The Megapolis

[uksiu]

Thanks for response.

I download it without download menager two times.
I'll try once more... maybe it's the weather :)

[Antalis::]

Its always the weather http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


But you´re right.
I saw it now.

Something has damaged the file on the server.


Try to download it from 3D downloads.

http://www.3ddownloads.com/strateg....2-1.rar (http://www.3ddownloads.com/strategy-gaming/totalwar/MTW/Stats/HTW-Beta-2-V-2-1.rar)

[uksiu]

I'll keep trying...

BTW, Is it possible the queue for downloading at 3ddownloads is 44 minutes long?

I'm affraid I have problems with that page, but I don't lose my faith in good battle this evening http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Antalis::]

Yup its possible: its 3D download: The crapiest server of mankind http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[uksiu]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

OK. I'm waiting, and waiting, and waiting...

Believing it will works - should I use instalation MTW + VI + invasion201patch.exe ?

[Antalis::]

Yes install MTW+VI+VI patch

[uksiu]

The download was succesful

Thanks Antalis

Now just installation and forward to victory

[PIRROS]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Hello to all the fans of TW.I am new in town.Great work with the greek mod. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif It would be my pleasure to help you with the historical details if I could.Keep up the good work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

We will go down a bit with the update posting so we can concentrate on the last developments and testing,hope you all understand.

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-builder.gif

[uksiu]

I spent last 6 hours with HTW.

Outstanding work Very addictive mod - it has atmosphere of ancient times, with this fonts, units, buidings...
And it helps to imagine special conditions of greek war long BC.

Impressive and complexed more then I supposed.
There are details, that were annoying, but not too much imho (and I'm sure some of this detail could take months of work...)

Full respect for creators

[Rosacrux]

Antalis

Heya lad. Real Life has been a bitch (and a half) in the past few weeks, and I found no time to devote to HTW. Shame on me, I say. Sorry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

So in the next couple of days you'll get the descriptions you need. And they'll be good too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[dimitrios the samian]

Hello Antalis ,
Is the mod storm over Europe your creation ?

[Antalis::]

Yes it is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


Very very long time ago I made this campaign.txt mod.

The threat of the mongols http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

[flip]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h78.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h79.jpg

[Antalis::]

Very well done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Brianbbj]

great job, are you using the original Total War horse?

I have always thinked that look kinda small compared to the rider.

[dimitrios the samian]

Awesome graphics Flip , im like BBG and many others ,bring it on Tell me Antalis is there any info hints background etc on your mod anyware ?
Im looking forward to playing it soon as I think my Burgundians after 50 years ( Empire v2 )have bitten of to much and i will try to survive the horrific Papal and German onslought .

[dimitrios the samian]

Nice Yellow and black cav , are they Persians ?

[flip]

Ok, I'll start a improvised pool. Which one of you found the horses small in comparison to the ryder? I have already some units made but some remain, I may try to change that if people ask. For game purposes it don't make much difference, but I'd like to hear about it. Also Komninos, would like your opinion. Chek the latest screens with horses pls.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (dimitrios the samian @ Apr. 20 2004,07:40)] Tell me Antalis is there any info hints background etc on your mod anyware ?
Im looking forward to playing it soon as I think my Burgundians after 50 years ( Empire v2 )have bitten of to much and i will try to survive the horrific Papal and German onslought .
Try to survive, thats all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[mzocker]

When will the new version be out?

And what about the dead body's? In former version the killed soldiers are looking different. Will this be fixed?

[Brianbbj]

To Flip

I know that historical vice that the Romans had small horses, more looking like ponys, i have a great pic with a roman soldier standing besides his horse. so you have a comparison.

But finaly i don't know about the breed they used in the periods this game covers.

http://www.fflr.dk/tabletop/romanhorse.jpg

[flip]

Thanks Brianbbj,

I'm collecting some information on this subject to share with the org fans. The system that me and Komninos, by suggestion from Sir Moody, introduced for the mounted units, will permit to change type of horses because they, mount and rider, share the same bif.

I was looking for the MTW horses and I think, almost what is used its the same LiHorse, is a big one, medieval romantic style. A north european horse, well I'm not expert. Maybe because since I enter in HTW I was contaminated as result by the documents and sources.

So I build a horse not biger as the one in MTW, influenced by the pics and sources. Some tribes and people used ponys, and small horses. I'll check more on this.

[komninos]

I have seen these horses in a big zoo here in Athens, the plate read “Skirian Horse” and a good guess is due to the origin of those horses to the island of Skiros. They also clamed that this was most probably the main horses used by the Greek armies and in the armies of Alexander. Those horses were not ponies but not Arabian either. I am not a horse expert but they looked like medium size about 1,8m to 2,0m tall but sturdy horses more of an all terrain, all workload breed that a pure race horse. These differ a lot form the horses of the Midle ages when cross birds were produced by mixing the Arabian horses with this or the northern horses. Actually the many early pictures depict the Germanic knights on ponies.

For HTW I think the size of the horses used is OK for all nations except the Persians that should have Arabian type horses (tall and slim). I am thinking also for Skythan horse archer unit that will also need a different horse (Steppe Horse).

BTW flip I would like to see what you will do about the camel unit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[uksiu]

Gentelmen,

I would like to share my impression about the battle I fought in HTW (latest version). Sorry for long post :)
I played HTW for the first time on the highest level of difficulty (I suppose it's an expert). I took Persians to try conquer all Greece as soon as possible (it was classical age).

First year of playing I prepared to war with Lydians, who had long border with me and shared with me Asia Minor.
Second year I attacked 2 provinces and outnumbered the enemy (he gave me theese lands). Paralelly I started fighting on seas with lydian fleet (to cut off money from trade).
Third year I took another 2 lands without fight (but Lydians stayed in forts).

---

Forth year I took the rest of Lydia, except Efez. The enemy concentrated there 6,300 men:
27 x Lydian Archers (3456) - good in melee
15 x Lydian Heavy Infantry (1800) - heavy spearmen, with tight armor and good morale
9 x Lydian Heavy Cavalry (720)
2 x Hippies Akostis (160) - light horse javeliners
2 x Lydian Royal Guard (160)

1040 horsemen (160 archers) and 5250 footmen (3456 archers) was commanded by lydian king (the name was from Viking Invasion :-) with 5 stars of command.

I decided to atack at once to keep initiative. I sent all forces I had. Of course I left units besieging forts, so I had small reserves for any possibility.

My army was commanded by general with 4 stars (satrapa of ex-lydian capital province - Saris?). His name was Eoganan, I think it's celtic ;-)
I attacked with 9,160 men:
22 x Sparabaras (2816) - men with bows and large shields, better in melee than Lydian Archers
19 x Kardakes (2280) - anti-cavalry, rather defensive units
9 x Nubian Spearmen (1152)
5 x Immortals (640) - excellent units, elite fighters and archers in one
1 x Lydian Heavy Infantry (120)
8 x Medanite Cameliers (640) - archers on camels
8 x Persian Horse Archers (640) (Prsian Horce Archers ;-) - very good in melee and charge
9 x Persian Royal Guard (720) - elite of course

It created group of 640 cameliers (all archers), 1360 horsemen (640 archers) and 7160 footmen (3456 archers).

I predominated:
- in total number of soldiers: 1.45:1
- in footmen: 1.36:1
- in horsemen and cameliers: 1.92:1
- in archers and javeliners: 1.13:1

Remembering the superiority of lydian commander (2 stars more than my) and his prevelage of defence (terrain was hilly with a couple of forests) - it was well balanced fight.

---

Lydian king used mixed forces with 8 units of Lydian Archers, so I decided to assault them at once. I took for the first wave all my heavy cavalry with 4 units of Persian Horse Archers.

I almost finished the battle in 15 minutes. Almost.
In the chaos of battle a part of my units was surrounded by reinforcements of enemy.

I regrouped my forces, take reinforcements and started attacking. It takes me about 4 hours...
One wave after another were killed or retreated from the map. At the end I had only archers units. Sparabaras have large shield, so I tried to fight with bows. After a while my enemy took all forces and attacked. My archers were trying to fight, but they start running. And about 15 minutes before the end I was thinking The battle is lost.

But almost at the edge of the map on my side, I took the rest of my reinforcement (unfortunately - archers :-).
I regrouped my men, put them in defense formation and start shooting the nearest enemy units. Lydians stopped, trying shoot arrows back to me, but I had more archers - all my units were archers :)
So enemies started to waveing... and I took initiative. I commanded to attack - 5 minutes before the end of time.
And all my archers started to run on the enemy, who couldn't stay without fear. Lydians were retreating and when time was up, the victory was mine

I've lost 6692 men (73%). Lydians have lost 4216 killed and 208 imprisoned (70%). My army has lost 3 satrapes (governors).

