Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Moros]

Don't be so afraid to die. When you die you will be set free. :grin:

Why are you afraid to die?
you said he was. He didn't. Still trying to mess around? Oh well.

[Dutch_guy]

Wel Dutch, I think he's getting irritating. He has been doing it since the start. Anyway you can still just call me Gert! ~;)

Hey, that name change is still confusing me - argh ! :2thumbsup:

:balloon2:

[Moros]

lol. When the 60 day period is over I'm gonna change it to gert, I think.

[The Stranger]

Vote tally:
Sasaki - 3(Redleg,Warluster,ByzantineKnight)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 6 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good, kagemusha, Ituralde, Cowhead418)
Tom_Hagen - 4 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Gertgregoor, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot)
Abstain - 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Guys, although I may be stating the obvious here, remember if you kill a townee then the mafia's chance of winning is, sadly, increased. Please be careful and wait for more evidence before nabbing anybody.

[The Stranger]

Alright... at a last attempt to give you what you want...

What do you want me to tell/give to prove my innocense...

Don't come with, BEING LYNCHED...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

The Stranger's actions point toward his innocence. He is either:

A towniee
A wise guy (probably pro-townie from what he has said). This role is unlikely as he said: "I need to get in contact with my wise guy".
An unknown role that can kill and protect in townee groups. No Mafioso can do this other than a Don with no family left. There were no dons without a family when he first asked me to kill Andres with him (I refused).
A rouge detective. He refuses to reveal who is feeding him his information, he trusts no member of his group enough to tell them, or at least he said that when I asked him. Perhaps he is feeding it himself. Rouges have the power to kill and protect in groups like he has shown he is able too.

[Pindar]

Aren't there some forty 'relevant' people still in Fatlington? Why are the vote tallies so low?

Vote: The Stranger

Sasaki - 3(Redleg,Warluster,ByzantineKnight)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 7 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good, kagemusha, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Pindar)
Tom_Hagen - 4 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Gertgregoor, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot)
Abstain - 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

He is visibly innocent. Stop voting for him. Do you guys want the mafia to win or not?

Please change your votes to Sassaki, The Stranger is a townee! The mafia could win this game if townies are killed.

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sassaki

Follow my lead fellows, follow my lead.

Sasaki - 4 (Redleg,Warluster,ByzantineKnight, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 7 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good, kagemusha, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Pindar)
Tom_Hagen - 3 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Gertgregoor)
Abstain - 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Csargo]

He is visably innocent. Stop voting for him. Do you guys want the mafia to win or not?

Change your votes to Sassaki, The Stranger is innocent!

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sassaki

Follow me lead fellows, follow my lead!

heh

[Pindar]

He is visibly innocent. Stop voting for him. Do you guys want the mafia to win or not?

Change your votes to Sassaki, The Stranger is a townee! The mafia could win this game if townies are killed.

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sassaki

Follow my lead fellows, follow my lead.



Your name ends with the moniker 'the idiot'. You then ask people to follow your lead. :inquisitive:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Your name ends with the moniker 'the idiot'. You then ask people to follow your lead. :inquisitive:
I am a very un-idiotic idiot :idea:

[Csargo]

I am a very clever idiot :idea:

Your defence of the Stranger is suspicious to say the least.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Your defence of the Stranger is suspicious to say the least.
I do understand that Ichigo, but I am relying on reverse logic here. No sensible mafioso would show allegiance to their boss like I am doing in the thread, henceforth I and TS must be innocents. Confusing, but it, to a certain extent, makes sence.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Tom_Hagen

Reason: to be announced.

[Kommodus]

I really need to find more time to spend on this game... the white glove mafia are getting too strong... but just to get in a vote before the deadline:

Vote: Sasaki

Die, Wolf, die!

(That's German for "The, Wolf, the!")

If he turns out to be innocent, I'll know who else to vote for! :smash:

[Moros]

I really need to find more time to spend on this game... the white glove mafia are getting too strong... but just to get in a vote before the deadline:

Vote: Sasaki

Die, Wolf, die!

(That's German for "The, Wolf, the!")

If he turns out to be innocent, I'll know who else to vote for! :smash:
Simpson classic! Have you made any successes with your program or is the game to complicated?

[The Stranger]

Sasaki - 4 (Redleg,Warluster,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 7 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good, kagemusha, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Pindar)
Tom_Hagen - 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Gertgregoor, , Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, TS)
Abstain - 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Vote: Tom_Hagen

[Ituralde]

Since I can never get the hang of when days and nights end exactly, I hope this works out. Might as well give Sasaki something to do on his first day as director.

Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: Tom_Hagen

This should create a tie, I hope.

Sasaki - 4 (Redleg,Warluster,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus)
Redleg - 3 (Orb, Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit)
The Stranger - 6 (Pannonian, prole, Alexander the Pretty Good, kagemusha, Cowhead418, Pindar)
Tom_Hagen - 6 (Ituralde, Doc_Bean, HughTower, Gertgregoor, , Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, TS)
Abstain - 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Pindar]

Tom hagen is normally Don C. I think. If I'm right I know he has a Frau and a couple kids. It doesn't look like he's voted, so I don't think he is able to post too often. As things are going he may be rather shocked when he logs in again.

[Stig]

He is visibly innocent. Stop voting for him. Do you guys want the mafia to win or not?

Change your votes to Sassaki, The Stranger is a townee! The mafia could win this game if townies are killed.
If it would be up to me I would have already gotten rid of Omanes, and TS, because he posts like this

[The Stranger]

hmm... so over it is then...

You may have it as you wish...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

If it would be up to me I would have already gotten rid of Omanes, and TS, because he posts like this
Sorry. I just got a little carried away with my posting, my most sincere apologies Stig.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

As per last night's summary post, voting will conclude at 1600 EST today. That is a little over one hour from now.

My current tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 6 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 4 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Ironside]

Vote: Sasaki

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question, this might get your attention.


The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 6 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Moros]

sigh.
he Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 6 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Ironside]

So I can vote 2 times than Moros? :bounce:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sasaki

Horray, back to anti-mafia voting!

Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[CountArach]

Vote: Sasaki

Also, I'll correct the tally.

Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 7 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

[Csargo]

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sasaki

Horray, back to anti-mafia voting.

Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros, The Stranger)

Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, , Xdeathfire)

I'm leaning more towards The Stranger as a likely Don with everyone of your posts.

[Moros]

So I can vote 2 times than Moros? :bounce:
no you can't but apparantly you can vote and can't at the same time however.

[Pannonian]

I'm leaning more towards The Stranger as a likely Don with everyone of your posts.
The Stranger has a lotal cadre of supporters who are sure of his innocence, but who can't share evidence of his innocence with the public. Not only that, but he has indulged in an activity which can explain away guilty investigations, with these loyal supporters lying to protect him. And when it looked like he was the runaway leader in the vote to lynch, he and his supporters resort to emotional appeals - "I can't believe you're doing this", "I'm not going to play any more if I'm lynched".

There is nothing that will prove The Stranger and his gang guilty, mainly because they will always have evidence that proves them innocent. Evidence that we're not privy to, but which is enough for the core 3 and whoever else he lets in on his secrets.

[Pannonian]

TS, let me ask this straight. Who killed AndresTheCunning? Why did you kill him?

[Moros]

TS, let me ask this straight. Who killed AndresTheCunning? Why did you kill him?
how manny times do we have to show the pm where he asks me to join up and create a dutch mafia?

[Csargo]

The Stranger has a lotal cadre of supporters who are sure of his innocence, but who can't share evidence of his innocence with the public. Not only that, but he has indulged in an activity which can explain away guilty investigations, with these loyal supporters lying to protect him. And when it looked like he was the runaway leader in the vote to lynch, he and his supporters resort to emotional appeals - "I can't believe you're doing this", "I'm not going to play any more if I'm lynched".

There is nothing that will prove The Stranger and his gang guilty, mainly because they will always have evidence that proves them innocent. Evidence that we're not privy to, but which is enough for the core 3 and whoever else he lets in on his secrets.

Yes, well doesn't a Don that get's investigated show up as innocent? If he get's investigated and it shows up innocent then we'll know he's lieing. Whether he is truely whatever he says he is can't be found out until he is killed or lynced and his autopsy is performed.

[The Stranger]

unvote Tom_Hagen Vote: Sasaki

Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Csargo]

unvote Tom_Hagen Vote: Sasaki

Tally:

The Stranger = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Redleg = 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

My only hope is that three people vote you.

[Pannonian]

TS, are you up for that deal we talked about? I don't know if Sasaki if innocent or not - I certainly wouldn't want him alive in the endgame - but I do know what you have done is detrimental to the town. As Ituralde and Kagemusha have said, the idea is to win the game, not to survive. To clear the way for the detectives, you and the other vigilantes will have to die, there is no getting round the rules. If I prove this isn't some mafia plot against the townies, will you follow for the good of the town? Or will you cling on, rendering the most powerful pro-town roles in the game useless in pursuit of your own personal survival?

[Moros]

The Stranger has a lotal cadre of supporters who are sure of his innocence, but who can't share evidence of his innocence with the public. Not only that, but he has indulged in an activity which can explain away guilty investigations, with these loyal supporters lying to protect him. And when it looked like he was the runaway leader in the vote to lynch, he and his supporters resort to emotional appeals - "I can't believe you're doing this", "I'm not going to play any more if I'm lynched".

There is nothing that will prove The Stranger and his gang guilty, mainly because they will always have evidence that proves them innocent. Evidence that we're not privy to, but which is enough for the core 3 and whoever else he lets in on his secrets.
We don't have evidence he's pro-town. But I don't rememver to have seen eveidence of you being innocent or pro-town. And your behaviour ofcourse is far from suspicious, huh? Quite the contrary. You can't prove your innocence in this game. Even when investigated. Only two turns after someone died we now the truth.

Pannonian, tell me can you prove your innocence? No you can't. Nor can I. No-one can. And may I say just one more time that you yourselve act suspicious? Yes TS has his bizarre ways of doing stuff. That I must admit. But he did hand us out quite a few mafiosi didn't he? What did you, except for wild aacusation to TS, me and sasaki? Nothing have you done except for trying to make the most mafiosi searching ones look suspicious. More and more am I thinking you could be a mafioso. Your goal is being achieved instead of a town looking for clues on the last mafioso family. People are just quarreling about those who have done most of the work for town victory. I haven't seen clues anymore to mafiosi since you got started up attacking us. Strange, don't you think? It's to late this turn. But you will get my vote next turn. If anyone is suspicious now, it is you! What have you done for town nothing! the stranger? Look at the amount of dead mafiosi! That is what he's been doing. You don't even have a reason to suspect damn it. The only thing you have is that he behaves a little bit bizarre at times. Well if he wouldn't then I'd have ly suspicions. Sorry, Pan, but you're the one looking Mafioso to me.

[Orb]

Unvote, Vote: TS

The self-preservation votes really tick me off.

Tally:

The Stranger = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 5 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Moros]

corrected tally (verry big sigh.):

Tally:
The Stranger = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, orb)
Tom_Hagen = 4 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)
Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)


Edit: orb's vote.

