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Welcome to Bolañafia, a mafia game with the theme of Roberto Bolaño's books! This is the thread where the game will be played and shenanigalous fun will doubtless ensue. Game will start on the 4th of Jan, 20:00 EST. (Roughly 24 hrs from now.) Don't post until then!
https://i.imgur.com/FbS3j00.jpeg
Rules
1. 8pm EST deadlines, 75 postcap lifted 1 hr before deadline.
2. This is a normal 10:3 closed setup with full flips. (The setup was codesigned by dC, if you like anything about the roles then he is responsible for it. Everything else is my fault. Jan reviewed the setup and he is faultless no matter what. Thank them both!)
3. Day phases will last 48 hours, Night phases will last 24 hours. There will be a 24 hour pregame period. Wolves have daytalk at all times, including pregame.
4. Do not lie about real-life commitments. Similarly, do not question the validity of other players’ real-life commitments. If you will be inactive for a prolonged period of time, inform the game host so you can be replaced.
5. Mafia is a game of analysis - removing a player’s ability to analyze things is against the spirit of the game. Keep references that only a handful of players would understand to a minimum. Encoded messages, hidden text, and other such methods are a no-no. Everything you have to say or not say should be clearly readable in your post by anyone.
6. You may thank posts (but do it responsibly). Do not edit your posts. Do not quote information directly from moderator communication, your role PM, private chats, or any other sources of game communication outside the main game thread. Only living players may post in the game thread. Do not post in the game thread during the Night phase, unless your role explicitly allows you to do so.
7. You may not privately communicate with anyone except the game moderator, unless you're explicitly allowed to do so by the game moderator. This includes using systems outside the scope of the game to communicate something game-related. Any game-related questions should be asked privately to the moderator. Do not talk about your conversations with the moderator in any game thread.
8. Do not use out-of-game information (such as Discord, other forum activity, other mafia activity, or real-life activity) to generate reads. Do not use out-of-game information to exert pressure or influence on this game. Do not mention out of game information in the context of explaining or speculating on a player’s alignment in this game.
9. Votes must be bolded and on a separate line using this format: Vote: player. Any votes not following this format will not be counted. You will be rewarded with frequent and (probably) accurate vote counts. :00 good, :01 bad. Votes made after modpost saying stop posting will not be counted.
10. Majority votes will not cause a yeet until YoLo, (you’re goddamn right) where votes will be locked. The player with the most votes at deadline will be yeeted. In the event of a tie, the yeet will be randed between the tied wagons by the game moderator.
11. Do not fake daytime activations. There may or may not be daytime abilities, but faking them will get you a Stern Warning or possibly modkilled.
12. If you believe a player is violating one of these rules by the letter, or in spirit, contact the game moderator privately. Do NOT address the potential violation in the thread, proceed on normally.
13. Moderator decisions are final. Dels will be backup mod for the duration of the game.
14. Keep the game fun for everyone, since that's why we're all here.
Vanilla role PM:
You are Vanilla.
You are Town.
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
Players
Rask
Visor
Ender
Hally
Mantichora
Taffy
Von
Cuth
Ladd
Syn
Waza
Wisdom
Cape
night 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862121&viewfull=1#post2053862121)
night 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862627&viewfull=1#post2053862627)
night 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053862886&viewfull=1#post2053862886)
flavor text for no particular reason (a quote from some book)
And then the officer of the Wehrmacht and the Chilean diplomat left the attic room together, and as they went down the interminable, precipitous stairs to the street, Jünger said he did not think the Guatemalan would live until the following winter, an odd remark for him to make, since by then it was obvious to everyone that many thousands of people were not going to live until the following winter, most of them much healthier than the Guatemalan, most of them happier, most of them unmistakably endowed with a stronger will to live, but Jünger made the remark all the same, perhaps without thinking, or not wishing to confuse separate issues, and Don Salvador agreed once again, although, having known and visited the painter over a longer period, he was not so sure the Guatemalan would die, nevertheless he agreed: Of course, Quite so, or perhaps he just made that diplomatic hmm hmm noise that can mean absolutely anything.
Day 1 start!
Raskolnikov Visor EnderWiggin Hally Maple Totally not Taffy Vaimes Cuthalion ladd Syn waza Wisdom Cape90
no spammers in the PL means less reading which is nice
but now im realising its a double edged sword lol
EnderWiggin
01-05-2025, 02:31
no spammers in the PL means less reading which is nice
but now im realising its a double edged sword lol
Be the spammer you want to see.
EnderWiggin
01-05-2025, 02:32
And with this sage advice, I'm out. My job here is done. *Insert Tuxedo Mask gif*
no spammers in the PL means less reading which is nice
but now im realising its a double edged sword lol
There is a 75 post cap anyways, so I don't really follow your concern here
what makes it a double edged sword? Are you worried about people underposting? I don't really see that with the PL maybe except for ladd myself tbh.
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Anyways, hello everyone! Excited to see the HUGE plays in this HUGE mafia game :)
There is a 75 post cap anyways, so I don't really follow your concern here
what makes it a double edged sword? Are you worried about people underposting? I don't really see that with the PL maybe except for ladd myself tbh.
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Anyways, hello everyone! Excited to see the HUGE plays in this HUGE mafia game :)
concerning because we dont have the sod rush you see in some games which is usually a good time to pick up early trs on other slos and maybe a struggling scum
si j'avais un dollar pour chaque fois que Raskol a lancé un tueur en série dans mes jeux et l'a immédiatement foiré, j'aurais deux dollars. qui aurait deviné que les français capituleraient immédiatement sous la pression ? :rideau:
troisième fois le charme, j'ai le rôle prêt et j'attends le prochain jeu d'organisation :curtain: :curtain: :curtain: :curtain:
Vote: Raskol
it's easy to have fun when you have a library card
I'm comfortable locking visor town
It's so jarring to not have 50+ posts within the first ten minutes of the game opening.
Vote: Syn
I'm comfortable locking visor town
I had the same thought about Ender.
no spammers in the PL means less reading which is nice
but now im realising its a double edged sword lol
What makes you say that?
I am going to lock cape in as town (am i doing it right? i feel left out :()
what the hell is a PL
what are you kids doing with mafia now
one of vaimes or waza is wolf
what the hell is a PL
Player List
What makes you say that?
i didnt recognise anyone in the PL thats a spammer lol
whyd u vote syn? feels kind of out of sync with your post after the vote
gth cape and syn v
what the hell is a PL
what are you kids doing with mafia now
one of vaimes or waza is wolf
you're probably right
and no this isn't a wolfclaim
i didnt recognise anyone in the PL thats a spammer lol
whyd u vote syn? feels kind of out of sync with your post after the vote
gth cape and syn v
Does this site not do RVS?
i didnt recognise anyone in the PL thats a spammer lol
whyd u vote syn? feels kind of out of sync with your post after the vote
gth cape and syn v
I just want to say this
In all the games I have participated in on this site, I have never really seen a spammer. Usually games here are pretty chill which I like.
Does this site not do RVS?
You are asking a person who would know as much as you about that. Yeah RVS is a thing on this site, kinda had to check to refresh my memory on that because I never really like... noted that or anything of that sort.
Also you can literally see Visor is right there with an RVS vote.
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As a sidenote, I feel like I have to explain how to ISO people on this website to new players who aren't used to this sort of forum website that wouldn't have all the features of MU for instance.
1. Go back to Gameroom
2. On the right side of the screen, you should see how many views and replies a thread has.
3. Click the number next to replies (it is a hyperlink) and a pop up will show you who's posted in the thread and how many posts they have.
4. Click the number across from a players name and you will be shown a preview of their posts in the thread (it is not perfect as I don't think there is a way to view full posts from there without clicking the link to the post)
Not important right now, but as the game progresses it will be useful.
My bad, didn't think to look at his postcount.
The ISO tip is helpful, thanks.
waza why assume my vote is serious?
Player List
thanks
you've earned a limp and clammy handshake
My bad, didn't think to look at his postcount.
The ISO tip is helpful, thanks.
waza why assume my vote is serious?
Hmmm not sure I have an answer
If I had to guess it’s because I was in a serious headspace at the time and wanted something to happen so I was reading your post from a more serious mindset
And also because it happened right after Syn had made some posts so I naturally assumed there was something in his posts you didn’t like. Which ties into what I found scummy about you (under the assumption your vote was serious). Because you voted him and then asked him a question instead of the other way around which is a more natural progression
Hmmm not sure I have an answer
If I had to guess it’s because I was in a serious headspace at the time and wanted something to happen so I was reading your post from a more serious mindset
And also because it happened right after Syn had made some posts so I naturally assumed there was something in his posts you didn’t like. Which ties into what I found scummy about you (under the assumption your vote was serious). Because you voted him and then asked him a question instead of the other way around which is a more natural progression
Vaimes never asked Syn a question, they asked you a question.
Even if Vaimes' vote was serious, I don't see how that would be scummy, I mean, a post before Vaimes voted Syn, Syn was saying that visor was lock town for a post I would consider NAI, so from that stand point, I don't really see the issue with Vaimes' vote there even from a serious perspective
Hmmm not sure I have an answer
If I had to guess it’s because I was in a serious headspace at the time and wanted something to happen so I was reading your post from a more serious mindset
And also because it happened right after Syn had made some posts so I naturally assumed there was something in his posts you didn’t like. Which ties into what I found scummy about you (under the assumption your vote was serious). Because you voted him and then asked him a question instead of the other way around which is a more natural progression
You're making a lot of assumptions there, friend. Why not just ask me? Or like. Lay out the thought process that leads you to your opinions.
Vaimes never asked Syn a question, they asked you a question.
Even if Vaimes' vote was serious, I don't see how that would be scummy, I mean, a post before Vaimes voted Syn, Syn was saying that visor was lock town for a post I would consider NAI, so from that stand point, I don't really see the issue with Vaimes' vote there even from a serious perspective
Oh yeah you’re right I misremembered how it played out in my head
They voted but then commented on something syn Said, but they did it in a way that didn’t feel like someone was speaking to their scumread (understandable if it was purely an rvs vote)
And then they asked a question but the question pinged me so I probs just merged the two in my head when I was answering the question
You're making a lot of assumptions there, friend. Why not just ask me? Or like. Lay out the thought process that leads you to your opinions.
Because there wasn’t much for me to ask you there, regardless of what I asked I don’t think your answer would change much regardless of your alignment and if your vote was actually serious it would give you a chance to pass it off as one that wasn’t if I Just asked you on it
?
Ok, so your claim is that because you find/found me scummy, there's no point in asking me "Why did you vote Syn?" because...you already decided I'm scummy and that taints any answer I could give. Or something. Which is silly, because if we all did that then there would be no game. Just people throwing out gutreads and voting.
