pro-town at all.
Also catching up if that wasn't obvious.
This distribution feels advantageous to scum. Askthepizzaguy time to wake up and deploy that fire.
Obviously don't forget that this is a thunderdome, and Pizza can't survive a novice town flip.
Would possibly have liked this post before Pizza's flip. In retrospect I don't and find it kinda scummy, so that's probably why it isn't, because why would scums say this?
So, having some medical/real life issues right now, but since it looks like we die without our role showing, I'm going to claim.
I'm town bulletproof, and 99% sure I was the kill on N1. Wolves know they shot me, and there may or may not be a second component to my role. Maybe it's my own setup design leaking through, but I consider it pretty unlikely to have a full doc + bulletproof both in the setup, so in case they decided to shoot me again tonight wanted to give out the setup info I had.
My first post of game was an attempt to dumbtell a power role, I planned to role play as a newb derp to bait roleblocks/night kills, but I got sucked into the game a bit and it became pretty obvious it wasn't serious.
I'm not fully caught up, and won't be caught up anytime soon (maybe at night, or maybe not until next day phase, assuming everything goes alright), but I'm pretty sure Champ is a wolf, and I'd bet quite a lot on one between El Barto and Manasi, leaning towards the former. I'd also bet a fair bit on there being 1+ in the inactives because I have a lot of town reads on fairly active players - that makes Autolycus/BSmith targets to keep a close eye on.
I think Pizza is town, I think Novice is town, I think Cuth is town, I think CSargo is town, I think Fred is town, I think Sooh is town.
Winston and DP are the lightest of town reads.
Champ
Manasai
El Barto
Autolycus
BSmith
Logic
Montmorency
That's my PoE, with some obvious pairs not knowingly aligned in there.
Vote: Champ in spirit, but not comfortable placing a real vote without having fully caught up.
Won't be around rest of day, glglgl.
I kind of like this derp play tbh.
So you'd rather tie 3 wagons????
Manasi barely has a presence all day, and suddenly when she's getting votes and she's tied with someone else she pops in? And that within a minute of getting that vote?
Do not like. Also don't like her "Oh, I thought you read me town but you don't so you should die" turn on Pizza.
Ugh.
Vote: Novice
This is mostly a protest mechanical vote because I am not wasting a lynch on a town read who could possibly die in the night from poison.
This is an odd statement.
I don't want to waste a lynch on a townie who might die anyway sounds like a scum way of saying that you want two dead townies tbh.
which is not the case, again
How do you know?
If you were told "success" and Pizza wasn't told anything it doesn't make sense. I would think it would be more important to tell someone they had been poisoned than to tell the person who was poisoning them whether or not their action was successful.
Ok caught up. I'll take a look when you US peoples are awake.
Ok caught up. I'll take a look when you US peoples are awake.
I'm awake. But then again, I'm the freak that has to be at work at 5 a.m.
Logic here is a good example.
You can't fake this.
I <3 you logic, please don't be mad at me for being my example.
Askthepizzaguy
Post game, I am going to want to know if you think this means I derp-cleared myself, because I don't see another explanation.
Ok caught up. I'll take a look when you US peoples are awake.
Logic here is a good example.
You can't fake this.
I <3 you logic, please don't be mad at me for being my example.
I'm awake. But then again, I'm the freak that has to be at work at 5 a.m.
Askthepizzaguy
Post game, I am going to want to know if you think this means I derp-cleared myself, because I don't see another explanation.
And for the record, I'm not mad unless the answer is: "lookit this idjut."
Talking to people more than about them?
IDK, you're not like Pokemon. :shrug:
I stand by killing Pizza if novice town. Strongly believe one of them should be lynched today.I thought my process was talking to people more than about them.
The difference that I can tell between this game and the Pokemon game is the amount of time investment. I'm trying a lot harder this game.
But, now I think you are a wolf. I'm not sold on that assessment, but it does seem like a clearer possibility now that Pizza flipped town.
Like this is bullshit.
Everything about it is bullshit.
I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.
And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.
This seems like an overreaction to the simple concept of self preservation.
Don't you dare lynch my town core. Especially if I said you had a tinfoil or were acting "like yourself" this game.
That's pizza code for "I like you, and you're a character, but lol your reads and process in every game"
And for the record, I'm not mad unless the answer is: "lookit this idjut."
Actually, I think I found the answer.
:-(
Logic here is a good example.
You can't fake this.
I <3 you logic, please don't be mad at me for being my example.But I guess I will take the silver lining. Pizza likes me!