It was the biggest and the longest battle I have ever fight in single player campaign, including STW, MTW, MTW+VI and Napoleonic Total War. As epic as persian wars were - if I can it imagine.

For creators of HTW - many thanks for your work
For readers of this post - thanks for patience :-)

[crackity jones]

WoW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif A great battle

I wait summer to start to play this great mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Sometimes I enter this forum to see the great maps and units that you are doing. Great work guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,
I finally got my new VGA so yesterday I was able to appreciate flips work in all it splendor for the first time in 1280x1024. Have to get some pics to you guys it was fantastic.

I fought a number of battles that were very interesting.
1. Persians Vs Lydians
This was the light army of the Persians Vs Lydian army. Some units have changed and I will explain them
Persians
2 x Persian Royal guard
2 x Persian Skythed chariots
2 x Sparabara (these have changed the have the pavice shield (sparabara) and a spear only they are to protect the archers behind them)
6 x Persian Archers (light archers with very good bows)
2 x Immortals
2 x Kardakes (these use the violin type shield now, heavier than the sparabara in all aspects)
Lydians
3 x Lydian Royal Guard
3 x Lydian Heavy Cavalry
4 x Heavy Lydian Infantry
4 x Lydian Archers
2 x Javelin Hippies

Deployment
I deployed in typical Sparabara formation
2 x Sparabara in 3 rows deep
6 x Persian Archers behind them
2 x Immortals in 4 rows deep basically covering the center behind the archers
2 x Kardakes covering the flanks of the Archers (one form each side)
2 x Persian Royal guard behind the Kardakes
2 x Persian scythed chariots to cover the flanks

Lydians moved there cavalry to attack my flanks only to find that the chariots were a deadly opponent but finally managed to root one of my chariot units but I have masked there retreat with a flank attack of the royal guard. Tough the first wave was with the Javelin hippies the second was with Heavy cavalry and the third with the Royal guard. To support my small numbers in cavalry I moved in the nearby Kardakes in that helped till his Heavy Lydian Infantry came.
All this time archer fire was in the form of blanked. I had a total of 960 archers. The Lydian archers were disimated and the Sparabaras could take all they had with out much problems. Finally he moved for the dead center 2 x Heavy Lydian Infantry covered by what ever was left of his archers and the generals Lydian Royal Guard.
They were decimated on the way but they reached my Sparabaras. Battle was brutal but the Sparabaras held there ground (that was the order).
Finally the flank gave in and two Royal guards and one chariot unit moved forward hunting the rooted units. In the center things were not that good and the Sparabaras were taking casualties. I moved the Royal guard and the chariots and attacked the Lydian archers on both flanks. That led to a massive root, that left the Lydian general and a heavy Lydian infantry unit fighting in the center. My other royal guard unit smashed in there rear and that was the end of it.
What was nice thing here is that the heavy Lydian army was decimated by archer fire. I have tuned down the effectiveness of the missiles from V.2.1. So a Second experiment was needed.

[komninos]

The second battle was on the same map again Persians Vs Lydians but it had mostly common units than special forces

2. Persians Vs Lydians
This was the light army of the Persians Vs Lydian army but no special units
Persians
2 x Persian Skythed chariots
4 x Sparabara
10 x Persian Archers (light archers with very good bows)

Lydians
2 x Lydian Royal Guard
2 x Lydian Heavy Cavalry
6 x Heavy Lydian Infantry
6 x Lydian Archers

Deployment
I deployed in a deep Sparabara formation
2 x Persian Archers 4 rows deep
2 x Sparabara in 3 rows deep behind them
6 x Persian Archers behind them
2 x Sparabara in 3 rows deep behind the archers
2 x Persian Archers 4 rows deep behind them
2 x Persian scythed chariots to cover the flanks of the second Archer line.

He move slowly for my center almost immediately. His heavy horses went for the flanks of the formation while the Royal guard remained with the infantry. The heavy horses were wiped out at the flanks but this time the main battle took place in the center. The heavy archer fire filled the battle field a total of 1200 archers moaned down the cavalry and infantry units. He finally reached the center, I withdrew the front archer line in the rear and now the Sparabaras were feeling the heat. I smashed his archers with the chariots. By this time the battle was heating up in front of the Sparabaras but they were holding (barely). I caved in and attacked with the chariots and his General rooted. A massive root was instant but I opened the chariots so they can retreat and regroup. His army regrouped in small broken and scattered formations in the archer range. That was the end of it they slowly rooted one by one under heavy Archer fire.

[flip]

Great Komninos http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Happy for your new VGA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[flip]

Lydian Cavalry, one of my favorites. The man is smaller now.

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h80.jpg

[Brianbbj]

Time for elephant now flip :-)
(borrow RomeMod 2.0's elephant)

[1dread1lahll]

Is this mod avaiable yet? ive got the 1st one; but what is the 2nd version?

[Antalis::]

The screenshots you can see here are from the new update/version, which is in developement at the moment.


Aviable is v21:

Look at our website in the downloadsection:

http://www.hellenictotalwar.com/


Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Duke Malcolm]

I have finally installed your add-on into my MTW, and what an add-on it is, although it seems I have accidentally 'misplaced' certain files...must get on with that then.

P.S. Can't wait for next version.

[uksiu]

Yuppi

I've finished my first campaign in HTW (the latest relase).
Persian victory (2/3 of provinces) in 19 years. On the top level of difficulty and in classical age

Damn, I'm good... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
But Macedonians were really tough guys - I've lost about 25,000 people taking 4 theirs lands.
____

Now I can go to earn some money, finish my school and spend some time with my family http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Is there any chance for the next release of HTW in the nearest future? What is in the schedule of my favourite creators?

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

At the end Of this Month (well thats the plan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Sir Zack

[uksiu]

So, I have one week for my job, school and social life http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Could you tell us what did you planned to change/develope/update?

[komninos]

Hi all,

Don't get too exited ... we are a bit stalled again ... external reasons. Plus we have to get the Beta testers on it and then a public release so you will not have the problems you had till now.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom let me know when you are ready i will be on a holiday in May but i will pass on the dates to Antalis or Flip ok.At least around untill the first week of May...

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[crackity jones]

Hi, great developers. One question:

Are the units that flip are doing only for the new campaigs of the new updates or will appear in the campaigns of the released version too?

I know that perhaps you don´t understand my english. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[komninos]

Hi crackity jones,

Well I could make a small patch that would be fitted on top of the existing version BUT too. The problem is WEB space at the moment. Zimoa do you have ~12-15MB of space for a Unit Beta patch for the Beta team?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom,i have around 500 Mb storage and 10 gb datatransfer/month ready for HTW it will cost us a little but i will take care of that.

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Brianbbj]

Making a new Beta tester patch, would be a good idea, then the beta testers can find some bugs, and report back, and then the most obvious bugs are removed when you compile the full download, then you don't have to upload new version of the big files and make several fix patches, right away.

also more easy to test parts of the game, becouse then the beta testers would focus on the new stuff in the mod, instead of just gettting the full package, and maybe missing some erros becouse of lack of overview...

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom if you give the green light i can have the team up and running in a day or two,i will only open up webspace when you say you want to begin the testing so that all is ready to host the new +200Mb HTW version ourselves.I will use another server for just the HTW files and leave the HTW site where it is hosted now,it is working fine as it is.

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom i understand a small unit-update to have a look and feel for some of the new units but the files will be so incomplete that for proper testing that will be useless i strongly advise a full version(although maybe incomplete) would be much better we need to install everything on a fresh and new install of MTW:VI v2.1 so we can spit through the files.If we use a small update most of the people will not have a clue what to report and what is a bug or just missing let alone figure out what is causing a CTD.

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Brianbbj]

Yes, count zimoa, i can see your point, there are no need to have an uncomplete version, becouse of you don't know if its just missing or a bug.

anyway im still hoping that you will finished it for beta testing this weekend, becouse as you know i have applied for beta testing and i have ALOT of time next week....

hope i don't lay to much preasure on you ;-]

[komninos]

Hi All,

Zimoa,
It is not so incomplete the Beta will include the new unit graphics new campaign texts and the new production files. There is a lot of testing in there to do. I can complete this beta on Sunday morning most of it was compiled for the first test of Antalis so little small fixes here and there and put in the new files. I just finished the Lydian and Persian cavalry units so there are only a couple of more Bifs for flip to do to close HTW units. I will mail you when I am ready to upload so Beta testers can start this week.

Now, something for you all. I was thinking on some new units so they have started to take form and this is the first one.
Dasian Romfeofori, these Dasian warriors use the Romfea a small pole-arm similar to the Nagitana only shorter. These are fierce warriors with many capabilities though the absence of any shield or armor makes them very vulnerable to missiles.