[Ituralde]

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: The Stranger

[Moros]

this is going to be a loooong game...


Tally:
The Stranger = 7 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, orb, Ituralde)
Tom_Hagen = 3 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Moros)
Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)


Edit: Seamus: could you state a final warning and then do some major WoG'ing? I know it eases up mafia victory but it also eases up the town's work.Only about 21 votes from a 40+ player game. Is a bit low if you ask me.

[Orb]

I'll do Gert's work for him

Tally:
The Stranger = 8 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Orb, Ituralde)
Tom_Hagen = 3 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Moros)
Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Redleg = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Edit: Snap!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, if it's coming down to the choice between the misleading vigilante and the suspected, self proclaimed detected, I'm going to have to
unvote: Redleg
vote: The Stranger

EDIT: Redone Tally:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Ituralde)

Tom_Hagen = 3 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Crazed Rabbit

[Pannonian]

Yes, well doesn't a Don that get's investigated show up as innocent? If he get's investigated and it shows up innocent then we'll know he's lieing. Whether he is truely whatever he says he is can't be found out until he is killed or lynced and his autopsy is performed.
The thing is, a sensible Don will keep out of vigilante activities for this precise reason, while sending his Made and perhaps Luca on such a mission. Since the Don will always show up as innocent, no reason to mark him out like this. Instead, since the Mades and maybe even Luca will be doing the dirty work, it'll make sense to give them a guilty alibi. A vigilante action, if the town accepts it as a vigilante action and not a cover up operation for the mafia, will give the mafia underlings perfect cover for the rest of the game.

Whether or not Sasaki, Tom Hagen, etc. are mafia doesn't change the underlying reasoning that The Stranger and his fellow vigilantes have to go for the good of townie strategy. Otherwise we might as well have all the detectives revealed and killed off tonight for all the good they will do.

[Orb]

Tally corrected:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 4 (Doc_Bean, HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[doc_bean]

Unvote: don,
Vote: Sasaki

Tally:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 3( HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Moros]

first of all Crazed Rabbit's tally is worng. Pannonian, you haven't missed my post, now did you? What if killing us might get your detectives dead?

Edit: thanks doc_bean and orb.

[Pannonian]

We don't have evidence he's pro-town. But I don't rememver to have seen eveidence of you being innocent or pro-town. And your behaviour ofcourse is far from suspicious, huh? Quite the contrary. You can't prove your innocence in this game. Even when investigated. Only two turns after someone died we now the truth.

Pannonian, tell me can you prove your innocence? No you can't. Nor can I. No-one can. And may I say just one more time that you yourselve act suspicious? Yes TS has his bizarre ways of doing stuff. That I must admit. But he did hand us out quite a few mafiosi didn't he? What did you, except for wild aacusation to TS, me and sasaki? Nothing have you done except for trying to make the most mafiosi searching ones look suspicious. More and more am I thinking you could be a mafioso. Your goal is being achieved instead of a town looking for clues on the last mafioso family. People are just quarreling about those who have done most of the work for town victory. I haven't seen clues anymore to mafiosi since you got started up attacking us. Strange, don't you think? It's to late this turn. But you will get my vote next turn. If anyone is suspicious now, it is you! What have you done for town nothing! the stranger? Look at the amount of dead mafiosi! That is what he's been doing. You don't even have a reason to suspect damn it. The only thing you have is that he behaves a little bit bizarre at times. Well if he wouldn't then I'd have ly suspicions. Sorry, Pan, but you're the one looking Mafioso to me.
And what will you do if I show you incontrovertible evidence that I'm not mafia? Will you and your fellow vigilantes kill yourselves off for the good of the town?

[Orb]

Doc, TS has 9 votes, including mine. Don now only has 3.

[Csargo]

We don't have evidence he's pro-town. But I don't rememver to have seen eveidence of you being innocent or pro-town. And your behaviour ofcourse is far from suspicious, huh? Quite the contrary. You can't prove your innocence in this game. Even when investigated. Only two turns after someone died we now the truth.

Pannonian, tell me can you prove your innocence? No you can't. Nor can I. No-one can. And may I say just one more time that you yourselve act suspicious? Yes TS has his bizarre ways of doing stuff. That I must admit. But he did hand us out quite a few mafiosi didn't he? What did you, except for wild aacusation to TS, me and sasaki? Nothing have you done except for trying to make the most mafiosi searching ones look suspicious. More and more am I thinking you could be a mafioso. Your goal is being achieved instead of a town looking for clues on the last mafioso family. People are just quarreling about those who have done most of the work for town victory. I haven't seen clues anymore to mafiosi since you got started up attacking us. Strange, don't you think? It's to late this turn. But you will get my vote next turn. If anyone is suspicious now, it is you! What have you done for town nothing! the stranger? Look at the amount of dead mafiosi! That is what he's been doing. You don't even have a reason to suspect damn it. The only thing you have is that he behaves a little bit bizarre at times. Well if he wouldn't then I'd have ly suspicions. Sorry, Pan, but you're the one looking Mafioso to me.

Everything I've read through this round makes The Stranger the most suspicious to me. Him being defended by all of you makes it seems that if he dies you will lose someone important to your cause.

[doc_bean]

Doc, TS has 9 votes, including mine. Don now only has 3.

you posted while i was typing

[Orb]

The_Stranger, because of his suspect support, will be essentially unlynchable if Sasaki dies. We can't have someone who is unlynchable, it'll make a win near-impossible.


you posted while i was typing

The frequent updating to see if the lynch has happened yet leaves me no choice :D

[Moros]

And what will you do if I show you incontrovertible evidence that I'm not mafia? Will you and your fellow vigilantes kill yourselves off for the good of the town?
Why would I make it public? Did I do that with Sasaki? No! Well untill he revealed himself. (it would make any sense for denying it then). What makes you think I can't be thrust? Because I defend someone who lynched more mafiosi than you made helpfull posts? And because I defend a detective? Is defending a detective really such mafioso behaviour. And still where's the awser or respons to my post. It's funny how you always change subject and start talkign bad about one of us!

[Moros]

Everything I've read through this round makes The Stranger the most suspicious to me. Him being defended by all of you makes it seems that if he dies you will lose someone important to your cause.
Tell me what made him suspicious?

[Pannonian]

first of all Crazed Rabbit's tally is worng. Pannonian, you haven't missed my post, now did you? What if killing us might get your detectives dead?

If there's a detective in your number, then that means one detective dead. However, if you vigilantes remain alive, it means all detectives are unable to verify your guilt or innocence, and we can only take your word for it. Frankly, given TS' eratice behaviour in this game, I'd rather not accept his opinion without having seen the evidence with my own eyes. After all, it was precisely this kind of behaviour that made me suspicious of pevergreen, who turned out to be scum.

[Csargo]

Tell me what made him suspicious?

Well the fact that you all are defending him with a passion like you have something to lose by him dieing. So what role does The Stranger have? Or claim to have I should say?

[Orb]

It's past 16.00 hours Seamus time? Isn't it? ISN'T IT?

Some would say I'm getting obsessed with this game. I clearly know better...

[Pannonian]

Why would I make it public? Did I do that with Sasaki? No! Well untill he revealed himself. (it would make any sense for denying it then). What makes you think I can't be thrust? Because I defend someone who lynched more mafiosi than you made helpfull posts? And because I defend a detective? Is defending a detective really such mafioso behaviour. And still where's the awser or respons to my post. It's funny how you always change subject and start talkign bad about one of us!
I'll repeat myself once more. You are not suspicious because of whom you choose to protect. People can be duped - it doesn't mean they were in league with whoever duped them. You are suspicious because you took part in a vigilante killing that has made all detective work on you, The Stranger and whoever else was involved, useless for the rest of the game. The detective is the most powerful pro-town role in the game. You've neutered him. The only way of empowering him again is to remove the obstacles to his work, namely the vigilantes.

[Moros]

If there's a detective in your number, then that means one detective dead. However, if you vigilantes remain alive, it means all detectives are unable to verify your guilt or innocence, and we can only take your word for it. Frankly, given TS' eratice behaviour in this game, I'd rather not accept his opinion without having seen the evidence with my own eyes. After all, it was precisely this kind of behaviour that made me suspicious of pevergreen, who turned out to be scum.
And who was it who pointed the first at pevergeen? TS.

[Pannonian]

And who was it who pointed the first at pevergeen? TS.
I never knew action against one mafia family meant one was not affilated with other families. TS, you, Warluster, and whoever the other member was, obstruct the work of the detectives. Read the rules on the front page on how people who have carreid out night-killings will show up in investigations. They will always show up as guilty. Are you saying this is not useful cover for the mafia?

[Moros]

I'll repeat myself once more. You are not suspicious because of whom you choose to protect. People can be duped - it doesn't mean they were in league with whoever duped them. You are suspicious because you took part in a vigilante killing that has made all detective work on you, The Stranger and whoever else was involved, useless for the rest of the game. The detective is the most powerful pro-town role in the game. You've neutered him. The only way of empowering him again is to remove the obstacles to his work, namely the vigilantes.
And killing someone who was about to start a mafia family was bad? We could post it publically, but what would happen than? We would be accused just like we now were, but Andres could just hapily make his family.

And I don't think we even have to be investigated. we didn't act as mafioso, we protected town. We didn't leave a mark, which mafioso MUST DO. And we needed four persons: TOWNIE KILL!!! Indeed everything points that we are mafiosi. So what are you reasons? None! And we are suspicious? Killing a man for starting a family is suspicious. Trying to get people killed without reason isn't. Yes you do have a nce sense of logic.

[Moros]

I never knew action against one mafia family meant one was not affilated with other families. TS, you, Warluster, and whoever the other member was, obstruct the work of the detectives. Read the rules on the front page on how people who have carreid out night-killings will show up in investigations. They will always show up as guilty. Are you saying this is not useful cover for the mafia?
You mlake no sens my freind. You make no sense. Mafioso need to leave a mark when killing. DOn't kill by four,... Obviously a TOWNIE KILL. You really want me to start to attack your intelligence or something? Mr YOU are suspicious. To be honoust I find you the most suspicious. And if it's up to me you'll be the next to be lynched.

[Pannonian]

And killing someone who was about to start a mafia family was bad? We could post it publically, but what would happen than? We would be accused just like we now were, but Andres could just hapily make his family.

And I don't think we even have to be investigated. we didn't act as mafioso, we protected town. We didn't leave a mark, which mafioso MUST DO. And we needed four persons: TOWNIE KILL!!! Indeed everything points that we are mafiosi. So what are you reasons? None! And we are suspicious? Killing a man for starting a family is suspicious. Trying to get people killed without reason isn't. Yes you do have a nce sense of logic.
You are guilty, not for killing Andres (he'd have been lynched sooner or later), but for neutering the power of the detectives. Once again, it doesn't matter whom you killed, but what effect you have on detective investigations. You, TS, Warluster and the unnamed fourth member will always show up as guilty if investigated. What is a detective supposed to make of those results?

