The Megapolis

[Antalis::]

This map is very difficult to win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .
Only one way up to the hill:


http://max45.250free.com/hillycoastal28.jpg

[flip]

Kom, lets rework the hoplites sets?

http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Units/h41.jpg

http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Units/h42.jpg

[Antalis::]

Here is a combilation of the two patches for HTW beta v21:

It contains the startpos fix and the small patch in one file.
Installation is simple: Extract it to your HTW directory, if you don´t have already this two patches:


You can get it now on the Mizus server and later also on 3D downloads with this link (thank you Tosa for hosting it):
patch combilation for HTW v21 (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/MTW/Stats/HTWv21_patch_combilation.rar)


@flip:

Well, since I have WinXp I cannot see any of your screenshots.
I guess I´m the only one here.
And now I cannot even download them anymore.

Has anyone a tipp what can cause this problem?


Antalis

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

I have the same problem Flip i didn't see any of your new screenshots,for which i ame very sorry

@Antalis
I will change the download section on the site for the combined patches.

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CZoF

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Count Zimoa of Flanders @ Mär. 20 2004,01:35)]@Antalis
I will change the download section on the site for the combined patches.

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CZoF


Thats good, thank you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

This Might be a solution for Implementing the War Elephants, for which I'm very sorry for the fact they will not be In the next release http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

I believe that Metal storm did this to his war Elephant to make it big; When defining Unit type select Infantry, Or more accurately Cavalry and then you have the option of selecting the size. Just do you normal sized graphic and Animation and then just Size it up This may not work having never attemted it. Maybe Duke John can give us some insight?

Helpful Info by Barocca (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=11805;hl=chariots)

[[DnC]]

At the moment I'm playing as the Athenians and it looks very dire. Most enjoyable.

Just had one battle with 1600+ men of my own versus some 3500+ Persians. Mostly Prsian Horse Archers (~:p yeah that needs fixing mates, but you are mostlikely already long aware of it), WOW

I started off great. Seeing them having most of all skirmishers on foot and horseback I decided to deploy my army as close by and as wide as possible as I could.
The battle started and I moved my entire army forwards.

////Deployment of my army\\\\

EH-EH-AEH-AEH-AEH-AEH-AEH-AEH-AEH

EE AEH*G-Peltasts-Peltasts-Peltasts
Hippies-Hippies


EE = Enomotia Ekdromon
EH = Enomotia Hopliton
AEH = Athenian Enomotia Hopliton
AEH*G = General AEH unit.

////Deployment of my army\\\\

The Persians were deployed quite close together in marching column and I took advantage of that.
My army got in close with the Persians and they reacted by sending the main bulk of their army to my center and the fighting began.

As my center army was holding the enemy at their bay, my infantry on the flanks marched to the sides of the large block of enemy units and within moments surrounded the largest part of their army and butchering beyond believe.

In the meanwhile my Hippies were destroying the Persian Horse Archers with some assistance of one AEH unit.

All this time I held my general unit plus the peltasts back and just let the rest finish the Persians off.

When most of their first army was destroyed reinforcements came. This time largely Persian Horse Archers and some Lydian Heavy Cavalry.

Foolishly and far to overconfident, after reforming my lines (note: my only unit of Enomotia Ekdromon attacked those troops on horseback to delay their advance so my army could reform), I sent my army a way they shouldn't have gone to. My hippies suddenly had to held out a couple of Lydian Heavy Cavalry (and doing far better then I imagined they would - both were down to almost half their strength). I had sent one unit of AEH to help them out to hold that line a little longer. The rest of my army went to attack some other PHA units. I was able to corner certain PHA units and slaughter them, but seeing the overwhelming number of those Persian Horse Archers I decided to retreat to a forest somewhere on the other side of the battlefield and sit out the time. I lost all three peltasts units in that retreat (could have retreated by protecting them, but then more of my most precious hoplites would have died). And suffered about a +-100 more cassualties sitting it out in the forest.

But I won Maybe a bit as a coward, but that didn't matter http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif Just had to tell this story http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

PS. Won two other battles aswell and have to fight a battle with 332 men against some 1700~1800 rebels next year. Gonna be hard I think.

PPS. I changed the cost of all the ships to make certain they wouldn't be build en masse anymore. Also made it so that all ships that were buildable in 1 year now cost 2 years to be build.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Great feedback,thank you
I,me sure Komninos will take these remarks into account,if he hasn't changed them already....

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[flip]

As I can see I'm not the only one with problems in posting images here.
My servers are having problems. Changed again my links. Can you guys see now my last pics? Thanks.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

I can see them now Flip great

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[Antalis::]

@flip:

Now it works perfectly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think you shoud make the helmet brushes a bit shorter at the front in my opinion.


greetings:

Antalis

[komninos]

Hi all,

Flip those Hoplites are really great ... hope they use the same coordinates case I am still building the Eastern type ones .... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Just remember to make them bearded and long haired

Antalis I remember that map ... now it is a bit more open very nice. I will try to test the Delphi map today.

[DnC] and insolent1, Thanks for the feed back. The problem with the horses and ships is practically solved ... I hope I have not over done it. But I can release it since many things have changed over the passed months so my file would be incompatible with the rest of the game ... you will have to wait for that till the next big release.

Sorry

[[DnC]]

Hehe no problem, just wanted to tell what a great battle I had :)

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

If you have another feel free to post them

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[Antalis::]

Hi zimoa:


I guess I can send you the screenshots in about a week or so, not earlier, sorry.
I have much to do in betatesting my maps and making them as good as possible.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

No problem M8 the same to Flip or Komninos,no hurry really
I only would like to use exclusive and smashing screenshots for the site and not the ones who are posted here so i need to get some.But i trust you will all sent me some in time.

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[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Another question , This time for komninos. Where can I download your Trojan mod, or should I just wait until the Bronze age of H-TW? Again, Thanking you guys out there who made this mod possible, Like Flips great and amazing units, Antalis Maps and all the rest who I forgot http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Look for it in this list but i don't know if it is compatible with HTW anymore.

Second Server of the Org (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/Mstats.shtml)

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[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

I'm not Intending to put them together, separte installations on different commputers. ( I have M-TW VI on two commputers, both with high speed internet, lucky me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Lucky you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

CZoF

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Plus I have one or two extra Installations on each. However, I have HTW and NTW occupying two spots

[Scipio]

Good to see you guys have put up the ptaches for dl again. I will be uploading it to Totalrome.com soon I think I will wait for your next versian of mtw too upload if that is alright http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

I use six installations of MTW:VI myself some to play various MOD's some for testing.

CZoF

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Scipio,
the next version will take some more time so if you could upload the HTW v2.1 Beta and the patch i would appreciate it...

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[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Antalis what do you think of the new Logo it is a design of Kom?

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[thirchak18]

Hey where are the persions. I started off as the spartans on the earliest campaigns, and its 418 and the persion havent' popped up yet. I'm only asking cause hte phrigians overran the ligians way long ago, and they have a crap load of troops, i'm constantly declaring war with them just to destroy their navy so they can't escape from asia minor. And i have to cause if i don't they can put so many troops on the mainland that they could overrun greece with no trouble. I'm waitin for the persians to pop up so i can invade asia minor after the phrigians repel the persians.

