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EnderWiggin
01-12-2025, 23:45
Top tier thought:
Hally snowing everyone again because of one good bus on Visor.
I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me. I don't know if I believe in Taffy being w to even self-pres there.
EnderWiggin
01-12-2025, 23:46
Vote: Cape
I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me.
:confused:
Totally not Taffy
01-12-2025, 23:54
I need to go to bed so I have to stop being a coward
Vote: Ladd
also Ender asked very nicely not to bus
man i just don’t get what ender is doing if he’s a wolf
unvote
i hate this game
Sap
Exausted but ill be around for a bit
ender is town reading all the people he could actually mislunch and going for me/cape instead ???
i’m kinda talking myself into to pulling the trigger on ladd lol
can you quote some of these sentences?
there was on d2 that triggered that post in particular but i cant find it atm. still:
ngl I feel like I would've been a better clear I played what was probably my best town game ever over the holidays and it was largely bc I got to be cleared town for four days
I mean I'm happy for Cuth and I guess he had a better chance of being a wolf but I'm the one who gets misyeeted every game
idk this seemed believable when i read it
not a planned bus but if they felt certain town!Wisdom was going to get yeeted might've been planned distancing for after one of them flipped later
I'm glad you said it's tinfoil bc that's stuff to consider in FX not now
this one i noted cause it seemed not w/w with ender
what makes my confidence villagery and Taffy's confidence wolfy?
you seemed like a villager who had a wolfread they suddenly believed in (taffy) while taffy seemed like a wolf who was trying to create a narrative wrt wisdom/rask
Top tier thought:
Hally snowing everyone again because of one good bus on Visor.
I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me. I don't know if I believe in Taffy being w to even self-pres there.
hally being a villager has nothing to do with visor (at least for me). Them being a wolf would probably be the most surprising flip since lissa flipping villager in anni 2020 for me lmao
i am just as lost as everyone else tbh. taffy post seems a bit more narrating what happened rather than saying why it is wolfy to me but also the stuff giving me cold feet on them keeps adding up so uh ya not confident at all
if hally/cuth can consolidate on someone not named me, i'll sheep them
if hally/cuth can consolidate on someone not named me, i'll sheep them
i’m just so lost, i really have no idea
honestly can’t remember the last time i had such little idea what to do in a game lmao
every time i think about voting someone it seems wrong
what do you think about ender?
Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861908&viewfull=1#post2053861908) and D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862575&viewfull=1#post2053862575). I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861619&viewfull=1#post2053861619) townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861638&viewfull=1#post2053861638) agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861768&viewfull=1#post2053861768) Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861785&viewfull=1#post2053861785) to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861796&viewfull=1#post2053861796) vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862146&viewfull=1#post2053862146) he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862195&viewfull=1#post2053862195) that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862295&viewfull=1#post2053862295) it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862382&viewfull=1#post2053862382) me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862582&viewfull=1#post2053862582) Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.
Like this is more what I did (afk eod1, pushing wisdom d2, sheeping waza) but reading this paragraph I dont get why taffy thinks my post are wolfy
i’m just so lost, i really have no idea
honestly can’t remember the last time i had such little idea what to do in a game lmao
every time i think about voting someone it seems wrong
what do you think about ender?
uh weird play starting d1 from him if he is a wolf but tbh i havent villa read a singe thought he has made all game i think, it's just the conlusion he comes to that makes me worried he is a villager
but applying the Apoc rule maybe that makes him a wolf?
vaimes nk is also a point against him i guess since vaimes basically said he was gonna lunch him before endgame iirc
Like this is more what I did (afk eod1, pushing wisdom d2, sheeping waza) but reading this paragraph I dont get why taffy thinks my post are wolfy
this is a pattern across her posts i feel like
even with her wisdom/rask thing which was her most significant contribution so far i commented at the time that it seemed more like narrating what they did than explaining why it was wolfy
this is a tunnel? that's news to me. i think for a read to be a tunnel, i would have to talk about nobody else (which i have) and be unwilling to compromise on my position (which i'm not)
cuth is clear (~*allegedly*~)
hally and cape are my strongest townreads
syn is apparently suuuper town, which. i'm morbidly curious what he plays like when he's scummy
i don't super get the ladd sus, i had him on the same level as rask before he flipped
i'm probably going to kill ender at some point because i have a pea brain
taffy and maple kind of just exist. with their words-to-impressions ratio, i wouldn't be shocked if there was a wolf there
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(they didnt wanna kill maple by eod is the only read they changed)
Cape's first mention of Visor. Not overly committing to much. Rule of 3.
Shading people (Me/Waza?) for asking other people their takes on Visor. Makes a reference implying Visor town, but doesn't townread him.
"Oh no this person I sus made a comment and therefore I'm worried that Visor (and Wisdom maybe, but mostly Visor) is town!"
And just the tone of this post. The reluctant voting of Visor is described as not wanting Wisdom to go over but it wasn't even that close anymore. (This might be a bit judgey idk)
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I'm not a great Cape Reader on the average, though, so I'm going to poke at this a little bit more. The shade on the Visor wagon and the subtle defense without ever actually committing to a defense tho was what pinged me while I was reading for Wisdom quotes.
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this is a pattern across her posts i feel like
even with her wisdom/rask thing which was her most significant contribution so far i commented at the time that it seemed more like narrating what they did than explaining why it was wolfy
yea now the 1 million dollar question - is it wolfy for taffy?