Why.
He like 300+ posted in a half dead game, he was possibly poisoned and would die in the night, and he just radiated town who cared. That lynch was worse than any I saw in the championship series.
Yes. Any.
Better him than me. And you obviously haven't seen Pizza scumming.
1.) Understandable
2.) Wat?
Like this is bullshit.
Everything about it is bullshit.
I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.
And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.
The former is understandable. The latter half of novice's statement is possibly true, but I agree that lynching good players because they might be scum is toxic.
This seems like an overreaction to the simple concept of self preservation.
But it isn't JUST simple self-preservation. Novice even tries to give an excuse "but what if Pizza is EVIL!?" The subtext being, if pizza flips scum, I look like a hero!
GeneralHankerchief
06-26-2017, 15:50
Moderator notice: Stop swearing.
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GeneralHankerchief
06-26-2017, 15:52
I plan on being fully up-to-date with the entire game by the time I go to bed tonight (in about 12-13 hours).
Fredwood
06-26-2017, 18:27
Man, did not want to see that. Sucks...I'm inclined to vote for Novice out of respect for mislynching a town Pizza, almost feels like that is owed to him. Those two's fates were tied to each other. I guess I'll see how the night goes and if any new information arises, but if nothing new comes in I'm voting Novice. I don't think his self-pres and attitude adds to my suspicion, it really has no bearing on the course I want to take.
GeneralHankerchief
06-26-2017, 19:01
Man, did not want to see that. Sucks...I'm inclined to vote for Novice out of respect for mislynching a town Pizza, almost feels like that is owed to him. Those two's fates were tied to each other. I guess I'll see how the night goes and if any new information arises, but if nothing new comes in I'm voting Novice. I don't think his self-pres and attitude adds to my suspicion, it really has no bearing on the course I want to take.
Don't necessarily do this, we need to make sure they weren't both town first.
Don't necessarily do this, we need to make sure they weren't both town first.
Well let us know what you think when you're done.
autolycus sup?
crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 19:56
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crimson_snow
06-26-2017, 19:59
I'll be fine now that I've calmed down, just was pretty irritated at that lynch. Still am, but not to the point I can't restrain my frustration/vocabulary.
But it isn't JUST simple self-preservation. Novice even tries to give an excuse "but what if Pizza is EVIL!?" The subtext being, if pizza flips scum, I look like a hero!
Dude, I made that statement after the lynch...
El Barto
06-26-2017, 21:59
I'm not terribly impressed by you either friend.
Oh?
Manasi barely has a presence all day, and suddenly when she's getting votes and she's tied with someone else she pops in? And that within a minute of getting that vote?
Do not like. Also don't like her "Oh, I thought you read me town but you don't so you should die" turn on Pizza.
This is an odd statement.
I don't want to waste a lynch on a townie who might die anyway sounds like a scum way of saying that you want two dead townies tbh.
Interesting points.
Dude, I made that statement after the lynch...
Yes you did. It doesn't change my concern, because you basically said killing pizza is always justified because how good he is as scum.
GeneralHankerchief
06-26-2017, 23:20
I'm starting my catchup. Please tell me Csargo isn't getting townread just because he's using the first several pages of the thread as a personal dumping ground for his entire Office gif collection.
El Barto
06-26-2017, 23:36
I'm starting my catchup. Please tell me Csargo isn't getting townread just because he's using the first several pages of the thread as a personal dumping ground for his entire Office gif collection.
He should be hanged just for that, in my generous opinion.
He should be hanged just for that, in my generous opinion.
Awww.
He should be hanged just for that, in my generous opinion.
Well, that's a stinky thing to say.
Idk why there's so many office haters itt.
El Barto
06-27-2017, 00:27
It is a cheap imitation of a quite decent British show.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 00:39
office lit slay
@Cuthilius, if you could explain the whole poisoning epiphany thing, try to do so - at deadline, so that it can't be exploited.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 00:40
This is how far the multiquoting limit let me go for this post. Halfway through the thread I think.
I think I agree.
"You" here is Jowy, right? Oh, reading on, it's referring to Logic. Meh. I think Jowy is townier tbh.
Oh, interesting that you did have an actual reason for that read. I was wondering what it could be.
Maybe, but he promised in the signup thread that he would do better. Actually he'd probably be more inclined to follow up on that promise as scum than as town.
Not impressed by Csargo, see below, but I really like Crimson's style.
Not being able to produce any reads except townreading your accuser is a red flag.