Oh and i love the Spartan hoplites. Regardless of the fact that they're expensive as hell and take 4 turns to make, they completely worth it. I was in debt for close to 50 years after a was witht he Athenians, phrigians, Thessilians and Poenions ALL AT ONCE. My navy and the few Spartan hoplites and regular hoplites i had were the only things that kept me from being overrun. And let me tell you 50 year of -150,000, no building, and no new troops sucks royally. But it was worth it :)

[Julius Caesar]

I think the Persians are only in the Classical Era.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Correct the Persians are only in the late or Classical period.The don't appear suddently as the Mongols because this is hardcoded and cannot be realized within the MTW engine.

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[[DnC]]

Citaat[/b] (Count Zimoa of Flanders @ Mar. 20 2004,12:36)]If you have another feel free to post them

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
My Athenian campaign is looking a lot better now.
At one point almost the entire lands of Asia Minor rebelled (Civil war most likely) against their Persian masters (when quiting the game I had taken a look at the map by using the .matteosartori. cheatcode - I just really like to see how the AI is doing every and again). The Persians are getting back in control, but not without rebellions almost every turn on their coastal areas (that I can see), eventhough they have stationed about 1500 men in a province, they still have near zero loyalty on the lowest taxes. The Persians also suffer attacks from certain greek citystates, mainly the Argians.

I had a negative income for quite sometime during this war with the Persians, but due to plentyful gold in my treasury I could survive more than long enough to retake the seas from the Persians.

The Persians' large fleet has succumbed to the might of Athens

I wonder whether the Persians will be able to recover from this disaster that bestoyed upon them.
Heh.. they asked for it themselfs http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

By the way I also just noticed yesterday that the rebel only units were given a really high supportcost (to make the rebels less strong? Just decided to mention it while I was posting this continuation of my campaign. Could have been mentioned a long time ago, so no real need to answer this if it has already been mentioned considering this version has been out for quite some time). Which can really devastate the economies of the AI factions when they bribe them

Oh yeah, almost forgot. The battle of 332 men versus some 1700~1800 rebels was won. Actually I had the number of my men wrong. Forgot the ones in the castle. The total number of men was actually near 450 men.
I won the battle because the Persians joined the battlefield and took the fight first to the rebels. Eventhough the Persians lost their general first, they still defeated the rebels of which their general died only minutes after the death of the Persian general. Then it was just me waiting it out in the forest. The only battle that was fought was between my Hippies Akontistes against two Persian Horse Archers units that were driven off the battlefield. The Persians decided to skirmish in the woods rather then attack me. So the time ran out and I won. I'm such a cowardly commander, éh? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Another battle with a small Athenian army was lost against again a much larger Persian force (again a forest fight). My forces just wouldn't stay in formation and engaged some Persian Cavalry that lured them out of their strongpoint. But that wasn't the blow that lost me the battle. I could have won if not for one unlucky missile projectile (have no idea who got him) struck down my general. My peltast unit immediatly got frightened by the loss of their general that I decided to retreat them off the map to make sure they wouldn't keep giving my other men a morale penalty (actually have no idea if withdrawing them statisticly had a worse impact then keeping them on the field).
It proved to be a big mistake as they could have been used to attack the flanking Persian cavalry on my right flank that came later on. The next year they assaulted the castle and taken my group of islands tied to this region (read: one islands province just right from Attika). They suffered heavy losses though and the year after it a loyalist rebellion occured which was defeated (one Hippies unit, argh - couldn't reinforce the island aswell) and the next turn a loyalist army of 3 skirmishers decided to attack. This time I could reinforce the area and defeated the remants of the once large Persian army that had taken over the few Athenian owned islands. I sent an emmisary to bribe the few Persians left in the castle and executed them promptly (read: disbanded them, but I like to think I'd just taken the Persian disgrace from Greek soil - staying in character mind you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif).

But nonetheless the Persian threat is over for now. Who knows what the near future will bring.
*hears evil laughter from far away*

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

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ZCoF

[insolent1]

The Argians in the Geometric period have been assigned a different cultures building. Its in Cynuria & I think its a royal court.
Where the Argians the first to use Hoplites? I ask becuase they get the DA_hoplite as their kings unit whereas all other greek state factions get Polmieste(sp).

DnC
Your Athenian campaign sounds very good, I had one that was quite similar. I even managed to sink all the Persian ships quickly & then put small fleets in the sea zones that their ports where in so I could sink their ships as soon as they build them(the AI seems to give up after you do this forawhile). This lead to all the other factions attacking the Persians but none of them have been able to hold on to a province for long. I invaded aswell but they moved 20+ stacks beside the province so I decided to abandon it since they where mostly horse archers & was not interested in sitting in woods for 4-5 hours.

[insolent1]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, I noticed that Komninos has made a lot of units scared of the Spartan Enomtia which I think is a great idea. Some other units have also been given this ability http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[[DnC]]

Insolent1,

That's EXACTLY what's happening in my campaign now Smaller factions attack the Persians, the Persians retreat and the next turn they come with masses of troops to reclaim what they've lost The other AI factions just seem to have no chance against these enormous Persian armies. But I'm about to change that right now;

I have sent two Athenian armies into Persian territory, namely Tauros and the coastal province right next Tauros to the left. My Athenian leaders influences throughout three or so decades has been very poor and if I want to change that I'll HAVE to start winning some more battles Don't want a civil war to errupt.

[insolent1]

DnC

I found Rodian Staff Slingers to be very effective against the Persian horse archers. They have good range but protect them as the HA's like to charge if they are unprotected. I also found Scythian Archers are very good against them as they 120 man unit & do quiet well against the HA in melee. I hired them so their upkeep was high but I used them as cannonfodder & there was always plenty available to hire later http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[[DnC]]

Thanks for the advice

When playing a couple of more turns I suddenly gotten the You have 20 turns left message and realised I couldn't win the campaign anymore (I thought the game ended after the year 600 AD, but it's 500. Obviously didn't remember it correctly), so I'm rushing through most of the years still left.

Stopped playing when the battle that I have to fight now appeared. Takes to long to play at this moment, so that's why. My army consists out of some 1600 men versus about 9000 Persians

[insolent1]

DnC

If you want to give yourself more time to complete the classical campaign you can edit the startpos file.
The only thing is you have to start over again. To change the file go to
medieval totalwar/campmap/startpos
Hellenic_CA.txt is the file(make a copy of it just in case http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )
Open the notepad & the 4th section down you will see a load of dates. The one your gonna change is SetGameEndDate:: change it to whatever you want example
SetGameEndDate:: 999
& play till you drop http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[[DnC]]

Yep, yep, I know that can be done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I might do that... Hmm.. Welllll actually I AM going to do that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But first I'm just going to finish this campaign.
I think there are still a couple of interesting battles instore for me.

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

I just love playing as the Greeks and Spartens. You've really done a great job In sparking my interest in this era of time. Before I played this mod the Hellenic era and the timeline for this mod were boring for me, prefering the Napoleonic and medieval ages, now, I'm reading many books on this time, well done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Good to see so many people enjoy it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[komninos]

OK.
I take a mental note here ... I will see what I can do with the time line and ages

Cheers

[Scipio]

Quote[/b] ]Scipio,
the next version will take some more time so if you could upload the HTW v2.1 Beta and the patch i would appreciate it...