(i checked a villa game on here and they didnt do all this narrating...so maybe?)
if i strictly judged based on her content i would probably say taffy is a wolf but she has all these passing comments that strike me as villagery
it’s just stuff that doesn’t really have anything to do with actual solving
so maybe that should be concerning lol
with ender my problem is that i know what his reads are but I dont really I feel I know why
i feel if he is a villager a huge part of this game is in his head rather than the thread and that makes it hard to read him (not judging, i often play like that too. Just saying why i am finding it hard to read u)
if i strictly judged based on her content i would probably say taffy is a wolf but she has all these passing comments that strike me as villagery
it’s just stuff that doesn’t really have anything to do with actual solving
so maybe that should be concerning lol
similarly i don’t town read ender’s content at all, i’m just confused at the line he’s taking if he’s a wolf
feels like he’s making the game harder for himself for no reason
i didn’t really feel like taffy/ender seemed w/w from their last pop in
like taffy made the comment that she’s not gonna bus ender lol
also the read on ender trying to roleswap with rask seems real regardless of taffy’s alignment
so idk who even works with taffy
i didn’t really feel like taffy/ender seemed w/w from their last pop in
like taffy made the comment that she’s not gonna bus ender lol
also the read on ender trying to roleswap with rask seems real regardless of taffy’s alignment
so idk who even works with taffy
Cape
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he’s been casing her the entire game lol
it’s more likely to ladd imo if she’s getting bussed
ladd how confident are you in syn being a villager?
if the vaimes kill points to anyone it’s syn
ladd how confident are you in syn being a villager?
if the vaimes kill points to anyone it’s syn
they seem like a villager to em and everyone who knows them thought/thinks they were a villager, i am not gonna consider until f-x
to me*
(i am around just multi tasking i am still down to sheep cuth/hally on anyone not named me)
ugh i kinda wanna reread syn today
ugh i kinda wanna reread syn today
you have 24 minutes
whens eod? sorry
you also have 24 minutes
to me*
(i am around just multi tasking i am still down to sheep cuth/hally on anyone not named me)
i don’t think i wanna be sheeped xDD
if there is something that kind of bothers me about syn right now is they are seemingly jumping on whatever bandwagon/train thing that is popular with consensus
vote: syn
siw i really think its not ladd and i think the way you handled eod yesterday just doesnt comes from a villager
he’s been casing her the entire game lol
it’s more likely to ladd imo if she’s getting bussed
he unvoted her for no reason d2 and then killed wisdom while saying wisdom was town, because, in his over-explaining SOD post, he thought wisdom wolf meant taffy town (?)
he's never actually seriously tried to pursue a taffy chop
if there is something that kind of bothers me about syn right now is they are seemingly jumping on whatever bandwagon/train thing that is popular with consensus
i switch wagons to try and make things happen yes
you'll note I just pushed taffy into the lead
or did, maybe someone switched again
i switch wagons to try and make things happen yes
you'll note I just pushed taffy into the lead
or did, maybe someone switched again
switching between the consensus wagon and the wagon the confirmed v is pushing is not making things happen
thats just pushing the consensus lol
he unvoted her for no reason d2 and then killed wisdom while saying wisdom was town, because, in his over-explaining SOD post, he thought wisdom wolf meant taffy town (?)
he's never actually seriously tried to pursue a taffy chop
just because nobody was listening to me and defending Taffy doesn't mean I was not seriously pursuing a taffy chop
meow meow meow
i just dont see all that as real thoughts
just because nobody was listening to me and defending Taffy doesn't mean I was not seriously pursuing a taffy chop
in fact, the only person who listened to my serious push and acted on that
WAS YOU YESTERDAY LMAO
switching between the consensus wagon and the wagon the confirmed v is pushing is not making things happen
thats just pushing the consensus lol
has cuth even posted today
has cuth even posted today
today as in IRL today when most interactions with taffy even happened
if there is something that kind of bothers me about syn right now is they are seemingly jumping on whatever bandwagon/train thing that is popular with consensus
just because nobody was listening to me and defending Taffy doesn't mean I was not seriously pursuing a taffy chop
in fact, the only person who listened to my serious push and acted on that
WAS YOU YESTERDAY LMAO
https://media.tenor.com/IOqlNsLYVAgAAAAM/well-so-im-done.gif
waza did specifically mention taffy as someone we could misclearing
though he wasn’t around the second half of the day when taffy made the bulk of her posts so we don’t know what he thought about those
and really anyone would kill waza N1 imo
wdym
how can I just be coasting on the wagon confirmed v is pushing if aforementioned confirmed v is not here pushing, and I am the one interacting with the push and picking apart their arguments/posts
im talking about yesterday
you appllied the same argument to yesterday
and today you arent even really shaking things up cause there isnt really much TO shake up
i got taken off the table and now youre big chillin
seems like Just A Wolf in this gamestate
im talking about yesterday
you appllied the same argument to yesterday
and today you arent even really shaking things up cause there isnt really much TO shake up
i got taken off the table and now youre big chillin
seems like Just A Wolf in this gamestate
sorry, I'll do what hally, ladd, and ender did and say "oh my god, I am SO lost guys"
tbh i don’t think syn jumping around different wagons is wolfy for him
votal
taffy - ladd, cuth, syn
ladd - cape, taffy
cape - ender
syn - maple
tbh i don’t think syn jumping around different wagons is wolfy for him
im saying that he clearly didnt care when the wagons were v/v/v
and like
yall obviously cared
thats the difference
if we hit a wolf yesterday? it would be villagery as fuck
im saying that he clearly didnt care when the wagons were v/v/v
and like
yall obviously cared
thats the difference
if we hit a wolf yesterday? it would be villagery as fuck
cyclic argument that self-agrees, given that I have no way of knowing the wagons are supposedly v/v/v
you're right that I don't care though
Vote: Syn
Yeah I think this is a hit regardless of Taffy or whoever else
Vote: Syn
Yeah I think this is a hit regardless of Taffy or whoever else
why
cyclic argument that self-agrees, given that I have no way of knowing the wagons are supposedly v/v/v
mhm but a wolf sure would!
