Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I am confused :dizzy2:

Mafia cannot protect. Redleg is obviously not mafia. Tom_Hagen, you were on Redleg's list of people to contact for the killing. They all seem very pro-town, Lugi even sent me a PM telling me to edit a post before the Mafia could get to it, so I stick with them fully.

[Kagemusha]

I am confused :dizzy2:

Mafia cannot protect. Redleg is obviously not mafia.

Omanes forget Redleg and look at Moros.He is lyibg and proving himself a lier,while claiming to be a detective.Vote Moros.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Moros innocent or gulity, he is providing me with detective results. He has his uses: mafia or not.

[Ituralde]

My main reason for changing the vote was to keep the tie on Proletariat and Reenk Roink, because luigi withdrew his vote for Prole, if I have miscounted please correct me. For now I beleive Moros and see no harm in pursuing Pindar. If that makes me Mafia in your eyes so be it.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

And I haven't seen a PM return from Seamus (I can't investgate). Does he tell you what the party did every night? I thought investegations just said innocent, criminal, guilty, inconclusive.
It can show information about previous actions too and even their role.

[Don Corleone]

I am confused :dizzy2:

Mafia cannot protect. Redleg is obviously not mafia. Tom_Hagen, you were on Redleg's list of people to contact for the killing. They all seem very pro-town, Lugi even sent me a PM telling me to edit a post before the Mafia could get to it, so I stick with them fully.

First, we have no way of knowing that he ever really protected. I wondered about this too, but in fact, Redleg said we shoudl copy each other on PMs for protection. I didn't get any from him the past couple of nights.

Second, you tried to recruit me to go kill Prole, Xiahou and Reenk and Luigi blessed it. Sorry, your credibility with me is zero at the moment.

[Kagemusha]

My main reason for changing the vote was to keep the tie on Proletariat and Reenk Roink, because luigi withdrew his vote for Prole, if I have miscounted please correct me. For now I beleive Moros and see no harm in pursuing Pindar. If that makes me Mafia in your eyes so be it.

Im not accusing you of anything.Just asking how you can believe somebody is detective when he claims to be on townie protection groups and investigating simulataneosly,which is against the rules.

[Don Corleone]

My main reason for changing the vote was to keep the tie on Proletariat and Reenk Roink, because luigi withdrew his vote for Prole, if I have miscounted please correct me. For now I beleive Moros and see no harm in pursuing Pindar. If that makes me Mafia in your eyes so be it.

Look, I was in a protection racket with BKS and Pindar last night. We protected Ironside. I got copied on Pindar's PM to Seamus. BKS can back this up. There's no way Moros could have gotten a result that Pindar went out killing every single night.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

You are most certainly a Mafioso stirring up trouble!

Results can be unreliable, there is a 3 in 10 chance that results for townees will appear unclear/criminal even if they have done nothing.

[Don Corleone]

You are most certainly a Mafioso stirring up trouble!

Results can be unreliable, there is a 3 in 10 chance that results for townees will appear unclear/criminal even if they have done nothing.

You come to me and tell me that you want me to go kill somebody, and somehow I'm the mafia ? Pretty conveniant Ormanes, anybody that disagrees with you must be mafia. You must be taking lessons from Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Don, I can confirm Moros. I told him to investigate pindar a couple rounds ago. He didn't just make that up today. In addition look at these pm logs:







Are you a townie in Seamus's mafia game?

Sasaki

Maybe, are you?

This is funny, I've sent bunches of these and that's the response I get every time.

Yes I am, are you?

Sasaki


I am of course an upstanding member of the community! Do you know the townie secret handshake?

I've been using this:

What word is in all caps in the "PM's" section of your townie pm, other than "PM"?

Sasaki

That is a detailed way of asking my status, but doesn't tell me if you do know the townie secret handshake.

I'm still wanting to make sure I understand the rules so I'm uncertain what I can reveal or not. I'm a simple fellow you see.


Does that sound innocent to you?

[Kagemusha]

Don, I can confirm Moros. I told him to investigate pindar a couple rounds ago. He didn't just make that up today. In addition look at these pm logs:




Does that sound innocent to you?

Sasaki.You didnt answer to me.Is it inside game limits to investigate and be a part of townie protection group simultaneously?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki.You didnt answer to me.Is it inside game limits to investigate and be a part of townie protection group simultaneously?

I'm not an expert on the rules, but Moros said he was so he was. Simple.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm truly sorry for this guys, but it looks like we've all been played.

Chatlog doesn't get interesting until the end. I am Hankerchief64, Sasaki is PinbillWizard.


Hankerchief64: now things are getting weird.
PinballWizard191: haha
PinballWizard191: I can't even keep track of it
PinballWizard191: I've been lying too much to too many people
Hankerchief64: Rabbit, most likely white glove, claims to have killed me but I am killed by the note-pinners
PinballWizard191: well, I don't think anyting can stop the prole/rr lynch now
Hankerchief64: yep
PinballWizard191: so I think I'm in the clear
Hankerchief64: although my reputation is so untrustworthy that they just might survive
PinballWizard191: there's like 23 left right?
Hankerchief64: Pannonian counts 21
PinballWizard191: with a double lynch, 19 then
PinballWizard191: hmm 3 or 4 kills
Hankerchief64: not if two Made gangsters get taken out via lynch
PinballWizard191: ;-)
Hankerchief64: more likely one or two, not counting suicides/WoGs
PinballWizard191: well, we'll just see
Hankerchief64: holy shite, Orb has two votes
PinballWizard191: what!?
PinballWizard191: hmm
Hankerchief64: Xiahou and Loius
PinballWizard191: brb
Hankerchief64: sure
PinballWizard191: hmm, what have they found to make them vote that
Hankerchief64: Xiahou: Man, somebody has a deathwish.
Hankerchief64: Louis: Or are we all being duped, are we led astray? Is there an evil genius plotting behind the scenes to bring doom and disaster over this town after all...?

PinballWizard191: luigi posted like teh opposite a little before
PinballWizard191: hmm
PinballWizard191: bogus
Hankerchief64: and Orb is a bit too evil, I know this from experience on another forum
Hankerchief64: but he was convinced that you were a Detective...
Hankerchief64: utterly.
Hankerchief64: O_o
PinballWizard191: heh
PinballWizard191: I think I have some pm'ing to do
Hankerchief64: heh
Hankerchief64: have fun
PinballWizard191: you like that detective reveal btw?
Hankerchief64: that was quite nice
Hankerchief64: did you do it yourself?
PinballWizard191: it's the real pm
PinballWizard191: I got the detective to send it to me
Hankerchief64: and you just twisted it a bit?
PinballWizard191: made up the results
Hankerchief64: nice
PinballWizard191: pm is word for word though
PinballWizard191: frickin delayed result even numbered odd numbered stuff had me pulling my hair out though
PinballWizard191: I had to make sure the date and time were correct for the pm's since I quoted that bit too
Hankerchief64: hehe
Hankerchief64: somehow I have trouble imagining you without anything but a hood
PinballWizard191: that's funny, my sweatshirt has a blue hood
Hankerchief64: I think I'm gonna have to stay out of these games for a LOOONNNG time in order for my reputation to recover
PinballWizard191: mine is permanently damaged
PinballWizard191: but I like defending myself
Hankerchief64: heh
Hankerchief64: it's fun to a point
PinballWizard191: the only thing that annoys me is defending against ridiculous accusations when I actually AM guilty
Hankerchief64: what, you mean lying?
PinballWizard191: just bad logic
Hankerchief64: ah
PinballWizard191: because they are actually right, you know
PinballWizard191: arg
Hankerchief64: yes
Hankerchief64: unfortunately
Hankerchief64: perhaps it's best if we just shut up for a while
Hankerchief64: since nobody will ever believe my reasons
PinballWizard191: nah, keep posting, your doing fine
Hankerchief64:
Hankerchief64: *narrow eyed smiley*
PinballWizard191: hmmmm?
PinballWizard191: holy crap my pm box is full!
Hankerchief64: oh noes
PinballWizard191: :goodposting:
PinballWizard191: they still seem reasonably convinced
Hankerchief64: convinced of what?
Hankerchief64: I think we need a premature commentary from Seamus on this
PinballWizard191: on what?
Hankerchief64: everything :P
PinballWizard191: haha, no what specifically
Hankerchief64: the initial roles handed out
PinballWizard191: it's like he said in OP?
PinballWizard191: moros is one detective, jimbob "magically" became the 2nd, I believe cowhead is the FBI detective
PinballWizard191: well maybe
PinballWizard191: probably not if you want to know the truth
Hankerchief64: I think I'll just start Mafia VI in a day or something
PinballWizard191: cool
Hankerchief64: lol, check out Andres' post
PinballWizard191: haha
Hankerchief64: "So GH has a reputation of an experienced and fair player?"
Hankerchief64: I'm going to get lynched in Round 1 in every game for a month for this
PinballWizard191: heh
PinballWizard191: the stranger said as much to me
PinballWizard191: gah, don's always so paranoid
Hankerchief64: hehe
Hankerchief64: "I'm putting the dead on my ignore list until the end of the game."
PinballWizard191: lol
PinballWizard191: He unvoted when I said I was doctor last page
Hankerchief64: haha
PinballWizard191: doctor is my least favorite role
Hankerchief64: I think Godfather 2 permanently messed up his brain
PinballWizard191: mostly just wild guesses, but you have a responsability to stay alive. most annoying
PinballWizard191: heh, yeah
PinballWizard191: he got caught in the crossfire there
PinballWizard191: the innocent were accusing him and the mafia defending him
Hankerchief64: heh
Hankerchief64: it's always fun to have a punching bag
PinballWizard191: ah, luigi's voting for prole again
Hankerchief64: yaaaaay
Hankerchief64: for all I know this could be a diabolical plan initiated by you early on in the game
PinballWizard191: lol
Hankerchief64: and we're all your puppets
Hankerchief64: or maybe Seamus is pulling an "evil narrator" on us
PinballWizard191: hah, don't think so
Hankerchief64: at least the game isn't spammy anymore
PinballWizard191: heh
Hankerchief64: well I think I'm going to stop posting
Hankerchief64: left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth
PinballWizard191: hmm
PinballWizard191: Well, if you're really leaving?
Hankerchief64: yep
PinballWizard191: It may make you feel better to know that you've actually been helping us
PinballWizard191: I was lying to you early on about the Barzinis, and in the pm I forwarded you
PinballWizard191: did you really think I would reveal so much to you :p
PinballWizard191: Sorry about putting the hit on you, but it was necassary.
Hankerchief64: you serious?
PinballWizard191: yeah
PinballWizard191: sorry dude, it had to be done
Hankerchief64: no it didn't.
Hankerchief64: there was no reason for you to off me
Hankerchief64: I was considering helping yuo
Hankerchief64: you*
PinballWizard191: I couldn't take that risk
Hankerchief64: you suck dude.
Hankerchief64: you ruined my reputation for nothing
PinballWizard191: I'm really sorry
Hankerchief64: go to hell

I was honestly convinced that Prole & co were mafia. I am truly sorry for this confusion. Sasaki played most of us.

I'm just going to watch the remainder of this game in silence.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Unlycnh: Proletariat
Lynch: Moros


Gotta run, so I can't keep a tally. :help:

[Louis VI the Fat]

And Barzini #4 steps to the plate. Four already, hey? Wow. And Crazed Rabbit, let's not forget him! That makes five.

Oh, and nevermind Crazed Rabbit being shot after I exposed him as mafia.

Or did you mean those tin star guys then? Those three or four? Who apparantly, between these three / four and us four didn't manage a single kill last night?


Redleg, Luigi VI, Ituralde and Moros have been on so many protection missions
between the four of us that I doubt you'll find many townies left who haven't joined us or were protected by one of us. Give it up alright, Tom.

I don't know if you just missed the first 2000 posts, and are a bit overwhelmed by having to read it all in one go. Or whether your sudden reappearance in the thread at the end-game means you're starting to sweat about your buddies being exposed at last.

[Kagemusha]

I'm not an expert on the rules, but Moros said he was so he was. Simple.

So in other words it isnt.People please vote Moros now!Town cant loose this game becouse we just ingnore evidence that one time we have it straight under our noses.

[Don Corleone]

Four already, hey? Wow. And Crazed Rabbit, let's not forget him! That makes five.

Oh, and nevermind Crazed Rabbit being shot after I exposed him as mafia.

Or did you mean those tin star guys then? Those three or four? Who apparantly, between these three / four and us four didn't manage a single kill last night?


Redleg, Luigi VI, Ituralde and Moros have been on so many protection missions
between the four of us that I doubt you'll find many townies left who haven't joined us or were protected by one of us. Give it up alright, Tom.

I don't know if you just missed the first 2000 posts, and are a bit overwhelmed by having to read it all in one go. Or whether your sudden reappearance in the thread at the end-game means you're starting to sweat about your buddies being exposed at last.

Actually, I don't really think Ituralde is #4. I was trying to make a point. But Moros doctoring up PMs (and not very well) and now we come to find out that Sasaki actually set GH up to frame Prole (though his behavior still doesn't make any sense). I don't know how CR fits into all this, but I don't think he's working with you, Redleg and Moros. And I know you've got protection rackets going. Who was on your first one? Remember? I don't know if you corrupted Redleg or he corrupted you, but I know very well what the 2 of you are up to.

[Caius]

Why you dont vote for Prole and finish the game?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

You come to me and tell me that you want me to go kill somebody, and somehow I'm the mafia ? Pretty conveniant Ormanes, anybody that disagrees with you must be mafia. You must be taking lessons from Sasaki.
Well you are a little suspicious announcing to the the world who I want to kill so that a protection group can be organised.

[Don Corleone]

Well you are a little suspicious announcing to the the world who I want to kill so that a protection group can be organised.

I'm suspicous? I STARTED the protection racket that Luigi used as cover. Ask him, I PM'd him and Banquo the first night. You use it as context to come to me and ask me to whack somebody (why did Xiahou even come up, by the way). When I ask Luigi about it, he tells me to go ahead and whack somebody. And the two of you have the chutzpah to say I'm suspicious?

Well, I'll give the two of you credit for sticking to your story, in the face of pretty damning evidence, I'll give you that... :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I explained to you fully that I am a towniee who is PRO-TOWN, why else would I have joined The Stranger in his to protect Moros and kill Mafioso when they appear. I still believe Moros, Lugi and Redleg, they appear much more pro-town right now that you do.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Im not accusing you of anything.Just asking how you can believe somebody is detective when he claims to be on townie protection groups and investigating simulataneosly,which is against the rules.

Game over, Kagemusha.

I just received this from Seamus:


Originally Posted by luigi VI di Fatlington
Hello Seamus,



Can a detective or a rogue detective investigate and protect during the same night?


thanks.




Yes. With a few exceptions/limitations (varies by role), all investigation can occur in addition to "standard" night actions. Oh, and in case anybody doubts the validity of it, I suggest you PM Seamus yourself and find out. :beam:

Vote: Pindar.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm truly sorry for this guys, but it looks like we've all been played.

Chatlog doesn't get interesting until the end. I am Hankerchief64, Sasaki is PinbillWizard.



I was honestly convinced that Prole & co were mafia. I am truly sorry for this confusion. Sasaki played most of us.

I'm just going to watch the remainder of this game in silence.

LOL, noone even cares anymore, GH. You've been played. No hard feelings over the fake anger? Sorry if I came off too strident.

Crazed Rabbit

[Kagemusha]

I dont believe that before i see it posted here by Seamus.

[Don Corleone]

I explained to you fully that I am a towniee who is PRO-TOWN, why else would I have joined The Stranger in his work. I still believe Moros, Lugi and Redleg, they appear much more pro-town right now that you do.

I started the protection group Luigi is in. The only evidence I have of you being pro-town is your say-so. What's more, you came to me to try to arrange a hit on somebody, but you claim you're pro-town. Sorry, that looks like the efforts of a wise-guy, working for a family.

As it stands, if we're to believe GH that he really did get a PM naming Prole in the first place, we now have to believe that he was duped by Sasaki and in fact, Prole really isn't the 3rd godfather. Who would that be? My guess is our esteemed director, and I imagine I'll die tonight, which should just about prove it.

[Orb]

Come on, where's the anti-Orb bandwagon I wanted!

[Louis VI the Fat]

I dont believe that before i see it posted here by Seamus.Rubbish. You can PM Seamus yourself and find out. Takes two seconds.

[Xiahou]

For what's probably one of the worst PM forgeries in recent memory, I'm going to have to:

unvote
vote: Moros

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The Current Tally 1314 EST 2/1/7:

Moros = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, JimBob, Kagemusha, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Proletariat = 4 ( ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Pindar = 3 (Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros)

Reenk Roink = 3 (Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Reenk Roink)

Not Voting = 5 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Ironside, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg [director])

36 Deceased. 21 Still Breathing



Edit: updated time/vote tally.

Re: Investigations and night actions. Night actions and investigations are NOT exclusive. Some roles have volume limitations attached to night action & investigation combos.

[Kagemusha]

Rubbish. You can PM Seamus yourself and find out. Takes two seconds.

Already did and asked him to clear the thing up here in the thread.

[Kagemusha]

In my opinion this should have been in the original rules in the thread. How i could have known this when it doesnt read anywhere. So Moros just messed up his pm,becouse of negligence?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I know where my loyalties lie - with the town, with Redleg and lugi!

Unvote;
Vote: Pindar

The town needs to work together rather than kill each other.

[Don Corleone]

I know where my loyalties lie - with the town, with Redleg and lugi!

Unvote;
Vote: Pindar

Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, as they say.