Sorry I havent checked out the thread for a while I have just done a system restore so I will put the mod up immediatly when I get my ftp client back on my comp thanx


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[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Thanks M8 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

CZoF

P.S.Probably the end of April

[flip]

Update, Hoplites ready (new version, high res) Kom,the coordinates didn't changed much, just a few corrections

http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/h43.jpg

http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/h44.jpg

[flip]

Ok, one more, the hoplite LYDIANS , finally my beloved faction.

http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/h45.jpg

http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/h46.jpg

[neogerry]

very nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Scipio]

I don't get how you guys do it They look brilliant m8 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Antalis::]

Brilliant units flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


Antalis

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Really good looking Flip
What do you plan for my favourite faction the Macedons?I'me really looking forward to the Macedonian phalanx and Cavalry.

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[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Stunning Flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

CZoF

[Antalis::]

Wow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Brianbbj]

Are there soon going to unit and faction descriptions IN-GAME, and please give them some english names also, those old names i can understand, what faction is Spartan?

[Antalis::]

Faction descriptions will be ingame in the next update.

Sparta = Lacedemonians

[Subatai]

I got your mod installed successfully this weekend, and I must say, it's alot of fun. The only issue I'm having besides the occasional text error on build update screens is an error that happens on my home territory, which makes me hit enter to clear it.

The error is something like so and so file says this faction is catholic, cannot find file, using default image (there is a path statement). Thats not it exactly, but it's the only thing I'm seeing.

I've played the Spartans now to about 380 game time, Spartan Hoplites are unreal, I've taken about half the map and have yet to loose a single battle. I took on 3600 rebel troops in one fight with about 500 Hippies/cretan archers and 4 units of spartan hoplites, I lost 106 men and killed over 2000 (plus caputed the rest), hehe.

I can't wait to try the other factions, you guys get a big thumbs up on this mod, wonderful job by all involved. Keep up the good work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Brianbbj]

Hi Hellenic makers

Im enjoying your mod BUT i have a problem actually 2 problems.

first when i play Custom battles some of the units coast a -XXXX, which actually gives you money to have this unit.......will this be corrected?


2nd, what are the maximum unit size for the mod?
of should it just be played on default?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

The first problem is a bug we know and will be fixed with the new update.

Play on default or you will suffer from CTD's,in the next version this will not be a problem anymore.

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[Brianbbj]

Damn i can't wait for the update PLEASE HURRY

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Patience my friend http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif,somewhere around the end of April.

CZoF

[Brianbbj]

A MONTH HOW WILL I STAND ITARGH CAN'T BREATHE

Are there Romans in it then (pre marius)?

Keep up the good work

[Brianbbj]

Just another question for the H:TW

Is i choose to start a campaign in the Geometric(spelling?) age will the campaign mode into the Proclassic age when i player enough years, ie getting access to new units and such, and finaly moving into the classic age,
ie. like in the original game?

Or are the campaign time-freezed in a certain age/technology level?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

The Roman invasion will not be in the next update this will be added later.

Yes you will have progress from period to period and have new units.

CZoF

[flip]

Ok, here's the final shock heavy troops. This will be Sarissa and Macedonians, as Kom said, really heavy guys
The helmet is of Thracian type with Phrygian shape, very common in late Hellenistic era. Alexander's soldiers use it frequently.


http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/TC.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/M2.jpg

[Scipio]

Hey Flip ever think of doing a guide to making #@$ brilliant graphics? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[flip]

I should, but so little time to work for the mod. Apart from skilling, a great trick is to look for templates and premade models. I changed most of previous objects. There are no fixed guides. Every day I learn a different way of resolve a thing. And is combining several programs we reach somewhere. I cant write a guide about 3D rendering or Photoshop. Once this mod finish I may think on that.

[flip]

The heavy guys, they'll crash anything on they're way

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h47.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h48.jpg

[neogerry]

WOW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Cool M8,do you have some Companion Cavaly yet or will you make some later

Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

CZoF

[Antalis::]

flip, thats really impressive http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


btw: Will you also make Scythian Horse Archers and maybe celts?

That would be great.

[Thoros of Myr]

*Drools all over his shirt*

You guys should really have a job making games, or maybe you already do http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-tiny.gif

Hopefully this is out in time for the movie Troy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Amazing flip, those things look like they can steamroll over everything, Well Done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Sorry guys the HTW site is down,guess what.....BANDWIDTH http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

[Brianbbj]

There should be something special treat for the Hellenic fans, upto the premiere of TROY.....maybe like an new beta version....

[Antalis::]

We don´t holding the beta back, its simply not finished yet.
So be a bit patient http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

The problem is we all have busy working and private lives M8,i almost spend all my free time between HTW and NTW,i know Komninos has got not much free time right now because of his busy job,and our partners are getting in divorce moods sometimes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ,so please understand we all are doing this in our free time and for no commercial gain whatsoever,so please patience is a virtue

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[Kaiser of Arabia]

Damn. I was going to download it today.
-Caporegime http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-behead.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-behead.gif

[Antalis::]

No reason for http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif , http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


You can download the beta v2.1 at
mods (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/Mstats.shtml)


Or directly these two files at:

beta v2.1 main file (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/MTW/Stats/HTW-Beta-2-V-2-1.rar)

patch (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/MTW/Stats/HTWv21_patch_combilation.rar)


btw: You will also need Winrar to open it:
winrar (http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm)

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

He Spaghetti http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Download the HTW beta v2.1 and combination patch from here:

The Org Second Server (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/Mstats.shtml)

1.Use a new installation of MTW+VI. (rename it to HTW if you want)

- Than extract the Hellenic Total War v2.1 Beta into the new MTW main directory.
- extract the Combination patch into the same new directory.

2. Now go to your new MTW main directory and open the Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder and convert the mapTex.jpg and mapTex2.jpg to TGA format,Use IrfanView for that.

IrfanView (http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html)

Just open the two files using IrfanView and use the save as file option and save the two tga´s into this same Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder.


Cheesy
CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Hey guys, why can't I see the Sarissae guys?

Is the link gone? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

[flip]

Aymar please reload page, all fine here

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Thanks, Flip I had connection problems. All is fine now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

BTW, shouldn't the phalangists have smaller shiels. Historically Alexander's phalangists had a small shield attached to their forearm, not the traditional hoplon... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

[flip]

Update, a early Italian type, Chain Mail unit.
Ok, those will be the romans, and other factions, for our mod. No, no Lorica Segmentata http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/chain1.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/chain2.jpg

[Scipio]

ooh ooh I know that unit let me geuss... That Greak God that sends messages from/to Gods what is his name again? Hermes? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[[DnC]]

Those units look so, pardon my french, damned good

By the way. In my current Spartan campaign after the Persians have wiped out the Lydians, the Persians died out (read: no heir for succession) after 25 years in play. Soon the Lydians reappeared (and a couple of years after that the Persians aswell) and my war with the Lydians began some 50-70 years after that. Can't really remember http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I was slowly winning more ground and then the Lydians bribed one of my Spartan armies (near 650 men, including Spartan hoplites) and I had to fight that army. The next and current year the Lydians bribed another Spartan army, this time some 900 men. Luckily no Spartan hoplites though. The army is comprised out of largely Enomotia Hopliton, a few Enomotia Ekdromon and two units of skirmishers.

The thing that baffled me the most was that both armies were under leadership of a reasonably high loyalty general, yet the Lydians bribed them with mostlikely for a long time a negative income. The Lydians have stacks upon stacks of troops of which most of their troops consist out of Lydian Royal Guard Units (full strength is 140 supportcosts). Those two bribes must have cost them at least 100k gold total, maybe even near 200k. I wonder what gave them such an income. Maybe defeated enemy armies were ransomed back? Could be. Nonetheless this is one of the most entertaining wars so far Fighting my own. GAWD That's painfull

[Zawath]

Is it a bug or why I have to keep like 500 men in every province to stop the revolts? In MTW you only needed like 50-100 soldiers.

