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EnderWiggin
01-12-2025, 23:45
Top tier thought:
Hally snowing everyone again because of one good bus on Visor.

I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me. I don't know if I believe in Taffy being w to even self-pres there.

EnderWiggin
01-12-2025, 23:46
Vote: Cape

Syn
01-12-2025, 23:47
I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me.

:confused:

Totally not Taffy
01-12-2025, 23:54
I need to go to bed so I have to stop being a coward

Vote: Ladd

also Ender asked very nicely not to bus

Hally
01-13-2025, 00:19
man i just don’t get what ender is doing if he’s a wolf

unvote

i hate this game

ladd
01-13-2025, 00:20
Sap

Exausted but ill be around for a bit

Hally
01-13-2025, 00:22
ender is town reading all the people he could actually mislunch and going for me/cape instead ???

i’m kinda talking myself into to pulling the trigger on ladd lol

ladd
01-13-2025, 00:45
can you quote some of these sentences?

there was on d2 that triggered that post in particular but i cant find it atm. still:


ngl I feel like I would've been a better clear I played what was probably my best town game ever over the holidays and it was largely bc I got to be cleared town for four days

I mean I'm happy for Cuth and I guess he had a better chance of being a wolf but I'm the one who gets misyeeted every game

idk this seemed believable when i read it


not a planned bus but if they felt certain town!Wisdom was going to get yeeted might've been planned distancing for after one of them flipped later
I'm glad you said it's tinfoil bc that's stuff to consider in FX not now

this one i noted cause it seemed not w/w with ender

ladd
01-13-2025, 00:47
what makes my confidence villagery and Taffy's confidence wolfy?

you seemed like a villager who had a wolfread they suddenly believed in (taffy) while taffy seemed like a wolf who was trying to create a narrative wrt wisdom/rask

ladd
01-13-2025, 00:51
Top tier thought:
Hally snowing everyone again because of one good bus on Visor.

I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me. I don't know if I believe in Taffy being w to even self-pres there.

hally being a villager has nothing to do with visor (at least for me). Them being a wolf would probably be the most surprising flip since lissa flipping villager in anni 2020 for me lmao




i am just as lost as everyone else tbh. taffy post seems a bit more narrating what happened rather than saying why it is wolfy to me but also the stuff giving me cold feet on them keeps adding up so uh ya not confident at all

ladd
01-13-2025, 00:51
if hally/cuth can consolidate on someone not named me, i'll sheep them

Hally
01-13-2025, 00:53
if hally/cuth can consolidate on someone not named me, i'll sheep them
i’m just so lost, i really have no idea

honestly can’t remember the last time i had such little idea what to do in a game lmao

every time i think about voting someone it seems wrong


what do you think about ender?

ladd
01-13-2025, 00:55
Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861908&viewfull=1#post2053861908) and D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862575&viewfull=1#post2053862575). I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861619&viewfull=1#post2053861619) townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861638&viewfull=1#post2053861638) agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861768&viewfull=1#post2053861768) Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861785&viewfull=1#post2053861785) to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861796&viewfull=1#post2053861796) vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862146&viewfull=1#post2053862146) he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862195&viewfull=1#post2053862195) that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862295&viewfull=1#post2053862295) it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862382&viewfull=1#post2053862382) me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862582&viewfull=1#post2053862582) Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.



Like this is more what I did (afk eod1, pushing wisdom d2, sheeping waza) but reading this paragraph I dont get why taffy thinks my post are wolfy

ladd
01-13-2025, 00:57
i’m just so lost, i really have no idea

honestly can’t remember the last time i had such little idea what to do in a game lmao

every time i think about voting someone it seems wrong


what do you think about ender?

uh weird play starting d1 from him if he is a wolf but tbh i havent villa read a singe thought he has made all game i think, it's just the conlusion he comes to that makes me worried he is a villager

but applying the Apoc rule maybe that makes him a wolf?

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:00
vaimes nk is also a point against him i guess since vaimes basically said he was gonna lunch him before endgame iirc

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:09
Like this is more what I did (afk eod1, pushing wisdom d2, sheeping waza) but reading this paragraph I dont get why taffy thinks my post are wolfy
this is a pattern across her posts i feel like

even with her wisdom/rask thing which was her most significant contribution so far i commented at the time that it seemed more like narrating what they did than explaining why it was wolfy

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:09
this is a tunnel? that's news to me. i think for a read to be a tunnel, i would have to talk about nobody else (which i have) and be unwilling to compromise on my position (which i'm not)

cuth is clear (~*allegedly*~)
hally and cape are my strongest townreads
syn is apparently suuuper town, which. i'm morbidly curious what he plays like when he's scummy
i don't super get the ladd sus, i had him on the same level as rask before he flipped
i'm probably going to kill ender at some point because i have a pea brain
taffy and maple kind of just exist. with their words-to-impressions ratio, i wouldn't be shocked if there was a wolf there

.

(they didnt wanna kill maple by eod is the only read they changed)



Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.



Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.



"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"



And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)


----

I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.

.

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:15
this is a pattern across her posts i feel like

even with her wisdom/rask thing which was her most significant contribution so far i commented at the time that it seemed more like narrating what they did than explaining why it was wolfy

yea now the 1 million dollar question - is it wolfy for taffy?


(i checked a villa game on here and they didnt do all this narrating...so maybe?)

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:15
if i strictly judged based on her content i would probably say taffy is a wolf but she has all these passing comments that strike me as villagery

it’s just stuff that doesn’t really have anything to do with actual solving

so maybe that should be concerning lol

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:16
with ender my problem is that i know what his reads are but I dont really I feel I know why

i feel if he is a villager a huge part of this game is in his head rather than the thread and that makes it hard to read him (not judging, i often play like that too. Just saying why i am finding it hard to read u)

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:17
if i strictly judged based on her content i would probably say taffy is a wolf but she has all these passing comments that strike me as villagery

it’s just stuff that doesn’t really have anything to do with actual solving

so maybe that should be concerning lol
similarly i don’t town read ender’s content at all, i’m just confused at the line he’s taking if he’s a wolf

feels like he’s making the game harder for himself for no reason

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:20
i didn’t really feel like taffy/ender seemed w/w from their last pop in

like taffy made the comment that she’s not gonna bus ender lol

also the read on ender trying to roleswap with rask seems real regardless of taffy’s alignment

so idk who even works with taffy

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:22
vote: Taffy

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:22
i didn’t really feel like taffy/ender seemed w/w from their last pop in

like taffy made the comment that she’s not gonna bus ender lol

also the read on ender trying to roleswap with rask seems real regardless of taffy’s alignment

so idk who even works with taffy

Cape

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Hally
01-13-2025, 01:25
Cape

