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It's like you would say one thing and I'd be like "... okay but what does Lissa think of xyz?" Like when Visor asked about your read on Ender #198 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866664&viewfull=1#post2053866664) I was like "mhm yeah I have that and other questions"
When I said softball, I didn't exactly mean softball, but when you were pressed about your ender read and your maple read you just kind of nullread them when the criticism that you levied against me didn't really match the energy of your pushing of me, like why would you care so much about me pushing one of your nullreads?
yeah you might have meant that differently than I read it, hrm
I don't think ender had responded to my question at that point. I read their other posts and I was like... eh, they're kinda ok? the question originally to ender really wasn't accusatory, it was an attempt to get them to explain something I didn't understand in the hopes of developing my read. my problem with ender's maple read wasn't that I felt it was 100% Definitely Incorrect in conclusion but that having... really much of /any/ read on maple off those posts felt pretty weird to me.
I thought you sheeping the pretty ender read on maple was also pretty weird and out of place because that read was pretty limp and openly empty. in other words my issue wasn't you /pushing maple/ it was WHY you were pushing maple, which makes whether I village read maple somewhat beside the point. also I also have concerns about multiple other reads you have itg
WAIT WHAT REALLY? WTF THIS ISNT A 48/24?
no it's a 48/24
with an AM eod/sod
vote:logic
We should keep up the org tradition of lunching the lowest poster d1, them flipping wolf and the game turning out to be way harder than initially thought
I dont wanna lunch cape cause i think waza is a villager, he is super good at reading cape and was thinking villa there
I don't know if this is true myself, it's more like waza townreads me almost every game and ends up being correct because I hardly rand wolf and everyone claps. He's okay at reading me in turbos iirc. One person who I will say is good at reading me I think is Schiavetto but that's besides the point
I was joking about visor post being too wordy but thr post itself kinda pinged me cause it really seemed to be assumin too much. Idk kinds reminds me of when he opened as a wolf saying me/waza w/w but the explained versione
Okay I was wondering about this. I found it towny just for the fact that it jumped the shark on me and i'd assume that Visor would want to at least get his facts straight if he is wolf before posting that so confidently but idk
I know i said id sheep sunbae on jan but his posting seems a bit too commentary mode to me
The posts themselves are fine, just feel he is kinda sidelining a bit
I know i said id sheep sunbae on jan but his posting seems a bit too commentary mode to me
The posts themselves are fine, just feel he is kinda sidelining a bit
hm. I looked back at his most recent post and it does make me feel a certain kind of way
I would not lunch cape and prolly not ender either
I ll be on/off (way more off than on) until eod
I know i said id sheep sunbae on jan but his posting seems a bit too commentary mode to me
The posts themselves are fine, just feel he is kinda sidelining a bit
You wait until I get back from the dentist, pumped full with meds.
You will wish I was more sidelined! (Give it ~1 hour)
yeah you might have meant that differently than I read it, hrm
I don't think ender had responded to my question at that point. I read their other posts and I was like... eh, they're kinda ok? the question originally to ender really wasn't accusatory, it was an attempt to get them to explain something I didn't understand in the hopes of developing my read. my problem with ender's maple read wasn't that I felt it was 100% Definitely Incorrect in conclusion but that having... really much of /any/ read on maple off those posts felt pretty weird to me.
I thought you sheeping the pretty ender read on maple was also pretty weird and out of place because that read was pretty limp and openly empty. in other words my issue wasn't you /pushing maple/ it was WHY you were pushing maple, which makes whether I village read maple somewhat beside the point. also I also have concerns about multiple other reads you have itg
I thought Maple had more thread presence in my head until I actually looked at the postcounts, probably because a lot of Maple's content was spread out so it was like I thought that them having a thread presence and them being super null the whole time was worth... something. I felt more comfy just unvoting there but idk how, I assume "vote colon unvote" in bold.
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 08:45
but like that was Visor's original take on me? Like he originally said that I was w/w with Vanta, this wasn't a development that came later on.
And like this other part seems rather ungenerous, "well Visor later became towny but that's easy for wolf to fake" like what do you want Visor to do, be wolfy?? Do you mean this in like a different way?
I have been struggling with him since start basically yeah. Ive been keeping my vote there after the rvs. Now I am sheeping him on lissa because I agreed they were lacking and the most recent posts are just maybes to me.
About Visor and the last part of ur post: no, I want him to towntell. I ve been quite good at spotting him recently (see Bennehs mash on MU where I was hard shielding him when Sunbae dayvigged him. #Sunbaehero)
I am not sure how to articulate it, but he has a way of being everywhere without agenda when villaging)
no it's a 48/24
with an AM eod/sod
im cooked i didnt read teh signup thread
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 08:47
Ender/lissa/Maple
I am a genius I know. Yw
Ender/lissa/Maple
I am a genius I know. Yw
Mind blown
ladd who we killin i most likely will not be awake tmr morning unless something very loud and annoying wakes me up
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 08:51
ladd who we killin i most likely will not be awake tmr morning unless something very loud and annoying wakes me up
Not charitable for neil tbh
its generally his water bottle thats the issue
After talking with lissa last game about needing to be more concrete and confident about expressing reads I am trying to do that here.
1. I think Waza's approach thus far is more likely to come from wolf Waza. I think there are posts made here to look villagery rather than to express opinions on alignments. This distinction is one that I struggle to articulate all the time but in this case it amounts to I believe villa Waza would have more succinct reads that he would expand upon if asked or needed while instead we have more elaborate "getting from point a to point b for a read" posts. Both the one about Rask and the one about Ladd's "lmao" both strike me as posts designed for people to look at and say "wow good thought process Waza, you're really thinking intricately about the game so you must be a villager" rather than for waza to just be spitballing early reads.
Caveats of it's mid day 1 in a chill mostly rvs game so far and I am allowed to change my mind in the future apply.
2. Vanta's post about it looking like Visor is trying to chain something together and he doesn't like it is villagery for the exact same reasons I find Waza's posts wolfy. I look at it and say "wow good thought process Vanta, you're really thinking intricately about the game so you must be a villager". Werewolf is a stupid game and I am able to hold these two thoughts simultaneously.
I feel like this doesn't make sense in my head regarding the Vanta thing, Vanta hasn't posted a thought process that's super deep other then pushing back against the visor wall if you really want to count that, but I like the waza thought if I strip of what kind of player I perceive waza as
EnderWiggin
08-12-2025, 08:55
I don't think the "omugsing" on knights the treestump was real and just silly one being silly
Cape decided to "sheep you" and you voted maple before maple said they are omgussing you (and you did not post in between.
So either it was not a sheep or his reason cannot be the omgus.
You and anyone else can argue that it was a reaction test, and Maple's reaction was bad.
That is fair.
But nobody has said that.
... I'm not going to lie I thought your comment was a statement about my ability to call Maple sus. Did not comprehend you were talking about Cape there mb
Not at all, this is normal for me.
Your honour, self-meta.
...Maybe I'm on the wrong side of history
Vote: EnderWiggin
I don't get how Maple "coming out of nowhere" with a case on me is super wolfy and them not mentioning me up to this point is wolfy when Maple hasn't really done anything otherwise.
And like Maple's case on me isn't like all that deep either and is also based off recent things I said, I don't get the whole "oh this post is wolf-shaped" thing, I mean I am kinda struggling to get a grip this game because it feels like so little has happened that really inspires me in any way
It felt like a latch onto Lissa's point. Like there was no consideration for you being a wolf and then when Lissa started mentioning it Maple was suddenly like "And here's all the reasons why!"
im cooked i didnt read teh signup thread
eod wasnt in there tbf!
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 08:56
hm. I looked back at his most recent post and it does make me feel a certain kind of way
Ok, which kind of way lissa?
EnderWiggin
08-12-2025, 08:59
Ender/lissa/Maple
I am a genius I know. Yw
I wouldn't hellbus D1! A second time
EnderWiggin
08-12-2025, 09:01
I feel like this doesn't make sense in my head regarding the Vanta thing, Vanta hasn't posted a thought process that's super deep other then pushing back against the visor wall if you really want to count that, but I like the waza thought if I strip of what kind of player I perceive waza as
M8 what is this post.
Can you explain Jan/Raskol townreads?
And Vanta but I think I saw you say something on that already.
----
Anyway it's 3am and I've already used 1/4th of my posts. I am jetlagged and dying a lil but I promise to try and remember this game some tomorrow.
Cape/Rask/Sunbae/Waza likely has 0 wolves. Vanta maybe there too but reserving judgement.