[komninos]

Hi all,

This is a fast one ...

Zawath, No that is as planed ... it might get a bit milder in the next update. Build some good buildings (other than troop or money makers)

[DnC] ... I am not 100% sure but the eastward provinces are a bit reacher than the rest. Though I don't like that. Money will decrease in the next update. Most probably a ghost province will be generated that will produce good money for the eastern factions and the rest of the provinces will be reduced back to there normal money making power.

Flip, you are killing me ... excellent unit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Quote[/b] (Count Zimoa of Flanders @ Mar. 23 2004,17:05)]He Spaghetti http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Cheesy
CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
Lol. You do remember me. Cool (at least tell me you like Cannolli, if you've ever had them.

[flip]

Update, the Chain Mail in game, also with archery poses

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h49.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h50.jpg

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Very NIce http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[flip]

No comment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h51.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h52.jpg

[Julius Caesar]

Very nice units http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Are those the Macedonian Phalangites? or however you spell it.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

@Flip
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
@Caporegime 1984
I love all pasta http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[tical76]

Hi HTW Team,
I've been away on business, is the chariot update out yet, I know I may be a nag, but I have been away and i dont know what is going on.

Also I am very impressed with your teams work. I am a Computer Engineer and a entrepeneur, i have started two software companies in my career, and i am thinking of starting a game company, or better yet investing in one. I think you guys have real great talent, with creativity, and most important working as a team. If you guys ever think of starting a company to create great things like you are doing here, i can probably invest in you guys, and i could find investement depending on the size of the project. I come to Europe from time to time, and would love to meet with you guys. I think you are in Europe right.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[flip]

Tical, can you send me your email by PM?

[Brianbbj]

maybe this is a stupid question, but in what order does the ages come in hellenic.

Geometric=Early
Proclassic=High
Classic=Late
???

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Quote[/b] ]Also I am very impressed with your teams work. I am a Computer Engineer and a entrepeneur, i have started two software companies in my career, and i am thinking of starting a game company, or better yet investing in one. I think you guys have real great talent, with creativity, and most important working as a team. If you guys ever think of starting a company to create great things like you are doing here, i can probably invest in you guys, and i could find investement depending on the size of the project. I come to Europe from time to time, and would love to meet with you guys. I think you are in Europe right.




Thank you for this great compliment,Sir.I'me in a total different line of work in real life but i was thinking in that direction for myself,maybe something is brewing here.Tiscal,my mail is in the buttom of my profile if you want to vent some ideas.

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CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[todorp]

Quote[/b] (Count Zimoa of Flanders @ Mar. 24 2004,03:05)]He Spaghetti http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Download the HTW beta v2.1 and combination patch from here:

The Org Second Server (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/Mstats.shtml)

1.Use a new installation of MTW+VI. (rename it to HTW if you want)

- Than extract the Hellenic Total War v2.1 Beta into the new MTW main directory.
- extract the Combination patch into the same new directory.

2. Now go to your new MTW main directory and open the Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder and convert the mapTex.jpg and mapTex2.jpg to TGA format,Use IrfanView for that.

IrfanView (http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html)

Just open the two files using IrfanView and use the save as file option and save the two tga´s into this same Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder.


Cheesy
CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
I am puzzled, why I should convert the jpg files to tga? Can't the converted files be in the HTW rar in the first place? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (todorp @ Mär. 25 2004,16:54)]Cheesy
CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
I am puzzled, why I should convert the jpg files to tga? Can't the converted files be in the HTW rar in the first place? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif


No they cannot: If they would be in tga format in the rar-file then this rar file would have about 22mb more in size.

So to save bandwidgh and time to download it its in jpg format.


If you would not convert them the map would be the old MTW one.

[flip]

Update, next 2 units. Iphicratian Hoplite and a Nubian.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Yficratian.gif

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Nubian.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Really like the Nubian http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,

Lots of things are happening here ...
Flip great units ... I have managed to finalize the Persian shields and weapons (thanks to Zimoa) and I have just to make the spear and pavice coordinates. This will not take too much time now.
I like the new hoplite units though you made a Ificratian and a Hellenic pike units. We will need the Ificratian type for the Late Hoplites too. Just hope there is no great change in the coordinates of the new units to speed things up. BTW flip, I have made a new Skithic type axe that was very popular in the east.

I have also changed some parameters of the Persians so we might get a Persian Spearmen unit. The main problem remains that all Persian units should be placed in attack mode ... but they are missile units. Any way I have to find a way to make them use the Sparabara formation 80% of the times.

African units (Nubian Ethiopian) would be fun to play with. Really strong warriors but other wise very light using small shields and spears or just large axes. They would blast though other eastern unit types but with Hoplitic units things are grim.

Flip, how do you fill about cavalry after these are done?

Antalis I have finally developed the Photos from Delphi region, I think you would find more than 2 or 3 maps for mountain river type maps in them.

[Antalis::]

At the moment I´m in testing phase with my maps and I´m trying to give you the best expirience you could get with the landscapes and castles: So I hope you´ll like them and enjoy the new units from flip in a new enviroment.
The maps will come as an addon to the old maps: That means that also the old MTW maps (without the churches) will be playable.


Antalis

[[DnC]]

Komninos,

Just something I was curious about;
Phalanxes had a hard time manouvering (sp?) to face enemies from the sides which gave them a weakness on the flanks and rear (meaning it took a lot more time to face another way), which posed a real problem when already engaged, correct?

So have you tried altering columns 30 to 33 (Gnome Editor)? Those are the columns that deal with the unit's movement speeds. The units in vanilla MTW itself all have the same values for these movement speeds. But quite a while ago I made some alterations to it myself and it seemed to work. So has the HTW crew tried to fiddle around with these values? Could make for a more historically accurate based fighting system? This way the phalanxes cannot face incoming enemy units so fast as any other in HTW making it a lot more important to stay in formation. Just a thought mind you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheers,
DnC

PS. I have very little knowlegde about greek warfare (mostly learned things around these boards), but thought this was the case and this might help create a more enriching gaming experience?

[komninos]

This would be an interesting thing for all spear / pike units.
Since we can do it I will see in to it. I hate the Gnome Editor and similar tools I will see what I can do in my Excel file. The problem is that phalanxes if warned and not engaged could change direction very quickly the last became first and the first last row. In Alexander’s square formations this was the case for all four directions.
This can’t be implemented in MTW engine. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

I will see what I can do.

[Brianbbj]

maybe this is a stupid question, but in what order does the ages come in hellenic.

Geometric=Early
Proclassic=High
Classic=Late
??? ¨

i think my computer done something wrong, so please answer me

[Scipio]

Quote[/b] ]
Geometric=Early
Proclassic=High
Classic=Late


That sounds about right

[[DnC]]

Citaat[/b] (komninos @ Mar. 26 2004,08:17)]This would be an interesting thing for all spear / pike units.
Since we can do it I will see in to it. I hate the Gnome Editor and similar tools I will see what I can do in my Excel file. The problem is that phalanxes if warned and not engaged could change direction very quickly the last became first and the first last row. In Alexander’s square formations this was the case for all four directions.
This can’t be implemented in MTW engine. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

I will see what I can do.
Yep I saw that problem aswell, but at least it could get somewhere in the right direction.

[[DnC]]

Just did some testing.