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he’s been casing her the entire game lol

it’s more likely to ladd imo if she’s getting bussed

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:30
ladd how confident are you in syn being a villager?

if the vaimes kill points to anyone it’s syn

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:32
ladd how confident are you in syn being a villager?

if the vaimes kill points to anyone it’s syn

they seem like a villager to em and everyone who knows them thought/thinks they were a villager, i am not gonna consider until f-x

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:34
to me*


(i am around just multi tasking i am still down to sheep cuth/hally on anyone not named me)

Cape90
01-13-2025, 01:34
ugh i kinda wanna reread syn today

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:35
whens eod? sorry

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:35
ugh i kinda wanna reread syn today

you have 24 minutes

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:36
whens eod? sorry

you also have 24 minutes

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:36
to me*


(i am around just multi tasking i am still down to sheep cuth/hally on anyone not named me)
i don’t think i wanna be sheeped xDD

Cape90
01-13-2025, 01:36
if there is something that kind of bothers me about syn right now is they are seemingly jumping on whatever bandwagon/train thing that is popular with consensus

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:37
vote: syn

siw i really think its not ladd and i think the way you handled eod yesterday just doesnt comes from a villager

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:37
he’s been casing her the entire game lol

it’s more likely to ladd imo if she’s getting bussed

he unvoted her for no reason d2 and then killed wisdom while saying wisdom was town, because, in his over-explaining SOD post, he thought wisdom wolf meant taffy town (?)

he's never actually seriously tried to pursue a taffy chop

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:38
if there is something that kind of bothers me about syn right now is they are seemingly jumping on whatever bandwagon/train thing that is popular with consensus

i switch wagons to try and make things happen yes

you'll note I just pushed taffy into the lead

or did, maybe someone switched again

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:39
i switch wagons to try and make things happen yes

you'll note I just pushed taffy into the lead

or did, maybe someone switched again

switching between the consensus wagon and the wagon the confirmed v is pushing is not making things happen

thats just pushing the consensus lol

Cape90
01-13-2025, 01:40
he unvoted her for no reason d2 and then killed wisdom while saying wisdom was town, because, in his over-explaining SOD post, he thought wisdom wolf meant taffy town (?)

he's never actually seriously tried to pursue a taffy chop

just because nobody was listening to me and defending Taffy doesn't mean I was not seriously pursuing a taffy chop

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:40
meow meow meow

i just dont see all that as real thoughts

Cape90
01-13-2025, 01:41
just because nobody was listening to me and defending Taffy doesn't mean I was not seriously pursuing a taffy chop

in fact, the only person who listened to my serious push and acted on that

WAS YOU YESTERDAY LMAO

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:41
switching between the consensus wagon and the wagon the confirmed v is pushing is not making things happen

thats just pushing the consensus lol

has cuth even posted today

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:41
has cuth even posted today

today as in IRL today when most interactions with taffy even happened

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:43
wdym

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:44
if there is something that kind of bothers me about syn right now is they are seemingly jumping on whatever bandwagon/train thing that is popular with consensus


just because nobody was listening to me and defending Taffy doesn't mean I was not seriously pursuing a taffy chop


in fact, the only person who listened to my serious push and acted on that

WAS YOU YESTERDAY LMAO

https://media.tenor.com/IOqlNsLYVAgAAAAM/well-so-im-done.gif

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:44
waza did specifically mention taffy as someone we could misclearing

though he wasn’t around the second half of the day when taffy made the bulk of her posts so we don’t know what he thought about those

and really anyone would kill waza N1 imo

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:44
wdym

how can I just be coasting on the wagon confirmed v is pushing if aforementioned confirmed v is not here pushing, and I am the one interacting with the push and picking apart their arguments/posts

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:46
im talking about yesterday

you appllied the same argument to yesterday

and today you arent even really shaking things up cause there isnt really much TO shake up

i got taken off the table and now youre big chillin

seems like Just A Wolf in this gamestate

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:46
im talking about yesterday

you appllied the same argument to yesterday

and today you arent even really shaking things up cause there isnt really much TO shake up

i got taken off the table and now youre big chillin

seems like Just A Wolf in this gamestate

sorry, I'll do what hally, ladd, and ender did and say "oh my god, I am SO lost guys"

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:47
tbh i don’t think syn jumping around different wagons is wolfy for him

Gemma
01-13-2025, 01:48
votal

taffy - ladd, cuth, syn
ladd - cape, taffy
cape - ender
syn - maple

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:48
tbh i don’t think syn jumping around different wagons is wolfy for him

im saying that he clearly didnt care when the wagons were v/v/v

and like

yall obviously cared

thats the difference

if we hit a wolf yesterday? it would be villagery as fuck

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:50
im saying that he clearly didnt care when the wagons were v/v/v

and like

yall obviously cared

thats the difference

if we hit a wolf yesterday? it would be villagery as fuck

cyclic argument that self-agrees, given that I have no way of knowing the wagons are supposedly v/v/v

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:51
you're right that I don't care though

Cape90
01-13-2025, 01:51
Vote: Syn

Yeah I think this is a hit regardless of Taffy or whoever else

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:52
Vote: Syn

Yeah I think this is a hit regardless of Taffy or whoever else

why

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:52
cyclic argument that self-agrees, given that I have no way of knowing the wagons are supposedly v/v/v

mhm but a wolf sure would!