I am not going to snap read Ladd because I have no idea if this is opportunistic wolfy Ladd or if it's towny Ladd who wolfreads me randomly. (Last game alone is an example of Ladd calling me "Second wolfiest poster in this thread" while we were v/v)
Visor is visoring tho I'm a lil sketched at their incessant poking of people to read me. Lightest shade of red.
Jan feels wolfy. Maple feels wolfy. Lissa doesn't feel.
I don't know if I forgot someone but I think those are my reads atm.
Ender, what made rask jump to your townreads between you questioning neee's read on rask and then towncoring them?
EnderWiggin
08-12-2025, 09:02
Also yeah I'm ~moderately confident this is town!Rask
I thought Maple had more thread presence in my head until I actually looked at the postcounts, probably because a lot of Maple's content was spread out so it was like I thought that them having a thread presence and them being super null the whole time was worth... something. I felt more comfy just unvoting there but idk how, I assume "vote colon unvote" in bold.
not totally sure but i'd expect bolded unvote: x or unvote to work
Ender/lissa/Maple
I am a genius I know. Yw
sick theater right
EnderWiggin
08-12-2025, 09:04
Ender, what made rask jump to your townreads between you questioning neee's read on rask and then towncoring them?
6 hours of sleep.
ladd who we killin i most likely will not be awake tmr morning unless something very loud and annoying wakes me up
I can be very loud and annoying!
Ok, which kind of way lissa?
to springboard off the commentary mode/sidelining line of thought a bit, the post brought to mind a certain sort of "sideline reasonable explainer" archetype i think is prolly somewhat >rand wolf
Vote:Logic
You guys are too good at mafia to where I don't know who's wolf
to springboard off the commentary mode/sidelining line of thought a bit, the post brought to mind a certain sort of "sideline reasonable explainer" archetype i think is prolly somewhat >rand wolf
The question is, is that me? And is this world so fucked up that I am classified as reasonable?
I don't think the "omugsing" on knights the treestump was real and just silly one being silly
Cape decided to "sheep you" and you voted maple before maple said they are omgussing you (and you did not post in between.
So either it was not a sheep or his reason cannot be the omgus.
You and anyone else can argue that it was a reaction test, and Maple's reaction was bad.
That is fair.
But nobody has said that.
well I'd say this specific post fits that
Yeah idk maybe Jan
Jan do you wolfread me?
Vote:Logic
You guys are too good at mafia to where I don't know who's wolf
I think very little has happened that makes for strong reads.
The only person that might be out of their wolf range is maaybe rask.
Everyone else is firmly leaning one way or another.
Logic is not a fun flip because it says very little about anyone else.
The team is me/lissa/logic and we're already at thr acceptance stage
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 09:15
I am so out of my wolf range. I posted hehe.
I think very little has happened that makes for strong reads.
The only person that might be out of their wolf range is maaybe rask.
Everyone else is firmly leaning one way or another.
Logic is not a fun flip because it says very little about anyone else.
Yes but knights gets a free win (probably)
I dont disagree with u tho
Yeah idk maybe Jan
Jan do you wolfread me?
I disliked you sheeping ender. Might be a wording issue, but enders entry was clearly not reasonable and should not be sheeped for no good reason.
Everything else you did was fine.
I disliked Lissa's post on me right now more, and she has been pushing on you before.
(The post she picked in context was a direct reaction to Ender, where I explain something that happened.)
In addition to that, it is the 2nd (?) time Lissa picks up someone's slight doubt and makes it her own push.
Yes but knights gets a free win (probably)
I dont disagree with u tho
He needs a single wolf to die for his wincon, right?
Seems like a very likely win.
Waza/cape/rask vvv
Jan/sunbae vv
Ender/lissa/vanta v
Logic/maple/visor w
Done i solved the game :curtain:
EnderWiggin
08-12-2025, 09:32
I disliked you sheeping ender. Might be a wording issue, but enders entry was clearly not reasonable and should not be sheeped for no good reason.
Everything else you did was fine.
I disliked Lissa's post on me right now more, and she has been pushing on you before.
(The post she picked in context was a direct reaction to Ender, where I explain something that happened.)
In addition to that, it is the 2nd (?) time Lissa picks up someone's slight doubt and makes it her own push.
Why was my entry "Clearly not reasonable"?
Waza/cape/rask vvv
Jan/sunbae vv
Ender/lissa/vanta v
Logic/maple/visor w
Done i solved the game :curtain:
Don't think I won't omgus you too
The team is me/lissa/logic and we're already at thr acceptance stage
Would certainly be funny.
I disliked you sheeping ender. Might be a wording issue, but enders entry was clearly not reasonable and should not be sheeped for no good reason.
Everything else you did was fine.
I disliked Lissa's post on me right now more, and she has been pushing on you before.
(The post she picked in context was a direct reaction to Ender, where I explain something that happened.)
In addition to that, it is the 2nd (?) time Lissa picks up someone's slight doubt and makes it her own push.
is the bolded a part of what you dislike, or simply included as context
EnderWiggin
08-12-2025, 09:35
Don't think I won't omgus you too
https://i.imgflip.com/a2uyr2.jpg
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 09:40
Ladd, what made u change ur mind on Visor?
is the bolded a part of what you dislike, or simply included as context
Why not both?
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 09:41
Also why Logic then instead of say, Maple? :curtain:
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4Not VotingJan (16), Logic (3), Vanta Black (14), waza (14)
Why not both?
why do you dislike that it's about ender?
new page smh
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4Not VotingJan (16), Logic (3), Vanta Black (14), waza (14)
theknightsofneeee
08-12-2025, 10:14
Waza/cape/rask vvv
Jan/sunbae vv
Ender/lissa/vanta v
Logic/maple/visor w
Done i solved the game :curtain:
i agree with almost everything here but the sunbae read
and i'd probably move jan down a tier
Vanta Black
08-12-2025, 10:17
vote: Jan
Just vibes mostly. I went over all his posts and didn't really see anything that said town. One post in particular about voting a villager so as to keep Knights around longer, as I guess his stumpness is over as soon as we ax a wolf. Kind of sounded like he thought he could make that happen. Anyway it pinged me.
Also I took an antihistamine and fell asleep at my computer which is not helping my mental sharpness at all.
Thought Ender's beginning series of posts was...strange? It seemed to me that it sounded like he had read the thread, but then was reacting to things as if he had not read the thread (like not knowing that Knights had flipped, and there was something else that now escapes my woozy brain). He looked better to me later though.
Of the current vote leaders. logic hasn't said a lot but also only a few posts, while Lissa has a lot of posts but I can't remember her saying a lot in all those posts. So if I had to go with one of those two it'd be Lissa.
theknightsofneeee
08-12-2025, 10:22
vote: Jan
Just vibes mostly. I went over all his posts and didn't really see anything that said town. One post in particular about voting a villager so as to keep Knights around longer, as I guess his stumpness is over as soon as we ax a wolf. Kind of sounded like he thought he could make that happen. Anyway it pinged me.
Also I took an antihistamine and fell asleep at my computer which is not helping my mental sharpness at all.
Thought Ender's beginning series of posts was...strange? It seemed to me that it sounded like he had read the thread, but then was reacting to things as if he had not read the thread (like not knowing that Knights had flipped, and there was something else that now escapes my woozy brain). He looked better to me later though.
Of the current vote leaders. logic hasn't said a lot but also only a few posts, while Lissa has a lot of posts but I can't remember her saying a lot in all those posts. So if I had to go with one of those two it'd be Lissa.
fwiw jan was 100% joking about his thing wrt voting a villager to keep me
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 10:23
Vote: Visor
https://gifer.com/FZJt
Vanta Black
08-12-2025, 10:32
fwiw jan was 100% joking about his thing wrt voting a villager to keep me
Well yeah, that's what I thought. But sometimes a joke is not really a joke. And that wasn't the only thing.
i agree with almost everything here but the sunbae read
and i'd probably move jan down a tier
idk sunbae seemed fine to me. ofc he could be a wolf cause gamestate hasnt really been challenging enough for a lot of people to be out of any kind of range
anything in particular worries you about him?