[Louis VI the Fat]

In my opinion this should have been in the original rules in the thread. How i could have known this when it doesnt read anywhere. So Moros just messed up his pm,becouse of negligence?No Kagemusha, it means that your accusations of Moros miss ground, and that Moros is right.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, as they say.
I am with the town. Trust me! If any proper evidence comes out about Redleg and lugi comes out then I will leave them. BTW, about half the town is "working" for them.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

In my opinion this should have been in the original rules in the thread. How i could have known this when it doesnt read anywhere. So Moros just messed up his pm,becouse of negligence?

My fault, I'm afraid.:shame:

While it is implied in all of the detective role sheets, it is only explicitly stated in the made gangster role sheet. A sloppy oversight on my part.

Vote: Seamus


Omanes: Please bold your votes.

[Don Corleone]

Well, I'm not changing my vote. Moros already admitted he wrote the PM, he just claims he copied it from the original. He also claims that he got a result that Pindar has been involved in a kill each and every night. I was on a protection racket with Pindar last night (and with BKS who can back me up), as can Luigi and Redleg, who ordered it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Moros = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, JimBob, Kagemusha, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Proletariat = 3 ( ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Orb)

Pindar = 4 (Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, Omanes)

Reenk Roink = 3 (Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Reenk Roink)Who is still defending the mafia, who are now even themselves admitting that they made us falsely believe that Proletariat is the don?

And who will rally behind Moros, the one who exposed them?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Can Redleg decide that nobody gets lynched?

[Don Corleone]

Who is still defending the mafia, who are now even themselves admitting that they made us falsely believe that Proletariat is the don?

And who will rally behind Moros, the one who exposed them?

Come on, Luigi!!! You asked Pindar, BKS and I to protect Ironside, and I think you got copied when Pindar sent his PM to Seamus (I did and can post it if people want to see it). I can also post Luigi's request for us to.

Moros didn't do anything to clear Prole. He just said that he had received a result that Pindar had been involved in killing every night. I know for a fact that cannot be true, based on the PMs I have in my inbox right now.

[Louis VI the Fat]

My inbox says you asked me to protect Sasaki in the first round. To which I unfortunately responded positively.

But hey, you can only lead people on for so long. You and Pindar are history. (At least, if there are enough townies left to vote :wall: )

[Kagemusha]

Well Luigi,what you have to say on that? Id DC lying?

[Pindar]

Originally Posted by Seamus
Pindar = Guilty! He was involved in kill attempts every night of the game, including one on you! He's been working with the Barzinis.


unvote; Vote: Pindar

EDit: I said I'd get my revenge. And Now I'm sure I'll get it!

Hello, What's this? I guess living in California has its draw backs. I always come into things at the tale end. Looks like I've been indicted. Others more PM savvy than I have noted the supposed quotes' form is askew. The content seems easily checked for accuracy. It says I have been off in killing attempts every night. A simple counter example would be last night. I was part of a protection of Ironside with BKS, and Tom_Hagen(TH). TH has already pointed this out. I know I c.c.ed Redleg and I think Luigi as well as BKS in my PM to Seamus with the order. So I think they should all know this was the case. I have to vote against my accuser for sloppy form and easily countered charges.

Luigi, why are you supporting a charge you should know is flawed. Is this part of a larger agenda? Is Moros a pawn of yours? Same question to Redleg.

Vote: Moros

Thou shall not bare false witness.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Can Redleg decide that nobody gets lynched?

In the event of a tie, yes.

With a clear winner in the voting, no.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The Current Tally 1350 EST 2/1/7:

Moros = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, JimBob, Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Pindar = 4 (Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

Proletariat = 3 ( ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 3 (Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Reenk Roink)

Not Voting = 4 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Ironside, Papewaio, Redleg [director])

36 Deceased. 21 Still Breathing

Last tally update. Next one is the Summary. Voting closes at 1400.

[Don Corleone]

My inbox says you asked me to protect Sasaki in the first round. To which I unfortunately responded positively.

But hey, you can only lead people on for so long. You and Pindar are history. (At least, if there are enough townies left to vote :wall: )

Tell the whole story though. I suggested we try to protect people every night, so we could make extra doctors for the town. I told you I picked Sasaki because I was sure he would be attacked (he's always a prime target, in any game). If you remember, I suggested GH (who ended up getting popped that night), and Kagemusha, as they'd probably be targeted early on as well. I was right on 2 out of 3 of those.

I've never suggested killing anybody. How can the town win if they all get converted into Wiseguys? The rules clearly state that if you kill people, you lose your status as a townie and become a wiseguy.



But hey, you can only lead people on for so long. You and Pindar are history. (At least, if there are enough townies left to vote You all heard it. I'll make book on the fact that I show up tomorrow at 2PM Eastern time, dead, with a tin star pinned to my chest, or a white glove laid on my corpse, possibly both.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

If the town kills Moros then we lose a detective. And now it is clear that he is dead, isn't it, if he is guilty then my partnership with Redleg ends. If not then everybody who voted for him will automatically be marked as Mafia and I will run program seventeen :evil:

What is it, well you will all find out after I have stabbed you seventy times.

[doc_bean]

damnit this game is confuuuuuusing.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting Closed. I will wait a moment or two to be sure to catch any "in transit." I will then complete and post the summary.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Tell the whole story though. I suggested we try to protect people every night, so we could make extra doctors for the town. I told you I picked Sasaki because I was sure he would be attacked (he's always a prime target, in any game). If you remember, I suggested GH (who ended up getting popped that night), and Kagemusha, as they'd probably be targeted early on as well. I was right on 2 out of 3 of those.

I've never suggested killing anybody. How can the town win if they all get converted into Wiseguys? The rules clearly state that if you kill people, you lose your status as a townie and become a wiseguy.


You all heard it. I'll make book on the fact that I show up tomorrow at 2PM Eastern time, dead, with a tin star pinned to my chest, or a white glove laid on my corpse, possibly both.No need for that, I guess the mafia have won with convincing the town to lynch one of it's two detectives.

And there I was, thinking that by leading you and Pindar on and exposing the mafia here we would have victory on our hand. :shame:

Ah well, a last minute loss it is then, and at least I know that I figured it out before the end.

[Ironside]

Arrghhh, digging through this thread takes too much time :wall:

At least my late vote wouldn't have made any change :shame:

Always thought that the day ended one hour later. :oops:

[Xiahou]

And who will rally behind Moros, the one who exposed them?He what?:dizzy2:
All I saw him do was try to pass off an obviously fake PM. At which point did he expose those who framed prole?

[The Stranger]

this town is hilarious... lynching the wrong person again...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Xiahou is evidently not innocent.

This is a repeat of the death of The Stranger. I presume that this town will lynch me tomorrow.

[doc_bean]

I've been suspicious of don for a while, but now I'm pretty certain he's one of the bad guys.

I hop to see you sleeping with the fishes soon Tom.


disclaimer: attack meant as in-game banter, don't take it personally

[Don Corleone]

I've been suspicious of don for a while, but now I'm pretty certain he's one of the bad guys.

I hop to see you sleeping with the fishes soon Tom.


disclaimer: attack meant as in-game banter, don't take it personally

Oh don't worry. Luigi, Red and Omanes are going to see to that tonight.

I protected people through the game, like Sasaki (bad choice), Luigi several times, Redleg once, then Ironside this last go round. I argued that GH was wrong about Prole (turns out, he was) and I questioned Luigi for telling me to go along on a kill with Omanes tonight, something he's yet to explain here or in PM.

And you think I'm the bad guy? The jokes on the town. Read the rules. You've all been going out, doing vigilante kills, only to be switched from Townie to WiseGuy. I'm probably one of the few pure Townies left.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Oh don't worry. Luigi, Red and Omanes are going to see to that tonight.
Don't worry, I have no plans to nab you, yet. If you do die it is a mafia attempt to make us look guilty.

[doc_bean]

And you think I'm the bad guy? The jokes on the town. Read the rules. You've all been going out, doing vigilante kills, only to be switched from Townie to WiseGuy. I'm probably one of the few pure Townies left.

*I* haven't.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Everyone gets there anyway...
In this place there is no shelter,
Blood and flesh upon the altar,
Blames of fire getting high
Oh, my dear its time to die...
This will come to everyone
Cruel justice must be done
-- Via Dolorosa


Sunset, Day Eight


Redleg sat at the front of the chamber, framed by the large picture windows to either side of the small dais. On a table behind him were 3-4 ornate wooden boxes (chests?) – the same boxes that had been present at his last director’s meeting. Through the windows could be seen a pair of field guns, set up in battery on the boardwalk, and a row of what appeared to be a half-dozen long thin stakes bolted to the boardwalk itself. Redleg was a fan of preparation.

“We have met and deliberated,” said Redleg. “We will now cast our final votes for this day.”

One by one the committee filed to the box to drop in their written ballot. If the voting followed the pattern of previous days, many of these signed ballots would bear no name at all – no vote. Others, of course, would name the person whom that voter deemed to be guilty – or at least name the person they thought should die.

Redleg solemnly counted the votes. He recounted them and then asked for confirmation from his attendant guards. Receiving it, he stood to declare the vote.

“It is the will of this committee that Moros be put to death. Guardsmen, take charge.”

Moros bolted upright, a stunned expression on his face. Redleg paused a moment before decreeing Moros’ fate, his expression grim.

“You will be taken to the stakes below. Your hands roped behind your back, five pound weights attached to each ankle, and you will be impaled. I’m sorry, but it’s not a quick way to go – we’re trying to send a message here.”

Moros went for his gun. The cops went for theirs. The committee went for the floor. Redleg stepped back, surprised, then went to one of his boxes. Moros fired at the cops.

“You maniacs are not gonna kill me,” Moros screamed! Two of the cops went down under the impact of slugs from his .45 – dear, trustworthy ‘Betsy.’

But the cops were firing back. Moros was wearing armor, but the impact of the .38 specials staggered him. Moros continued shooting, emptying the clip into the remaining officers. Moros was wounded in both arms and one leg, and both officers went down.

Bleeding and staggering, Moros threw down on Pindar, only to be rewarded with a sharp <click.> He’d emptied all nine shots into the police.

“Moros,” called Redleg, poised in a perfect duelist’s pose and staring along the barrel of an ornate 18th century dueling pistol, “you life is forfeit!”

Redleg squeezed the trigger smoothly, generating a sharp barking <crack,> and a small cloud of sulfurous smoke. The .65 caliber lead ball was spun well by the rifled barrel and stayed true to Redleg’s aim. The ball punched through Moros’ right eye, blowing out the entire back half of his head as though smashing an over-ripe melon. Most of the contents of Moros’ skull were sprayed over the committee. Moros’s body collapsed like a puppet whose strings had been cut.

“I do not believe justice has been served here,” said Redleg to the stunned room, “but the will of the committee has been served as our mayor declares necessary.”

Two of the police were dead, the others wounded badly. Chief Fermanagh, arriving shortly thereafter, quickly assigned replacements and saw to the body’s removal. The committee milled about, sickened by what they’d been through, yet reluctant to face the dark night that was descending on Fatlington. A cleaning team came in and began work. In time, however, the committee began to make their exits. Redleg caught Proletariat’s attention as she turned to depart.

“Cigarette?”

Prole shook her head no.

“I’ve been trying to cut back lately.”

“Pity.”

Redleg left before Prole could respond.


OOC

The Butcher’s Bill so Far:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3), JimBob (N6), CountArach (N7)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5) [townie], The Stranger (D6) [townie], Sasaki Kojiro (D7), Moros (D8)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4) [townie], Sir Boo (N4) [wise guy], Sir Moody (N4) [townie] AndrestheCunning (N4) [wise guy], Dutch_Guy (N5) [townie], Sigurd Fafnesbane (N5) [townie], Ultrawar (N5) [townie], Crazed Rabbit (N6) [mafia made], HughTower (N6) [mafia made], Kommodus (N6) [doctor], Warluster (N6) [wise guy], Destroyer of Hope (N7)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4) [townie], Peasant Phill (N5) [townie], theRTWGuru (N5) [townie], Pannonian (N6) [townie], Masy, (D7), Xdeathfire (D7)

WoGged: MarcusBrutus (D5) [townie], Hepcat (N5) [townie], Ignoramus (N5) [townie], Zalmoxis (N5) [townie], Drisos (N7)


Day 8 Lynch Vote Tally

Moros = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, JimBob, Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Pindar = 4 (Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

Proletariat = 3 ( ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 3 (Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Reenk Roink)

Not Voting = 4 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Ironside, Papewaio, Redleg [director])


Dead: 37, Living: 20


Night Eight begins: PMs due no later than 1400 EST 2/2/7. Happy Groundhog Day.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

You guys killed a mafia?! From what I can see mafia members go out with bangs, causing a huge uproar. Not always, but you could have got one?

Nah! Moros was innocent, who was I kidding.

[Xiahou]

You guys killed a mafia?! From what I can see mafia members go out with bangs, causing a huge uproar. Not always, but you could have got one?I think it's probable- like I said, that was certainly the phoniest fake PM I've seen in some time.

[Csargo]

You should have voted Prole and Reenk. Sad really you were fooled by a chatlog.

[Redleg]

Damn I go to sleep and a real life job interview - and look what happens to many pages to read through.

Nice story Seamus you captured all three possiblities in one writing.

:yes:

[Louis VI the Fat]

You guys killed a mafia?!
No we didn't, no.

We had them by the 00s, but they were all online the last few hours and not enough of us were.

Gah, the most undeserved mafia victory ever.


Whom of the white gloves shall we take down with us tonight: Pindar, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou, Proletariat or Kagemusha? :skull:

[Xiahou]

Whom of the white gloves shall we take down with us tonight: Pindar, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou, Proletariat or Kagemusha? :skull:
Howabout you? Or are you a tin star?

[Don Corleone]

Whom of the white gloves shall we take down with us tonight: Pindar, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou, Proletariat or Kagemusha? :skull:


GAH!!! GAH!!! You're not even bothering to hide that you're a mafia clan anymore? Judas Priest, Luigi, you played me like a fiddle. I'm no white glove... I've been townie all along. You on the other hand converted our protection ring into a death-squad (or at the very least, okayed Omanes doing so).

When this is all over, we're going to have to open a fine Bordeaux, and then you can tell me when exactly you switched over to the dark-side. :devil:

Banquo was right about you, old friend. Well played. Very well played.

[Redleg]

GAH!!! GAH!!! You're not even bothering to hide that you're a mafia clan anymore? Judas Priest, Luigi, you played me like a fiddle. I'm no white glove... I've been townie all along. You on the other hand converted our protection ring into a death-squad (or at the very least, okayed Omanes doing so).

When this is all over, we're going to have to open a fine Bordeaux, and then you can tell me when exactly you switched over to the dark-side. :devil:

Banquo was right about you, old friend. Well played. Very well played.

Nice spin - to bad I wasn't around when it came up. Because that is not how it was discussed nor sanctioned in the PM's. A couble of possiblities were discussed because of certain information that was collected. One being from one dective that pointed out that Xiahou was involved in not one but several killings. If a wise guy is involed in several killings what does that make him?

So that makes me wonder about who was playing whom? Yes folks there were a few tid bits of information that I threw out to others to see where the leak in the townie network is, and it seems to me that we can firmily establish that now.

Now I will be going through the thread even more fully latter when I get the chance but this little bit just struck me as the obvious, especially given that I passed the information out to see if I could smell a rat.

Oh I wouldn't be defending Xiahou he is guilty of killing not just once but a couple of times. Ever ask yourself way, he was mentioned as a possible target for a group of townie viglinates versus coming to the thead to discuss it?

I don't need to think to hard on it at all. Nicely played Don but you gave to much away by posting this. Its just to bad I was caught up in real life when you first posted it. Its just a matter of determining if the town has enough real townies left to actually end up winning versus go down fighting.

[Xiahou]

Nice spin - to bad I wasn't around when it came up. Because that is not how it was discussed nor sanctioned in the PM's. A couble of possiblities were discussed because of certain information that was collected. One being from one dective that pointed out that Xiahou was involved in not one but several killings. If a wise guy is involed in several killings what does that make him? Easy for you to say. I guess we'll all just take your word for it that you heard from your "detective" that Im guilty though. :dizzy2:


Oh I wouldn't be defending Xiahou he is guilty of killing not just once but a couple of times. Ever ask yourself way, he was mentioned as a possible target for a group of townie viglinates versus coming to the thead to discuss it?

Because it took you this long to concoct your baloney story? Let's frameup the guy who didn't buy into your "let's kill 5 people for the good of the town" rubbish eh?:thumbsdown:

What's it going to be Red? A bandwagon tomorrow, or murder me tonight?

[Redleg]

Easy for you to say. I guess we'll all just take your word for it that you heard from your "detective" that Im guilty though. :dizzy2:

Whats wrong, can't face the fact that I know you have killed especially on Night 6. Hmm how else could I know that if it wasn't for a detective? Or is there an individual that has betrayed you within your mafia group?

So which one was your kill Kommodus or Hughtower? I am betting its Hughtower.



Because it took you this long to concoct your baloney story? Let's frameup the guy who didn't buy into your "let's kill 5 people for the good of the town" rubbish eh?:thumbsdown:

Oh that was just to stir the pot to get some Mafia to reveal themselves. It seems to have worked, However, not as well as I would of liked, but maybe it did if Moros turns out to have played us with the message. But for now I will wait on the autopsy results on him. Someone has been betraying the townies to your little mafia group - I am just not sure which one. Could it be my old buddy Tom_Hagen or is it someone else?



What's it going to be Red? A bandwagon tomorrow, or murder me tonight?

Oh I think its the rope for you. Your guilty as they come. Your definitily white glove mafia given that your involved in more killings then just N6. But I see from you defense that your not denying that you have killed more then once.