The second was the transformation of the Thracian Thureofori, they appeared later when the Thracians contacted the Celts namely the Galatans. Now we have the Thracian Romfeofori. Similar to Dasian ones but less arrogant, they use a Pelti and a javelin similar to the pertast. They come from the Thracian minor nobility and use some armor.

The Dasian Romfeofori

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Image1.png

Charging

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Image2.png

On this poor Illyrian War-band

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Image3.png

And these Illyrian spearmen

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Image4.png

On another occasion facing their Thracian counter part ... many died by the Thracian javelins

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/Image5.png

Sorry for the image sizes but I didn't wont to spoil them in JPG format

[mzocker]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif


MUST HAVE

[Lt Mor]

I Install the mod but I cant play it.
the game full back to windos after the time you select a function ...

I did the convert to TGA ...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

[Antalis::]

Have you used Irfanview for this?

If not, use this software to convert the tgas.


and have you put the eng-loc files into your language folder?
If you have not the english version of course.

[Lt Mor]

I used the Irfanview.

And I use the english version.

Do I need to Reinstall the game ?

I use : C:\Total War\Total War
to this Mod

I have the C:\Games\Total War to the Napolianic Mod.

When I start a game I see the New Logo screen and antil the point that yon need to start the campion its O.K.

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Quote[/b] (Lt Mor @ April 24 2004,10:20)]I used the Irfanview.

And I use the english version.

Do I need to Reinstall the game ?

I use : C:\Total War\Total War
to this Mod

I have the C:\Games\Total War to the Napolianic Mod.

When I start a game I see the New Logo screen and antil the point that yon need to start the campion its O.K.
Hmmm...
That C:\Total War\Total War command line looks strange. It should be typically something like C:\Program Files\Total War\ Hellenic - Total War or something.
Sorry, Try making the above folder (C:\Program Files\Total War\ Hellenic - Total War and downloading to that.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Sir Zack

[Antalis::]

Are you sure, that you´have converted every single jpg to tga? Or have you simply named the maptex.tga to maptex2.tga, with adding the 2?

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

To Count Zimoa of Flanders,
Sorry, I applied to Beta Test this butam now to busy, sorry but I wont be avaliable

Those new units look amazing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Sir Zack

[ChErNoByl]

so how close are you to the next release?

[Lt Mor]

I have converted Buth filets to Tga ...

I will reinstall the game & Mod again.

MTW --> patch 1.01 , VI + Patch --> Mod HTW + patch ...

[Antalis::]

@ChErNoByl:

Close, but not tomorrow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


@Lt Mor: You don´t need to install the MTW 101 patch, but yes, try it again.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom this is good news i will await your files when you are ready let me know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Gerousia,
please check this as i was preparing for the new update i made a new install of MTW:VI v2.1 and downloaded HTW Beta v2.1(and patch) from our own site(just like all the other people would do so i didn't use my old HTW files) seems to me we have a corrupt download problem i had to corrupt download file using WinRar it diagnosed ten files corrupt some portraits,Bif Textures and the upload screen so bad i couldn't even start the game after installing HTW(Downloaded it twice to be sure).Please check this all of you do as me make a new install of MTW:VI v2.1 and download the HTW files from the site.See if you have the same problem.I will get back to you on this....

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Thoros of Myr]

HTW...out...soon... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_fainting.gif

[Antalis::]

hey, zimo: Can you make a patch for the missing files?
So putting all 10 missing files in it?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

I erased my old files M8 it has to be you,Kom or Flip we need to notify Tosa Inu i rather have the files repaired than a patch really but as a emergency measure good idea,smart man you are Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Antalis::]

Behind the scenes I´ve asked Tosa to upload the HTW from 3D downloads to the mizus server a couple of days ago and so he did.
But it seems that also the HTW from 3D downloads has the same problem, I guess.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

BTW i will be away later today i posted a message on all forums about this problem,when you download HTW from the site and extract the files to a new folder WinRar will give you a diagnosis of what files are corrupt so you can pass it on yourself to Flip or Kom will you....

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

S...t it was my back-up plan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Well maybe one of you have some undamaged HTW v2.1 .rar packages on your disc i have only this corrupt one...

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

[Antalis::]

I have composed a patch for the corrupt files.

It will be aviable soon.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Ok we have made a Patch for the corrupted download files it is available at the HTW site in the Download section.We have tested it on a clean install and all works fine now,so just follow the instructions.Sorry for this inconvenience.

Gerousia:the HTW Team

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

Quote[/b] (Count Zimoa of Flanders @ April 24 2004,19:07)]Gerousia,
please check this as i was preparing for the new update i made a new install of MTW:VI v2.1 and downloaded HTW Beta v2.1(and patch) from our own site(just like all the other people would do so i didn't use my old HTW files) seems to me we have a corrupt download problem i had to corrupt download file using WinRar it diagnosed ten files corrupt some portraits,Bif Textures and the upload screen so bad i couldn't even start the game after installing HTW(Downloaded it twice to be sure).Please check this all of you do as me make a new install of MTW:VI v2.1 and download the HTW files from the site.See if you have the same problem.I will get back to you on this....

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif
So Thats why It didn't work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
(I had the same problem)
Can I have a link to a working version please?

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Sir Zack

[Sir Zack de Caldicot]

...Never mind, saw the new patch on your site

[Lt Mor]

I am at my wife parnts home...

So I will try the new install in 2-3 days.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

What you can do as a alternative is extract the HTW Beta v2.1 files to a folder outside MTW.
Look for the battle file give it a capital letter so rename it Battle.
Open the first patch extract the Textures and campmap files into that same outside folder so overwrite the old files.
Do the same with the new Patch this will have three files Textures,campmap and frontend_files.
Now Copy/Paste all the files into your new MTW:VI v2.1 install.
Convert the two MapTex and MapTex2 JPEG to TGA only using IrfanView.
Make sure you keep the unitsize to DEFAULT and all should work fine.


CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Brianbbj]

After seeing yet another person having problem with install, the developers should aim for only one big file who you can uncompress directly ontop of a medieval/Viking installation, just saying yes to overwrite.

only keeping the infraview conversion becouse of size/file format.

I just glad that i got a working installation, becouse with all those patched and renaming as it is now, then it must be like hell.

[Antalis::]

main file extracting, also patch1+2, converting: ready to play.

No renaming.

[flip]

Update, just to destress a bit. Persian Horse Archers, they shoot, fight, run... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h81.jpg

[Scipio]

Umm whats in this v2.1 download? Is this the BIG one with the new campaigns etc?

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Quote[/b] ]After seeing yet another person having problem with install, the developers should aim for only one big file who you can uncompress directly ontop of a medieval/Viking installation, just saying yes to overwrite.

only keeping the infraview conversion becouse of size/file format.

I just glad that i got a working installation, becouse with all those patched and renaming as it is now, then it must be like hell.


I totally agree but a little explanation first this corrupt download was only discovered recently and we had to figure out a quick way of dealing with it as we don't host the download files ourselves(this will be the case in the future).We could not repair them in the .Rar file so the patch is a good solution.Secondly as the next release is due to come changing the previous downloads sending them to Tosa Inu so he has to remove all the previous ones and putting a new link up as well changing the site for just a couple of weeks is to much trouble.Because we are planning to host the new version ourselves and moving all data to that host.As this hostserver is not active yet we are not going to do it now.The renaming is not really necessary only extracting all files will do but because of this corrupt download i wanted to be sure that people could finally enjoy HTW.

CZoF

[Brianbbj]

what are the ETA of the beta testing? as i have applied to do some testing it would be nice to hear :), i hope it will be this week, becouse i have lot of time this week :)

know im putting yet more pressure on your guys, but then again isent it nice to know people like your work?

[Antalis::]

At the moment I´m balancing the Historical battles: You will see for sure: Marathon, Thermopylae, Plataeae, Delium, Sphacteria, Mantinea 418 bc and Cunaxa in the next update http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif

Chaironeia, Issus, Gaugamela and Granicus will follow later.
I guess not in this update.

[flip]

Antalis, that will be nice, just I was thinking on this:

In the 2 next updates we will have the Peloponesian War and the Hellenistic era, as Komninos told.
You are making battles, Delium, Sphacteria, Mantinea and Cunaxa (401 BC)that will took place, some, in the Peloponesian War upcoming update. Remember that there will be new units that will appear just in that eras ( Late Hoplite, Sarissas, Yficratians and if Kom whant other light troops ). So, I ask my self, and also to Kom, how can we handle this? Is it difficult, Kom, to include in this next release those eras?

[Antalis::]

To all:

What do you think: Do you want to have the next campaigns and units one by one, or would you wait longer to get all at once?


I would prefer to wait a bit longer to have all at once.

[uksiu]

Longer is better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Longer time to prepare new release means more new stuff in new version and less complication with installation (and that means less problems and questions about installation, so creators should have more time to create new releases http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )

But I hope longer time it's not 10 months...