Ladd, what made u change ur mind on Visor?
i always disliked that post
then he seemed interested/invested in the game and i thought maybe that was villagery+the way he made me re read ender posts and i found ender wolfy seemed good
but then ender seemed villagery and i went back to that first post and i remembered when he did the me/happy w/w read as a wolf and i just dont like it
the thing is that like apoc says - my reads are like pinballs right now cause most of them are leans so it doesnt take much for me to change them
Well yeah, that's what I thought. But sometimes a joke is not really a joke. And that wasn't the only thing.
but in this case a joke is indeed just a joke
what made you focus so much on jan? why re read jan posts in particular?
idk this jan wolfread seems kind out of nowhere
i always disliked that post
then he seemed interested/invested in the game and i thought maybe that was villagery+the way he made me re read ender posts and i found ender wolfy seemed good
but then ender seemed villagery and i went back to that first post and i remembered when he did the me/happy w/w read as a wolf and i just dont like it
the thing is that like apoc says - my reads are like pinballs right now cause most of them are leans so it doesnt take much for me to change them
maybe thats now what apoc said lmao
Anyway what i mean is - I have been pretty free flowing with my reads (way more than usual) cause not a ton of ai stuff happened
Not sure I want to kill Cape anymore. Not reaaally sure who I want to kill instead. Maybe Ender, but there's a couple things that feel like flickers of villageriness. Not as many as I thought looking over their posts again. Eh.
maybe thats now what apoc said lmao
Anyway what i mean is - I have been pretty free flowing with my reads (way more than usual) cause not a ton of ai stuff happened
I was gonna say, not sure apoc's ever said that lmao.
Also why Logic then instead of say, Maple? :curtain:
I would love to have a deep answer to this but the truth is just that i dont really have any particular confidence in maple/visor flipping wolf so voting logic is easier
Vanta Black
08-12-2025, 10:51
but in this case a joke is indeed just a joke
what made you focus so much on jan? why re read jan posts in particular?
idk this jan wolfread seems kind out of nowhere
Hm, maybe tone is why I focused on Jan? I was not reading Jan posts in particular, I'm reading everybody's posts.
whens eod i doubt i will have time to catch up just got busy
Sunbae im gonna try something and be ur double voter as long as its not on me, ur not really my top town but i can see a world where u believe ur read on me and wanna try something by giving u my vote lol
i always disliked that post
then he seemed interested/invested in the game and i thought maybe that was villagery+the way he made me re read ender posts and i found ender wolfy seemed good
but then ender seemed villagery and i went back to that first post and i remembered when he did the me/happy w/w read as a wolf and i just dont like it
the thing is that like apoc says - my reads are like pinballs right now cause most of them are leans so it doesnt take much for me to change them
lmao i feel u bro
(cant believe this was the one thing i read from this page properly lol, but hey its relatable lol so i wanted to comment)
Vanta Black
08-12-2025, 10:56
Okay let me amend that, I'm reading everybody's posts but I did go back in particular to look at Jan's. Not the only one.
I could switch to Visor, that weird push about me being w/w with Cape because I get mizzled a lot seemed like a stretch and also seemed like a way to say I'm an easy mizzle so why not? It also pushed me into thinking Cape probably v.
whens eod i doubt i will have time to catch up just got busy
Sunbae im gonna try something and be ur double voter as long as its not on me, ur not really my top town but i can see a world where u believe ur read on me and wanna try something by giving u my vote lol
3 hours
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 11:05
About Visor:
- first case about waza seemed bad.
- dont understand why he was pushing Vanta AND Cape, while apparently he had not checked if Cape/Vanta had played together
- the turnaround speed and wording.
It just feels too proactive for villa!Visor prior to EOD.
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 11:06
I am going to BBQ till EOD so expect nothing but wolfy nuggets from me :cooked:
About Visor:
- first case about waza seemed bad.
- dont understand why he was pushing Vanta AND Cape, while apparently he had not checked if Cape/Vanta had played together
- the turnaround speed and wording.
It just feels too proactive for villa!Visor prior to EOD.
Wasnt the case from sunbae?
About Visor:
- first case about waza seemed bad.
- dont understand why he was pushing Vanta AND Cape, while apparently he had not checked if Cape/Vanta had played together
- the turnaround speed and wording.
It just feels too proactive for villa!Visor prior to EOD.
I never posted a case on waza?
I mean I just thought I knew the answer, I'm not going to go read the last 10 org games and post my bibliography in thread
I don't even know what the last thing means lol
The read I had was the read I had, I've got nothing else to say on it, if you think it sucks, you know how to vote
Vanta actively posting a case on Jan given Jan's thread position seems decent to me
Ladd why did you turn around on ender
I doubt I will be around for eod
I'm fine if any of logic ender or maple dies
vote: manti
I will endeavour to check in before eod but no promises there
Ladd if you can please explain why you changed your mind on ender that would be great, his entry just seemed crap to me
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 12:26
I never posted a case on waza?
I mean I just thought I knew the answer, I'm not going to go read the last 10 org games and post my bibliography in thread
I don't even know what the last thing means lol
Ill check it, memory is failing me apparently
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3LogicCape90 (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866746&viewfull=1#post2053866746)), ladd (32 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866719&viewfull=1#post2053866719))
2MapleEnderWiggin (29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866598&viewfull=1#post2053866598)), Visor (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866793&viewfull=1#post2053866793))
1VisorRaskolnikov (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866772&viewfull=1#post2053866772))
1wazaSunbae (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866609&viewfull=1#post2053866609))
1EnderWigginMaple (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866679&viewfull=1#post2053866679))
1Cape90Lissa (37 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866680&viewfull=1#post2053866680))
1JanVanta Black (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866770&viewfull=1#post2053866770))
3Not VotingJan (16), Logic (3), waza (16)
1.5 hours to deadline
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 12:29
Ill check it, memory is failing me apparently
Your early push on Cape. Then u doubled down making it ww with Vanta. Its what I meant.
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 12:30
Fwiw I am fine with Logic dying. At this point its clear he wont help/play and likely to flip wolf? I guess
Fwiw I am fine with Logic dying. At this point its clear he wont help/play and likely to flip wolf? I guess
what makes him likely to flip wolf? is there a correlation between him not being as active and his alignment or do u tr others more?
fwiw im gonna be asking a lot of seemingly directionless questions until i do something likely
vote: manti
I will endeavour to check in before eod but no promises there
Ladd if you can please explain why you changed your mind on ender that would be great, his entry just seemed crap to me
yea i didnt like his entry either
i think he is being direct and i liked his argument for maple wolf (sudden having 1 confidence push is a pretty reliable wolf tell imo) and i liked his toan. i remember his wolf game being a bit more slimy in the way he pushes people (at least villagers)
this isnt like a super confident read or anything tho
thoughts on lissa?
mostly for visor but open question
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 12:43
what makes him likely to flip wolf? is there a correlation between him not being as active and his alignment or do u tr others more?
fwiw im gonna be asking a lot of seemingly directionless questions until i do something likely
Thats how I feel yes. Id wish for another flip (hence why I am voting Visor) but i have no time to make it happen rn. I do believe Visor is wolfin rn
I never posted a case on waza?
I mean I just thought I knew the answer, I'm not going to go read the last 10 org games and post my bibliography in thread
I don't even know what the last thing means lol
(did you mix up cape and capage btw)
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 12:55
Thats how I feel yes. Id wish for another flip (hence why I am voting Visor) but i have no time to make it happen rn. I do believe Visor is wolfin rn
To expand a bit, this is a weird game where I dont have solid TRs 48h in, but I do think logics behaviour is more likely to come from a wolf than not. Then I think it would be better to try and flip an active wolf for obvious reasons.
vote: logic
seems ~fine.
definitely kinda of two minds on ender. don't really wanna kill maple today. haven't really found visor wolfy
i am not villa reading visor as strongly as i was earlier but
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Day 1 - Votes from post 5 through 338
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4LogicCape90 (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866746&viewfull=1#post2053866746)), Lissa (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866804&viewfull=1#post2053866804)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866719&viewfull=1#post2053866719))
2MapleEnderWiggin (29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866598&viewfull=1#post2053866598)), Visor (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866793&viewfull=1#post2053866793))
1VisorRaskolnikov (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866772&viewfull=1#post2053866772))
1wazaSunbae (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866609&viewfull=1#post2053866609))
1EnderWigginMaple (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866679&viewfull=1#post2053866679))
1JanVanta Black (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866770&viewfull=1#post2053866770))
3Not VotingJan (16), Logic (3), waza (17)
1 hour to deadline
I am around fwiw
I am thinking
since sb not here to respond i will be ladds double voter if he changes, if he doesnt my vote isnt needed anyways
since sb not here to respond i will be ladds double voter if he changes, if he doesnt my vote isnt needed anyways
A penny for your thoughts?