[Xiahou]

Whats wrong, can't face the fact that I know you have killed especially on Night 6. Hmm how else could I know that if it wasn't for a detective? Or is there an individual that has betrayed you within your mafia group?How do you "especially" kill someone? :dizzy2:


Oh I think its the rope for you. Your guilty as they come. Your definitily white glove mafia given that your involved in more killings then just N6. But I see from you defense that your not denying that you have killed more then once.So you think you can drive a lynch bandwagon on me based wholly on unsubstantiated supposition? Good luck with that- I don't think the town is so gullible. I guess that must mean that you have someone who you think is more a threat to your reign that you'll be murdering tonight? How many kill teams do you have left?


But I see from you defense that your not denying that you have killed more then once.What is that? "When sir, did you stop beating your wife?" :laugh4:

I haven't killed anyone. Not on one night "especially" or any other combination of nights. I'd say your detective must be lying to you- but I doubt you actually have one.

[Redleg]

How do you "especially" kill someone? :dizzy2:

Nice try - the word is only misspelled. If that is what your focusing on then you are indeed guilty. Try it the sentence with this word specifically - in its rewritten form the sentence would read - Whats wrong, can't face the fact that I know you have killed, with one murder committed specifically on Night 6.




So you think you can drive a lynch bandwagon on me based wholly on unsubstantiated supposition? Good luck with that- I don't think the town is so gullible. I guess that must mean that you have someone who you think is more a threat to your reign that you'll be murdering tonight? How many kill teams do you have left?

Ah a reaching arguement - considering that I saved all my protection PMs to Seamus. I see your still not denying that you have committed murder. Your digging yourself deeper and deeper into your own grave. So which one did you kill - come on now confession is good for the soul.




What is that? "When sir, did you stop beating your wife?" :laugh4:


Ah is not about "beating your wife" its about a detective investigation that shows you are guilty and that you were involved in the Night 6 deaths. Now I know you want me to reveal who the dective is that gave me that inforamtion, but one has alreadly revealed himself, I suspect your going to attempt to kill him tonight. So why give you two detectives to kill tonight when you alreadly have one to target. Come on now Xiahou give up the ghost - your toast.



I haven't killed anyone. Not on one night "especially" or any other combination of nights. I'd say your detective must be lying to you- but I doubt you actually have one.

Oh the tangled web we weave when we first set out to decieve. Your caught there Xaihou you have committed murder most likely for the mafia since your not confessing that you committ a murder for the town on night 6.

Your attempts won't get me to reveal the detective. So your going to have to present a better arguement. Can we say lynch - now who now is your Don - who has been attempting to pull the wool over my eyes. It was working until you began to post in response to Tom_Hagen's comments. I don't have it all added up yet but your going to die the pirate's death on the next lynching day.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Just posting here to wish our mafia friends a good night. http://matousmileys.free.fr/zzz27.gif



Alexander the Pretty Good
Kagemusha
Pindar
Xiahou
Proletariat (shows up 'innocent' so probably the donna.)

Tom_Hagen (barging in at the end to destroy the town through either delusion or malice)




Nighty night my mobby little mobsters. And don't you go and be afraid of any monsters hiding under your bed now, you hear?

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[Don Corleone]

How about we try this one on for size:

Redleg=Don (shows up innocent or criminal, never guilty)

Luigi=Luca

Omanes
Orb
Ituralde (?) Not sure about this one....

If you think I'm talking out my ass, answer me this... why do Tin Star kills go up when Redleg is director? Go back and read the thread. Chart one against the other... it's a linear function. Why? Because they have extra muscle when they don't have to protect Redleg.

[Pindar]

Just posting here to wish our mafia friends a good night. http://matousmileys.free.fr/zzz27.gif



Alexander the Pretty Good
Kagemusha
Pindar
Xiahou
Proletariat (shows up 'innocent' so probably the donna.)

Tom_Hagen (barging in at the end to destroy the town through either delusion or malice)

Nighty night my mobby little mobsters. And don't you go and be afraid of any monsters hiding under your bed now, you hear?

Actually, if the mob is simply anybody who voted to lynch your apparent lackey Moros then you should have added JimBob.

The unnerving thing is there are two distinct mobs out and about: the White Glove and Tin Stars. It may be bloody tonight.

God save us from the wrath of the French turned Italian. How many have fallen to his knife? How many has he seduced into his foul plans. Moros was at least one.

[Redleg]

How about we try this one on for size:

Redleg=Don (shows up innocent or criminal, never guilty)

Luigi=Luca

Omanes
Orb
Ituralde (?) Not sure about this one....

If you think I'm talking out my ass, answer me this... why do Tin Star kills go up when Redleg isn't director? Go back and read the thread. Chart one against the other... it's a linear function. Why? Because they have extra muscle when they don't have to protect Redleg.

Oh you might want to direct your question to Alexander since the detective has sent me this information.


Alexander TPG = Guilty! He participated in killing Destroyer of Hope. On Night Three he helped kill Major Robert Dump. On Nights One & Two he was sleeping. No Role Info.

So again your digging yourself deeper along with Xiahou. Evidence is being compiled against Xiahou at an alarming rate, concerning his activities. Now I wonder what will happen if the detectives re-investigate you Tom_Hagen?

Interesting possiblities for the Night after all.

I just love when a well laid trap begins to pay off. One confirmed mafia with Xiahou and one confirmed new mafia the tin star gang with Alexander - oh am I having fun right now.

Just three more to identify for confirmed mafia.

[Don Corleone]

Investegate me, chief. Unfortunately, I'll be dead. If you really wanted me investegated, you should have done it before now. I'll give you and Luigi credit, an endless supply of unnamed detectives, very clever. Funny we never get the results. I was working for you, and you never told me boo about them.

But ask yourself, if you're not the don I think you are... if you're on a townie mission... why is luigi okaying townie kills? Two kills, and the townies aren't townies anymore, they're wiseguys. Read the rules. Either you're a mob, or you really are townies and you haven't figured out the town loses when you guys go vigilante.

Me, I'm going to PM a nice "sleep" command. Cheers.

[JimBob]

Don, I am a named detective. My results thus far.

Ichigo = Innocent
Sasaki = Innocent
Luigi VI...: Innocent
Moros: Criminal
Reenk: Criminal
Redleg: Innocent
Omanes...Idiot = Guilty! Participated in a killing N4
Papewaio = Innocent

[Redleg]

Investegate me, chief. Unfortunately, I'll be dead. If you really wanted me investegated, you should have done it before now. I'll give you and Luigi credit, an endless supply of unnamed detectives, very clever. Funny we never get the results. I was working for you, and you never told me boo about them.

Oh but you were informed. Now Moros informed me that your investigation came back guilty - but that could have been made up. Not really sure about that. But if it is then all that makes you is a wiseguy.



But ask yourself, if you're not the don I think you are... if you're on a townie mission... why is luigi okaying townie kills? Two kills, and the townies aren't townies anymore, they're wiseguys. Read the rules. Either you're a mob, or you really are townies and you haven't figured out the town loses when you guys go vigilante.

Me, I'm going to PM a nice "sleep" command. Cheers.

you are confused. From Seamus first post

2) Wise guys operating as an independent “family” have no Dons, Mades, or Lucas, and can perform only 1 killing for each 3 Wise guys. Following their 3rd successful murder, these 3 wise guys may choose one of their number to become a Made.

If a townie only kills two others it does not make a made guy - the understanding of the rules means that in order to be made the townie wiseguy must kill 3. All from within the same group of them. Now since we are only asking townies to kill tonight because of the number of mafia players that are believed to be still around the town has no choice but to kill a few off besides just the lynch. If we don't the town will lose by default soon because the mafia will outnumber us. If a wise guy has not killed before - this one kill that was asked of wiseguys would not equate to being made? Are you confessing to a kill from earlier? Were you involved in a previous kill on one of the previous nights, is that why you are so concerned about that? Well it takes three kills as the rules clearly state.

Now I covered a lot of this in the PM I sent you - now I suppose you don't believe the detective stuff - but I am not ready to reveal that source yet - got to protect him some more. So what is it - you for the town or against? Xiahou has been involved in multiple killings - its as simple as that. Lots of good information coming from him - and its got several people twisted in little knots about what I know and what I don't know.

Hell if you don't want to perform a kill for the town - there is always protection missions. My goodness.

Don't worry Tom_Hagen the townie kill groups are after unknow possiblities we are after the ones we have confirmed as Mafia.

Still waiting for a response from Alex its time to bear your soul and save your skin.....

[ByzantineKnight]

Gah! I missed the voting.

btw Proletariat does not seem guilty, otherwise why is Crazed Rabbit wanting to get his "donna" killed so badly?

He might be faking it though...

[Csargo]

Gah! I missed the voting.

btw Proletariat does not seem guilty, otherwise why is Crazed Rabbit wanting to get his "donna" killed so badly?

He might be faking it though...

From that Sasaki & GH chatlog I'm thinking Prole is guilty and using that as a cover-up.

[JimBob]

From that Sasaki & GH chatlog I'm thinking Prole is guilty and using that as a cover-up.
We're back to wine in front of me. She can't be guilty because CR wants her dead to she must be guilty because CR wants her dead, its a cover up to She can't be guilty because CR is trying to frame her to etc.

[HughTower]

haha, well played Hugh. Where did you get the townie pm from? I don't remember when I first pm'd you.

I thought you were being conveniently helpful with that "lynch the lurkers" campaign.

Been a while since on this thread - it's fricking' hilarious (& very clear who the Mafia are) when you read all in one go.

Thanks Sasaki - there was a flaw in your 'handshake' process, which I'll reveal after the game end. However, when Redleg reveals his Don status at the end of the game, he'll be worthy of the plaudits. A Don, btw, can protect on night missions, & that's what he's been doing.

As for for the lurker campaign, it's amazing how many of them have woken up now......Xiahou, eh?

I'll watch with interest.

[Redleg]

Been a while since on this thread - it's fricking' hilarious (& very clear who the Mafia are) when you read all in one go.

Thanks Sasaki - there was a flaw in your 'handshake' process, which I'll reveal after the game end. However, when Redleg reveals his Don status at the end of the game, he'll be worthy of the plaudits. A Don, btw, can protect on night missions, & that's what he's been doing.

As for for the lurker campaign, it's amazing how many of them have woken up now......Xiahou, eh?

I'll watch with interest.

Well considering you turned out dirty, and played me as a patsy early in the game to your mafia friends, we both know I am not a mafia player. Rather an obvious attempt to caste suspecion on me.

I am rather amused.

The question that everyone must ask themselves is who are you actually trying to protect?

[HughTower]

Well considering you turned out dirty, and played me as a patsy early in the game to your mafia friends, we both know I am not a mafia player. Rather an obvious attempt to caste suspecion on me.

I am rather amused.

The question that everyone must ask themselves is who are you actually trying to protect?

No-one, I am the last of my family. You will see no more kills from us.

And I'm not a Mafia player either, Redleg, just sensible enough not to trust people in these games without hard proof. If Sasaki, with his experience, was able to make a mistake, so are you, & it doesn't make you a 'patsy'.

Personally, I choose to believe less in your public personna of a 'whiter than white', but naive townsman (i.e. I don't think anyone is that gullible), & more in the probability that you are Don. I came to this conclusion when you were first elected Director through a rush of votes for no apparent reason & when you were protected for no apparent reason early on in the game. You've convinced Luigi, who is clearly innocent, & you've played a great game thus far.

Bravo to you, Sir!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Thanks Sasaki - there was a flaw in your 'handshake' process, which I'll reveal after the game end.


Heh, to be honest, I was more concerned with convincing people I was townie than with figuring out if they were. Let me guess, when I asked you the question you asked someone else and gave me their answer?

[Moros]

Just great, instead of killing of the mafiosi, you believe the ones named as mafiosi and take out the one who gives you another name of a mafioso. And then they want the town to win. Idiots. Sigh.

So please make sure you lynch one of the mafiosi this time. Idiots, idiots, idiots. They just go after those who made most mafia lycnh, idiots.

I might have believed Sasaki for a long time but even I wouldn't have done this sort of thing. :no:

Anyway, now let me see how I got killed. I hope it had soemthing to do with pie.

[Moros]

Also seeing that I used "betsy" see role pm indicates and prooves me being the rogue. So this time listen to me one last time as I will now leave this town for good. Lynch pindar. Most of those who voted me are also Mafia. Don't try ties as the mafia then has more chace of getting an innocent to lynch as it requires less votes. Lynch Pindar and eat as much pie as you can, now you still can. I see a mafai victory.

:no:

[Moros]

How about we try this one on for size:

Redleg=Don (shows up innocent or criminal, never guilty)

Luigi=Luca

Omanes
Orb
Ituralde (?) Not sure about this one....

If you think I'm talking out my ass, answer me this... why do Tin Star kills go up when Redleg is director? Go back and read the thread. Chart one against the other... it's a linear function. Why? Because they have extra muscle when they don't have to protect Redleg.
Being prooved to be the rogue (betsy) I can assure anyone of Omanes' innocence and Redleg's. You on the other Tom, seems to agree a lot with guys being confirmed as mafioso. Late joiner, heh? Well Sweet dreams. Be glad I was lyched otherwise I would have given you a visit together with betsy.

[Louis VI the Fat]

No-one, I am the last of my family. You will see no more kills from us.

And I'm not a Mafia player either, Redleg, just sensible enough not to trust people in these games without hard proof. If Sasaki, with his experience, was able to make a mistake, so are you, & it doesn't make you a 'patsy'.

Personally, I choose to believe less in your public personna of a 'whiter than white', but naive townsman (i.e. I don't think anyone is that gullible), & more in the probability that you are Don. I came to this conclusion when you were first elected Director through a rush of votes for no apparent reason & when you were protected for no apparent reason early on in the game. You've convinced Luigi, who is clearly innocent, & you've played a great game thus far.

Bravo to you, Sir!I guess it's no wonder the white gloves managed to murder you so easily. You still can't see the obvious truth when it's right in front of you...

Redleg and I are innocent townies. Townies, but with an attitude and balls.

Never resting in our relentless hunt for mafiosi, we've exposed a gazillion mobsters so far, and have nearly exposed them all. It's all in the thread for those willing to work it out.

Then again, it is all rather difficult, not to mention gargantuan. Don't worry, even Sasaki still doesn't understand how we brought him down - he still hasn't got a clue about which PM of his betrayed him to me. Pindar is still wondering about the same thing. Crazed Rabbit thinks he was ratted out.
Prole eventually gave herself away in the thread - she can't be this foolish. Was she playing me or was I playing her? AtpG, Kage, Xiahou - we're on to them too. And we're by no means finished yet, we've got some surprises up our sleeves still...


And Moros, the mafia were saved simply because they were all online at the moment supreme, and we weren't. If the deadline was half an hour later, we'd have won this game. We had them by the 00s.
Bah, the banality of it. :shame:

[HughTower]

Redleg and I are innocent townies. Townies, but with an attitude and balls.

Too much Dirty Harry, methinks! Put yourself on a diet of tofu & alfalfa, Luigi, & still your beating heart.

Redleg is a Don. And you, his patsy.

[Moros]

Oh, please HT. We all know that they are innocent. We all know almost every mafia. Don't act silly. It's not about information anymore it's about outvoting and out killing the mafiosi, now. To bad the mafia knew this earlier it seems.

[HughTower]

Oh, please HT. We all know that they are innocent. We all know almost every mafia. Don't act silly. It's not about information anymore it's about outvoting and out killing the mafiosi, now. To bad the mafia knew this earlier it seems.

No we don't.

Why do you show up in JimBob's investigation as criminal?

[Redleg]

No-one, I am the last of my family. You will see no more kills from us.

Which is exactly why you are attempting to misdirect others now.



And I'm not a Mafia player either, Redleg, just sensible enough not to trust people in these games without hard proof. If Sasaki, with his experience, was able to make a mistake, so are you, & it doesn't make you a 'patsy'.

Ah a contradiction - first your the last of your family and then your not a mafia player. Interesting.



Personally, I choose to believe less in your public personna of a 'whiter than white', but naive townsman (i.e. I don't think anyone is that gullible), & more in the probability that you are Don. I came to this conclusion when you were first elected Director through a rush of votes for no apparent reason & when you were protected for no apparent reason early on in the game. You've convinced Luigi, who is clearly innocent, & you've played a great game thus far.



Well when one tells the truth - its not hard to remain consistent with their approach.

[Louis VI the Fat]

No we don't.

Why do you show up in JimBob's investigation as criminal?He went on a killing mission against Andres, there was a huge argument about it in the thread.

[May I kindly suggest] you read the thread and [think it all over again], so you'll stop repeating the nonsense of the very people who killed you.



Edit: Sorry about the previous comment. It's edited out. I let myself get carried away a bit there.

[Dutch_guy]

No we don't.

Why do you show up in JimBob's investigation as criminal?

Because he participated in a vigilante group killing I suspsect, probably the Andres murder.

:balloon2:

[HughTower]

He went on a killing mission against Andres, there was a huge argument about it in the thread.


I'll ignore your comment about making an arse of myself, & suggest that he would have recieved a 'Guilty' verdict for that, not a 'Criminal' one.

I read the thread. And the rules.


Ah a contradiction - first your the last of your family and then your not a mafia player. Interesting.

Mafia (the game) requires players. This is my first game - like you - hence I am not a Mafia player. I am/was a Mafioso in this game.

QED, no contradiction, Don.

[Redleg]

Mafia (the game) requires players. This is my first game - like you - hence I am not a Mafia player. I am/was a Mafioso in this game.

QED, no contradiction, Don.