PS Is there a chance for pictures of assasins, emissaries etc.? During campaign if I look at pictures and descriptions of agents, I got crash to desktop. It's a little bit annoying...

[Antalis::]

Hmm, this portrait ctd should not happen: Maybe try to download HTWpatch 2 at our website.

About 4-5 corrupt files were portraits and also at least one assasin portait.

The patch 2 should fix this.


But here a pic of a battle in the landscape for Mantinea with the actual version of this battle:


https://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1471/htwfight1ca0.jpg

[Duke John]

Flip
I have some constructive critism on the models. I notice that the back of the shields are visible. Perhaps you like it, but IMO it's just wrong as nobody had emblems on the back of their shield. CA (and so do I) avoids this by having the right arm as the shield arm (when you look at a BIF then take the persons right arm), so the front of the shield will always be displayed and not the back. You have now placed it at the left arm, which is the logical thing to do, but since images are mirrored there is no real right or left arm, so forget logic...:inquisitive: ...if I wandered off to far, then: switch the shieldarm.

Do with this advise whatever you want, I do understand that your old animations are useless if you use the advice but perhaps you can use it for future animations.

Cheers, Duke John

[mzocker]

Wow, the units are looking so much better than the original from MTW + VI.

How long does it mean, when you say a little bit longer?

[Antalis::]

I don´t know, if we will release it in parts, but I prefer a full release with as many new campaigns as possible.

I don´t know how long it would take, but I hope not that long, but there would be many things to do before releasing. Lets see.

[mzocker]

one week, two weeks, one month?

[flip]

DJs, thanks for the tip, just 2 ideas.

Komninos is your man for this subject. The shields and weapons are not rendered with the soldiers. We use the coordinates system.We are thinking on use rendered shields in cases where is no room to draw shields in the bottom part of the bif.

We had other solution for the same problem, but it will take a lot of work. Just tell me, follwing your idea, how do you hide the back face of the shield in the back angle of the soldier? With hoplons is quite hard, they're monster shields.

What is funny is that I discovered in the last days some greek pics that give strongness to the back face painted shields theory, just they have different draws from the ones at the front face.

So, lets ear what Komninos may say about it. Thanks for launching the issue DJ.

[Topazmagic]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

I have been so looking forward to using this mod,and after 2 days of download after download, reading post after post for help I have hit a brick wall.

I initially downloaded the mod from the HTW site but a couple of files, one a map file, kept being corrupted. I read posts and followed some advice to download the mod from the 3D site. After 2 trys, and long waiting periods I got it and all files seemed fine.

Installed MTW+VI and patched to 2.01. Put on MOD followed by patch followed by corrupt files patch. Went into game and all seemed well, however when I come to the campaign map the Greek peninsula is in the top left hand corner but the map itself is showing the map of Europe with the icons for the mod floating on top.

I have converted the 2 map files a stated. What am I doing wrong, please can someone save me from the torment? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[Antalis::]

I guess you have saved the maptex-files into the wrong folder: They have to be saved into the Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder.

Then the HTW campaignmap should be playable.

[Topazmagic]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Thanks for the reply, the folder you refer too now has the following files 2 Maptex files, one a Jpeg and one a bitmap, and 2 Maptex2 files again one a Jpeg and one a bit ma................. mmm, just a sec............... sorry for waisting your time, as your instructions clearly say that the map file should be saves in TGA format, this I have now done and it works fine, please accept my apology for wasting your time, now to war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Topazmagic]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif

Hi again its me, I am now getting the following message which freezes up the game and eventually cause CTD:

ROYAL_PALACE2 has been declared as CATHOLIC, but its IMAGETYPE_ICONIC was requested from campmap
eview_paneluildingsORTHODOX and is not present there or in the root directory.
****Using default image****

as I said you can clear this and carry on playing but each time u right click aprovince, or try to build something it comes back and then after 2/3 times it CTD's, any suggestions? Thanks again in advance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I have tried to look for this image but it is not in any folders, only a Royal Palace image is.

[Thoros of Myr]

I fully support you guys in taking the time you need for a large and polished release.

[youone]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Hi
Back at last Just been catching up on all the new stuff FANTAS I.ve waited this long for the next version ,So I can wait a little more time.Just keep it comeing

[Antalis::]

@Topazmagic:


Visit our HTW website (http://www.hellenictotalwar.com/) and download the files:

patch and Patch for corrupt download files:


Extract both to your HTW v21 installation into the main directory of it.


Now you should´nt have this problem anymore.

btw: press space if this royal palace problem happens.

[Duke John]

Flip


Quote[/b] ]Komninos is your man for this subject.
Well, actually you are the man for this subject. If you animate the soldier with the rightarm held up high, then Komninos can only put a spear there as a shield will look odd. As a animator you need to consider which arm is going to be the shieldarm and that the shieldarm is always going to be the arm most close to the camera.


Quote[/b] ]We are thinking on use rendered shields in cases where is no room to draw shields in the bottom part of the bif.
I rendered my WotR models together with the weapons, and not only does it look better but it also avoids the uninspiring positioning of the items. So I would definitely do that if I were you.


Quote[/b] ]Just tell me, follwing your idea, how do you hide the back face of the shield in the back angle of the soldier? With hoplons is quite hard, they're monster shields.
You can use normal MTW soldiers as an example. When viewed at a 157 degree angle (the back angle) then you should make the shield very small. In reality you should be looking at the back but this is not possible with only a front.

Cheers, Duke John

[komninos]

Hi all,

To take things from the top.
I am agents a going on the Peloponnesian / Hellenistic age now. It will complicate things bring new things to worry about and also intermix with the upcoming RTW. It will also bring a serious delay in the release of the HTW that is so close now since most of the units are finished and we are almost ready for the first unit beta patch for the testers

The later introduction of the new campaigns will be error-proof since the self extracting zip will put everything you need in its place with no further intervention.

The shield thing is difficult. The main problem is that if you render the unit and the shield then you can only have one unit / bif folder that’s a big waist of space So it can only happen to similar units i.e. Skythic type units.

I had a solution that made the coordinate thing very difficult and complicated thus error intense. It needed a low resolution back face of a shield to be used. The unit would have two shields when the front face was visible then the it would occupy the usual shield coordinates When the back face was visible then the front face coordinates would turn in to 0s resulting in a non appearing shield. The rear face would be now visible and using the shield coordinates.

I can try but this is going to be very difficult to implement

[Duke John]

Displaying back and front of shields
Well it is possible if you want to stick to it which you apperently do (I still believe that the CA solution is the simplest/best). You can display the back and front of shield if you do the following:

1. Add a front and back image of the shield in the BIF.

2. In Shields.txt you should capture both images.

3. In UnitName_S.txt you write that the unit uses both shields (units can use 2 shields, just look at pavise crossbows).

4. In the Items\Shields folder you start with making 1 set of coordinates. Then copy the folder so that both shields have their own folder (for example Shield1 and Shield2).

5. Look at your animations and decide at what angle the front is visible. Go the front shield folder and whenever the front is no longer visible you add 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 (or all zeros, but I'm not sure wether that doesn't cause a crash).

6. Do the same for the back angle; nullify all the coordinates when the back is not visible.

If you have problems I can give you an example. This might even work and look good I think it's pretty easy to do and it looks more realistic, the only worries you might have is that the back shields will take more space in the BIF and that shields are not that recognisable from the back.

Good luck,
Duke John

[komninos]

My point exactly DJ. The problem is that it complicates things a lot And this might bring more errors i.e. during packing, or making

[Duke John]

Quote[/b] ]My point exactly DJ. The problem is that it complicates things a lot And this might bring more errors i.e. during packing, or making

No, you didn't understand me then My solution is far more easier than yours. In fact you can use the exact same coordinates that you are using right now, except for the deadeasy nullifying of coordinates when the front/back is not visible.
This does not bring any more errors when compared to normal positioning of shields.

Let's try again:

- Use an old set of coordinates.

- Add the back image of a shield in the unitBIF.

- The unit uses both the back and front shield, for example Shield1 and Shield2.

- When the front is visible then use the existing coordinates. When not visible then nullify the coordinates for that angle ONLY

- When the back is visible then use the existing coordinates. When not visible then nullify the coordinates for that angle ONLY

And now a bit abstract:
1
1
1
1
Stand for a set of coordinates. The front is only visible in the last 2 angles so:
0
0
1
1
The back is only visible is only visible in the first 2 angles so:
1
1
0
0
Ingame you will now have a front shield visible for the last 2 angles (22, 67 degrees) and the the backshield when viewing at the first 2 angles (112, 157 degrees). So combined:
0 + 1 = 1
0 + 1 = 1
1 + 0 = 1
1 + 0 = 1

Please read my other post again, and forget your own method while reading.