A penny for your thoughts?
you would be ripped off, im being honest when i say i have very few game related thoughts, my last one was when i saw sb out a town list and case me. i liked his town list, felt similar to mine, case seemed believable so i wanted to try a strat where normally if someone pushes me i tend to just not trust any of their scumreads out of fear theyre built on wrong associations to me. but i've sorta seen this isnt really the case, esp with strong players if theyre wrong on me theyre more likely to be correct on their other reads, maybe just a numbers game. so yeah i wanted to test that theory and also it gave me an excuse to be lazy so yeah thatwas my last proper thought i had solving wise
Alrighty gimme back my penny
Ngl i was expecting jan to put me back in my place after he came back full of meds from the dentist
I am a bit disappointed
This is also the first time i have been top poster d1 in years
Not sure if its a good sign for the gamestate lol
I am confident on rask/cape/waza villa
Unsure on basically everyon else. My guesses are in my last list but i am not married to them
Alrighty i will check every now and then for these last 30 mins but i am prob okay with this vote
Adieu
This is also the first time i have been top poster d1 in years
Not sure if its a good sign for the gamestate lol
certainly not the highest paced d1 even for the cap
theknightsofneeee
08-12-2025, 13:37
wrt sunbae
villa!sunbae is usually more collaborative IMO, asking people for reads, working with people he thinks are villagery
don't really feel that here
Ngl i was expecting jan to put me back in my place after he came back full of meds from the dentist
I am a bit disappointed
yeah i was a bit surprised
theknightsofneeee
08-12-2025, 13:38
also think his waza wolf read is wack in a wolfy way
theknightsofneeee
08-12-2025, 13:39
i'm content with a logic elim even tho i think visor is probably more likely to be wolf IMO
theknightsofneeee
08-12-2025, 13:41
I lost track of the last 24 hours
I'm here, and I'll be reading the opening of the day.
I have nothing. But I also stayed home from work today with a sick kiddo.
I'm reading now while I rock him to sleep.
That is supposed to say "I have read nothing" but what's written there is also true.:laugh4:
like idk
this doesn't scream 'wolf' to me
theknightsofneeee
08-12-2025, 13:41
i just get 'busy regardless of alignment' rather than wolf.
also think his waza wolf read is wack in a wolfy way
Time well tell
He tends to sus me d1, could be a wolf leveraging that. Didn’t get the vibes that much even if the thought crossed my mind
like idk
this doesn't scream 'wolf' to me
Yeah based on those I would guess a wolf would probably do more than that but yeah who knows not like I have any better alternatives I wanna push
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 13:55
Can I interest peo0le on a quick Visor limm?
It will be fun! Lettuce go
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 13:56
The côtes de boeuf were amazing btw.
But a wolf!Visor flip would feel like a cherry on the cake.
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Day 1 - Votes from post 5 through 359
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4LogicCape90 (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866746&viewfull=1#post2053866746)), Lissa (42 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866804&viewfull=1#post2053866804)), ladd (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866719&viewfull=1#post2053866719))
2MapleEnderWiggin (29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866598&viewfull=1#post2053866598)), Visor (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866793&viewfull=1#post2053866793))
1VisorRaskolnikov (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866772&viewfull=1#post2053866772))
1wazaSunbae (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866609&viewfull=1#post2053866609))
1EnderWigginMaple (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866679&viewfull=1#post2053866679))
1JanVanta Black (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866770&viewfull=1#post2053866770))
3Not VotingJan (16), Logic (3), waza (22)
3 minutes to deadline
Vote: Visor
I'm a funny guy
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 14:00
Prolly tunneling Lissa and Visor tmr. Glgl
Raskolnikov
08-12-2025, 14:00
Come on Ladd :curtain:
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Day 1 - Votes from post 5 through 364
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3LogicLissa (42 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866804&viewfull=1#post2053866804)), ladd (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866719&viewfull=1#post2053866719))
2VisorCape90 (36 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866828&viewfull=1#post2053866828)), Raskolnikov (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866772&viewfull=1#post2053866772))
2MapleEnderWiggin (29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866598&viewfull=1#post2053866598)), Visor (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866793&viewfull=1#post2053866793))
1wazaSunbae (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866609&viewfull=1#post2053866609))
1EnderWigginMaple (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866679&viewfull=1#post2053866679))
1JanVanta Black (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866770&viewfull=1#post2053866770))
3Not VotingJan (16), Logic (3), waza (22)
Logic dies.
Logic was:
Town Vanilla
You are Town. You have no abilities. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
This is just flavor:
https://i.imgur.com/OAexLOa.jpeg
It's Night 1, submit actions 1 hour before deadline!
https://i.imgur.com/XZfPYNf.jpeg
Vanta Black died. They were:
Town Vanilla
You are Town. You have no abilities. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
At the time of their death, Vanta Black had the following item:
Parting Gift
On Cycle 1, you may choose a player during the Day to form a neighborhood with them on and for that Night. You also give them a gun, which they may use to kill you that Night only.
Day 2 beginneth
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Day 2 - Votes from post 370 through 369
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
11Not VotingCape90 (0), EnderWiggin (0), Jan (0), Lissa (0), Logic (0), Maple (0), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (0), Visor (0), ladd (0), waza (0)
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 14:10
Ok Vanta gave me a party gift last night.
Which means I had a hood with them and ability to shot them. I didnt (cant say I didnt tease them though, u know the clown I am), i had a villa read there. They still died.
Something something frame something.
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 14:12
Lettuce kill Visor.
Vote: Visor
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 14:15
Vanta Black: there u go! Congrats on eating the N1! (Since u know I could kill u, u know its not me, I am not a wolf, and u still got it... bravo :bow: )
Lettuce kill Visor.
Vote: Visor
Lettuce kill raskol
vote: raskol
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 14:34
I mean, be villagery and Ill listen :bow:
Lettuce kill Visor.
Vote: Visor
sad but probs true
vote: visor
I mean, be villagery and Ill listen :bow:
I am villagery
I exude a radiance of purity unmatched except by people who post their role pms in thread
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 16:24
Lmao u fishing clown.
A rundown of what we discussed with Vanta:
They had Jan wolf, i insisted Jan was prolly villa. we agreed on Ladd villa (despite a wolfy entrance, thats the note I spoke about yesterDay), sunbae they were flipflopping about, I told them Id agree, can go both ways at this point imo (i told Vanta how good of a wolf u are Sunbae hehe)
They said they noticed a difference between this game Maple and the one game Vanta played they wolfed into last year (fwiw I have them as null).
We agreed about lissa prolly being wolfing.
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 16:32
Actually they had sunbae more wolf than null, the null read being from me.
Agreed with me on Visor.
Ok not sure how usefull this is (outside providing ground for discussion) but here we go.
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 19:29
Sup friendos,
Any hindsights overnight?
afternoon.
no major thoughts yet just gonna lurk and let things develop over the next 24 hours
think my current start for suspects is in <waza, lissa, visor, cape> but not lissa/cape nor visor/cape so my interest there is significantly less than the previous 3
Actually they had sunbae more wolf than null, the null read being from me.
Agreed with me on Visor.
Ok not sure how usefull this is (outside providing ground for discussion) but here we go.
smh i made a good read for good reasons on vanta v and still had me as woof sadge
Vate: Maple
I'd say Vanta towny recently. Visor is kinda towny now
Gonna sheep EnderWiggin, he feels okay rn
I feel like my read on ladd is stagnantly a "good null" which is kind of concerning
if cape is w, its not with maple or ender either so cape w worlds are like cape/waza/ladd/rask? but i have small v reads on ladd and rask
perhaps i should just call cape a villager :toilet:
think my current start for suspects is in <waza, lissa, visor, cape> but not lissa/cape nor visor/cape so my interest there is significantly less than the previous 3
i forget this site doesnt like carrots. its in waza/lissa/visor/cape
probably a villager
jan
ender
cape
lean villager
rask
ladd
woofing?
maple
visor
lissa
waza
vote: lissa
crimes: woofin
punishment: a trip to dvc
afternoon.
no major thoughts yet just gonna lurk and let things develop over the next 24 hours
ok, now lurkin :hide:
I've been thinking
3 wolves or 2 wolves?
seen 13er's be both
i was thinking about that due to knight's 3p role, like having 3 mafia and 1 third party seems a bit much except for the things knights gave us being kp related stuff which could maybe make sense in a 3 mafia setting?
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 21:23
i was thinking about that due to knight's 3p role, like having 3 mafia and 1 third party seems a bit much except for the things knights gave us being kp related stuff which could maybe make sense in a 3 mafia setting?
Think its a 3 woofs setup for raisins but I guess its not that much relevant for now?