Making people commit to words is a good thing. Projecting your own thoughts/feelings onto someone else and reading them through that filter it is a bad thing.
Let's try something else, now that we've righted a couple of wrongs, and then I gotta go to bed.
Do you still think I'm scummy? Why or why not?
How do you feel about Syn? He thinks one and only one of us is a wolf. Do you care why?
Why do you think Cape is towny?
Are you familiar with anyone on this playerlist?
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Ok, so your claim is that because you find/found me scummy, there's no point in asking me "Why did you vote Syn?" because...you already decided I'm scummy and that taints any answer I could give. Or something. Which is silly, because if we all did that then there would be no game. Just people throwing out gutreads and voting.
Making people commit to words is a good thing. Projecting your own thoughts/feelings onto someone else and reading them through that filter it is a bad thing.
Pretty much yeah
It’s super early into the game, I don’t have to be thorough at that point and explore every angle. Even if my assumption is wrong I have plenty of time to change my mind, so there’s no harm in throwing out what I said and seeing how you or others react. Case in point is this series of events led to us having this convo which lead me to changing my read on you anyways without having me to have probe you earlier
And if im right on u now then I got to the right conclusion regardless
Let's try something else, now that we've righted a couple of wrongs, and then I gotta go to bed.
Do you still think I'm scummy? Why or why not?
How do you feel about Syn? He thinks one and only one of us is a wolf. Do you care why?
Why do you think Cape is towny?
Are you familiar with anyone on this playerlist?
I think ur obv town
My answers to you were sloppy and I think you had plenty of chances to just not follow through with the approach you have had with me and just call me scummy, but instead you have given me a lot of good faith and it feels like you’re really trying to solve and understand me better here
No I don’t care about syns read on us
Cape is also obv v but I cbf explaining because a lot of it is stuff you won’t find convincing because it relies on me just knowing him well and reading him well imo
I know most of this PL
Waza v
About the read I expected you + hally to have when you checked in regardless of your rands lol
What’s your thoughts on the rest?
About the read I expected you + hally to have when you checked in regardless of your rands lol
What’s your thoughts on the rest?
Not really have any tbh. Vaimes seems fine but he is the only person whose meta i dont know
I just wanted to get the v read on you out before it became too obvious otherwise i wouldnt even have posted :curtain:
Cuthillius
01-05-2025, 07:59
hi babes
Waza v
On second thought I think ladd saying this and nothing else might be ever so slightly rand v for him
He knows it’s not something I would tr him for as a wolf so he probs wouldn’t waste time on this, I kinda buy its just a thought he had and wanted to get out
I think Vaimes' latest 2 posts just make them town.
I kind of squint at #28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861573&viewfull=1#post2053861573) but otherwise I townread waza. I do not know whether waza calling me obv v comes from his comment earlier #18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861563&viewfull=1#post2053861563) or like one of the 2 things (or both) I have said since then. I keep getting a nudging feeling that waza's posts are strange despite my TR there. Just feels a bit clumsy (on top of the other thing I already said).
I townread waza because of said clumsiness though and I feel like the ladd thought is natural and he wouldn't play around Vaimes the way he is if he were wolf IMO.
Kinda like ladd's latest post.
I do not have any read on Ender/Syn/Visor right now. Only thing I can say about any of those slots is Syn's posting seems like Syn meta wise.
Gonna be a bit until I join, just wanna say hi and hype!
EnderWiggin
01-05-2025, 09:55
Vote: Waza
We can't be having consensus town in this town. How dare you be towny.
EnderWiggin
01-05-2025, 09:56
Vaimes is also in danger of reaching "Too towny". Please keep a watch out for this dangerous individual.
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 10:36
Sup friendos and Visor (lmao my eyes are still bleeding pal)
Vaimes is also in danger of reaching "Too towny". Please keep a watch out for this dangerous individual.
Kinda wanna lock you town for this simply from vibe!
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 12:32
waza/Vaimes villagery
Syn and Cape feel a bit pockety to me rn.
Vote: Visor
my play as SK is textbook for optimal play, Ill take no questions about this (ladd and Ender nodding along)
For Visor only,
si j'avais un dollar pour chaque fois que Raskol a joué un tueur en série dans les parties que j'ai organisé et l'a immédiatement foiré, j'aurais deux dollars. qui aurait deviné que les français capituleraient immédiatement sous la pression ? :rideau:
Jamais deux sans trois, j'ai le rôle prêt et j'attends que ce guignol s'inscrive à ma prochaine partie
rideau
waza/Vaimes villagery
Syn and Cape feel a bit pockety to me rn.
Vote: Visor
my play as SK is textbook for optimal play, Ill take no questions about this (ladd and Ender nodding along)
For Visor only,
si j'avais un dollar pour chaque fois que Raskol a joué un tueur en série dans les parties que j'ai organisé et l'a immédiatement foiré, j'aurais deux dollars. qui aurait deviné que les français capituleraient immédiatement sous la pression ? :rideau:
Jamais deux sans trois, j'ai le rôle prêt et j'attends que ce guignol s'inscrive à ma prochaine partie
rideau
sup braddam, good to play with u again
you mention syn/cape feel a bit pockety. what gives you that vibe?
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 13:24
MOstly Syn posting "thanks", "handshake" to Cape, or "hi" (with four more i, go figure) to Cuth.
Cape posting tips about ISOing here lol. I am not sure I like how he inserted himself in the convo between Vaimes and you either (post #26), but that's mostly a vibe rn.
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 13:25
and sup, happy to play with u too (haha)
MOstly Syn posting "thanks", "handshake" to Cape, or "hi" (with four more i, go figure) to Cuth.
Cape posting tips about ISOing here lol. I am not sure I like how he inserted himself in the convo between Vaimes and you either (post #26), but that's mostly a vibe rn.
ahhh fair haha im not sure if i tr this answer or sr it
kinda thought your previous post was scummy because i wasnt seeing the pocket angle you mentioned at first, and in my head i was waiting for a wolf to eventually call me and vaimes exchange as v/v (villas can too! but wolves like to latch onto that stuff sometimes as well)
BUT im a sucker for you being pinged by the extra i's in Hi lol, its something ive usually noticed as a villa too but i cant remember ever making that type of read as a wolf. I do agree the extra I's feel a bit weird lol, and maybe syn not having any thoughts on two of his scumreads after they had a big exchange with each other is also a little odd ig. BUT (again) i kinda thought him calling visor lock town for a shitpost was kinda towny since i think wolves tend to avoid making those kinda reads (if it was a serious read, if this is another case of me reading into an rvs post that meant nothing then ignore it)
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 13:46
I am pretty sure he was sleeping while u had that chat with Vaimes so I wouldn't read into it yet.
in the same vein, do you have a read on Wisdom?
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 13:48
oh nvm, he posted his "hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" just after.
I am pretty sure he was sleeping while u had that chat with Vaimes so I wouldn't read into it yet.
in the same vein, do you have a read on Wisdom?
hmmm nah not really any read on wisdom
she seems relaxed/chill but idk if that means anything for her alignment
thanks
you've earned a limp and clammy handshake
going back to the thanks and handshake from this post you brought up
what about it feels pockety iyo?
how would you imagine town!syn to have posted any differently?
my god, this site takes FOREVER to load a new page
Pretty much yeah
It’s super early into the game, I don’t have to be thorough at that point and explore every angle. Even if my assumption is wrong I have plenty of time to change my mind, so there’s no harm in throwing out what I said and seeing how you or others react. Case in point is this series of events led to us having this convo which lead me to changing my read on you anyways without having me to have probe you earlier
And if im right on u now then I got to the right conclusion regardless
Meh? For some reason I feel like this doesn't jive with wanting serious things to happen.
But I like your posts outside of that, sooo...
I'm sorry to inform you I am a spammer, but it comes from a place of love and not of wanting to drown the thread in nonsense.
I am instituting a blanket sus on anyone who popped in and didn't comment on me and waza, because (1) we're the most attractive people here, (2), it's the most interesting thing to happen so far, and (3) it might be two villagers finding each other.
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 14:59
going back to the thanks and handshake from this post you brought up
what about it feels pockety iyo?
how would you imagine town!syn to have posted any differently?
dunno, maybe not adding that second sentence... but at the same time I don't wanna force a read there (and I feel u may be willing to push me into it :stare:)
Vaimes: good, my job is done here. (also I hope the loading times will improve, this site is capricious at times smh)
good morning chat! didnt realize this game was still gonna run but im here for it. i nearly made the mistake of joining some MU mountainous game cause i was starting to get the itch...
im prob gonna head back to bed now. i had a really weird dream last night.
i was trying to get to the movies but i kept getting stuck in traffic. at one point i had to get out of my car and switch to a tricycle? idk.
byebye!
Totally not Taffy
01-05-2025, 16:40
There is a 75 post cap anyways, so I don't really follow your concern here
what makes it a double edged sword? Are you worried about people underposting? I don't really see that with the PL maybe except for ladd myself tbh.
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Anyways, hello everyone! Excited to see the HUGE plays in this HUGE mafia game :)
Sign up for a game
Invite all of your cute friends
Skip into the thread
Immediately met by a grotesque monster with bloodshot eyes and the gore of its victims smeared all over its pelt like a trophy
What have you done to Cape?!
(j/k the new avi is nice)
Totally not Taffy
01-05-2025, 16:43
It's so jarring to not have 50+ posts within the first ten minutes of the game opening.
Vote: Syn
Well SoD is like 2am for about 1/3 of the players so... but yeah games here tend to have drip feed starts and then as many posts get made in the last three hours of the day as there've been in the 48 before that so be careful what you wish for :laugh4:
Which of these players have you played with before?
Totally not Taffy
01-05-2025, 16:45
I am instituting a blanket sus on anyone who popped in and didn't comment on me and waza, because (1) we're the most attractive people here, (2), it's the most interesting thing to happen so far, and (3) it might be two villagers finding each other.
I disagree actually, the most interesting thing that happened through that was Cape soft defending you.
Also if that convo was enough for you two to "find" eachother it might just be w/w
I disagree actually, the most interesting thing that happened through that was Cape soft defending you.
Also if that convo was enough for you two to "find" eachother it might just be w/w
I like the spicy takes. You will be rewarded for your original thoughts.
Think I've only played with Cuth. I recognize other names but idk if they're the same people.
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 17:53
:hide:
I am so gonna tunnel the s!?% out of whoever ends up replacing you :curtain:
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 17:57
I disagree actually, the most interesting thing that happened through that was Cape soft defending you.
Also if that convo was enough for you two to "find" eachother it might just be w/w
I noted that too (I also noted waza dodging that remark and doubling down on me "shading" Syn :p)
speaking of which,
waza: I asked ur read about Wis because they seemingly locked Ender for what looks like a shitpost too and was curious if u had any thought about it.