[Scipio]

btw happy b-day Komninos http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

KOM http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Topazmagic]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Thanks for the help Antalis.

[uksiu]

I finished my second campaign (expert level).
Using not-persian in classical age means hard and long playing.
I took Lacedemonians (Sparta).

BTW, I used the freshest patch (download without a problem) but I still had CTD when I looked at the description of emissaries (during campaign of course). Priest and spies worked fine - strange http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

[Antalis::]

Hmm, if there is really a problem, we will fix this for the next release.

[Antalis::]

A mapimage for a historical battle:

http://max45.250free.com/htw_thermopylae2.jpg


Thanks flip for the sepia tipp http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Scipio]

lol that is an amazing touch to that pic there Antalis, good job http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Antalis::]

Thanks Scipio http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif


Here another one:

http://max45.250free.com/htw_plataeae.jpg


btw: This is Plataeae, above is Thermopylae.

[Brianbbj]

yet another teaser...it is beginning to be a torture to see all those screen shots.

but WOW

[flip]

Nice ones Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Brianbbj]

hellenic music?

will the new version have new hellenic music?

anyway, i just hope that the new version is finished so i can play it 19-5-04, becouse then i have been seeing Troy.........

[flip]

Update, screen with Jav Hypies, and work in progress for.. bets?

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h82.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Tracian1.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/Tracian2.jpg

Ok, units for next release are almost done. Then we can, not a promise, think on heavy war machines http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,
Under heavy pressure and some extra thinking there is a small change in plans.
Flip wonted to see his Yficratian and late hoplites in the game, Antalis has a series of excellent historical battles in lace that demand later type units and many of you wonted some more time to play in late.

So now there is more time, last night I rebuilt the start pos files to extend the game. So these are the changes:
Early
Name : Geometric 100 – 250 (750BC – 600BC)
Starting conditions: Greeks in Asia Minor coastline, Phrygians on the decline, Lydians have most of Asia Minor
High
Name : Archaic 250 – 450 (600BC – 400BC)
Starting conditions: Greeks only in Greece, Lydians rule Asia Minor, Persians in the picture in the four Eastern provinces driving to Sardis with a huge force
Late
Name : Classical 450 – 550 (400BC – 300BC)
Starting conditions: Atheneans rule most of the Aegean and Asia Minor, Spartans control all of Peloponnesus the Ionian islands (under the Corinthians) with the exception of Argos. Macedonians have a good piece of land in the north.

New units needed for this are the Yficratian, Phalangites and companions. All Bif files are ready but I have to make the coordinate files :( Some more units will be needed for the Gastrafetis, Lithobolos for Late and a battering ram for All periods.

[Antalis::]

I´ve made new flags for some of the factions in the historical battles: So for Mantineians, Tegeans and so on.


http://max45.250free.com/HTW_flag1.jpg

[Brianbbj]

new faction ok nice.

Again can you please when releasing the new beta, PLEASE make descriptions for factions and units MUCH NEEDED.
anyway i think it would be no problem for you, becouse you already have studyed it all.

what i mean about description, is also, what the tactics of the differect cultures is, and there style of war and such.

why i also need a unit description is becouse that i simple can't overlook all the different types of hoplites.

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comment for the latest picture:

IS THAT AN ELEPHANT I SEE IN THE BACKGROUND?
:-) :-) .-):_);-) ;-)
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[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Brianbbj @ Apr. 30 2004,07:54)]new faction ok nice.

Again can you please when releasing the new beta, PLEASE make descriptions for factions and units MUCH NEEDED.
anyway i think it would be no problem for you, becouse you already have studyed it all.

what i mean about description, is also, what the tactics of the differect cultures is, and there style of war and such.

why i also need a unit description is becouse that i simple can't overlook all the different types of hoplites.

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comment for the latest picture:

IS THAT AN ELEPHANT I SEE IN THE BACKGROUND?
:-) :-) .-):_);-) ;-)
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Faction descriptions are done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif , thanks to Rosacrux http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


Ehm, no thats not an elephant http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .

Lets see.


New factions?:
They will only be seen in the historical battles: They are only allies of the factions of the historical battles.

[Brianbbj]

im sure im seeing an elephant here at my computer

OK OK just making some fun......

[Antalis::]

Marathon again:

http://max45.250free.com/HTW_fight5.jpg

[Scipio]

Is Kom on a b-day vacation or something? havent seen him around lately...

[Antalis::]

No http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif , he´s busy working on the mod

[komninos]

Hi all,

This is something we have been talking about some time ago and it is taking shape ...

Late Hoplites Front
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/LH-front.jpg

Late Hoplites Rear
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/LH-Back.jpg

Late Hoplites fighting (rear)

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/LH-fight.jpg

Hope you like what you see ... and I don't mean just the unit graphics ...

[Duke John]

I am glad you worked it out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Did you use my method or your own? I will probably add the technique of showing sides of a shield in the unitgraphics guide and I want to know which method is easiest.

Cheers, Duke John

[flip]

I like it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif hope there's room in all Bif units for back faces. That is a great add on.

[Brianbbj]

You guys are wizards maybe i should stop commenting every new picture there is posted, but i simply can't stop, im becomming somkind of HTW cheerleader hehe.

[Antalis::]

Thats great kom http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

The back faces looking now wonderful http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[komninos]

Hi DJ,
Can’t really say if there is a difference in your or my method. But it is risky and I should built a small Excel file that will do it risk free.

In the Bifs I made three shields two that I needed and one back face. In the shield file I made put the two shields and then made a series of dummy shields and in position 6 put the back face.

Once I had all the shield coordinates I made two folders one front and one back and copied all the coordinate files in there. Then I opened the files and put 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 to the equivalent points in the files, that is the back faces in the front views and front faces in the back views.

Then placed the files in the directory and gave the Late_Hoplites shields 1,6. Then placed the front face coordinates in Shields1 directory and the back face in Shields6.

That was the original idea we had but it carries the risk that you accidentally delete an valid face so you get a shield flashing

This will happen to all hoplite like units in the game with the condition I have space in the files to put the back face. In most files I do cause I have redundant shields so one of them will be used for the back face.

DJ you can use all this in the unit guide if you can’t get the pics I can send you the links

[Duke John]

Ok then. I will add this technique in the guide. Thanks for testing it out, it works perfectly

Cheers, Duke John

[Julius Caesar]

I like those late hoplite models. There hella nice

[Antalis::]

Hi:

I only wanted to say that I have not much time at the moment, so if you have a question ask komninos or flip.

btw: Currently I´m reworking the portraits and have much to do in my real life.
So don´t worry if I don´t reply to a question.


cheers:

Antalis

[Spartacus]

i can't wait for this mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
kominos will it have a self-install i go crazy over extractions and any more info or pics will be welcomed

[Antalis::]

One more thing:

Don´t simply extraxt the patches to HTW:

Make this:
Extract the patches to a temporary folder and copy all files in the patches and paste them to HTW.
Files like campmap-folder, Battle-folder and so on.

[ChErNoByl]

wow those hoplites look much better with the fixed shields.

Can't wait.

[Antalis::]

So the portraits are updated.

In the next version you will also have new portraits for Northtribes and cultures like Persians, Pyrigians and Lydians.

Also the greek portraits have been reworked.

http://max45.250free.com/portraits2.jpg

[Brianbbj]

great its small stuff like this that really captures the mood

along with good unit descriptions ;-)

[1dread1lahll]

is it soup yet?

[komninos]

Hi all,

This new unit is the most expected unit for HTW. I can’t hide the fact that I was very reluctant to use it due to the TW constraints but it all appears to be going well so you will get it in the later years for the Persians only.

Now thanks to Flips effords we have the Elephant working

The size of the unit is just 16 but it can cause significant damage if supported. If they are left alone they will be eliminated by and rooted especially if they face a Pike unit They will not be as powerful as you expect them to be

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/eleph1.jpg

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/eleph2.jpg

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Absolutely badass http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[ParthianWarrior]

AMAZING Just pure Badass Indeed

[Scipio]

you guys have seriously pushed the borders on TW.....And I love it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[flip]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Yes, Komninos is right. We wont get elephants turn around to is own troops and cause disrupting there. But... thanks to Komninos skills we wouldn't like to miss the chance to include the beasts.

Well, this was the surprise for all.

Expect some reluctance from horses in attack them. Its the smell... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

Can't we push a little forward in dates and include a tower elephant for Successors battles? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ChErNoByl]

must... have .... HTW...

[TigerVX]

AGH WHY DO YOU TAUNT US WITH THESE AWSOME CHARIOTS AND ELEPHANTS I'M GONNA GO CRAZY WAITING FOR THE NEW UPDATE AGGHGHHH SJHDNWHNHSD *Foam at mouth.*

Seriously though, the new update looks AWSOME. I can't believe how you got all this stuff to work, considering Chariots and Elephants where never meant to be in the MTW engine. The new BIFs look awsome, I think the persians look alot more exciting now that they have custom BIFs rather then MTW ones. I can't wait http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

[Brianbbj]

HA Flip i knew i've seen elefants WAY behind on some of your sceenshots (just kidding).