[Orb]

You mlake no sens my freind. You make no sense. Mafioso need to leave a mark when killing. DOn't kill by four,... Obviously a TOWNIE KILL. You really want me to start to attack your intelligence or something? Mr YOU are suspicious. To be honoust I find you the most suspicious. And if it's up to me you'll be the next to be lynched.

Imagine this:

4 attackers, as follows -

3 Townies, they are all no longer verifiable as innocent
1 Mafioso pretending to be townie, he is no longer verifiable as guilty, the kill isn't technically mafia, so they don't need to leave a mark.
Also, we don't know who this mafioso is of them, so we'd have to lynch all four to find out.

Who's in need of an intelligence attack?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh, stuff it. I'll play and vote

Vote: Sasaki.


Tally:

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)

Tom_Hagen = 3( HughTower, Ituralde, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 10 (Luigi VI di Fatlington, doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Csargo]

You are guilty, not for killing Andres (he'd have been lynched sooner or later), but for neutering the power of the detectives. Once again, it doesn't matter whom you killed, but what effect you have on detective investigations. You, TS, Warluster and the unnamed fourth member will always show up as guilty if investigated. What is a detective supposed to make of those results?

So why is the fourth person unnamed? I wonder:no: maybe because your lieing and if you name a random person they will call you a liar and then you'll be screwed.:thumbsdown:

[Moros]

You are guilty, not for killing Andres (he'd have been lynched sooner or later), but for neutering the power of the detectives. Once again, it doesn't matter whom you killed, but what effect you have on detective investigations. You, TS, Warluster and the unnamed fourth member will always show up as guilty if investigated. What is a detective supposed to make of those results?
We CAN'T be mafiosi as we did a towny kill! we can't even be wise guys. Can't you read. It is impossible for wiseguys and for mafiosi to preform such a kill. You know you are losing credibilty every time you post. Your posts are really stupid. You say something. I proved the opposite 3 times. You post the same thing again. Really that shows how good you're doing your "townie" role. Jeeezz someone is going to lynch this guy or what?

vote:pannonian.

if he ain't mafioso, or rather dull, I'm superwoman.

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)
Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Ituralde)
Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)
Pannonian = 1 (Moros)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

[Pannonian]

You mlake no sens my freind. You make no sense. Mafioso need to leave a mark when killing. DOn't kill by four,... Obviously a TOWNIE KILL. You really want me to start to attack your intelligence or something? Mr YOU are suspicious. To be honoust I find you the most suspicious. And if it's up to me you'll be the next to be lynched.
I would have thought you'd be more familiar with how mafia can manipulate the game, having been one himself.

1. One of your group takes no further part in your group activities. He still shows up as guilty, of course. But now he undertakes mafia killings on his own account, with a ready explanation if a detective catches him red-handed.
2. Your group does not share information with the public, but expect us to swallow whatever you say. You're not even willing to name the 4th member of your kill-group, despite the import it has for the town. Do you expect the town to continue in faith without access to information it can examine for itself?

[Moros]

Imagine this:

4 attackers, as follows -

3 Townies, they are all no longer verifiable as innocent
1 Mafioso pretending to be townie, he is no longer verifiable as guilty, the kill isn't technically mafia, so they don't need to leave a mark.
Also, we don't know who this mafioso is of them, so we'd have to lynch all four to find out.

Who's in need of an intelligence attack?
Err...One problem with your theory. if only one is mafia than why are we all defending each other and why are we called mafiosi. No, good sir. A mafiosi does his killings single. He doesn't participate.

[Orb]

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)
Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Ituralde)
Sasaki Kojiro = 10 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS, Luigi)
Pannonian = 1 (Moros)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

EDIT: I'm not calling you all mafiosi, just that one of you could be and a detective can longer know which is which. You wouldn't necessarily know who's the mafioso and the fourth member warluster named (Dutch_Guy) denied taking part in it. I'd be surprised if a Made wasn't allowed to take part in a regular kill group and be outright stunned if a pro-mafia wiseguy wasn't able to, seeing as Seamus only mentioned that they (mades) couldn't take part in protection groups. Thus the wiseguy/made now has perfect cover.

Well, it makes sense for the mafioso to protect his cover by protecting the others and the townies wouldn't know he's a mafioso, so they would protect him.

Sorry about the garbledness but there have been a lot of quick edits to this.


Also, Luigi, could you say why you voted Sasaki?

[Moros]

I would have thought you'd be more familiar with how mafia can manipulate the game, having been one himself.

1. One of your group takes no further part in your group activities. He still shows up as guilty, of course. But now he undertakes mafia killings on his own account, with a ready explanation if a detective catches him red-handed.
2. Your group does not share information with the public, but expect us to swallow whatever you say. You're not even willing to name the 4th member of your kill-group, despite the import it has for the town. Do you expect the town to continue in faith without access to information it can examine for itself?
Strange I tought we said alpmost everything. Btw the 4th member is omanes. He's with TS's group. I only communicate with TS. All 4 are still active.I haven't seen you showing lot's of info. If you ask me TS showed even to much info. This game is a game in which most goes behind the scenes. Did you perhaps want me to make vote by this?

TS is a townie, Sasaki is a rogue detective (don't tell the mafia), agonny duck has pro-town wise guy group protecting people,...

That you even dare to tyope such nonsens. I wouldn't even dare to in the TYOLT or the Drunk thread.

[Moros]

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb)
Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Ituralde)
Sasaki Kojiro = 10 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS, Luigi)
Pannonian = 1 (Moros)
Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

EDIT: I'm not calling you all mafiosi, just that one of you could be and a detective can longer know which is which.
Sasaki didn't paricipate in the killing, even if he would he would has shown as criminal. You'd know that if you bothered to read his role pm. Questioning it, but don't knowing it. :s

Edit: thank god I'm getting pm's showing that I'lm not only one who's finding you suspicious, pannonian.

[HughTower]

Aaargh - you're all killing each other, town against town. Penny to a pound, TS is a Townie. Likewise Sasaki is who he says he is - a rogue detective.

We came so close to doing the right thing, & lynching ourselves a lurker.

You're going to lose this vote, TS, & the only way out of it is to take Pannionan's offer, as distasteful as it seems. I can't choose to lynch Sasaki over you, because he seems to have a powerful role. Sorry.

[HughTower]

And killing someone who was about to start a mafia family was bad? We could post it publically, but what would happen than? We would be accused just like we now were, but Andres could just hapily make his family.

And I don't think we even have to be investigated. we didn't act as mafioso, we protected town. We didn't leave a mark, which mafioso MUST DO. And we needed four persons: TOWNIE KILL!!! Indeed everything points that we are mafiosi. So what are you reasons? None! And we are suspicious? Killing a man for starting a family is suspicious. Trying to get people killed without reason isn't. Yes you do have a nce sense of logic.

And who were the 4? Dutch Guy has denied involvement.

[Moros]

Aaargh - you're all killing each other, town against town. Penny to a pound, TS is a Townie. Likewise Sasaki is who he says he is - a rogue detective.

We came so close to doing the right thing, & lynching ourselves a lurker.

You're going to lose this vote, TS, & the only way out of it is to take Pannionan's offer, as distasteful as it seems. I can't choose to lynch Sasaki over you, because he seems to have a powerful role. Sorry.
I'm mostly defending townies. I'm not the one making chaos in the pro-town camp. But I forgot that this is typical pro-town behavior and not that of mafiosi.

[Pannonian]

Strange I tought we said alpmost everything. Btw the 4th member is omanes.

Which begs the question, why Warluster did name Dutch Guy?

[Moros]

Which begs the question, why Warluster did name Dutch Guy?
That I don't know. I'm defending TS, me and sasaki here. Warluster is in TS's group. The only thing I know is that TS trusts him. I'm not inclining that I think he's mafioso. But what you say does make sense. (was about time. ~;))

[Redleg]

Aaargh - you're all killing each other, town against town. Penny to a pound, TS is a Townie. Likewise Sasaki is who he says he is - a rogue detective.

We came so close to doing the right thing, & lynching ourselves a lurker.

You're going to lose this vote, TS, & the only way out of it is to take Pannionan's offer, as distasteful as it seems. I can't choose to lynch Sasaki over you, because he seems to have a powerful role. Sorry.

The problem is that Rogue does not necessarily mean Pro-town, even if his actions seem to be pro-town for now. One must ask themseves what rogue means.

Rogue as defined by Webster's

1 : VAGRANT, TRAMP
2 : a dishonest or worthless person : SCOUNDREL
3 : a mischievous person : SCAMP
4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave

[Orb]

someone unvote Sasaki, we can't afford to lose a revealed detective and his role PM is too convincing to be forged.

The votes for him are essentially baseless unless you consider the word of a don to be a solid foundation for a lynching.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think everyone is forgetting to take Ituralde's vote into account:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1406100&postcount=1792

Making this the count as of 1600 EST, when voting ended:

The Stranger = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb, Ituralde)

Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (doc_bean,ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

Even adding Luigi's vote will only make it a tie.

Crazed Rabbit

[Moros]

Which begs the question, why Warluster did name Dutch Guy?
That I don't know. I'm defending TS, me and sasaki here. Warluster is in TS's group. The only thing I know is that TS trusts him. I'm not inclining that I think he's mafioso. But what you say does make sense. (was about time. ~;))

I'm I the only one with problems loading the org?

Edit: another duplicate, tought the messages never got posted. Strange stuff.

[Redleg]

someone unvote Sasaki, we can't afford to lose a revealed detective and his role PM is too convincing to be forged.

The votes for him are essentially baseless unless you consider the word of a don to be a solid foundation for a lynching.

You do understand that a rogue does not necessarily imply that Sasaki is pro-town. In fact the term Rogue implies that Sasaki has his own victory conditions that might not be inline with the victory conditions of the town.

[Moros]

The problem is that Rogue does not necessarily mean Pro-town, even if his actions seem to be pro-town for now. One must ask themseves what rogue means.

Rogue as defined by Webster's

1 : VAGRANT, TRAMP
2 : a dishonest or worthless person : SCOUNDREL
3 : a mischievous person : SCAMP
4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave
the rolepm says that rogue means that he is pro town but that he isn't afraid to use "betsy" for justice... He can shift tough, but he starts out as pro-town. And I still have to see a reason to think he has swapped side.

[Orb]

You do understand that a rogue does not necessarily imply that Sasaki is pro-town. In fact the term Rogue implies that Sasaki has his own victory conditions that might not be inline with the victory conditions of the town.

I've seen quite a few TV examples of detectives who use their own sources for the 'right' ends but are essentially 'good', and seeing as the family names come from media sources (Godfather books/films), I don't consider this a stretch of the imagination.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Jesus, are you guys crazy? You almost lynched me. That's the worst rash of bandwagon votes I've ever seen. Apparently this passes for prime evidence nowadays:


You do understand that a rogue does not necessarily imply that Sasaki is pro-town. In fact the term Rogue implies that Sasaki has his own victory conditions that might not be inline with the victory conditions of the town.

Or you could just read my pm:



As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.