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:53
mhm but a wolf sure would!

big if true

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:53
it is kind of amusing that maple and cape waited until the last minute to do this

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:54
tbh if you’re expecting syn to overtly give a shit about things i think you have the wrong expectations for what kind of player he is lol

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:55
idk seems right

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:56
vote:ender

Gemma
01-13-2025, 01:56
votal

taffy - cuth, syn
syn - maple, cape
ladd - taffy
cape - ender
ender - ladd

eod in 4 minutes

Syn
01-13-2025, 01:57
great wagons lol

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:57
i dont feel so good lmao

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:57
i don’t know what to do

Cape90
01-13-2025, 01:57
why

His view of saying i am w/w with Taffy makes absolutely no sense. And it's a gut feeling based on that and everything else that looked sketchy about how he moved around wagons which I talked about in my huge paragraph post thing at SoD

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:58
His view of saying i am w/w with Taffy makes absolutely no sense. And it's a gut feeling based on that and everything else that looked sketchy about how he moved around wagons which I talked about in my huge paragraph post thing at SoD

i mean tbf its true that you did not push taffy in high leverage situation (tho i really doubt u guis are w/w)



i dunno if syn is a wolf i am a dummie but i am not really feeling it

Maple
01-13-2025, 01:58
ughhhhh

Cape90
01-13-2025, 01:59
because there are some aspects in which syn looks like he does care about who goes over , but this is shown at EoD's instead of other times

Hally
01-13-2025, 01:59
if syn or taffy flip wolf i don’t actually know if i’d clear the other

but i think cape isn’t with either and isn’t with ender either

ladd
01-13-2025, 01:59
vote:taffy

idk sorry if wrong

Hally
01-13-2025, 02:00
vote taffy

ladd
01-13-2025, 02:00
because there are some aspects in which syn looks like he does care about who goes over , but this is shown at EoD's instead of other times

i mean thats kinda what eods are for? but i get what u are saying i guess

Hally
01-13-2025, 02:00
probably wrong but oh well

i don’t know what i’m supposed to do when people don’t do anything until like 10 minutes before EoD

Maple
01-13-2025, 02:01
glgl

Cape90
01-13-2025, 02:01
i mean thats kinda what eods are for? but i get what u are saying i guess

i meant like in a wolfy and incorrect way lol, like hes shifting off wolves (looks at EoD 1)

Gemma
01-13-2025, 02:01
votal

taffy - cuth, syn, ladd, hally
syn - maple, cape
ladd - taffy
cape - ender

taffy yeeted flip inc

Gemma
01-13-2025, 02:05
Taffy was:
A lazy and unfairly incompetent State Investigator, also a Bolshevik

You are Mafia. Your partners are x and x. You have been cordially invited to join the wolfchat: https://discord.gg/s69x420zD69 (https://tinyurl.com/smzc7v98) (you will accept, of course)

I turned around and through the back window I saw a shadow in the middle of the street. All the sadness of the world was concentrated in that shadow, framed by the strict rectangle of the Impala’s window.

Twice per game at night, target a player to learn if any actions were performed by or on that player that night.

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.

n3 and all that

Gemma
01-13-2025, 04:32
flavor filler!

I asked if she was still there.
She said she’d come by.
It’s snowing again, I warned.
Books scattered.
Useless for love making.
6 months since I’d brought a girl
to my place.
Emphatic, categorical, she pointed out
a fly squashed
on the other side of the window.
Like spitting at a mirror, I recalled.
A kind of poet.
Carefree and happy.

Dels
01-14-2025, 02:15
gemma says, "hally died, was vt".

day start!

Syn
01-14-2025, 02:17
you're right that I don't care though

this was a lie I was sweatin' bad at the end there

Syn
01-14-2025, 02:18
cape explain your hell push at the end there

Syn
01-14-2025, 02:19
maple if you say you neighbourized hally I'm going to tunnel you all day probably

Maple
01-14-2025, 02:20
yeah that's a real bitch isnt it LMAO

Syn
01-14-2025, 03:52
vote: Maple

Syn
01-14-2025, 03:54
there is probably no point to me asking this but what did you two talk about, what did Hally say, what are her thots

Syn
01-14-2025, 05:06
i am so alone

Cape90
01-14-2025, 05:25
So letting go of that was quite dumb of me. My head was 1000% at there HAVING to be one in Taffy or Syn yesterday. The NK on Vaimes pointed there AND mafia never killing me pointed to me being wrong on Taffy, it made me lose confidence in the push along with some of the stuff Hally was saying about "oh this is just normal gameplay for Taffy" like man, I should have known that the way Taffy was going after Wisdom day 1 looked really agenda'd. Honestly, coming into today I was about to still be voting Syn, but I really don't think Syn and Taffy are paired (and honestly for pretty weak reasons overall, but it's better then other people alive rn). Well if people wanted to kill Taffy days 1 and 2, I would have happily held my vote there and not swapped off, in an alternate timeline me and Wisdom could have been town confirmed masons :( (aka I would say this to Wisdom, Wisdom would be like ??? and i would just be like "just roll with it").

Doubt just made me re-eval after Wisdom died because I trusted Hally and also wanted to look into other slots in that night and doing that made other almost every other slot look iffy to me (minus hally/cuth). IDK it's just like at that moment, Syn being mafia felt more correct to me and maybe i was correct in that Taffy might have showed a lack of TMI with the visor comment day 1 (well I said their comment spewed visor town, but then visor flipped mafia, so I had to consider the possibility that either i was wrong on that or that it just was a lack of TMI, then I saw more things that looked clearing for Wisdom then Visor overall when I was doing this sort of re analysis day 2, where the bulk of the reasoning behind my push comes from).

Obviously it's safe to say Cuth is probably town now that we only have 1 mafia left so there isn't any like fake despo check shenanigans (aka tinfoil of ladd and cuth team)

Cape90
01-14-2025, 05:27
You know what the annoying thing is

I could see the reason behind why Maple would choose Hally to go into hood with them based on Maple's read on Hally. At the same time... like come on man

Cape90
01-14-2025, 05:30
You know what the annoying thing is

I could see the reason behind why Maple would choose Hally to go into hood with them based on Maple's read on Hally. At the same time... like come on man

if maple is town that is

which ofc could have been an elaborate set up into believable "hood claim" into NK

Syn
01-14-2025, 05:48
To avoid the wolves killing who I neighbourize, I will randomly pick from the surviving players

*picks the towniest player tinfoiled by no one who is obviously killed*

ah, nevertheless,

Syn
01-14-2025, 05:49
cape I do not understand your explanation at all ngl but cool you don't want to kill me anymore (until EOD)