GREAT GREAT GREAT.

I can't express how much respect i have for you guys doing all this work, if other mod teams would work this hard, we would be swimming in new mods.

anyway, they question again. When do you release new update? a month? 2 months?, 6months?

[Julius Caesar]

Thank you For the elephants i cant wait

[Thoros of Myr]

Elephants...Wow...just WOW

Again you guys have raised the bar of what is possible with the game.

Have a nice cool one on me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Myrddraal]

Quote[/b] (Brianbbj @ May 10 2004,01:22)]I can't express how much respect i have for you guys doing all this work, if other mod teams would work this hard, we would be swimming in new mods.
Its not that Brianbbj its just that my Wheel of Time mod doesn't have any gods of modding on the team, their all too busy making HTW. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

And I'm not exaggerating, u guys are amazing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[flip]

Just more 3 screens(no weapons)with the beast http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Don't get excited with the mass of elephants, as Kom said, units will have 16 size

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/e1.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/e2.jpg

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/e3.jpg

[neogerry]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Nomad]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
I love you guys.

[CrownOfSwords]

Eagerly awaiting this release http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-lost.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif

[flip]

Ok, last Cav unit, Thracians

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h83.jpg

[flip]

And this...?

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h84.jpg
NTW team and Lord Krazy help me handling with the LBM deadpage graphic file. A tough one this. Guess what I'm thinking...?

[BarkingBeagle]

Oh my God.

You guys are amazing. Amazing. Really, ridiculously amazing. I'd given up all hope of ever seeing chariots in Medieval, and those elephants look ...
Wow. I just can't express how cool this next release of HTW is looking to be. I'm salivating over it. Slobbering.

[Psyco]

I


LOVE


YOU


THAT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING
And... done with Caps Lock.
But seriously, wow MUST HAVE
Hrmmmm...
(note to self, start using good sentences)
That looks great. I just have too know, when is it coming out?

[ShadesWolf]

So when do we get the latest up date then guys ?

[BarkingBeagle]

Oh, yeah. When is the update? I'm slobberin' over that...

[CrownOfSwords]

All i have to say is.. wow.. and I have a question I cant get Hellenic Total war to work on this comp.. I have VI I install the 2.0.1 patch... cant figure out whats wrong it just quits when loading I know about changing the JPG to TGA ive got this game to work on my computer before.. dont know why it wont now..

[komninos]

Hi,

Since you had it once play I think you can make it again ;)
If the single battles are working then most probably it is an error in the conversion of the TGA. Not all TGA formats are compatible with the MTW. Try Irfanview.

Now it might need one of the patches but since you had it once before there is a good chance you have them too.
But it would be good if you go a few pages back it is certain you will find one of the Antalis installation debugging conversations that will prove right for you.
Sorry for this but a good 20 pages are devoted on installation instructions and I don’t wont to get in to that once again. So please make a search or mark some pages ... I will go back and try to dig out some of that stuff.
But please lets not drag this more.

Thanks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
yet another map conversion problem page -68- (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=27;t=16215;st=1675)
Question on dowload site page -70- (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=27;t=16215;st=1725)
No corrupted download page -71- (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=27;t=16215;st=1750)
page -72- (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=27;t=16215;st=1775)
page -73- (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=27;t=16215;st=1800)
page -74- (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=27;t=16215;st=1825)

[CID007]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Hello guys,
I follow this forum since many time, and i've seen that there's a lot of work around the new release of HTW, then, i've prefered to not disturb asking you more than you are just doing.
But, there are other guys, in an another italian forum, that are longingly waiting the new release of HTW, so i wish to give them, approximately, a date or a period in which the new release of HTW will go out.... can you say me when it will be released ?
Thank you very much for all you can do, and congratulation for the execellent work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

See you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

El Cid.

[DeadRunner]

i have to take the new version

[komninos]

Hi CID007,
Can’t say a definite time since we have made some major changes in the HTW that now spans from 750BC till 300BC with the Late period starting at the Peloponnesian war period.
I can tell you that the units are ~90% done and are on the final refinements for the first Beta unit pack. Thought this might not have the final Sarissa and Yficratian units as BIFs but an older version will be used instead till I get the stupid coordinates down.
A full beta might make it till the end of May. Sorry for the delay but we have come a full circle remaking the units about 2 time since flip started and some other things have appeared too.

Trust me ... you have seen nothing yet. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Robert the Bruce16]

HOLY GOD

Did I just see chariots and elephants in MTW? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif WOW THAT IS F@#%ING AWESOME

You guys are great I am so getting this when it comes out

[flip]

Two updates, new formations battle icons, dead bodys for the elephants instead of horses, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif )

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/h85.jpg

[neogerry]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Ypoknons]

Umm... yikes Very impressive http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif A shame that they won't block movement, will they?

While speaking of engine limitations, how is the behavior of the elephant be modelled? I mean like will they get high or low morale, or else low to medium morale with discinplied/elite status?

I think I am also curious about their role in battle as melee troops or archers, but that is clearly too many questions.

[Julius Caesar]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

[Brianbbj]

I just wanna see how the AI will handle the elephants......

[King Azzole]

Can someone please put all links to latest files on post #1? Its aggravating having to dig through so many pages to find the DLs. Thanks should only take 2 mins of your time and help us save hours of ours.

[komninos]

Hi all,

Working, working, working, ...
Here is an update ... if you see anything you like it is OK still working on them.
pic-1 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/castle-1.jpg)
pic-2 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/castle-2.jpg)
pic-3 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/castle-3.jpg)
pic-4 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/castle-4.jpg)

King Azzole, I will try to do that ...

[King Azzole]

OK good deal. BTW looks superb. Any chance of the Trojans being in the game in the earlier dark period?

[TigerVX]

Its just all so great This mod will hold me off till RTW I believe. Just wondering, Will the Legionares be in the next beta, or is that still a side project for now?

[flip]

Some updates, first the new game end/win image, each shield different for each faction. Here's Corinthians.
For game end/lost game I see this 3 files in MTW folder:
game_end_eastfactions.BIF
game_end_islam.BIF
game_end_westfactions.BIF
komninos or others, i just have to deal with those 3 files for HTW, right?
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/end.jpg
Ok, I think HTW must have non medieval formations/orders icons. Tell me what you think? Some others like Reinforcements and kill captured will change.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/formations.jpg

[komninos]

Hi flip,

Excellent work for both I like them.
Can’t really say what is needed for the game end ... I know that there is also some text files that need changing ...

King Azzole, Trojans will be in the Bronze Age mod along with other nations.

TigerVX, The Legionaries are a side project still. They are not for the period covered and I do wont to get the HTW as it is now out first

BTW ... No one has seen the pictures http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif or no one notices any thing different about them ... at least in one of them????

[TigerVX]

Quote[/b] (komninos @ May 16 2004,10:12)]BTW ... No one has seen the pictures http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif or no one notices any thing different about them ... at least in one of them????
Nah man, they look awsome. This mod is developing even better then any others. Its a complete conversion. I bet soon you'll be doing your on voice overs =P.

[ShadesPanther]

komninos: the dead bodies everywhere? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom,happy to be back and yes those pics look great
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Antalis::]

Hi zimo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Nice to have you back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


Hope you had nice holidays http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[King Azzole]

OK played this a few times. I noticed major unbalanced units. Spartan hoplites are 360 florin to maintain but you can pay about half that and get the same type of unit alittle less powerful that takes an 4th of the time to train.

Also they start poor as hell, you gotta attack immediately to win.

I suggest you incrrease province incomes, start with less buildings and units for slow progression. And please fix spelling errors. I know my spelling sucks also but there are some horrid spelling errors in the game.

Edit : Please dont take this the wrong way this looks very promising and you guys did amazing job so far Just would like to see it balanced http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Antalis

Hi soldier http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif speak to you soon on MSN

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

[Brianbbj]

You think Spartans are weak?
I think spartans are totaly crazy to beat...
They have access to the best hoplite in the game, and they can have them very early, so they can beat the crap out of everyone.

I played the spartans when i was outnumbered 5:1 and easyly won the battle.