Ironside:


Sasaki only to confirm from what I understood is what happened between you and pevergreen, according to what you claim. You infiltrated thier mafia-group climing that you had a pro-mafia role. Possibly it did exist a special role that fitted what you guessed would be a pro-mafia role, but no matter that, all that matters is that pevergreen accepted your claims and let you in. From the inside it was an easy matter to destroy the group.
pevergreen obviously got angry about this and made a strong case against you as revenge.

Yeah that's basically it.

[Redleg]

Jesus, are you guys crazy? You almost lynched me. That's the worst rash of bandwagon votes I've ever seen. Apparently this passes for prime evidence nowadays:


or maybe you have edited your game role message to fool the town. Which is exactly one of the accusations you have accused another of.

I am still waiting on why you believe its okay for you to investigate other players through PM, but have a problem with others investigating your actions via the same route?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The rogue detective is always a good guy. Same Spade?

Because I'm investigating mafia and your investigating the detective. Obviously.

[Redleg]

The rogue detective is always a good guy. Same Spade?

Because I'm investigating mafia and your investigating the detective. Obviously.

Then you shouldn't be getting upset because you are a Rogue, which means every action of yours should be investigated and you should be held in suspect because of your actions. And no the Rogue is not always the good guy. Why else do police departments have an Internal Affairs Department? Care to name the movie where the Police Officers and Detectives assist the Mob? In fact there are several such movies. You ever watch the movie "the Untouchables?" The Chicago Mafia had many detectives and regular police on their payroll.

By definition a Rogue is not necessarily beneficial to the town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Then you shouldn't be getting upset because you are a Rogue, which means every action of yours should be investigated and you should be held in suspect because of your actions.

By definition a Rogue is not necessarily beneficial to the town.

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

btw, Kommodus is innocent.

[doc_bean]

Unvote: Sasaki
vote:abstain

EDIT: explanation; I'm confused...

The Stranger = 10 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Kagemusha, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Orb, Ituralde)

Tom_Hagen = 2( HughTower, Moros)

Sasaki Kojiro = 8 (ByzantineKnight, Kommodus, Redleg, Warluster, Ironside, Omanes Alexandrapolities the Idiot, CountArach, TS)

Abstain = 3 (JimBob, Xiahou, doc_bean)

[Redleg]

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.

Nice try there Sasaki attempting threats against those that vote against you. A sure fire sign of a guilty individual, and a rather obvious one at that.

If I vote against you - I must be mafia. That is sure funny. Now go and attempt to prove it. My message from Seamus states Townie. I investigated theRogue Detective because of his actions and the conflicts I saw in the statements, I have been on protection missions, none successful but what the hell lynch me and prove that all you have is the ability to threaten others. Which is exactly the course that will happen.

Hell I just might sucide myself so that my role as townie is revealed as a fact by Seamus. What do you say to that. Its no threat Sasaki I detest those who attempt such a stance as you just took more then I detest the use of moderator functions to spy on others.

Here is a question for the general audience, if I sucide myself and the report comes back as townie - will every one lynch this rogue detective because of his use of this weak ass attempt of a threat?

What a Bully you are Sasaki

[Louis VI the Fat]

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.No, some people defending their fourth mafia member aka Sasaki 'The Wolf' Kojiro are mafia.

* Eyes mobster Crazed Rabbit *

[doc_bean]

vote: Sasaki

again.

sasaki:9
TS:10

EDIT: now I'm just trying to keep things interesting

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting closed at 1600 Eastern as I was having my gnocci with shrimp and a bit of pan-seared broccoli. Had a nice glass of Aussie Chard to go with. Damn you blokes down under make good wine! Had a Spectator 87 and I got it for only $8.39 + tax!

Sorry Luigi, I truly appreciate your vote, but cannot count it. Summary shortly.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.


If I vote against you - I must be mafia. That is sure funny. Now go and attempt to prove it. My message from Seamus states Townie. I investigated the Rogue Detective because of his actions and the conflicts I saw in the statements, I have been on protection missions, none successful but what the hell lynch me and prove that all you have is the ability to threaten others. Which is exactly the course that will happen.

Reading comprehension FTW



Nice try there Sasaki attempting threats against those that vote against you. A sure fire sign of a guilty individual, and a rather obvious one at that.

:laugh4: that is sure funny.



By the way which one of us uses moderator abilities to spy on others?

Look Redleg, I can't read the thread without gaining an unfair advantage. You sent me the pm in mistake anyway, it would have happened. You are a senior member = you have a larger pm box = unfair advantage. Big whoop. I still don't see why you are so upset at my posting the pm logs in the thread. Viewing who's online has only been used to catch mafia in the past, and never by me I'll have you know.

[Stig]

hmmmm a draw

[Orb]

which is Sasaki's win, really, with him as director.

I invite people who think Sasaki's guilty to vote for me instead so at least we keep our detective.

[Redleg]

Reading comprehension FTW


Yep you do have some reading comprehension problem





:laugh4: that is sure funny.


Yep you being the bully is sure funny.


Look Redleg, I can't read the thread without gaining an unfair advantage. You sent me the pm in mistake anyway, it would have happened. You are a senior member = you have a larger pm box = unfair advantage. Big whoop. I still don't see why you are so upset at my posting the pm logs in the thread. Viewing who's online has only been used to catch mafia in the past, and never by me I'll have you know.

Your not that smart. Your clever but not as smart as you think. I don't need the moderator functions to figure out what games and actions people are taking.

You can take away the PM function on my screen and I will still read the thread and figure out that your not being honest with the way you play the game, nor are you being honest in the thread either there, and we both know it. What is funny is that you need that advantage - I don't.

Your guilty because your actions make you guilty - who else but someone that is actually guilty makes such a obvious threat as the one that you made. Well feel great that you have survived another round from the lynching vote.

But what the hell its only a game. Oh well two mistakes so far in this game. Trusting pevergreen in the beginning, and then you in the previous round. Oh well others will sooner or latter see the duplicity in your actions.

Have fun, Still waiting an answer for the townies. If I sucide myself and it comes back as townie, will they finally lynch your lieing rear end?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not cool man. You consistantly say I've said something I haven't (e.g. "more likely" != "must"--this game is based on "more likely") and now you're just being insulting.

I haven't learned anything by being a moderator that I couldn't learn as a member. That's the truth. I would have asked someone to check the IP's for The_Don. Anyway, you can hide with an anonymous IP service...like "tor" you know...

I think you've acted suspicious enough to warrant a lynch, suicide is just as good. Btw, time will also reveal whether TS was guilty, and Pannonian as well. By then your the town will have something to measure your judgement by.

If you feel I've been insulting I apologize. The game is for fun, and I think our discussion is getting a little too heavy.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Standing in the pouring rain
All alone in a world that’s changed
Running scared, now forced to hide
In a land where he once stood with pride
But he’ll find his way by the morning light
-- Louis Perez, 1984


Sunset Day Six


Few people sat down in the meeting room with anything approaching enthusiasm. The excitement only days earlier with the effectiveness of the lynching effort had paled. Too many people had died, too many people were still dying each night. Disputes about evaluation methods and evidence had reached a boiling point.

Sasaki Kojiro was very businesslike at this session – not upbeat, just matter-of-fact.

“We will tally the votes, and the person or persons achieving the highest vote totals will be injected with this variable action poison. It has an unusual effect, causing cumulative nerve damage resulting in brain death. However, the onset of death can be substantially delayed by absolute silence since the initial focus of the drug is on what the shrinks tell us is the part of the brain responsible for speech.”

The balloting concluded and the count began. There had been many changed votes, one or two who waited too long, some odd scribbles, even a few of what the future would come to call “hanging chads,” but in the end two names stood at the top of the list in a tie: Director Sasaki Kojiro and The Stranger.

The committee was chanting: Both…Both…Both…but they knew it was not to be so. Kojiro directed the guards toward The Stranger…and toward The Stranger alone.

The Stranger was taken forward by the guards and injected with the poison. He lasted 20 minutes.

The meeting broke up in silence as the members of the committee went home for the night. Sasaki gazed out at his peers but was not encouraged by the looks he received in return. It would be another long night.


OOC

Begin Night Six. PM’s please. PMs must be received no later than 1400 EST 1/29/7.


The Butcher’s Bill to Date:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5), The Stranger (D6)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4) [townie], Sir Boo (N4) [wise guy], Sir Moody (N4) [townie] AndrestheCunning (N4) [wise guy], Dutch_Guy (N5), Sigurd Fafnesbane (N5), Ultrawar (N5)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4), Peasant Phill (N5), theRTWGuru (N5)

WoGged: MarcusBrutus (D5), Hepcat (N5), Ignoramus (N5), Zalmoxis (N5)


Tallies:

Lynching Votes:

Sasaki Kojiro = 9 (ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Doc_Bean, Ironside, Kommodus, Omanes Alexandropalites the Idiot, Redleg, The Stranger, Warluster)

The Stranger = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Cowhead 418, Crazed Rabbit, Ituralde, Kagemusha, Orb, Pannonian, Pindar, Proletariat)

Tom_Hagen = 2 (HughTower, Moros)

Abstain = 2 (JimBob, Xiahou)

No Vote = 10 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, Masy, Papewaio, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Tom_Hagen, Xdeathfire)

[Kralizec]

Look Redleg, I can't read the thread without gaining an unfair advantage.

Actually, you can. You don't need to be logged in to view the Gameroom or its threads.

Glad to help ~:)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Actually, you can. You don't need to be logged in to view the Gameroom or its threads.

Glad to help ~:)

Lol, fair enough. I have to log in to post however ~;)


Anyway, that kind of thing has never been what the game's about. I get my info from the thread same as the rest of you. Knowing who's invisible etc doesn't tell you anything, trust me I've played on other sites. Being able to argue for your own innocence and for others guilt is a more important skill.

[HughTower]

Well, that was fun, wasn't it? Killing a townie, excellent work.

I'll look forward to more deaths tonight then as the blood-letting continues.

Sasaki - was that the result of an investigation from when?

See y'all in the am (GMT).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, that was fun, wasn't it? Killing a townie, excellent work.

I'll look forward to more deaths tonight then as the blood-letting continues.

Sasaki - was that the result of an investigation from when?

See y'all in the am (GMT).

It was Night 4's.

[Orb]

This thread has 13.63 percent of all gameroom posts.

Very nice

:balloon:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok some things to go over from the previous day.

Omanes:


Vote: Proletariat
Kill her now, she is the woman mentioned above. She is an assistant member of the white glove mafia! KILL HER! The thing that makes her suspicious is that she is the only female in the game!


Ok:
Unvote: Proletariat
Vote: Abstain

For now....


Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Sassaki


Unvote: Sassaki
Vote: Tom_Hagen


He is visibly innocent. Stop voting for him. Do you guys want the mafia to win or not?

Please change your votes to Sassaki, The Stranger is a townee! The mafia could win this game if townies are killed.

Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sassaki


Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Tom_Hagen

Reason: to be announced.


Unvote: Tom_Hagen
Vote: Sasaki

Horray, back to anti-mafia voting!


What? ~:confused: ~:confused: ~:confused:

Why all the vote hopping?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote Sasaki

Unvote Sasaki and Vote Stranger. I want to see a tie.We need to squish out all the information out of these "pro townies". In order to get the mafia.