Komninos, if you take for example the Spartan hoplites and change MIN_TURNSPEED to 0.5 (don't know if 0.5 actually works or if it just translates ingame into a 1 as a minimal value), MAX_TURNSPEED to 2, TURN_TO_MOTION_SPEED to 4 and keep MAX_INMOTION_TURN the same and then test it. Do you see it heading to somewhere that may be to your liking? I know it's far from perfect so far, but maybe with a bit of tweaking it can be done just about right enough as far as can be done with the MTW engine.

[Graccus]

HI to everyone. First day here to this site. been reading for hours and I'm pleased and impressed. I set myself up to mod with the hellenic now after trying 'Forge of Destiny' and the 'Patrician' mods.
I'm wondering about the end dates of these mods and the original MTW. One thing I disliked tremendously was the the game will end in 20 moves message.
I saw a post on how to modify end date around but I cant seem to find it now.
Is there a way to extend the end date in the campmap/GameEnd file or somewhere else maybe?
thanks

[Antalis::]

Hi Graccus http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif :


Open your campmap/startpos-folder: There you will find the campaign.txts, like the three for HTW: Hellenic_DA, Hellenic_PCL, Hellenic_CL.

Open one of these campaign files and there at the beginning of the text you will find this:

//========================================
//Start Date
//The year in which this
//campaign will begin
//========================================

SetStartDate:: 400
SetPeriod:: LATE
SetEarlyPeriodStartDate:: 150
SetHighPeriodStartDate:: 250
SetLatePeriodStartDate:: 400
SetGameEndDate:: 500

-----------

Change the SetGameEndDate to whatever you like.

For example:
//========================================
//Start Date
//The year in which this
//campaign will begin
//========================================

SetStartDate:: 400
SetPeriod:: LATE
SetEarlyPeriodStartDate:: 150
SetHighPeriodStartDate:: 250
SetLatePeriodStartDate:: 400
SetGameEndDate:: 800


greetings:

Antalis

[flip]

Update, Yficratian hoplite. Kom, I found a solution to use this one for both eras: as Late Hoplite and as a Phalangite. I'll send you a email.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h53.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h54.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h55.jpg

[Graccus]

Thank you vary much Antalis,
Graccus

[flip]

A extra capability for the Iphycratian slot
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h56.jpg
Proper colored crests for hoplites
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h57.jpg

[flip]

For last the African unit. That was a long road. Foot units are closed. Mabe a late peltast to finish. I'll take some days and I'll be away for the next week. Komninos will have a lot to do. Then, lets go to the mounted guys.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h58.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h60.jpg

[neogerry]

very nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Nickpes1805]

Quote[/b] ]Just something I was curious about;
Phalanxes had a hard time manouvering (sp?) to face enemies from the sides which gave them a weakness on the flanks and rear (meaning it took a lot more time to face another way), which posed a real problem when already engaged, correct?


Alexanders phalangites and the early Seleucid ones could manouvre very easily in zero time,turning either to their side or their rear.As the years went by this ability was lost.

The same comes for the Early Spartans (until nearly 370BC).They could turn very easily to the direction they wanted.

Nikos

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

In a couple of days the site will be up again.

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Yay The mounted units are coming Bring 'em On

[Graccus]

Hello again.
I'm now wondering if there is a way to disable files related to non-critical ingame messages, i.e. there is a famine in another region, or faction x decides he cannot win, or there was a storm on the coast of x province no ships were destroyed, the king of x has died but his heir replaces him, your daughter has passed the marriagable age, etc... I would like to disable all of these types of messages if possible.
Is there a way to remove these types of files?

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

That is already avaliable in-game from the original M:TW.
Beside the mini map you will notice a Grey box with a large >. Click on it and set off Display non critical messages to stop them popping on the screen. Also here you will notice other options like Auto tax/build/train and automatically save every turn ( usually set on by default)

Cheers
SZDC

[Graccus]

I do that every time I play but still get all those messages

[Graccus]

I always use AI for managing taxes and show computer moves is always off but I still get the messages constantly and it becomes a chore (boor) when I'm trying to build up fast. Lol seen them a million times now.
Do you actually play without having to constantly close those windows?

[flip]

Ok, I did it again, thanks to the suggestion of Sir Moody. We found a solution to build mounted units quickly, using a blank horse bif. Kom, as I said in the past this game is all the time surprising me. I'm so happy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h61.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h62.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h63.jpg

[Antalis::]

Hi flip:


Thats an amazing cavalry unit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


Antalis

[itkotw]

Hello everyone,

First I want to say that I love this mod. You guys have done a great job with it. It still needs a lot of balancing, so factions are impossible to play without some tweaking.

I have played this mod for a few months now, and I have been trying to figure out how to stop the AI from building cavalry. I spent a lot of time adjusting the AI's Unit choices numbers but that never seems to help the barbarian factions, they always still build a ton of cavalry.

The best solution I have found to fix this was by changing the Unit type (second column in Gnome editor)of the barbarian's infantry, from INFANTRY to CAVALRY. My reasoning for doing this is because no matter how I changed the AI's Unit choices numbers, they would not build many infantry units. So, I look at their AI type, which is Barbarian_Raider. I figured that this AI type, which was used for the Golden Horde in the orginal TW, is programed to buld mostly cavalry units (the golden horde would build almost only cavalry).

Even if my interpretation of how the AI types work is wrong, the solution still works. I changed all of the barbarians infantry unit types to cavalry. It causes the barbarians to build a lot of infantry. The change seems to have no adverse effects either (the game does not crash because you changed the infantry types to cavalry).

As far as the non barbarians still bulding cavalry, I think that it can be helped be altering the AI's Unit choices.


Other tweaks -

I have tweaked a ton of stuff in the game, but on of the only other major problems I have is about slingers. An army of slings can cripple even the most the battle hardened Greek army, unless they have some fast barbarian mercs, cavalry, or slings of your own. Though this may have been historically possible, it is just a pain in the butt. I have started by lowering the slingers ammo from 60 to about 40. I am also thinking about slowing their running speed some and lowering their morale.


p.s. I have not tested the cavalry change over a long period of time. I always play as the spartans and I only play about 20 or 30 turns before I stop and change something and start over. I anyone else tests it, post and tell me how it goes.

[itkotw]

lol, sorry for the spelling mistakes on my previous post.

The last line should read If anyone

[tical76]

Quote[/b] (flip @ Mar. 25 2004,07:39)]Tical, can you send me your email by PM?
Hi Flip,

Sorry for the delay, i have been very busy. I tried to PM you, and i get denied, maybe because i am still a junior member. I sent Zimoa my personal e-mail address, if you wish you can get it from him, otherwise i will create a hotmail or yahoo account so you can e-mail me there, and i will give you my personal e-mail address.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Sir Moody]

itkotw a slight flaw in your soloution to Building non horse

by changing inf units to being cavalry it meens spear units will get a bonus defending against them (as the game THINKS they are cavalry) and with the main greek units being Spear this screws the infantry...

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Quote[/b] ]Hi Flip,

Sorry for the delay, i have been very busy. I tried to PM you, and i get denied, maybe because i am still a junior member. I sent Zimoa my personal e-mail address, if you wish you can get it from him, otherwise i will create a hotmail or yahoo account so you can e-mail me there, and i will give you my personal e-mail address.




Ok guys i forwarded his mail really all of you should use MSM so we can have better contact,think about it guys if some of you have created a MSN account mail me your username...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

CZoF

[flip]

test sign

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Looks great on you Flip
@Sir Moody: can you sent me your mail address

P.S. check your mail please Flip...