Nice try to reword but the initial paragraph was a contradiction. It seems you are attempting nothing other then a misdirection. I wonder why? Who was your Don, and who were your other mafia helpers?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sorry about the comment HughTower.

What's more, it seems that I was the one making a certain something of myself. Moros shows up as criminal because he will always show up criminal as a rogue detective:


Investigations:

You will always register as “criminal” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the 2nd DAY phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Day #3). Your sources are great, and have access no cop could duplicate, but they move at their own pace.
.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Well, well, well. Redleg's got it all figured out. Lynch all of these people and we'll be safe. Of course, we'd have to take Red's word on that. And the words of some "detective." I could very well make a similar message regarding The Director himself. Except as the Don, he'd come up innocent.

Woo. That was a doozy, Red. Sorry I took so long, but my education is more important than refuting your accusations.

And it makes sense that HT (a mafia) would know about rival mafia now, wouldn't it?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Yes he would wouldn't he Alexander the Pretty Good the Mafioso.

[Redleg]

Well, well, well. Redleg's got it all figured out. Lynch all of these people and we'll be safe. Of course, we'd have to take Red's word on that. And the words of some "detective." I could very well make a similar message regarding The Director himself. Except as the Don, he'd come up innocent.

Woo. That was a doozy, Red. Sorry I took so long, but my education is more important than refuting your accusations.

And it makes sense that HT (a mafia) would know about rival mafia now, wouldn't it?

Hmm I wonder why your name is listed as one of those that were involved in Major Dump's murder. Not much of an denial is it. Oh and I have other bombshells for later. But I just want to see how you and your mafia buddies attempt to spin things.

So why did you kill Major Dump? Why did you use a tin star for you sign of murder?

[HughTower]

Sorry about the comment HughTower.

What's more, it seems that I was the one making a certain something of myself. Moros shows up as criminal because he will always show up criminal as a rogue detective:



Accepted with no hesitation whatsoever, but if you're using the word 'arse', doesn't that make you English?

Moros hasn't posted this role (Rogue Detective) anywhere though - has he? This is simply regurgitated from Sasaki's forged PM, surely. (Though if you furnish me with a post #, I will retract)


Nice try to reword but the initial paragraph was a contradiction.

No it wasn't. My grammar & English is as clear & precise as it has ever been. It is either your interpretation that is flawed, Don Redleg, or your desire to twist my words to suit your own nefarious ends that is apparent here.

[Moros]

Accepted with no hesitation whatsoever, but if you're using the word 'arse', doesn't that make you English?

Moros hasn't posted this role (Rogue Detective) anywhere though - has he? This is simply regurgitated from Sasaki's forged PM, surely. (Though if you furnish me with a post #, I will retract)



No it wasn't. My grammar & English is as clear & precise as it has ever been. It is either your interpretation that is flawed, Don Redleg, or your desire to twist my words to suit your own nefarious ends that is apparent here.
Oh hell TS, agonny, sasaki (should have showed it to him) and someone else? Have seen it from me before I posted.

[Xiahou]

Moros shows up as criminal because he will always show up criminal as a rogue detective:How convenient. :rolleyes:



Hmm I wonder why your name is listed as one of those that were involved in Major Dump's murder. Not much of an denial is it. Oh and I have other bombshells for later. But I just want to see how you and your mafia buddies attempt to spin things.

So why did you kill Major Dump? Why did you use a tin star for you sign of murder?
You'd better start agreeing with Redleg before he and his band of "innocent townspeople" kills you. :dizzy2:

I can't wait to see what he has in store for me tonight. Remember, if you disagree with him his "detectives" will suddenly find you guilty of multiple murders- and if that isnt good enough to get you lynched, he'll just have his goons kill you. It's amazing how he sits there and doles out unsubstantiated information, while claiming to intentionally withhold other information from the town- and yet so many "townspeople" jump into action whenever he determines someone needs killing... probably evidence of how large his family has grown.

The town's in trouble I think...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Hmm I wonder why your name is listed as one of those that were involved in Major Dump's murder. Not much of an denial is it. Oh and I have other bombshells for later. But I just want to see how you and your mafia buddies attempt to spin things.

So why did you kill Major Dump? Why did you use a tin star for you sign of murder?

Red, I can implicate you in two random murders. It doesn't actually prove them.


Oh and I have other bombshells for later
Bombs are the best way to destroy a town.


So why did you kill Major Dump? Why did you use a tin star for you sign of murder?
Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist party? ~:rolleyes:

[Redleg]

How convenient. :rolleyes:

Well obvious when one reads the role description one would see that. That is mistake number two.


You'd better start agreeing with Redleg before he and his band of "innocent townspeople" kills you. :dizzy2:

LOL - that would still be less murder then you have committed.



I can't wait to see what he has in store for me tonight. Remember, if you disagree with him his "detectives" will suddenly find you guilty of multiple murders- and if that isnt good enough to get you lynched, he'll just have his goons kill you. It's amazing how he sits there and doles out unsubstantiated information, while claiming to intentionally withhold other information from the town- and yet so many "townspeople" jump into action whenever he determines someone needs killing... probably evidence of how large his family has grown.

Oh the dective information has been confirmed - and you have yet to attempt to deny it, I find it telling that your responding to the information by attempting to misdirect versus answering directly. Are you afraid of getting caught in the lies that you have stated to others?



The town's in trouble I think...

Yep - but from you and a few others that have alreadly been mentioned.

[Redleg]

Red, I can implicate you in two random murders. It doesn't actually prove them.

That is true - but you don't have a detective that can backup the accusation with Sasaki dead



Bombs are the best way to destroy a town.


Well to prevent an actual mafia victory - that might just have to be done



Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist party? ~:rolleyes:

That wasn't the question - nice attempt at redirect, but it won't work. Again why did you murder Major Dump

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Why should we trust your "detective"? You came up innocent, just like a Don would.

Why did I murder MRD? Because I... didn't? :inquisitive:

[Redleg]

Why should we trust your "detective"? You came up innocent, just like a Don would.

Why did I murder MRD? Because I... didn't? :inquisitive:

Oh the detective is real and your digging yourself deeper.

Shall we review once again the post



Alexander TPG = Guilty! He participated in killing Destroyer of Hope. On Night Three he helped kill Major Robert Dump. On Nights One & Two he was sleeping. No Role Info.

Things are beginnig to untangle in the web that the mafia has woven over the town - its just a matter of does the town have enough time and people left to kick the scum out.

TIme will tell.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Redleg = Guilty! He participated in killing Caius Flaminius. On Night Five he helped kill Dutch_Guy. On Nights One & Two he was sleeping. No Role Info.

Guilty! Why did you do it? Who are your confederates?! ~:rolleyes:

And good dodge, by the way.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Just returned. Lost out to USAA:shocked2: Not happy. Planning to take it all out on you folks.

Kidding. I'll process the PMs and summarize as soon as possib.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Guilty! Why did you do it? Who are your confederates?! ~:rolleyes:

And good dodge, by the way.
Results can be inaccurate. Remember, like you said you mafia scum!*

*no offence intended.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

My point is any one of us player can fabricate such a message, though you have seemed to have missed that point.

I know I'm innocent. Redleg wants me dead. He's either a mafia or he's been fed bad information. The town can decide - do we want to lynch an innocent or do we want to take another long, hard look at Redleg and his desperate accusations. He's been given a free pass this whole game.

[Redleg]

My point is any one of us player can fabricate such a message, though you have seemed to have missed that point.

I know I'm innocent. Redleg wants me dead. He's either a mafia or he's been fed bad information. The town can decide - do we want to lynch an innocent or do we want to take another long, hard look at Redleg and his desperate accusations. He's been given a free pass this whole game.

Only if I fabricated the message - I have no need to use such an obvious attempt at deception - my method is to tell the truth as I see it, and see where the information takes me. Face it Alex the information comes from a detective - one's who's information I verified with another source. Now all you defend yourself is with fabrications of my being the don, and that I fabricated the message. That sir is not a defense of the information that is an attempt to deflect it. Your guilty, and guilty again. At least two murders under your belt. One was a benefit to the town nevertheless, but with two and a possible third one I haven't been informed about gives you the opporunity to become made.

SO spill the beans my friend your caught in a trap of your own making.

[Xiahou]

Well obvious when one reads the role description one would see that. That is mistake number two.Oh right... the role PM. And we should believe that, why?


Oh the dective information has been confirmed - and you have yet to attempt to deny it, I find it telling that your responding to the information by attempting to misdirect versus answering directly. Are you afraid of getting caught in the lies that you have stated to others?I haven't denied it? Someone will have to explain what the hell I've been doing then. :dizzy2:


I haven't killed anyone. Not on one night "especially" or any other combination of nights. I'd say your detective must be lying to you- but I doubt you actually have one.Here I though that was a pretty unequivocal denial- and I know you saw it because you quoted it later trying to say it was evidence that I fell into some absurd trap of yours. Of course, you never said what that trap was... but little bits of information like that never get in the way do they?

[Louis VI the Fat]

if you're using the word 'arse', doesn't that make you English?It is Commonwealth English. It is what they teach at school, and what I believe is the standard English in most non-English speaking countries. Hence my 'neighbour', 'lad', or 'give us a kiss, love'.

I use 'arse' when speaking with you. And I try to use a more American English when adressing Americans. At least insofar as I'm aware of the differences between the two. Strike for the South for example would be an ass. He's my buddy, not my mate, and he plays football and hates soccer. I ask him for the way to the subway, and you for the underground or tube.

Ah, the blessings of a good education and an unfinished study of linguistics.

[/non-game related stuff for you to read while eagerly awaiting Seamus' write-up]

[Kagemusha]

So Luigi,now that you have accused me of beeing mafia multiple times,please elaborate what kind of evidence you have to back your claims? Also could you clear up have you accepted townie killings during this game?

[Redleg]

Oh right... the role PM. And we should believe that, why?

Well as a mafia member you don't want it to be believed. That is evidence enough



I haven't denied it? Someone will have to explain what the hell I've been doing then. :dizzy2:


Attempting to misdirect....:idea2:



Here I though that was a pretty unequivocal denial- and I know you saw it because you quoted it later trying to say it was evidence that I fell into some absurd trap of yours. Of course, you never said what that trap was... but little bits of information like that never get in the way do they?

Try again you might figure it out - it is a rather simple trap laid out in a rather simple manner. Call it a fishing trip if you will, the thing is, with the little trip I have caught some fairily big mafia fish.

You being one
Alex being a killer - most likely made by now

I just love how much both you and Alex are giving away about your mafia connections without meaning to do so, in your efforts to redirect suspecion onto me versus yourselves.

The picture of your deception to the town is almost complete.

[Pindar]

It is Commonwealth English. It is what they teach at school, and what I believe is the standard English in most non-English speaking countries. Hence my 'neighbour', 'lad', or 'give us a kiss, love'.

I use 'arse' when speaking with you. And I try to use a more American English when adressing Americans. At least insofar as I'm aware of the differences between the two. Strike for the South for example would be an ass. He's my buddy, not my mate, and he plays football and hates soccer. I ask him for the way to the subway, and you for the underground or tube.

Ah, the blessings of a good education and an unfinished study of linguistics.

[/non-game related stuff for you to read while eagerly awaiting Seamus' write-up]


I would assume most, if not all, of the Continent learns Queen's English insofar as they study the tongue of Albion.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I would assume most, if not all, of the Continent learns Queen's English insofar as they study the tongue of Albion.Most probably. And most of Africa too, plus all former British colonies.

I wonder about South America though. Could be American. Asia I don't know. The Indian subcontinent most definately uses 'received pronounciation' (or 'Queen's English'). Their English surpasses that of the British themselves. East Asia feels more Americanised. Wait! Now I remember: English if they play cricket or rugby. Where baseball is played - American.

[Kagemusha]

Luigi im waiting.Or did cat got your tongue?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Luigi im waiting.We figured you were mafia by that girly Armani suit and pink thingy around your neck in your avatar.

Nice touch guys, these silky smooth white gloves. Ya'll use lipstick too? Woman's clothes? Prancing about in lace underwear for each other? :smash:

[Kagemusha]

We figured you were mafia by that girly Armani suit and pink thingy around your neck in your avatar.

Nice touch guys, these silky smooth white gloves. Ya'll use lipstick too? Woman's clothes? Prancing about in lace underwear for each other? :smash:

Ah.Who we?Are we getting all playfull,when we should be shoving some real evidence?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Luigi, why did you state earlier that it was you who ordered the Tin Star mafia to whack me?

CR

[Redleg]

Luigi, why did you state earlier that it was you who ordered the Tin Star mafia to whack me?

CR

You would be best served asking that of Alexander since he was in the killing of Major Dump?

[Crazed Rabbit]

AtPG made no such statement - stop trying to divert attention with your 'detectives', whom have apparently chosen you as their prophet.

I want the answer from Luigi.

CR

[Kagemusha]

Red have you at any point considered that you might be having a viper in your lap? Luigi im still waiting.Show your proof, or do you just like throwing wild accusations around?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Night Eight Summary


Xiahou hadn’t walked 4 blocks from the convention center when he decided to hail a cab for the rest of the trip. As he opened the door to get in, he heard a pair of strange metallic <clinks> from the shadows of the recessed entryway of the building to his right. Arcing into the light were two hand grenades!

Xiahou ducked just a little, and both grenades landed in the back of the cab. On reflex, Xiahou slammed the door and dove behind the cab into the wet gutter. A half second later, both grenades went off, perforating the startled drivers face and head and adding another innocent bystander to the casualty rolls.

Xiahou leapt up, gun in hand– it seemed everybody went armed in Fatlington anymore – to face his attackers, but whoever had thrown the weapons had scampered off into the building. Catching them would be impossible. Xiahou did not wait for the police, but quickly ran to a different avenue. He felt the need for a stiff drink.


Tom_Hagen was a little further on his trip home. He too was walking, having decided against a car as too much of a target. Instead, he had taken the boardwalk, choosing open terrain and visibility over stealth or speed. It wouldn’t help.

As he reached one of the stairwells leading to the beach, a dark figure detached itself from the dim shadows near the boardwoalk side of the Abbatoir Hotel and walked towards Hagen. Hagen stood stock still – unsure which way to break. Just as suddenly, figures carrying riot shields leapt up onto the boardwalk in front of Hagen. The move to interpose themselves between Hagen and the dark figure just as the dark figure withdrew a long-barreled pistol from his coat…

A sudden gust of wind off the Atlantic grabbed the shield bearers and kited them off the boardwalk to land on the street next to the hotel – they were out of it.

Atop a balcony several floors up, gunfire slashed out aimed at the shadowy figure with the long pistol. Others were opening fire to defend Hagen! The Shadowy pistoleer ducked and weaved. Suddenly the firing stopped.

Slowly the crouched figure of the pistoleer stood erect. He held the long barreled antique dueling pistol in one hand, drawing a bead on Hagen’s head. Hagen gulped. There was nowhere to run, no way to hide, and in the confusion he hadn’t gone for his own weapon. The gunman gently squeezed the trigger; <fizz;> a misfire! Hagen went for his gun as the shadowy figure broke back towards the building. Hagen got off a few shots, but was too jangled to take proper aim. His target slipped away into the dark streets. Hagen stood shocked for a moment or two, but then quickly went for the lobby – to call a cab.


Ituralde always tried to keep an eye out for trouble, so when he spied two men harassing a young woman outside the drugstore across the street from the restaurant he’d just exited, he had to do something to help her.

As he reached the struggling trio and began shouting for the men to leave her alone, the woman suddenly grew quiet, calmly adjusting her skirt back into place. Ituralde paused, confused.

The younger man spoke. “That’s your exit cue sweet-cheeks.”

The girl departed quickly as Ituralde started to speak.

“But I thought…”

““Don’t worry about it,” said the older man pulling a heavy caliber pistol from his coat.

“Don’t trouble yourself about anything,” said his companion, gun already in hand.

Ituralde was backing up and going for his weapon as well, but he knew he would be too slow…

When suddenly a hail of gunfire – A Tommy gun on what would later be nicknamed “full rock and roll” – erupted from a parked car in front of the restaurant and repeatedly hammered the two gloved gunmen smashing them back through the window of the drugstore as Ituralde dropped to the ground and rolled between two parked cars. When he got warily back to his feet, the two gunmen were gone, having beaten a retreat through the back of the drugstore – they must have come armored – and the car with his savior (saviors?) was only a pair of tail-lights rounding the corner of the next block. Ituralde exhaled in relief. <<All-in-all,>> he thought, echoing Field’s tag-line <<I’d rather be in Philadelphia.>>


A while later, Xiahou, thoroughly upset and just returning home from a bracer at the corner “tappy,” spun quickly at the strange metallic scrape, already leveling his pistol at the shadow breaking away from the alley to his right. He felt his neck being cut even as he completed his spin and jumped back a step. He was ready to fire, but paused ever so briefly in surprise.

Before him stood some kind of ancient Greek warrior, dressed in what someone who was just a bit better versed in history than Xiahou would have recognized as the bright red anorak and full panapoly of a Spartan Hoplite. It also answered how he had managed to cut Xiahou from a distance of nearly 10 feet away, since the spear this hoplite had used had a reach of more than 8 feet. Xiahou blinked and took aim at the still-standing Lacadaemonian, but found he couldn’t make his fingers work…or his legs….blackness.

When the soporific wore off, Xiahou awoke to find himself immovably tied to a post at the far end of what must be a warehouse. He was swaddled head to toe in painted burlap in a fashion that made him appear to be exactly the same as the other two staked-out target dummies — only his eyes were uncovered. He tried to shout, but quickly realized his throat was painfully dry and he could make hardly any sound – his throat was so dry and constricted he had to work to breathe. When he looked the 40 or so yards away to the other end of the large room, he was perplexed by what he saw – unfortunately for Xiahou, his confusion quickly resolved itself into fear.