Syn
01-14-2025, 05:50
I don't understand these roles man. why do the wolves have so much stuff

is this psychological warfare from gemma

Gemma
01-14-2025, 05:56
flavor

I turned around slowly. I knew it. Jan was watching me from the window. I waved my arms in the air. Jan shouted something unintelligible and leaned farther out. I jumped. Jan responded by moving his head back to front and then in circles, faster and faster. I was afraid that he would throw himself out the window. I started to laugh. The passersby stared at me, and then they looked up and saw Jan, who was lifting his leg, pretending to kick a cloud. He’s my friend, I said. We just moved here a few days ago. He’s wishing me luck. I’m on my way out to look for work. Oh, well, that’s nice, what a good friend, someone said, and walked on, smiling.


votal

maple - syn

Syn
01-14-2025, 06:12
there is probably no point to me asking this but what did you two talk about, what did Hally say, what are her thots

and why didn't you write a poem about taffy so you could theoretically motion detect someone n4

ladd
01-14-2025, 06:19
yeah that's a real bitch isnt it LMAO

I cannot believe you genuinely picked hally

There were like 99% dying tonight



Otoh i also dont see how wolves have 3 prs and villas just 2 cause that makes like no sense either imo

Anyway syn is a villager, cuth is a villager, cape is a villager alas its ender or maple. I actually thought it was just ender overnight but hally target is wtf

ladd
01-14-2025, 06:21
vote:ender

Still this makes the most sense sadly

Ill be vastly afk this dayphase cause its 2 weekdays

ladd
01-14-2025, 08:39
Ill try to re read taffy and what everyone said about taffy later tonight or tomorrow and i remember hally thinking ender/taffy was maybe not w/w but they also thought cape/taffy was not w/w and i personally just dont see it being syn

Cape90
01-14-2025, 08:52
Hey
So I was laying in my bed and it got me thinking...

So I was widely regarded as town day 1. I put a decent amount of pressure on a mafia member, asked people to flash wagon to that mafia member, then swapped my vote from that mafia member to another mafia member.

So why in the world did waza die over me n1?
I kinda want to check this because it doesn't make sense to me right now, but I feel it might point to the last mafia

Cape90
01-14-2025, 08:53
Also that makes me think ladd isn't mafia probably?

Syn
01-14-2025, 08:54
her posts are a short read

I reiterate that she and cape vaguely sniped at each other but turned away when it counted

Syn
01-14-2025, 08:55
where I'm at right now is just assuming ladd is town, cuth is town

based purely on gameplay maple is most likely to be wolf (mech is just fucked though), then cape, then ender

ladd
01-14-2025, 08:55
Hey
So I was laying in my bed and it got me thinking...

So I was widely regarded as town day 1. I put a decent amount of pressure on a mafia member, asked people to flash wagon to that mafia member, then swapped my vote from that mafia member to another mafia member.

So why in the world did waza die over me n1?
I kinda want to check this because it doesn't make sense to me right now, but I feel it might point to the last mafia

Cause you were more mislunchable than waza who was basically clear and was on the wolf while you defended said wolf at eod

I dont think anyone expected you to die. Nk options for n1 were like hally/waza/vaimes

Your nk would have been weird and point to taffy way too much iyam

Syn
01-14-2025, 08:57
where I'm at right now is just assuming ladd is town, cuth is town

based purely on gameplay maple is most likely to be wolf (mech is just fucked though), then cape, then ender

the mech is where I'm struggling. if you assume maple has to be town because of wolf powers, like hally and ladd do/did, it's still not remotely equal and there is nothing for the wolves to do except twiddle their thumbs

Syn
01-14-2025, 09:00
I absolutely do not accept cape's attempt at portraying himself like a power town wunderkind

ladd
01-14-2025, 09:08
the mech is where I'm struggling. if you assume maple has to be town because of wolf powers, like hally and ladd do/did, it's still not remotely equal and there is nothing for the wolves to do except twiddle their thumbs

Yea setup is a bit confusing either way but 3 wolf powers vs 2 villa prs is like..why? And wolves even have a vanillizer..for 2 villa prs of which 1 they cant vanillize

Idk just so weird if maple is a wolf

Weird if maple v too but a bit less so

Gemma
01-14-2025, 10:16
flavor

Mr. Teófilo Cid isn’t here.
Rain over that strange city, Santiago of the
New Extreme.
Mr. Cid walks along gray streets.
Mousy hair, beady mouse eyes,
In a neutral dusk.
Coats, slickers, red jackets the rain blows
Any which way.
Mr. Teófilo Cid rather drunk,
In this city of his,
Fleeing beneath the rain.
The only reality of these words.


votal

maple - syn
ender - ladd

Syn
01-14-2025, 10:20
vote: Cape

EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 14:28
I want to formally apologise to Hally. Yesterday I got very doom and gloom and thought we were lost and I was in a pile with townies for the wolves to feast on.

Meanwhile Hally and Ladd just yeeted a wolf instead.

Vote: Maple

I don't think Syn is ever a wolf with how Taffy shaded them. Taffy, however, was very curious/cautious about asking people how they read the Maple EOD, which makes me think that's a much more likely hit.

Ladd could have just done a ruthless bus yesterday but breaking the tie and pushing Taffy to the lead means I'm going to slap a town label on there. (And it's an excuse to hold onto my townread despite the reasons not really having gone anyway cool.)

EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 14:29
Maybe also apologise to Cape if Maple flips wolf but I'm still nursing the secret desire for Cape to be the last wolf.

Cuth is also just clear, and I think Ladd looks better for Taffy being a wolf. Thinning POE while your one living partner is in POE... just feels bad ya know?

ladd
01-14-2025, 16:48
I want to formally apologise to Hally. Yesterday I got very doom and gloom and thought we were lost and I was in a pile with townies for the wolves to feast on.

Meanwhile Hally and Ladd just yeeted a wolf instead.

Vote: Maple

I don't think Syn is ever a wolf with how Taffy shaded them. Taffy, however, was very curious/cautious about asking people how they read the Maple EOD, which makes me think that's a much more likely hit.

Ladd could have just done a ruthless bus yesterday but breaking the tie and pushing Taffy to the lead means I'm going to slap a town label on there. (And it's an excuse to hold onto my townread despite the reasons not really having gone anyway cool.)

I mean I dont disagree but what do u think about maple pr claim?

Cuthillius
01-14-2025, 19:17
humh

i gotta reread

i just don't think cape has it in him to wolf like this

i tend to agree with ladd that ender seems more reasonable here with role stuff but i do want to look over that arc later to confirm

seems a bit sloppy distancing wise from visor if so though

vote: ender

ladd
01-14-2025, 20:03
Also that makes me think ladd isn't mafia probably?