Raskolnikov
08-13-2025, 22:56
perhaps i should just call cape a villager :toilet:
I am going to do the same because I can smh.
Would be awesome to be able to read Manti toDay (I know, high expectations I have but one can dream right? I am, tonight was a good football eve)
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Day 2 - Votes from post 370 through 396
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2VisorRaskolnikov (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866844&viewfull=1#post2053866844)), waza (1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866850&viewfull=1#post2053866850))
1RaskolnikovVisor (2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866846&viewfull=1#post2053866846))
1LissaSunbae (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866870&viewfull=1#post2053866870))
7Not VotingCape90 (2), EnderWiggin (0), Jan (0), Lissa (0), Logic (0), Maple (2), ladd (1)
I've been thinking
3 wolves or 2 wolves?
seen 13er's be both
Can you link me to any 13ers you've played with 2 wolves?
I've been thinking
3 wolves or 2 wolves?
seen 13er's be both
My guess is 3 unless it's like 2 and some kind of kp
Though tbh with knights role who knows
gonna be real, don't really think village raskol thinks it is a bright idea to kill nl who actually made posts (and some of those posts were pretty good GeneralHankerchief)
i get not liking my read progression or whatever the kids call it these days but i think your personal dislike of my read doesn't make it wolfy - lack of understanding seems to be my undoing a lot these days which is frustrating but it isn't like i can become a different person in that respect (nor would i want to)
even going into today, theres no thought process behind it, its just 'kill visor' which is the kind of thing you post (similar to how he did at eod) when its not about actually putting the game together, but just about pushing your wincon forward
i would like to think that village raskol would be both cautious and optimistic about my alignment, because its generally enjoyable to work together but i don't really think he has said anything that really approximates that kind of process
its sad, i have a sentimental streak about wolfreading friends, but sometimes they go mask off like that and i guess it just cuts out lol
don't think he could've painted the words IM A WOLF anymore clearly to me than his eod (maybe esp given logic flipping v)
kinda disappointing showing today so far, but i guess we're all cowards afraid to post in case the spooky wolves get us
was hoping from more from sunbae/ladd/jan/knights tbh
manti also seems like a wolf which means i won't look like an idiot this game thankfully (hopefully)
really wish ender and lissa would post some thoughts sil vous plais
Jan
what do you make of vanta dying overnight - specifically because they were wolfreading you yesterday?
also i cant fucking pull super creek
tilting. tempted to reroll
i always disliked that post
then he seemed interested/invested in the game and i thought maybe that was villagery+the way he made me re read ender posts and i found ender wolfy seemed good
but then ender seemed villagery and i went back to that first post and i remembered when he did the me/happy w/w read as a wolf and i just dont like it
the thing is that like apoc says - my reads are like pinballs right now cause most of them are leans so it doesnt take much for me to change them
i don't know how you go from saying enders posts are "I am ngl when i first read his posts i thought he seemed fine
But then i re read them and wow they are so wolfy lmao"
and then the second spurt is fine and really?
i don't really understand how you changed your mind here
at the risk of making another w/w read..... :curtain:
Sunbae
can you talk to me about ladd and ender please
vote: raskol ill poke here for you
Sunbae
can you talk to me about ladd and ender please
i can later in more depth, sorry, not available to post much at the moment but i will be in a few hours
gl on creek pulls (i have 3 of the other one upsidedownsmiley)
vote: raskol ill poke here for you
https://i.imgur.com/GIx5i0C.gif
i can later in more depth, sorry, not available to post much at the moment but i will be in a few hours
gl on creek pulls (i have 3 of the other one upsidedownsmiley)
i will definitely be asleep in a few hours, but appreciate it
my luck on ssrs is so bad. i can do like max guts and power.... the worst stats LOL
also i wonder if this is a game that brings back the classic
https://i.imgur.com/JU8e816.png
i have some old ass links saved lol
sometimes i get bored and do meme runs with only guts
i think i got a haru to win the finals with like 800 guts
lets be real though: theres nobody who has actually posted anything strongly alignment indicative. that reads list i posted is where my heads at but i wouldnt be shocked if it was upside down. the only semi-strong thoughts i have are:
- I do not think the way Cape used Enders put to vote Manti is something wolfCape does while teamed with Ender or Manti in that game state. I also do not thing the interactions between Cape/you and Cape/Lissa are very w/w. Which is leaning me to villa read Cape at the moment due to the few teammates i find possible. It does not mean Cape is lock town but if Cape is a wolf I think its with Ladd/Waza/Rask and, well thats a smaller section than the alternative.
- I have not really moved from my Waza read (I have specifically seen Waza do the "ill be your double voter" thing as both alignments so that needle isn't moved) but I also feel like day 2 is a day I need to actually poke/prod more on interactions/posts than just d1 vibes of things being more likely to be wolf than v. So Im giving space.
- I kind of dislike Lissa's overall body of work but I'll get more into that tonight also
sometimes i get bored and do meme runs with only guts
i think i got a haru to win the finals with like 800 guts
i did a meme run where i witmaxed a tachyon and she actually won lmao
i do need to look into waza some, i usually just let him do his thing and one of us dies but i should probably stop being lazy
maybe tomorrow
i did a meme run where i witmaxed a tachyon and she actually won lmao
lmao
wit OP
i wish i could three star tachyon, stupid statues are so hard to get
Can you link me to any 13ers you've played with 2 wolves?
you know
you have a good point,
derp rescinded
before you tr me for this, i would do this because its funny as wolf
like for some reason my brain was thinking of 10ers, where i have seen 3 mafia. Call it chat mafia experience
i mostly voted Visor just because I felt like it said a heck of a lot more then killing Logic about what side of history i should be on. Also when I saw the knights post regarding Logic in the morning I kinda agreed with it
Not to mention the whole early push on me was still bothering me but there was something kinda bothering me about how when I pressed... one of you, either raskol or jan about visor and like they said something along the lines of "visor has later emulated town meta without being towny" with being kinda vague about it. Like if Visor is/was town there that's something I worry a bit about.
i always disliked that post
then he seemed interested/invested in the game and i thought maybe that was villagery+the way he made me re read ender posts and i found ender wolfy seemed good
but then ender seemed villagery and i went back to that first post and i remembered when he did the me/happy w/w read as a wolf and i just dont like it
the thing is that like apoc says - my reads are like pinballs right now cause most of them are leans so it doesnt take much for me to change them
This is an example of a post that feels nuanced and empty at the same time and this is partially why i have been struggling a bit with determining if ladd is actually town here
vote: raskol ill poke here for you
Was there something Visor said that made you really turn to voting raskol? Or do you think it's more productive at this moment to pressure raskol versus Lissa because you feel more sure about Lissa vs Rask?
yea i didnt like his entry either
i think he is being direct and i liked his argument for maple wolf (sudden having 1 confidence push is a pretty reliable wolf tell imo) and i liked his toan. i remember his wolf game being a bit more slimy in the way he pushes people (at least villagers)
this isnt like a super confident read or anything tho
hm idk, this is a bit better though. I was kind of townreading the methodology though behind how Ender was starting the game with the sort of catch up thing, though I could see why #121 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866585&viewfull=1#post2053866585) could be a point of concern... even though it doesn't match the meta of him being slimy as you say here as wolf
yeah idk the rest of ladd's posts actually dont suffer from that issue
going back to my townleans
i thought that me saying idk a lot was a wolftell for me
i guess not since i just seem to be doing that now
lamist post kill cape for this
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 03:21
I am still ~kinda confident Rask is town. Confidence shaken but not stirred.
Vote: Visor
Honestly don't have a super big scumread on Visor myself, but given their still as-of-yet unexplained obsession with getting people to react to me on D1 and Rask+Waza being here I'm willing to entertain it for now while I stare balefully in Maple's general direction.
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 03:28
Sunbae Town + I kinda agree on Cape unpairing and I townread 2 of the 3 people Sunbae suggested = Cape is probably just town.
(Yes I already had Cape as probably town and I'm re-iterating it with different reasons shush)
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 03:29
Actually Visor's obsession with poking people in my direction might just be a strong wolftell. There was the other game where they wolfed recently and we D1'd em where they had this aggro on me for 0 reason.
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 03:38
Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him
Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v
Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out
vote: ender
:fuel:
Okay nevermind this isn't as similar as I wanted it to be. Nyeh.