Standing at the far end of the practice range was the “hoplite” and with him were another dozen folks dressed in ancient Greek tunics – all of them holding javelins! Xiahou was, unwittingly, the guest of honor at the Fatlington Greek Historical Society’s monthly re-enactment meeting. They were talking and laughing – the turnout was better than usual since all of the fishing boats were in port because of the storm. They had been doing their monthly drill practice with spears and swords, proud of their heritage, and had begun to look forward to a little well-earned lamb and retzina, the smell of which was already permeating from the other half of the warehouse sized venue.

The Hoplite shouted something in Greek and the talking died down and everyone took position. Xiahou’s heart began to pound like an anvil in his chest. He struggled, but didn’t even manage to wiggle enough to be noticed.

The Hoplite issued the commands – in Greek of course – for “Two Rapid Throws” and “Let fly!” He and his peltasts complied, rapidly throwing down range, stepping back while switching hands on the second javelin each held and loosing the second shot almost as soon as the first round began to reach the targets.

Xiahou was struck four times on the first volley – the re-enactors were all pretty fresh having not been working the boats for a week now – and twice on the second. They were stunned and horrified to see blood pouring out of one of their straw dummies of course and raced down the range to help. The hoplite quietly exited. It was of no avail. Xiahou had taken 3 major wounds to the chest and a 4th that had gone completely through his neck. He would die within seconds from shock and blood loss.

Afterwards, as the stunned fishermen discussed the horrific events with the police, no one could remember what the hoplite looked like – he’d stayed helmeted throughout – and everybody else had assumed that one of their companions had invited him. Two of the javelins had been both heavier than the others and adorned with writing. The first read:

Duty
Kagemusha
Proletariat

The second, the one transfixing Xiahou’s neck to the post, was more poetic:

Wings of iron, piercer of the sky/From the Cretan's bold hand fly/Betray us not, nor disappoint/And being cast at Xiahou, disjoint.

The cops finished up their interviews, leaving the scene to the coroner, and made their way – after a stop at Flanagan’s which featured no jokes or ribaldry whatsoever – to turn in their reports.


CountArach was cold. The weather was almost clear after a week of rain and clouds, but it had turned even chillier. He had been waiting in the little park for some time and the sense of “dark” was growing, even though there had been no change in the lighting. The dark was dangerous.

He decided his contact could speak with him in the morning, the better course would be to return home. Home was familiar territory, his territory. Arach worked his way through the streets always aware of his surroundings. He didn't relax until he stood at his door – one close call was enough. He turned the key, the door opened and within a step he felt...the warm body of Francoise his cat moving against his legs in welcome. Soon enough, Fifi was curled in a ball at the hearth and there was a warm mug of chocolat – not very sweet – on the small table next to his favorite chair. Arach sat and picked up his 1st edition of “The White Company” in his hand. He had always thought this book outranked any of Arthur Conan Doyle's Holmes' stories. <<There was simply no accounting for an Englishman’s tastes,>> he mused. Reading of Hawkwood in Medieval Italy took him away from the worries of the here and now.

“Reading about mercenaries I see?”

Arach was jolted back to reality. He saw two figures standing in his room. The man continued.

“I supposed those who sell themselves are attracted to the same. In the end they’ve all been reduced to playing the whore.”

The figure behind the speaker pulled the trigger of his silencer. Arach slumped back in his chair, a bullet hole through his forehead. The speaker walked to the corpse. He picked up the book, wiped off the blood that had splattered on the cover and tucked it up it under his arm. He then laid a white glove in the lap of the corpse. As the man walk out the room he spoke over his shoulder:

“Kill the cat as well.”

Au revoir, Fifi. Nous vous avons à peine connu.


Pindar made a rendezvous with destiny at a little after Midnight. He was driving home through the still-wet streets when, coming to an intersection, he started taking aimed fire from three directions.

Both tires were gone along with the windshield and the bullets were tracking with him into the foot well of the front seat. Pindar slid quickly and opened the passenger door – for some reason it was quiet there – and quickly rolled out of the car. With his broken vehicle serving as cover from the slow heavy caliber shots from the other directions, Pindar found himself facing a storefront – a storefront of a completely darkened store.

Pindar was terrified, scanning for a threat from this darkened building, but not seeing any hint of movement. He used his pistol to lob shots at the gun flashes from the other buildings, but only to keep his attackers behind cover – it would take a miracle to stop even one of them.

Finally, low on ammunition, Pindar rapid fired the last of his shots and ran at the darkened building.

<<All or nothing,>> he thought.

He crashed through the store’s door is a spray of glass and rolled into the shop. Empty. No lurking gunman waiting with a final shot, despite the sense that he’d been herded in this direction. Without any further hesitating, he made it out the back, up a fire ladder and away over the rooftops. There was no pursuit. Tonight’s destiny was not final.


Redleg nodded his assent for Fermanagh to begin the morning briefing. A short recitation of the night’s events brought them up to date on the latest carnage. Then Seamus paused before beginning his “post-mortem” updates.
“Well now, we’ve put in the legwork needed to acquire the information requested by the committee. With the subjects dead, there has been far less protest about rights violations and the like, so…

He paused, a little hesitant.

“Anyway, we’ve determined that two of our suicides were criminals. Both Masy and Xdeathfire were players – wise guys – with criminal pasts. They do not seem to have been active at all in this recent crisis however, though we have an unconfirmed rumor that Masy wanted to go straight.”

He shuffled through his papers.

“I don’t know what to make of the information we’re getting on former director Kojiro. Sasaki was, apparently, affiliated with the Mafia gangs – in fact he came over from Palermo following the war and was reputed to have powerful connections with Charlie Lucky and the rest of the crowd at Murder, Inc. It seems his skill was as some kind of fixer or trouble-shooter. It was claimed by one caller from New York that he could make an axe-murderer come off looking like a dime-store shoplifter if he had a little time to “fix” things. He certainly was glib, but he was an enemy of our town.”

“Sadly, I do have to report we lost a few good guys. Drisos was just a quiet member of the committee – didn’t even participate much – who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. His family is taking it pretty hard. Destroyer of Hope was an even worse loss. I can now confirm that he was one of my hidden Detectives. Indications are that he’d been inactive for a while, and we have reason to believe that any information he did have died with him – he wasn’t able to pass the information as Guru was.”

“I’m sorry it’s a bit of a mixed bag here. Good luck in your deliberations.”

Redleg sat straight.

“Thank you chief. We’ll take a 10-minute break and then get started with the morning n discussion session."


OOC

The Butcher’s Bill so Far:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3), JimBob (N6), CountArach (N7), Ituralde (N8), Pindar (N8), Tom_Hagen (N8), Xiahou (N8)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5) [townie], The Stranger (D6) [townie], Sasaki Kojiro (D7) [The Wolf], Moros (D8)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4) [townie], Sir Boo (N4) [wise guy], Sir Moody (N4) [townie] AndrestheCunning (N4) [wise guy], Dutch_Guy (N5) [townie], Sigurd Fafnesbane (N5) [townie], Ultrawar (N5) [townie], Crazed Rabbit (N6) [mafia made], HughTower (N6) [mafia made], Kommodus (N6) [doctor], Warluster (N6) [wise guy], Destroyer of Hope (N7) [Detective], CountArach (N8), Xiahou (N8)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4) [townie], Peasant Phill (N5) [townie], theRTWGuru (N5) [townie], Pannonian (N6) [townie], Masy, (D7) [wise guy], Xdeathfire (D7) [wise guy]

WoGged: MarcusBrutus (D5) [townie], Hepcat (N5) [townie], Ignoramus (N5) [townie], Zalmoxis (N5) [townie], Drisos (N7) [townie]

Dead: 39, Living: 18


Day Nine begins: Selection Votes for Director (10 & 11) and Lynch Votes are due no later than 1500 EST 2/3/7 ( I will count nothing posted later than 1504 -- a small allowance for simul-posting). Warning: I will be as prompt as possible, but the weekend is more in flux at my house. Please be patient.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Well guys, we have a new mafia:
The Duty:
[Companion's names]
Poetic mafia.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What a night of violence! And it appears Redleg has joined in the killings:


Slowly the crouched figure of the pistoleer stood erect. He held the long barreled antique dueling pistol in one hand, drawing a bead on Hagen’s head. Hagen gulped. There was nowhere to run, no way to hide, and in the confusion he hadn’t gone for his own weapon. The gunman gently squeezed the trigger; <fizz;> a misfire! Hagen went for his gun as the shadowy figure broke back towards the building. Hagen got off a few shots, but was too jangled to take proper aim. His target slipped away into the dark streets. Hagen stood shocked for a moment or two, but then quickly went for the lobby – to call a cab.

The same weapon he killed Moros with, was it not?

CR

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Redleg was busy. He had nothing to do with this.

Select: Redleg
Vote: Kagemusha

Xiahou is suspected mafia. From the new mafia's clues: Prole is the don, Kage is the luca/made.

[Xiahou]

Redleg was busy. He had nothing to do with this.
:laugh4:

Both families attacked me- how nice. I honestly didn't think there were enough people left in town to pull of so many kill attempts and protections. I'm not sure how I gained the wrath of both Redleg's family and another- but apparently I was more of a threat to them than even I thought.

Clearly, Redleg wasn't as confident as he led us to believe about being able to bandwagon lynch me on his flimsy evidence though. Hopefully, my death wises up any real townies left.. though I suspect there aren't many. :no:

[Redleg]

:laugh4:

Both families attacked me- how nice. I honestly didn't think there were enough people left in town to pull of so many kill attempts and protections. I'm not sure how I gained the wrath of both Redleg's family and another- but apparently I was more of a threat to them than even I thought.

Clearly, Redleg wasn't as confident as he led us to believe about being able to bandwagon lynch me on his flimsy evidence though.

Actually I am confident of the ability to get you lynched. But what the hell its better to try to get several of you dirty scum mafia at once then not. A rather interesting night as it was.

[Kagemusha]

Redleg was busy. He had nothing to do with this.

Select: Redleg
Vote: Kagemusha

Xiahou is suspected mafia. From the new mafia's clues: Prole is the don, Kage is the luca/made.

Oh mr.Idiot That was awfully quick from you.Please give as bit more reasoning?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Vote: Pindar

Select: Redleg



I'll bandwagon any other confirmed townie for director if the town should so desire.

[Xiahou]

Actually I am confident of the ability to get you lynched. But what the hell its better to try to get several of you dirty scum mafia at once then not. A rather interesting night as it was.
Still keeping up the pretense of being pro-town? You don't really think anyone still believes that do you? Not that it matters, I suspect there isn't more than a handful of real pro-town players left. Looks like Don Redleg has numbers on his side.


I'll bandwagon any other confirmed townie for director if the town should so desire.You'd have to ask Redleg for the list first wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

I'm still not positive whether you're in on it with him or just being duped... although, you are apparently sending out hits.

[Kagemusha]

All i can say at this point is for the few remaining townies to go back and read the thread. Sasaki was indeed the wolf.Look at the people he assiciated himself with. I think im the only confirmed wiseguy alive who is criminal not guilty.So i cant be a Don. Select: Kagemusha

[CountArach]

Gah! Out I go!

[Orb]

Redleg was busy. He had nothing to do with this.

Select: Redleg
Vote: Kagemusha

Xiahou is suspected mafia. From the new mafia's clues: Prole is the don, Kage is the luca/made.

Where do you get that last bit from?

There have been three other 'poetic' kills - the latter of which had the unusual bolded 'Duty'... IIRC

Select: Luigi - I trust him more than Redleg
Vote: Abstain - I don't know who to gun for at this time...

[Warluster]

i think that Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot killed last night, whos avatar has something to do with Hoplites, and one of the killings had Re-enacted Hoplites right? So wouldnt Omanes have something to do with that....?

[Xiahou]

Luigi is in Redleg's pocket- the only benefit in voting for Luigi is that it'd cut down on their kills since the Luca would have to protect Redleg instead of joining kills

Kage, at least, maintains an independent voice- he'd be a good choice.

[Proletariat]

So who's your 'source', Redleg? The opening post describes three detectives. DoH, Jimbo and Moros. You're lying.

Time's running out, Redleg. A bit hamhanded of your family to attack everyone you've been throwing dirt on in the same round, as if that many townies could be coordinated. Putting my name on the note was a nice touch, too.

:balloon2:

[Csargo]

So who's your 'source', Redleg? The opening post describes three detectives. DoH, Jimbo and Moros. You're lying.

Time's running out, Redleg. A bit hamhanded of your family to attack everyone you've been throwing dirt on in the same round, as if that many townies could be coordinated. Putting my name on the note was a nice touch, too.

:balloon2:

Nice of you to show up. ~;)

[Proletariat]

Ah, right, whoever posts the most often is likely to be innocent. Not everyone has the time to sit and camp this thread all day long. Have you noticed how often I've been in the chat over the last month, Ichi? Maybe that was part of my plan so I could refute such an accusation down the road? Or possibly I just have been busier than usual outside of the Org

Anyway, whether you believe his crock or not, we need to stop giving Redleg carte blanche here. Select: Kage

[Redleg]

So who's your 'source', Redleg? The opening post describes three detectives. DoH, Jimbo and Moros. You're lying.

Ah but I am not - did you not discover that there is one additional detective - one that was clearly posted in the rules.

DOH and Jimbob were the Town Detectives
Moros was a Rogue Detective - a special role
THen there is the FBI Detective

Edit: The quote from the first post of the thread.


FBI Detective:
a) May investigate two persons per night phase. Results, which parallel those of the regular detective, will not be available, however, until the beginning of the next night phase. FBI resources are slower, but will produce better and more informative results than a regular detective.
b) You will appear as “innocent” if investigated, unless and until your actions change your role.
c) Acts as a townie in most respects, but may not participate in a kill group


Which would indicate that I am not lying. But no need for me to devulge my secert of who he is, since its got all you mafia running in circles trying to figure out how I know what I know. Its rather funny that instead of responding to the posts themselves all of you are attempting to claim I am the don. Accusations of saying that I lie have been easily disproven so far. When one maintains consistency in their actions - its rather simple to keep them straight.



Time's running out, Redleg. A bit hamhanded of your family to attack everyone you've been throwing dirt on in the same round, as if that many townies could be coordinated. Putting my name on the note was a nice touch, too.

:balloon2:

Kind of like you having one of your mafia members try to use the muzzle-loading pistol for a hit on Tom_Hagen someone that I didn't want killed, and had protected last night because I suspected some mafia group would attempt such a tactic. Seems that it worked now didn't it. Mafia attacked, Tom Hagen Protected. Just ask Jimbob and Papewaio who they protected last night.

LOL - your gang has been caught.

[Don Corleone]

Whoever protected me, thank you.

I'm pretty well convinced now that Redleg and Luigi are in a gang, but I don't think Redleg is the Don. That dueling pistol just rings too true.

I'm pretty certain I know who protected me, and to them, I extend my heartfelt thanks.

Select: Kagemusha (He's as deserving as anyone, and I'm done with the Redleg/Luigi mob passing the directorship among themselves).

Vote: Redleg

[Crazed Rabbit]

Oh please, Redleg. Lengthy posts without substance, repeated claims that the detective talks only to you, self proclaimed hegemon of the town. Sasaki, wolf, ensnared the rouge detective. I hope the real FBI detective has not been similarily ensnared by you.

It has become increasingly clear that you and Luigi are trying to take over this town for your own nefarious ends.

Luigi still is silent to my question of why he said he ordered the tin stars to attack me. Yet still he leads the town on, and some follow.

I wonder how long the town, or what remains, will accept this ; your decrees with no proof of who is guilty, by your own admittance sending kill groups after those who displease you, the minions mindlessly voting as you do.

So blatant and public are your sins, yet you are casual, and throw guilt on others without hesistation. Everyone who disagrees must be mafia, and you send multiple kill teams out after them, filled with minions or beguiled townies I assume. Truth is like a light shone into dark places...the question for the town is, do they still have use of their eyes, that they might see what the light reveals?

Crazed Rabbit

[Redleg]

Whoever protected me, thank you.

I'm pretty well convinced now that Redleg and Luigi are in a gang, but I don't think Redleg is the Don. That dueling pistol just rings too true.

I'm pretty certain I know who protected me, and to them, I extend my heartfelt thanks.

Select: Kagemusha (He's as deserving as anyone, and I'm done with the Redleg/Luigi mob passing the directorship among themselves).

Vote: Redleg

Hmm have you talked to Jimbob and Papewaio about who protected you last night? I find interesting that you believe that I am in a gang of mafia - I wonder who ordered your protection (that one I know) and who ordered you to be killed (that one I don't).

Do you need the FBI Detective to come forward and sacrifice himself so that you are convinced that Xiahou played you?

Well we await your decision because I have a feeling the game victory for the town rests on you. Your postion is in the crux of the conflict between town and mafia. So what do you need to be convinced about who is mafia and who is not? That is why I asked several individuals to protect you, hell you can even ask Reenx who was also asked but refused to do so.

You have a good portion of what I know alreadly in your PM box. I laid several traps in information to feret out information and who might be mafia. Some have been hit, others not.

One thing for sure, Alexander and Xiahou were involved in the murders that were posted in this thread. And the PM I forwarded to you is from the individual who informed me of their actions - Because of Sasaki duping of Moros I removed a critical piece to insure the information is not used by someone for false purposes. Now the decision is yours.

[Kagemusha]

Im voting for Pindar now. You have some explaining to do.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Select: LuigiAh, Luigi VI - now there's a confirmed townie. I'll support this.