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 18:01
I had a dream too Maple, I was vigging Visor and his role card was 3P survivor without killing power. weird.
I am so gonna tunnel the s!?% out of whoever ends up replacing you :curtain:
:surrender:
ngl i’ve been lurking the entire time but didn’t feel like i had anything interesting to share (and still don’t)
i think i’ve gotten so used to only ever subbing in that i forgot what you’re supposed to do when there aren’t already 20 pages to work with :laugh4:
Vaimes, I'm curious -- you're evidently new to the org, but where have you played mafia before previously? You mentioned knowing cuth, so I'm just wondering.
I considered opening with a tunnel on waza but everyone, including ladd, thinks his opening here was at minimum *fine* so I'll just sit here and pout instead. Mm, really there's a LOT of slots here that I could see myself opening up with a tunnel on, but I'd rather meow at my boyfriend instead of getting into things this early.
I'm sleep and energy deprived from a lot of travels the last few weeks + had my once-every-five-year big birthday party yesterday. I'm exhausted but still really hyped by this game!
A few notes in case I pass out:
- Syn town for now but we'll see, I have a bad track record on him
- Ender town, good vibes
- I can see why ladd would be town but not locking it
- Rask wolf (yes)
- Dunno about Waza, I really struggle on that one, but I get w/w vibes from his interactions with Rask, so
- Don't know about Vaimes' alignment but I really look forward to playing with him
Who needs 75 posts when you can just solve the game before hitting post min (:
I noted that too (I also noted waza dodging that remark and doubling down on me "shading" Syn :p)
speaking of which,
waza: I asked ur read about Wis because they seemingly locked Ender for what looks like a shitpost too and was curious if u had any thought about it.
ahh fair enough
ive seen wisdom do stuff like that in the past and i think as both alignments hence why i didnt read too much into it when she done it, plus wisdom is someone who i think i read better with time in the thread
taffy v
towny posts + good tone, and i dont think the thought of me + vaimes being w/w ever crosses the mind of a wolf lol - very uninformed take even if they just said it in passing
happy birthday wisdom :party2:
hope you’re enjoying the gift of a town rand
ahh fair enough
ive seen wisdom do stuff like that in the past and i think as both alignments hence why i didnt read too much into it when she done it, plus wisdom is someone who i think i read better with time in the thread
If you're actually town here this is a nice/sharp thought. I do think Rask is just making content for the sake of looking active here though. He'd know there's not much to make out of it and I don't see why he'd ask you about it if not for the sake of making conversation.
on god, it is faster for me to manually quote/link posts than press the "reply with quote" button. buffers for 15 internet explorer years. good grief
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Maple I've been playing since 2014, but the main sites I played on (DarkLordPotter, Magic the Gathering: Salvation, FantasyStrike) either don't really exist anymore, or the players there got absorbed into MU slash quit mafia. I play like once a year on MU now.
Post 72 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861617&viewfull=1#post2053861617)
I'm sleep and energy deprived from a lot of travels the last few weeks + had my once-every-five-year big birthday party yesterday. I'm exhausted but still really hyped by this game!
A few notes in case I pass out:
- Syn town for now but we'll see, I have a bad track record on him
- Ender town, good vibes
- I can see why ladd would be town but not locking it
- Rask wolf (yes)
- Dunno about Waza, I really struggle on that one, but I get w/w vibes from his interactions with Rask, so
- Don't know about Vaimes' alignment but I really look forward to playing with him
Who needs 75 posts when you can just solve the game before hitting post min (:
Hi, sorry in advance for the incoming avalanche. Why immediately undermine your own townread on Syn, or bother giving a read on him at all? What vibes from Ender? What is your view on how the rest of the players see ladd vs. how you see him? Why Rask wolf yes? What gives you the w/w vibes? Why are you so enamored by me? Just wanted to give you a headstart on fleshing out your notes.
Sidenote, I default to male pronouns when I don't know somebody on the Internet, which is mostly all of you, so if that bothers anyone please lmk and I'll put it in my notes.
Vaimes, I'm curious -- you're evidently new to the org, but where have you played mafia before previously? You mentioned knowing cuth, so I'm just wondering.
I considered opening with a tunnel on waza but everyone, including ladd, thinks his opening here was at minimum *fine* so I'll just sit here and pout instead. Mm, really there's a LOT of slots here that I could see myself opening up with a tunnel on, but I'd rather meow at my boyfriend instead of getting into things this early.
when has this ever stopped you before? im somewhat thinking back to that recent turbo where you hard tunneled luccess and someone else because they townread you when you felt like you werent towny. to me it felt like once you decided to tunnel them there was no talking you out of it (not that i reallly tried to much)
If you're actually town here this is a nice/sharp thought. I do think Rask is just making content for the sake of looking active here though. He'd know there's not much to make out of it and I don't see why he'd ask you about it if not for the sake of making conversation.
hmmm maybe youre v too lol
happy birthday wisdom :party2:
hope you’re enjoying the gift of a town rand
Thanks!
You too tbqh ^^ Glad I don't need to be paranoid of you this game! (Might have forgotten to say but Hally v)
On another note the site's painfully slow
on god, it is faster for me to manually quote/link posts than press the "reply with quote" button. buffers for 15 internet explorer years. good grief
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Maple I've been playing since 2014, but the main sites I played on (DarkLordPotter, Magic the Gathering: Salvation, FantasyStrike) either don't really exist anymore, or the players there got absorbed into MU slash quit mafia. I play like once a year on MU now.
Hi, sorry in advance for the incoming avalanche. Why immediately undermine your own townread on Syn, or bother giving a read on him at all? What vibes from Ender? What is your view on how the rest of the players see ladd vs. how you see him? Why Rask wolf yes? What gives you the w/w vibes? Why are you so enamored by me? Just wanted to give you a headstart on fleshing out your notes.
Sidenote, I default to male pronouns when I don't know somebody on the Internet, which is mostly all of you, so if that bothers anyone please lmk and I'll put it in my notes.
Ask me most stuff again in 12 hours, I have a headache and need to sleep. Syn tho, I've either misread him or wolfed with him when he’s been wolfing. I had a meta previously that was more mood-indicative than alignment indicative. I do, however, feel that his posts aren't forced.
I'm enamored by you because I haven't played with you and you seem really skilled and nice to play with! Good thoughts/posts so far!
hmmm maybe youre v too lol
In my last 30 games I've been a wolf in more than 20 so I might be easier to read than normal just from pure relief ^^'
Btw I'm 2x firefighter
lol
Vaimes
Totally not Taffy
waza
Wisdom
Cape90
what if.
noted vaimes, im familiar with both of those, welcome! I'm Mantichora or CatgirlMaple on MU, in case you know me.
when has this ever stopped you before? im somewhat thinking back to that recent turbo where you hard tunneled luccess and someone else because they townread you when you felt like you werent towny. to me it felt like once you decided to tunnel them there was no talking you out of it (not that i reallly tried to much)
In that turbo turbo, it wasnt the v read itself, it was because lucch said he v read my catchup, and at that point i had made like 2 gay shitposts and threw out a random vote or something -- idr the specifics. Cem came in and said "i agree" or whatever. Neither slot could have genuinly held the reads as written, so i got them killed. I maintain that lucches deserved to die for that post and idc that he was the joat, PRs need to just not act like wolves all the time.
In this game tho, I generally respect ladd's earlygame reads since he's a competent player, and so while your interactions at SoD pinged me, I'm just gonna wait and see for now and think about sponging that.
im also making a note of nl snapping a vote off on ladd.
anyway, for lunch today im making an egg quesadilla. Im really excited!
My general playstyle these days is all about cooperation and working together, so I *do* try to keep everyone's reads in mind. You'll be seeing that soon :3
ladd
babe.
tell me your secrets.
also i've decided to drop typing properly bc i feel cozy here. hell yeah
Vaimes - Name a way of reading people that others tends to do but you think is bad
I had a dream too Maple, I was vigging Visor and his role card was 3P survivor without killing power. weird.
:curtain: :curtain: :curtain:
fun fact, i actually won a game as serial killer that couldnt kill
Lissa
Thanks!
You too tbqh ^^ Glad I don't need to be paranoid of you this game! (Might have forgotten to say but Hally v)
On another note the site's painfully slow
the site has unfortunately been as slow as raskol for the last month or so
hopefully it gets fixed at some point but i am not holding out hope
i actually wanted to wolfread syn for v reading me last night but figured i'd sit on it a bit instead and have decided the throwing out of reads (even if jokes) is mildly villagery instead
ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv
Post 86 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861632&viewfull=1#post2053861632)
Vaimes - Name a way of reading people that others tends to do but you think is bad
meta
but more in the sense of a blank/early meta read that persists and becomes a confbias that's a real bitch to untangle
ladd
babe.
tell me your secrets.
also i've decided to drop typing properly bc i feel cozy here. hell yeah
I really don't have any
your list looks like a pretty good shot at getting down some villa reads given what's been posted ITT s far
i think you and waza are villagers
i agree taffy is villagery for their view of the early game
i thought wisdom's read on rask was a bit forced but then i went back to re read pg.2 and i can def see why a villager would think waza/rask look w/w, their convo was pretty softball stuff
wisdom v reads on ender/hally also look bit early to me but i know wisdom well enuf that's probably just a playstyle thing and I think I like their (wisdom's) general posting and observation on waza/rask to have them as a v lean
never been good at reading cape but if waza says lock v i am willing to sheep it for now
i actually wanted to wolfread syn for v reading me last night but figured i'd sit on it a bit instead and have decided the throwing out of reads (even if jokes) is mildly villagery instead
ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv
what's the difference?
ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohc12ttM2YjgASeis/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611nrzhll420tr3i4t0mwej0fokb1jhuq2m2ofvz2c7&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
lol
Vaimes
Totally not Taffy
waza
Wisdom
Cape90
what if.
:yes:
random thoughts:
- i kinda see what the people who are struggling to get a town read on waza are saying, but i think it could be because he only knows how to play at 100 mph so his posts feel out of flow/forced in such a slow thread :turtle: anyway, waza is probably not someone to worry about D1
- taffy floating waza/vaimes being w/w was a villagery thought
- also liked wisdom thinking the waza/rask interaction were weird. specifically, i’m not sure why rask cared to ask waza what his thoughts on wisdom were after she had only made one post. but then i kinda got suckered by rask saying i was gonna RWSTFO lol. TBD
- vaimes seems good. even this post that i’m quoting seems villagery because i was also thinking to myself if the game could be as ez as all these guys being villagers. and just generally get “this guy is a villager and he knows it” vibes. dunno vaimes meta at all but yeah.