After following Dp's day 1 mafia play in the championship game I've lost some faith in my ability to tone read him. I'd like to think he should be an easy read eventually though.
I disagree. He changes up his style and tends to be very active, but he doesn't play the helpful townie much. PIS?
I thought I had a quote on Csargo saying Dp101 was the strongest scum read by far so far, to which my kneejerk reaction was "no way". Although after gathering my thoughts so far, it's not such an outrageous statement.
I'll continue catching up in a bit, need to get some work done also.
Okay I read the rest of the thread. I kind of agree that Dp wasn't given much room to breathe there and Crimson pretty much nailed it with his "he could be scum, but it's hard to tell" comment.
To answer Pizza's question from earlier my current top town reads are Crimson and Jowy. Jowy has his normal cocksure persona, as Cuth called it (I think "independent thinker" is a better way to put it), and Crimson just reads townie both in tone and process, really. When someone towns so effortlessly as him you put him in your town list and worry about him being an excellent scum player later.
Notes to self:
Cuth's angle on Monty seems interesting, I should reread that.
Also reread Champ's entrance to the thread to see if Pizza's read makes sense.
This is probably biased due to later events that I'm aware happened, but I'm giving a scumread to novice for these posts largely down to tone. Bit too much hedging and the "Cuth's angle on Monty seems interesting, I should reread that" quote is a big red flag.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 00:49
Enjoy the paranoia about me though, that's always nice. Gearing up to lynch me tomorrow, or maybe today ATPG? I won't go gently into that good night, so just be warned. Do you see any parallels between this game and the Pokemon one ATPG from me? I don't understand why you're trying to throw shade on me right now, considering in this game, you've got the most experience playing with me. I just find it terribly odd. If you come after me though, at least it'll be fun.
This post doesn't sit well with me because a little earlier, Csargo mentioned that he changes up his style a lot.
This post doesn't sit well with me because a little earlier, Csargo mentioned that he changes up his style a lot.
Dp said the same. I wonder.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 01:06
Dp said the same. I wonder.
Good, because I was townreading him anyway.
Good, because I was townreading him anyway.
Maybe, I'm just that bad...
fyi timer should have had 1 more hour
here it is fixed
Deadline for night orders in: tunnel snakes rule
El Barto
06-27-2017, 03:15
Some thoughts on the EOD shenanigans:
Ugh.
Vote: Novice
This is mostly a protest mechanical vote because I am not wasting a lynch on a town read who could possibly die in the night from poison.
OK, but I still don't think crimson_snow or Csargo can be mafia with novice.
LOL wtf
vote: pizza
As the great sage would say: (!)
It's Manasi or novice for me tomorrow.
P.S. how does post #1248 hold in the light of this, Fredwood? Would Manasi's lynch still yield no information?
BARTO PLEASE
You're my favorite.
Don't do this.
Anyway, I have this thing I've been procrastinating on that my boss wants to look at tomorrow afternoon so I will probably not be ITT until around 2 EST tomorrow weeeeee. <3
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 04:28
I'm reheating pizza right now.
Night 2 is over.
DO NOT POST until I say you can.
End of Night 2.
And there in the cold, crimson blood staining the white snow.
https://i.imgur.com/NfLWnYC.png
crimson_snow was a Muton!
He was town!
In other news, Askthepizzaguy has rejoined the living. Though he looks weak, and it's not clear how long he can "live" in this state.
-------
It is now Day Three.
Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule
-------
Living Players: 15
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
Cuthillius
Dp101
El Barto
Fredwood
GeneralHankerchief
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
novice
Sooh
Winston Hughes
------
Dead Players: 2
Jowy - Faceless
crimson_snow - Muton
You can post now.
Note this Day is a little shorter.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 04:37
I'm reheating pizza right now.
This was a claim.
Night, everybody.
This was a claim.
Night, everybody.
I love you.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 04:42
This was a claim.
Night, everybody.
Jesus Christ, a log (or whatever)?
Cuth, what do you have to do with this?
Oh... more Pizza!
D3 and only two townies dead, that's amaze! Only thing that would spice it up some more would be a dead scum.
Does this thing work today?
Vote: Manasi
In b4 GH is some sort of necromancer GF.
I'd like to lynch one of these people today:
novice, Logic, Manasi, Barto.
In b4 GH is some sort of necromancer GF.
Paranoid mindmeld. I came in here to ask if that makes sense from a storyline perspective.
Wait, watch and see for now I guess.