CZoF

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I've been at uni for quite a while and i'm not sure whats the newest release of this mod, could anyone give me some info? The one i played was truely excellent http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Ok version 2.1 beta is the latest but the new version is in the pipeline and will be coming around the end of April.
Loved playing your mod BTW......

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Julius Caesar]

Damn, another month until the next update... i hella cant wait for it..

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

It will be worth it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Julius Caesar]

Yes, it will but ill just have to be patient.

[Julius Caesar]

ill just stay patient and calm.

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

I'm willing to wait and just drool over those chariots and other units FLIP made until April.

BTW, will the next version (2.2?) contain the Cavalry units made by the time it is released or not?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
SZDC

[flip]

Sir Zack, here's your answer

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h64.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h65.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h66.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h67.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h68.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h69.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h70.jpg

Ok, people, this is my gift for all that are with great expectations on HTW 2.2. I'll be away for a week. It was a long road till now. Kom, I'll pack you this bif model that will be the base for all mount units. No, no need to change coordinates. And with the 3D model template, building cavalry units is quick. Just need the characteristics for the units. Have a list with details for my comeback. Me and Sir Moody talked about solutions for horse units that give a lot of options. I'll explain it in my mail. Thanks again Sir Moody. it was a brilliant idea. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif to all

[Sir Moody]

Flip .... /falls on knees.... WOW great work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Julius Caesar]

Did horses look like that

[Scipio]

I'm sorry if this has been asked a million times but what will be in the next version? When will the Romans appear?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Next update around the end of April
Romans in a later addition
@Flip
@Sir Moody
Great Job,Happy Holiday

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Dirk]

To all of the HTW-team:
I would like to draw your attention to my entry concerning the 'Hall of Fame' status for the HTW-team in the main Engineering Guild forum:

http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....t=16614 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=27;t=16614)

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I really can't wait, great work lads http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Gen_Lee]

Nice work, Flip.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Thoros of Myr]

Wow I know I'll still be playing HTW well after RTW is released http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Aurelian]

Fantastic work as always, but what's up with the horses? The cavalry look like Nubian zebra riders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Anyway, I'm drooling already thinking about the next update. Thanks for all the hard work. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Scipio]

Hey I was wondering, could we see some pics of Flip's elephants? Will they be in the next version?

[wilpuri]

No elephants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Antalis::]

I´ve only said, that there are technical problems with creating elephants (size problem), what I´ve understood what Metal Storm explained, but if we could find a way to make them, I´m sure, that flip will make them.
So lets hope that it will work.

[neogerry]

awesome cavalry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Prince Tryphon]

when is the self installer coming out for HTW???????



Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif



Prince Tryphon

[Sir Moody]

when you can stomach downloading 150ish mb....

[Antalis::]

Here a new screenshot of one of the castle-series:
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/castle19.jpg

Here is it larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11242

[komninos]

Hi all,

Some good news ... fast.
I have finally managed to do all the coordinate work and I have started the placement of the units.
So far the Skythic units are in, and all the new Hoplitic. Also some of the Spear units (Lydian, Illyrian and Thracian)
Still a lot to do but this will go a lot faster since it is much more fun to doing that than the coordinates.

[Antalis::]

A screenshot of a rivermap, which will be included:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_river1.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11289

[Ypoknons]

These are nice maps. Though I admit I'm new to maps, that moss' around the bridge looks pretty cool.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Antalis is a true artist http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Antalis::]

Chaironeia:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_city5.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11296


Antalis

[Antalis::]

Marathon landscape:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_Marathon.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11297

[Antalis::]

Here a screenshot of a map with Dark European temperate:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape1.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11349

[tical76]

Hi HTW Team,

I've been extremely busy this week, and sunday evenings are usually when i have time to sit down and tend to my interests. Get in touch with me anytime via eMail. I will set up a MSN account sometime this week, then maybe we can get together and shoot some ideas. Also to give me a idea of location where are you guys from. I live in Ottawa, Canada.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

We all have MSN so that will be no problem.See you soon...

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Antalis::]

About custom battles in the new update:


You will be able to choose between: Southeuropean arid and Dark Age temperate.

Every map will have its own mapimage, thats about 500 mapimages.

[flip]

I'm back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Scipio]

Yay welcome back cheif designer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Antalis::]

Welcome back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Norseman]

Very nice maps Antalis, that last one reminds me of one from Shogun. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Antalis::]

Thank you Norseman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Hope you had a nice holiday Flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Antalis::]

Some more Dark age E. temperate screenshots:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape2.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape3.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape4.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape5.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11437
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11438
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11439
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11440


Antalis


ps: Soon I´ll send you some pics for the website zimoa

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif @ the 3rd and 4th

Well Done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[neogerry]

very good maps Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
keep up the good work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[dimitrios the samian]

Greetings to all the team working on this Hellenic mod plus all the TW fans visiting this thread and most of all CA for making this all possible .
My name is Demetrious and I too hope to one day post news of a new mod to this great game .
Starting so late ( playing ). I am excited , amazed and intrigued by this awesome thing called ..TOTAL WAR.. the possibilities to modify , adjust and tinker with its code ,has me on mental overdrive , with so many excellent mods already released plus more to come Im having grandthoughts ..... Sumeria , Babylon , chariots , Ziggurats . Anyway gotta go back to current game Byz's late , I won my first ever game early Danes .
Don't forget check my first two posts... Battlefeild Camera and Unit info panels .I feel they deserve to be more user freindly.
( less time fiddling and adjusting more RTS )worth looking into guys I can further describe my ideas .
cheers
D the Samian

Ps . Can I have 3 versions of TW running on my Pc ?
MYW v1.1 - VI 2.1 and one more for HTW and more later.

[Antalis::]

Yeah, modding the TW series is worth it.


And yes, its possible to have many MTW installations.
Simply copy the MTW folder and paste it to another place.


Antalis

[Antalis::]

Some more screenshots:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape6.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape7.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11493
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11494

[Ellesthyan]

Oh goody, that's looking magnificient, Antalis

[Thoros of Myr]

Antalis is the master tactical cartographer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Antalis::]

Some more landscape screenshots http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape10.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape11.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape9.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11569
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11570
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11497

[PseRamesses]

Hi guys, how´s it going? Great I hear and from what I can see. Flip is a unit-wiz and Antalis´ maps are exquisite. I heard a release is coming in the end of April. Am I correct?

[Antalis::]

Yes you are right.

Before that, we will make a beta-test behind the scene, to make sure, that everything is working correctly.

[Antalis::]

The same map in 2 views:


http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape12.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape13.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11580
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11581

[flip]

Back to modding http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
New unit, same type of cav unit. they'll go for Northern greeks.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h71.jpg

Be afraid... any bets on this one?
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Spartan.jpg

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

@Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

@Flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

SZDC

PS: smiley overdose lol...

[Aurelian]

Would that be Sparty the Spartan, mascot of Michigan State University (my alma mater)? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

See, waiting for the next beta is making me as giddy as a schoolgirl.

Jeebus, this is amazing work. The models look fantastic and the landscape screenshots look good enough to frame and hang on the wall.