Why?

Syn
01-14-2025, 20:38
Taffy, however, was very curious/cautious about asking people how they read the Maple EOD, which makes me think that's a much more likely hit.

Why does this make you think Maple is wolf instead of town?

Syn
01-14-2025, 20:41
humh

i gotta reread

i just don't think cape has it in him to wolf like this


I don't understand this. Is there something special about the way Cape is playing? It just seems like ordinary gameplay to me

Cuthillius
01-14-2025, 23:16
I don't understand this. Is there something special about the way Cape is playing? It just seems like ordinary gameplay to me

mm it's like

pretty specific and organic to me

like going all in but kinda all over the place but in a way that still feels understandable

wolves have a hard time maintaining that sort of oomph in that sort of way, and tend a lot more to lean on specific ideas or thoughts where they know they have a consistent through-line

and idk i'd be very impressed if cape could do this sort of stuff as w (from what i remember reading off the top of my head)

EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 23:34
I mean I dont disagree but what do u think about maple pr claim?

It has nothingburgered enough that I don't care about it.

EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 23:36
Why does this make you think Maple is wolf instead of town?

Because they're not really trying to lean towards wolfreading Maple, it feels more like they're testing the water.

Gemma
01-14-2025, 23:40
flavor
They had come to the restaurant in three separate cars. Rosa Amalfitano was riding with Chucho Flores. Charly Cruz and Rosa Méndez were riding with silent Corona. Fate drove alone, following the other two cars closely, and more than once, when they seemed to be driving in endless circles around the city, he thought about honking his horn and abandoning the convoy—there was something absurd and childish about it, though he couldn’t say exactly what—and heading for the Sonora Resort to write his story about the brief fight he’d just witnessed. Maybe Campbell would still be there and could explain whatever it was he’d missed. Although it’s not as if there was anything to understand, if you thought about it. Pickett knew how to fight and Fernández didn’t, it was that simple. Or maybe it would be better to skip the Sonora Resort and just drive straight to the border, to Tucson, where he was sure to find a cybercafé at the airport, and write his story, exhausted and without thinking about what he was writing, and then fly to New York, where everything would take on the consistency of reality again.

votal

ender - ladd, cuth
cape - syn
maple - ender

EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 23:42
I did a reread this morning. Cape's treatment around Taffy is actually clearing, as much as I regret to say it.

Like as wolf pulling the "If Taffy w then Visor probably town?" hat when partner is being run up D1, you can then turnaround and use that same logic to try clearing Taffy without it looking that sus. Instead Cape just was like "Nah actually nevermind I still want Taffy."

I know some wolves I could see doing that. But those are few and kinda ruthless. I don't think Cape is one and I don't think how he treated it is like one.

Especially if you're going to spend so long doing that then when the wagon pops up you don't then get caught on the counterwagon.

Cape90
01-14-2025, 23:45
I absolutely do not accept cape's attempt at portraying himself like a power town wunderkind

Okay, then I am a sloppy power town wunderkind :bow:

Cape90
01-14-2025, 23:46
Vote: Maple.

The real question is:
Is Maple lolcatting?

Cape90
01-14-2025, 23:48
The longer I stayed alive the paranoid I got that I was on the wrong track in terms of my push on Taffy, which is usually what happens when I'm tunneling someone incorrectly

Cape90
01-14-2025, 23:48
EBWOP: The more paranoid

Cape90
01-15-2025, 00:03
Why?

I was thinking Hally was moreso the NK choice if you are mafia over waza. That was my thought process after I made that post anyways.

Syn
01-15-2025, 00:49
I did a reread this morning. Cape's treatment around Taffy is actually clearing, as much as I regret to say it.

Like as wolf pulling the "If Taffy w then Visor probably town?" hat when partner is being run up D1, you can then turnaround and use that same logic to try clearing Taffy without it looking that sus. Instead Cape just was like "Nah actually nevermind I still want Taffy."

I know some wolves I could see doing that. But those are few and kinda ruthless. I don't think Cape is one and I don't think how he treated it is like one.

Especially if you're going to spend so long doing that then when the wagon pops up you don't then get caught on the counterwagon.

vote: Ender

Syn
01-15-2025, 05:11
where maple

EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 05:51
where maple

Frozen and crying in mafia chat.

Maple
01-15-2025, 06:26
okay i just finished endgaming the mash on mu

im dead tired

but i won!

i'll post my shit tomorrow morning

hally and i talked about a bunch of shit

EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 13:34
And the game holds its breath for the grand reveal.tm.

Gemma
01-15-2025, 14:47
flavor
But instead Fate followed the convoy of cars driving around and around an alien city, with the faint suspicion that the only object of all that driving was to wear him down and get rid of him, although they’d been the ones to ask him along, they’d been the ones who’d said come eat with us and then you can leave for the United States, a last supper in Mexico, speaking without conviction or sincerity, trapped by the formulas of hospitality, a Mexican rite, to which he should have responded by thanking them (effusively!) and then driving away down a nearly empty street with his dignity intact.


votal

ender - ladd, cuth, syn
maple - ender, cape

Cape90
01-15-2025, 17:08
You know
I thought Ender by that comment meant his flip.
Would be funny if true

Maple
01-15-2025, 19:47
Okay I slept for 1000 years

So starting with some tldr

6 alive, we get 2 kills and a sleep

Hally was finally convinced on ladd cause that seemed like a weird place to bus, and w/ the cuth peek + there only being 1 wolf alive means ladd is pretty much clear. Yippee!

There only being 1 left also means cuth is like frfr clear no tinfoil.

The biggest debate we had was on the remaining PoE.

Hally REALLY didn't think it was syn. After talking it out, I see her PoV. We don't really think it makes sense for syn to be pushing taffy as the alternate there as well. Unrelated to our chats, I honestly found syn admitting that he actually *was* nervous to be like kinda villagery, esp considering the not-csring-demeanor is part of the defense from previous days.

Idk, I didn't like the eod3 but hally talked me down lol

That led us on a back-and-forth about ender and cape. I landed on cape being a bit more villagery? Like, I think the derpy bits are believable. But hal was worried about the eod vote and said that that is something that we need to press him on tomorrow.