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 03:43
gonna be real, don't really think village raskol thinks it is a bright idea to kill nl who actually made posts (and some of those posts were pretty good GeneralHankerchief)
i get not liking my read progression or whatever the kids call it these days but i think your personal dislike of my read doesn't make it wolfy - lack of understanding seems to be my undoing a lot these days which is frustrating but it isn't like i can become a different person in that respect (nor would i want to)
even going into today, theres no thought process behind it, its just 'kill visor' which is the kind of thing you post (similar to how he did at eod) when its not about actually putting the game together, but just about pushing your wincon forward
i would like to think that village raskol would be both cautious and optimistic about my alignment, because its generally enjoyable to work together but i don't really think he has said anything that really approximates that kind of process
its sad, i have a sentimental streak about wolfreading friends, but sometimes they go mask off like that and i guess it just cuts out lol
don't think he could've painted the words IM A WOLF anymore clearly to me than his eod (maybe esp given logic flipping v)
Rask has absolutely gone aggressive vote on you before as town with not a ~lot of reasoning.
The game I just posted a quote from Rask was pushing you pretty heavily on D1 (And was the first person to really start a wagon on you that game).
In fact iirc Rask's carelessly aggressive pushing is more aligned with his towngame than wolfgame?
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 03:47
Also Lissa might be my second biggest sus after re-reading eod.
There's a lot of wishywashy ending in a lame vote on Logic. And the 'agonising' over who to sus doesn't really feel like it's going anywhere. Maybe will feel diff after they enter D2 but this is worthy of a :curtain:
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3VisorEnderWiggin (6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866901&viewfull=1#post2053866901)), Raskolnikov (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866844&viewfull=1#post2053866844)), waza (1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866850&viewfull=1#post2053866850))
2RaskolnikovSunbae (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866885&viewfull=1#post2053866885)), Visor (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866846&viewfull=1#post2053866846))
6Not VotingCape90 (9), Jan (0), Lissa (0), Logic (0), Maple (3), ladd (1)
I kinda dont think visor is a wolf now
But i dont think rask is a wolf either (more strongly so)
Not sure if them being v/v works out tho lol
gonna be real, don't really think village raskol thinks it is a bright idea to kill nl who actually made posts (and some of those posts were pretty good GeneralHankerchief)
i get not liking my read progression or whatever the kids call it these days but i think your personal dislike of my read doesn't make it wolfy - lack of understanding seems to be my undoing a lot these days which is frustrating but it isn't like i can become a different person in that respect (nor would i want to)
even going into today, theres no thought process behind it, its just 'kill visor' which is the kind of thing you post (similar to how he did at eod) when its not about actually putting the game together, but just about pushing your wincon forward
i would like to think that village raskol would be both cautious and optimistic about my alignment, because its generally enjoyable to work together but i don't really think he has said anything that really approximates that kind of process
its sad, i have a sentimental streak about wolfreading friends, but sometimes they go mask off like that and i guess it just cuts out lol
don't think he could've painted the words IM A WOLF anymore clearly to me than his eod (maybe esp given logic flipping v)
How does logic flipping v make it look worse for rask?
Ngl rask is probs the person I’m least likely to vote today (maybe that doesn’t mean much given how little I’ve read so I’m not very confident or attached to my reads)
But yeah feels like villa rask, and I like to think I have a pretty decent read on him, I’m sure if there is someone better it would be u at reading him I may reconsider if I ever come around to u being v, but even then it might be a tough sell ngl. Do u really think w!rask would really expose themselves as you say to push you here? Why not just NK you? Why not just push someone like me instead when I have barely any presence and nobody would blame him for being wrong me (heck even I wouldn’t blame him). Why do u think he would bother to push a v!visor who is present and posting as you say
Visor
I kinda dont think visor is a wolf now
But i dont think rask is a wolf either (more strongly so)
Not sure if them being v/v works out tho lol
Okay imma ride with u still even if the NK is weird lmao
Kinda agree with this sentiment cos at first I thought visors reaction to rask today was outting but then after the wall I can possibly see a v/v angle, even if I’m not really sold on visor being town yet
Ill play the unonrrverse card and say that the one thing that lings me about visor is their push on maple. It almost feels w/w eheh
Anyway i ll sheep sunbae for a bit and see what happens
I am still ~kinda confident Rask is town. Confidence shaken but not stirred.
Vote: Visor
Honestly don't have a super big scumread on Visor myself, but given their still as-of-yet unexplained obsession with getting people to react to me on D1 and Rask+Waza being here I'm willing to entertain it for now while I stare balefully in Maple's general direction.
Why is me being on the wagon a good sign lol? Do you have me as town? (Sorry if u posted this somewhere d1 I likely haven’t gone over those posts yet)
Okay imma ride with u still even if the NK is weird lmao
Kinda agree with this sentiment cos at first I thought visors reaction to rask today was outting but then after the wall I can possibly see a v/v angle, even if I’m not really sold on visor being town yet
And yes funnily enough this is a me coded night kill and part of me wondered if you were doing what I did to you last game as revenge but realised u probs don’t care for stuff like that and ur read on me this game doesn’t reflect that either lol
Rest of Enders posts today are okay enough
Anyone have a read on Jan? Probs another slot whose posts I didn’t read yesterday because of timing not aligning with mine
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 06:19
Why is me being on the wagon a good sign lol? Do you have me as town? (Sorry if u posted this somewhere d1 I likely haven’t gone over those posts yet)
Yes I had you as lightly town so far lol. I forget what for but it was kinda early d1.
I probably shouldn't hold that static but I'mma be real I cannot remember anything you did after first half of day1
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 06:20
I also cannot remember what you did before halfway through D1 but I townread it kinda so that works for me.
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 06:23
Rest of Enders posts today are okay enough
Anyone have a read on Jan? Probs another slot whose posts I didn’t read yesterday because of timing not aligning with mine
I had Jan as wolfy. They kinda misrepped me in a "defend Maple but not directly" way that kinda felt paired but idk if I'm reading too much into it.
It was this whole "How does Ender do this to Maple?!??!?"
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 06:23
Is it bad that I remember the reasons I have for wolfreading people better than my reason for townreading you waza
Entertaining the visor/rask v/v worlds some more since my mind is now on it
Kinda think sunbae looks worse in this hypothetical, not sure I really understand their reasoning for not pushing me today and obviously in a visor/rask v/v world it’s easy to see agenda in that they can just pursue keeping these two at odds against each other whilst shelving me as a push later on in the game. Like they haven’t really indicated any real reason to not push me today so I’m not sure I buy why they wanna give me more space especially since they’re not really trying to prod me to try and squeeze something AI from me to try and find me here
Also not a fan for how convoluted their cape read is, seems like there’s too many unnecessary layers to it. Feels like it should just be as simple as saying cape is posting like a villa so he’s probs just a villa. Don’t really see the need to build hypothetical wolf teams to try and use that to clear cape off. But maybe that’s just a difference in playstyle and me finding cape to be more obvious than others may find him
Yes I had you as lightly town so far lol. I forget what for but it was kinda early d1.
I probably shouldn't hold that static but I'mma be real I cannot remember anything you did after first half of day1
It’s because I did nothing, similar to the first half of the day so I’m curious where u read came from if u can check back to explain it to me
Is it bad that I remember the reasons I have for wolfreading people better than my reason for townreading you waza
Not unless ur not town because u somehow stumbled into a correct read for probably wrong reasons but hey it works for the both of us lol so I can’t complain
Entertaining the visor/rask v/v worlds some more since my mind is now on it
Kinda think sunbae looks worse in this hypothetical, not sure I really understand their reasoning for not pushing me today and obviously in a visor/rask v/v world it’s easy to see agenda in that they can just pursue keeping these two at odds against each other whilst shelving me as a push later on in the game. Like they haven’t really indicated any real reason to not push me today so I’m not sure I buy why they wanna give me more space especially since they’re not really trying to prod me to try and squeeze something AI from me to try and find me here
Also not a fan for how convoluted their cape read is, seems like there’s too many unnecessary layers to it. Feels like it should just be as simple as saying cape is posting like a villa so he’s probs just a villa. Don’t really see the need to build hypothetical wolf teams to try and use that to clear cape off. But maybe that’s just a difference in playstyle and me finding cape to be more obvious than others may find him
That being said I did find it minutely towny when sunbae made the comment that they wouldn’t be surprised if their reads are flipped outside down, and also the vote on rask might be TWTBAW if rask is v since I can’t imagine a wolf wanting to push him in that world without first being backed into a corner to do so out of omgus. But maybe I’m just projecting what my mindset would be in me w!worlds and v!rask, feels like trying to push brad into an EM lobby, I don’t see it working unless ur specifically playing into the TWTBAW angle
EnderWiggin
08-14-2025, 06:32
Mmmmm.