Just out of curiousity, how big will the download be? Am I going to have to leave the computer going all night? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[flip]

Update, Spartans ready, cloak is dark red for all, crest and skirt fac colors.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h72.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h73.jpg

[1dread1lahll]

I ive not posted here yet, ive got the hellenic mod, I see screen shots at the site that inclued units not in my game....I assume its a newer version? out yet? or comming out soon?

[TigerVX]

Wow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif those BIFs are so detailed I can't wait to see your Legionares. I've had this mod for a bit, but haven't posted here yet. I love it. I can't wait for your next release. Will it include hoplites with Gladius type swords like in RTW?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Quote[/b] ] ive not posted here yet, ive got the hellenic mod, I see screen shots at the site that inclued units not in my game....I assume its a newer version? out yet? or comming out soon?

All the screenshots you see in here are pics of the development of HTW currently we are putting all bits together for the new version and are aiming for a release around the end of April or early May.

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Antalis::]

New screenshots:

A village near a small mountain:
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape19.jpg

The landscape of Issos:
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape20.jpg

Another city:
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape21.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape22.jpg


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11638
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11639
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11640
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11641

[DeadRunner]

cool screnshoots
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[DeadRunner]

PPl a question i take the mod and is installed already but the campaign map is up the original map of medievial.
what is wrong and what i have to do to fiz this
S.o.s m8´s

[Antalis::]

You must convert the two campaignmap-jpgs into tga format with IrfanView:


Open your Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder and convert the mapTex.jpg and mapTex2.jpg to TGA format.
Use IrfanView (http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html) for that and put the two tga´s into the same folder (Textures/campmap/Hellenic).

[DeadRunner]

thx m8 is working now the map =))

[komninos]

Hi all,
Finally some progress was made ... after spending a good time of my Easter holidays on HTW development.

I also got my hands on some grate pictures of troop representations of the periods in HTW and Byzantine for MTW.
Most of the foot units are ready (90% only some minor modifications remain). There is a new coloring scheme that we would all have to get used to. So a unit patch will be available to the beta testers soon.
In order to balance the factions in there eras and bring some reality to the production of units I had to go back to the basics. Since all attempts to limit the cavalry production failed miserably I concluded that the cavalry problem came from the fact that they could produce the light cavalry units much easier than all other units. So I went back to the buildings and checked the way the personalities matrix was formed. The buildings referred to the MTW time line that cavalry was a big part of the armed forces so I re calibrated the personality matrix giving more precedence to the infantry buildings. I also made a new upgrade calibration, in the initial file CA use a static factor of 1.5 for each building paced on the value received in the initial calculation. I now generate a factor that depends on this formula 0.5*sum of depending units + 0.2*sum of depending buildings. This makes the buildings that are mostly needed extremely important. I hope the problem dies out with this solution. Ports and shipyards were carefully calculated in the new matrix so you will not see the Spartans building ports and shipyards like creasy.
Finally the cavalry units are now on the drawing board. Basically when the cavalry units the update would be ready and sent for the final beta testing as an integral part.
I would like to apologize to most people fro the big delay here but unfortunately we changed several parts of the mod during development and then things were not compatible with the v2.1. I will have to make sure that a working copy exists in my PC as well as a development copy of HTW.

[Antalis::]

Two more:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape30.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape23.jpg


http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11673
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11672

[Brianbbj]

What about a very very short unit guide, when the next beta comes out?, of just a short unit stat guide or something. i have very hard figuring what the different types of hoplites can, and what there differences are.
some of the factions have different types in different areas, very confusing for me, and i have been notised that maybe the hoplite type continues to have the same name, it changes stats..... and that hoplites who seem to have almost the same name, have different stat depending on factions.

can this be done?

or just a hoplite guide eventually?

[flip]

Good idea, I'll be happy to suport that, mabe a graphic guide with units pics with the stats. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[DeadRunner]

That will be nice
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
the beta is very good i am enjoy a lot playing it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Antalis::]

A coastalriver:
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape32.jpg

Hills at the coast:
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape33.jpg

Hills inland:
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape34.jpg

Two big holes in the ground:
In one the attacker starts.
http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape31.jpg




larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11717
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11718
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11719
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11720

[Brianbbj]

Unit guide question:

any of the developers who will make this?

if i get to be a beta tester, I will ofcourse join this.

[flip]

Update, new unit, a Dark Age/Early Hoplite

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h74.jpg

[NagatsukaShumi]

Very nice looking units flip, as always.

I couldn't help but chuckle to myself though at those two lone men charging at one another away from rank in the background, that made me laugh.

[thirchak18]

Ok i gotta ask. I have a little bit of ocd so i need to know how to change faction colors. The difference in reds between the spartans in the first campaign and the spartans in the later campaigns is driving me nuts. so how do i do it?

[flip]

Working on next cav units. Caps and helmets.

Medium/Thessalian Cavalry
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/medium.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/capa.jpg
Xistophoroi_hippis/Companions
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/companion.jpg

[Antalis::]

If someone knows some links for tactical maps for battles of the Peloponesian War it would be wonderful.
Or has a book with such maps and could make a scan.
I´m thinking about making some historical battles for it.
But no promise.

I would need such maps to know wich troop types and deployments were used:

I need such information for Mantinea, Sphacteria.

Maybe also for Amphipolis and Platae, Delium.

[DeadRunner]

I know that athenas had the best navy but to win aganst 5 boats and with only 2 damm.
This happens to me yesterday 5 my warships where overthrow by 2 athenas ships http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Sad but true http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

[TigerVX]

ITS EL FLASHO DE HORSEO =O.

Anyways, back to the point. The 3D modelling looks great If RTW can except new 3D skins, I'd love to see you mod that. The progress seems to be going well, I can't wait for your next release.

[thirchak18]

hey come on, people. i just need a quick pointer. don't ignore me :) how do i change faction colors?

[Antalis::]

Try the Faction Colour editing tool:

http://xelous.homeip.net/ntw/factioncolourtool.html


or edit it yourshelf:

SetFactionCol:: FN_01 110 162 52 255 234 6
SetFactionCol:: FN_02 104 157 255 171 204 235
SetFactionCol:: FN_03 220 207 0 206 62 38
SetFactionCol:: FN_04 164 139 108 100 100 100
SetFactionCol:: FN_05 220 0 0 240 0 0
SetFactionCol:: FN_06 54 86 195 238 245 237
SetFactionCol:: FN_07 200 200 200 100 100 100
SetFactionCol:: FN_08 0 114 37 213 11 23
SetFactionCol:: FN_09 59 109 60 100 100 100
SetFactionCol:: FN_10 54 86 195 238 245 237
SetFactionCol:: FN_11 80 7 26 220 220 220
SetFactionCol:: FN_12 176 126 55 100 100 100
SetFactionCol:: FN_13 255 102 0 255 102 0
SetFactionCol:: FN_14 187 161 2 149 17 12

Each 3 numbers stands for one color.

So 3 numbers = 1 color.

Thats: Red Green Blue

[Antalis::]

About the historical battles and campaign(s):


You will be able to play all battles of the campaigns also as historical battle.

If you love the challange, then play them as campaign, one by one.

In work are:

Marathon
Thermopylae
Plataeae
Gaugamela
Granikos
Issos
Chaironea.

Maybe more.

[flip]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Thessalian/Medium cavalry

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h75.jpg

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Sweet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

(and I love their hats http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Great job http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Sir Zack

[Antalis::]

Also Mantinea 418 BC, Delium and maybe Sphacteria will be playable as Historical battles.