Jesus what. XCOM has no way to bring people back from the dead, so this makes GH an alien (probably a Gatekeeper since sectoids are apparently vanilla and I don't remember any other aliens with revival abilities), since XCOM would literally never expect that and claim it in advance. This is good.
Also if I was scum I'd be tilted/10 at this turn of events.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 05:36
I'd like to lynch one of these people today:
novice, Logic, Manasi, Barto.
yeah, I guess. But how about BSmith and that stealth vote toward but not during EOD?
What Pizza has become btw, though I can't find documentation on "Log", which is what I believed this role is called when it is for a single phase only.
Paranoid mindmeld. I came in here to ask if that makes sense from a storyline perspective.
Wait, watch and see for now I guess.
Dp101 what's the meta on this situation? It seems too convenient for it to be Town-only action, but OK.
Let's say Cuth and GH are legit.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 05:37
"What Pizza has become (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump)"
Dp101 what's the meta on this situation? It seems too convenient for it to be Town-only action, but OK.
Let's say Cuth and GH are legit.
Just outlined it, virtually no chance that GH is scum/Pizza was turned. Why do you clear Cuth? I thought we were still in the position of not understanding what happened?
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 06:10
Just outlined it, virtually no chance that GH is scum/Pizza was turned. Why do you clear Cuth? I thought we were still in the position of not understanding what happened?
The question wasn't of Pizza 'turning', but of scum saving GH's skin by deploying this move in the most apparently pro-town way possible. This power doesn't have to be pro-town in general, so that's where the meta or flavor comes in.
Cuth was very towny, I already considered him that way. It was GH whom I was provisionally adding to the category.
Cuthillius
06-27-2017, 06:20
Jesus Christ, a log (or whatever)?
Cuth, what do you have to do with this?
nothing whatsoever
other than apologize to pizza
Currently, I'm of two minds about the whole Novice situation. On one hand, I worry that the whole Novice/Pizza fight was V/V, and most of Novice's posts ring true to me. On the other hand, Novice has pocketed me successfully in games earlier (who hasn't), and the EoD was active to the point which I feel that scum must have been showing up to save their own. Everything just feels really wifom to me right now, and I don't know why, because nothing that has happened has been inherently wifom. I guess I've just been burned by giving in to paranoia so recently that I don't feel that doing so again is worthwhile, but then again I have been spectacularly wrong on Novice before, but what's the point of even playing if I just disbelieve my own thoughts and don't follow through with them. I don't know anything.
Cuthillius
06-27-2017, 07:56
Currently, I'm of two minds about the whole Novice situation. On one hand, I worry that the whole Novice/Pizza fight was V/V, and most of Novice's posts ring true to me. On the other hand, Novice has pocketed me successfully in games earlier (who hasn't), and the EoD was active to the point which I feel that scum must have been showing up to save their own. Everything just feels really wifom to me right now, and I don't know why, because nothing that has happened has been inherently wifom. I guess I've just been burned by giving in to paranoia so recently that I don't feel that doing so again is worthwhile, but then again I have been spectacularly wrong on Novice before, but what's the point of even playing if I just disbelieve my own thoughts and don't follow through with them. I don't know anything.
csargo
this is town
fite me if you think this is ever not town
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 10:04
Destroy Manasi with fire, destroy BSmith with fire, destroy novice with fire.
Any order.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 10:09
I take back what I said about taking back what I said about Bsmith being lazy.
He's just a wolf.
Sooh now significantly less wolfy than Manasi and I figured one was inside of them. Lynch one is a wolf, resolves the other town.
Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:
Novice: Normal
Novice: dip dip dip
Novice: ain't got much to say
That's wolfy.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 10:11
Gonna have to reiterate why you don't lynch about 10 other people today and please listen to me this time.
Some of you folks, I <3 u, but you're just not getting it.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 10:27
Askthepizzaguy- Because I'm never a wolf and scums lynched me.
autolycus- If Novice is scum, this slot is likely a townie, and he's a shitty low-info lynch regardless. Lynch for partner analysis, not lurker punishment.
Csargo- Because he's town.
Cuthillius- Because he's town.
Dp101- Because he's been trending up but he's still not lock.
El Barto- Maybe he shouldn't be this high. But his slot looks astounding if my scums are correct.
GeneralHankerchief- if he doesn't die by final 3/4 lynch here. Not until, for mechanical reasons.
Logic- Because he tried to help me lynch novice. Plus he's way more pure than everyone below this line.