mhm but a wolf sure would!
big if true
it is kind of amusing that maple and cape waited until the last minute to do this
tbh if you’re expecting syn to overtly give a shit about things i think you have the wrong expectations for what kind of player he is lol
votal
taffy - cuth, syn
syn - maple, cape
ladd - taffy
cape - ender
ender - ladd
eod in 4 minutes
why
His view of saying i am w/w with Taffy makes absolutely no sense. And it's a gut feeling based on that and everything else that looked sketchy about how he moved around wagons which I talked about in my huge paragraph post thing at SoD
His view of saying i am w/w with Taffy makes absolutely no sense. And it's a gut feeling based on that and everything else that looked sketchy about how he moved around wagons which I talked about in my huge paragraph post thing at SoD
i mean tbf its true that you did not push taffy in high leverage situation (tho i really doubt u guis are w/w)
i dunno if syn is a wolf i am a dummie but i am not really feeling it
because there are some aspects in which syn looks like he does care about who goes over , but this is shown at EoD's instead of other times
if syn or taffy flip wolf i don’t actually know if i’d clear the other
but i think cape isn’t with either and isn’t with ender either
vote:taffy
idk sorry if wrong
because there are some aspects in which syn looks like he does care about who goes over , but this is shown at EoD's instead of other times
i mean thats kinda what eods are for? but i get what u are saying i guess
probably wrong but oh well
i don’t know what i’m supposed to do when people don’t do anything until like 10 minutes before EoD
i mean thats kinda what eods are for? but i get what u are saying i guess
i meant like in a wolfy and incorrect way lol, like hes shifting off wolves (looks at EoD 1)
votal
taffy - cuth, syn, ladd, hally
syn - maple, cape
ladd - taffy
cape - ender
taffy yeeted flip inc
Taffy was:
A lazy and unfairly incompetent State Investigator, also a Bolshevik
You are Mafia. Your partners are x and x. You have been cordially invited to join the wolfchat: https://discord.gg/s69x420zD69 (https://tinyurl.com/smzc7v98) (you will accept, of course)
I turned around and through the back window I saw a shadow in the middle of the street. All the sadness of the world was concentrated in that shadow, framed by the strict rectangle of the Impala’s window.
Twice per game at night, target a player to learn if any actions were performed by or on that player that night.
You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.
n3 and all that
flavor filler!
I asked if she was still there.
She said she’d come by.
It’s snowing again, I warned.
Books scattered.
Useless for love making.
6 months since I’d brought a girl
to my place.
Emphatic, categorical, she pointed out
a fly squashed
on the other side of the window.
Like spitting at a mirror, I recalled.
A kind of poet.
Carefree and happy.
gemma says, "hally died, was vt".
day start!
you're right that I don't care though
this was a lie I was sweatin' bad at the end there
cape explain your hell push at the end there
maple if you say you neighbourized hally I'm going to tunnel you all day probably
yeah that's a real bitch isnt it LMAO
there is probably no point to me asking this but what did you two talk about, what did Hally say, what are her thots
So letting go of that was quite dumb of me. My head was 1000% at there HAVING to be one in Taffy or Syn yesterday. The NK on Vaimes pointed there AND mafia never killing me pointed to me being wrong on Taffy, it made me lose confidence in the push along with some of the stuff Hally was saying about "oh this is just normal gameplay for Taffy" like man, I should have known that the way Taffy was going after Wisdom day 1 looked really agenda'd. Honestly, coming into today I was about to still be voting Syn, but I really don't think Syn and Taffy are paired (and honestly for pretty weak reasons overall, but it's better then other people alive rn). Well if people wanted to kill Taffy days 1 and 2, I would have happily held my vote there and not swapped off, in an alternate timeline me and Wisdom could have been town confirmed masons :( (aka I would say this to Wisdom, Wisdom would be like ??? and i would just be like "just roll with it").
Doubt just made me re-eval after Wisdom died because I trusted Hally and also wanted to look into other slots in that night and doing that made other almost every other slot look iffy to me (minus hally/cuth). IDK it's just like at that moment, Syn being mafia felt more correct to me and maybe i was correct in that Taffy might have showed a lack of TMI with the visor comment day 1 (well I said their comment spewed visor town, but then visor flipped mafia, so I had to consider the possibility that either i was wrong on that or that it just was a lack of TMI, then I saw more things that looked clearing for Wisdom then Visor overall when I was doing this sort of re analysis day 2, where the bulk of the reasoning behind my push comes from).
Obviously it's safe to say Cuth is probably town now that we only have 1 mafia left so there isn't any like fake despo check shenanigans (aka tinfoil of ladd and cuth team)
You know what the annoying thing is
I could see the reason behind why Maple would choose Hally to go into hood with them based on Maple's read on Hally. At the same time... like come on man
You know what the annoying thing is
I could see the reason behind why Maple would choose Hally to go into hood with them based on Maple's read on Hally. At the same time... like come on man
if maple is town that is
which ofc could have been an elaborate set up into believable "hood claim" into NK
To avoid the wolves killing who I neighbourize, I will randomly pick from the surviving players
*picks the towniest player tinfoiled by no one who is obviously killed*
ah, nevertheless,
cape I do not understand your explanation at all ngl but cool you don't want to kill me anymore (until EOD)
I don't understand these roles man. why do the wolves have so much stuff
is this psychological warfare from gemma
flavor
I turned around slowly. I knew it. Jan was watching me from the window. I waved my arms in the air. Jan shouted something unintelligible and leaned farther out. I jumped. Jan responded by moving his head back to front and then in circles, faster and faster. I was afraid that he would throw himself out the window. I started to laugh. The passersby stared at me, and then they looked up and saw Jan, who was lifting his leg, pretending to kick a cloud. He’s my friend, I said. We just moved here a few days ago. He’s wishing me luck. I’m on my way out to look for work. Oh, well, that’s nice, what a good friend, someone said, and walked on, smiling.