[BarkingBeagle]

I'm sure a lot of the balancing will have been done when the next version of HTW comes out (with chariots, elephants ... yummie)
Mind you, if balancing the game isn't done already and will delay the release date... Don't do it I want elephants, yes... Lovely elephants... Oooh... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-blush.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,

Well nobody noticed that there were a couple of Ballistae in the castle siege ... well that’s no news for the MTW but for the HTW ... yes you are going to have them but under the name Euthitonon that was the name used for them along with Gastrafetis and Oxivolos we are working on them at the moment. They will be available in late period only to the Greek factions.
I am also thinking for the Boeotean engine - similar to flame thrower - using the naphtha bomb.
King Azzole we are using new descriptions ... I am the most horrifying speller ... any way when it is out you can have a go at the text files in the LOC\ENG folder.
You are right about the Spartans. In the Early period they are just the most Dorian of the Dorian people. The top honcho are the Argives (Argeans) who invented the Phalanx way of war. Till the Spartans develop some power they will have to fight it out hard with there brotherly neighbors the Argeans and there hated enemies the Messineans. In fact they had to fight two wars with the Messineans to win in the second one. But later (in high period) they will be really powerful.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Kom i will send you a free spell-checker that will integrate with Internet Explorer. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Spartacus]

any idea when the mod will be released a few ideas to keep up with the competion

self-install your biggest rival napolen total war has one
and your game looks miles better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
new music would be cool and n:tw has it
new maps of course

and persians have elephants
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif it would be good to have them in other factions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[King Azzole]

I just think its insane the spartans start with losing 4000 florin a year from the getgo. I might have turned unit size up higher though maybe thats why... Not sure but it seems very hard, like your forcing people to war immediately. Just thought it would be funner if you had just a handful of basic buildings and little units and had to build your city/state from scratch. perhaps in the bronze age mod?

[flip]

Update, icons for buildings, historical researching almost

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/m1.jpg

[Spartacus]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif wicked this looks brillant

[AminMaalouf]

AD 409, that makes the church building understandable. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Scipio]

Very nice guys O and happy b-day Rosacrux http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif

[Antalis::]

Yes, happy birthday Rosacrux http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif

[flip]

are you there Rosy ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif

[Steppe Merc]

Wow. First time I looked at it, and amazing. Um... where can I download it? I really don't want to sift through almost 80 pages to find the most recent download, but will if it's the only way to get my hands on this mod. Can't wait for the elephants

[Robert the Bruce16]

I just saw Troy on Sunday and it was awesome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Will there be a Mycenaen period on HTW and will the Trojans be a playable faction?

[Steppe Merc]

Wow. Just downloaded it, and playing as Macedons. Wow. Brillant work. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[[{LgtDiv}] Lord Thindigital]

Greetings from all at NTW :D

I must say gentlemen, that these screenshots look great, both the unit and interface graphics show you have a strong design team and some great ideas

Antalis - im liking your new historical battle map images, a great idea i am inspired
Flip and unit team - the new chariots and elephants are really looking great - what a triumph for MTW modding...

so, some questions, will there be period music to add to the atmosphere?
will the upcoming beta have a self install feature?

very well done

kind regards

LTD

[komninos]

Hi Lord Thindigital,

Due to the map thing (Size) we have scraped the music though it is in our thoughts. Though making a cyclic music that will work properly with the MTW engine will need the use of a musician that will actually compose it. I am thinking on some Greek adlibs using fraises form satiric plays or Tragedies but this will take long to make.

The transform of the map TGAs to JGP format due to size problems (the v.2.1 would have been +200MB download with out the JPG transformation) it is really impossible to make a self installer with out someone coding it. Zimoa has pointed me to an installer that I will have to check before I use it to pack things up. I would rather have a self extracting RAR file at the moment. A self installer is something I am thinking about for a long time but I am still skeptic. (Just an other point introduce bugs)

BTW ... there is no “unit” team ... It is just the four of us,
Zimoa - Web developer / moderator
Antalis - Map maker and Historic Battles
Flip - (all aspect) Graphics Designer
Komninos - Well that just me.

====================================================
Robert the Bruce16,

When HTW will be out and we all have a nice brake Bronze age TW will start forming. Trojans will be there but probably as a prelude to the Phrygian kingdom along with Mycenaean, Minoan, Pelasgian, Ionean, Dorian and others. A new maps is almost 50% ready for it ... can’t tell more about it.

[Antalis::]

Hi [{LgtDiv}] Lord Thindigital:


Thank you.


I thought that Historical battle map images should differ from normal maps so I made those special map images.

I´m sure the historical battles that are in developement for NTW will be great.


greetings:

Antalis

[Rosacrux]

Hi laddies, thank you for your greetings regarding my B-day (read: the most important day in the entire human history http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

Been absent for a day and with sparse access for the most of the week due to RL (read: job) overload.

But managed to pull a nice party with lots of booze and heaps of girls (and my wife http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif for seing them all around http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif )

[NSG]

Hey ppl

I installed the HTW mod, or unzipped the 3 files actually. Changed the jpg's to TGA's in paintshop pro 8 and then i started it up, left the default size on the units as it is.
put my resolution on 1024*768 (for testing) and then selected a campaign, selected a faction.

Now when i select start campaign, it goes to my desktop anybody knows why and how to fix this? I installed the extra CTD patch also..

(ps. turned virus progs off also)

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Only use IrfanView for the conversion of JPEG to TGA or you will have CTD's,a link to this freeware program is at the HTW site.

@Rosacrux http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif


CZoF

[Antalis::]

@To all who asked about a selfinstaller:

There will be one.

Count Zimoa of Flanders will make such an installer for the mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Myrddraal]

Count Zimoa can u post a link to the download for Irfanview, cause my connection is so slow I wait for years for ur site to load... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif

It might be an idea to make a second site with less images and effects for the use of slower computers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

I made a self-installer for testing using our current public version HTW v2.1 Beta.It contains all files and patches,has a uninstall option that works,it will also automatically create a HTW desktop icon and start-up links in your taskbar.Converting JPEG files to TGA is also not needed anymore,ASA i have our new server up i will upload it and change the install links and instructions on the HTW site.So all the old install problems should be over.The file size will be around 63 Mb though.So i'me looking for some ways to compress them also because i will use this for our next version,but be a little patient we are working hard on it,the new version will be around 250 Mb so just wait and see...


CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[komninos]

OK here is a litle something to set you off ...
This is what is coming http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
This is going to be a long one ...

Pic-1 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-1.jpg) Pic-2 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-2.jpg) Pic-3 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-3.jpg)
Pic-4 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-4.jpg) Pic-5 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-5.jpg) Pic-6 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-6.jpg)
Pic-7 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-7.jpg) Pic-8 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-8.jpg) Pic-9 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-9.jpg)
Pic-10 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-10.jpg) Pic-11 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-11.jpg) Pic-12 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-12.jpg)
Pic-13 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-13.jpg) Pic-14 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-14.jpg) Pic-15 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-15.jpg)
Pic-16 (http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/units-16.jpg)

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

To Myrddraal:

IrfanView link

http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html

CZoF

[Steppe Merc]

Hey, for the next release will you have heroes? You can add some with Kataar's hero editor, found at this site. http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....t=18073 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=5&t=18073)
It would be more fun with better generals. You probably don't have time, but just asking.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Ok the old HTW v2.1 Beta version is now available as a selfinstalling program,check the HTW site.The file size is about 65 Mb,i downloaded it with a fast connection in less than 10 minutes.

Have fun

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Idomeneus]

First, I would just like to complement you all on an excellent mod. For a long time now I've been looking for just such a game set in hellenic Greece.

I experienced no problems with the installation or CTD issues that so many people seemed to have had. I only encountered one glitch: in battle, dead soldiers immediately disappear. I've been reading other posts and it doesen't appear to be a common problem.

Thanks in advance...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[flip]

Update, new info pics

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/if1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/if2.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/if3.jpg

[Scipio]

I really like the shrine Very good job Flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

BTW what specs will this monster of a game need>? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

If you cannot reach the site this must be temporarily,no bandwidth problem for sure,and the site is not the problem,it must be the main host-server because i myself cannot exit the service now,so try again later.

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Gen_Lee]

Tks, time to download and play http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Krakra]

After reading many posts about HTW, I salivatingly downloaded the mod, installed it (and moved medieval.cfg into main HTW directory) and double-clicked .... nothing. Just the starting picture of VI. I uninstalled (which also did not work properly as Prince45.tga refuses to be deleted) and reinstalled again in another folder in the MTW main folder... Still nothing Help please ....

[Antalis::]

You don´t need to move medieval.cfg anywhere (only if you have the turning to another year bug).

Install HTW v21 to a fresh MTW VI201 installation.


If you don´t have the english version read the instructions at the HTW site in the downloadsection.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Using the self-installer you get install instructions BEFORE the install again a readme AFTER the install and again all instructions are on the HTW site in the downloads section.So please people READ,THINK and than when you still have problems post here.
Thank you...

CZoF

[Brianbbj]

I have been trouble figuring out Greek time lines, and how they where supported in the mod.