Montmorency- I almost have an actual town read on this guy. That's astounding.
Winston Hughes- Has townie thoughts I can quote for you. He's good, otherwise he'd be higher.
Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.
I can go in-depth on most of these, but I already did. If you need a refresher ping me and I'll go find it for you, but if I post info in wall form it's not gonna be read apparently.
You only ever lynch below this line today:
Fredwood- starting tomorrow he can be considered again if and only if novice was town. If novice is scum, don't lynch here until super late game.
If someone mechanically clears themselves in my wolf pile, think about him but I dunno too many town indicators.
really only mentioning him because of the 4 wolf probs.
........
long way down.
.......
novice<----still my top scumbag and he always dies this game barring a miracle, but you need to examine these two
BSmith<----This one
Manasi<----This one
If I am here at all, that means to me that there are four scums likely in the setup, not three.
So start preparing for such a possibility.
Tinfoils on my town core welcome, votes not.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 10:31
nothing whatsoever
other than apologize to pizza
Kill wolfs don't apologize
You have my permission to disagree with me on my suspects.
Separate thought:
I'm also going to take a back seat this round except for giving those reads and explaining them.
You guys have work to do and follow-the-virtualmason is not good. You must lead today and make pushes.
I don't even want people to talk to me. Nobody talk to me, especially if I suspect you. Your chance to talk to me was yesterday, you don't have permission anymore. :tongue:
If I suspect you and you're town, you have work to do and you need to start finding wolves and townies properly.
It's up to you to clear yourself. I'm neither your judge jury nor executioner anymore, you are. You decide if this game is where you town it up or not.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 10:34
I mean, you can ask me questions and stuff but my presence is a distraction. I'm not trying to be a dick and go "hurr hurr I'm too good to be spoken to"
Pretend I am still dead, is what I'm saying. It's good for the game.
It's bad when the discussion is follow the cop or follow the mason, neither of which are role claims, just analogies.
Town solves the game by suspects talking, not non-suspects.
That is all from me for now.
Glgl
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 10:45
Ok this comment I wanna respond to.
Also if I was scum I'd be tilted/10 at this turn of events.
Gonna assume a strange setup mechanically
Given: no role reveals on death, just alignment
Given also: Me
Zack has lots of hosting experience scums have something worth this kind of headache for balance.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 11:00
I am re-reading the whole.danged.game one.more.time, feeling like this and every single townie should as well:
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Will post everything I find before end of round.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 11:34
Pizza, I would strongly recommend not holding anything back between now and EOD.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 11:47
Pizza, I would strongly recommend not holding anything back between now and EOD.
Order of operations.
Everyone else posts their thoughts/reads/analysis
Then I do.
Follow the clear is bad for analysis and bad for the game.
My wording above is strong and maybe misleading, but people absolutely need to be able to have space, clear themselves if that's at all possible when they're in such a bad position suspected by a known townie, because if those suspicions are wrong it's a free round.
Suspects and non-clear townies alike need freedom. Otherwise it becomes capo-y, and you know what I'm getting at. That's not freedom and it's bad for fun and the game itself.
Don't worry, my thoughts will be visible. But this is the tango where I don't lead. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 11:48
promise even if I'm not talking I'm still working in the background and will speak before eod.
No worries.
Now I must vanish, taken up too much thread presence as it is.
Askthepizzaguy
06-27-2017, 12:30
If scum day vig takes me out my leans as of n2 were posted at start of round anyway. So I'm not worried.
Just looking to update/reverse/amend and look at my townies carefully.
csargo
this is town
fite me if you think this is ever not town
Yeah, i thought Dp101's post EoD was good, I feel better about him currently.
Askthepizzaguy - super town duh
autolycus - meh
BSmith - scummy
Csargo - super town
Cuthillius - slight town
Dp101 - kinda town
El Barto - gutread kinda scummy?
Fredwood - null/slight town
GeneralHankerchief - returned pizza, prolly town
Logic - kinda scummy
Manasi - scummy
Montmorency - null/kinda town
novice - scummy
Sooh - kinda town
Winston Hughes - town
These are my vague thoughts before I have to go to work. GH/Barto are up in the air imo, I don't feel great about those. Logic/BSmith also sort of idk, need to look at Logic's iso again. BSmith is meh.
"What Pizza has become (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump)"
So a temporary tree stump is a log?
So a temporary tree stump is a log?
Too much philosophizing for my blood, I'm out.
I'm def not a clever man...