[flip]

Antalis, I'll try to compile some material for you. Send me a PM with your email.
Another unit, a heavy one: Xistophoroi Hippis/Companion
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/CompanionCav.jpg

[neogerry]

amazing units flip

great work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Lord Bloodygore]

LOL those units look like Mexican vaquero's. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Regards

LBG http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

Landscape of Sphacteria:

On this small island the Spartans have to defend themshelf against the Athenian forces.
They were cut of support and the Athenians tried to land on this island to attack them.
In reallity many Spartans were killed and the rest were captured.


http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape35.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape36.jpg


http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11788
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11789


Thats the original area today: the bay in the north didn´t exist in ancient time:

http://mkatz.web.wesleyan.edu/thucydides_lecture/sandbar_and_lagoon.gif

[Julius Caesar]

Nice Maps. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Antalis::]

Thank you.

This map will only be playable for historical battles.

The MTW engine is too dumb to recognice a good place to deploy on this map.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Gerousia:amazing stuff ladshttp://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

I hope i can assemple the Beta-troops soon and get the public version smoothly out.

@Antalis:
Thanks for helping to update all the topics at the other forums especially all the pics

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Antalis::]

@zimoa:

No problem http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif .
Maybe you can need some of the pics for our website.


@flip:
That would be wonderful http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


@Rosacrux:
When will you send me the historical battle descriptions?

I need many of them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif

Marathon, Thermopylae, Plataeae, Issos, Granikos, Chaironeia, Gaugamela, Delium, Sphacteria, Mantinea 418 bc, maybe also Leuctra.

And preludes to Persian wars, Peloponesian war and Macedonian conquest.


If you can do this it would be great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I know its much work, but they don´t need to be very long.
Only a short summit for each battle and campaign.


Antalis

[Antalis::]

@flip:

Can you make also celts?


And what do you think: Are elephants with the MTW engine possible?

[Antalis::]

You will find many of the historical battlemaps also in the campaign:

So if you attack Troas you will get the Granikos map, if attacking Phocis from Aeniania you will get the Thermopylae map.

Attacking Phocis from Boethia you will get Chaironeia, attacking Argolis from Lacedemonia you will get Mantinea, attacking Attika from Boethia -> Marathon.

Maybe I will find a way also to implementate Delium, but I doubt that its possible.
No names left.

Issos and Gaugamela will only be playable as Historical battles and custom battle, maybe also as hist campaign.
They are too far away from Greece.

And Spacteria is not working with normal deploying.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

@Antalis
I will update the site next week.With all the Art peaces

@Rosacrux
Those historical battle descriptions i will put them on the site to so mail me to when ready.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Antalis::]

@zimoa:


That sounds good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Antalis::]

The landscape for the Historical Battle of Granicus:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_Granikos.jpg


A long line of persian cavalry will defend the dry river there.
Alexander the Great has to cross it and deploy his troops against the persian infantry forces at the plane land in front, who are marching against him and will arrive soon there.


larger:
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11882

[Antalis::]

The battlefieldmap for Gaugamela:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_Gaugamela.jpg

Enough place to use chariots http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11884

[Brianbbj]

OMG CHARIOTS i feel like a little chield who can't wait for christmas.

PS: flip: unit guide ?

[Antalis::]

Delium:

Peloponnesian War:
Athen against Thebes:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_Delium.jpg


http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11886

[Coldstream]

Thank god for flat maps. All the hilly maps you have to fight on really piss me off. Hoplites needs flat areas to fight.

[Antalis::]

You will find all sorts of maps with the new update: From flatland to hilly maps, to mountains, rivers, swamps, large forrests, citys, castles and so on.

But you will often find such meetingplaces in front of a mountain.

Greece and the region isn´t flat.
You cannot make every battlemap flat there.

Its an addon to the old MTW maps: So you will also find all the other flat and planemaps too: So enough flat maps in HTW.

And the areas there are absolutly not plane.
Only a few of them are really flat.

[komninos]

Hi all I would like to give you some statistics since I just finished the gathering of all the units till now.
At present (with just two of the cavalry units done) the zipped file is 77.7MB and that does not include for Antalis stuff that will add a good 30MB and the rest of the units so we are looking some thing like a 120MB download.

The unzipped data come to +170MB at my disk so expect some thing of the +200MB total not considering the two map TGAs.

BTW flip the two cavalry units are inserted now. Looking forward for the rest.

[flip]

Kom, here's more on Cav. Heavy mounted guys for Xistophoroi_hippis/ Companions

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h76.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h77.jpg

[Antalis::]

Excellent work flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Dirk]

Question:
Why should I (as indicated in your different entries) have to install MTW, VI AND the patch in order to get the upcoming version of HTW to work properly.
When VI came out there was a warning NOT to install the patch as well as that was like inviting problems.

Dirk

[Antalis::]

Its simple:

Install MTW+VI+VI-patch.

Not the MTW patch.

[Dirk]

Sorry, I got the MTW and the VI patch confused.

[Antalis::]

Also Leuctra will be playable as Historical battle.

Its a nearly plain map and perfect for useing the hoplite warfare there.

Maybe I will post a pic later.

[Brianbbj]

I don't think size does matter :) people are used to download cd images of 700mb..


maybe the helleic total war should be in an image file.....like a full install version, directly burn to a cd.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Totally agree it is becoming a big size mod but this will not keep people from downloading,HTW is just to good to ignore M8's

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[Antalis::]

Leuctra 371 BC:

Sparta and allies against Thebans.

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_Leuctra2.jpg


http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11929


In time I will post screenshots also with the units.

[Brianbbj]

this guy got elepants, we can you deveolors not use his elephant?

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/mezzma1970/FNBifs.html

[neogerry]

great work flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[sparta]

when i go to start the campaign(the loading screen)a error comes and it gos back to the menu...plz help i wanna play this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Antalis::]

You have converted the campaignmap images (maptex and maptex2) wrong.

You need IrfanView (http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html) to convert this two jpgs to TGA format.

Do not use another programm.

Go to your new HTW main directory and open the Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder and convert the mapTex.jpg and mapTex2.jpg to TGA format,Use IrfanView for that (link above).
Just open the two files using IrfanView and use the save as file option and save the two tga´s into this same Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder.

[Antalis::]

Some more landscapes:

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape37.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape38.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape39.jpg

http://www.image-dump.com/dump/previews/HTW_landscape40.jpg


http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11966
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11967
http://www.image-dump.com/view.php?m=2&x=11968

[PseRamesses]

Antalis,
I found theese links, when claening my favourites today, that you might find useful for HTW research.

http://www.unc.edu/depts/cl_atlas/
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/toc/cult_map.html

[Antalis::]

The first link is interresting.

A pitty that that atlas very expensive.

But some maps are still also avaible there.


Antalis

[uksiu]

Hello,

I tried to download the newest version of HTW from the page http://www.hellenictotalwar.com/pages/htw2pag.html

I used GetRight two times and once I've just download it to desktop. Everytime Hellenic Beta v 2.1 (rar file) is corrupted: rar has problem to extract 8 files, everytime the same files (two arid maps, two commanders graphics, one of prince, maptext2.jpg and two units graphics).

Is it possible to download the archieve from other source?
Maybe there is a place, where I can find the missing files?
Maybe somebody could send me crashed files?

Help, please

I truely like and respect Total War games and I hoped I spend a couple of hours fighting the Persians (or ruling them against Athens) using this complex and huge mod.

[Antalis::]

Hmm, thats strange.

Try to download it without the downloadmanager.