votal
maple - syn
there is probably no point to me asking this but what did you two talk about, what did Hally say, what are her thots
and why didn't you write a poem about taffy so you could theoretically motion detect someone n4
yeah that's a real bitch isnt it LMAO
I cannot believe you genuinely picked hally
There were like 99% dying tonight
Otoh i also dont see how wolves have 3 prs and villas just 2 cause that makes like no sense either imo
Anyway syn is a villager, cuth is a villager, cape is a villager alas its ender or maple. I actually thought it was just ender overnight but hally target is wtf
vote:ender
Still this makes the most sense sadly
Ill be vastly afk this dayphase cause its 2 weekdays
Ill try to re read taffy and what everyone said about taffy later tonight or tomorrow and i remember hally thinking ender/taffy was maybe not w/w but they also thought cape/taffy was not w/w and i personally just dont see it being syn
Hey
So I was laying in my bed and it got me thinking...
So I was widely regarded as town day 1. I put a decent amount of pressure on a mafia member, asked people to flash wagon to that mafia member, then swapped my vote from that mafia member to another mafia member.
So why in the world did waza die over me n1?
I kinda want to check this because it doesn't make sense to me right now, but I feel it might point to the last mafia
Also that makes me think ladd isn't mafia probably?
her posts are a short read
I reiterate that she and cape vaguely sniped at each other but turned away when it counted
where I'm at right now is just assuming ladd is town, cuth is town
based purely on gameplay maple is most likely to be wolf (mech is just fucked though), then cape, then ender
Hey
So I was laying in my bed and it got me thinking...
So I was widely regarded as town day 1. I put a decent amount of pressure on a mafia member, asked people to flash wagon to that mafia member, then swapped my vote from that mafia member to another mafia member.
So why in the world did waza die over me n1?
I kinda want to check this because it doesn't make sense to me right now, but I feel it might point to the last mafia
Cause you were more mislunchable than waza who was basically clear and was on the wolf while you defended said wolf at eod
I dont think anyone expected you to die. Nk options for n1 were like hally/waza/vaimes
Your nk would have been weird and point to taffy way too much iyam
where I'm at right now is just assuming ladd is town, cuth is town
based purely on gameplay maple is most likely to be wolf (mech is just fucked though), then cape, then ender
the mech is where I'm struggling. if you assume maple has to be town because of wolf powers, like hally and ladd do/did, it's still not remotely equal and there is nothing for the wolves to do except twiddle their thumbs
I absolutely do not accept cape's attempt at portraying himself like a power town wunderkind
the mech is where I'm struggling. if you assume maple has to be town because of wolf powers, like hally and ladd do/did, it's still not remotely equal and there is nothing for the wolves to do except twiddle their thumbs
Yea setup is a bit confusing either way but 3 wolf powers vs 2 villa prs is like..why? And wolves even have a vanillizer..for 2 villa prs of which 1 they cant vanillize
Idk just so weird if maple is a wolf
Weird if maple v too but a bit less so
flavor
Mr. Teófilo Cid isn’t here.
Rain over that strange city, Santiago of the
New Extreme.
Mr. Cid walks along gray streets.
Mousy hair, beady mouse eyes,
In a neutral dusk.
Coats, slickers, red jackets the rain blows
Any which way.
Mr. Teófilo Cid rather drunk,
In this city of his,
Fleeing beneath the rain.
The only reality of these words.
votal
maple - syn
ender - ladd
EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 14:28
I want to formally apologise to Hally. Yesterday I got very doom and gloom and thought we were lost and I was in a pile with townies for the wolves to feast on.
Meanwhile Hally and Ladd just yeeted a wolf instead.
Vote: Maple
I don't think Syn is ever a wolf with how Taffy shaded them. Taffy, however, was very curious/cautious about asking people how they read the Maple EOD, which makes me think that's a much more likely hit.
Ladd could have just done a ruthless bus yesterday but breaking the tie and pushing Taffy to the lead means I'm going to slap a town label on there. (And it's an excuse to hold onto my townread despite the reasons not really having gone anyway cool.)
EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 14:29
Maybe also apologise to Cape if Maple flips wolf but I'm still nursing the secret desire for Cape to be the last wolf.
Cuth is also just clear, and I think Ladd looks better for Taffy being a wolf. Thinning POE while your one living partner is in POE... just feels bad ya know?
I want to formally apologise to Hally. Yesterday I got very doom and gloom and thought we were lost and I was in a pile with townies for the wolves to feast on.
Meanwhile Hally and Ladd just yeeted a wolf instead.
Vote: Maple
I don't think Syn is ever a wolf with how Taffy shaded them. Taffy, however, was very curious/cautious about asking people how they read the Maple EOD, which makes me think that's a much more likely hit.
Ladd could have just done a ruthless bus yesterday but breaking the tie and pushing Taffy to the lead means I'm going to slap a town label on there. (And it's an excuse to hold onto my townread despite the reasons not really having gone anyway cool.)
I mean I dont disagree but what do u think about maple pr claim?
Cuthillius
01-14-2025, 19:17
humh
i gotta reread
i just don't think cape has it in him to wolf like this
i tend to agree with ladd that ender seems more reasonable here with role stuff but i do want to look over that arc later to confirm
seems a bit sloppy distancing wise from visor if so though
vote: ender
Also that makes me think ladd isn't mafia probably?
Why?
Taffy, however, was very curious/cautious about asking people how they read the Maple EOD, which makes me think that's a much more likely hit.