Sorry I have a headache coming on so I'm hitting submit now and will get back to it after drinking some water or smth

Cape90
01-15-2025, 20:18
I thought Syn only said he was nervous today

Maple
01-15-2025, 20:22
Unrelated to our chats, I honestly found syn admitting that he actually *was* nervous to be like kinda villagery, esp considering the not-csring-demeanor is part of the defense from previous days.

3char

ladd
01-15-2025, 20:23
Hally was finally convinced on ladd cause that seemed like a weird place to bus, and w/ the cuth peek + there only being 1 wolf alive means ladd is pretty much clear. Yippee!



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ladd
01-15-2025, 20:26
Well, at night I reviewed what you all were saying in defense of Taffy, and I did find myself agreeing and thinking that I might have just been in over my head, but I think Syn is town today. I think Taffy/Ender looks viable unless Taffy was trying to distance ladd last pop in, but I found Ender's pop in super underwhelming, it's like he doesn't want to commit to scumreading me today when he felt so confident the other day


ugh i kinda wanna reread syn today


Vote: Syn

Yeah I think this is a hit regardless of Taffy or whoever else

Cape90 what happened here wrt syn? i think it's missing some thoughts in between

Maple
01-15-2025, 20:29
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ye we honestly thought you were gonna die last night

i targeted hally in the first place cause i figure if yall v/v they leave you both alive there, increasing the odds of just taking out cuth

Maple
01-15-2025, 20:54
anyway, we came to a consensus on our final PoE, we just didnt agree on which to go first, basically.

idk if you specced the indie mash at all ladd but that was my first wolf rand in a mash in YEARS, showed the zoomers why they aught to put respect on the name Mantichora

i do feel bad about not giving this game any priority, but also coming down with a cold in the middle of that did NOT help

ladd
01-15-2025, 21:07
anyway, we came to a consensus on our final PoE, we just didnt agree on which to go first, basically.

idk if you specced the indie mash at all ladd but that was my first wolf rand in a mash in YEARS, showed the zoomers why they aught to put respect on the name Mantichora

i do feel bad about not giving this game any priority, but also coming down with a cold in the middle of that did NOT help

I didnt read it, just saw some flips and happy tagged me in a post. Engaming as a wolf in a mash is exausting tho so i get it

Grats on the win tho



I am probably going to sleep soonish, am cool with my vote. Sorry if wrong ender

I read cape iso but as i said i have never been good at reading him, he did push taffy a ton both d1/d2, never ended there at eod tho. I think every dead villa had him as villa and ender as wolfy/null so i will prolly keep my vote on ender

Maple
01-15-2025, 21:19
I didnt read it, just saw some flips and happy tagged me in a post. Engaming as a wolf in a mash is exausting tho so i get it

Grats on the win tho



I am probably going to sleep soonish, am cool with my vote. Sorry if wrong ender

I read cape iso but as i said i have never been good at reading him, he did push taffy a ton both d1/d2, never ended there at eod tho. I think every dead villa had him as villa and ender as wolfy/null so i will prolly keep my vote on ender

yeah i spent the entire game thinking happy was the lost wolf, even up till endgame. the last 2 nights of the game, i even softed the wolves actions to him LMAO

and ye that's where i ended up too. like, cape had some sorta weird stuff, for example as you said the voting, but overall i just find it a lot less fitting.

which siw *specifically* to hally, im sure now that she has her DVC boost she *already* knows exactly who the last wolf is lol

Syn
01-15-2025, 21:32
so hally from the grave is saying "keep doing what you're doing, love you, kiss kiss"

Syn
01-15-2025, 21:34
see you all at eod for the flash wagon

Maple
01-15-2025, 21:54
so hally from the grave is saying "keep doing what you're doing, love you, kiss kiss"

yeah at some point i cant justify tunneling you anymore lmao

if you bussed there then Fair Enough, we'll hash it out in f3

EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 23:51
If it is actually Cape it'd be fitting for this game for me to have correctly tunnelled and told no while a different wolf was flipped. And then decide he was probably towny off it.

Cape90
01-15-2025, 23:54
Cape90 what happened here wrt syn? i think it's missing some thoughts in between

1. Gut feeling
2. I wanted to extend an olive branch to Taffy to see where they were coming from with their whole yolo wall thing (bad idea).

Regardless, again I don't think Syn said anything yesterday about being nervous meaning Maple derped faking the conversation between them and Hally.

But since I can't fact check if that's true

Vote: Ender

EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 23:54
Honestly I'm good with dying today. I have not got much energy for this game atm and what's currently draining me isn't going to be done by next day phase so I'd be more of this. Y'all can have fun endgaming without me.

EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 23:55
Regardless, again I don't think Syn said anything yesterday about being nervous meaning Maple derped faking the conversation between them and Hally.

Maple didn't say anything about the nervous thing happening in the Hally conversation.

May I suggest re-reading Maple's post. (I say, voting Maple.)

Cape90
01-15-2025, 23:57
I think Maple might have been arguing for Syn to die too? Idk

Maple
01-15-2025, 23:58
Unrelated to our chats, I honestly found syn admitting that he actually *was* nervous

3char

lol

Cape90
01-15-2025, 23:58
Maple didn't say anything about the nervous thing happening in the Hally conversation.

May I suggest re-reading Maple's post. (I say, voting Maple.)

Oh I thought Maple implied that that was a joint read between them
Yeah nvm I can't read

Maple
01-15-2025, 23:58
I think Maple might have been arguing for Syn to die too? Idk

r u fr

Cape90
01-15-2025, 23:59
3char

lol

Listen

Cape90
01-16-2025, 00:01
r u fr

Someone was making the argument for w!Syn

Maple
01-16-2025, 00:01
Cape basically everything you said about what I said is the opposite of what I said

Maple
01-16-2025, 00:02
Someone was making the argument for w!Syn

i argued that syn was wolfy yesterday, but today said they are very likely unaligned as per [stuff listed above]

Cuthillius
01-16-2025, 00:03
it's like not much but i'm ok with killing ender here his attitude feels more fitting to wolf team position than maple (also considering earlier points, where manti did actually seem to pretty strongly care about what was happening around eods (mostly for her not dying but also somewhat in general))