Select: Luigi VI.

(And finally a good night's sleep for me :jumping:

...life's tough without protection)

[Louis VI the Fat]

What a night of violence! And it appears Redleg has joined in the killings:


Slowly the crouched figure of the pistoleer stood erect. He held the long barreled antique dueling pistol in one hand, drawing a bead on Hagen’s head.

The same weapon he killed Moros with, was it not?
I'm pretty well convinced now that Redleg and Luigi are in a gang, but I don't think Redleg is the Don. That dueling pistol just rings too true.
Blimey, these amateur mobsters can't do anything right. Look lads, if you really want to fool everybody that we are some sort of blood thirsty killers then first get your act together, will you? :wall:

First they fail in their set-up to frame Redleg and me with an attempted murder on Tom_Hagen. The town protected Tom. We saw it coming from miles away hey? What with you all shouting two hundred times in the thread: 'Look out people! Bloodthirsty vampires Redleg and Luigi are going to take revenge on Tom tonight!'
Not that our protection was necessary, they only send one guy. Wouldn't want to waste their accomplice.

And secondly they can't even remember that Moros wasn't killed by an antique dueling pistol. What, CR, Tom? Been killing a bit too much? Can't keep your kills apart from one another? :no:

And thirdly: aren't Redleg and I tin stars or something? Or are we the 'antique duelling pistol' mafia now? Make up your mind will you?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Why did you say you ordered the tin stars to kill me, Luigi?

CR

[Louis VI the Fat]

Why did you say you ordered the tin stars to kill me, Luigi?Because it gives me the chance to say to a confirmed mobster like yourself that you scream like a girl when you get whacked.

That gives me pleasure.

And it got you to talk and reveal useful information.

[JimBob]

Proletariat = Innocent

Tom_Hagen = Guilty! He participated in the murder of CountArach on Night Eight!
Last nights investigation results. Prole comes back innocent. Don killed Arach last night, Arach had a white glove. Don is part of the white gloves. I don't think I need to explain my vote any further.

Vote: Tom_Hagen

And since I am the detective and since my living on would be a good thing for the town, and it frees up a protection group.
Select: JimBob


And one more thing that is bugging me.

Last night I protected Tom_Hagen with Pape and Redleg. Or so I thought.
I received this message today

Protect Tom_Hagen = Failure!

Proper coordination orders were not received from all 3.
Now I sent mine,

02-01-2007 N8 Protection
22:16 Papewaio, Redleg, Seamus Fermanagh
And Pape sent his

]A protection group has been formed to protect Tom Hagen consisting of Papewaio, Redleg, Jimbob

To Seamus
CC:Papewaio, Redleg, Jimbob

So Red didn't send his in. Why Red?

[Xiahou]

So Red didn't send his in. Why Red?Why indeed? :idea2:

[HughTower]

So Red didn't send his in. Why Red?

Because he's a Don. Always has been, always will be. Remember how he was protected N2? Who did that? Mother Theresa?

The man's like Kaiser Sose. Truly, I salute you, Redleg.

[Redleg]

Last nights investigation results. Prole comes back innocent. Don killed Arach last night, Arach had a white glove. Don is part of the white gloves. I don't think I need to explain my vote any further.

Vote: Tom_Hagen

And since I am the detective and since my living on would be a good thing for the town, and it frees up a protection group.
Select: JimBob


And one more thing that is bugging me.

Last night I protected Tom_Hagen with Pape and Redleg. Or so I thought.
I received this message today

Now I sent mine,

And Pape sent his


So Red didn't send his in. Why Red?

That is easy - I switched mine from Tom_Hagen to attempt to kill Pinder who I suspected of being Mafia. I attempted to get Reenx to fill in for me but he did not. Something I have no problem admitting.

But I see you confirmed Tom_Hagen's Guilt in the matter, at hand.

[Redleg]

So what we have so far is

Tom_Hagen Killed CountArach calling card is a white glove
Tom_Hagen claims Xiahou was giving him information that contradicted mine.
Xiahou has two kills with one being on N6
Alexander also has killed, both MRD and one other - a calling card was left. All one has to do is check the description in the kill.

Proleriat has been defending Xiahou

There is one mafia group identified.

Now my creditablity is shot - unless of course the FBI Detective decides to reveal himself - and provide the information from last nights investigation requests that he conducted.

If the mafia wants go ahead and vote for my lynch - the mission I set out to do has been accomplished and the mafia rat in my confidence has beened smoked out.

Now that just leaves the Tin Star Gang and I am pretty sure liugi has a pretty good clue to them to.

Nicely played - I don't mind swinging at all - if it removes the mafia threat from the town.

Thanks Jimbob for posting your findings - you did indeed established my previous post that Tom_Hagen was key to the game.

I salute you and if my vote counts

Select:Jimbob

Reason he saved the town

[Don Corleone]

Oh boy, here we go again. Hugh's right. Redleg IS Kaiser Sose. He's a riddle, inside an enigma, wrapped in a mystery.

So let me get this straight. Luigi is claiming the fact that he and you protected me proves your innocence. And then you turn around and say you didn't protect me, you tried to kill Pindar. Hello? Is this making any sense to anyone?

JimBob, I have no idea how they've managed to convince you to lie. But either 1) you're not the detective/FBI agent, you're the serial killer or 2) Luigi and Redleg have convinced you I'm guilty and you made that story up. Either way, you're going to bring the town to an end if you keep it up.

Look, there's only 2, possibly 3 people I trust at this point. I'm not mentioning any names because they'll be tarred and feathered with Luigi and Redleg's lies next.

I'll give you guys credit, you do think of every angle. :juggle2: :juggle2: :juggle2:

JimBob, if you're not the serial killer, it's not too late. Tell the truth and let's end this. If we can get Redleg and Luigi lynched (I think Redleg is the don, but honestly, I can't tell anymore), I can all but guarantee a town victory. Once the two of them are dead, the game will be over. Trust me. One of the two of them is the Don.

If you are the serial killer, I'm not surprised you're helping them out, but you've really given me a mountain of work to go back through and re-question all your previous reports. :dizzy2:

[Redleg]

Oh boy, here we go again. Hugh's right. Redleg IS Kaiser Sose. He's a riddle, inside an enigma, wrapped in a mystery.

So let me get this straight. Luigi is claiming the fact that he and you protected me proves your innocence. And then you turn around and say you didn't protect me, you tried to kill Pindar. Hello? Is this making any sense to anyone?

JimBob, I have no idea how they've managed to convince you to lie. But either 1) you're not the detective/FBI agent, you're the serial killer or 2) Luigi and Redleg have convinced you I'm guilty and you made that story up. Either way, you're going to bring the town to an end if you keep it up.

Look, there's only 2, possibly 3 people I trust at this point. I'm not mentioning any names because they'll be tarred and feathered with Luigi and Redleg's lies next.

I'll give you guys credit, you do think of every angle. :juggle2: :juggle2: :juggle2:

JimBob, if you're not the serial killer, it's not too late. Tell the truth and let's end this. If we can get Redleg and Luigi lynched (I think Redleg is the don, but honestly, I can't tell anymore), I can all but guarantee a town victory. Once the two of them are dead, the game will be over. Trust me. One of the two of them is the Don.

If you are the serial killer, I'm not surprised you're helping them out, but you've really given me a mountain of work to go back through and re-question all your previous reports. :dizzy2:

Jimbob is not the serial killer. Now all we need now is the FBI Detective to come forward and the mafia's goose is cooked.

[Don Corleone]

Jimbob is not the serial killer. Now all we need now is the FBI Detective to come forward and the mafia's goose is cooked.

Aren't your conversations with the FBI agent a little like saying "A little bird told me". I think you come up with your cover story, then say the FBI agent told you. If the FBI agent was still alive, they would have put an end to this long ago. Let me guess, you're dramatically calling for the FBI agent to make themselves known. In the meantime, Luigi is prepping one of your guys one every last detail.

Oh, I bet the FBI agent is going to make an appearance tonight. And he's going to validate Redleg's theories 100%. Except now that I said that, Luigi's going to have to change the story so that Redleg was wrong on a couple of non-essential details. But don't be fooled. No FBI agent would have let that whole charade with Rabbit, GH, Prole and Sasaki go down. He would have come forward and said "Prole is the donna", or he would have said "No, Prole isn't". I don't know who it was, but they're dead and have been for at least 2 turns. The person who's going to come forward after Redleg's dramatic call for them to make themselves known is going to be one of their underlings.

This is better than watching the Maltese Falcon and Chinatown in a double feature. Well done, Redleg and Luigi, but we've got you. The town is going to lynch one of you and then the other. If we guess right, we'll be done tomorrow. Otherwise, Monday. It makes no difference, your time is up and Fatlington will survive!

[Louis VI the Fat]

I think we can safely accept Jimbob's investigation on Tom_Hagen. Just like we can safely accept Moros' investigation on Pindar.

Let's not let the mafia lynch another detective just like yesterday.

Select: JimBob



Prole and Kage are possibly innocent. Prole shows up as innocent. Kage as criminal. There is a possibility that the former is a townie and the latter a wiseguy.
Our friends who whacked Xiahou send a clear message. Thanks.


That would mean:

AlexandertheprettyGood
Tom_Hagen
Pindar
Xiahou
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki




Redleg joined me at the last minute on a last resort killing attempt at Pindar, he had to fill in for someone. Pity we couldn't get the fourth to confirm on time.

[Don Corleone]

You guys realize that between Moros, JimBob, and all the other detectives you've claimed to have lined up, half the town were detectives?

And which is it? Did you guys protect me, or did you go kill Pindar?

Your story is fraying apart, guys. Better huddle up.




I think we can safely accept Jimbob's investigation on Tom_Hagen. Just like we can safely accept Moros' investigation on Pindar.

Let's not let the mafia lynch another detective just like yesterday.

Select: JimBob



Prole and Kage are possibly innocent. Prole shows up as innocent. Kage as criminal. There is a possibility that the former is a townie and the latter a wiseguy.
Our friends who whacked Xiahou send a clear message. Thanks.


That would mean:

AlexandertheprettyGood
Tom_Hagen
Pindar
Xiahou
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki




Redleg joined me at the last minute on a last resort killing attempt at Pindar, he had to fill in for someone. Pity we couldn't get the fourth to confirm on time.

[Louis VI the Fat]

It's game over Tom. Go and spend some quality time with your beloved ones rather than wasting your energy typing.

[Redleg]

Aren't your conversations with the FBI agent a little like saying "A little bird told me". I think you come up with your cover story, then say the FBI agent told you. If the FBI agent was still alive, they would have put an end to this long ago. Let me guess, you're dramatically calling for the FBI agent to make themselves known. In the meantime, Luigi is prepping one of your guys one every last detail.

LOL - I see your focusing on me versus what Jimbob stated - your guilty Tom_Hagen and I even warned you in a PM that I was attempting to feret out the mafia spy in my ranks - and you still fell right into it. Rather clever of me don't you think?



Oh, I bet the FBI agent is going to make an appearance tonight. And he's going to validate Redleg's theories 100%. Except now that I said that, Luigi's going to have to change the story so that Redleg was wrong on a couple of non-essential details. But don't be fooled. No FBI agent would have let that whole charade with Rabbit, GH, Prole and Sasaki go down. He would have come forward and said "Prole is the donna", or he would have said "No, Prole isn't". I don't know who it was, but they're dead and have been for at least 2 turns. The person who's going to come forward after Redleg's dramatic call for them to make themselves known is going to be one of their underlings.


Well the truth is the truth, I was wrong about one person so on your little list, and I don't have a problem admitting it at all - it seems Proleriat was a victim of mis-identification by me and liugi. However the evidence points to the fact that you are indeed White Glove Mafia - since Jimbob has the evidence on you and you acknowledge that he is the detective.



This is better than watching the Maltese Falcon and Chinatown in a double feature. Well done, Redleg and Luigi, but we've got you. The town is going to lynch one of you and then the other. If we guess right, we'll be done tomorrow. Otherwise, Monday. It makes no difference, your time is up and Fatlington will survive!

Tell you what let there be a tie between you and me - and well go for a good old arkansas toothpick fight and I will let Seamus write the ending if its allowed. The guilty individual will fall to the innocent's knife. Want to play?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

haha, judging from the kill descriptions, there are like 3 mafia families left still. From the way accusations are flying around I'm betting most of the town is mafia and they are desperate to eliminate eachother. Good luck to the 5 or 6 townies still alive.

[Pindar]

haha, judging from the kill descriptions, there are like 3 mafia families left still. From the way accusations are flying around I'm betting most of the town is mafia and they are desperate to eliminate eachother. Good luck to the 5 or 6 townies still alive.

What a blood fest. I'm still alive. I didn't expect that. It does look like there are three groups. Very interesting.

Vote: Redleg
Select: Kage.


I guess I should explain above. I think Redleg is a Don or high up amongst the bad guys. I have worked some with Kage in protections so I think he is one of the good guys.

God save us from the night of the long knives :skull:

[Ironside]

Well, the results of tonight was interesting. Unless Seamus changed the protection rules, the the first attack on Xiahou was short on people.

And the attack on Pindar is a townie attack falling short on one man (3 attackers and seems to be one man short).


Alright, time to clear myself, I have been working in a protection group with Kommodus (and people who I won't mention unless they request it) and we have been in a successful protection group together. Sadly he got his doctor title post-mortem when we protected JimBob. :sad: I'll pm Kommodus to make him officially confirm my innocence (I'm not sure how much he follows with the thread atm).

I'm going to follow JimBob's advice here:

Vote: Tom_Hagen
Select: JimBob

JimBob asked for protection before (and did promise to reveal why the night after wich he did) and did after that claim his role as detective and posted something that certainly look as a correct pm.

[Louis VI the Fat]

We've silenced you Sasaki. And Kralizec, and Beirut. And Crazed Rabbit, and Xiahou. We'll now lynch either Pindar, Tom or Alex. Of the two left standing I'll try and kill another tonight.



Tell you what let there be a tie between you and me - and well go for a good old arkansas toothpick fight and I will let Seamus write the ending if its allowed.Non.

Our fates are bound Redleg. We win together or we go down together.

I've never made a secret out of it that I my goal is to rid rid this town of all mafia. Nor was I in any way silent about it that I would strike at them myself last night.
If the town is doomed, then I die while riding out openly against the mafia. I'll go down fighting. I don't seek shelter in a protection group when the situation is desperate for the town. You joined me at the last minute, of which I'm proud.

So we go down together or we win this.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Alright, time to clear myself, I have been working in a protection group with Kommodus (and people who I won't mention unless they request it) and we have been in a successful protection group together. I request it.

[Xiahou]

And the attack on Pindar is a townie attack falling short on one man (3 attackers and seems to be one man short).That's certainly consistent with Redleg being a Don isnt it? He can't protect or join in killings- so he lied about it to both groups and is now trying to tap dance his way out of it...


haha, judging from the kill descriptions, there are like 3 mafia families left still. From the way accusations are flying around I'm betting most of the town is mafia and they are desperate to eliminate eachother. Good luck to the 5 or 6 townies still alive.
I'm thinking even that estimate might be overly hopeful... there seems to be almost no townies left.

[Pindar]

We've silenced you Sasaki. And Kralizec, and Beirut. And Crazed Rabbit, and Xiahou. We'll now lynch either Pindar, Tom or Alex. Of the two left standing I'll try and kill another tonight.



I don't understand your attack. The only thing I've seen about myself was Moros' charge. It wasn't compelling. He had a poorly forged PM and then put forward easily countered charges that I was out killing every night when the very night before I had been in a protection group that you yourself had suggested and got the confirming PM to.

I think Redleg is one of 'them', you may be one of the 'them' or you may be confused: bedazzled by their darkness.

[Don Corleone]

You guys are too much. Okay, go ahead and lynch me. Ironside, I think you're innocent. Just know that when Luigi and Redleg's mafia family wins, you gave them the victory. Do you have any reason to believe JimBob other than 'he said so'. This is a hoot... Redleg challenges me to a duel that's not even in the rules (if it existed, I would take you up on it in a heartbeat).

And the thing I find funny, nobody has caught on to how Luigi and Redleg protect themselves and their henchmen.

Redleg confirms JimBob. JimBob confirms Redleg. Luigi speaks for both of them. Surely, they must be telling the truth.

Two days ago, Luigi and Redleg had an investegation report that said I was innocent. They were confirming my innocence, and I went on every protection party Luigi or Redleg asked me to go on.

Then, they get greedy and tell Omanes to take me on a kill with him. When I ask them about it, they blow it off. Luigi never answered why he did that if he's a townie. Redleg doesn't appear too concerned about it either.

So I come out in the thread, and accuse them. And voila, the propaganda machine focues on me. The only surpise in all of this is that they got JimBob to go along with them.

Ironside, after you guys lynch me, the town can still win by my count. If the game doesn't end after I'm gone, lynch Luigi, Redleg, and then JimBob. One of the 3 of them WILL end the game. Assuming there's enough townies left by that point.

Well played Don Redleg, Luca Luigi.

[Pindar]

That's certainly consistent with Redleg being a Don isnt it? He can't protect or join in killings- so he lied about it to both groups and is now trying to tap dance his way out of it...


This is what I was thinking. It's one reason Redleg fits the Don profile.

[Louis VI the Fat]

That's certainly consistent with Redleg being a Don isnt it? He can't protect or join in killings- so he lied about it to both groups and is now trying to tap dance his way out of it...You're mafia and you're dead. :smash:

We failed because we were one man short and it wasn't Redleg. There where three of us, not the required four. This is confirmed.

What worth does your word have against that of a living innocent townie?