- the passing line from cape where he was like “i keep feeling like waza’s posts are strange even though i town read him” struck me as villagery because it kinda sums up my thoughts on waza too and doesn’t feel like something a wolf would bother to say
- the thing i thought the most about is ladd town reading waza so fast and then waza town reading ladd back for town reading him and doing nothing else. BUT i recall ladd getting pushed in the past for town reading zack too fast because he’s more yolo with town reading strong players early, so he could be a villager doing that again. and waza could just be getting pocketed by that regardless of ladd’s alignment. so it could be nothing on both sides. or maybe ladd is a wolf pocketing waza. or maybe they’re w/w :curtain:
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 20:52
nah it's not for conversation sake Wisdom.
It's me realising I handed that townread to waza way too fast. I thought #24 and #28 were too convoluted and lacked selfawareness to come from a wolf and then I liked how they townread Vaimes, because I actually nodded along (basically Vaimes push wasn't agenda driven). But then I realised none of these things were actually AI for whoever is actually a decent wolf.
Then I noticed the difference of treatment between Syn and you. Then I thought back at what he liked in my post about Syn/Cape (I was pinged by the number of i) and all these things gave me the feeling waza was maybe just TMIing these.
Not going to call waza lock wolf aorn but one in waza/Cape wouldn't surprise me. here is where my head is at rn.
self-meta, ignore if this isn't your cup of bourbon
i struggled as a wolf for YEARS bc i always played with the same group of people and they could always read me really well. i can't lie long-term for shit. if i'm wolfing in a game full of strangers, it's a 50/50 whether i'll completely sweep everyone or get found out day 1 bc someone with a lot of threadpull tunneled me for having a wolfy response to a memepost or some undefendable shi like that
i actually wanted to wolfread syn for v reading me last night but figured i'd sit on it a bit instead and have decided the throwing out of reads (even if jokes) is mildly villagery instead
ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv
damn maybe you’re a villager too lol
or maybe i’m really washed :laugh4:
alright, i feel like i should go back to lurking and let the game develop more cuz i’m scaring myself town reading everyone who posts anything (i town read that last rask post too lol)
i might have forgotten how to play mafia :clown:
MOstly Syn posting "thanks", "handshake" to Cape, or "hi" (with four more i, go figure) to Cuth.
Cape posting tips about ISOing here lol. I am not sure I like how he inserted himself in the convo between Vaimes and you either (post #26), but that's mostly a vibe rn.
Look, the ISO thing may be silly, but I use it for future days often and think it's helpful to bring up to players unfamiliar with the site since it's so obscure. I find that waza is a pretty serious mafia player generally, so he might want to know for future reference, like I would have wanted for myself. My whole thing is we have to work together if we are town and I don't care if that includes "pocketing" or "coaching" or whatever.
Also I budded in to the convo between Vaimes and waza to solve the slots, also because I was there and bored, nothing else was going on. I thought waza misrepresenting something that was pretty obvious was strange and possibly pushing the Vaimes vote thing in bad faith so I wanted to try to see where waza was coming from with said post towards Vaimes.
The Syn stuff got a good laugh out of me though, you are funny
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 20:59
also happy bday Wis! (still disgusted by ur read :p)
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 21:03
always happy to bring a smile Cape :bow:
alright, i feel like i should go back to lurking and let the game develop more cuz i’m scaring myself town reading everyone who posts anything (i town read that last rask post too lol)
cause it's a post written from a villager ldo
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 21:09
hally villagery
ahhh fair haha im not sure if i tr this answer or sr it
kinda thought your previous post was scummy because i wasnt seeing the pocket angle you mentioned at first, and in my head i was waiting for a wolf to eventually call me and vaimes exchange as v/v (villas can too! but wolves like to latch onto that stuff sometimes as well)
BUT im a sucker for you being pinged by the extra i's in Hi lol, its something ive usually noticed as a villa too but i cant remember ever making that type of read as a wolf. I do agree the extra I's feel a bit weird lol, and maybe syn not having any thoughts on two of his scumreads after they had a big exchange with each other is also a little odd ig. BUT (again) i kinda thought him calling visor lock town for a shitpost was kinda towny since i think wolves tend to avoid making those kinda reads (if it was a serious read, if this is another case of me reading into an rvs post that meant nothing then ignore it)
What makes you SR rask's answer here? Also didn't I basically do the bolded?
I do not know if Syn not saying anything in #40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861585&viewfull=1#post2053861585) necessarily means that he had nothing to say about the exchange between you/Vaimes.
Also hint: saying "hiiii" is not scummy lol. I don't vibe with calling Syn town for calling Visor town over that though
vote:syn
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I'm sleep and energy deprived from a lot of travels the last few weeks + had my once-every-five-year big birthday party yesterday. I'm exhausted but still really hyped by this game!
A few notes in case I pass out:
- Syn town for now but we'll see, I have a bad track record on him
- Ender town, good vibes
- I can see why ladd would be town but not locking it
- Rask wolf (yes)
- Dunno about Waza, I really struggle on that one, but I get w/w vibes from his interactions with Rask, so
- Don't know about Vaimes' alignment but I really look forward to playing with him
Who needs 75 posts when you can just solve the game before hitting post min (:
That sounds p hype! Happy late birthday!
I didn't really get the uncomfortable energy coming off of rasks and wazas interaction that would indicate w/w vibes so I would like to hear more about this take
also happy bday Wis! (still disgusted by ur read :p)
Birthday's on Tuesday!
But it's 35 and I have a big party every 5 years, hence this weekend ^^
ahhh fair haha im not sure if i tr this answer or sr it
kinda thought your previous post was scummy because i wasnt seeing the pocket angle you mentioned at first, and in my head i was waiting for a wolf to eventually call me and vaimes exchange as v/v (villas can too! but wolves like to latch onto that stuff sometimes as well)
BUT im a sucker for you being pinged by the extra i's in Hi lol, its something ive usually noticed as a villa too but i cant remember ever making that type of read as a wolf. I do agree the extra I's feel a bit weird lol, and maybe syn not having any thoughts on two of his scumreads after they had a big exchange with each other is also a little odd ig. BUT (again) i kinda thought him calling visor lock town for a shitpost was kinda towny since i think wolves tend to avoid making those kinda reads (if it was a serious read, if this is another case of me reading into an rvs post that meant nothing then ignore it)
vaimes is the wolf send tweet
also i shan't be wolf-read for my love for cuth
cause it's a post written from a villager ldo
damn the ladd/waza/rask wolfchat must be poppin rn
dunno, maybe not adding that second sentence... but at the same time I don't wanna force a read there (and I feel u may be willing to push me into it :stare:)
Vaimes: good, my job is done here. (also I hope the loading times will improve, this site is capricious at times smh)
the only setting in my life where I offer only a simple thanks is the workplace, what is this read. how can you make this read with a straight face
vote: ladd
actually a good vote
damn the ladd/waza/rask wolfchat must be poppin rn
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ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv
What do you think of what waza said in #36 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861581&viewfull=1#post2053861581) in response to ladd's TR of him?
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 21:30
damn the ladd/waza/rask wolfchat must be poppin rn
ladd/Waza/syn just decided to bus drive for a while. ladds in charge :curtain:
glgl
Totally not Taffy
01-05-2025, 21:30
self-meta, ignore if this isn't your cup of bourbon
i struggled as a wolf for YEARS bc i always played with the same group of people and they could always read me really well. i can't lie long-term for shit. if i'm wolfing in a game full of strangers, it's a 50/50 whether i'll completely sweep everyone or get found out day 1 bc someone with a lot of threadpull tunneled me for having a wolfy response to a memepost or some undefendable shi like that
I assume this is related to the "blank/early meta read that becomes a confbias" but I'm not getting it
In my last 30 games I've been a wolf in more than 20 so I might be easier to read than normal just from pure relief ^^'
Btw I'm 2x firefighter
first wolfy post you've made so far
also if I had that ratio I'd probably stop playing mafia
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 21:34
the only setting in my life where I offer only a simple thanks is the workplace, what is this read. how can you make this read with a straight face
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/75/e1/f475e17d2d74c96d45ac92b14de16da5.gif
ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv
this was my initial reaction but I decided I'd rather it be w/w with vaimes
vote:syn
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game recognize game
Totally not Taffy
01-05-2025, 21:45
I'm townleaning Maple for being very different from the hydra game we were both in where she was a wolf. Mostly bc there she was hyperfocused on interacting with all the other players trying to be relatable and cute.
damn the ladd/waza/rask wolfchat must be poppin rn
replace waza with vaimes and you have the team
Totally not Taffy
01-05-2025, 21:50
first wolfy post you've made so far
also if I had that ratio I'd probably stop playing mafia
You didn't think her reads looked hedgy?
I assume this is related to the "blank/early meta read that becomes a confbias" but I'm not getting it
no?
just figured if i'm the only blank slate here, i should offer a bit of insight. cuth can hype me up later if he wants. maybe i'll bribe gemma or des or jan into dropping a read on my behalf
Totally not Taffy
01-05-2025, 21:59
no?
just figured if i'm the only blank slate here, i should offer a bit of insight. cuth can hype me up later if he wants. maybe i'll bribe gemma or des or jan into dropping a read on my behalf
none of those are playing lol
and ok I guess I was looking for something that wasn't there then I thought you were building on from your response to Wisdom
TOWN:
Vaimes is currently my top town. I would be very surprised if they are wolf here. Decent thoughts, extremely towny posts. I have a couple very minor distrusts such as Vaimes telling Wisdom that reading people off of meta is bad, but then giving self meta on themselves. Also the third point of #57 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861602&viewfull=1#post2053861602) is a tad pingy.
Wisdom is way more towny then usual this game and it's scaring me a little bit. I am very much not a good Wisdom reader, but #76 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861621&viewfull=1#post2053861621) (with the waza/rask comment, the first sentence struck me as very towny)/#80 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861625&viewfull=1#post2053861625) (with the whole Hally comment about townreading her and being thankful about not needing to be paranoid about her)/#81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861626&viewfull=1#post2053861626) (which was Wisdom talking about Syn TR and complementing Vaimes and I also think the Vaimes follow up question (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861632&viewfull=1#post2053861632) was towny from Wisdom).
Hally is extremely towny to me for like the first time ever! I don't see why a mafia bothers saying #70 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861615&viewfull=1#post2053861615) (which was Hally saying that they have been lurking the whole time but also didn't know what to say). I liked Hally's random thoughts wall in #95 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861641&viewfull=1#post2053861641), IMO the towniest thing in the wall is the last thing about ladd townreading waza and the hedgy ramble about that. I find #98 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861644&viewfull=1#post2053861644) (post townreading visor) and #99 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861645&viewfull=1#post2053861645) (hally saying they are washed and they townread rask's #96 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861642&viewfull=1#post2053861642)) both towny too.
That concludes my stronger townreads
meh
i think it's bad, but a lot of people don't, so i put it out there to do with what ye will. plus i'm the only unknown, so it's really just to give you a very very basic sense of my range
i imagine 0% of you are going to scuttle off to actually look up any of my games, especially since i could not tell you what my last wolfgame was even if i had a gun to my head. and i stopped playing regularly in like. early 2023 or something
taffy not Taffy one of them is!
You didn't think her reads looked hedgy?
looked like d1 wisdom to me tbhbbq
Raskolnikov
01-05-2025, 22:35
this was my initial reaction but I decided I'd rather it be w/w with vaimes
can you tell a bit more about Vaimes pls? (ngl I even checked timestamps this morning because the idea crossed my mind too but concluded that idea was like a stretch or smtg)
noted vaimes, im familiar with both of those, welcome! I'm Mantichora or CatgirlMaple on MU, in case you know me.
In that turbo turbo, it wasnt the v read itself, it was because lucch said he v read my catchup, and at that point i had made like 2 gay shitposts and threw out a random vote or something -- idr the specifics. Cem came in and said "i agree" or whatever. Neither slot could have genuinly held the reads as written, so i got them killed. I maintain that lucches deserved to die for that post and idc that he was the joat, PRs need to just not act like wolves all the time.
In this game tho, I generally respect ladd's earlygame reads since he's a competent player, and so while your interactions at SoD pinged me, I'm just gonna wait and see for now and think about sponging that.
im also making a note of nl snapping a vote off on ladd.
anyway, for lunch today im making an egg quesadilla. Im really excited!
My general playstyle these days is all about cooperation and working together, so I *do* try to keep everyone's reads in mind. You'll be seeing that soon :3
Thanks for getting back to me, lunch sounds hype, send pics!
Do you have any recent examples of games that show you playing your recent style
i actually wanted to wolfread syn for v reading me last night but figured i'd sit on it a bit instead and have decided the throwing out of reads (even if jokes) is mildly villagery instead
ladd village reading waza so early just seems like w/w setup to me ymmv
Lol I can see why you would think the latter, given how ladd approaches wolfing, and I imagine if I were wolfing and with him it would have been a similar dynamic kinda
What’s your read on me outside of anything to do with ladd?
first wolfy post you've made so far
also if I had that ratio I'd probably stop playing mafia
Would if I could
At least I ended 2024 with a wolf win and started 2025 with a wolf win
LIGHT TOWN:
waza is someone who my read on hasn't really changed for myself. I am not sure how much he believes his confident seeming v read on me as I don't really recall how good waza's track record is on me beyond a few moments of being right and turbos where he usually just calls me weird lol (though ig I'd say he's above average in the respect that I don't recall him incorectly reading me when i am town in turbos, but I don't think he's confidently stood up for me either). On page 3 I liked #78 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861623&viewfull=1#post2053861623) with his question to Maple.
ladd is someone who I have mildly got townpinged by, from #92 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861638&viewfull=1#post2053861638)'s read of Wisdom's waza/rask w/w comment, even if I don't really agree with it. And the comment in #103 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861649&viewfull=1#post2053861649) on Rask strikes me as bold.
Taffy is one of those that only had one post that struck me as towny at the time of me constructing my intial townreads, but think they have been towny with their latest posts. But said post is #62 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861607&viewfull=1#post2053861607) that I am sure is the reason why I have seen people throw on the townread for Taffy in the first place talking about how the most interesting thing that has happened in the game is me defending Vaimes against waza. Looking forward to seeing how their reads develop as I could see how Wisdom's reads are hedgy, but IMO, not in a wolfy way.
Maple is a person I am townreading for saying that there are a lot of slots they want to tunnel, and like... I kind of liked their comment on ladd i guess.
and that's it so far on people I have a light townread on (ig taffy and maple are kinda questionable on the list, like there is a decent gap between ladd and taffy so yeah)
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 00:11
I would like to highlight the amazing performance recently in this township of Visor.
Easily the most suspicious person around. Remember, folks, we appreciate wolf-like tendencies here! None of that towny shenanigannery! Co-operation? Eugh.
(Non-silly note: Pretty sure I've played with Vaimes before. Either on bladescape or in KRC or an anon or something. The name just feels familiar. It could be MTG Salvation but I last played on there in like 2014 or so, which feels unlikely lol.)
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 00:13
(Unlikely because my memory is shit and remembering someone from 2014 would be pretty impressive for me.)
Cape is using horrible greens to make me think they're also into this co-operation schtick! Remember folk, red only!
can you tell a bit more about Vaimes pls? (ngl I even checked timestamps this morning because the idea crossed my mind too but concluded that idea was like a stretch or smtg)
copycat behaviour
and more indirectly, waza seems to be seen as the easier target (not as a wolf-read target, but as an alignment-indicating target) and is being treated as such by too many people
Everyone who I haven't mentioned is someone I don't feel like I have that solid of a reason to townread or scumread, I think I will start with who I feel like out of those is the most likely town. (honestly all 5 of these people can all be town idk)
Most likely town of my nulls is Raskolnikov, like Rask might believe in his reads, but if he does, am I supposed to think #50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861595&viewfull=1#post2053861595) is pocketing waza? I feel like out of all my nulls, Rask has shown the most nuance in his reads (specifically talking about #58 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861603&viewfull=1#post2053861603) and especially #96 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861642&highlight=#post2053861642)). But there is something that feels a bit wormy about #96 on waza, I am conflicted on it. A little bit of my input, I think the comment waza made about the number of i's Syn made is not w/w.
Visor's #89 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861635&highlight=#post2053861635) is alright I guess, even if I disagree with it
EnderWiggin has been funny but that's about all I know about the 4 posts he made lol.
Need more from Cuthillius obviously.
I cannot really tell how I feel about Syn, like almost every post Syn makes Syn is pretty aggressive calling people wolf with little explanation, and #111 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861657&highlight=#post2053861657) is a post that pings me just based on vibe.
copycat behaviour
and more indirectly, waza seems to be seen as the easier target (not as a wolf-read target, but as an alignment-indicating target) and is being treated as such by too many people
what exactly is Vaimes copying?
(Unlikely because my memory is shit and remembering someone from 2014 would be pretty impressive for me.)
Cape is using horrible greens to make me think they're also into this co-operation schtick! Remember folk, red only!
I have made a terrible lapse in my color judgement and I am sorry!
cape's current poe:
Raskolnikov
Visor
EnderWiggin
Cuthillius
Syn
i'm pocketed tbh
I would like to highlight the amazing performance recently in this township of Visor.
Easily the most suspicious person around. Remember, folks, we appreciate wolf-like tendencies here! None of that towny shenanigannery! Co-operation? Eugh.
(Non-silly note: Pretty sure I've played with Vaimes before. Either on bladescape or in KRC or an anon or something. The name just feels familiar. It could be MTG Salvation but I last played on there in like 2014 or so, which feels unlikely lol.)
there are a handful of forums where i played exactly one game bc the host invited me and then never opened that site again
this is the avatar i normally use, if it helps:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/image.php?u=306
cape's current poe:
Raskolnikov
Visor
EnderWiggin
Cuthillius
Syn
i'm pocketed tbh
This is a game so far where I wouldn't be surprised if mafia were all in my light towns, like yeah maybe I jumped the gun a little making reads, but I had the time today so
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 00:48
red alert Visor, Ender found the trump speech generator
unvote
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Syn, which posts gave you that feeling?
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 00:52
cape's current poe:
Raskolnikov
Visor
EnderWiggin
Cuthillius
Syn
i'm pocketed tbh
Id be honored to shitpost in wc with any of these. what a glorious team that would be lol.
it's bolaño related flavor i promise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu1UXCdyNo0
votal
syn - vaimes, ladd
ladd - visor, syn
waza - ender
it's not a bad list
syn is being weird, ender is still shitposting, cuth is mia, and i honestly i need to reread rask and visor bc nothing has really stuck out to me
at least it isn't straight "active ppl are town, inactives are scum"
Raskolnikov
quick, vote syn so that our entire wolfteam and only our wolfteam is voting him
what exactly is Vaimes copying?
pretty much all of d1 has revolved around waza/vaimes, which started with vaimes repeating waza and then turning it into a kumbaya experience
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 01:05
vote: Syn :bow:
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 01:05
unvote
vaimes is also doing the wolf-patented tactic of just vagueposting mocking discrediting things about me
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 01:07
Syn, you posted kumbaya, I fear I have no other choice but townreading you for the rest of the day. Will you handle it?
Syn, you posted kumbaya, I fear I have no other choice but townreading you for the rest of the day. Will you handle it?
dw I'll kill you tonight
pretty much all of d1 has revolved around waza/vaimes, which started with vaimes repeating waza and then turning it into a kumbaya experience
well that is patently untrue. if i'm a wolf, you're making it too easy for me
are you mad at me for not omgus'ing him, or
pretty much all of d1 has revolved around waza/vaimes, which started with vaimes repeating waza and then turning it into a kumbaya experience
They have said pretty different things from one another so I still have no clue what you are on about.
I'm going to have to think about how you made the vageposting comment about Vaimes when I said the same thing about you earlier
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 02:01
vaimes is also doing the wolf-patented tactic of just vagueposting mocking discrediting things about me
i think this is a wolfy post so if you're not a wolf (which i hope you're not) please stop making posts like this!
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 02:04
i liked wisdom's posts because at first i was like bro is that sus tmi and then attention was placed on that concept and then they kinda just kept going with it in a way that felt good and fine generally speaking
i have a couple hesitations on how cape formulated their top town reads but i think i'm probably more likely to pay attention to that kind of thing than normal atm due to my recent history of like five straight wolfrands or something so i'm not putting a ton of weight on it
i thought ladd's vote of syn at that moment was not the best thing he's ever done but maybe he's right also
vaimes!
hally's being hally and i have no clue how to read waza
copycat behaviour
and more indirectly, waza seems to be seen as the easier target (not as a wolf-read target, but as an alignment-indicating target) and is being treated as such by too many people
pretty much all of d1 has revolved around waza/vaimes, which started with vaimes repeating waza and then turning it into a kumbaya experience
i don’t get what you’re saying in these posts
what do you mean by waza being the easier alignment-indicating target and what does that have to do with vaimes’ alignment?
where did vaimes repeat waza?
hi cuth, hope you’re good ~:wave:
and also hope our curse of never being the same alignment has been broken :stare:
i don’t get what you’re saying in these posts
what do you mean by waza being the easier alignment-indicating target and what does that have to do with vaimes’ alignment?
where did vaimes repeat waza?
i think he just means im an easier slot to talk about or one that draws people into wanting to make a read on me or at least try to in one way or another
thats just my guess from own personal experience
hally if u had to rank everyone from most likely wolf to least likely wheres your head at atm? Hally
this might be the most inactive game of mafia i’ve ever played lol
how come when i rand wolf here i have to go through a gauntlet of tryharding strong villagers then i rand town and get this :angry:
i think he just means im an easier slot to talk about or one that draws people into wanting to make a read on me or at least try to in one way or another
thats just my guess from own personal experience
hally if u had to rank everyone from most likely wolf to least likely wheres your head at atm? Hally
reply hazy, try again later
this might be the most inactive game of mafia i’ve ever played lol
how come when i rand wolf here i have to go through a gauntlet of tryharding strong villagers then i rand town and get this :angry:
hally help, i think we are in similar boats here where we tend to be players who are quite generous when it comes to giving townreads
and i think if we both forced the issue we can both probs find weak/some reason to tr everyone here. i notice you felt the same dilemma or implied as much in one of your previous posts
so ive gone back to look for instances where i was too generous in one of my initial snapreads and one of them stands out, if you can do the same for me and hit me up when you do...im curious if we get the same result or not
can you tell a bit more about Vaimes pls? (ngl I even checked timestamps this morning because the idea crossed my mind too but concluded that idea was like a stretch or smtg)
Check timestamps for what?
Cape posts seem villagery
i liked wisdom's posts because at first i was like bro is that sus tmi and then attention was placed on that concept and then they kinda just kept going with it in a way that felt good and fine generally speaking
Could you expand on this? Not sure i follow what sus would be tmi
hally help, i think we are in similar boats here where we tend to be players who are quite generous when it comes to giving townreads
and i think if we both forced the issue we can both probs find weak/some reason to tr everyone here. i notice you felt the same dilemma or implied as much in one of your previous posts
so ive gone back to look for instances where i was too generous in one of my initial snapreads and one of them stands out, if you can do the same for me and hit me up when you do...im curious if we get the same result or not
i don’t know, i wouldn’t be surprised if basically any of the reads i’ve given are wrong because there’s so little to work with and it’s really easy to wolf when you only have to make 10 posts
but i don’t really feel like trying to spin my wheels to figure out who i could have misread, people just need to post more and raise the bar of villageriness or it’s basically throwing darts
i think i’m most pinged by cuth’s entrance because it kinda feels like writing some words for the sake of it
but i dunno, maybe he would feel pressure to do something more out of the gate as a wolf :shrug:
i think i’m most pinged by cuth’s entrance because it kinda feels like writing some words for the sake of it
but i dunno, maybe he would feel pressure to do something more out of the gate as a wolf :shrug:
ding ding ding
why would he feel pressure in a game moving this slowly
i highly doubt i'd vote him out toDay bc he's the only familiar face here and i'm weak, but
i'm glad someone else also clocked his word salad
ding ding ding
why would he feel pressure in a game moving this slowly
well i dunno if he would feel pressure per se but could see him wanting to make a better first impression as a wolf than making a few pretty nothingburger reads
or maybe it’s just a wolfy post written by a wolf
in summary: :shrug:
i think i’m most pinged by cuth’s entrance because it kinda feels like writing some words for the sake of it
but i dunno, maybe he would feel pressure to do something more out of the gate as a wolf :shrug:
I swear i saw them write something like this:
i have a couple hesitations on how cape formulated their top town reads but i think i'm probably more likely to pay attention to that kind of thing than normal atm due to my recent history of like five straight wolfrands or something so i'm not putting a ton of weight on it
As a wolf in 1 of their last games here. Like i distinctively remember the post but i tried to look for it with some keywords and couldnt find it lol
I have no idea what syn is saying but i kinda think they believe it more compared to their last 2 wolf rands here
(Not a v read yet)
Lol I can see why you would think the latter, given how ladd approaches wolfing, and I imagine if I were wolfing and with him it would have been a similar dynamic kinda
What’s your read on me outside of anything to do with ladd?
Ngl if i was visor id wolfread this post and double down on the w/w read lmao
alright let’s kill him
vote: cuth
:boxing:
I have no idea what syn is saying but i kinda think they believe it more compared to their last 2 wolf rands here
(Not a v read yet)
from my vague recollection i think i agree with this
i have a very specific read on syn that i'll probably share tomorrow before deadline, but it is in line with what ladd said
unvote
vote: cuth
xoxo
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I swear i saw them write something like this:
[cuth quote]
As a wolf in 1 of their last games here. Like i distinctively remember the post but i tried to look for it with some keywords and couldnt find it lol
this is villagery
it really fucking tilts me that quick reply isn't an option and i have to go to a whole separate screen to write a post
Raskolnikov
Visor
EnderWiggin
Maple
Cuthillius
all three wolves in here, tentatively
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 03:50
huh !
hally i have bad news
i think we're going to end up doming this game
hally i have bad news
i think we're going to end up doming this game
don’t threaten me with a good time
chat im lazy as fuck can like
6 of you wagon me real quick?
thanks
chat im lazy as fuck can like
6 of you wagon me real quick?
thanks
vote: maple
i’m a x6 voter
i think this is a wolfy post so if you're not a wolf (which i hope you're not) please stop making posts like this!
I won't
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 04:04
Vote: Maple
I'm a 5x voter.
i don’t get what you’re saying in these posts
what do you mean by waza being the easier alignment-indicating target and what does that have to do with vaimes’ alignment?
I mean simply that more focus is being put on waza out of the two and that IME that's usually the villager of the two
where did vaimes repeat waza?
they both made the same "oh wow no hyper posting to start the game" remark. also emulated my post, and visor's. none suspicious on their own, altogether curious, especially with how vaimes utilized the copied observation specifically to get a townread from waza and anyone else engaging
I have no idea what syn is saying but i kinda think they believe it more compared to their last 2 wolf rands here
(Not a v read yet)
I don't believe anything
unless I do
i have a very specific read on syn that i'll probably share tomorrow before deadline, but it is in line with what ladd said
unvote
vote: cuth
xoxo
if your very specific read involves activity level, I must request you vote me again
ehhh
cape v
vaimes v
sure on those two
taffy was the same tier as the first names but they were also who i was tinfoiling when i spoke to hally but i think that may just be me overthinking
ladd and hally and syn and wisdom lean v
Ngl if i was visor id wolfread this post and double down on the w/w read lmao
good thing u made this post to unpair us
if i was visor i would read this as not w/w
I mean simply that more focus is being put on waza out of the two and that IME that's usually the villager of the two
they both made the same "oh wow no hyper posting to start the game" remark. also emulated my post, and visor's. none suspicious on their own, altogether curious, especially with how vaimes utilized the copied observation specifically to get a townread from waza and anyone else engaging
I would say there is a distinction between waza and Vaimes saying the game was starting slow, waza expressing no surprise and Vaimes seemingly being more caught off guard by this.
Here is how I interpret how the convo was
1. waza questioned Vaimes' vote on you because he was sort of townreading you for saying you were going to lock visor in as town AND he felt that Vaimes' #13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861558&viewfull=1#post2053861558) was too casual of a comment towards you assuming that Vaimes voted you because of something you did. I see the thought process behind waza's argument as if the push on you was serious, waza would expect Vaimes to maybe question something you did in the moment to try to solve you.
2. Vaimes clears this up by saying that the vote was random and placed just because and that waza was making a lot of assumptions.
3. As soon as this is cleared up, Vaimes asks waza some questions and through this clearing up of the misunderstanding, waza finds Vaimes towny
I don't really see Vaimes weaponizing anything to make waza townread them, I fail to see what other observation they shared rather then the no hyper posters thing
I swear i saw them write something like this:
i have a couple hesitations on how cape formulated their top town reads but i think i'm probably more likely to pay attention to that kind of thing than normal atm due to my recent history of like five straight wolfrands or something so i'm not putting a ton of weight on it
As a wolf in 1 of their last games here. Like i distinctively remember the post but i tried to look for it with some keywords and couldnt find it lol
I have no idea what syn is saying but i kinda think they believe it more compared to their last 2 wolf rands here
(Not a v read yet)
I wanted to respond to that cuth read, but realized I didn't have anything to say because I don't know what cuth is getting at, it's somehow both a nothingburger and not at the same time
i think this is a wolfy post so if you're not a wolf (which i hope you're not) please stop making posts like this!
i both agree with this post and find it wolfy at the same time
hally help, i think we are in similar boats here where we tend to be players who are quite generous when it comes to giving townreads
and i think if we both forced the issue we can both probs find weak/some reason to tr everyone here. i notice you felt the same dilemma or implied as much in one of your previous posts
so ive gone back to look for instances where i was too generous in one of my initial snapreads and one of them stands out, if you can do the same for me and hit me up when you do...im curious if we get the same result or not
I uh
have no idea what to think of this post :huh2:
ding ding ding
why would he feel pressure in a game moving this slowly
cuth never said anything about feeling pressure so idk what ur talking about
hally i have bad news
i think we're going to end up doming this game
you have expressed the desire to tunnel many players in this game. Why are you settling on Hally?
cuth never said anything about feeling pressure so idk what ur talking about
read the rest of hally's post i quoted there
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 05:11
I've randed wolf twice in high activity games since the last time i played here where i was also wolf but i don't think you were in that game but whatever
i think I'm overanalyzing it but it felt like a little bit tmi'y on like hally and then actual reads on the top two but throwing in stuff that wasn't villagery so that they didn't have to commit to it
like if they found two people actually villagery and then felt like they needed to have a third
but it's the thinnest thing and i really didn't Want to explain it
I'll try to use a better proportion of words to reads in the future~
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 05:12
the above being about the cape salad
read the rest of hally's post i quoted there
oh i got distracted by the pretty red letters my bad
I've randed wolf twice in high activity games since the last time i played here where i was also wolf but i don't think you were in that game but whatever
i think I'm overanalyzing it but it felt like a little bit tmi'y on like hally and then actual reads on the top two but throwing in stuff that wasn't villagery so that they didn't have to commit to it
like if they found two people actually villagery and then felt like they needed to have a third
but it's the thinnest thing and i really didn't Want to explain it
I'll try to use a better proportion of words to reads in the future~
what do you think of the people sussing you? does anything come across as bad faith fypov
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 05:32
eh
not really at this point and if i did i would not say it right now
I've randed wolf twice in high activity games since the last time i played here where i was also wolf but i don't think you were in that game but whatever
i think I'm overanalyzing it but it felt like a little bit tmi'y on like hally and then actual reads on the top two but throwing in stuff that wasn't villagery so that they didn't have to commit to it
like if they found two people actually villagery and then felt like they needed to have a third
but it's the thinnest thing and i really didn't Want to explain it
I'll try to use a better proportion of words to reads in the future~
I stand by my Hally read and the fact Hally was, and still is towny. I don't think wolf admits to lurking while also saying that they didn't have anything interesting to say, like I townread that because I think wolves would WANT to say something there (I would say it's kind of similar to Hally's recent read on you #171 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861718&viewfull=1#post2053861718) except for the fact that Hally literally didn't do anything even slightly useful there)
A lot of #95 feels like unfiltered thoughts which I do think shows a towny mindset, the unfilteredness also ties into why I townread the other 2 posts I referenced to a lesser extent.
I don't really know why you didn't directly just say this if you had this concern about my reads instead of being convoluted about it
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 05:38
because it's fun being coy and also more saying it for my own benefit than anyone else probably tbh
also being clear about that sort of thing affects how people post which can be counterproductive
I'm not going to discuss that post any more
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 05:42
because it's fun being coy and also more saying it for my own benefit than anyone else probably tbh
also being clear about that sort of thing affects how people post which can be counterproductive
I'm not going to discuss that post any more
Being coy is definitely more fun.
I stand by my Hally read and the fact Hally was, and still is towny. I don't think wolf admits to lurking while also saying that they didn't have anything interesting to say, like I townread that because I think wolves would WANT to say something there (I would say it's kind of similar to Hally's recent read on you #171 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155065-Bola%C3%B1afia?p=2053861718&viewfull=1#post2053861718) except for the fact that Hally literally didn't do anything even slightly useful there)
A lot of #95 feels like unfiltered thoughts which I do think shows a towny mindset, the unfilteredness also ties into why I townread the other 2 posts I referenced to a lesser extent.
I don't really know why you didn't directly just say this if you had this concern about my reads instead of being convoluted about it
tbf ladd kinda did it first in a more round about way
not saying two villas cant do it, but yeah just thought its worth pointing out
eh now im worried about what things look like if cuth and maple are town
not sure what my world even looks like in that case though...
gth i think theres probs one in visor/rask - can think of reasons to be wary of both
probs one in cuth/maple/hally - this tier is different to the first two names because i can think of reasons to tr all 3, but the reasons for cuth and maple are kinda bad and weak and could easily be wrong but if i find good reasons to tr both then i immediately look at hally next after that, however if either of them are a wolf i probs just roll with hally as v
and then last in someone i miscleared (not cape or vaimes)
ender is somewhere but idk which of these 3 rows he fits into
Cuthillius
01-06-2025, 06:42
it's way too early to make that kind of post lmao
but you're probably town for it ig
eh now im worried about what things look like if cuth and maple are town
not sure what my world even looks like in that case though...
gth i think theres probs one in visor/rask - can think of reasons to be wary of both
probs one in cuth/maple/hally - this tier is different to the first two names because i can think of reasons to tr all 3, but the reasons for cuth and maple are kinda bad and weak and could easily be wrong but if i find good reasons to tr both then i immediately look at hally next after that, however if either of them are a wolf i probs just roll with hally as v
and then last in someone i miscleared (not cape or vaimes)
ender is somewhere but idk which of these 3 rows he fits into
Rask seemed pretty villagery to me, why are u wary?
unvote
Fwiw i wouldnt villa read hally for the lurking thing, i have done it plenty as a wolf and have seen wolves do it (sunbae comes to mind)
And hally has a wolfing style pretty similar to mine (just better) so yea thats def not somethimg i would read them on
I think i agree with like all the stuff they have said so far tho so there is def good reasons to v read them :curtain:
I v read syn now tho i am still unsure why they are putting so much focus on waza/vaimes needing to have a wolf, cant it just be v/v
Rask seemed pretty villagery to me, why are u wary?
unvote
some of it i already mentioned, some of it i thought of but others mentioned before i said it (for example him asking my about wisdom when there wasnt really much to rread wisdom on - to me it felt like he was trying to deflect my focus off from himself). that feeling somewhat doubled up when i question him again on why he felt syn saying "thanks" or "handshake" felt pockety when imo in the context syn said those things it felt perfectly fine and im not sure how else syn was supposed to have responded there. I dont see how me questioning him on that was enough for him to change his mind with his tr on me, i was questioning him in good faith. If i were to think how I felt when vaimes was questioning me i dont think that type of reaction crossed my mind so im not sure why it did to rask (obv people are different and can react differently but it just didnt feel warranted fmpov)
in hindsight im looking at his iso again and i think his answer on why he asked me about wis kinda checks out so maybe thats not so bad. and his tone is fairly decent. so gth id probs go visor before him and marinate on my thoughts on rask a bit more
Fwiw i wouldnt villa read hally for the lurking thing, i have done it plenty as a wolf and have seen wolves do it (sunbae comes to mind)
And hally has a wolfing style pretty similar to mine (just better) so yea thats def not somethimg i would read them on
I think i agree with like all the stuff they have said so far tho so there is def good reasons to v read them :curtain:
I v read syn now tho i am still unsure why they are putting so much focus on waza/vaimes needing to have a wolf, cant it just be v/v
lmao
i was gonna write a post to vaimes telling him not to v read you for your post about cuth because i remember you making that sort of post as a wolf but i didn’t bother cuz we seem to agree on everything
including apparently not wanting the other to get town read so easily :curtain:
Fwiw i wouldnt villa read hally for the lurking thing, i have done it plenty as a wolf and have seen wolves do it (sunbae comes to mind)
And hally has a wolfing style pretty similar to mine (just better) so yea thats def not somethimg i would read them on
I think i agree with like all the stuff they have said so far tho so there is def good reasons to v read them :curtain:
I v read syn now tho i am still unsure why they are putting so much focus on waza/vaimes needing to have a wolf, cant it just be v/v
who exactly is the last line directed at lol, feels a little outta place since ur not directly speaking to syn there but the way you wrote it feels like you should have been
it does not
can you vote me again anyway ?
can you vote me again anyway ?
right this site can't parse emojis
assigned french by bad forum software
lmao
i was gonna write a post to vaimes telling him not to v read you for your post about cuth because i remember you making that sort of post as a wolf but i didn’t bother cuz we seem to agree on everything
including apparently not wanting the other to get town read so easily :curtain:
Eheh
I do villa read you, i just dislike letting wrong reads go unchallenged :duel:
Fwiw i wouldnt villa read hally for the lurking thing, i have done it plenty as a wolf and have seen wolves do it (sunbae comes to mind)
And hally has a wolfing style pretty similar to mine (just better) so yea thats def not somethimg i would read them on
I think i agree with like all the stuff they have said so far tho so there is def good reasons to v read them :curtain:
I v read syn now tho i am still unsure why they are putting so much focus on waza/vaimes needing to have a wolf, cant it just be v/v
it's my one-trick pony. without waza/vaimes I have nothing
some of it i already mentioned, some of it i thought of but others mentioned before i said it (for example him asking my about wisdom when there wasnt really much to rread wisdom on - to me it felt like he was trying to deflect my focus off from himself). that feeling somewhat doubled up when i question him again on why he felt syn saying "thanks" or "handshake" felt pockety when imo in the context syn said those things it felt perfectly fine and im not sure how else syn was supposed to have responded there. I dont see how me questioning him on that was enough for him to change his mind with his tr on me, i was questioning him in good faith. If i were to think how I felt when vaimes was questioning me i dont think that type of reaction crossed my mind so im not sure why it did to rask (obv people are different and can react differently but it just didnt feel warranted fmpov)
in hindsight im looking at his iso again and i think his answer on why he asked me about wis kinda checks out so maybe thats not so bad. and his tone is fairly decent. so gth id probs go visor before him and marinate on my thoughts on rask a bit more
Alrighty thx
I am having a flashback of something similar happening in the other org game but idk if i am misremembering
Me/rask have had a ton of v/v rands on the org and tbh this feels exactly the same to me
who exactly is the last line directed at lol, feels a little outta place since ur not directly speaking to syn there but the way you wrote it feels like you should have been
Uh it was like a general comment i guess lol
Idk i started writing about syn and it ended up a weird mix between a read and a question
Alrighty thx
I am having a flashback of something similar happening in the other org game but idk if i am misremembering
Me/rask have had a ton of v/v rands on the org and tbh this feels exactly the same to me
aight ill take ur word on it for now
i think rask is probably a villager too
post #96 where he goes into his thoughts on waza felt like an angle a wolf wouldn’t really take and was a pretty nuanced progression of thought. and in general he feels fine imo? though i don’t have the same level of experience with him as ladd does and it feels like when we play together i’m always wolfing against him :curtain:
the only people that i haven’t felt anything villagery from are cuth/maple/ender but that feels like a really lame PoE
i don’t really feel like killing outside there rn though
curious if anyone has any reason to town read anyone in that group?
i guess
i have re read the thread real quick trying to be a bit more critical of people, otherwise i feel we are not gonna get anywhere
You didn't think her [wisdom] reads looked hedgy?
i didnt have this impression reading in real time but looking back on wisdom post:
I'm sleep and energy deprived from a lot of travels the last few weeks + had my once-every-five-year big birthday party yesterday. I'm exhausted but still really hyped by this game!
A few notes in case I pass out:
- Syn town for now but we'll see, I have a bad track record on him
- Ender town, good vibes
- I can see why ladd would be town but not locking it
- Rask wolf (yes)
- Dunno about Waza, I really struggle on that one, but I get w/w vibes from his interactions with Rask, so
- Don't know about Vaimes' alignment but I really look forward to playing with him
Who needs 75 posts when you can just solve the game before hitting post min (:
it's true that they are not really saying much beyond the rask wolf read and ender villa read and that makes the last comment even weirder
kinda seems like false bravado :curtain:
i think rask is probably a villager too
post #96 where he goes into his thoughts on waza felt like an angle a wolf wouldn’t really take and was a pretty nuanced progression of thought. and in general he feels fine imo? though i don’t have the same level of experience with him as ladd does and it feels like when we play together i’m always wolfing against him :curtain:
the only people that i haven’t felt anything villagery from are cuth/maple/ender but that feels like a really lame PoE
i don’t really feel like killing outside there rn though
curious if anyone has any reason to town read anyone in that group?
i guess
oops, hit submit by accident
was gonna say i guess if taffy doesn’t do anything else i could see myself considering dropping her down but i feel like i recall her being a low poster? so meh
i think rask is probably a villager too
post #96 where he goes into his thoughts on waza felt like an angle a wolf wouldn’t really take and was a pretty nuanced progression of thought. and in general he feels fine imo? though i don’t have the same level of experience with him as ladd does and it feels like when we play together i’m always wolfing against him :curtain:
the only people that i haven’t felt anything villagery from are cuth/maple/ender but that feels like a really lame PoE
i don’t really feel like killing outside there rn though
curious if anyone has any reason to town read anyone in that group?
i guess
not really
tho i am personally more at
me
vaimes
waza
rask
hally
taffy
syn
cape
as people i villa read, in no particular order
vs
cuth
maple
ender
visor
wisdom
as the rest, in no particular order
of course not that much to off on so (almost) nothing is signed with blood
was gonna say i guess if taffy doesn’t do anything else i could see myself considering dropping her down but i feel like i recall her being a low poster? so meh
yea, i agree with this and almost had them in the other tier just to be safer but I also think they have had some of the most original thoughts itt so i am inclined to think they are more likely to be a villager than not
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 08:25
Vote: Visor
Ladd can be town. For now. :curtain:
Vote: Visor
Ladd can be town. For now. :curtain:
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i have re read the thread real quick trying to be a bit more critical of people, otherwise i feel we are not gonna get anywhere
i didnt have this impression reading in real time but looking back on wisdom post:
it's true that they are not really saying much beyond the rask wolf read and ender villa read and that makes the last comment even weirder
kinda seems like false bravado :curtain:
oh yeah i get it, good catch
mm, wisdom and visor were the other two i was considering putting in the PoE but not sure if that’s just because they haven’t been around
they def feel like the thinnest villa reads i made though
ngl i can’t even remember what i liked from wisdom, i was gonna answer her when waza asked me who i might have town read too easily
ladd, do you think visor would open with pushing you/waza as w/w though? i guess he’s a crafty guy so maybe but i got kinda pocketed by it cuz i thought your mutual town reads could be w/w too initially
anyway, i like that town list
oh yeah i get it, good catch
nice looks like i sniped ladds alignment off 2 words
flavor
Then I washed my hands, looked at myself in the mirror, saw a tall thin figure with a face that was already showing a few wrinkles, too many, a female Don Quixote as Pedro Garfias called me, and then I went out into the corridor, and there I realized right away that something was going on: the corridor was empty, nothing but faded shades of cream, and up the stairwell came a sound of shouting, a petrifying, history-making sound.
votal
ladd - visor, syn
maple - hally
cuth - vaimes
visor - ender
deadline is in like 17 1/2 hours i prob won't be able to do another votal before then ur on your own pals
nice looks like i sniped ladds alignment off 2 words
wow me and ladd are doing nothing to help the w/w allegations
tbf ladd kinda did it first in a more round about way
not saying two villas cant do it, but yeah just thought its worth pointing out
And I mentioned liking that post very early on :shrug:
because it's fun being coy and also more saying it for my own benefit than anyone else probably tbh
also being clear about that sort of thing affects how people post which can be counterproductive
I'm not going to discuss that post any more
I would question this, but I think I'll just take Cuth's word for this as it seems real tbh.
it's way too early to make that kind of post lmao
but you're probably town for it ig
I agree with this post on the waza post above it, and find it kinda towny that Cuth is saying it.
Fwiw i wouldnt villa read hally for the lurking thing, i have done it plenty as a wolf and have seen wolves do it (sunbae comes to mind)
And hally has a wolfing style pretty similar to mine (just better) so yea thats def not somethimg i would read them on
I think i agree with like all the stuff they have said so far tho so there is def good reasons to v read them :curtain:
I v read syn now tho i am still unsure why they are putting so much focus on waza/vaimes needing to have a wolf, cant it just be v/v
fair enough, I mean I would more likely townlean Hally if that was the only thing I was townreading her for, on top of everything else I said about Hally, I haven't had a problem with what I have seen from Hally's takes and even the hedginess of them (I wanted to look into the recent Rask take further as i havent done so yet).
im not bothered to find everyones name to tag them and probs wont be around eod
but for someone who is can u make sure people submit their votes well before timer...just incase the site lags its probs better we have votes in before then
(im a hypocrite though because i probs dont see myself voting anytime soon)
ladd, do you think visor would open with pushing you/waza as w/w though? i guess he’s a crafty guy so maybe but i got kinda pocketed by it cuz i thought your mutual town reads could be w/w too initially
Depends what he does with it, i dont really see why not tho. Its not like i am hard to push these days
I just dont think there is anything he has done right now worth villa reading (or wolfreading)
If i wanted to stretch it a bit i dont see why i couldnt just be a wolf TMIng waza but i guess saying w/w is cooler
Also ftr i have villa read waza early in p much all of our v/v rands in long form games afair
he has never been w and me v so i am sure he could easily fool me but i enjoy villaging with him so i ll just call him villa if i think so and revaluate later if needed
i reread maple’s posts and they kind of feel like bs to me but i’m not sure if it’s just manti-isms lol
Vaimes, I'm curious -- you're evidently new to the org, but where have you played mafia before previously? You mentioned knowing cuth, so I'm just wondering.
I considered opening with a tunnel on waza but everyone, including ladd, thinks his opening here was at minimum *fine* so I'll just sit here and pout instead. Mm, really there's a LOT of slots here that I could see myself opening up with a tunnel on, but I'd rather meow at my boyfriend instead of getting into things this early.
i don’t get what this means? it feels like maybe wolfy perspective of thinking about who could be pushable instead of just… trying to solve and seeing who you actually wolf read
Maple can you unpack what you meant here?
Depends what he does with it, i dont really see why not tho. Its not like i am hard to push these days
I just dont think there is anything he has done right now worth villa reading (or wolfreading)
If i wanted to stretch it a bit i dont see why i couldnt just be a wolf TMIng waza but i guess saying w/w is cooler
Also ftr i have villa read waza early in p much all of our v/v rands in long form games afair
he has never been w and me v so i am sure he could easily fool me but i enjoy villaging with him so i ll just call him villa if i think so and revaluate later if needed
likewise
ur a villa read i feel like i have freedom to be wrong on because even if im wrong on you i think people will collapse on you before they collapse on me and there is very little punishment for getting you wrong (unless you tie yourself to me and results in me being mld after ur flip)
i think rask is probably a villager too
post #96 where he goes into his thoughts on waza felt like an angle a wolf wouldn’t really take and was a pretty nuanced progression of thought. and in general he feels fine imo? though i don’t have the same level of experience with him as ladd does and it feels like when we play together i’m always wolfing against him :curtain:
the only people that i haven’t felt anything villagery from are cuth/maple/ender but that feels like a really lame PoE
i don’t really feel like killing outside there rn though
curious if anyone has any reason to town read anyone in that group?
i guess
1. That Rask post just feels a bit iffy to me with quotes like
It's me realising I handed that townread to waza way too fast
and
But then I realised none of these things were actually AI for whoever is actually a decent wolf.
but at the same time I liked the bit under that that shows this sort of attention to detail that I like.
2. I almost think Ender is town just because he's a really strong wolf and I find his approach to this game so far just... so unlike his wolf games with how unserious he's being. At the same time, that isn't a good reason to town read him.
i reread maple’s posts and they kind of feel like bs to me but i’m not sure if it’s just manti-isms lol
Imo its the latter, maple seems super null to me but ymmv
i don’t get what this means? it feels like maybe wolfy perspective of thinking about who could be pushable instead of just… trying to solve and seeing who you actually wolf read
Maple can you unpack what you meant here?
I mean if thats what they meant why say it itt lol
Wolfy post chief
:curtain:
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 09:14
2. I almost think Ender is town just because he's a really strong wolf and I find his approach to this game so far just... so unlike his wolf games with how unserious he's being. At the same time, that isn't a good reason to town read him.
I do say that my seriousness is usually dependent on my personal mood and not really on my alignment. Being silly as wolf is definitely in my range.
2. I almost think Ender is town just because he's a really strong wolf and I find his approach to this game so far just... so unlike his wolf games with how unserious he's being. At the same time, that isn't a good reason to town read him.
unless his wolf games elsewhere are significantly different, his current gameplay does not seem very far from his wolfing in terms of attitude
EnderWiggin
01-06-2025, 09:16
Syn why are you being so towny. Stop.
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 09:17
Sup
ngl I am currently pocketed by ladd simply because he is fighting for my life while I am sleeping. that's very charitable of him.
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 09:20
vote: Cuth
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 09:22
ehhh
cape v
vaimes v
sure on those two
taffy was the same tier as the first names but they were also who i was tinfoiling when i spoke to hally but i think that may just be me overthinking
ladd and hally and syn and wisdom lean v
talk to me about cape and taffy pls.
I mean if thats what they meant why say it itt
well that’s why i asked her lol
i think what she’s actually trying to say is probably that she thought multiple people could be wolfy at that point but i want her to unpack who and how
there’s another thing she could mean but i’m just gonna let her answer first
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 09:33
hally, ladd, syn, ender, taffy pure?
talk to me about cape and taffy pls.
My cape read is similar to ladds read on you
I’ve just played with him as v quite a lot and he just seems the same. Plus he tried to discredit my read on him somewhat (due to him not remembering some stuff) whereas I don’t think he would have needed to as a wolf since could just continue to hide behind
The taffy tinfoil was momentary cos from the 3 takes they gave they were trying to discredit me and vaimes read on each other and then trying to discredit a tr on wisdom
But then I remember taffy hasn’t randed wolf much (Atleast in the games I’ve been in with them.) so then I thought a wolf who hasn’t randed wolf a tonne probably would maybe try more to placate the PL rather than what they have done so far
And part of why I’m voting wisdom currently is that I agree with ladds observation and a w!wisdom flip would make me feel even better on taffy
My cape read is similar to ladds read on you
I’ve just played with him as v quite a lot and he just seems the same. Plus he tried to discredit my read on him somewhat (due to him not remembering some stuff) whereas I don’t think he would have needed to as a wolf since he could just continue to hide behind me incorrecltly townreading him
The taffy tinfoil was momentary cos from the 3 takes they gave they were trying to discredit me and vaimes read on each other and then trying to discredit a tr on wisdom
But then I remember taffy hasn’t randed wolf much (Atleast in the games I’ve been in with them.) so then I thought a wolf who hasn’t randed wolf a tonne probably would maybe try more to placate the PL rather than what they have done so far
And part of why I’m voting wisdom currently is that I agree with ladds observation and a w!wisdom flip would make me feel even better on taffy
typo
Raskolnikov
01-06-2025, 09:43
My cape read is similar to ladds read on you
I’ve just played with him as v quite a lot and he just seems the same. Plus he tried to discredit my read on him somewhat (due to him not remembering some stuff) whereas I don’t think he would have needed to as a wolf since could just continue to hide behind
The taffy tinfoil was momentary cos from the 3 takes they gave they were trying to discredit me and vaimes read on each other and then trying to discredit a tr on wisdom
But then I remember taffy hasn’t randed wolf much (Atleast in the games I’ve been in with them.) so then I thought a wolf who hasn’t randed wolf a tonne probably would maybe try more to placate the PL rather than what they have done so far
And part of why I’m voting wisdom currently is that I agree with ladds observation and a w!wisdom flip would make me feel even better on taffy
tx. the last line is a bit weird though. what did you like in Wisdoms posts at first?
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