Sooh now significantly less wolfy than Manasi and I figured one was inside of them. Lynch one is a wolf, resolves the other town.
I don't get why one HAS TO be inside one of us. Also don't get how this call was made early D1. It's not like I'm a great Manasi reader by any stretch of imagination, nor do I think she has played enough with me to know when I'm a wolf so easily. I mean, I believe her to be a wolf this game based on stuff later in the game mainly, but you declared this on D1.
I'd like to lynch Manasi today btw. If that wasn't clear already.
Sooh- resolve Manasi first. If she's scum, Sooh gets a reprieve.And if not?
Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:
Novice: Normal
Novice: dip dip dip
Novice: ain't got much to say
That's wolfy.
So now my day one was normal? Ever heard of confirmation bias?
I can't compete with your frenzy, Pizza. And frankly, being tunneled by a dead wrong townie (literally) with superior debating skills does not help.
I'll offer some observations at my own pace later.
autolycus
06-27-2017, 13:29
I'm back, read the all of D1 and first half of D2 then skimmed to the end. A few quick takes before I run to work:
Champ saving csargo and GH voting csargo after replacing Champ suggests GH/csargo not buddies.
I was leaning town for Novice before wagons, and still do. Accordingly, we should look in both wagons:
Vote:Dp101 is my first take in the pizza wagon, with Fred not far behind
Monty and csargo are my quicktake scum leans in the Novice wagon.
Be back for a little bit in about four hours.
I don't get why one HAS TO be inside one of us. Also don't get how this call was made early D1. It's not like I'm a great Manasi reader by any stretch of imagination, nor do I think she has played enough with me to know when I'm a wolf so easily. I mean, I believe her to be a wolf this game based on stuff later in the game mainly, but you declared this on D1.
I'd like to lynch Manasi today btw. If that wasn't clear already.
Just like every other day...
Just like every other day...
Tunnel of death.
I figured I would do 2 easy ISOs, since I have limited time:
The ISO of Bsmith is rather quick: he has 5 posts total. I understand leaving over the weekend and taking some time to get caught up, but here is everything he has to say, with two relevant posts from Csargo in the middle.
Random Gods tell me to vote: Sooh though I am tempted to vote for one of the no lynchers.
Yeah. Sorry about lurking today. I'm on vacation through this weekend so things are a little off. That and I am never that talkative let alone on D1 when there really isn't much solid to go on other than tone and meta analysis, which absent gross incompetence usually isn't indicative. Most of my time is just going to keeping up. But at least the noise ratio is lower this game than other recent D1s. Don't expect much from me the next couple of days.
I've been in the car the past two days and have a ton of catching up to do. Can anyone give me the Cliff's Notes version of D2 so far?
Cuth, Dp going after pizza. Pizza going after novice with a side of Logic. idk what else.
Also, GH in the game now.
Thanks Caargo. Trying to catch up but afternoon is filled with unpacking, etc. I will get a vote in before EoD.
Mostly caught up, I'll admit I skimmed a lot so some of the finer nuance may be lost on me. I'm going to go with vote: pizza here. I frankly find Cuth's logic and counter to pizza's push much more convincing and the fact that pizza has been ignoring it tips the scales for me.
D1 is just a random vote with an explanation of why he will be gone. Not indicative of alignment.
D2 he reiterates his absence, thanks Csargo for a summary, and then votes Pizza after believing Cuthillius over Pizza.
Overall, I give Bsmith a null, with a slight wolf lean. I don't think his little bit implicates anyone else, but I find it unlikely that he would talk to his teammates with only 5 posts, so if Bsmith is a wolf, I give Cuth and Csargo slightly better town leans.
Auto has made 2 posts:
Multicultural? We are a multi-species community, not merely a multicultural community. You must be XCOM :P !
Vote:Novice
I'm back, read the all of D1 and first half of D2 then skimmed to the end. A few quick takes before I run to work:
Champ saving csargo and GH voting csargo after replacing Champ suggests GH/csargo not buddies.
I was leaning town for Novice before wagons, and still do. Accordingly, we should look in both wagons:
Vote:Dp101 is my first take in the pizza wagon, with Fred not far behind
Monty and csargo are my quicktake scum leans in the Novice wagon.
Be back for a little bit in about four hours.
Now auto I don't get, but it's probably because he has so little to say. Why is he voting Dp101? I don't think DP is by any means cleared, but if auto is caught up as he claims, he should know that people are likely to take this day to vote for either Manasi or novice, so why start out off-wagon?
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