I have found out the following about timelines:
Mykenian (spelling), from 1650 BC - 800 BC
Hellenic: 800BC - 338BC
Hellenistic: 338BC - 148BC

I have been confused by a few terms and questions:

That greek Dark age, when was that?

and when was Greek Bronze age?

is there really a Hellinic and a Hellenistic time, or is this just the same?

As i see it the late Hellenistic time is no supported in the mod.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

The Hellenic period you can call the Greek period when the Greek Democratic City States flourished.
The Hellenistic period is the period after Alexander's rule when great parts of Asia and Africa where ruled by his successors and for many decades came under Greek cultural influence.
For detailed info read these pages:

Ancient Greek info Sites (http://www.teacheroz.com/greeks.html)

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[Spartacus]

i install the mod like this

download click open
install into c:progam files/mtw and i cick on the shortcut get the viking invasion sign and nothing... please help http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Brianbbj]

Now when the new version i comming, can you please add dates and a BIT more information on the different ages when you choose it for a campaign, i just think it would be SO uncomplete if you guys did all that graphics work and such, and then people are getting confused about dates and periods.

I must still say that terms pre-geometric....is kinds useless information for guys like me, when i began playing the mod, also the general technology i the period would be nice, becouse information like ....in this period Bronze armour and weapons are most commen.... then i would proberly better find out that this is the greek bronze age im gonna play in.

genraly i want DESCRIPTION, DESCRIPTIONS AND INFORMATION

all that graphics are worth nothing if we don't know what the hell are going on.

PS: so far the Worst thing about the Hellenic Mod creators is how low priority the general descriptions are made, if there were better descriptions i think that i would get 25% better enjoyment playing the game.
Im also talking better unit descriptions, im still having trouble navigating the the 30 different types of hoplites in the game, which are best armoured? which have best morale and such...

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

The installer will by DEFAULT pick as target directory to install itself into:

C:\Program Files\Total war\MTW

But if your MTW:VI v2.1 files are located somewhere else on your disc,make sure that you direct the installer to that mainfile.Before install you see on the right side next to the DEFAULT target directory:C:\Program Files\Total war\MTW a button that allows you to browse through all your files that are on your harddisc and find the proper file where you need to install HTW into.

CZoF

[Krakra]

Count Flanders, I do read readme files, so your assumption is wrong. I also recognize the differnce between the DEFAULT and actual folder I installed MTW VI 2.01 into. Furthermore, the entire installation is CLEAN -- I de-installed the entire game and installed it again.

All this is what the installer in the readme file recommends, I have done it. The game itself runs fine, but the HTW won't start.

Help with the installation will be greatly appreciated. Attitude won't be.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Quote[/b] ]Now when the new version i comming, can you please add dates and a BIT more information on the different ages when you choose it for a campaign, i just think it would be SO uncomplete if you guys did all that graphics work and such, and then people are getting confused about dates and periods.

I must still say that terms pre-geometric....is kinds useless information for guys like me, when i began playing the mod, also the general technology i the period would be nice, becouse information like ....in this period Bronze armour and weapons are most commen.... then i would proberly better find out that this is the greek bronze age im gonna play in.

genraly i want DESCRIPTION, DESCRIPTIONS AND INFORMATION

all that graphics are worth nothing if we don't know what the hell are going on.

PS: so far the Worst thing about the Hellenic Mod creators is how low priority the general descriptions are made, if there were better descriptions i think that i would get 25% better enjoyment playing the game.
Im also talking better unit descriptions, im still having trouble navigating the the 30 different types of hoplites in the game, which are best armoured? which have best morale and such...

The new version will have all new descriptions some of them are even on the site already besides that v2.1 is a BETA so not complete and it was not our priority because we changed and added so many units that we focussed on the new version from than on.And if you don't get enough pleasure from it wait for the new version or have a look at the unitprod files using Gnome editor and look at the different unitstats or don't play at all...

CZoF

[Krakra]

Forgot to mention: I have the English version.

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Quote[/b] ]Help with the installation will be greatly appreciated. Attitude won't be.

This was not a personnal remark Sir but all the hundreds of useless Q's we get,you sometimes wonder if people read before installing.If you have a genuine problems always glad to help.

CZoF

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

@Krakra

When you use the taskbar shorcuts will HTW start or still a problem.

CZoF

[Antalis::]

The only way that HTW won´t work is, if you have installed it into a false directory/folder.


I see that you have the english version, so I don´t know what your problem could be.


The selfinstaller was tested by Count Flanders and by me and it worked perfect.


The only thing you have to do is to search your fresh MTW+VI201 install directory and install HTW to it.
Thats all.


Antalis

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

The desktop shortcut is also by default set on:
Target
C:\Program Files\Total war\MTW\Medieval_TW.EXE

So if you installed MTW:VI in a different folder and you want the shortcut to work just rightclick on the shortcut go to properties and change the Target file.

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[Krakra]

I will try re-installing it tonight when I get back from work. I have been putting it in the main MTW folder, but under a subfolder HTW -- maybe that is where the issue lies. Another possibility, albeit a small one, is that the downloaded file was corrupted ... although the install won't work then ...

I get the exact same problem that Spartacus described -- the MTW startup picture shows up and then nothing happens.

[Krakra]

CZoF, maybe the shortcut is it I will definitely try this first

[Antalis::]

No, don´t put it to a subfolder in MTW


Thats the reason http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

If you have it in a subfolder that is the problem right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Spartacus]

default install c:progamfiles/mtw ok i'll change the shortcut into that folder

this is the trickest self-install ever the new version better be better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

which of these is right

1.install into existing folder MTW:VI
2use the default install place and change shortcut to there
3.forget it wait for new version, i'm slanting towards opinion 3 this is stuid for a self-install http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Antalis::]

Its very simple to install.

We cannot make it easier.

And we get nothing paid for creating HTW, ok http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


SO if you want to buy me a ferrary, I will be pleased to answer all the same questions again and again.
But before this: read the readme http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[Spartacus]

i'll do option two ok

[Spartacus]

sorry for the angry moment coming

i follow your self-install insturictions i get nothing what is this a joke how do you get it up. I'm angry at this so much i'll wait for the new version and it better be better than this joke install

oh god why can't be like NTW and your's looks so much better i feel that a beilliant mod as to be spoiled by this awful self-install progam

no offence on the HTW team your doing a great job just sort this out for the new version please and i'll worship you almighty modders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif but hopefully when the new version is out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif and http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

We understand that people without any computer knowledge even will have difficulties with this very simple installer.Like Antalis said we cannot make it more easy if you follow the instructions it will work,it is almost everytime a small thing that causes the Mod not to work.Antalis and i helped hundreds and hundreds of people so follow the instructions step by step and be critic of yourself first.If you get stuck post a good report of what you did and what is not working and most of the time we can help you.There is nothing wrong with the installer it is the man behind it that made a mistake or has a problem and if we have corrupt files your posting helps to find them so please don't get angry so quickly just read,think and try if you get stuck we are here to help you.

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[Antalis::]

There is nothing tricky, really nothing.


Its as simple as it can be.

We don´t know where you have installed MTW, so we set the default directory as installations path.
You have to change it by yourshelf to your MTW directory.

Thats the only thing you have to do.

[Spartacus]

yes i know what your thinking i am thracian on twc

i'll install in my already existing viking invasion folder i hope that will solve it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Lord Zimoa of Flanders]

Quote[/b] ]oh god why can't be like NTW

The NTW installer works exactly the same it only does not create a desktop icons or a un-install option that is the only difference.

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[Antalis::]

Hey only 9 posts and we have 2000 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Spartacus]

no more replies

on twc antalis told me to install in the c:progamfiles/totalwar/vikinginvasion and promised it will work

[Antalis::]

I wrote http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif (but it depends if this is the exact name of your install of MTW+VI) :

C:\progamfiles\totalwar\medieval total war viking invasion

[Spartacus]

ok i have the mod but i have ctd's whenbever i do a custom battle or get to loading screen how do i counter this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Antalis::]

Are you sure, that you using a fresh installation of MTW+VI?

And have never installed an other mod to it (or installed before HTW into a false folder into it, so that the HTW files are twice there?).

I recomend to install MTW+VI+VI201 patch +HTW v21 again.

[Spartacus]

fresh installion of MTW then VI add patch install hellenic i'm gonna do that again

if the new version is not long till due release i could wait till then but promise there will be no ctds in the new version http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Antalis::]

There are also none in this version http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Spartacus]

i'm fresh installing everying what if it still ctd's

[Antalis::]

Then you have done something wrong, if it still ctds

[Antalis::]

Ok 2000 replys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Spartacus]

i've fresh installed everything and are downloading the mod deleted all mods in my folder, it's gotta work otherwise i give up and i'll wait for the new version http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Antalis::]

Maybe someone can help you from your friends or relatives who has more expierience in modding?