Why do you want to see a tie?

Ituralde, same question?





Lynch: The Stranger


Vote: Sasaki


Vote: The Stranger


Vote: Sasaki


Vote: Sasaki



Why?





Unvote: don,
Vote: Sasaki
...
Unvote: Sasaki
vote:abstain
...
vote: Sasaki

again.

EDIT: now I'm just trying to keep things interesting

What's interesting?

[Pindar]

Vote The Stranger


Why

I voted for The Stranger because one, he may be one of the bad guys and his removal would then be a plus. Two, if he wasn't a bad guy then he has assisted them through his vigilantism that mucked up investigation results. Three, he seems strange. This was my thinking.

[Csargo]

I've just noticed this guy Xdeathfire. He has less posts the Zalmoxis, but hasn't been WoGed just something to think about.

[Redleg]

The mafia will try to lynch the detective, that's practically guaranteed, and all the votes I've received today is good evidence of that. Anyone who tries is therefore more likely to be mafia. Simple as that.

Oh look more accusations - what wrong Sasakiis your tangled web of deciet beginning to unravel. Go ahead post the investigation results that you claimed to others that you have conducted on me? Whats wrong they turned up innocent or unknown - so you have no real knowledge? Are you scared that posting the results will be your own undoing?

Go ahead and get me lynched - or better yet get your mafia counterparts to kill me during this night phase. When the autopsy results come back and I am shown to be a townie, where will your tangled web of deciet take you then?

Hell my death during the night phase will guarnette your lynching by the townfolks as soon as the autophsy results come back.

I find this effort here rather a weak attempt to cast suspects. The Stranger lynched, so the results will be back later. So the waiting game is now on.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hell my death during the night phase will guarnette your lynching by the townfolks as soon as the autophsy results come back.

By saying that you will most surely be dead during the night as people will try to frame Sasaki, guilty or not.

[Redleg]

By saying that you will most surely be dead during the night as people will try to frame Sasaki, guilty or not.

And why would I be concerned about that since I believe Sasaki is indeed playing both sides and is working for the unidentified family. His removal will provide a major weakness to both sides, but the Mafia loses their biggest protection from investigation, ie see the posted role PM that the stranger has placed in the thread, which pevergreen confirmed was his role PM. They will no longer have an inside man in the mob and the other detective not yet identified will have a better change of investigating and finding the other mafia. That leaves the FBI detective and the two other town detectives to investigate others.

A win win for the town as I see it.

Edit: The quote from the linked post.


You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1402117&postcount=1298

[Redleg]

Wait - a rant removed I will PM it instead

[Warluster]

oh, night phase, sorry. Well i am in two minds, I no longer think Sasaki guilty, but I dont think of him innocent either.

[Xiahou]

Vote:Tom_Hagen

I have no more leads m( I am still reading through the thread) but this is who i think suspicous
You might want to save that vote- pretty sure it's the night phase.

[Drisos]

GHC was mafia right?

and he sais;

"By saying that you will most surely be dead during the night as people will try to frame Sasaki, guilty or not."

basically a defence for sasaki..

I say we lynch sasaki right away. shoul've happened last round but I wasn't on a comp the entire day so I couldn't vote. :embarassed:

:egypt: :smash:

[The Stranger]

If I could stay on... I might have made it...

Too bad... Now the Mafia shall succeed... we had such a lead but noooo.... you guys had to lynch 2 townies in a row...

The era of Strange has ended,
The Stranger is no more...
His shadow has fallen upon Fatlington
And toghether with his Father
He shall make the living' life Hell
Shiver before us for Good and Evil
Shall Combine!!!

The wolves shall enjoy your flesh,
The wolves shall howl tonight
For their hunter has been killed
By a pack of hungry hyena's
No no one is left to fear or run for
Soon Fatlington will be no more

[Sasaki Kojiro]

GHC was mafia right?

and he sais;

"By saying that you will most surely be dead during the night as people will try to frame Sasaki, guilty or not."

basically a defence for sasaki..

I say we lynch sasaki right away. shoul've happened last round but I wasn't on a comp the entire day so I couldn't vote. :embarassed:

:egypt: :smash:

*cough cough* (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1299643&postcount=945)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

oh, night phase, sorry. Well i am in two minds, I no longer think Sasaki guilty, but I dont think of him innocent either.

I'm pretty sure this is impossible.

[CountArach]

oh, night phase, sorry. Well i am in two minds, I no longer think Sasaki guilty, but I dont think of him innocent either.

lol, a contradiction in terms :laugh3:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Why all the vote hopping?
Since he's dead I might as well say so: I was following The Stranger's orders. Tactical voting.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Might as well share some data with you all:

Dutch_guy was either a towniee, a wise guy or a group that can protect and kill in towniee groups.
I am a towniee.
The Stranger either was a rouge detective or he was a towniee.
Caius was a townee or a wise guy

If anybody want somebody extra to join them in a protection group or even a kill, since I no longer have any use at night, then please PM me.

[Stig]

GHC was mafia right?

and he sais;

"By saying that you will most surely be dead during the night as people will try to frame Sasaki, guilty or not."

basically a defence for sasaki..

I say we lynch sasaki right away. shoul've happened last round but I wasn't on a comp the entire day so I couldn't vote. :embarassed:

:egypt: :smash:
Ah Drisos ... 1 of those with little posts but not WoG'ed

[doc_bean]

Sasaki, you're usually the one who changes his vote about ten times a round, and suddenly you're complaining others do the same ? :huh2:

[HughTower]

GHC was mafia right?

and he sais;

"By saying that you will most surely be dead during the night as people will try to frame Sasaki, guilty or not."

basically a defence for sasaki..

I say we lynch sasaki right away. shoul've happened last round but I wasn't on a comp the entire day so I couldn't vote.

As said already:


Ah Drisos ... 1 of those with little posts but not WoG'ed

Oooooh, a lurker pops up from his/her idle to attack a pro-town detective.

He's on my lurker list.

I know who the PICK-A-LURKER BANDWAGON is going to kick-off with tomorrow.

How exciting!

[Ituralde]

Just a quick reply to why I created a tie. With the way votes were standing when I changed my vote from The Stranger to Tom_Hagen it should have created a tie between those two. I wrongly thought that the voting would be over at 1400 EST shortly after my vote change. Then Sasaki as director would have to decide between The Stranger, Tom_Hagen or both. I think that would have spiced the thing up a little. Maybe we could have learned something about Sasaki in retrospective once the roles of the lynched are revealed. Well I thought it was a nice idea at the time. Unfortunately it didn't quite pan out that way.


Oh and just a little side question: EST is GMT -5:00? Otherwise the whole thing above was just stupid. :beam:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, you're usually the one who changes his vote about ten times a round, and suddenly you're complaining others do the same ? :huh2:

Yeah, except I have reasons and start conversations. :balloon2:

Omanes' explanation is ok though.

[doc_bean]

Yeah, except I have reasons and start conversations. :balloon2:

Omanes' explanation is ok though.

I started voting for don in an attempt to draw out the lurkers, since he hasn't responded yet I assume he's just to busy wiht real life right now, and will probably end up WoGed.

I was pretty indifferent as to who should get lynched: you or The Stranger, I just switched my vote a couple of times in order to keep the vote tally balanced, and I also got a request to change my vote near the end, which I honoured :shrug:

Reason enough ?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah. I just want people to explain their votes. For example:

Why were you indifferent between me and the stranger?

[Andres]

Yeah. I just want people to explain their votes. For example:

Why were you indifferent between me and the stranger?

a voice can be heard from the cemetary: lynch Sasaki, his annoying questions are reason enough. Mwhahahahaha :devil:

~;)

[Motep]

a voice can be heard from the cemetary: lynch Sasaki, his annoying questions are reason enough. Mwhahahahaha :devil:

~;)

...a somewhat more annoying voice can be heard over his: kill em all...kill all of them....

[Caius]

Caius was a townee or a wise guy

I never was mafia.

[Caius]

a voice can be heard from the cemetary: lynch Sasaki, his annoying questions are reason enough. Mwhahahahaha :devil:

~;)
A third voice says:

Yes, kill him!Or you will suffer!

[HughTower]

Notice to the grave digger - please can you throw some earth over the dead. We appear to be able to hear them still, & it's in danger of turning into a Monty Python sketch.

[doc_bean]

Yeah. I just want people to explain their votes. For example:

Why were you indifferent between me and the stranger?

Of all the people in the game you seemed the most likely to be mafia/the wolf/whatever bad thing. So lynching you made the most sense in the traditional regard. However, The Stranger had built up quite a big circle of 'friends' around him and was behind a kill group. The 'friends' are dangerous because if The Stranger was mafia he'd be very hard to lynch later in the game, the 'kill group' thing meant he could become dangerous, perhaps even work his way up to mafia status, and besides, we should dissuade people from dispensing their own justice, like pannonian said (I think).

[Moros]

I think that when people have proof that someone is mafia but the proofs don't lend them to be shown publically (untill after the person's death,...) it isn't a bad thing to make a killing group. And you all saw we did have proof.

Anyway. Someone else got his suspcioins on someone except for sasaki?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Of all the people in the game you seemed the most likely to be mafia/the wolf/whatever bad thing. So lynching you made the most sense in the traditional regard.

And why did I seem most likely?

[Drisos]

Ah Drisos ... 1 of those with little posts but not WoG'ed

lol yes one of those. I did find a PM by Seamus in my inbox this morning though that I wasn't participating enough and I was about to be WoG'ed.. I wasn't on a comp for the entire sunday, and saturday the few time I had I spent on other things. quite busy these days..

Sasaki.. I doubt coughing will persuade me to vote for someone else.. and I've not been following the games active enough to understand what you meant by the linked post - in other words, explain yourself, I didn't understand one bit of it :furious3:

btw pevergreen is still alive right? hmmm

[Andres]

I think that when people have proof that someone is mafia but the proofs don't lend them to be shown publically (untill after the person's death,...) it isn't a bad thing to make a killing group. And you all saw we did have proof.

Anyway. Someone else got his suspcioins on someone except for sasaki?

What proof? A pm where I was trying to look for contacts and trustworthy allies at the very beginning of my participation on this game, when I was not yet decided to play pro-mafia or pro-town.


Gah! They call that "proof". If I wasn't murdered, this would be hilarious.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

lol yes one of those. I did find a PM by Seamus in my inbox this morning though that I wasn't participating enough and I was about to be WoG'ed.. I wasn't on a comp for the entire sunday, and saturday the few time I had I spent on other things. quite busy these days..

Sasaki.. I doubt coughing will persuade me to vote for someone else.. and I've not been following the games active enough to understand what you meant by the linked post - in other words, explain yourself, I didn't understand one bit of it :furious3:

btw pevergreen is still alive right? hmmm

That was a link to a post from TGFII where GH as a mafioso urged the town to lynch his own Godfather (Csar).

[Moros]

What proof? A pm where I was trying to look for contacts and trustworthy allies at the very beginning of my participation on this game, when I was not yet decided to play pro-mafia or pro-town.