Why does this make you think Maple is wolf instead of town?
humh
i gotta reread
i just don't think cape has it in him to wolf like this
I don't understand this. Is there something special about the way Cape is playing? It just seems like ordinary gameplay to me
Cuthillius
01-14-2025, 23:16
I don't understand this. Is there something special about the way Cape is playing? It just seems like ordinary gameplay to me
mm it's like
pretty specific and organic to me
like going all in but kinda all over the place but in a way that still feels understandable
wolves have a hard time maintaining that sort of oomph in that sort of way, and tend a lot more to lean on specific ideas or thoughts where they know they have a consistent through-line
and idk i'd be very impressed if cape could do this sort of stuff as w (from what i remember reading off the top of my head)
EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 23:34
I mean I dont disagree but what do u think about maple pr claim?
It has nothingburgered enough that I don't care about it.
EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 23:36
Why does this make you think Maple is wolf instead of town?
Because they're not really trying to lean towards wolfreading Maple, it feels more like they're testing the water.
flavor
They had come to the restaurant in three separate cars. Rosa Amalfitano was riding with Chucho Flores. Charly Cruz and Rosa Méndez were riding with silent Corona. Fate drove alone, following the other two cars closely, and more than once, when they seemed to be driving in endless circles around the city, he thought about honking his horn and abandoning the convoy—there was something absurd and childish about it, though he couldn’t say exactly what—and heading for the Sonora Resort to write his story about the brief fight he’d just witnessed. Maybe Campbell would still be there and could explain whatever it was he’d missed. Although it’s not as if there was anything to understand, if you thought about it. Pickett knew how to fight and Fernández didn’t, it was that simple. Or maybe it would be better to skip the Sonora Resort and just drive straight to the border, to Tucson, where he was sure to find a cybercafé at the airport, and write his story, exhausted and without thinking about what he was writing, and then fly to New York, where everything would take on the consistency of reality again.
votal
ender - ladd, cuth
cape - syn
maple - ender
EnderWiggin
01-14-2025, 23:42
I did a reread this morning. Cape's treatment around Taffy is actually clearing, as much as I regret to say it.
Like as wolf pulling the "If Taffy w then Visor probably town?" hat when partner is being run up D1, you can then turnaround and use that same logic to try clearing Taffy without it looking that sus. Instead Cape just was like "Nah actually nevermind I still want Taffy."
I know some wolves I could see doing that. But those are few and kinda ruthless. I don't think Cape is one and I don't think how he treated it is like one.
Especially if you're going to spend so long doing that then when the wagon pops up you don't then get caught on the counterwagon.
I absolutely do not accept cape's attempt at portraying himself like a power town wunderkind
Okay, then I am a sloppy power town wunderkind :bow:
Vote: Maple.
The real question is:
Is Maple lolcatting?
The longer I stayed alive the paranoid I got that I was on the wrong track in terms of my push on Taffy, which is usually what happens when I'm tunneling someone incorrectly
Why?
I was thinking Hally was moreso the NK choice if you are mafia over waza. That was my thought process after I made that post anyways.
I did a reread this morning. Cape's treatment around Taffy is actually clearing, as much as I regret to say it.
Like as wolf pulling the "If Taffy w then Visor probably town?" hat when partner is being run up D1, you can then turnaround and use that same logic to try clearing Taffy without it looking that sus. Instead Cape just was like "Nah actually nevermind I still want Taffy."
I know some wolves I could see doing that. But those are few and kinda ruthless. I don't think Cape is one and I don't think how he treated it is like one.
Especially if you're going to spend so long doing that then when the wagon pops up you don't then get caught on the counterwagon.
vote: Ender
EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 05:51
where maple
Frozen and crying in mafia chat.
okay i just finished endgaming the mash on mu
im dead tired
but i won!
i'll post my shit tomorrow morning
hally and i talked about a bunch of shit
EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 13:34
And the game holds its breath for the grand reveal.tm.
flavor
But instead Fate followed the convoy of cars driving around and around an alien city, with the faint suspicion that the only object of all that driving was to wear him down and get rid of him, although they’d been the ones to ask him along, they’d been the ones who’d said come eat with us and then you can leave for the United States, a last supper in Mexico, speaking without conviction or sincerity, trapped by the formulas of hospitality, a Mexican rite, to which he should have responded by thanking them (effusively!) and then driving away down a nearly empty street with his dignity intact.
votal
ender - ladd, cuth, syn
maple - ender, cape
You know
I thought Ender by that comment meant his flip.
Would be funny if true
Okay I slept for 1000 years
So starting with some tldr
6 alive, we get 2 kills and a sleep
Hally was finally convinced on ladd cause that seemed like a weird place to bus, and w/ the cuth peek + there only being 1 wolf alive means ladd is pretty much clear. Yippee!
There only being 1 left also means cuth is like frfr clear no tinfoil.
The biggest debate we had was on the remaining PoE.
Hally REALLY didn't think it was syn. After talking it out, I see her PoV. We don't really think it makes sense for syn to be pushing taffy as the alternate there as well. Unrelated to our chats, I honestly found syn admitting that he actually *was* nervous to be like kinda villagery, esp considering the not-csring-demeanor is part of the defense from previous days.
Idk, I didn't like the eod3 but hally talked me down lol
That led us on a back-and-forth about ender and cape. I landed on cape being a bit more villagery? Like, I think the derpy bits are believable. But hal was worried about the eod vote and said that that is something that we need to press him on tomorrow.
Sorry I have a headache coming on so I'm hitting submit now and will get back to it after drinking some water or smth
I thought Syn only said he was nervous today
Unrelated to our chats, I honestly found syn admitting that he actually *was* nervous to be like kinda villagery, esp considering the not-csring-demeanor is part of the defense from previous days.
3char
Hally was finally convinced on ladd cause that seemed like a weird place to bus, and w/ the cuth peek + there only being 1 wolf alive means ladd is pretty much clear. Yippee!