Cape90
01-16-2025, 00:03
Yes I was talking all about yesterday lol

Maple
01-16-2025, 00:06
it's like not much but i'm ok with killing ender here his attitude feels more fitting to wolf team position than maple (also considering earlier points, where manti did actually seem to pretty strongly care about what was happening around eods (mostly for her not dying but also somewhat in general))

ye i think my position of wanting to switch things up on the previous EoD has proven to be correct since ladd is almost certainly v here, it just so *happens* i chose the wrong person to tunnel it seems lol

my role is deactivated atp btw, hence no more poems

Maple
01-16-2025, 00:07
Yes I was talking all about yesterday lol

aight fair enoug hye

i was saying we should go syn because they didnt seem to care who died between me/ladd/wisdom, w/ wisdom flipping v and me strongly believing ladd v that seemed like wolf PoV of not caring which of three villagers die, as opposed to like hally/cuth who REALLY cared who died the entire time

Maple
01-16-2025, 00:09
aight fair enoug hye

i was saying we should go syn because they didnt seem to care who died between me/ladd/wisdom, w/ wisdom flipping v and me strongly believing ladd v that seemed like wolf PoV of not caring which of three villagers die, as opposed to like hally/cuth who REALLY cared who died the entire time

the counterargument of "syn never cares lmao" -> syn voting correctly -> syn admitting "actually i was sweating lmao" seems villagery in that bussing there doesnt make sense, esp cause syn could probably have voted me and i think in general people would have been okay killing me yesterday + contradicting the original defense undermines what hally was saying to me, which makes no sense to do.

EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:10
it's like not much but i'm ok with killing ender here his attitude feels more fitting to wolf team position than maple (also considering earlier points, where manti did actually seem to pretty strongly care about what was happening around eods (mostly for her not dying but also somewhat in general))

Well, I say it a lot but my attitude is 90% due to irl. As you'll see in like 2 hours I guess lol.

EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:18
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.

So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.

And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.

Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.

But they've actually both become wolfier.

Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.

Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)

Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.

If anyone tinfoils Syn tomorrow they should read this post first.

EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:20
Vote: Totally not Taffy

Here is my lukewarm take

I will probably switch before EoD, but Taffy's wall post they posted twice I didn't really like

This is one of the posts that made me change my mind on Cape.

Like maybe I'm wrong about it but when Visor is lead wagon, jumping on to start a wagon on a different partner doesn't feel like the w/w/w action.

Maple
01-16-2025, 00:21
If anyone tinfoils Syn tomorrow they should read this post first.

ye UNFORTUNATELY they are unaligned

EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:26
Man Cape suffered bad from catching the wrong wolf.

EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:29
Yeah anyway I think Syn/Cape look very good reviewing earlier posts. Cuth is clear obviously.

Honestly I like Ladd but there's less clearing for him outside revealing the Cuth Desp.

Maple is the one I'd consider most sus but I have removed my Ladd defense. This is my legacy. I need to go do work now so have fun y'all.

Towniest > Wolfiest:
Cuth > Cape > Syn > Ladd > Maple

EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:31
Also before you mention it: Ladd's vote yesterday was nice but it doesn't feel like that towny when considering there's 1 ml to go and people who can die instead of him so some cred is good at that point.

Maple
01-16-2025, 01:54
vote: ender

siw

Dead eod

Maple
01-16-2025, 01:56
Meow meow

Really hope the game ends

I don't wanna think about ww for a month

Cape90
01-16-2025, 01:59
Wow I win

Gemma
01-16-2025, 02:03
votal

ender - ladd, cuth, syn, cape, maple
maple - ender


ender yot

Gemma
01-16-2025, 02:04
Ender was:
You are Vanilla.

You are Town.

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

Gemma
01-16-2025, 14:30
i'm traveling for the next few days so dels will be taking over mod duties for the most part (i'll still be semi available)

you can reach him via dm / on the discord server or via pm here on the org

thanks dels!

Gemma
01-17-2025, 01:55
cuth dies, was vanilla

Maple
01-17-2025, 02:15
vote: sleep

Syn
01-17-2025, 02:43
can we hammer sleep pls

vote: Sleep

Cape90
01-17-2025, 04:10
bro it took me this long to realize they dropped the trailer for the Nintendo Switch 2 and I was at college all day not knowing this, it just so casually dropped

Vote: Sleep

Dels
01-17-2025, 05:52
well that is a majority for Sleep so we will Sleep.

DAY IS OVER!!!!

the night would last >24 hours so if you want to shorten the night, i've been given authority to do so as long as every player remaining in the game DMs me (on the org discord) to say they want to shorten it, which would mean it starts tomorrow at the usual time. (i.e. in 20 hours-ish) otherwise it'd be in 20+24 hours ish.

Dels
01-18-2025, 02:00
the night continues... see you in 24 hours.

Dels
01-19-2025, 02:00
ladd has died! vanilla.

as a reminder, votes are locked today!

a Robert Bolaño quote for you, as inspiration: (it's flavor!)

“Write in the morning, revise in the afternoon, read at night, and spend the rest of your time exercising your diplomacy, stealth, and charm.”

go!

Maple
01-19-2025, 02:16
Okay.

Maple
01-19-2025, 02:24
I obviously lean one way but in gonna do some rereading. Votes are locked so don't want to be hasty

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:24
so from my pov, cape has been confirmed wolf ever since ender's flip

the only thing that would have cast this in doubt was maple being the nk instead, because ladd tinfoil, but i have been blessed

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:25
everyone else has flipped vanilla. I am vanilla. maple can only be town with the wolf powers that were in play

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:29
i will repeat my comment from days ago where I pointed out that cape has always found a way to not actually push taffy when it mattered. when taffy was seriously on the block, he made a hail mary attempt at trying to get a flash wagon on me

Cape90
01-19-2025, 02:29
Interesting, so I thought I was going to die or Maple was going to die there so seeing ladd is throwing me off.

Of the top of my head, I think it's Syn, I think his play yesterday makes sense if he's mafia, felt like he was fishing for me to get miselimmed, but when Ender said #1371 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862931&viewfull=1#post2053862931) calling me town, Syn voted Ender #1377 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862937&viewfull=1#post2053862937). Like it looks like mafia trying to fish for the easiest elimination to move forward that day.

It would also be such a lolcape play to move from the mafia I was pushing to another mafia, in which case I did nothing wrong days 1, 2 and 4.

The thing that made me doubt my Syn push day 5 was how Syn came into that day. Though I think killing Ender was a mistake because i think there was a pretty high chance that if Ender was mafia, he would have just kept hard-pushing me instead of just pull a jarring 180 move.