Gah! They call that "proof". If I wasn't murdered, this would be hilarious.
No, you asked: Wanna make a dutch maffia? I want to. Know any mafiosi or wiseguys who can join. Cause I want to see everybody's faces when we dutch win. Etc etc etc. Now tell me that doesn't sound like someone doubting to be pro-town or mafia.

[The Stranger]

The town is up for a big one... OMG, casualties will rain tonight :D

stupid ******** you never should've lynched me :P...

Up for tomorrows lynch, SASAKI, REDLEG AND PANNONIAN...

[Stig]

It's always good if people want revenge ~D

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Back in connection with the Org. PM's completed. Will post summary soon. Busy, busy writing.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

It's always good if people want revenge ~DNot really, especially if it results in the death of true innocents rather than mafiosos.

[Moros]

:2thumbsup:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Night Six Summary


Kommodus was tired – exhausted even – after today's voting. He stumbled through his front door and went to the kitchen to pour a drink. Tonight would be a stiff glass of the absinthe he had brought back from France. The house was dark and clammy. The wind off the Atlantic was still rattling the shutters and the thick clouds of the fading Nor’easter still hid the moon and stars.

<< I hope this weather breaks,>> thought Kommodus, << the mildew will drive me bats if I can’t air this place out.>>

The howling winds and dim lighting aided those lying in wait for him. They had hidden in the long shadows, and took careful advantage of the noisy winds and Kommodus’ moment of relaxation over his drink. Kommodus was concentrating on relaxing - he put his mind to the soft cushion of his chair, the taste of the drink, the pleasant feeling of his long tensed muscles relaxing. He spilled his drink when he looked up and saw multiple shadows facing him. They did not look of this world. Perhaps it was his weary mind, but Kommodus pictured them as some sort of grim, dark statues come to life. Hats prevented what light there was from reaching their faces. When one spoke, it looked as though some faceless shade was addressing him.

"Your time is up. No longer will your evil harm this town. It is unfortunate you must go like this, but necessary."

Kommodus was not one to give up easily, and jumped to his feet to arm himself and counter-attack, but he was kicked back into his chair before he could get his balance. One of the figures raised a gun.

"So long."

Two quick shots through the center of mass kept Kommodus in his chair – and probably would have killed him in short order. The third and somewhat slower shot of the “Cooper Method” took him between the eyes and sped up the process. Another figure dropped a white glove and then the attackers faded away into the howling dark.


Across town, the howling winds masked the sharp report of the single gunshot Pannonian put through his right temple. His body would be found seated neatly in the shower with all of the resultant mess contained by the tiled walls. A neatly folded suit with all of the usual accessories had been laid on the bed with the typed label “For funeral/viewing.” The remainder of his possessions had been neatly packed in two steamer trunks with a notarized copy of his last will and testament on top. The only thing odd was a simple hand written note: “Honor is foremost and the needs of the community surpass those of the individual.”

Crazed Rabbit was sleeping the sleep of the sated and did not hear the intruders who stole in through the skylight of his tastefully appointed studio apartment. Neither did his companion. With the howling of the winds the soft snap of the first pane of glass as cut circle was removed from it just didn’t carry far enough to be heard.

The intruders stole softly across the oriental rugs Rabbit had laid on the parquet flooring – no nightingale would chirp to warn of their intrusion – and gathered around the bed. The companion – the intruders would comment later that they almost envied Rabbit as she had a pleasing combination of the best features of Rita Hayworth and that Jane Russell doll from Hope’s dentist flick – was quickly put under with chloroform.

The still sleeping Rabbit never woke. Silencers coughed repeatedly and the heavy caliber bullets were more than enough to kill him. The choice to attach the tin Texas Ranger star to his forehead using a staple gun was a little vicious, but Rabbit never felt it. When his companion finally awoke hours later and began the screaming that would shortly thereafter call the police to the scene, the intruders had long since faded into the wind-swept dark and made their own way home.


JimBob too was resting comfortably. He never heard the car pull up across the street from his one-floor bungalow by the beach. He never heard the bolt being pulled back on the Tommy gun. But he heard the shooting.

Before the gunman could even open fire, a hail of gunfire erupted from the bungalows neighboring JimBob’s. Glass shattering, tires bursting, the gunman gave up the attack as a lost cause and coaxed his crippled vehicle away from the scene. It would be found in the morning – serial numbers removed and free of prints – about a mile from JimBob’s home. JimBob still had a little trouble getting back to sleep.


Warluster was used to weird dreams – especially lately. He wasn’t sleeping too soundly either. He was worried about being attacked in his sleep and the noisy winds had startled him awake a half dozen times since he’d dozed off. This time, however, he’d been awakened by the shattering of his window by some form of small spear and a shout from below.

“Awaken Warluster! Face me if you dare!

Warluster looked out the window, carefully not getting too close. Below, in front of the building site for the new apartment across the street, was a figure dressed in a bright red anorak and wielding a long spear and a large round shield, its face concealed by an ancient helmet! <<I have got to be dreaming,>> thought Warluster.

“Your death is demanded,” shouted the figure! “Come forth!”

<<Okay,>> Warluster thought, <<if that’s the way he wants to play it.>> Warluster slipped on his robe and racked a round into the chamber of his Colt. <<Anyone dumb enough to bring a spear to a gunfight needs to update his tools a bit.>>

Warluster bounded down the stairs and flung open the door to his row home. He glanced carefully to make sure no one was lying in wait and then strode down his steps to the sidewalk. He held his gun steadily, planning on careful shots to avoid the helmet and shield. The figure spun his spear in an arc and struck the ground with the point – snapping a small string that Warluster never saw. The string was connected to a control lever in the crane on top of the 14-story construction project across the street. The crane, in turn, held a 1.4 ton (or so) weight -- curiously shaped like some kind of flat-sided measurement weight -- suspended roughly 110 feet above Warluster’s head. As Warluster let out half a breath and prepared to squeeze the trigger the weight smashed him to paste, cracking the sidewalk beneath him into the bargain. The scarlet-clad spearmen quickly disappeared.

On each of the wide sides of the weight, message plates had been welded. The first read:

Duty
Moros
Omanes

The opposite side was somewhat more poetic:

Cowardice and feeble dreams, folly makes bold
The Athenians, and all they'd dearly hold
They would have at once to a prophet sold

Your "hero" butchered. Obey me.

Other than noting the names of several prominent citizens, the police officers at the scene could make no sense of it.


It was an hour shy of dawn, not that down seemed likely to be any brighter today than it had for the past week. The library was not officially open yet, but the desk clerk was always early and knew HughTower by sight, so more mornings than not he could be found having a coffee and reading the papers in the deserted reading room. HughTower was enjoying a quiet book in the library when he heard a door slam open and footsteps approach.

"HughTower! I have come for you! This is the end of your criminal career!"

A sudden glance gave him a glimpse of a man dressed for the damp cold walking towards the news lounge he was in - with a gun in his hand. HughTower quickly dropped his paper and slipped quietly into the library stacks. He could see the man continue down the middle aisle toward the lounge area, scanning to each side.

With each step, he came closer, and sweat stood out on HughTower's face. His heart beat so loud he thought he would be discovered by it. The footsteps of the stranger continued, but had slowed – one step on the floor, a soft <click> and then another. The man was still scanning. Just as he passed by the other end of the stack of books that HughTower hid behind, HughTower dashed to the stack closest to the lobby door, which had already been passed by the figure.

HughTower made his way, as silently and quickly as he could, toward the circulation desk and the front door, glancing over his shoulder as he went. He passed the last of the massive lobby pillars and stood in front of the desk. He looked at the clerk and began to urge him to run, but the man standing there – no longer the kind soul who would let him in – spoke too soon.

"If it is your wish, you shall have no part in this."

He had a fierce, steady look in his eyes and stared at HughTower over the barrel of his gun. Hugh tensed to move but the stranger quickly squeezed the trigger. The first hit was not lethal - the gunman had aimed for and hit his kneecap. HughTower collapsed in agony, clutching for his destroyed knee. As he fell, the gunman shot his other kneecap. HughTower screamed in pain. The gunman hopped the desk, using the unconscious body of the desk clerk as a springboard, and walked over to Hugh. The shooter proceeded to kick him until his back was on the floor.

“Shhhhh…keep your voice down,” said the shooter, “This IS a library after all.”

Then the shooter shot him twice in the gut. The gunman looked down at the writhing, now-moaning figure.

Despite his pain, HughTower crawled, or rather tried to crawl, to the doors, but merely succeeded in flipping over. Groaning and cursing he began to drag himself slowly toward the door, leaving a swath of red on the gray marble of the lobby floor.

The second gunman, who had flushed HughTower out of the stacks, walked up to the feebly crawling HughTower, then pinned him in place with his foot.

“Don’t worry about it,” he said to HughTower. He then methodically shot HughTower in both shoulders and both elbows. Hugh screamed with each shot, and then lay there, barely breathing. “Don’t trouble yourself about anything.” He stripped off a white glove and dropped it on HughTower’s back.

Both watched as the blood flowed out of HughTower’s body; they watched as his feeble twitchings slowed, as his cries subsided, until finally he was still. The gunman began to walk quietly out.

“Bit of a mess on the lobby floor there,” said the ersatz desk clerk.

“True, but they shouldn’t have any trouble convincing the rest of the patrons to pay off their library fines,” said his partner.

They left quietly to head for the committee meeting.


Seamus Fermanagh faced the dwindling committee, his face as white as a sheet.

“Ahem…well now…it would appear that we didn’t do all that well lynching Lord Motep of Kendermore. Despite rumors to the contrary, we’ve been able to determine that he was no more than he claimed – an innocent townie.”

Seamus paused, his expression grim.

“This 5th day following TosaInu’s committee of vigilance was our most deadly yet. All told, 11 died that day: Banquo’s Ghost, Dutch_Guy, Hepcat, Ignoramus, MarcusBrutus, Lord Motep, Peasant Phill, Sigurd Fafnesbane, theRTWGuru, Ultrawar, and Zalmoxis. Our sources have been working overtime, and I regret to inform you that each and everyone of them was a Townie and not part of an mafia. There were rumors about a few of them – only a few – trying to be anything else, but even those we can’t confirm. One thing I can confirm is that Guru was one of my secret detectives. I think he passed on his information to a successor, but I can’t even confirm that.”

Seamus stared a bit before continuing.

“Between this night and the last, I am beginning to fear for the worst. You’ve got to lynch the bad guys today…you just have to!”

He left quickly, with the committee quickly breaking up. They would return that evening for the lynch decision.

OOC

The Butcher’s Bill so far:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3), JimBob (N6)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5) [townie], The Stranger (D6)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4) [townie], Sir Boo (N4) [wise guy], Sir Moody (N4) [townie] AndrestheCunning (N4) [wise guy], Dutch_Guy (N5) [townie], Sigurd Fafnesbane (N5) [townie], Ultrawar (N5) [townie], Crazed Rabbit (N6), HughTower (N6), Kommodus (N6) Warluster (N6)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4) [townie], Banquo's Ghost (N5) [townie], Peasant Phill (N5) [townie], theRTWGuru (N5) [townie], Pannonian (N6)

WoGged: MarcusBrutus (D5) [townie], Hepcat (N5) [townie], Ignoramus (N5) [townie], Zalmoxis (N5) [townie]


Day 7 Voting Commences – Lynch Vote and Selection of Director for Days 8 & 9. Deadline: 1400 EST 1/30/7.