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Well, at night I reviewed what you all were saying in defense of Taffy, and I did find myself agreeing and thinking that I might have just been in over my head, but I think Syn is town today. I think Taffy/Ender looks viable unless Taffy was trying to distance ladd last pop in, but I found Ender's pop in super underwhelming, it's like he doesn't want to commit to scumreading me today when he felt so confident the other day
ugh i kinda wanna reread syn today
Vote: Syn
Yeah I think this is a hit regardless of Taffy or whoever else
Cape90 what happened here wrt syn? i think it's missing some thoughts in between
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ye we honestly thought you were gonna die last night
i targeted hally in the first place cause i figure if yall v/v they leave you both alive there, increasing the odds of just taking out cuth
anyway, we came to a consensus on our final PoE, we just didnt agree on which to go first, basically.
idk if you specced the indie mash at all ladd but that was my first wolf rand in a mash in YEARS, showed the zoomers why they aught to put respect on the name Mantichora
i do feel bad about not giving this game any priority, but also coming down with a cold in the middle of that did NOT help
anyway, we came to a consensus on our final PoE, we just didnt agree on which to go first, basically.
idk if you specced the indie mash at all ladd but that was my first wolf rand in a mash in YEARS, showed the zoomers why they aught to put respect on the name Mantichora
i do feel bad about not giving this game any priority, but also coming down with a cold in the middle of that did NOT help
I didnt read it, just saw some flips and happy tagged me in a post. Engaming as a wolf in a mash is exausting tho so i get it
Grats on the win tho
I am probably going to sleep soonish, am cool with my vote. Sorry if wrong ender
I read cape iso but as i said i have never been good at reading him, he did push taffy a ton both d1/d2, never ended there at eod tho. I think every dead villa had him as villa and ender as wolfy/null so i will prolly keep my vote on ender
I didnt read it, just saw some flips and happy tagged me in a post. Engaming as a wolf in a mash is exausting tho so i get it
Grats on the win tho
I am probably going to sleep soonish, am cool with my vote. Sorry if wrong ender
I read cape iso but as i said i have never been good at reading him, he did push taffy a ton both d1/d2, never ended there at eod tho. I think every dead villa had him as villa and ender as wolfy/null so i will prolly keep my vote on ender
yeah i spent the entire game thinking happy was the lost wolf, even up till endgame. the last 2 nights of the game, i even softed the wolves actions to him LMAO
and ye that's where i ended up too. like, cape had some sorta weird stuff, for example as you said the voting, but overall i just find it a lot less fitting.
which siw *specifically* to hally, im sure now that she has her DVC boost she *already* knows exactly who the last wolf is lol
so hally from the grave is saying "keep doing what you're doing, love you, kiss kiss"
see you all at eod for the flash wagon
so hally from the grave is saying "keep doing what you're doing, love you, kiss kiss"
yeah at some point i cant justify tunneling you anymore lmao
if you bussed there then Fair Enough, we'll hash it out in f3
EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 23:51
If it is actually Cape it'd be fitting for this game for me to have correctly tunnelled and told no while a different wolf was flipped. And then decide he was probably towny off it.
Cape90 what happened here wrt syn? i think it's missing some thoughts in between
1. Gut feeling
2. I wanted to extend an olive branch to Taffy to see where they were coming from with their whole yolo wall thing (bad idea).
Regardless, again I don't think Syn said anything yesterday about being nervous meaning Maple derped faking the conversation between them and Hally.
But since I can't fact check if that's true
Vote: Ender
EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 23:54
Honestly I'm good with dying today. I have not got much energy for this game atm and what's currently draining me isn't going to be done by next day phase so I'd be more of this. Y'all can have fun endgaming without me.
EnderWiggin
01-15-2025, 23:55
Regardless, again I don't think Syn said anything yesterday about being nervous meaning Maple derped faking the conversation between them and Hally.
Maple didn't say anything about the nervous thing happening in the Hally conversation.
May I suggest re-reading Maple's post. (I say, voting Maple.)
I think Maple might have been arguing for Syn to die too? Idk
Unrelated to our chats, I honestly found syn admitting that he actually *was* nervous
3char
lol
Maple didn't say anything about the nervous thing happening in the Hally conversation.
May I suggest re-reading Maple's post. (I say, voting Maple.)
Oh I thought Maple implied that that was a joint read between them
Yeah nvm I can't read
I think Maple might have been arguing for Syn to die too? Idk
r u fr
r u fr
Someone was making the argument for w!Syn
Cape basically everything you said about what I said is the opposite of what I said
Someone was making the argument for w!Syn
i argued that syn was wolfy yesterday, but today said they are very likely unaligned as per [stuff listed above]
Cuthillius
01-16-2025, 00:03
it's like not much but i'm ok with killing ender here his attitude feels more fitting to wolf team position than maple (also considering earlier points, where manti did actually seem to pretty strongly care about what was happening around eods (mostly for her not dying but also somewhat in general))
Yes I was talking all about yesterday lol
it's like not much but i'm ok with killing ender here his attitude feels more fitting to wolf team position than maple (also considering earlier points, where manti did actually seem to pretty strongly care about what was happening around eods (mostly for her not dying but also somewhat in general))
ye i think my position of wanting to switch things up on the previous EoD has proven to be correct since ladd is almost certainly v here, it just so *happens* i chose the wrong person to tunnel it seems lol
my role is deactivated atp btw, hence no more poems
Yes I was talking all about yesterday lol
aight fair enoug hye
i was saying we should go syn because they didnt seem to care who died between me/ladd/wisdom, w/ wisdom flipping v and me strongly believing ladd v that seemed like wolf PoV of not caring which of three villagers die, as opposed to like hally/cuth who REALLY cared who died the entire time
aight fair enoug hye
i was saying we should go syn because they didnt seem to care who died between me/ladd/wisdom, w/ wisdom flipping v and me strongly believing ladd v that seemed like wolf PoV of not caring which of three villagers die, as opposed to like hally/cuth who REALLY cared who died the entire time
the counterargument of "syn never cares lmao" -> syn voting correctly -> syn admitting "actually i was sweating lmao" seems villagery in that bussing there doesnt make sense, esp cause syn could probably have voted me and i think in general people would have been okay killing me yesterday + contradicting the original defense undermines what hally was saying to me, which makes no sense to do.
EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:10
it's like not much but i'm ok with killing ender here his attitude feels more fitting to wolf team position than maple (also considering earlier points, where manti did actually seem to pretty strongly care about what was happening around eods (mostly for her not dying but also somewhat in general))
Well, I say it a lot but my attitude is 90% due to irl. As you'll see in like 2 hours I guess lol.
EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:18
My first impression of Syn was that it was towny for him to be there at SoD making jokes and generally seeming happy to be here given how his past wolf rands on this site have all been bad experiences for him.
So it pinged me when Rask called him pockety especially bc Rask claimed a few games ago to have some kind of godread on Syn so either, Syn is town and he should see that, or Syn is a wolf and he should have confidence in his read and vote him for the pocketing, or Syn can't be read from those posts and he should also know that and not post what then looks like shade.
And Wisdom calls him out on that which was good, but then she made a readslist with only two actual reads which was a bad townread on Ender (not bad bc Ender was wolfy but bad bc she was townreading him for stuff nobody who's played with Ender a lot should read him on) and then just "Rask wolf (yes)" and it just looked like that readslist existed only for the purpose of putting the wolfread on Rask in thread which made me think I was wrong and she's a wolf who saw a townie do a scummy thing and is happy to make it into a read.
Then Syn called that readslist towny for her and it made me insecure so I wanted to see how things would progress.
But they've actually both become wolfier.
Rask wants the Wisdom wagon to be "just teasing her for her birthday" and says he needs to reread her while voting Cuth but then when Ender wants to shoot him that's going to definitely reveal her as a wolf. This looks like a wolf who knows Wisdom is going to flip v and wants to keep his own hands clean but also wants others to vote there.
Wisdom has not fleshed out her wolfread on Rask but he's still a wolf however she's voting Ladd for potentially being teamed with him (and for why he's voting her)
Idk but it's one of them and I'd like to vote the correct one.
If anyone tinfoils Syn tomorrow they should read this post first.
EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:20
Vote: Totally not Taffy
Here is my lukewarm take
I will probably switch before EoD, but Taffy's wall post they posted twice I didn't really like
This is one of the posts that made me change my mind on Cape.
Like maybe I'm wrong about it but when Visor is lead wagon, jumping on to start a wagon on a different partner doesn't feel like the w/w/w action.
If anyone tinfoils Syn tomorrow they should read this post first.
ye UNFORTUNATELY they are unaligned
EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:26
Man Cape suffered bad from catching the wrong wolf.
EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:29
Yeah anyway I think Syn/Cape look very good reviewing earlier posts. Cuth is clear obviously.
Honestly I like Ladd but there's less clearing for him outside revealing the Cuth Desp.
Maple is the one I'd consider most sus but I have removed my Ladd defense. This is my legacy. I need to go do work now so have fun y'all.
Towniest > Wolfiest:
Cuth > Cape > Syn > Ladd > Maple
EnderWiggin
01-16-2025, 00:31
Also before you mention it: Ladd's vote yesterday was nice but it doesn't feel like that towny when considering there's 1 ml to go and people who can die instead of him so some cred is good at that point.
Meow meow
Really hope the game ends
I don't wanna think about ww for a month
votal
ender - ladd, cuth, syn, cape, maple
maple - ender
ender yot
Ender was:
You are Vanilla.
You are Town.
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
i'm traveling for the next few days so dels will be taking over mod duties for the most part (i'll still be semi available)
you can reach him via dm / on the discord server or via pm here on the org
thanks dels!
can we hammer sleep pls
vote: Sleep
bro it took me this long to realize they dropped the trailer for the Nintendo Switch 2 and I was at college all day not knowing this, it just so casually dropped
Vote: Sleep
well that is a majority for Sleep so we will Sleep.
DAY IS OVER!!!!
the night would last >24 hours so if you want to shorten the night, i've been given authority to do so as long as every player remaining in the game DMs me (on the org discord) to say they want to shorten it, which would mean it starts tomorrow at the usual time. (i.e. in 20 hours-ish) otherwise it'd be in 20+24 hours ish.
the night continues... see you in 24 hours.
ladd has died! vanilla.
as a reminder, votes are locked today!
a Robert Bolaño quote for you, as inspiration: (it's flavor!)
“Write in the morning, revise in the afternoon, read at night, and spend the rest of your time exercising your diplomacy, stealth, and charm.”
go!
I obviously lean one way but in gonna do some rereading. Votes are locked so don't want to be hasty
so from my pov, cape has been confirmed wolf ever since ender's flip
the only thing that would have cast this in doubt was maple being the nk instead, because ladd tinfoil, but i have been blessed
everyone else has flipped vanilla. I am vanilla. maple can only be town with the wolf powers that were in play
i will repeat my comment from days ago where I pointed out that cape has always found a way to not actually push taffy when it mattered. when taffy was seriously on the block, he made a hail mary attempt at trying to get a flash wagon on me
Interesting, so I thought I was going to die or Maple was going to die there so seeing ladd is throwing me off.
Of the top of my head, I think it's Syn, I think his play yesterday makes sense if he's mafia, felt like he was fishing for me to get miselimmed, but when Ender said #1371 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862931&viewfull=1#post2053862931) calling me town, Syn voted Ender #1377 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862937&viewfull=1#post2053862937). Like it looks like mafia trying to fish for the easiest elimination to move forward that day.
It would also be such a lolcape play to move from the mafia I was pushing to another mafia, in which case I did nothing wrong days 1, 2 and 4.
The thing that made me doubt my Syn push day 5 was how Syn came into that day. Though I think killing Ender was a mistake because i think there was a pretty high chance that if Ender was mafia, he would have just kept hard-pushing me instead of just pull a jarring 180 move.
Another thing that makes me doubt it's Syn is I technically have the most reason to believe he is town, like even out of the POE of maple/syn/ladd, I had the most reasons to townread syn's play mechanically like the fact Syn actually followed me onto Taffy for a period of time day 2 and I think tied it for top wagon(s)? at the time (idk I would have to actually fact check that).
I would have to revisit the reasons why people were suspecting Maple and why Maple ever got traction in the first place, which I don't actually remember admittedly. I haven't really swayed off my TR of Maple and never felt the real need to. BUT, recently Manti snowed people in a recent offsite indie mash game (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/50440) when she was wolf there.
Not to mention ofc the very convenient claim Manti had of universal backup and Manti making a hood with Hally... making a tldr that felt... believable enough #1384 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862949&viewfull=1#post2053862949) and I could see the POV on why Manti would choose Hally to be in hood with them as stated earlier (I mean I am assuming it was obvious to anyone paying attention to what Manti was saying which makes me wish that Manti didn't just go with the person they seemed so obviously like they were going to pick). But that could have been a part of their ploy so like... IDK, I question the hooding decision a bit.
Syn is making me want to snapvote him because this POV that he has right now is sooooooo fricking wolfy bro
Syn is making me want to snapvote him because this POV that he has right now is sooooooo fricking wolfy bro
vote: Cape90
be the change you want to see in the world
so from my pov, cape has been confirmed wolf ever since ender's flip
the only thing that would have cast this in doubt was maple being the nk instead, because ladd tinfoil, but i have been blessed
this is specifically the comment that makes me wanna go "oh frick off wolf lmao"
unless the roles of this game were designed to troll, there is no world that maple is wolf. it shouldn't even be a consideration on your end
vote: Cape90
be the change you want to see in the world
Vote: cape90
ggs that's game
Dumbest fakeclaim of my life
Yes that's game! Well I'm sad Gemma isn't here to officially end it, uh...
So The wolves win!
Cape and Syn were vanilla. Maple was a wolf with this role:
Visceral Realist poet (supposedly)
You are Mafia. Your partners are x and x. You have been cordially invited to join the wolfchat: x (you will accept, of course)
A rispetto, professor, is a kind of lyrical verse, romantic to be precise, similar to the strambotto, with six or eight hendecasyllabic lines, the first four in the form of a serventesio and the following composed in rhyming couplets. For example…”
Each night, you must write an insulting rispetto, which will be published in thread at the start of the next day phase, else be vanillaized.
If Wide Willem Kinski dies, you gain a Vanillaizer shot.
You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain. (edited)
[6:02 PM]
I'll invite you all to the DVC and stuff
Brah, wtf were you doing Syn, you shouldnt have had that POV given Ender's legacy
EnderWiggin
01-19-2025, 02:37
Brah, wtf were you doing Syn, you shouldnt have had that POV given Ender's legacy
I legacied you both as town =P
unless the roles of this game were designed to troll, there is no world that maple is wolf. it shouldn't even be a consideration on your end
the role was never proven to be real :crying:
so three wolf PRs, two of which with tracking and sensors, against one town PR that doesn't visit anyone
okay
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol
I legacied you both as town =P
right but like, I think "if ender is not wolf, then cape must be" is a crazy POV to have when that goes against what you stood for lmao
well im a bit salty because I was actually goiung to backread and actually do proper f3 stuff but ig just losing was also an option
yeah wait, why were there 3 mafia prs?
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol
I was as confused as you. I thought one of yall had to be bg sandbagging a claim or smth.
there was an error in randing the setup where ender, who was supposed to be the third town PR, was mistakenly given a vanilla PM
this error was not announced or corrected, hence
there was an error in randing the setup where ender, who was supposed to be the third town PR, was mistakenly given a vanilla PM
this error was not announced or corrected, hence
basically, we were all right to read the setup as needing a third town PR
so nobody feel bad about the outcome, manti would have been killed easily without the error “clearing” her
gg wp all
this game was actually pretty fun, mech aside
gg wp
thanks for playing everyone!
apologies for mod error, made the setup pretty troll
somewhat cursed game with visor being mia and wolves being extremely boxed in from day 2 onwards, was fun to watch all the same
https://discord.gg/Te5n3xue
basically, we were all right to read the setup as needing a third town PR
so nobody feel bad about the outcome, manti would have been killed easily without the error “clearing” her
gg wp all
That makes more sense lol
Oh
My reads where correct this game after all
Congrats wolves and thanks hosts!
Totally not Taffy
01-19-2025, 15:29
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol
It was an honest mistake on Gemma's part where town was supposed to have had a third PR, it's all explained in the discord spoiler channel.
I'm sure without that town would've swept :sweatdrop:
Ggs and thanks for the game everybody :smitten:
Luigimarioparty.gif
Thanks for running
Thanks for the carry wolfbros
Sorry for the shit performance, will be a few months before I have time for ww again
Raskolnikov
01-19-2025, 20:43
my mistake thinking the setup wouldn't be a troll lol
Just yeet wolfy posters brah!
GG Wp people. Was a fun game.
Next time Ill set Manti's dog on fire and be done with it lol.
Raskolnikov
01-19-2025, 20:46
Also thanks for hosting Gemma. Very nice flavor.
Some good laughs in dvc (sadge I couldnt join much this week though)
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