This is what I was thinking. It's one reason Redleg fits the Don profile.You're confirmed mafia and dead soon.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok let's start a poll. Which mafia family is going to win:

White glove
Tin Star
Poetry mafia

I'm predicting the poetry mafia, they seem to be able to slip under the radar, no ones discussing them. I bet the other two families will take each other out and the poetry guys will coast to victory.

[Don Corleone]

And one more point for you all to consider. Who else, but a townie, can go idle for a week? If I was in a mafia, or a don, and I disappeared for a week, don't you think my gang would have used me as a shield, pointing the finger at me... the only use I actually gave them?

The ONLY thing I did for the first week was read the PM Luigi gave me for protection order and mailed it in. Ask him about that. Ask Banquo. Ask Redleg. Or ask Kagemusha. I protected with all of them. I didn't vote. I didn't select. And I didn't post a whit. All because I was up to my I-teeth in work and family issues.

In any game I've ever played, if anything, when I'm mafia, I'm even more active. I go even more paranoid than usual, accusing everyone to muddy the waters.

This time, I've only accused two people. The two who told me to go out on a killing spree when they supposed to be running a protection racket. I've accused them solidly and repeatedly, and thus far, the only defense either of them has is the other's good word on their behalf.

[Don Corleone]

You're mafia and you're dead. :smash:

We failed because we were one man short and it wasn't Redleg. There where three of us, not the required four. This is confirmed.

You're confirmed mafia and dead soon.

Why do you and Redleg keep saying that? The only confirmation we have is your henchmen JimBob, aka the detective, and Redleg's phantom FBI agent.

Give me a break! It's confirmed that Luigi has confirmed his own lies!

[Ironside]

haha, judging from the kill descriptions, there are like 3 mafia families left still. From the way accusations are flying around I'm betting most of the town is mafia and they are desperate to eliminate eachother. Good luck to the 5 or 6 townies still alive.

They have to consist of only one or two mades. Or if marks require a don, 2 mades and a don. They have been weakened the white gloves a bit. I suspect that only one family with successful recruits would be very hard to win against as a town.


I request it.

Luigi was the third member of the protection group on JimBob, with a successful save, and our third member on our protection group for several nights, making it impossible for him to be a mafia role, except for possibly a Don.
But he has also not acted on information that would be very damaging for the town if it came in the wrong hands (like the name of one of the doctors), thus making him a very poor Don if he was one.

Taken together, I would say that it's very, very certain that he's innocent and is working for the town.

[Redleg]

They have to consist of only one or two mades. Or if marks require a don, 2 mades and a don. They have been weakened the white gloves a bit. I suspect that only one family with successful recruits would be very hard to win against as a town.



Luigi was the third member of the protection group on JimBob, with a successful save, and our third member on our protection group for several nights, making it impossible for him to be a mafia role, except for possibly a Don.
But he has also not acted on information that would be very damaging for the town if it came in the wrong hands (like the name of one of the doctors), thus making him a very poor Don if he was one.

Taken together, I would say that it's very, very certain that he's innocent and is working for the town.

Yes indeed - especially since he told me not to worry about protecting Jimbob early on because he was going to ask you - and informed me that you were the doctor.

[ByzantineKnight]

Select: ByzantineKnight
Vote: Abstain

[Kagemusha]

Whats the count?If you really want to win this game townies,dont put an innocent as director.

[Don Corleone]

Now Redleg, Luigi... remember, when you finally trot him out here, we're going to ask your FBI agent a LOT of questions, so make certain he's got his story straight, down to the last detail before you have him 'appear'.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Guys, I have a confession to make. I'm actually the FBI detective:




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Your Role: FBI Detective

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are Fatlington’s resident FBI Detective. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the next night phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Night #2). When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (40% if Made/Luca, 60% if Wise Guy, 80% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you may not participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.
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Sorry for lying to you all along :shame:

[Kagemusha]

Sasaki thats just lame.

[CountArach]

Hahaha, chalk up I think Sasaki's third reveal this whole game...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sorry JimBob. Nothing is more dangerous in this town than being a pro-town detective exposing mafia. :shame:

The mobsters, dead or alive, all come out in force, throw random accusations, spam the thread with 26 pages of rubbish and then lynch the detective while the townies are wondering what's going on and abstaining. :wall:


For the sake of your town, townies:

Select: JimBob

Vote: Pindar

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hahaha, chalk up I think Sasaki's third reveal this whole game...

4th ~:pimp:

But THIS TIME IT'S TRUE I SWEAR!!

I blackmailed Seamus into posting that fake description in the write up saying I was mafia. I was just ashamed that I let you guys down.

Here are my latest results by the way:

Night six:

CountArach: Criminal, Made Gangster (Fettuccini). He participated in the killings of Don Giovannni on Night 4 and of Don Juan on Night 2.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Guys, I have a confession to make. I'm actually the FBI detective:

Blahblah

Sorry for lying to you all along :shame:You know, in a masochistic way I almost like the way you make a fool of the town here. It's so spot on.

Of course it's in Seamus' write-up that you are the wolf. But how many here can see the truth even when it's spelled out right in front of them.


Select: JimBob

Vote: Pindar

[Don Corleone]

I have to believe that Luigi and Redleg would come up with a more credible FBI agent then Sasaki. Surely one of their underlings like Omanes or Ituralde would do a better job. I don't think they had anything to do with this.

But I do have one question. How did Sasaki get a copy of the FBI PM? Has it been floating around?

[CountArach]

4th ~:pimp:

But THIS TIME IT'S TRUE I SWEAR!!

I blackmailed Seamus into posting that fake description in the write up saying I was mafia. I was just ashamed that I let you guys down.

Here are my latest results by the way:

Night six:

CountArach: Criminal, Made Gangster (Fettuccini). He participated in the killings of Don Giovannni on Night 4 and of Don Juan on Night 2.

*Strangles opponents with Fettucini to prove loyalty to his family* :grin: :grin: :wink:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You know, in a masochistic way I almost like the way you make a fool of the town here. It's so spot on.


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[Kagemusha]

Sasaki you are source of all evil.You have the large flaw that you are not woman,otherwise everybody would believe you:whip:

[Redleg]

Guys, I have a confession to make. I'm actually the FBI detective:




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Your Role: FBI Detective

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are Fatlington’s resident FBI Detective. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the next night phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Night #2). When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (40% if Made/Luca, 60% if Wise Guy, 80% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you may not participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.
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Sorry for lying to you all along :shame:

Good try Sasaki did Tom_Hagen send that to you - it happens to be missing a vital part to the role description. Which I left out on purpose in case such a tactic was tried.

When the FBI Detective shows he can demonstrate what the vital part that was missing.

What you have done however from your grave is confirmed once more that Tom_Hagen did indeed spy on the townies and is mafia. Rather disengenous of you to do so after being dead and PM'ing me trying to fish for information as I suspected.

Especially given his attempt to fish for information via PM as soon as you posted this. LOL

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki you are source of all evil.You have the large flaw that you are not woman,otherwise everybody would believe you:whip:
You just have to remember Rule #1:

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[Don Corleone]

What are you talking about, I never saw the FBI role agent PM. If you had it, you sure didn't show it to me, Redleg.

As for this 'critical part of the role' you're talking about, let me guess... YOUR FBI agent will happen to know what it is, right?

Look, maybe you thought you really had the FBI agent. But if Sasaki has that thing, it's clear it's been around for a while and I'm sure more people have seen it. My guess it that the real FBI agent was pretty new to the game and inexperienced and traded roles at the beginning of the game with a mobster. Maybe it was Sasaki, maybe somebody else who gave it to Sasaki.

But I swear, I've never seen it before tonight.

[Kagemusha]

You just have to remember Rule #1:

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I know we have our trusting issues.But once again you were the bad guy and i was the good.Bad,Bad Sasaki.You should sometimes try the good side of things

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good try Sasaki did Tom_Hagen send that to you - it happens to be missing a vital part to the role description. Which I left out on purpose in case such a tactic was tried.

When the FBI Detective shows he can demonstrate what the vital part that was missing.


I left that bit out just to see if you'd notice. Here it is added:

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Your Role: FBI Detective

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are Fatlington’s resident FBI Detective. In the style of Donnie Brasco, you can go undercover and investigate from there. This gives you unequaled access to information. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the next night phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Night #2). When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (40% if Made/Luca, 60% if Wise Guy, 80% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you may not participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.
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[Kagemusha]

A what the hell is Seamus avatar doing there whenyou cant post screenshots?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You copy the avatar and then use the "paste while retaining layout information" (the A/A option) and it shows up. It's an image link.

[Redleg]

I left that bit out just to see if you'd notice. Here it is added:

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Your Role: FBI Detective

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are Fatlington’s resident FBI Detective. In the style of Donnie Brasco, you can go undercover and investigate from there. This gives you unequaled access to information. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the next night phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Night #2). When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (40% if Made/Luca, 60% if Wise Guy, 80% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you may not participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.
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Galliards and lute songs served in chilling ale.
Greetings, well-met fellow; hail!
-- Ian Anderson

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Not even close Sasaki wrong format for the role and still missing key data. I wonder why you are doing this given that you sent me the following PM.






I figured Cowhead for FBI detective ages ago :smash:

Are you fishing - for one of your mafia pals in Seamus game?

But how did you like my trap to find out who the mafia spy was in my group. I thought it was rather clever myself, and obvious in its nature. How did Xaihou and Tom (DonC) miss that obvious trap?

Frankly I have no idea who the mafia are anymore. Too many new groups. But I know about cowhead, Ichigo accidentally revealed it too me.

Must have missed your trap, I haven't been reading too closely.

Sasaki

Okay then you know - I netted him on the fishing trip I went on to gather information. That is where the trapped on DonC and Xiahou started. Since to much information was getting used by the mafia about what my plans were - I knew it was one of three people. I laid different minor traps on all three to find out what they were actually doing.

When I netted cowhead - I used his information and pushed hard in the thread to get them riled up and make some mistakes.

Now the question I have - since this is my first game - did I push to hard to early? My math showed that if the town did not survive the night and if we don't lynch a mafia player in this phase the game is a mafia win. And then there is the wild card of the serial killer - a double edge role that can still swing the win either way at this time.

I'm just going to sit and watch. My win conditions required me to be alive.

I don't think the town deserves a victory though. It's mostly been mafia ratting out other mafia, or mafia ratting out themselves.

Should be interesting.

Sasaki


It seems your not only tempting to cloud the waters your no longer even being clever about it. Thanks for the attempt but it was a stupid one at that. Your just proving my own innocence and the guilt of the mafia.

[Kagemusha]

You copy the avatar and then use the "paste while retaining layout information" (the A/A option) and it shows up. It's an image link.

So you are putting Seamus face there to gain more trust.You know Wolf.You just miss the game,becouse you are out.It wasnt anyone else´s mistake but yours to trust in wrong people.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not even close Sasaki wrong format for the role and still missing key data. I wonder why you are doing this given that you sent me the following PM.




It seems your not only tempting to cloud the waters your no longer even being clever about it. Thanks for the attempt but it was a stupid one at that. Your just proving my own innocence and the guilt of the mafia.

Do you realize what you've just revealed with this post? :smash:

Probably not ~:pimp:

[Redleg]

So you are putting Seamus face there to gain more trust.You know Wolf.You just miss the game,becouse you are out.It wasnt anyone else&#180;s mistake but yours to trust in wrong people.


Edited out by request of a patron.

Not needed to be seen in the game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So you are putting Seamus face there to gain more trust.You know Wolf.You just miss the game,becouse you are out.It wasnt anyone else´s mistake but yours to trust in wrong people.

Who did I trust ~:confused:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

-snip-

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning

[Redleg]

Edited by request of a fellow patron: But Sasaki I meant every word.

[Proletariat]

Nvm

[Redleg]

Edit: Hold off for now Seamus WoG is not fair to someone elses hard work on figuring out who is mafia or not. But for now I am not going to make futher comment until after the voting is completed.

Edit: I lied I did comment farther down after a comment and a true reveal

[Kagemusha]

Red come on down.Please you are better then that.This games are after all crap.Becouse these are about lying to your friends.You are a soldier and gentleman and we know that all.

[Redleg]

Red come on down.Please you are better then that.This games are after all crap.Becouse these are about lying to your friends.You are a soldier and gentleman and we know that all.


Maybe I will calm down in an hour or two - right now I am extremly not happy with a couple of things.

Time to go work off some steam and forget about a few things.

Maybe in awhile I will change my mind - but frankly I doubt it.

[Kagemusha]

nevermind.

[Caius]

This is a game.Nothing more

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I salute you and if my vote counts

Yes, you may select. The Director may not vote to lynch.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You just have to remember Rule #1:

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LOL.

Redleg - don't take the game too seriously - if you get worked up about people lying and double crossing you (not unusual), then perhaps mafia isn't for you.

Anyways, I think it's funny that you claim you and only you are the decider of what is and is not in the FBI PM. We'll just have to take your word for it and whoever you choose as the FBI fellow that the PM you use is the 'real one'.

And of course you'll claim that it has the missing data, which you oh so cleverly hid, as though whenever an unaltered PM is posted an Angel sings through your speakers so you know it's true.

Crazed Rabbit

[Cowhead418]

Alright, I guess there's no point hiding in the shadows anymore. I'm the FBI Detective. I first revealed myself to Caius and Ichigo (who must have squeaked to Sasaki), and then decided to contact Redleg. Here is my PM to Redleg:


Hello, Redleg. I've been posting little so as to not draw my attention to the mafia. I am the FBI Detective, and I've revealed myself only to Caius and Ichigo. I see that you're suspicious of me, and I believe you to be a townie. I want to set things straight. I hope I can trust you. Anyway, here are my previous investigation results:

Night One:


pevergreen: innocent

Sasaki Kojiro: Criminal

-- no role specifics this time out

Here is the information Seamus sent me as to who can show up Innocent, Criminal, or Guilty:


Don = 70% likely to read "Innocent', 30% "Criminal"
Luca = 100% likely to read "Criminal"
*Made = 100% likely to read "Criminal"
*Wise = 100% likely to read "Criminal"
**Townie = 90% likely to read "Innocent", 10% "Criminal"
**Doctor = 100% likely to read "Innocent"
Detective = 100% likely to read "Innocent"

* = "Guilty" 100% on night of a killing
** = "Guilty" 100% on night of a killing and thereafter unless role changes

Night Two:


Apologies, I messed up on that.

Kommodus: Innocent

Redleg: Innocent

No specific role information.


I won't delay your investigations past their normal time again -- sorry.

Night Three:


Big King Sanctaphrax: Innocent

Moros: Criminal

No specific role information.

Please do not respond/use this info until after the summary is posted at 1400. Thanks.

Night Four:


AndrestheCunning: Guilty!

-- On the night you investigated him, he participated in the murder of Caius Flaminius.

Sasaki Kojiro: Innocent

Night Five:


Apologies. You are correct, as a quick review of my backup files confirmed.

Proletariat: Innocent

The Stranger: Guilty! [Townie] participated in the murder of AndrestheCunning on Night Four.

Night Six:


Kagemusha: Criminal -- no role info

Xiahou: Guilty! -- no role info

You have also learned that Xiahou has participated in more than one murder (including the one on N6)!

I'm currently investigating Orb and Alexander the Pretty Good.

And here is my role PM:


Your Role: FBI Detective

As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are Fatlington’s only FBI Detective. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.

Role Changing:

You may not change roles. If you combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of the group (not you) may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there). Creating such a combination is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours AFTER the voting has closed on the following day phase.
When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (60% if Made/Luca, 80% if Wise Guy, 100% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Special Note: You have one chance in 10 on each investigation to learn the exact role of the player investigated as well as the “normal” detective information above. This chance drops to 1 in 20 for identifying the Dons.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you cannot participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.

As you can see, my first investigation of Sasaki turned out criminal, and I figured him to be a Wise Guy. After he claimed townie, however, I investigated him again, just to be sure. That is when he claimed to be the Rogue Detective, and I believed him because his PM matched mine in style and he had already turned out criminal. However, when my latest investigation results came in and he turned out innocent, I knew for sure he was lying.

It's obvious Xiahou is scum. He has killed several times before. He should be our next lynch target.

Also: I've been considering revealing for a while now because I'm worried about being killed and my information being lost to the town. At least now (I hope) that my information is in good hands if I die.

Here are my next results:

Night Seven:


Alexander TPG = Guilty! He participated in killing Destroyer of Hope. On Night Three he helped kill Major Robert Dump. On Nights One & Two he was sleeping. No Role Info.

Orb = Innocent. No Role Info.

I'm currently investigating CountArach and Ituralde. I won't get the results until after the voting period is over.

[Redleg]

LOL.

Redleg - don't take the game too seriously - if you get worked up about people lying and double crossing you (not unusual), then perhaps mafia isn't for you.


That is not what upset me - lying and double crossing is to be expected in the game. The dead that reveal and reveal crap in a childish manner ruin the game. Excuse me for getting pissed about that - but it will work everytime on me. Childish behavior because you got lynched or killed is just that - something that should be smacked down every time it rears its ugly little stupid childish head. Get the point - don't ruin the game for others because you lost.





Anyways, I think it's funny that you claim you and only you are the decider of what is and is not in the FBI PM. We'll just have to take your word for it and whoever you choose as the FBI fellow that the PM you use is the 'real one'.

Probable because I have it - ever thought of that my fine frind. A little logic would tell you I wouldn't make such a claim if I could not back it up.




And of course you'll claim that it has the missing data, which you oh so cleverly hid, as though whenever an unaltered PM is posted an Angel sings through your speakers so you know it's true.