[Stig]

HughTower (N6)
He has been killed as he wanted to vote out Lurkers ~D

And someone protected JimBob, even tho he seems to be lurking as well, only 13 posts

[Crazed Rabbit]

Curses! Murdered by some sleazy up and coming mafia!

I'll have my revenge, and clean this town of all murderous scum!

Crazed Rabbit

[Orb]

What the hell was up with that attack on Warluster?

No white gloves?

And how has the lone mafia family got no less than 4 attempts?!

4 attacks, 3 successes. Perhaps the one on Jimbob was just to scare us (with a single wiseguy)?

[Moros]

Is that a frame or a threat?

Tssk... MAfiosi these days. Whan did I frame someone bakc in the days. I even gave clues. pfft.

Edit: Jimbob was protected.
EDit2: is there a person who's name is duty?
EDit3; I don't get that murder whit my name in it. But I think it has the most clues. Someone made something out of it?

[Orb]

Is that a frame or a threat?

Tssk... MAfiosi these days. Whan did I frame someone bakc in the days. I even gave clues. pfft.

Edit: Jimbob was protected.
EDit2: is there a person who's name is duty?
EDit3; I don't get that murder whit my name in it. But I think it has the most clues. Someone made something out of it?

Not a clue.

@2 Dutch_guy has all the letters, albeit in a jumbled order, still, that's something for conspiracy theorists.

@1 Maybe they didn't have enough numbers.

[Moros]

Not a clue.

@2 Dutch_guy has all the letters, albeit in a jumbled order, still, that's something for conspiracy theorists.

@1 Maybe they didn't have enough numbers.
Nah, than the kill would have been posted or if it was it would have gone differently.

[Csargo]

I urge you to lynch Xdeathfire he has some kind of important role because Seamus hasn't WoGed him even though he has posted less than Zalmoxis has and he was WoGed. I think he is a good candidate for lynching for obvious reasons.

[Orb]

Start ye good olde LurkaLyncha bandwagon
Vote: Xdeathfire

[Caius]

Vote Sasaki ;)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Pannonian, that was noble but we needed all the townies that are still left. :shame:


Are there even enough townspeople left after this nights carnage to finally lynch some mafia? Vote: Sasaki

Or are we going to lynch some townie again like The Stranger?
Oh, and I wonder what Crazed Rabbit's obituary will read like.

[Kagemusha]

Another night passes by and there is no inflation on the mafia kills.I think its time to get rid of our "rogue detective" Sasaki,who doesnt help the town one bit. Vote Sasaki.

[Moros]

I think we should think well this time. One of the murders said something. All questions about that murder I will awser, now you can ask, please do. If it helps finding that guy that wants to frame me or threaten me to work for him.


Edit: pannonian was innocent. Damn it. Why couldn't he wait with killing himself? Why do you alwyas get info like this to late!? Sigh. I'm thinking of suiciding to, just that the mafiosi just can't get me. But oh well I guess I'll just will not give them a chance. I guess. sigh.

[Csargo]

It sad you can't see the obvious.

[Moros]

It sad you can't see the obvious.
Please elaborate.

:shame:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh, I nearly forgot to unselect a mafia diretor and select a townie for director this time.

Select: Redleg.

[Don Corleone]

Well, I think I'm tied with Sasaki for suspicious behavior (my own is probably even more so). I apologize to everyone for being a bump on a log. I haven't been able to keep up to the monumental number of posts coming in because 1) I had an extended family visit for my daughter's first birthday and 2) work has been a zoo.

I'm surprised I'm not lynched, WOG'd or murdered by now. What can I say... clean living....~D

Anyway, I don't have a good handle on what's happened so far. I assure you my silence is not due to any nefarious puproses, and it hasn't affected the game one whit, I assure you.

I promise to be a better citizen of Fatlington from here on out and will begin anew, trying to contribute more.

In the absence of any other hard data, in any game he himself is not moderating:

Vote: Sasaki (It's ALWAYS him!)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Pannonian, that was noble but we needed all the townies that are still left. :shame:


Are there even enough townspeople left after this nights carnage to finally lynch some mafia? Vote: Sasaki

Or are we going to lynch some townie again like The Stranger?
Oh, and I wonder what Crazed Rabbit's obituary will read like.

Oh, you seem to be rather pleased with my death, aren't you?

You accused me of being a mobster, and lo and behold, I'm whacked by a mafia during the night.

How convenient, isn't it? You get someone else's mob to do your dirty work.

I encourage everyone to vote for this French mobster!

Crazed Rabbit

[doc_bean]

vote: Sasaki

Select:doc_bean

I trust no other

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh, you seem to be rather pleased with my death, aren't you?

You accused me of being a mobster, and lo and behold, I'm whacked by a mafia during the night.

How convenient, isn't it? You get someone else's mob to do your dirty work.

I encourage everyone to vote for this French mobster!

Crazed RabbitI can't be the luca of Kralizec's and Beirut's mafia. I lynched them both. :beam:

I think you're suspicious, but I will need to await your obituary.

[Csargo]

Please elaborate.

:shame:


The Stranger 199
Sasaki Kojiro 188
Moros 156
Pannonian 105
Ichigo 93
pevergreen 92
Seamus Fermanagh 78
Redleg 67
HughTower 57
Caius Flaminius 55
Lord Motep of Kendermore 55
doc_bean 47
ByzantineKnight 47
Stig 47
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot 46
CountArach 46
AndresTheCunning 40
luigi VI di Fatlington 40
Orb 37
Crazed Rabbit 33
Kagemusha 32
Kralizec 28
Warluster 25
Big King Sanctaphrax 25
Major Robert Dump 23
Proletariat 21
Ituralde 19
Pindar 15
Dutch_guy 15
GeneralHankerchief 14
JimBob 13
AggonyDuck 12
Kommodus 11
Sigurd Fafnesbane 10
Ironside 10
Cowhead418 10
Masy 9
Banquo's Ghost 9
Sir Boo 8
Alexander the Pretty Good 8
Destroyer of Hope 8
Drisos 6
Tom_Hagen 6
Xiahou 6
Death Match 6
Beirut 6
Reenk Roink 5
Sir Moody 5
UltraWar 4
Zalmoxis 4
Xdeathfire 3
Papewaio 3
Ignoramus 3
Peasant Phill 2
Hepcat 2
Copperhaired Berserker! 1
Tribesman 1
marcusbrutus 1
MSB 1

He has 3 posts and isn't WoGed. Zalmoxis has 4 and is. I'll have to go back and see if I can find his posts, but it's going to be hard.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh, Rabbit's obit will come back as him either being a Made or a Luca. No need for suspense.

Either way, his Don(na) will now have less firepower.

[Moros]

Yes, that could be it. One last go at it: anyone makes soemthing out of that kill with the clues and reference to me and omanes?
I'm dieing toi know. ~;)

[Moros]

Oh, Rabbit's obit will come back as him either being a Made or a Luca. No need for suspense.

Either way, his Don(na) will now have less firepower.
are you saying the chances are big that it is proletariat? If so please feel free to elaborate.

[Stig]

You all can vote Sasaki now, but you can also be smart and vote Xdeathfire or another lurker who is still in

[Crazed Rabbit]

I can't be the luca of Kralizec's and Beirut's mafia. I lynched them both. :beam:

I think you're suspicious, but I will need to await your obituary.

And might they not have encouraged you to vote for them when the situation became hopeless? And there are three families to begin with, and, it seems, another group has popped up.

Perhaps you work for the white glove mafia and wanted to get one of the obstacles in your path to victory removed without doing it yourself? Funny how you don't even consider that possibility.

Crazed Rabbit

[Csargo]

Xiahou where you at?

[Orb]

Oh, Rabbit's obit will come back as him either being a Made or a Luca. No need for suspense.

Either way, his Don(na) will now have less firepower.

So why would the only real operational Mafia family kill their own associate. It might be one mafioso less, but we shouldn't take the death of non-white gloves to mean anything.

[Orb]

And might they not have encouraged you to vote for them when the situation became hopeless? And there are three families to begin with, and, it seems, another group has popped up.

Perhaps you work for the white glove mafia and wanted to get one of the obstacles in your path to victory removed without doing it yourself? Funny how you don't even consider that possibility.

Crazed Rabbit
Who's the other group?

Edit: Stupid Orb.

[Moros]

Who's the other group?

Edit: Stupid Orb.
2 wiseguy groups it seems. They didn't leave a mark. They could be wiseguys working for the whiteglove. If they get mades, town is dead. As that would mean 8 kills/turn. I think we kinda lost. Tough let us make it as hard as we can for them!

VOTE: Sasaki
Select: Moros. (meh! someone has to be it. After being attacked once and being threatened. I guess I'm wanted. And whatever that mafioso wants. He will not get it. Funny tough, he tought that or DG or TS was my boss? Strange. However sasaki, sorry but your just my best bet.

[Orb]

Select: Redleg

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

That's odd, somebody informed me that my death would occur that night - strange that it didn't.

[Moros]

Select: Redleg
innocent by the inforamtion I just recieved. Also I never really suspected him as he has done only protection groups. I think guys, sasaki is our best bet except for perhaps that lurker.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Perhaps you work for the white glove mafia and wanted to get one of the obstacles in your path to victory removed without doing it yourself? Funny how you don't even consider that possibility.I did consider that possibilty and already refuted it. here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1404672&postcount=1596), here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1404681&postcount=1598) and here. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1404684&postcount=1599) :smash:

I was rather pleased with it. Why don't you give it a read?







Come on, Wolf.

Who's going to be your patsy this time? I'm dying to find out. Will you claim that Pannonian is the don? Redleg? The Stranger? Me?
Will you go after some poor schmuck like Motep again?

Or are you to busy sending rushed PMs to your Barzini family now? Trying to find excuses you can send them for your monumental cock-up? :beam:

Yes! I was so hoping you'd choose me as your patsy. :beam:

Oh wait, did I say monumental cock-up? :smash:






Now, to go from statements of my innocence made yesterday to "sasaki is guilty" said today by luigi, would require substantial evidence...if he were town. There isn't substantial evidence, so it seems more likely he is mafia. If he really has been convinced by that then he is less perceptive than his other posts indicate.

If I'm town, Sasaki? IF i'm town?

What about your investigation results then? The ones you posted with your forged rogue detective role description?




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N2 Investigation Results

Luigi: Innocent


Don's turn up innocent, don't be tiresome luigi. You're smarter than that.


Yes Sasaki. I knew you'd claim I could be / probably am the don in your next post. In fact, this post of mine was written ages ago, that's why I can respond so quickly. :beam:

See, If I'm really the Don of the last family, and you had just revealed yourself as a rogue town detective, then I would have had the town lynch you, wouldn't I?