Another thing that makes me doubt it's Syn is I technically have the most reason to believe he is town, like even out of the POE of maple/syn/ladd, I had the most reasons to townread syn's play mechanically like the fact Syn actually followed me onto Taffy for a period of time day 2 and I think tied it for top wagon(s)? at the time (idk I would have to actually fact check that).

I would have to revisit the reasons why people were suspecting Maple and why Maple ever got traction in the first place, which I don't actually remember admittedly. I haven't really swayed off my TR of Maple and never felt the real need to. BUT, recently Manti snowed people in a recent offsite indie mash game (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/50440) when she was wolf there.

Not to mention ofc the very convenient claim Manti had of universal backup and Manti making a hood with Hally... making a tldr that felt... believable enough #1384 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862949&viewfull=1#post2053862949) and I could see the POV on why Manti would choose Hally to be in hood with them as stated earlier (I mean I am assuming it was obvious to anyone paying attention to what Manti was saying which makes me wish that Manti didn't just go with the person they seemed so obviously like they were going to pick). But that could have been a part of their ploy so like... IDK, I question the hooding decision a bit.

Cape90
01-19-2025, 02:30
Syn is making me want to snapvote him because this POV that he has right now is sooooooo fricking wolfy bro

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:30
Syn is making me want to snapvote him because this POV that he has right now is sooooooo fricking wolfy bro

vote: Cape90

be the change you want to see in the world

Cape90
01-19-2025, 02:30
so from my pov, cape has been confirmed wolf ever since ender's flip

the only thing that would have cast this in doubt was maple being the nk instead, because ladd tinfoil, but i have been blessed

this is specifically the comment that makes me wanna go "oh frick off wolf lmao"

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:31
unless the roles of this game were designed to troll, there is no world that maple is wolf. it shouldn't even be a consideration on your end

Maple
01-19-2025, 02:32
vote: Cape90

be the change you want to see in the world

Vote: cape90

ggs that's game

Maple
01-19-2025, 02:33
Dumbest fakeclaim of my life

Dels
01-19-2025, 02:34
Yes that's game! Well I'm sad Gemma isn't here to officially end it, uh...

So The wolves win!

Cape and Syn were vanilla. Maple was a wolf with this role:


Visceral Realist poet (supposedly)

You are Mafia. Your partners are x and x. You have been cordially invited to join the wolfchat: x (you will accept, of course)

A rispetto, professor, is a kind of lyrical verse, romantic to be precise, similar to the strambotto, with six or eight hendecasyllabic lines, the first four in the form of a serventesio and the following composed in rhyming couplets. For example…”

Each night, you must write an insulting rispetto, which will be published in thread at the start of the next day phase, else be vanillaized.

If Wide Willem Kinski dies, you gain a Vanillaizer shot.

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain. (edited)
[6:02 PM]


I'll invite you all to the DVC and stuff

Cape90
01-19-2025, 02:36
Brah, wtf were you doing Syn, you shouldnt have had that POV given Ender's legacy

EnderWiggin
01-19-2025, 02:37
Brah, wtf were you doing Syn, you shouldnt have had that POV given Ender's legacy

I legacied you both as town =P

Cape90
01-19-2025, 02:37
unless the roles of this game were designed to troll, there is no world that maple is wolf. it shouldn't even be a consideration on your end

the role was never proven to be real :crying:

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:37
so three wolf PRs, two of which with tracking and sensors, against one town PR that doesn't visit anyone

okay

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:38
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol

Cape90
01-19-2025, 02:39
I legacied you both as town =P

right but like, I think "if ender is not wolf, then cape must be" is a crazy POV to have when that goes against what you stood for lmao

well im a bit salty because I was actually goiung to backread and actually do proper f3 stuff but ig just losing was also an option

Cape90
01-19-2025, 02:40
yeah wait, why were there 3 mafia prs?

Maple
01-19-2025, 02:42
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol

I was as confused as you. I thought one of yall had to be bg sandbagging a claim or smth.

Hally
01-19-2025, 02:42
there was an error in randing the setup where ender, who was supposed to be the third town PR, was mistakenly given a vanilla PM

this error was not announced or corrected, hence

Hally
01-19-2025, 02:45
there was an error in randing the setup where ender, who was supposed to be the third town PR, was mistakenly given a vanilla PM

this error was not announced or corrected, hence
basically, we were all right to read the setup as needing a third town PR

so nobody feel bad about the outcome, manti would have been killed easily without the error “clearing” her

gg wp all

Syn
01-19-2025, 02:53
this game was actually pretty fun, mech aside

gg wp

katze
01-19-2025, 02:58
gg i was the third pr

Gemma
01-19-2025, 03:33
thanks for playing everyone!

apologies for mod error, made the setup pretty troll

somewhat cursed game with visor being mia and wolves being extremely boxed in from day 2 onwards, was fun to watch all the same

Hally
01-19-2025, 03:40
thx 4 hosting

Gemma
01-19-2025, 03:42
https://discord.gg/Te5n3xue

ladd
01-19-2025, 07:17
Gg, thx for hosting

ladd
01-19-2025, 07:21
basically, we were all right to read the setup as needing a third town PR

so nobody feel bad about the outcome, manti would have been killed easily without the error “clearing” her

gg wp all

That makes more sense lol

Wisdom
01-19-2025, 08:02
Oh
My reads where correct this game after all
Congrats wolves and thanks hosts!

Totally not Taffy
01-19-2025, 15:29
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol

It was an honest mistake on Gemma's part where town was supposed to have had a third PR, it's all explained in the discord spoiler channel.

I'm sure without that town would've swept :sweatdrop:

Ggs and thanks for the game everybody :smitten:

Visor
01-19-2025, 19:18
Luigimarioparty.gif

Thanks for running

Thanks for the carry wolfbros

Sorry for the shit performance, will be a few months before I have time for ww again

Raskolnikov
01-19-2025, 20:43
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol

Just yeet wolfy posters brah!

GG Wp people. Was a fun game.

Next time Ill set Manti's dog on fire and be done with it lol.

Raskolnikov
01-19-2025, 20:46
Also thanks for hosting Gemma. Very nice flavor.

Some good laughs in dvc (sadge I couldnt join much this week though)