This is a lot of not accurate stuff. Rask has been busy as town or wolf and it rarely impacts how he goes about the next game. I do like this read even tho I think it's silly.
Waza can be a lil bit green.
Oh yeah it was kinda dumb. I found it.
... This probably doesn't hold water anymore tbh. It was a weak daystart read about a process that felt more town!waza coded but honestly I do not at all hold it difficult for wolf!waza to have made the read.
waza
Hi how do you read me. I remember you had a ~reasonable grasp on my playstyle comparative to the average player. And I remember my best reads on you came from your treatment of me and how you went about reading me.
You've made vague statements about me being "okay" so far, do you have any specific posts or thoughts of mine you feel are more in line with my town/wolf play specifically?
Don’t see myself voting rask or cape today
Probs not ladd unless he starts posting howlers
Everyone else I suppose is fair game
Oh yeah it was kinda dumb. I found it.
... This probably doesn't hold water anymore tbh. It was a weak daystart read about a process that felt more town!waza coded but honestly I do not at all hold it difficult for wolf!waza to have made the read.
waza
Hi how do you read me. I remember you had a ~reasonable grasp on my playstyle comparative to the average player. And I remember my best reads on you came from your treatment of me and how you went about reading me.
You've made vague statements about me being "okay" so far, do you have any specific posts or thoughts of mine you feel are more in line with my town/wolf play specifically?
Tbh not really much depth to my read on u or anyone I tr, just vibes
I could easily see myself turning on you in v!visor and v!lissa worlds since u seem to be playing into that so far, though not sure who your teammates would be in that case lol. U seemed to sus Jan which I suppose doesn’t totally rule out w/w but also isn’t my immediate reaction either. U work with sunbae and maple maybe ig
So yeah tldr ur probs the middle man who seems tonally okay and i will judge based on how flips go
If visor lissa jan is wolf heavy then that’s favorable for you, if its very villa heavy then you might be in trouble or at the very least will require a more closer reading
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 06:42
Rask has absolutely gone aggressive vote on you before as town with not a ~lot of reasoning.
The game I just posted a quote from Rask was pushing you pretty heavily on D1 (And was the first person to really start a wagon on you that game).
In fact iirc Rask's carelessly aggressive pushing is more aligned with his towngame than wolfgame?
Tout a fait. (Yes, its true. And visor knows it. Yet he is here posting nonsense and pinging GH to make him smile out of his meme posts. We are supposed to tr that. Right.)
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 06:47
Visor I dont really know what you saw in my eod. I explained why I was voting you (ie 2 meh cases on Cape, cases that I didnt feel you believed in them, and the way you turnarounded), but you just shrugged it and now are using it to push me.
If I had to sum up for the class, I dont feel you are trying to figure out people alignment. You are just pushing people, waoting for a case to take off.
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 06:49
The one post I liked toDay from you is the call out to Jan. I am indeed kinda depressed noone and especially him is posting.
I thought his d1 was kinda underwhelming but the few posts were good. (Quality over quantity I guess).
I expected ladd/waza to post more too. Finishing my ketchup
chat i will not lie i am way more exhausted than i expected
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 06:55
I expected ladd/waza to post more too. Finishing my ketchup
Lol this aged badly, sorry guys.
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 07:08
In a villa!Visor world (lol our villaging this game pal, #cooked), we prolly need to look into lissa/Maple and maybe jan. I am still digesting wazas posts but I liked the read on sunbae, especially the twtbaw part.
Hmm i was about to post "dunno if a wolf comes up with it" but actually yes, that would be the wolf mindset. Hmm i still like the posts and depth into them.
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 07:16
Vote: Lissa
:pirate2:
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 07:18
(Mostly sponging ladd/waza for now)
inb4 they are visors partners hehe
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2LissaRaskolnikov (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866934&viewfull=1#post2053866934)), ladd (4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866908&viewfull=1#post2053866908))
2RaskolnikovSunbae (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866885&viewfull=1#post2053866885)), Visor (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866846&viewfull=1#post2053866846))
2VisorEnderWiggin (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866901&viewfull=1#post2053866901)), waza (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866850&viewfull=1#post2053866850))
5Not VotingCape90 (9), Jan (0), Lissa (0), Logic (0), Maple (4)
The one post I liked toDay from you is the call out to Jan. I am indeed kinda depressed noone and especially him is posting.
I thought his d1 was kinda underwhelming but the few posts were good. (Quality over quantity I guess).
I expected ladd/waza to post more too. Finishing my ketchup
I am afkish d2 cause i am trekking in the mountains next 3 irla days sorry
Its why i tried to be active d1
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 08:08
Where is your head at Lissa?
sorta trying to reorient myself atm
i gotta say idt vanta is a kill i expected (not that i put much thought into it, lol)
theres def 3 wolves, cape. 2 would be pretty atypical, knights role removes a miskill in raw numbers but puts some kp into the game kinda, which can counter it
i think cape is just a villa
i think visor is a villa?
i will definitely be asleep in a few hours, but appreciate it
my luck on ssrs is so bad. i can do like max guts and power.... the worst stats LOL
also i wonder if this is a game that brings back the classic
https://i.imgur.com/JU8e816.png
i have some old ass links saved lol
i'm sort of squinting at this though; not sure why i would have any reason to be lissa2frozen in this game as either alignment
always a great image tho
but meh think visor is just a villa
lets be real though: theres nobody who has actually posted anything strongly alignment indicative. that reads list i posted is where my heads at but i wouldnt be shocked if it was upside down. the only semi-strong thoughts i have are:
- I do not think the way Cape used Enders put to vote Manti is something wolfCape does while teamed with Ender or Manti in that game state. I also do not thing the interactions between Cape/you and Cape/Lissa are very w/w. Which is leaning me to villa read Cape at the moment due to the few teammates i find possible. It does not mean Cape is lock town but if Cape is a wolf I think its with Ladd/Waza/Rask and, well thats a smaller section than the alternative.
- I have not really moved from my Waza read (I have specifically seen Waza do the "ill be your double voter" thing as both alignments so that needle isn't moved) but I also feel like day 2 is a day I need to actually poke/prod more on interactions/posts than just d1 vibes of things being more likely to be wolf than v. So Im giving space.
- I kind of dislike Lissa's overall body of work but I'll get more into that tonight also
yeah you sure aren't wrong about the first line
i agree cape/ender/maple are all pretty unpaired and also cape/visor
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 08:52
Who are the wolves lissa iyo?
Who are the wolves lissa iyo?
i'll come back to this
i thought that me saying idk a lot was a wolftell for me
i guess not since i just seem to be doing that now
lamist post kill cape for this
villagery introspection ngl
(Mostly sponging ladd/waza for now)
inb4 they are visors partners hehe
Lollll I’m not even sure if I sus lissa
She could be a wolf, I have no thoughts there either. I have towns outside of her so In theory that increases her wolf equity, but normally I expect her to sorta do more than she is rn as a wolf. I remember hearing her talk about how being present sod and start of game being an easy time to vibe and pick up trs as wolf, don’t recall her doing that either days. If she’s a wolf she’s playing a more background game than any wolf rand I’ve seen her in, which I suppose isn’t impossible seeing that the vibe of this lobby is a lot more chill
Visor why do yiu think maple is a wolf?
Also fair enuf on my ender stuff not making sense. I have been extremely wishy wash tgis game, i admit it
Lollll I’m not even sure if I sus lissa
She could be a wolf, I have no thoughts there either. I have towns outside of her so In theory that increases her wolf equity, but normally I expect her to sorta do more than she is rn as a wolf. I remember hearing her talk about how being present sod and start of game being an easy time to vibe and pick up trs as wolf, don’t recall her doing that either days. If she’s a wolf she’s playing a more background game than any wolf rand I’ve seen her in, which I suppose isn’t impossible seeing that the vibe of this lobby is a lot more chill
ngl yeah think that would probably be at least similarly true still if i was a wolf in this particular game. i've just been kinda chilling for a few reasons including that this game is pretty chillpaced/vibed
it is true in general, i think it is genuinely easier and more common for me to pick up d1 village reads as a wolf, especially early day
Jan
what do you make of vanta dying overnight - specifically because they were wolfreading you yesterday?
*shrug* wasn't me, chief.
I don't see a good reason to kill vanta outside of strong wolfteam wants to be confusing.
I liked cape, ender and sunbae the most when catching up today.
I think this was a good post by waza while everything else he did was kind of whatever.
Entertaining the visor/rask v/v worlds some more since my mind is now on it
Kinda think sunbae looks worse in this hypothetical, not sure I really understand their reasoning for not pushing me today and obviously in a visor/rask v/v world it’s easy to see agenda in that they can just pursue keeping these two at odds against each other whilst shelving me as a push later on in the game. Like they haven’t really indicated any real reason to not push me today so I’m not sure I buy why they wanna give me more space especially since they’re not really trying to prod me to try and squeeze something AI from me to try and find me here
Also not a fan for how convoluted their cape read is, seems like there’s too many unnecessary layers to it. Feels like it should just be as simple as saying cape is posting like a villa so he’s probs just a villa. Don’t really see the need to build hypothetical wolf teams to try and use that to clear cape off. But maybe that’s just a difference in playstyle and me finding cape to be more obvious than others may find him
Vote:Lissa
Raskolnikov
EnderWiggin
Cape90
Sunbae
waza
ladd
Visor
Maple
Lissa
This is my order right now.
Maple is not a wolf by play and just down there because everyone above has done things to be towny.
Rask is toptier purely on vibes.
Enders d1 intro rarely comes from a wolf and I liked his d2 start as well.
Can you explain why his d1 intro doesnt come from a wolf? Talking about ender
Can you explain why his d1 intro doesnt come from a wolf? Talking about ender
Can you explain why his d1 intro doesnt come from a wolf? Talking about ender
too convoluted.
the way he agreed with maple just to turn around within 2 heartbeats.
All over the place in a way that normally only villagers play.
i'm sort of squinting at this though; not sure why i would have any reason to be lissa2frozen in this game as either alignment
always a great image tho
I was just looking through my bookmarks for a gif to respond to sunbae when I saw it lol
Just wanted an excuse to post it as it amused me
I was just looking through my bookmarks for a gif to respond to sunbae when I saw it lol
Just wanted an excuse to post it as it amused me
fair and valid, highly appropriate usage then
Visor why do yiu think maple is a wolf?
Also fair enuf on my ender stuff not making sense. I have been extremely wishy wash tgis game, i admit it
They aren't doing anything unless they get attention
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2LissaJan (4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866952&viewfull=1#post2053866952)), Raskolnikov (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866934&viewfull=1#post2053866934))
2RaskolnikovSunbae (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866885&viewfull=1#post2053866885)), Visor (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866846&viewfull=1#post2053866846))
2VisorEnderWiggin (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866901&viewfull=1#post2053866901)), waza (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866850&viewfull=1#post2053866850))
1Janladd (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155137-Kylo-Ren-s-Banana-Time-Mafia?p=2053866950&viewfull=1#post2053866950))
4Not VotingCape90 (9), Lissa (9), Logic (0), Maple (4)
They aren't doing anything unless they get attention
It's the short version anyway - basically they aren't gonna do anything unless they are in danger, it's their slanking wolf type of game imo
Re Jan: have been disappointed with him today, d1 was fine, had the joie de vivre I am looking for from v Jan but today is more doiur
And not any counter culture reads (like against thread position) that he is worried about
Like if he was wolf reading Ladd or sunbae or rask but not feeling like he should push there or something
Idk what to make of enders posts towards me rn I will need to read them when I get home
It's the short version anyway - basically they aren't gonna do anything unless they are in danger, it's their slanking wolf type of game imo
Re Jan: have been disappointed with him today, d1 was fine, had the joie de vivre I am looking for from v Jan but today is more doiur
And not any counter culture reads (like against thread position) that he is worried about
Like if he was wolf reading Ladd or sunbae or rask but not feeling like he should push there or something
Idk what to make of enders posts towards me rn I will need to read them when I get home
Ladd is in the weird position where I think he could be a wolf, but there is no point in pushing him today, when he is mostly gone for this phase.
The n1 kill makes me think Ladd will be alive for a while, and we can talk about him when he is back.
I agree with waza that sunbae might be someone to look at if you are a villager (or rather if rask/you is v/v).
I don't have a strong read on you, but I rarely read you these days. You either find a wolf and die at night or don't find a wolf and die during the day.
I don't think this game has a lot of "counter culture" simply because most people could still be wolves and reads are fairly soft.
Actually Visor's obsession with poking people in my direction might just be a strong wolftell. There was the other game where they wolfed recently and we D1'd em where they had this aggro on me for 0 reason.
does the /way/ he did it seem similar?
i don't really read him as like weirdly obsessed with you or honestly /obsessed/ with you at all idk if i'm remembering poorly but he talked about like a lot of other stuff i feel like. so i don't totally get this
Also Lissa might be my second biggest sus after re-reading eod.
There's a lot of wishywashy ending in a lame vote on Logic. And the 'agonising' over who to sus doesn't really feel like it's going anywhere. Maybe will feel diff after they enter D2 but this is worthy of a :curtain:
idk what agonising you are talking about, i don't remember agonising lol
i didn't want to kill maple, i kinda liked a couple of her posts
i thought visor was a villa
i had a decent few people i thought were villas so killing someone ~rand seemed fine and i didn't have an alternative i really liked with any confidence to be interested to push
I’m less willing to vote Jan now than I was earlier in the phase after their recent stint of posts
But not willing enough to put them in town list yet
Entertaining the visor/rask v/v worlds some more since my mind is now on it
Kinda think sunbae looks worse in this hypothetical, not sure I really understand their reasoning for not pushing me today and obviously in a visor/rask v/v world it’s easy to see agenda in that they can just pursue keeping these two at odds against each other whilst shelving me as a push later on in the game. Like they haven’t really indicated any real reason to not push me today so I’m not sure I buy why they wanna give me more space especially since they’re not really trying to prod me to try and squeeze something AI from me to try and find me here
Also not a fan for how convoluted their cape read is, seems like there’s too many unnecessary layers to it. Feels like it should just be as simple as saying cape is posting like a villa so he’s probs just a villa. Don’t really see the need to build hypothetical wolf teams to try and use that to clear cape off. But maybe that’s just a difference in playstyle and me finding cape to be more obvious than others may find him
i kinda think visor/rask v/v is the world i think
idt the cape partners thing is that unreasonable tbh, not sure about the rest need to relook at ig
I’m less willing to vote Jan now than I was earlier in the phase after their recent stint of posts
But not willing enough to put them in town list yet
don't worry, chief. we'll get there!
Just for me to stab you in the back and vote you out when you least expect it!
idk i reread sunbae and he feels like a villager lol
i think jan's probably just a wolf
vote: jan
i have no idea who i think the others are, really
i know there's probably too many people i don't think they are!
vote: jan
nobody saw that
anyway i'll talk about this more after sleep
hmmm, i suppose its time to play a little werewolf so ima go read the thread in full
Read thread.
1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan
I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.
I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 22:46
It hurts to post it but Visor might be villa. I have tasked myself with being a good team player so I wont push it anyway against the thread (unless I can punt him at eod :curtain: ).
Its more POE than anything else but I think lissa still has wolf equity. Maple too since they have been idle from game start basically (outside some post about Ender).
Ender I feel good about, might be teinted by the fact they have a correct read on me... cannot parse it vetween tmi or just good villaging... still unlikely to go there for now.
Sunbae meh, some posts are good but I have not reached the level of confidence I had in the last game we played together (vigging Visor is a towntell though, it doesnt count), but it might be a volume problem.
No change about waza/ladd for me, still town heh.
I know I am tring a wolf so I am just going to focus on voting coreectly toDay, tinfoil tmr.
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 22:47
Lol what a useless post I made. Ok foegot about Cape. Cape villa
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 22:48
Read thread.
1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan
I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.
I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.
Dont because ur wrong.
Anyway, walk me through your pairings pls. Just seem random to me. (Me / Mapoule? Wat?)
Read thread.
1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan
I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.
I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.
idk if me and rask have interacted at all this gmae is this like a vibes thing or what
idk if me and rask have interacted at all this gmae is this like a vibes thing or what
It's a gamestate thing yeah. Here let me write a post thats way too long for a small chill game because i have free time, gimmie a few
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 22:58
It's a gamestate thing yeah. Here let me write a post thats way too long for a small chill game because i have free time, gimmie a few
Just for clarification, and considering the reads I just post, I understand u could come up with waza/ladd/me as a team... its just the pairing with Maple which was smh surprising... i am prolly going off soon bit Ill engage with ir subsequent posts l8r.
(Not mentionnong I am surprised in the bad sense that u cannot find me town here but heh, will see how it colors my read)
Raskolnikov
08-14-2025, 23:01
Anyway, su in 8 hours :hatsoff:
Read thread.
1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan
I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.
I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.
Why only one in Ladd ender
What do you make of ladds switch off from ender
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