Crazed Rabbit

Of course I make the claim - because I have the PM, and thanks to my anger at Sasaki everyone now knows who sent it to me, and unlike the mafia players in this game I don't have to rely on lies and deciet to make my point. But then you were mafia, so I expect you to lie, but I don't expect you to behave in a childish manner after you lose either from murder or lynching.

Now the lies and deciet of the living players I can handle that part of the game because its to be expected - stupid stunts like the one Sasaki pulled - who is by the way a lynched player - goes to far. The dead have no business interacting on new information that is revealed after their death. Posting fake reveals when alive or after their death - okay no problem. Posting fake crap in a childish manner like Sasaki did, is not acceptable to me. If that is acceptable behavior for the game - then indeed the game is not for me, and I will withdraw and never play mafia again.

I detest that type of interference because it cheapens the effort of the players who are still alive and attempting to actually solve the puzzle. So excuse me if childish stupidity piss me off to the point of extreme anger, but it will every time - that is my nature to the core.

In the game if your alive - cheat, lie, steal, borrow, beg, convince, tell the truth, make up fake PM's and roles to save your rear-end.

If your dead contribute to lynching who you believe is responsible for getting you lynched or murdered. Make cryptic posts about suspects concerning little stories like the one that Major Dump posted after his death. But when you have been lynched or murdered - you should not conduct yourself in a manner to ruin the game for those still playing because your a child behaving like a spoiled little brat because you lost. That type of crap ruins the game.

This should probably go to the ethics thread - but you made a statement here so here is the response.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Tallies as of 2300 EST 2/2/7

Selections:

JimBob = 4 (Ironside, JimBob, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Redleg)

Kage = 4 (Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen)

ByzantineKnight = 1 (ByzantineKnight)

Luigi VI di Fatlington = 1 (Orb)

Redleg = 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

No Selection = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Ituralde, Papewaio, Reenk Roink)


Votes:

Pindar = 2 (Kagemusha, Luigi VI di Fatlington)

Redleg = 2 (Pindar, Tom_Hagen)

Tom_Hagen = 2 (Ironside, JimBob)

Abstain = 2 (ByzantineKnight, Orb)

Kagemusha = 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

No Vote = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Ituralde, Papewaio, Proletariat, Redleg [director], Reenk Roink)

[Redleg]

So as Cowhead confirmed, who Sasaki confirmed in his PM to me as the FBI Detective

Xiahou is a guilty - most likely mafia since he is involved in two murders
Alexander is also guilty in two murders - also most likely mafia.
Tom_Hagen is guilty as shown by Jimbob

Sasaki's childish attempts demonstrate that the reveal is true.

So vote for the scum sucking mafia to lynch them, vote me out of directorship and either protect Jimbob or Cowhead, either one is fine since they both need protected.

Then focus on the last remaining mafia to discover who they are.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Alright, I guess there's no point hiding in the shadows anymore. I'm the FBI Detective. I first revealed myself to Caius and Ichigo (who must have squeaked to Sasaki),

Ichigo didn't squeak. We'd been pm'ing and he suddenly said he knew I was guilty. I looked and there were 4 possible people online recently. I eventually narrowed it down to you.

I actually had doubts after pm'ing Redleg, I didn't think he'd confirm you so easily. But then I realized it couldn't be the other guy.

I've tried to add some twists to this game, I feel it makes it more fun. When the mod says "dead can't post" I don't post. When he says they can, I continue as normal. I think Seamus understood the pros and cons of allowing the dead to talk when he made up the rules.

[Csargo]

Alright, I guess there's no point hiding in the shadows anymore. I'm the FBI Detective. I first revealed myself to Caius and Ichigo (who must have squeaked to Sasaki), and then decided to contact Redleg. Here is my PM to Redleg:



Here are my next results:

Night Seven:



I'm currently investigating CountArach and Ituralde. I won't get the results until after the voting period is over.

I've been waiting for your reveal.

[Csargo]

Ichigo didn't squeak. We'd been pm'ing and he suddenly said he knew I was guilty. I looked and there were 4 possible people online recently. I eventually narrowed it down to you.

I actually had doubts after pm'ing Redleg, I didn't think he'd confirm you so easily. But then I realized it couldn't be the other guy.

I've tried to add some twists to this game, I feel it makes it more fun. When the mod says "dead can't post" I don't post. When he says they can, I continue as normal. I think Seamus understood the pros and cons of allowing the dead to talk when he made up the rules.

No, I didn't sell you out Cowhead. I still wonder how the hell you got all those PM's.

[Kagemusha]

I wont be much here tomorrow,Since im in my friends batchelor party.I hope the town can use its own brains or we are doomed.:bow:

[Cowhead418]

No, I didn't sell you out Cowhead. I still wonder how the hell you got all those PM's.My apologies then, Ichigo. The way Sasaki worded it made it sound like you had accidently said some major clue (which is actually what happened). I don't think you had bad intentions, and I'm sorry.

[Csargo]

My apologies then, Ichigo. The way Sasaki worded it made it sound like you had accidently said some major clue (which is actually what happened). I don't think you had bad intentions, and I'm sorry.

No harm done. I don't know how he figured it out, but he did. Who knows he what he will do next:dizzy2: Are you the doctor too Sasaki? I'm curious.

[Crazed Rabbit]

That is not what upset me - lying and double crossing is to be expected in the game. The dead that reveal and reveal crap in a childish manner ruin the game. Excuse me for getting pissed about that - but it will work everytime on me. Childish behavior because you got lynched or killed is just that - something that should be smacked down every time it rears its ugly little stupid childish head. Get the point - don't ruin the game for others because you lost.
...
If your dead contribute to lynching who you believe is responsible for getting you lynched or murdered. Make cryptic posts about suspects concerning little stories like the one that Major Dump posted after his death. But when you have been lynched or murdered - you should not conduct yourself in a manner to ruin the game for those still playing because your a child behaving like a spoiled little brat because you lost. That type of crap ruins the game.


Ironic, that.

CR

[The Stranger]

DAmmit!!! YOU ********* IDIOTS!!!!!!... I told you Sasaki was a wolf, Pevergreen a Don and MRD a made... I was right 3 times... you were wrong like a thousands...

Stupid Town... Enjoy your loss... you guys hanged a friggin detective... you ended the most pro-town partnership in Fatlington and lost the town it's victory...

I one sentence:

SPLENDID JOB, CHAPS!!!!

[HughTower]

Don Redleg, I think you need step back from the brink a little. It's a game, and every tactic of deception, double-cross & intrigue has its place. Hell, Sasaki's FBI reveal was a joke that had me chuckling - his 4th was it?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Characters are mortal enemies, within the game. This is a role-playing game. Outside of our roles, we are all players participating for the fun of it.

When it's all over, we get together, share some beers and reveal our thoughts: "Got you then and there, didn't I?". "Yes you did. But you fell for this or that taunt later". 'No, I didn't see that coming indeed. I thought it was him and...blahblah"

This is a game of deceit, breach of confidence, mistrust. It's not what Redleg and I are about. We are naturally inclined to trust, friendship and loyalty. So are most others here in real life. But we are noob players and get carried away because we have difficulty in distuingishing the two. We couldn't backstab anyone if we wanted to. It's why Redlegs' and mine partnership is so fruitfull.

We're naive first-timers. But we are aware of this and have tried to make this naive n00bidity work for us. We base our way of playing on trust and loyalty and then simply go after those who lie and deceit the most and assume they're mafia.

We've all got a natural sense of justice. Our alarm bells ring when something is rotten in real life as well as in the game. Experienced players have learned how to seperate the two. It makes them less succesfull mobster hunters than us, but more relaxed players.


I hope we all keep our calm, play this as a game, and laugh it off when it's all over.

[Louis VI the Fat]

elections:

JimBob = 4 (Ironside, JimBob, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Redleg)
Kage = 4 (Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen)
ByzantineKnight = 1 (ByzantineKnight)
Luigi VI di Fatlington = 1 (Orb)
Redleg = 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

No Selection = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Ituralde, Papewaio, Reenk Roink)


Votes:

Pindar = 2 (Kagemusha, Luigi VI di Fatlington)
Redleg = 2 (Pindar, Tom_Hagen)
Tom_Hagen = 2 (Ironside, JimBob)
Abstain = 2 (ByzantineKnight, Orb)
Kagemusha = 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

No Vote = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Ituralde, Papewaio, Proletariat, Redleg [director], Reenk Roink) Seeing as how the elections are going, I:

Unvote: Pindar
Vote: Tom_Hagen

Select: JimBob


I urge the townies not to abstain. Vote and save this town. Everything has been laid out in the open now. JimBob and Cowhead, our detectives have made themselves known. The names of the mafia members are out. My role has been revealed by Ironside, he revealed his. We're desperate. What more must we possibly do?


elections:

JimBob = 4 (Ironside, JimBob, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Redleg)

Kage = 4 (Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen)

ByzantineKnight = 1 (ByzantineKnight)

Luigi VI di Fatlington = 1 (Orb)

Redleg = 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

No Selection = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Ituralde, Papewaio, Reenk Roink)


Votes:

Pindar = 1 (Kagemusha)

Redleg = 2 (Pindar, Tom_Hagen)

Tom_Hagen = 3 (Luigi VI di Fatlington, Ironside, JimBob)

Abstain = 2 (ByzantineKnight, Orb)

Kagemusha = 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot)

No Vote = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Ituralde, Papewaio, Proletariat, Redleg [director], Reenk Roink)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Unvote; Vote: Tom_Hagen
Unselect; Select: JimBob

[Don Corleone]

Well, I can see the way this is going. I could try to launch a long and arduous defense of myself, but it's clear nobody is going to believe me.

All I have to say is in the immortal words of Shaggy "It wasn't me..."

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

No point in defending yourself. In my opinion you are either a towniee/wise guy influenced by/working for the mafia to stir up trouble or you are mafia.

[Don Corleone]

No point in defending yourself. In my opinion you are either a towniee/wise guy influenced by/working for the mafia to stir up trouble or you are mafia.

In your opinion. In Luigi's opinion, in Redleg's opinion. They got their fake detective JimBob to investegate me, and away I go.

Well, Luigi PM'd me right after I went public with the accusations against him and Redleg. He said if I didn't take back what I said, I'd stay #1 on their list.

After being attacked last night, and the victim of a lynch mob today, I guess he was right.

Guys, if you don't know, I don't mean think, if you don't KNOW that Luigi and Redleg are telling the truth, ask yourself: If I was mafia, why would I paint such a large bullseye on my back? Why would i go after Luigi and Redleg so aggressively?

I've shown the town where the mafia lie. If the town choses to ignorne it, maybe Sasaki is right. Maybe I was the last townie left, and I'm stuck between 2, maybe 3 warring mafia factions.

C'est la vie.

It wasn't me...

[Ituralde]

Vote: Alexander the Pretty Good
Select: JimBob

Nice twists here. As always in the endgame I'm down to my own beleive's as deceit is running wild. I placed my bet on the best-looking horse from my current observations and now I'm hoping as hell that it'll make it across the finish line first. :2thumbsup:

[Caius]

AndrestheCunning: Guilty!

-- On the night you investigated him, he participated in the murder of Caius Flaminius

You Andres, [edited insults]

[ByzantineKnight]

Unselect: ByzantineKnight
Select: JimBob

We don't need to lose a Detective

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Tom_Hagen

His real name is Don Corlone, lol

Actually because I think you are mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is a game of deceit, breach of confidence, mistrust. It's not what Redleg and I are about. We are naturally inclined to trust, friendship and loyalty. So are most others here in real life. But we are noob players and get carried away because we have difficulty in distuingishing the two. We couldn't backstab anyone if we wanted to. It's why Redlegs' and mine partnership is so fruitfull.

We're naive first-timers. But we are aware of this and have tried to make this naive n00bidity work for us. We base our way of playing on trust and loyalty and then simply go after those who lie and deceit the most and assume they're mafia.



Oh come on luigi. You know there aren't enough townies left to be any threat to you, why are you still trying to convince them? The other families know who you are, you aren't fooling them either. I suppose you just want the extra votes on your side.

I do find your "we don't know how to be deceitful" statements highly ironic though, lol

[Cowhead418]

Vote: Tom Hagen
Select: JimBob

Let's bring down the mafia!

Current Vote Tally:

elections:

JimBob = 8 (Ironside, JimBob, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Redleg, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Byzantine Knight, Omanes)

Kage = 4 (Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen)

Luigi VI di Fatlington = 1 (Orb)

No Selection = 5 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, doc_bean, Papewaio, Reenk Roink)


Votes:

Pindar = 1 (Kagemusha)

Redleg = 2 (Pindar, Tom_Hagen)

Tom_Hagen = 6 (Luigi VI di Fatlington, Ironside, JimBob, Cowhead418, Byzantine Knight, Omanes)

Alexander the Pretty Good = 1 (Ituralde)

Abstain = 1 (Orb)

No Vote = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, doc_bean, Papewaio, Proletariat, Redleg [director], Reenk Roink)

[Dutch_guy]

Well, Luigi PM'd me right after I went public with the accusations against him and Redleg. He said if I didn't take back what I said, I'd stay #1 on their list.


Well, I'd say making that PM public would help your case - a lot. As it would put Luigi in bad light, especially after the attempt on your life.

:balloon2:

[doc_bean]

vote: abstain

I have good reason to believe that Tom H is pro-town, I'd just like to point that out. I don't have the time right now to read through the new posts.

[Pindar]

Hmmm, been reading through the posts. Pretty damming.

Unvote: Redleg
Vote: Tom_Hagen


Current Vote Tally:

elections:

JimBob = 8 (Ironside, JimBob, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Redleg, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Byzantine Knight, Omanes)
Kage = 4 (Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen)
Luigi VI di Fatlington = 1 (Orb)
No Selection = 5 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, doc_bean, Papewaio, Reenk Roink)


Votes:
Pindar = 1 (Kagemusha)
Redleg = 1 (Tom_Hagen)
Tom_Hagen = 7 (Luigi VI di Fatlington, Ironside, JimBob, Cowhead418, Byzantine Knight, Omanes, Pindar)
Alexander the Pretty Good = 1 (Ituralde)
Abstain = 1 (Orb)

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Lynch: Redleg
Select: Luigi VI di Fatlington (I think Red's tricked him)


elections:

JimBob = 8 (Ironside, JimBob, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Redleg, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Byzantine Knight, Omanes)
Kage = 4 (Kagemusha, Pindar, Proletariat, Tom_Hagen)
Luigi VI di Fatlington = 2 (Orb, Alexander the Pretty Good)
No Selection = 4 (Big King Sanctaphrax, doc_bean, Papewaio, Reenk Roink)

Votes:
Pindar = 1 (Kagemusha)
Redleg = 2 (Tom_Hagen, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Tom_Hagen = 7 (Luigi VI di Fatlington, Ironside, JimBob, Cowhead418, Byzantine Knight, Omanes, Pindar)
Alexander the Pretty Good = 1 (Ituralde)
Abstain = 1 (Orb)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sweet! We've won, Redleg and Luigi!

Well the game isn't over, but our numbers are such to carry us onward towards inevitable victory, aren't they? What with the number we kill every night, we'll soon have a majority!

Haha to all you chumps who got played like so many violins! I bet soon you'll be puzzled and confused, wondering if you really could be tricked so thoroughly, heehee. Your maneuvering was truly brillant, Redleg, and revealing Reenk and Prole as the evil 'white gloves' let us throw the town on a wild goose chase and make them think everyone who opposed you was a mafioso!

Luigi, I loved your post making fun of the white gloves as all sissy and feminine like! Classic!

One for the history books, this.

I hope you'll erect a monument to the brave rabbit who helped you bring this town to the ground after this is all over.

:medievalcheers:
Crazed Rabbit

[CountArach]

Sweet! We've won, Redleg and Luigi!

Well the game isn't over, but our numbers are such to carry us onward towards inevitable victory, aren't they? What with the number we kill every night, we'll soon have a majority!

Haha to all you chumps who got played like so many violins! I bet soon you'll be puzzled and confused, wondering if you really could be tricked so thoroughly, heehee. Your maneuvering was truly brillant, Redleg, and revealing Reenk and Prole as the evil 'white gloves' let us throw the town on a wild goose chase and make them think everyone who opposed you was a mafioso!

Luigi, I loved your post making fun of the white gloves as all sissy and feminine like! Classic!

One for the history books, this.

I hope you'll erect a monument to the brave rabbit who helped you bring this town to the ground after this is all over.

:medievalcheers:
Crazed Rabbit

lol.. I love the idea that 3 people is enough to carry you through the game.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ha! You don't think I'd name they all, would you? Trying to get some info on them?

They know who they are, and that I'm congratulating them just as much as Redleg and Luigi.

Crazed Rabbit

[Kralizec]

http://dunamai.com/Humor/BagdadBob/images/bagdad_bob_large.gif

"Our opponents stand no chance! Already they are committing suicide in droves, out of fear for our countless mafiosi, of wich there are of course, many times many."

[CountArach]

Ha! You don't think I'd name they all, would you? Trying to get some info on them?

They know who they are, and that I'm congratulating them just as much as Redleg and Luigi.

Crazed Rabbit

Well if you are so confident, why not name them? Can't think of anyone else to lie about?

[Orb]

http://dunamai.com/Humor/BagdadBob/images/bagdad_bob_large.gif

"Our opponents stand no chance! Already they are committing suicide in droves, out of fear for our countless mafiosi, of wich there are of course, many times many."

ROFL

CR, that's a fairly cheap shot, I'm going to congratulate Red on his ability to organise hit squads first :beam: and also say that I'm glad someone competent took out Xiahou instead :balloon: