The Megapolis

[ChErNoByl]

Ok, got the mod working. Very fun

I like your website, that picture is cool. Where is that from?

[flip]

Chernobyl

great How did you make it?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Those are Spartan and Thebian Hoplites just before Thermophylae.Mates, my last post for this year i'me gone getting pissed. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Zimoa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[komninos]

Happy New Year,

Apparently you all have gone headlong with the mod, ...

Any way I will try to merge all the changes in the production Excel files I use.

Now Sir Moody can you develop a nice Hero file for each of the period. for Dark Age the names I have set are OK but for the rest are not good. Also some Generals, emissaries, ... are needed in each faction. Can you look in to it?

Some thing new now ... last night I have made an attempt to merge the Trojan war units in the HTW map and using the most of the stuff we have for HTW. It took me ~2hours but it went OK. So We can easily built a mod starting at 1600 till 1000BC http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif this will be a detail to the one planed for the larger map but will make unit development fast and easy. First Test was Great.

DJ can we work together on the Chariot thing?? I have some limited knowledge to make it but it will look a lot better with your input.

[youone]

To Kom and all you modders have a great NewYear http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Great web site Zimoa that opening page will have people wanting more Have along lay in tomorrow youv'e all erned it
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[Sir Moody]

Kom yes i can develop one Heros file per age BUT this will only aply if they player starts in the age so if they start on Geometric and move onto Clasical they still will use Geometric names

Another thing i can do thru the Hero File is set Real life Kings and Heros to pop up during the campaign - all i need is a list of the heros/famous kings ud want and the date they came into being http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

oh yes and happy new year all

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif There was a problem on the site with the textfiles(fixed it now),used Matisse ITC as letter type to give a Greekish and Ancient look but when you have a slower modem or surfer you see all text in Roman.Now i have ADSL so i see the site in Matisse,everybody else is this the case for you too and if not,no problems in the text?Can't check this myself so please give some feedback when you see any flaws.Komninos is the site ok,do you want more info on it for your future plans?Let me know here in the forum or give me a mailzimoa@pi.be if you have things you like,don't like,or want to add.One more thing you are all more involved in the total war community so is there a possibility the site can be placed on the org,also made some links to our friends of NAPMTW and MEMTW some links back maybe?Don't know which leg to pull.Wish you all the best for 2004.:wave:
Zimoa

[ChErNoByl]

Quote[/b] (flip @ Dec. 31 2003,10:38)]great How did you make it?
I reinstalled everything and started a new campaign. Weird how it doesnt work on older installations.

[Antalis::]

I look again and again on our site, wonderful http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Antalis::]

Good news:

All the landscapes are ready to get added to the mod, also the Persian wars campaign and the three historical battles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Rosacrux]

Great site gentlemen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Allthough, I am flattered to be on the "makers" of the mod, I haven't done much "making" since my initial involvement in the unit line-up and descriptions, and so I think it is a credit not deserved.

"Contributor" would suffice, methinks.

Keep up the good work and create a fool-proof version of the mod, so everybody can enjoy it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif


Oh, and a very, very happy new year to all of you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/santa.gif

[Antalis::]

Could we make the colors of the Thessalia- and Boethia-factions a bit more different?
They are too simillar.

[flip]

>>Could we make the colors of the Thessalia- and Boethia-factions a bit more different?
They are too simillar.

I found that also. Also Persians are Yellow, not orange anymore, maybe we have to change the fac shields and flags for that faction

[komninos]

Hi all,

I think we can declare the thread as the most active thread on the boards http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

OK, Thessalia and Boeotia will be changed (I think I will invert the colour so Thessalia will be white-blue and Boeotia bluw-white).
Persians are Yellow but more to the Red side with out being orange ... any better ideas will be helpful.

I have been fascinated with the older period so I have finally ported all the stuff of the Trojan mod to the HTW map and now it works nicely ... would you like to see the stuff in the next update???? (I just don't have bif chariot units) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

BTW ... don't worry I will make those Phalangites you all to have ... I just take some time off

[Antalis::]

I would give the Boethians and Thessalians absolutly differnt colors.
Athen has also blue.
I think one blue faction is enough.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Thanks to our Italian friends.Ti amo,ti... amo,www.genovino.it (http://www.genovino.it/mtw/)
Zimoa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[youone]

To all
I don't want to take up your time Kom,but just finished a long beta test with no new bugs, so I try my hand at making a new unit" just 4 fun" Called it Veteran Elite Polemiste alter the hellenic unit file just to give it some minor changes just to reflect a vet soldier tighter formation etc change the shield to the Hoplites increased the cost(alot),but reduced the build time because vet's don't need so much trianing worked great I'm hocked I'll be reading up on the posts on how to make new graphics I think the best thanks 4 you is when your work influences others http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[dunnichen]

Hello Development Team, Happy New Year to You all

I know You are busy with the Mod, but perhaps besides You can help me, too.

I am trying to install HTW 2.1 but have some strange problems. The link to the guide a few pages back is out of order and I don't understand the install instructions from the HTW-homepage.

I have created a folder C/.../Hellenic-total war for a new installation of MTW + VI + Patch2.1. From campmap/portraits I have copied the Viking folder and named the copied one "Hellenic". But what does "paste" mean? Must be a PC special for I cannot find a senseful meaning in the dictionaries I have available. Does it mean: let the renamed folder "Hellenic" quietly rest in the campmap/portraits folder? I did so.

Shall I delete the Viking folder? I did not do so; instead I let it in the campmap/portraits-folder.

I unzipped the mod and the smallpatch directly in the folder C/.../Hellenic-total war. When the programm asked wether the existing files should be overwritten I clicked "Yes". Is this right or must the Mod-Files be added to the existing files? I don't think so, but...

Then I looked for the files to change with IrfanView. Now the problem: there are no files MapTex.jpg and MapTex2.jpg in the folder textures/campmap/hellenic http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

What is wrong? Hope You can help me

PS: Special question to Antalis. Does a install instruction in German exist?

[flip]

dunnichen

hi, you did everything well, overwriten its the way.
Just check that you are getting the right patch "HTW-Beta-2-V-2-1.rar" 55.633K.
Now tell me the complete path to your HTW install "C/.../Hellenic-total war". I suspect its a incorrect install procedure. There's a generic folder"MTW", you may change the name to it, then inside a default folder "Medieval - Total war", dont change this name. Its in this last one you have to put the files. Paste meens "leinen" in dictionary.

[youone]

KOMNIONS
Can you change the intro video I know the rome one on the VI is not greek ,but is nearer the time scale of HTW.
Dunnichen
You'll need two programs Winrar and infan view both can be found on WWW.google.com
I'm not one of the development team ,but a long player of this great mod.What I do to install is this
1 Make sure it's a clean install upto VI2.01
2Click on explore metw
3click on search in your tool bar type in Vikings click ok
4Rename all the viking FOLDERS to Hellenic,you may be stopped on one ,but carry on until all are do.
5 go through previous again you should have one more to do
6 Now extract mod into METW DIR it will ask you if you wish to overwrite click yes to all
7 Now this is the point where you can become stuck.
You'll need a program called infan view its on the posts or use google to find it
Click on explore METW click on textures/campmap/hellenic
8 Inturn open both the map files Maptex2 Maptex with infan view and then save as an tga file remember where you save them.now go to your saved map files highlight them both right click copy
go back to textures/campmap/hellenic folder in METW and click edit in your tool bar click paste Done
Works for me
Best of luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Antalis::]

ok, download these three files:

Beta:
Beta (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/HTW-Beta-2-V-2-1.rar)

Small patch (for ships):
small patch (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/small-patch.zip)

startpos fix:
startpos fix (http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/startpos.zip)


Installation:

1.Use a new installation of MTW+VI.

- Then unzipp the "Beta" into the new MTW main directory.
- Unzipp the "Small patch" into the same directory.
- Unzipp the "Startpos fix" to a folder outside of the new MTW installation (rename it to HTW if you want) and copy all three files of it into your "campmap/startpos"-folder.


2. Now open your "Textures/campmap/Hellenic" folder and convert the "mapTex.jpg" and "mapTex2.jpg" to TGA format.
Use "IrfanView" for that:
IrfanView (http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html) and put the two tga´s into the same folder.


If you don´t have the english version of MTW: Open your "Loc" folder:
After you have installed all three files (Beta, Small patch and Startpos-fix) from above you get a "Eng"-folder in this Loc-folder.
Open it and copy all files from it to your language folder: In my case from the "Eng"-folder to the "German"-folder.


Now it should work.

[mzocker]

Why does the mod always crash in the campainmod. I have started a new campain with the lakodemians in the second period, and then, when I want to end the first round, the game crashes. Why????????????????

[dunnichen]

Thanks a lot, flip, youone and Antalis.

I had a version of HTW 2.1 with only 15 MB.
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Now I've catched the real one and will try again.

Your explanations differ a bit from each other and also from the instructions on the homepage. Are there several ways to succeed?

Antalis, is it not longer necessary to rename the folders from "Viking" to "Hellenic"? Is it not necessary to copy the folder "Battles/Mapimage/Arid" und put it in the folder "Temperate"? Don't you have to delete the Campmap/Portraits/Hellenic/Orthodox and copy/ put in instead the catholic folders?

When (if) I succeed in installing the Mod I could write a install instruction for PC stupids like me for the homepage if You think it is necessary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Antalis::]

Yes you don´t have to rename a folder anymore.
Also you don´t have to copy any portaits and paste them anywhere.

About the Mapimages: Forget it for now.
Its not that important.
If you don´t copy and paste them from the Arid into the Temperate folder (in Battle/Mapimage) then you get no image in temperate terrain provinces for castle previews.
But copy it AFTER you had installed the hole mod, not as first act.


About the CTD: I don´t know if there is really a bug.
Its so wirad, I know that problem, but other times with a new install it works... .
I search to find the reason for that.
Till now with no success.

If something is really wrong: After a long search I guess it would have something to do with the Unitprod or Buildingprod.
Maybe also with the campaignmap.txts.
But I guess with the unitprod or build.prod .

Because if you try to use the old v1.0 camp.txts, unitprod and buildingprod with the new v 2.1 then also the problematic installation works (were this CTD was).

[ChErNoByl]

Mzocker, you'll need to reinstall MTW+VI and reapply the mod, that seems to be the only solution now. I had the same problem and it seems the developers were stumped as well.

[Sir Moody]

Kom do you think i can have a set of starting dates in Real life terms i know you posted em some time back but for the life of me i cant work it out - i can then start releasing some Real Life king Packs

[youone]

dunnichen
Antalis is the collect way to install V2v2-1 beta the way I explained it was for the early version (13mb) which by mistake is the one I thought you wherw trying to install
hope youv'e got it working
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[Díaz de Vivar]

First at all, you´re doing a great work with this mod, is very good. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

However, i see a important issue here, the Trade system distorts the playable. There are too many ships and the trade income is too decisive and generates too profits. And if the engine of MTW doesn´t stand out, is the naval combat and trade system.

For example, in my current game (begin 250), playing Spartans:

Year 278:
Illyrians -112543 F
Macedon +33825 F
Athene +140969
Corinthea +194687
Lacedem +54776
Boeotea +11512
Lydians +384798
Argians +47636

Year 300:
Illyrians -21203 F
Macedon +5514 F
Athene +64299
Corinthea +172714
Lacedem +17934
Boeotea -40862
Lydians +40648
Argians +43881

Sincerely, this isn´t a balanced game. IMHO, i look for a similar trade system as Medieval: decrease rather the number of resources and to be a secundary thing. However if a player gets a good trade net, the profits can be interesting. And make taxs the main income (as Medieval).

I know that Trade was very important during Ancient Greece however Medieval isn´t a good trade game and orientate it in that direction, would be follow the wrong way.

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[dunnichen]

Success at last http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

I get it running, it is quite easy if one follows Antalis advice.

The Mod is great work. The units look much better than in the original MTW. How did you manage this?

I fear for the rest of my hollidays I have to play, play, play...

There are minor things to change but I think you know what it is. Pictures of units for example. If you can't get one of some perhaps I could draw something.

To the trade system I cannot say much now but it is very important to balance it because in MTW the nation with more money wins. I would like if every nation (except the Persians) would have little money because I don't like huge armies.

Could you tell something about the files in which the abilities weapons are defined? I looked to the hellenic-unit-prod but I can't find definitions of the projeciles (for slings for example) in the projectile-stats-file.

I will have a deeper look to the hellenic-unit-prod in the next days. On the first look compared to MTW most units seem to have very high melee boni but why not if balance is okay.

By the way: Akondistes have defense bonus 2 and armour level 2, Peltasts defence bonus 0 and armour level 1. Both units seem to be without armour in the pictures. Did the Akondistes wear some form of armour? Otherwise they should have the same value as peltasts.

But now I have to go back to HTW

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PS: The only thing I realy don't like is that many lightly
armed units seem to wear big heavy military boots although they should go with bare feet. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Sorry the install instructions were a little dated,changed it on the site so it is ok now.Planning on doing some "look" changes over the weekend.Cheers,hope you all enjoy playing it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[flip]

dunnichen

Hi, glad you make it.
Units icons will have some, little, changes in final version, Akondistes e Peltasts need a tunning.
other aspects of the game, as parchmments and events will have new pics,

[komninos]

Hi all,

I have seen many things with cash flow in the mod so this is a first attempt to fix this. small fix (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/NewDA.zip)

What I did is reduce the trade profits to 20% and double the farm output. This has the fix for the names too. (For Geometric period)

Please backup you other DA_Hellenic.txt file.

Antalis ... this one has the change I told you about ... I am doing the renaming for the maps. I will try to put the specific maps of the areas. There are also a set of valid map names not used the Costal River ones

[Antalis::]

komninos:

I saw that you have changed also the castle-definitions.
Then you have to change also the names of some of the castle-series to flat (specially the plainscastle-name-series).

[komninos]

Hi,

Till now I have changed all PlainsXXX maps and map images to Flat and vice versa. All castle maps and map images have been changed to Flat.

I have not tested yet but I can't see any problem there.

I will tackle the rivers tomorrow and if it goes well I will start with some text files for the missing descriptions

[Díaz de Vivar]

Quote[/b] (komninos @ Jan. 03 2004,20:38)]Hi all,

I have seen many things with cash flow in the mod so this is a first attempt to fix this. small fix (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/NewDA.zip)

What I did is reduce the trade profits to 20% and double the farm output. This has the fix for the names too. (For Geometric period).
It sounds good. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The main problem of trade in MTW is that it´s too fragile. In times of peace, trade profits can be important but if suddenly you are at war and sea blockaded begins, quickly you will bankrupt if your income depends mainly on trade.

I think it´d work better a system mainly based on tax income. It´s more or less stable and the AI can correctly handles without bankruptcys.

I see tha maintenance costs of troops too expensive. However in the battlefield, the fight(Hoplites are great)is really good, better than Medieval so far. It´s incredible to see the Hoplites fight until the end. Great work here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Sir Moody]

ok ive spent the last week working on the Prod list to try and find out how it all works and i THINK ive come up with the reason for al lthe strange production

how it works is simple - all the types of personality have a base score - this is the production value that will in normal conditions will be used

then their are some additions - these are ADDED upon the base value so when these additons are added some values that are normally low suddenly are High and thus are produced

this is probably the reasoning the AI is making behind the odd choices ofr production

im testing a new set of values right now

[ChErNoByl]

My campaign is going okay, instead of having thousands of skirmishers they now have hoplites in their armies In fact, more than 50% of their armies are now hoplites, which makes it Very vrey gvrey fun. Though it is extremely hard to eliminate a faction, for they are overseas and my ships are easily lost in the giant swarm of enemy ships piled in the many blockaded seas.

I have to resort to sending assassins or bribing an army or something, i can rarely get troops across water for some reason.

[Antalis::]

I´m working on some more mountain-maps: I´ve made 3 new maps and maybe I will make more, lets see.

Maybe I will also make some more flat maps, but I don´t know.

http://max45.250free.com/mountain1.jpg



Antalis

[komninos]

Hi all,

First of all I have updated the Small Patch- (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/NewDA.zip) file with rivers so I need your opinion ... I personally hate the way MT treats river battles
Any way most rivers in Greece can be crossed on foot nearly 90% of time. (Pinios is one big river but most of the time you will see a small stream running not a mighty river like Danube) On the other hand at those times river battles happened near the shallows not across bridges.

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Antalis::

That is a hell of a map ... keep it up

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Díaz de Vivar, yes ships need some tuning.

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Sir Moody,

Sorry ... I have not forgotten about you.
1. I will try to send you a mail with the Excel file I am using to get the units and there values. It is an enhanced production file from CA. I don't like to treat its unit separately ... I try to build universal function if I can.

2. On Kings - Hero names ... I will try to find some though Rosacrux can be a lot more helpful here (if he has the time). I was thinking to make each faction start with 2 - 3 heroes and then produce some every 20 - 30 years. Heroes can be Generals or anything else.

[Antalis::]

Till now I have 5 new mountain maps (so 10 at the moment), one new flat map, also 2 coastalrivermaps, a new mountainrivermap and two hillymaps.

So the final version will have 96 landscape maps (till now, but I believe, that could be the final number of maps, lets see) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif :


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[komninos]

Hi all,

Just a small update ...

I just included Duke Johns cavalry units so here are some pics.


Thessalian Cavalry (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/cav-1.jpg)

Cavalry manoeuvres (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/cav-2.jpg) *note Cavalry has shields while standing but they are not used during the attack

Geometrical age Thracian Cavalry (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/cav-3.jpg)

Thracians Cavalry fighting (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/cav-4.jpg)

Charging (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/cav-5.jpg)

Macedonian Xistophory (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/cav-6.jpg) * note - I have fixed some coordinates

Xistophory Charging down some Thracians (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/cav-7.jpg)

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Also Construction and Destruction tags have been added for the Palestra and new Descriptions for the some buildings that still used the VI description.

Ships sunk messages are OK now.

[flip]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif to Kom and DJ

[youone]

Kom
Them cav units are super can't wait for the full release,next to them maps of antails the final mod is going to capture the era of the greeks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[SicilianVespers]

Are there any plans to add the Sicilian Greeks or Megale Hellas to HTW?

I would love to play as Akragas (my home town) vs the Carthaginians, or defend Syracusae against the Athenians

SV

[komninos]

Hi SicilianVespers,

NO ... sory ... I should have included the shouth part of Italy and Sicily ... just wait till we get the HTW ready ... then I will try some "quick" mods that used existing material ... an Italian map is in the pipeline for "Imerum Romanum" ... actualy the making of Rome as a dominator of the Italian Peninsula.

Don't wory you will try the Gastaphetis on the Carthegians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[SicilianVespers]

You do know your stuff, don't you.

For everyone else, the gastraphetes was an early crossbow/ballista type weapon invented in Sicily around 400BC.

Did I read that you were going to do a Bronze age mod? this would be excellent

I am getting visions of a custom castle map for "Tiryns of the Great Walls" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Now if you could add Kamikos and Kokalos I would be in heaven http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Marco]

Just want to say thx for a great mod guys, I had a little go on it last night and definately be having more sleepless nights in the coming weeks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

can u play this online?

[komninos]

Hi Marco,

I am not that much of an On-line player but I would like to know how this mod would look on-line ... can some of you try an On-line battles. If you could record them it would be even better.

Cheers

[Marco]

sure, if Im on I use the nick RTK4Marco...but not been online for a while.

[Antalis::]

11 new maps are ready to get added to the mod:


Antalis http://www.smilies.okipages.com/s/kao/otn/cat.gif

[flip]

Can we have a short "historial" of maps development for HTW? What releases, and versions, wich maps work with wich version of HTW. We have packs for Castles, rivers, campaign maps, etc.Also wich maps goes with the small fixs and Startpos fixs? Please Antalis and Kom, I suspect that may be a little hard to understand for first users. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Antalis::]

Castles come with the normal beta2.1.
Nobody except you, kom and me has the landscapes or historical battles till we will release them in hopefully not far future.


Antalis http://www.smilies.okipages.com/s/kao/otn/cat.gifhttp://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif (I love that cat http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ).

[Antalis::]

The landscapes work very well. I gave them names and added river-maps, historical maps and all works more then fantastic http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .


cheers:

Antalis, a man who never was in Silizy, but made the Aetna as landscape http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,

I Read something about standard shield drawings for some of the factions. So:
Argians get the Gorgon (The strange face with fangs)
Thebians get the Club
Spartans the Lamda

So this brought some changes around ... it took my afternoon to remake them and here are the pics of most of the Greek units.

1. Slingers, Dark Age Hoplites, and Acondiste (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000000.jpg)

2.same, Marching (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000001.jpg)

3.Dark Age Cavalry (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000002.jpg)

4.Spartan Polemiste (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000003.jpg)

5.One final charge (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000004.jpg)

6.Thebian Secret Band, Hoplites, Peltasts (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000005.jpg)

7.Cavalry (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000006.jpg)

8.Thessalian Cavalry, in battle (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000007.jpg)

9.One though cookie, Spartans (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000008.jpg)

10.And an other one, Argians (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000009.jpg)

11.Athenians, hoplites, Cavalry, Peltasts (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000010.jpg)

12.Thracian Peltasts (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000011.jpg)

13.Thracian Thureophory, light but not to take them lightly (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000012.jpg)

14.Charging Cavalry, note no shield (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000013.jpg)

15.Thracian Cavalry (reverted) (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000014.jpg)

16.Idiots (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/00000015.jpg)... opened there formation on the charge and took a blow from that cavalry unit They passed though the last ranks of the unit took many of them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Antalis::]

that looks really good kom http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I like that shilds.
Argians shilds look great, wow

[LOTR-Helper]

I am sad to be reporting a possible bug.

BACKGROUND:
Geometric, playing Athens. I possess both Athens and N. Cycladic isles. Neither the Saronic gulf nor the West Aegean sea is hostile. Boats are in the water.

PROBLEM:
At the start of a turn, with troops in both provinces, I can move troops starting in Attika to N. Cyc. However, I cannot move troops stationed in North Cyc. to Attika. There must be a set_neighbors problem with the sea region(s). I am suprised that it did not crash

(cough) This is of course, very bad news for someone who moved nearly all his troops over in a recent invasion. (cough).

[flip]

Komninos, good one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
My turn now. Did someone asked for armoured hoplites?
I'm in the begining, but if this goes well, new units in the horizon.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h2.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h3.jpg

[Scipio]

wow flip those pics are amazing For a second I thought I was looking at Time Comanders or Rtw or somethin http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Antalis::]

Flip, that looks very good

[komninos]

Flip ... very nice, just a question , are you going by painting the bifs? or like DJ by a 3D model?
Cause if you are going by the bifs ... you are in for a rough ride
And as a side note ... since these are dark age troops the helmet need some modification ... the plum needs to be elevated on a small spike. Take a look at the images I posted some time ago.

========================================

LOTR-Helper, I know ... that is because the Cycladitic islands use the inner sea region for troop transport ... I have to change that I think ... I can make a quick fix with the map ... but no map fixes are quick or painless. A new map is in the pipeline ... but it will take some time to be realized in the game ... I will take a note of that.

[Sir Moody]

wow flip great job

[flip]

Komninos

>>Flip ... very nice, just a question , are you going by painting the bifs? or like DJ by a 3D model?
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/hoplite.gif
3D pure. I'm tryng to automatize tasks. Then it will be quick. There's a program made for LORT that speed the job in bifs produtions (UM_LoTR.vbs), but not easy at first eye.Also it uses a dll "csImageFileTrial.dll", that will expire this month for trial porposes, lol. Is there a quick way to produce coordinates for the images rectangles?What I'm doing for now is to use other bifs and positioning the new sprites over. This is good, because, for example, for HTW, we dont need to change or touch in any coordinates, Actions, Shields or weapons. The problem is that I'll have more space limitations. Any tips?

[komninos]

Flip,

I sent you a large mail explaining a lot of stuff and giving all the info I have. I like the detail on it excellent It would be good if it had the actions:

1. Stand
2. Walk
3. Run
4. Charge (upper grip, not running but more of a fast march)
5. Fight with spear (upper grip)
6. Fight with sword
7. Through

Cheers

[Marco]

Is there a separate thread to report possible bugs and give feedback or can I use this one?

[Sir Moody]

use this one marco and well get back to you with a soloution sooner or later

[Duke John]

Flip
Congratulations with your unit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

You should download csImageFileTrial.dll every month. A bit of a hindrance, but it's free.

UM_LOTR does make coordinates for the rectangles. I don't use the MakeBIF button since it screws up the palette, but you can use MakeFrames. When done processing you should go to UnitFrames\Uruk_Hai and open DICXref_NegInf.txt. Scroll down till you see a list of apdic action 23 23 23 14 15 These are the coordinates for all the actions. Then open another notepad, open the unit's actionpage and start copying the coordinates only. Leave out apdic action.

Good luck with it

Cheers, Duke John

[Antalis::]

Does anyone knows "Poser"? I downloaded the demo for the "Poser 4 pro pack" and its fantastic: You can deform and make every imagable posings with a 3D-model.
Also it has good rendering functions.

The demo is limited for 30 days trial:poser 4 pro demo trial (http://www.curiouslabs.com/filemanager/download/20/WinProPackDemo.zip)
(edit: If you would buy it: You would need also Poser 4).

Here is the website of Poser:
Poser (http://www.curiouslabs.com/)

Maybe flip or Duke John, or anyone else can need it.

[flip]

Hi all,

Kom, I receaved your email, thanks, a lot of information to deal with and so less time. It will be nice full free time to work on HTW.

OK, 3D guys, Poser 5 is the way to go. Antalis, you got me.
I'm beginning with that program, a lot of potencials but need time to take all the advantages. You have to look for resources in the net for Poser. If someone wanna work with Poser I may give some templates. I got a ready made Hoplite template that I can now change and adapt. Building for scratch is a pain.

DJ, thanks, I'm aplying new images over your bifs. With this no need to recalculate coordinates. The disvantage are space limitations. The LOTR program is a bit mistery for me till now. Get Poser, and we may exchange files. Or, better, if I'l send you new animations can you easily build the coordinates? Because this is a Hommeric task, we have to distribut the work. Poser as interactivity with Light wave, you can adjust some elements there and reimported them to Poser.

Antalis, I got your new campaign files, need time to test it.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (flip @ Jan. 09 2004,11:10)]Antalis, I got your new campaign files, need time to test it.
No need to test them anymore. All problems with that are solved so far.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Posted two mails with a request to put a link on the frontpage of the Org but no response whatsoever,can anyone help me out here?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Zimoa

[Antalis::]

Maybe you could write TosaInu (if you havn´t wrote already), but with a PM.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Wrote some personal mails,so we will see.Some good news we have a link on the frontpage of TOTALWAR.COM (http://www.totalwar.com) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Zimoa

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (zimoa @ Jan. 09 2004,14:15)]Wrote some personal mails,so we will see.Some good news we have a link on the frontpage of www.totalwar.com http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Zimoa
That´s great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Antalis,some people have crash problems by installing are there made some changes in the upload files?Install instructions are still correct?

[Antalis::]

Hmm, could you be more prezise?
What did they said exactly?

And yes, the instructions are correct if you only download the beta, small patch and the startpos fix.

Is it again the strange problem with the CTD in turning to another year for a few people?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Yes indeed it is.What do i advise them?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

They crash after a couple of turns,sometimes with the first turn

[Antalis::]

Ah, ok, the strange bug again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif .

I´m confused about that too.

What should I say, I searched and searched, but found nothing so far.

I hope that we will find the problem causing this.


Till this, the only solution is to install MTW+VI again and install then HTW over them and hoping that the problem is gone.


I know that answer is not satisfying, but there is no better at the moment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Sir Moody]

ok kom im working with the file u have given me and ive come up with something - can u let me in on the ratios for the Persian armies ie HeavyInf:LightInf:Cavalry as im onto something

[Marco]

Just a few things

think I spotted a bug with the territories Lacedaemo, Argolis, and Cynuria...cant seem to land an invasion force from the sea to it. I tried it the other way round and departing from these territories is fine. Also the sea zones in general needs working on, I can move freely across most sea zones in one go, not sure if this was intended.

Game play wise, I think trading is a little too easy in this game, you can amass a fortune with only a handful of territories. Usually very easy to allies with all the other greeks city states and the money would just roll in. Also what is the garrisoning power of akondiste? I need a lot of them to pacify a new province, I think this holds back the AI a little as most of time I see rebellion after rebellions on AI held territories.

only a little feedback from myself as I am enjoying the game, cant wait for updates. Continue the good work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Antalis::]

Here is a crashreport of a damaged version of the mod:

MEDIEVAL_TW.EXE caused an EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION in module MEDIEVAL_TW.EXE at 016F:005BBF57
EAX=03A2A9A8 EBX=00000000 ECX=00000000 EDX=00000005 ESI=00000000
EDI=00000000 EBP=000014AE ESP=0130B0BC EIP=005BBF57 FLG=00210246
CS=016F DS=0177 SS=0177 ES=0177 FS=12EF GS=0000
016F:005BBF57 (0x01B60201 0xCD0001B9 0x820F0713 0xBF81011A) MEDIEVAL_TW.EXE

Can anyone say what this means exactly?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif Since the new links the site has seen an increase of visits by 600%The HTW community is growing nicely gentleman,keep up your greatly deeds.
Zimoa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[komninos]

Just a little insight ...
V.1 and V.2.1 are totally incompatible so if you started a game in V.1 saved and then placed V.2.1 it will definitely not work. Also it is bad practice to install V.2.1 over V.1 since a lot of things have changed and you will end up with many files that should not be there.

Antalis I will try and see what is wrong with the file you sent me. Early V.2 had a problem with rebellions (they used ship units on land causing a CTD). This does not happen any more.

Also Acondiste is a very light unit so use the hoplites for garrison.

Marco, the trade/Tax thing has been fixed so now things are somewhat more ballaced. Also the Eastern provinces have an advantage since they are to compensate for the large provinces in the east out of the map area.

Sir Moody,
The numbers in the columns used are the normalised values (present_value/MAX_of_values) and these are what is mainly used for the faction behaviour. The way things are calculated there is a mixture of what "needed" most. So Cath and Orth should look more for armour and Muslim to light missile units and Cav. There is also a residue from the past functions used by CA. In general I am not confident with all that yet.

[Sir Moody]

kom by placing in a "cultural Ratio" to the units and mutiplying the formula by half that ive been able t oget Classical era working great - still having probs with geometric age tho and i havent looking in on northan tribes or the Eastern to see what they are building - one problem with this is the ships need redoing a little http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[dunnichen]

1. Please don't laugh at me too much (you can do a bit), but I wish to start coping with unit-creation and unit appearance. I planned to start with the cavalry in HTW, but I've seen it's already on the way (had to play and couldn't visit this page for some time). Creating new units would also be useful for my planned Minimod "Warfare around 1500 AD".

I tried changing the bif-files, but that can bring you to a lunatic asylum. Now I read about your 3D images and saw flips new unit. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

So perhaps I should buy Poser 4 or 5 and create 3D-units. From your point of view: is it a case of megalomania to try Poser 5 or somethink like this, if you are not (and I am not) already a graphics specialist?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

In the Dungeon I don't find much about the creation of new units (graphics). Can you give me a hint?


2. I have played HTW 2.1 a lot and I really like it. Never got a crash or someting like this.

Some little remarks:
- Is it for purpose that you can go over wide areas of the sea in one move with every ship (exept merchant ships)? The reach of ships should be a bit shorter and perhaps different.
- I don't like the fact that you get all the high developed ships (esp. triere and late triere) so fast. There should be more buildings to get one.
- The big mighty ships should be a little bit slower than smaller ships.
- I couldn't build a keep in conquered provinces in the Geometric times. Is this for purpose? Why?
- Why is there not the possibility to build metalsmiths in provinces with iron (I gave all to get one in the first play, but all was in vain http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ).
Maybe it's for the balance of the units?
- Why did you not use "Slav warriors" for the Scythian warband? It would harmonize with the unit picture (which the "PlateS" unit appearance does not).
- It's a bit strange when my general of the Thebian Sacred Band is blamed for his interest in boys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif
- I did not play the asian nations yet, but the Illyrians are a bit too weak, I think. It's not so easy to fight the Greeks, which is for sure historically correct. Maybe I'm to weak for the challenge.
- Profit from trade is huge, so you can get a fortune very easy. Income from agriculture should be favoured even more than in your first fix for this.
- Till now it has happened to often that the Persian king died without a heir. But maybe that was coincidence. Because everybody grabed the rebel provinces, the Persian had great difficulties to recover. But they should be the superpower in the game.

Only little stuff to remark. Even if you wouldn't change a lot, HTW now would be a great Mod. I look for the future development with great delight. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[dunnichen]

I've forgotten something. I really like it that you need a lot of units to hinder rebellions from starting. Some others don't seem to agree to this, but for me this feature is the best hindrance to rapid expansion and nasty mega-nations. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Antalis::]

This is a patch against the turning to another year bug (CTD) for HTW v2.1 Beta:


This patch can protect your HTW version against the CTD bug.



BUT please, don´t install it, if you don´t have the turning to another year problem



If you had CTD´s (crash to desktops, when you turned to another year) then install this patch to
protect your NEW campaigns against the same problem.
But only then, install it, please

Installation:
Copy the "Medieval.Cfg"-file in your HTW main directory.


It protects your HTW against the CTD bug if you beginn a new campaign, but I doupt that it could heal
a damaged save-game, but try it.


You can get it with this link:

CTD-patch (http://max45.250free.com/HTW-beta_patch2.zip)


I hope that this patch is really the solution for all problems with this CTD, lets see.


ok, the patch works: But huge unit size in the options causes still a CTD in the next round, but except that, all unit sizes working.

I must confess that I´m always playing on default size: Is this (that you cannot use the huge size) a common problem of the mod?
Do you use huge?

Also the resolution should not be too low.
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[flip]

Progress work
This is going fine, fase one (walk) is done. Early generic hoplite is on the way. I was a bit concerned with the space of the bifs. Decided to build them from scratch,new actions pages is more easy to calculate that I imagine, work around with color paletes and I think I found a automated process that leads to a quick prodution of sprites. Beggining its allways the hard part http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Komninos, now for the actions, I have infinit possibilities, we have to stay tune.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h4.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h5.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h6.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h7.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h8.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/hoplite2.gif

[komninos]

Hi flip,

Just a quick not to take on the Hoplite.
Dark age Hoplites virtually from 1000BC till early 5th century BC used that Bell shaped armour I sent you. The armour extended in the front and the back It was also more flat. It took the muscular structure much later (Hellenistic age). The armour it self is more or less flat with some drawings on it. Near the abdomen it turns out words to give some freedom of movement.
The crescent of the helmet is smaller (just the area above the head ... at least for the Hoplites the officers usually had a larger one and Kings the "triple crescent" found in some god statues just look at the pictures I sent you.

[Faenaris]

Is it normal that the weapons (swords, spears, etc.) are floating a bit above and away from the soldier? Will this be fixed?

[komninos]

Hi BattleKnight,

Sorry I am not the best animation people around and I have no tool for this bit of work that is really very difficult. I will try but don't expect something soon.

dunnichen,

- Is it for purpose that you can go over wide areas of the sea in one move with every ship (exept merchant ships)? The reach of ships should be a bit shorter and perhaps different.

Well it is recorded that a Triere with a crack crew crossed the Aegean from Athens to Lesvos in 12houres The area of the map s not very big that is why ships cross the Aegean in one move.

- I don't like the fact that you get all the high developed ships (esp. triere and late triere) so fast. There should be more buildings to get one.

Actually you have to build up for them I just have the main provinces ready to build them.

- The big mighty ships should be a little bit slower than smaller ships.

They are ... Don’t forget Penticonter, Biere, Triere all are about the same size with more oars. The large Egyptian stile ships are slow. Phoenicians have a super fast one.

- I couldn't build a keep in conquered provinces in the Geometric times. Is this for purpose? Why?

Depending on the faction ... The Northern factions just can't. The rest have to build a RoyalPalace3 or RoyalCourt3 to enable it

- Why is there not the possibility to build metalsmiths in provinces with iron (I gave all to get one in the first play, but all was in vain ).

Hmmm ... this might be a bug ... I wonted to put metal smiths in regions with Iron or Copper ... Apparently done it the wrong way I will try again

- Why did you not use "Slav warriors" for the Scythian warband? It would harmonize with the unit picture (which the "PlateS" unit appearance does not).

They are closer to the Skyths ...

- It's a bit strange when my general of the Thebian Sacred Band is blamed for his interest in boys

Sorry ... but that is the V&V system of the MTW ... Muslims were getting bad drinking habits

- I did not play the asian nations yet, but the Illyrians are a bit too weak, I think. It's not so easy to fight the Greeks, which is for sure historically correct. Maybe I'm to weak for the challenge.

Illirians are week but have rapid production and large numbers They also have fast units that can use in there mountains better than heavy infantry

- Profit from trade is huge, so you can get a fortune very easy. Income from agriculture should be favoured even more than in your first fix for this.

This has been addressed and fixed.

- Till now it has happened to often that the Persian king died without a heir. But maybe that was coincidence. Because everybody grabed the rebel provinces, the Persian had great difficulties to recover. But they should be the superpower in the game.

Yes I have given more power to the Eastern provinces.

[jjwarrior]

Komninos,

This looks like a GREAT mod One big problem, im not very computer "savy" and Cannot get the files to work properly. I have tried Everything.....well with my limited knowledge anyways....I followed your instructions exactly...dunno whats wrong??? PLEASE please please have someone make an installer for this AWESOME mod (i know it takes time and effort, but novice MTW players would appreciate it greatly)

Thanks

[jjwarrior]

Quote[/b] (jjwarrior @ Jan. 11 2004,11:01)]Komninos,

This looks like a GREAT mod One big problem, im not very computer "savy" and Cannot get the files to work properly. I have tried Everything.....well with my limited knowledge anyways....I followed your instructions exactly...dunno whats wrong??? PLEASE please please have someone make an installer for this AWESOME mod (i know it takes time and effort, but novice MTW players would appreciate it greatly)

Thanks
Did somebody say Mcdonalds?

[Clearchus]

Just tried out the mod, and I have to say it is superb, but I was wondering if there is a tech tree available. I'm not sure how to get some units, for example, the Macedonian phalangites (sp?). Any help is welcome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Marco]

dunnichen

You can build keeps in conquered provinces you have to build a couple of extra buildings but i cant remember the name. Stoa or astoria..its the building with 6 reds flag on it, and then you need to build the building you get after it too.

Is anyone else having trouble running normal VI after installing the mod? I have it in 2 different folders but on the same drive. I tried reinstalling VI but all i get is VI crashing.

[komninos]

Marco,
No you can't run VI or normal MTW after this mod is installed To get some of the units and the environment stuff in we overwrite some parts of the MTW/VI

jjwarrior,
Just wait for the final version it will come out soon and it will be all raped up in a nice ZIP file. You will still have to do some work (transform the map JPGs) but that is not much.

[A_B]

First of all, this mod is FANTASTIC It is easily better than the Viking expansion pack -which cost $35.

I have some questions;

1. the persion king seems to die without an hier. Is this on purpose?

2. The support cost of Slingers is REALLY high. As the human, i just don't build them unless i'm in some kind of emergancy and that is all that is avialable. However, the AI does build them, which has to hurt thier economy.

3. The support cost/cost of some other units seems a bit out of whack - just a thought.

It would be very cool to have a Rebel Faction bank territory, such as the Millenium mod has. They have it set up so that Africa is always rebel held (because it isn't attached to any other territory), and makes 100,000 florin per turn. The net effect is that the Rebels can build units and upgrade their territory. I think this would be a great addition to the Hellinic mod, since the rebels represent many small city states, which would put up a good fight.

Thanks again for a great mod.

[komninos]

Hi A_B,

I will check the Slingers ...
The rebel units have a huge support cost on purpose.
Rebel Faction bank territory is a nice idea ... I wonder how I can realise it ... but I will look in to it.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Guys the link for the ctd patch is not working and have the problem now myself,bugger....
Zimoa

[Antalis::]

A river:



http://max45.250free.com/newriver2.jpg

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Antalis could you mail me the CTD Patch?Was a while that i played HTW(busy beta-testing for NTW,also CTD's,just hate it)
Zimoa

[Antalis::]

I accidantially deleted the patch from my website-space, sorry: He is now again aviable with the same links.
Please upload the patch also to your webspace.




Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif


New smilys here: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif

[Antalis::]

A river in the mountains:

http://max45.250free.com/mountaininlr1.jpg

[Antalis::]

A coastalriver:

http://max45.250free.com/rivercoastal.jpg

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Looks great Antalis and thank you,it is working fine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

[Antalis::]

Thank you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


btw: I love the new smileys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif This one is great
Zimoa

[komninos]

zimoa I could not agree more ... I think I will have to add it my banner ... this is a constant situation here
I think this is the correct line for mod production.

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[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

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Zimoa

[Antalis::]

1000, thats a lot http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cool.gif



Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Antalis::]

To all:

Please don´t play this Beta with LARGE or HUGE unit size in the options: You could get a CTD sometimes when you start a battle.

So use the DEFAULT unit size for the moment.

[Apollo]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif I have posted to flanders inbox the forum in totalwar mods and here so i need to say that before i intalled the mod i had no problums not saying that ur mod did it but every time i try to play i get the meassage unknown fraction specified column 20 row 8 fn_egyptian and i was wondering if u knew a way to fix this bug

[Apollo]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif I have posted to flanders inbox the forum in totalwar mods and here so i need to say that before i intalled the mod i had no problums not saying that ur mod did it but every time i try to play i get the meassage unknown fraction specified column 20 row 8 fn_egyptian and i was wondering if u knew a way to fix this bug

[Apollo]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif I have posted to flanders inbox the forum in totalwar mods and here so i need to say that before i intalled the mod i had no problums not saying that ur mod did it but every time i try to play i get the meassage unknown fraction specified column 20 row 8 fn_egyptian and i was wondering if u knew a way to fix this bug cause i don't http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

[Antalis::]

Hi Apollo, welcome to the forum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif :


Look at the official HTW website in the downloadsection how to install this mod right:

And use a fresh Install of MTW for it:

HTW installation guide (http://hostingprod.com/@hellenictotalwar.com/pages/htw2pag.html)


Antalis

[komninos]

Hi all,

First lets start with something to excite you

The Yficratian Hoplites use a lighter type of armor a smaller shield and many times are referred to as Peltaste (Using a Pelti not a Hoplon). To compensate for there reduced armor Yficrates increased the size of their spears ~1.5 time resulting in a 4,5m pikes.

http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/Yfic.jpg

The Macedonian Phalangites were the creation of Philip fother of Alexander. The initial idea was to hide troop movement behind a spear wall but the proved a lot more devastating in combat. As with the earlier Yficratian Hoplites the Phalangites had reduced armor and a smaller shield. The Pike “Sariza” was 6m in length with ballast at the end.

http://www.original21paris.com/timos/images/Maced.jpg

These two come with there Hellenistic counter parts. The difference is that the Hellenistic armies had developed a series of other troop types with a lot more mobility like Thorakites (similar to the Legionari) and so the Pike units became heavier.
Though only Sariza units were produced at this time I made a Late Athenian Yficratian Hoplite too.

========================================================

Since some things take more than expected time I decided to move in to Peloponnesian war, Rise of Macedon, Roman Conquest. The two basic units can be seen above. Unfortunately there is no Roman Legionari made for this period so I will use the one from the Praetorian mod with new shields. ... hopefully flip or DJ will make heavy sword unit for the Thorakites and Legionari.

To compensate for the massive Eastern armies and to give some edge to the barbarians and to the lightly equipped Eastern armies I have generated units with unit size > 100. This will be the case so have in mind that this mod should be used at normal. Also at this moment the Persian units have a base strength at ~120 men this might change to about ~160 – 180. This will result to a battlefield Greek army of 1536 men and for the Persians 2560 men. ... though this makes me wonder ... CA was talking about 10000 men battles ???? hmmm this might be with the 200men units, 16 unit armies (3200 men total / army) and 3 faction battle ???

Any way by the time I am ready with these ... flip will have the Dark age Hoplite ready for introduction. And DJ might have some other units.

Till then I will make generally available one more beta that will have all the fixes till now and more. A part of this “more” is a small mod with the introduction of the Trojan War units and the HTW map and material. This will be the base for the coming but still far Bronze Age HTW or Bronze Age TW using a new map ... this has to be decided after the final release of HTW.

[komninos]

Hi Appolo, Kalos irthes stin koinotita tou .ORG kai tou HTW.

The message you get means some thing is very wrong with the installation The Betta zip has to be extracted in the main MTW directory Actually this message comes when the campaign text files calls an invalid or a non-existing unit / building file so something is very wrong with the installation.

Just for those who need an installer ... I will pack the next pack in a self extracting file ... but you will still have to transform the MAP form JPG to TGA

BTW ... re filarako I see your frastration but you don’t need to post the same thing 3 times with a 2min interval ... we are fast But not that fast ;) ... hmmm now that I think of it the Greek origin HTW community is growing ... should we organize a get together???

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif Komninos again you show you're skills and devotion to HTW thank you for all your hard laborIf things are ready mail me and i will change links and stuff on the site,because instructions and some other texts need to be changed,i ask you to notify me in advance i'll make sure the site will be up to date ASA v2.01 is ready for public release. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
Zimoa

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Flip,DJ,Antalis,Sir Moody http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sunny.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-tongue2.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif 1500 visits http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Zimoa

[youone]

KOM
You've mentioned size of armies I know from playing METW the one thing that spoils a battle is waiting for yor replacements to arrive, is there any way game code,engine allowing that when you've got an allie figthing the same battle that you can take command.
I haven't try it with the rebels using the cheat ".conan.",but in theory if you put two armies into the same state you will be in command of both,has any one try this and I've been missing out.
Again the pics look fantastic it will be interesting to see your stats regarding the lighter armour with longer pike Peltaste (Using a Pelti not a Hoplon). against more armour and shorter pike.
Every time I pass this forum and pay a visit your work along with the other members of the team I have to sit back and grin great work keep it comeing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sunny.gif

[flip]

Progress update, working on Dark Age units. Achilles on the way.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h9.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h10.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h11.jpg

[komninos]

Hi flip.

Fantastic work
I will send you today a frame from the new Dark age / late Mycenaean. Better and more shield types and also spears (fixed the pike size though we might just need it).

Pls don't make an Achilles ... I know it would be Great having a Hero unit for this period where the Gods interact with humans ... but MTW does not treat the hero units well. I have some test to prove it. I would rather have the DA unit ready and then make an attempt to make the Thorakites / Early Legionary or some Eastern units.

[myces2000]

i had HTW downloads burned to cd. i attempted to put them on my MTW so as to play. i could not get it to work. any help in a more detailed way to get the program to work would be great. i do not have internet on this computer with MTW, does that matter since i just burned the downloads. again any help would be great.

[Antalis::]

Hi myces2000, welcome to the forum and our thread http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif :


Here is the guide for installing this mod from our official HTW website:


Download these three files (links at the HTW-site):

Hellenic Total War v2.1 Beta
Small patch (for ships):
Startpos fix:



Installation:

1.Use a new installation of MTW+VI.

- Then unzipp the "Beta" into the new MTW main directory.
- Unzipp the "Small patch" into the same directory.
- Unzipp the "Startpos fix" to a folder outside of the new MTW installation (rename it to HTW if you want) and copy all three files of it into your "campmap/startpos"-folder.


2. Now open your "Textures/campmap/Hellenic" folder and convert the "mapTex.jpg" and "mapTex2.jpg" to TGA format.
Use "IrfanView" for that(link above)and put the two tga´s into the same folder.


If you don´t have the English version of MTW: Open your "Loc" folder:
After you have installed all three files (Beta, Small patch and Startpos-fix) from above you get a "Eng"-folder in this Loc-folder.
Open it and copy all files from it to your language folder: As an example from the "Eng"-folder to the "German"-folder.




Patch in case of "Turning to another year bug" (crash to desktop):

This is a patch against the turning to another year bug (CTD) for HTW v2.1 Beta
This patch can protect your HTW version against the CTD bug.

BUT please, don´t install it, if you don´t have the turning to another year problem
If you had CTD´s (crash to desktops, when you turned to another year) then install this patch to
protect your NEW campaigns against the same problem.
But only then, install it, please

Installation of the CTD patch:
Copy the "Medieval.Cfg"-file into your HTW main directory.
It protects your HTW against the CTD bug if you beginn a new campaign, but I doupt that it could heal
a damaged save-game, but try it.
You can get it with this link:

CTD-patch:http://max45.250free.com/HTW-beta_patch2.zip(Link above)


Tip:set unit size on default so don’t play this mod on large or huge settings



Now it should work.
The HTW-team


And print this guide out, so that you can read it while the installation.
Also download "Irfan View" (a image viewer) to convert the two jps (read the guide).


greetings:

Antalis

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

komninos wrote:


Quote[/b] ] This will result to a battlefield Greek army of 1536 men and for the Persians 2560 men. ... though this makes me wonder ... CA was talking about 10000 men battles ???? hmmm this might be with the 200men units, 16 unit armies (3200 men total / army) and 3 faction battle ???
CA meant that, on a 8 player LAN MP game or 8 faction custom battle, with huge unit size.

In SP Campaign, the max army size for Normal it's 960 men. For Huge unit size, it's 1920.

For LAN MP games or custom battles, the max army size for Normal it's 1600 men. For Huge unit size, it's 3200.

Therefore, the MAX for an 8 player LAN MP game or 8 faction custom battle, it's:

8*3200 = 25600 men (I know, because I've tryed it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif Veeeeeerrrrryyyyyyy SLOW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sleep.gif )

For SP Campaign, without allies, it's only 2*1920 = 3840 men http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cry.gif



BTW, great work you've all put in the MOD http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

[Antalis::]

I´ve reworked the castles again and removed the keeps:

http://max45.250free.com/castle1.jpg

[Lord Of Storms]

Looks Good Antalis nice work...LOS

[JP226]

Has there been any word on maybe when the next update will be released?

[Antalis::]

@kom:

Have you seen the thread about changing the currency?: So we could change the florins to an ancient greek currency http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif .

Look here:
changing the currency (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=14384;&#top)

That are great news.


Thank you LOS for that info (and your kind words) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[flip]

Progress, DA_hoplite, walk and run ready.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h12.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h13.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h14.jpg

[Bellerophon]

Great job guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

as a real Spartan i have to say Hellenic total war is awesome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-beam.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif i wonder if we could try some maps in MP.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif i think it would be great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-beam.gif
oh and sth else: r u working on a new version of hellenic total war guys?

flip y these dark age hoplites have no shield? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-speechless.gif


great respect,
Bellerophon


malo mori quam foedari

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Welcome to the ORG, Bellerophon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Bellerophon]

hey Aymar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif


its good to meet the mod-community http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-builder.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-beam.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-beam.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif


great respect,
Bellerophon

ps:cool smiles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cool.gif


MALO MORI QUAM FOEDARI

[flip]

Wellcome Bellerophon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif

walk, run, stand :ready

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h15.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h16.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h17.jpg

[Bellerophon]

flip my friend im impressed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif


these r the right shields http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-beam.gif

welldone m8,great job


ps:is this a project for troyan war? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif
if yes then it ll be cool
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

great respect,
Bellerophon

[Bellerophon]

and sth else:

will the full release of HTW have dark age?
or only 3 eras?
just give me the latest news bout HTW guys and other ancient-period concerning mods http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif

thanx in advance

great respect,
Bellerophon


MALO MORI QUAM FOEDARI

http://www.orderofchaos.org/Bellerophon.jpg


proud member of chaos clan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif Chaos Clan (http://www.orderofchaos.org)

[JP226]

are you also going to change the pictures that come with the messages at the beginning of each turn to let you know what has happened?

[komninos]

Hi all,

Anatalis,
Yes I started with the monetary change ... but apparently there are more files there. Thanks LoS. The new currency will be “Gold Coins” or GC.

Here is a good question ... where are the Starting formation names???? LoS any ideas.

Flip,
Those are the Octaspis. It was abandoned by the time they had armor for protection and the Boeotean was used ... try shield number 1 this is of the intermediate period and I use it for the Myrmidons too.

Bellerophon,

Yes, I will have a "starting" part of a Bronze Age HTW in the new Beta. All its units are usable with Trojan war mod but don't use them together ... I will update it too to the new standard.

In the new beta (HTW v.2.1-Beta-3) there are going to be the following periods.
1. Bronze Age - for testing and feed back on units
First Triplet - 99% ready
2. Geometric
3. Proclassical
4. Classical
Second Triplet - 70% ready
5. Peloponnesian War
6. Rise of Macedon
7. Roman Conquest

Hopefully if I get some time V.3 will come as an update. It will introduce a new map with 99 (the max) provinces

[Flamininus]

Thanks for the CTD patch. I've played previous releases of this mod with no probs until the latest version then my CTD woes started end of year custom battles etc. Since installing this patch (fingers crossed) no more CTD

This is an excellent mod and I can't wait for the next release

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Lord Of Storms]

Quote[/b] ]Anatalis,
Yes I started with the monetary change ... but apparently there are more files there. Thanks LoS. The new currency will be “Gold Coins” or GC.

Here is a good question ... where are the Starting formation names???? LoS any ideas.


HI Kom, Antalis, Kom what did you mean More Files? did the change not work for you? I listed all the files I changed did you find something else? the only bits I did not bother with were in respect to Multiplayer, otherwise the changes I did are global in that they show on the campmap, in unit, building parchments and on custom battle screens, please let me know if I indeed have missed something,other then that it is working fine for me?
as to your question re:Formation Names I found this in Loc/Eng/Battle

//******************************************************
// Names of battle formations
//******************************************************
["ActionLineOfBattle"] {"Line of Battle"}
["ActionBattlesInColumn"] {"Battles in Column"}
["Action3LineAttack"] {"Three Line Attack"}
["ActionCavalryCharge"] {"Cavalry Charge"}
["ActionInfantryCharge"] {"Infantry Charge"}
["ActionScorpion"] {"Scorpion"}
["ActionEasternCavalry"] {"Eastern Cavalry"}
["ActionEastEuropeanCavalry"] {"East European Cavalry"}
["ActionSteppeEnvelopment"] {"Steppe Envelopment"}
["ActionCavalrySkirmish"] {"Cavalry Skirmish"}
["Action3LineDefense"] {"Three Line Defence"}
["ActionEasternDefense"] {"Eastern Defence"}
["ActionSquare"] {"Half Square"}
["ActionEnglish"] {"English"}
["ActionOttoman"] {"Ottoman"}

I hope it is what you are looking for.I will look inot it a bit further when I can...LOS

[flip]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif

We are sticky, yepee.

[Bellerophon]

hi all,

thanx for info komninos(patrioth) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cool.gif
a suggestion:i think u should change "proclassical" period to "archaic" period http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif (800-500B.C.)


great respect,
Bellerophon

"Ivris-Tisis-Nemesis"


http://www.orderofchaos.org/Bellerophon.jpg

Chaos Clan (http://www.orderofchaos.org)

[myces2000]

Antalis or anyone who has experiance with this. i attempted to load up hellenic total war and when i finished i got a error message stating "FN_Egyptian row 8 column 20" this was below "column_building_faction_associaton" in blue title. help, please.

[Antalis::]

I´ve noticed, that in the descriptions of the factions in the choosing of a faction before the campaign begins, the old MTW and Viking Invasion descriptions are.
So the Macedonians have the description of the irish faction and so on.

It would be good to change this, kom or maybe Rosacrux?

[Antalis::]

I love that pic. Its pic 2 of the "awaiting battle" pic: Now the enemy: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif :

http://max45.250free.com/4.jpg

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (Antalis:: @ Jan. 17 2004,04:57)]I´ve noticed, that in the descriptions of the factions in the choosing of a faction before the campaign begins, the old MTW and Viking Invasion descriptions are.
So the Macedonians have the description of the irish faction and so on.

It would be good to change this, kom or maybe Rosacrux?
Faction descriptions? Hmm... I think I can handle that ...allthough I am not extremely reliable duo to irregular workload http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif (I still owe you guys several unit descriptions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif ).

OK, expect a few faction descriptions within the week. Hopefully http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Antalis::]

That would be wonderful http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif



Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,

Well I found out that we are a sticky now and ask LoS to change the name of the thread too, HTW-Hellenic Total War Mod is a lot better than the original one.

Thanks LoS.

Some update first.
Didn't have the time I expected to have but three new units are tested and working
1. Gastraphetes
2. Lithovolos
3. Boeotean Machine

These are all raillery or better Antipersonnel weapons. 1 and 2 come at High and Late age and 3 at Early and it is only available to Boeoteans

1. Is a primitive crossbow but much heavier and bigger. The user supports it on his belly and thus the name. It was capable of inflicting damage even to heavy Infantry units. Initially built by Dionisos Dictator of Syracuse and used against the Cartesians it was quickly adopted throughout the Hellenic world. This is the first "Katapeltis" (Catapult) meaning it could be used against shield bearing troops. The name actually means against shield (kata peltis).

2. This is a stone tougher developed after the Gastraphetes. It is bigger than Gastraphetis and it needs a support. This is a very capable weapon and can cause considerable damage to any approaching unit.

3. This was first mentioned in Thukithithis. The Boeoteans used some type of flame tougher device to destroy some fortifications. It is a portable unit carried by a hoplite in to battle but it is not a long range weapon. The substance it was of acidic nature and set to fire could toast anything that came in contact with.

All these are emulated by simple infantry units. I am still searching for the best way to emulate them (in numbers) At the moment Gastraphetes has 32, Lithovolos but only 8 of them can fire (or I hope so) and Boeotean Machine has 8.

The problem with Boeotean Machine is that I wonted to have the boiling oil as a missile type weapon but still used the grenade that will do for the moment.
BTW ... Gastraphetes and Lithovolos for the moment use normal units ... till now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Lord Of Storms]

Greetings Kom, Antalis, I thought you might like to know, LK sent me a French PC War game magazine review of NTW and it also included pieces on HTW and METW, as well screenshots also I have a scan of it , it is in French, I will send it as soon as I get back on tom. it is late here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif ...LOS

[Antalis::]

That´s great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


And does this magazine also have the mods on theire Cds?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

LOS could you mail me a copy,thanks
CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
P.S.Love the new Lordz website,many congrats http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Duke John]

LoS
Could you also sent me a scan of that review? Since I worked on both METW and HTW I am quite curious on how they are reviewed.

email me at REMOVETHISrobgraat@hotmail.com

Thanks, Duke John

[Lord Of Storms]

OK Guys I have sent you the means to get the article, Enjoy
D.J. I did plan on getting it to you as well, I had Notified Martyr in a PM about the article last night, it was very late when I got it, so I had waited until this morning to spread it around, please do not share the link I sent you guys it is for yourselves only, I appreciate it...LOS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Antalis::]

Good articles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I saw that the number of this magazine is 08, so they don´t have the actual version of HTW and NTW, but anyways, its very nice to see that a PC games magazine writes about our mods http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Thank you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif LOS for the article it is a little dated because they reviewed previous versions of MTW,HTW and METW but they are very possitive indeed. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Lord Of Storms]

Correct Zimoa, albeit a little dated the fact that the Mods were deemed worthy of mention in there Magazine says something of the Mod, good work and congrats to all...LOS

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif
2500 visits

[Antalis::]

Here are some MapImages (previewimages) of two different castles with different upgrades. You´ll find for every map such images.
For every castle exsists 9 upgrades, so 10 different castles.


http://max45.250free.com/castlehilly03_4_1nr4.jpg

http://max45.250free.com/castlehilly06_5_0.jpg

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Looks great,oh thy king of mapmaking http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Antalis::]

The evolution of a castle:

http://max45.250free.com/Image4.jpg

[Marco]

Now that i see these nice castle pictures reminds me of something i noticed with the mod when assaulting forts. I find that the archery towers or whatever it is that fires arrows have an amazing reach/range and however far back i place my army the arrows always reach them. I hope someone looks into this as assaulting forts isnt much fun as I have to hide most my army and send in my units one at a time to minimise damage. (On a positive note - I always try and kill and take everyone prisoner when I know there is a fort in the province. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ) Also some forts are unfallable due to siege, what is the criteria for this please?

[Mummer]

I know the larger the fort, the longer it takes to siege, and the smaller the garrison, the longer they will hold out... more food to go around, I would assume.

[Antalis::]

Its because some of the arrowtowers are on a hill (the acroplolis), so theire range is wider.

Problem is that the arrowtowers on the foot of the hill would also be affected in makeing them lesser range, and they will shot then not very wide.


Best would be to place your troops a bit more away from the castle in the deployment and only your attacking units in front near the castles. That should work, if you place them far eway in the beginning of a battle.

If its a small castle-map (but there are I guess only 1) then attack as quick as possible.


Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

[Antalis::]

@flip or kom:

I know we talked about chariots: Someone in the totalwar.com forum asked me, if there will be chariots for the Bronce Age.
So will they be developed?

[komninos]

Hi Anatlis,

The answer her is we have to
I would like to be the first to fully incorporate a chariot in the TW and flip I think will find it very challenging to do so. I have also contacted the Lords about it and I have received some interest from them too. Now there is not definite date for its appearance but it is planed in all other aspects. So design work has to me done. The other problem is that TW engine does not support something like chariot but it works nice as I have tried to do it ... you will see chariot units in the Bronze Age HTW and there are in Trojan war mod.

So YES ... but when it is something we have not yet set.

[Antalis::]

That´s good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[flip]

Now I'm in a deadend.
My unit new bif its almost ready

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/bif.jpg

But we need a sort of SPM for weapons. You may build good units, in game, if you dont have correct coordinates for weapons, your job will be a lost. Help

[Antalis::]

If anyone is good in defining weaponcoordinates, we would be pleased if you could help a bit.

So if you are and want to help, please contact komninos or flip.


thank you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Antalis::]

It would be so wonderful to use music of Conan and Gladiator and such movies for HTW, but the copyright... .

But, if you have these music at home then use them for it, it is wonderful with the mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-builder.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom,are you going to make the unit animations for the site or do you want me to look into it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
Zimoa

[flip]

DA_Hoplite, with default actions (walk,run,charge,fight-spear,stand,die), with reorientation, or just by remove a shield, we can get one more.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/DA_hoplite.gif

I'm just finishing Actions coordinates. But we'll need soon the inexistent WPM ( weapon position modder ) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h18.jpg

[komninos]

Antalis and Zimoa I have mailed you about those things ... but give me some time ... I am going to spend this weekend in the company working so ... things are freaky at the moment.

Flip, I love your work I have sent you a frame with the new shields and weapons in it. You can delete two shields in there The one that looks like a cat out hoplon and the Mycenaean one from bulls hide.

[Sir Moody]

great work guyz :D

sorry ive been hit by the dreaded coursework bug so i havent done much in a while ill get back to it this weekend

[youone]

komninos
and any one who want's to give this great mod a great opening I'e beem toying with the intro movie in metw and with the help of NagatsukaShumi found some movies of actual game play in mpeg format
at 3dgamers.com one with greeks in so if you want a different intro try it.
Does anyone want to try a online game I'll be away 4 a few days but would like to try a game on line if your interested drop me a mail at Youone@aol.com and we will sort it out

[Antalis::]

Another castle:

http://max45.250free.com/castlehilly02_4_1nr5.jpg

[flip]

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h19.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h20.jpg
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Antalis::]

A new pic of a landscape:

http://max45.250free.com/new6.jpg

[flip]

Ok, there's a new Bif reader version in the beta downloads, it works shields and weapons positions. Testing it. It loads default actions, but extra actions as "charge" are ignored.
TEST_readbif23a.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_readbif23a.zip)

In win XP, there are some error messages, but it loads the files bypassing it.

[komninos]

Hi flip,

I have ... finally got my mail at home. I have seen your unit and it is very nice I will try to get it back to you with the shields and all the space you need. I also have an idea. To make one of the shield images the inner part of the shield. Those when viewed behind the hoplite the inner shield will be viewed. The hoplites will have both bat for the frames the inner part is seen the outer part will be shrinked to a single pixel.

I have also used the new bif reader ... though it does not produce some of the conditions i.e. I see the charge but not the stand it is very nice ... rebuilt the walk function very nicely. The good thing with the hoplites is you have to make the coordinates only once for all of them ;)

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif Our website couldn't be reached for a day or two,this is because of the immense popularity exceeding 250+ visits every dayThis problem is solved but at this rate i forecast further upgrading in the future.Will monitor this closely so if you can't reach the site just have a little patience and try it again later,for now there are no problems anymore. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Zimoa

[Antalis::]

I´ve also posted that at the story section (best screenshots thread):



ATHEN vs SPARTA:


Time frame: Geometric Age.

Opponents: Athen against Sparta.

Units: Enomotia Holiton, Polemiste and Cretan Archers.

Location: A forrest near a big mountain:

Athen attacks the hill, Sparta defends it:


"Hold the hill"

http://max45.250free.com/screenshot1.jpg


"ATTACK"

http://max45.250free.com/screenshot2.jpg


"Defend the hill, the day of glory is near"

http://max45.250free.com/screenshot3.jpg


"Polemiste, do your job"

http://max45.250free.com/screenshot45.jpg


"Look behind your back, guys"

http://max45.250free.com/screenshot4.jpg


All is lost

http://max45.250free.com/screenshot5.jpg

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

HEllo,
I love the screens on PG 35 or 34
Where CAn I get Trojan mod or some screens please

SIR ZACK DE CALDICOT http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif

[Welsh Dragon]

Hi,

I downloaded this Mod, and I've followed the install instructions. I get into the game, chose New Campaign, then the first of the New Era's (sorry I can't remember the name). I choose a faction and it goes to the loading screen, but I get an error message.

Initmainmap
Unknown error (0) (00000000)

From there if I press escape I get to the pause menu, but if I press resume game it crashes completely.

Any suggestions on how to fix this please? I'm really looking forward to playing this Mod, so any help to get it to run would really be appreciated.

Thanks

[Antalis::]

Welcome to the forum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


You havn´t installed the campaignmap right: I guess you havn´t used Irfan View for converting the jpgs into tga.
You have used another graphic software for converting, right? But not every graphic software can convert it correct.
Thats the reason, why we say, that everyone should use Irfan View.

[Welsh Dragon]

Welcome to the forum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Thanks, I'm glad to be here:)

You havn´t installed the campaignmap right: I guess you havn´t used Irfan View for converting the jpgs into tga.
You have used another graphic software for converting, right? But not every graphic software can convert it correct.
Thats the reason, why we say, that everyone should use Irfan View.

Thats exactly what I did. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif , I figured Paintshop Pro would work just as well. Teaches me for not reading ALL the instructions before install. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Okay, now I'll go and follow ALL the instructions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif

Thanks Again

[Welsh Dragon]

Thankyou very much Antalis, thats solved the problem, so I can now see the Greecian map in all its glory.

Thanks again.

[Rossman]

I've been trying to run the Hellenic Tw Mod, but continue to get an error message when I try to run the program. First, I cant open the game from the MTW-VI shortcut on my desktop, so I have to use the basic MTW icon within the program files. Secondly, when I do rum the program, I get the message- "Unknown faction specified: column 20, row 8 EGYPTIAN" I have no clue what this means other than it wont let me start the game. Im pretty sure I followed the install instruction correctly, so any feedback would be appreciated. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[Viking_Anders]

I welcome all admirers mod HTW I here am for the first time.

Hi zimoa
Your site has liked. Fine work. I have loaded all files for installation a fashion. And file CTD Patch is impossible скачать as it(he) is on www. 250Free_com. On this site access for Russia and other countries is closed. Such message is given:

Forbidden Due to an inordinate amount of abuse, visitors to this free account from your region or country have been restricted.

The following countries may not sign-up for a free membership:
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belarus
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and
Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Central African
Republic
Chad
China
Comoros
Congo
Costa Rica
Cote d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Cyprus
CzechRepublic
Djibouti
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
French Guyana
French Polynesia
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Ghana
Gibraltar
Guatemala
Guernsey
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Hong Kong
Hungary
India
Indonesia
East Timor
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
North Korea
South Korea
Turkey
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Lithuania
Macao
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Mongolia
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Niue
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palestinian
Paraguay
Philippines
Poland
Qatar
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Western Sahara
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Somalia
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Turks and Caicos
Islands
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Vietnam
Western Sahara
Yemen
Yugoslavia
Zambia
Zimbabwe

In that case to load this file it is not possible not only me, but also other users. It is possible, what it is meaningful to not place files on this site? Other files everyone are loaded perfectly. And how I can receive file CTD Patch?
Thanks for the help beforehand.

[Antalis::]

komninos or zimoa:

Please can you host the patch?
CTD patch (http://max45.250free.com/HTW-beta_patch2.zip)

[komninos]

OK,

The patch is in the HTW donload site.
The CTD Patch (http://www.original21paris.com/timos/HTW-beta_patch2.zip)

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom,Antalis changed the link on the site for the CTD-patch
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif Zimoa

[Antalis::]

That´s good. Thank you both http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[flip]

Good news from the new version of Bif reader 2.3a.
After some testings, its beta and may cause troubles in XP, I'm finally got on changing all weapons and shields positions for the new units. So, no more flying spears around soldiers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Komninos, after finished firsts units I'll send you a pack for testing.

[Viking_Anders]

Hello, komninos, Antalis, zimoa
Thanks for care. I did not expect such the fast response. Perfectly CTD-patch it was successfully loaded. Thanks all of you once again for efficiency

[flip]

work in progress with BifReader 2.3a

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/bifR.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/bifR2.jpg

PS: waw, we have dictionary (SpelChek) for posts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Rossman]

I managed to get the MOD installed so that MTW now runs as HTW, but when I'm in the select faction menu and try to begin a campaign, I recieve an error message, "cant find image campmap\event_panel.bif" then another follows saying, "unknown error. (0)(0000000)" Anyone know what that means? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[flip]

Hi Rossman,
"event_panel.bif" is not a file included in the HTW install.
So, check your installation procedure of MTW, remember you must have Viking Invasion ad on.

[Rossman]

I finally got HTW to run and it looks beautiful. Job well done to the developers. Ive been waiting a long time for a Greek era strategy war game and I love the HTW mod. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[flip]

weapons positions corrected for new CL_Hoplite and DA_Hoplite

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/position1.jpg

shields positions corrected

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/position2.jpg

[Antalis::]

HTW is not only present in this forum/thread and at our website: I´ve collected some links to other forums and threads, websites http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif :



totalwar.com:
totalwar.com (http://pub133.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm9.showMessageRange?topicID=451.topic&start=41&stop=46)

TotalWarCenter:
TWC (http://www.legiontotalwar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1879&st=60&#entry27177)

Forum Activision (german)
Activision (http://www.activision.de/new_forum/index.php?act=ST&f=14&t=1164&st=30&#entry27629)

Totalwars.net
totalwars.net (http://totalwars.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1865)

And here are also many informations about HTW:
LORE: Lords of Rome (http://movieslore.topcities.com/mods/htw.html)

GameUp-forum (german):
game-up (http://www.mdg-foren.de/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=44;t=4651;st=40)


If you also have a link to a forum/thread/website, then post it please. I´m just curious. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

[Mummer]

Thank you for taking the time to fix the shield and weapon positions It was my only complaint, that I didn't bother complaining about since I can deal with it, but with that fixed, this Mod won't seem like a Mod at all, but like a completely new game You guys are doing a great job, and I hope this mod wins some sort of award, or a mention in a really big PC magazine, or something

[Welsh Dragon]

I'll echo that statement. This is like a whole new game, the Hopalites are fantastic, they just keep on marching forward whatever gets thrown at them.

Thankyou everyone who made this MOD, its great.

[ElementUK]

Hi guys
new to the Hellenic mod and i was wondering why the startpos file is passwored as it recommends DL'ing it.

[Antalis::]

hi ElementUK, welcome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


It isn´t password protected.

I guess you´re using a downloadmanager?: Maybe this dlmanager is the problem.
Disable it and try again.

[ElementUK]

Cheers simple when u know how eh lol.

[ElementUK]

Ermmmm, i have never used a proggy like irfan viw b4. I copied the 2 jpg files across to the left side in the list. I chose TGA as a format for 'Batch Conversion'.....and pressed start ( destination same folder as well...but no map change. Plus i still get the Bilding piccy errors. Help...lol program using noob

[ElementUK]

Ermmmm, i have never used a proggy like irfan viw b4. I copied the 2 jpg files across to the left side in the list. I chose TGA as a format for 'Batch Conversion'.....and pressed start ( destination same folder as well...but no map change. Plus i still get the Bilding piccy errors. Help...lol program using noob
The 2 files are still jpg:-(

[ElementUK]

sorry ppl about the double post...miss the ability to edit your own posts. Got the map converted, now i just get the building error messages nearly every rnd. Royal palace bla bla catholic bla bla. would appreciate help then i wont have to annoy u all by posting again. hehe

[Antalis::]

Are you sure, that you have installed the "startpos fix" to the right place?

You get with it 3 files: "Hellenic_DA, Hellenic_PCL, Hellenic_CL": Put them into your "campmap/startpos"-folder.

Than this error should not be there anymore.

[pyj99]

Hi folks,

Working on the Me:TW mod, I have modified the SPM program by Wellington to use weapons coordinates. Do you still need it, if so I can mail it, or do you just use Bifreader23a now?

regards,

PYJ99

[flip]

pyj99, welcome, I would like to give it a try.Can you send it to me?

[pyj99]

You can download it here WePM (http://mapage.noos.fr/metw/WePM.zip)

It is provided as it is with no documentation. In effect it works just as SPM but with weapon coordinates. If you need info on how weapon coordinates work there is a guide in this forum which explains it all.

I hope this will help.

Regards,

PYJ

[flip]

Ok, soon, new units with corrected shields and weapons.
2 new bifs with komninos shields, will cover, HTW compatible:

JANNI slot -
Argian Hoplites
Athenian Hoplites
Classical Hoplites


CUSTOM 1 slot -
Later Hoplites
Dark Age Hoplites
Polemistes

New actions pages TXTs, new weapons and shields coordinates TXTs.
Next projects - Bronze Age units, and...
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif an ancient chariot.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h21.jpg

[flip]

Ok, soon, new units with corrected shields and weapons.
2 new bifs with komninos shields, will cover, HTW compatible:

JANNI slot -
Argian Hoplites
Athenian Hoplites
Classical Hoplites


CUSTOM 1 slot -
Later Hoplites
Dark Age Hoplites
Polemistes

New actions pages TXTs, new weapons and shields coordinates TXTs.
Next projects - Bronze Age units, and...
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif an ancient chariot.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h21.jpg

[Sir Moody]

/bows down to flips mighty skills

[ElementUK]

Done that Antalis. Even tried copying them over manually to make sure but to no avail. Still unplayable without alot of alt tabbing to get rid of the error messages.

[Lord Bloodygore]

Hello, I downloaded the beta, and I was blown away. Just as Nap, this mod rocks. You guys(HTW Team) have done a great job Love the new campmap. Keep up the great work guys, cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif


Regards LBG http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (ElementUK @ Jan. 26 2004,19:20)]Done that Antalis. Even tried copying them over manually to make sure but to no avail. Still unplayable without alot of alt tabbing to get rid of the error messages.
Hmm, if you really installed all things right, then this shouldn´t happen.

Maybe try to install MTW+VI and than HTW again, maybe it works.

or: maybe komninos or Sir Moody can help you, they are more experts then I in startpos and buildingsprod things.

[Sir Moody]

yes ant's right i know the problem - element i have your MSM (i belive from my Nap period) i have a more updated startpos (ie the one i use :p) ill send it to you when your next on

[Antalis::]

I´m sorry that you cannot see my posted images anymore, but my site has reached its bandwidgh limit.
So wait a bit (do´n´t know exactly when) to see them again.

[flip]

2 pics. A hero combat while others waiting. Back view of a phalanx attack.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h22.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h23.jpg

[Rossman]

This might sound kinda silly, but where do I go to get upgrades for the HTW mod? All I see at the main download site are the 4 main downloads/patches. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif All you see here are pics and info of the ongoing work on this mod,when a new update/patch or new version is ready for public release ASAP will it be on the site.For now just a little more patience,a lot of progress is being made but modding takes time.
Zimoa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,

It has been a hell week ... so sorry for not getting back to you all but I barely had time to sleep. And for what things look we will continue on the same pace till the elections :( and then I know that most of this work will be canceled by the government and all will be in vain http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

Any way,
There is a new update coming soon ... it will have less trouble in the installation since much of the stuff that caused the problems are cleared. Though you might still need the CTD patch since I can’t understand why this happens. It will have three new periods in it for you to try Bronze Age HTW, Peloponnesian war, Rise of Macedon.
I will try to put in the Roman Conquest that closes the triplet of the later periods but I will need some major changes and still causes some CTDs due to the small number of factions plus new shields will be needed too.

Flip,
Nice pics ... though I have been working to get the coordinates for DJs unit bifs. Till now I have done the Walk / Run. Charge and Standing will not be that difficult to do but fighting and dieing will take some time. Once the DJs Hoplite is OK I will have to do the Peltast with crescent and elliptical shield and then the two cavalry units. I still have not worked with the unit BIF you sent me but I plan on doing it this week end. I will produce two units out of it one for Dark age / Geometrical and one for Mycenaean and late Mycenaean.

Antalis,
I will get your final maps this weekend so if you have any additions / fixes to make just be sure they get in. One more thing for the mountain maps, Greek mountains don’t have nice slopes but they make gorges and in general no army can fight in them.
So mountain battles took places either in a small flat land or mountain passes. These are small passes that can be guarded by very few men. Battles in these passages are more or less like MTW river battles. High cliffs are all around and they lead you to a small passage 2 or 3 units wide. Something like that might be nice to include.
Liked you mountain river maps.
I have also seen that you are the initiator of a number of threads all around spreading the HTW mod. Great work. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Zimoa,
I will try to get the units ready for you. They will not move but rather stand. I will expand the existing description too. Just one thing give me some time with them things have stopped for a week now and I spent all weekend at work so all went to a halt. The good news is that the new bif reader is excellent so shield / weapon placement will not take much time ~ a days work per unit. This means that by the end of the weekend I might have all hoplites and Peltast units ready.

To all who have problems with installation,
It is always better to start at a fresh directory, just make a copy of your MTW dir in to Ancient-TW or HTW nice all the things that will come out of my work will be from 2000BC till the Romans and will be compatible.
Do not dump the files in the directory or try to do it your self There are ~3000 files in the ZIP and it takes me ~3houres to make the thing. Use the extract command then choose all files and your new MTW dir.
When that is done use ACDSee or IrfanView to change the JPGs images of the map to TGAs DO NOT USE PSP FOR THE CONVERSION
Then apply the patches you can find from Antalis and Sir Moody. Remember this is still a beta (as all or most mods so patches are a must).
Finally play at Normal size cause units are >100 and some times close to 200.
You will have to forgive me for being “Non user friendly” my first computer is nearly 20 years old 8bit ZX Spectrum based on Z80. So I can’t get in your boots that easily.

Cheers

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom,i asked for links or started forums on the Org,Total War,Total Wars.net,Legion Total War,The Lordz most of them are up and we really owe Antalis a lot because he tries to answer as many answers as possible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif ,i try to follow them if i can but i don't aways have the time because of my profession.Don't worry about the units it will be a nice addition to the site but take all the time you need,there is really a huge increase in interest for the Mod and HTW deserves it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif When the update/units are ready just let me know in advance so i have some time to prep the site,i'll expect a lot of visitors(easily going to 5000 now) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif I have an idea what is causing the ctd's when it happens during the end-turn,think it is because your units extend more then +100 units and when game options are set on large or huge this will crash the game,you probably know this already but it is important that people play this mod on default unit size.
Zimoa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

[Antalis::]

Yeah, zimoa started many threads in different forums http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif , (I started two in german forums) and we both tried to answer all the questions there.


btw: I have made two new mountainmaps: A mountain pass and a gorge map.

[GreasePaintMonkeyBrains]

Aside from my modding i have been playing your mod it is fantastic. This is one of my favorite peroiods and you
have done it justice.

Cheers
GPMB

[ElementUK]

Question: Where the heck is the Control Panel to remove yourself from a thread plz anyone.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif The site of HTW will shut down this weekend probably for a couple of days,due to maintenance try it again next week.
Zimoa

[flip]

Good news.
RSW bifreader2.3b is out with a bug corrected.
Test ReadBif23b (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_readbif23b.zip)

[Antalis::]

So map nr. 100 is finished http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

I made one new mountaincoastalmap and adapted my cityfight map to HTW.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Site is up again
Zimoa http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Antalis::]

@Rosacrux:

Can you give us an update about the faction-descriptions work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .


It would be great, if they would find theire way into the new beta, which will released soon I guess .


@zimoa:

Thats wonderful http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Rosacrux]

well, I have gathered some data but I haven't actually started the writing, because I got overwhelmed by work in the past few days. I won't be able to do much during the weekend, but probably I'll manage to pull out three or four.

Probably the Beta will have only those, I will provide all needed descriptions for the final version though... hopefully http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

Yes, make quality, not quantity http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Take as much time as you need to make the faction desciptions.


Antalis

[Antalis::]

Someone in a german forum asked, why the Persians build very, very many Horse Archers.

Is this already fixed in the new beta?

@flip:

Are you working on roman units too?

[flip]

Antalis,

For the moment no. But there is at least one roman unit that komninos asked. I'gonna build a new site where I'll put new units and other graphics. People will be able to get them and if they like, install it over HTW. This is because units are hard to build. We cant delay the upgrades of HTW because of that.

komninos, what do you think?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif There is a addition of a page dedicated to The Greek,Persian and Macedonian units.Later on animations and unit descriptions of actual in-game units will be implemented this work is still in progress.
CZoF

[komninos]

Hi all,

I have finely managed to get all the Hoplites shields and weapons ready so now they don’t have floating stuff around them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The good news is that some of the stuff made for hoplites work with the light (Peltast type) units so they will be easily made. I will fix the Polemiste unit too that use a sword
I will then go and patch up the work done till now for the new triplet so you can have that least the Peloponnesian War and Rise of Macedon campaigns.

Filp,
Yes ... I agree though these units BIFs have to be in sync I will try to get the stuff I promised you ... this weekend
BTW. Since your Dark Age units follow that little picture I sent you some time ago ... they are more of a "Royal" type of unit ... can you give them a more modest plum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif please. We can use these for Myrmidons or some high units of the late Bronze Age.

Antalis,
The problem with the overwhelming light horse units is being addressed hopefully we will find a solution to it ... same thing happens with the Thessalians and Macedonians in Dark Age.

Rosacrux,
Nice to see you around ... it would be great if we could have those descriptions.

BTW.
Is there anyone that would like to deal with the animations?? His work will be to put all the weapons in the right place for the units. It is a really hectic thing so think about it. I would like to lighten up flip from this so he can get the BIFs we need. From my experience with the new tool it takes you about 2 – 3 days to get one unit done The good news is that there is a lot of reusability here ... ie all hoplite units use the same coordinates. The good part will be that you will get to see the results fast.

[flip]

Komninos, any room for a Yficratian/Later Hoplite? They're ready with a type of right arm charge/fight adapted for a long spear.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h24.jpg

[komninos]

Hi flip,

Yes there is space for them ... but make the figh and charge action with a low grip. The spear is a 4.5m pike for them. I will also try to send you a frame from them too.

[CarolusXII]

I've successfully installed HTW (It looks marvellous. However, when I get to the installation of the "startpos fix", it all becomes greek to me (pardon my pun). The result is that I choose to play as Athens and my opening position is the Italian penninsula and I have ships on dry land, etc. I have copied all three files to the"campaign startpos" folder.........then I am stuck. I can't even find "textures/campaign/hellenic" and I haven't a clue as how to convert "mapTex.jpg" and Tex2.jpg to TGA format. I don't even know what you mean. I installed IrFanview but haven't got a clue as how to use it.
Could someone take me by the hand and walk with me? I have WinXP.

[Antalis::]

No problem:


Go into your HTW maindirectory: Open the "Textures" - folder, than open in in this folder the "campmap" folder, than in it the "Hellenic" folder.

In this Hellenic folder are two images in jpg-format.You must convert them with IrfanView to TGA-format:
Open the "MapTex.jpg" with IrfanView and go there to the "File" section, choose there "save as" and choose than there "TGA - Truevision Targa".
Now use as installations path (where your tga than is) the same folder (Textures/campmap/Hellenic-folder) and save it.

Make the same with "MapTex2".

[Mummer]

Have you thought about making a later peltast also? I'm assuming one of you has the book "Warfare in the Classical World." since several of the illustrations in this book are in the game, and the book describes Peltasts around the time of Alexander as having:

-Reasonable helmets.
-A longer spear along with his javelins to enable him to better defend himself.
-Some body armor.
-A larger oval shield, that could be made of hide-covered wood.

The peltasts seem to be heavier, but a more able group of light infantry. I don't really even want to see them in the game, I'm just throwing some suggestions out there.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Made some changes to the site,i hope you all like it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Zimoa

[CarolusXII]

Antalis...........I'M OK NOW Between you and some help at .com, I've got it all under control. Thanks a lot for the quick response, and I've gotta' tell ya', HTW looks like a whole new game. Wotta' labor of love. Nothin' cooler than hoplite warfare.
I haven't played MTW in 4 or 5 months. It looks like I'm now right back into it.

[Tommy1950]

Quote[/b] (Antalis:: @ Dec. 23 2003,09:50)]Hi: At the moment I´m working on some historical battles: Quite ready are Issus, Marathon, Plataeae and Chaironeia.

Gaugamela is in work too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wacko.gif
Antalis:

Thanks.... for a great MTW MOD. I like to create Historical Battles also and have done so for both regular MTW and King David's Patrician MOD (they are posted on wargamer.com). However - when I try to do so for your Hellenic MOD - I am having problems. The BDF is OK it works and shows up OK in the Historical Battles slot. However, the units portraits (Later_Hoplites etc.) that I specify in the appropriate ADF DO NOT display in the appropriate UNIT slot - NO unit portraits are displayed at all. If I click on fight battle - I crash to the desktop.
I am running Hellenic MOD ver 2.01 and have applied the STARTPOS batch and SMALLPATCH fixes found on your Helenic website.

Please - any information you might have to stear me towards a solution would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Tom Sims

[flip]

komninos,
I had indeed made the Yficratian hoplites with charge, fight low grip. I'll, send you the bif today. Actions page coordinates same as CL_Hoplite. Just readjust weapon positions. I may do that if you're have'nt time.

For the DA_ Unit I'll try to raze the plumes manually in the bif and see what gives.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Tommy1950 @ Jan. 31 2004,12:51)]
Zitat[/b] (Antalis:: @ Dec. 23 2003,09:50)]Hi: At the moment I´m working on some historical battles: Quite ready are Issus, Marathon, Plataeae and Chaironeia.

Gaugamela is in work too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wacko.gif
Antalis:

Thanks.... for a great MTW MOD. I like to create Historical Battles also and have done so for both regular MTW and King David's Patrician MOD (they are posted on wargamer.com). However - when I try to do so for your Hellenic MOD - I am having problems. The BDF is OK it works and shows up OK in the Historical Battles slot. However, the units portraits (Later_Hoplites etc.) that I specify in the appropriate ADF DO NOT display in the appropriate UNIT slot - NO unit portraits are displayed at all. If I click on fight battle - I crash to the desktop.
I am running Hellenic MOD ver 2.01 and have applied the STARTPOS batch and SMALLPATCH fixes found on your Helenic website.

Please - any information you might have to stear me towards a solution would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Tom Sims
I guess you meant unit icons with portraits, right?


It has definitly nothing to do with missing unit icons in the preview-screen of a historical battle (had that several times, don´t know why this happens).

I guess you have written an unit-name wrong (one letter is enough).

Use the gnome editor and check, if every unit is spelled right.

Or you have given to many men to the units (I guess 200? is the limit).



btw: kom:

Can you send me the macedonian units (also the unitprod), so that I can work on, on the historical battles?