Remember I only stepped in in the last minute (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77078&page=75)? When you were this close to being hanged? The tally was Sasaki 5, TS 5, Motep 3. I could've posted some rubbish about you, voted you, and you'd been history. With nothing tracing to me. That I was silly enough to save you proves I'm not a don. I'm not that uncunning.

It's simple, if I was a don, I wouldn't have posted what I did. That is completely nonsensical.


Remember our PM conversation we had yesterday? :





After pevergreen turned up mafia I'm paranoid about moles in the network. My plan is to See who gets wrath of godded. If there are people who don't get WoG'd but hardly have any posts, it means they have been pming him. Would be prime candidates for mafia lurkers. Xiahou in particular I noticed, he had 2 posts in the thread before I said that about the lurkers and then he has 2 posts voting me :/

Innocent doesn't mean you aren't a godfather though. Meh. I'm cautious as a matter of principle.

Sasaki

- If I'm a don I would've had you lynched of course. Take that as both a compliment and as proof of my innocence.
You're underestimating either your reputation or my cunningness here.





Hang on, I'm not going to spill my evidence here yet. I'm just going to sit here, taunt you and wait for mistakes in your replies. This PM of yours made me suspicious of you. Want to know why?



BTW, how come your not lamenting that this town has lost another innocent townie like yourself? :clown:

[Dutch_guy]

Yes, that could be it. One last go at it: anyone makes soemthing out of that kill with the clues and reference to me and omanes?
I'm dieing toi know. ~;)

Hmm, at first I did clearly see my name in it, however, it clearly isn't. Don't know what the mafia is trying to tell us though.

:balloon2:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Luigi - That's no proof you haven't since been recruited by a mafia family, even if you started as an innocent townie.

You were innocent on the second night, according to Sasaki (who you claim is a liar).

The white glove mafia had killed one person per night in the first two nights.
On the third night, they killed one and attempted to kill another.
You could very well have joined them at any time after night two, say perhaps on night three, but any investigations done on night two would have said you were innocent.
Coincidence...?

Crazed Rabbit

[Kralizec]

edit: nevermind

[Reenk Roink]

Apparently, nobody is filling me in on the action, so I'm just going to have to: Vote: Reenk Roink and Select: Reenk Roink.

By the way, why did we stop the vote counter thingy?

[Kommodus]

Gah, it's all over for poor Kommodus. Just as well though, I suppose - I never had time to properly play this game, and I still don't.

FYI, I've been part of a protection squad for several turns. Last turn we tried to protect JimBob, but it obviously didn't work because I got killed. I'll keep the identities of my teammates a secret (for their protection of course).

Looks like the mafia may take this one after all; they've clearly been doing a lot of recruiting.

[Motep]

I told you I was freakin innocent!!! :brood:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I got BKS as innocent and Redleg as innocent. So I suppose odds are I was wrong about you Redleg

Now here's a funny thing:

Pevergreen: Pannonian is guilty
The_stranger: Pannonian is guilty
Redleg: Pannonian is guilty

Pannonian? Proven innocent.

Pevergreen: Sasaki is guilty
The_Stranger: Sasaki is guilty
Redleg: Sasaki is guilty

Sasaki? You see my point.


But what's most interesting is this "tin star" gang. The white glove is evidently the third mafia family. This new group must have formed from wise guys. The white glove group has two kills which means they must have wise guys. The only sensible thing to do is to eliminate all known wise guys. Now, Warluster got killed last night. Kage is a known wise guy, and I've heard CountArach is one as well, from a contact of mine. Confirm/deny CountArach? Have you been in any protection or kill groups? Kage has claimed to be doing nothing, I think it's likely he's part of the tin star group. There's 5 wise guys dead, out of 10-14 originally. Anyone have any leads on more wise guys?

In my opinion we should get Kage and CountArach to a tie and lynch them both. And any other known wise guys. Stig you were a wise guy, right? You come into contact with any?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, and let's avoid this whole "bandwagon sasaki because he's sasaki" nonsense. Offer a good reason with your vote.

[Stig]

Offer a good reason with your vote.
I'm Mafia and want a good innocent out?

[HughTower]

Sasaki is what he says he is. So was The Stranger. To vote Sasaki is to kill a detective - his role PM is clearly authentic.

Sasaki - who did you investigate tonight? Or did you kill? I presume you're waiting for two results from N5 as well. When do they arrive?

Now, surely can we pick a lurker to lynch? I start a bandwagon about, first Destroyer of Hope, then Tom_Hagen (a Mafia player of some experience I believe) who almost gets lynched, & then suggest Drisos as a candidate. I then am killed, (by the White Glove mafia, as opposed to the lone star lot).

Both T_H & Drisos then turn up on the thread, breezing away quite happily. This is a big game - lurking pays.

PICK-A-LURKER! PUSH THE WAGON! SPILL SOME LURKER BLOOD!

Pannionian was so desperate to prove his innocence that he suicided. He wants to win this game for the town, clearly.

T_H & Drisos don't really have the time to play, but are still here, chipping in. Amazing, their dedication to the game!

Sasaki states the case against lurkers in his PM to Luigi. It's a viable strategy, & worthy of a bandwagon. If anyone stands in its way (or suddenl presents new evidence), consider them anti-town.

PICK-A-LURKER! PUSH THE WAGON! SPILL SOME LURKER BLOOD!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To expand on my previous points:

Now this was part of pevergreens original claim that I was guilty:


hey man i dont know what your playing at but i'm through with you and your family. i've contacted pannonian and told him i'll be working for him from no on. don't know what your playing at.

He claimed that I was "the wolf" and was working for pannonian. Pannonian suicided to prove his innocence. This proves pevergreen a lier and a fabricator of pm's.

Now look at the people voting for me:

luigi: Either townie or the mafia don. Not much proof either way.
Tom_Hagen: lurked most of the game and shows up just in time to avoid WoG. Suspicious.
Kagemusha:Admitted wise guy. Probably mafia
Moros:Innocent for sure, don't know why he's on here.


Not one of them has made a plausible case for me forging the detective pm. Luigi had an attempt but it had major problems (the writing style is clearly seamus's).


Now, we have 5 dead wiseguys. For a new family to form that takes maybe 3. The extra white glove kills probably come from 2 more. OP says 10-14 wise guys, that means in the best case scenario ALL of the living wise guys are mafia. Kage and CountArach simply have to go. I'm inquiring to find more wise guys. Stig says he's pretty sure TS was a wise guy, TS can you confirm/deny? Even though I think you thought you were working for town victory it would help with the numbers.

[Kagemusha]

Sasaki,Sasaki.Before you enter your lynching spree.Why dont you use your detective powers and check me out? Ofcourse it would be great strategy for Mafia collaborator like you to make the town lynch all the wiseguys just to be sure,so meanwhile you and your white glow buddies could walk away with an easy mafia victory, wolf. I would have thought if you are a detective you wouldnt call for lynchings of not confirmed mafiosos rather then investigate people and call for lynching of real mafiosi.:inquisitive:

[Redleg]

Now look at the people voting for me:

luigi: Either townie or the mafia don. Not much proof either way.
Tom_Hagen: lurked most of the game and shows up just in time to avoid WoG. Suspicious.
Kagemusha:Admitted wise guy. Probably mafia
Moros:Innocent for sure, don't know why he's on here.


Not one of them has made a plausible case for me forging the detective pm. Luigi had an attempt but it had major problems (the writing style is clearly seamus's).


Now, we have 5 dead wiseguys. For a new family to form that takes maybe 3. The extra white glove kills probably come from 2 more. OP says 10-14 wise guys, that means in the best case scenario ALL of the living wise guys are mafia. Kage and CountArach simply have to go. I'm inquiring to find more wise guys. Stig says he's pretty sure TS was a wise guy, TS can you confirm/deny? Even though I think you thought you were working for town victory it would help with the numbers.

How sure are you of the guilt or innocence of any on your list. As shown alreadly by my results coming back innocent - unless you have investigated that individual you can not be sure of their status.

I know what Kagemusha has been doing - he has been working with me on protection missions for two of the last three night phases. Instead of attempting to lynch him why not investigate him to find out if he comes back guilty.

Tom Hagen explained why he was away in the thread - again instead of just lynching them - another possible townie just like Motep. The number of townie deaths means unless we have a good suspecion on why to lynch them - just taking them out, especially active players seems a little foolish to me.

[HughTower]

Surely, lurkers are more important now. I beg you, they have to go.


Tom Hagen explained why he was away in the thread - again instead of just lynching them - another possible townie just like Motep. The number of townie deaths means unless we have a good suspecion on why to lynch them - just taking them out, especially active players seems a little foolish to me.

And you just believe it. Without question. You're right - you are the perfect patsy.


TOM HAGEN'S CdiT HISTORY

He is an experienced Mafia player, who must have known what a game this size would involve.
He was inactive, till he was almost lynched (& maybe WOG'd).
I started the bandwagon against him & I am killed that night.
He turns up & promptly votes against Sasaki, for no good reason.

He should be lynched

You - a vehement fan of lynching Sasaki - turn up to defend him.

Motep was one of the favourite targets of Pannionian. As was The Stranger - who is most likely innocent. Pannionian suicided himself to prove his innocence. He thinks Sasaki is guilty too. Sadly, for all concerned, Pannionian is persuasive & has worked, unwittingly, as a tool for the Mob.

EDIT: to answer Redleg's defense of T_H. EDIT

[Louis VI the Fat]

Nm.

[Redleg]

Surely, lurkers are more important now. I beg you, they have to go.

Why are you protecting them? They don't contribute. Tom_Hagen is very, deeply suspicious. Lynch him.

Because anyone Sasaki suggests needs to have a better explanations then lurker in my opinion.

and Kagemusha has not been a lurker given the list that was published by a dead player who offed himself. Which makes his actions questionable.

[Csargo]

Because anyone Sasaki suggests needs to have a better explanations then lurker in my opinion.

and Kagemusha has not been a lurker given the list that was published by a dead player who offed himself. Which makes his actions questionable.


LYNCH THE LURKER XDEATHFIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAH!!!!!!!!!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good. If Kage has been investigating then he is cleared. That leaves us with CountArach. Can anyone confirm him? I'm waiting on pm responses regarding other wise guys.

(are we finally getting back on track of real investigative work?)


As for investigations, they are slow. And I have to have an idea who to investigate. It's also silly to investigate those who can be shown to be pro town like Kage. Who did you guys protect?

[Kagemusha]

Good. If Kage has been investigating then he is cleared. That leaves us with CountArach. Can anyone confirm him? I'm waiting on pm responses regarding other wise guys.

(are we finally getting back on track of real investigative work?)


As for investigations, they are slow. And I have to have an idea who to investigate. It's also silly to investigate those who can be shown to be pro town like Kage. Who did you guys protect?

And just why should we tell you? In my opinion you are a mafia collaborator and not a true detective and you need to be lynched.

[Redleg]

Vote:Sasaki
Select: Abstain

I am still convinced your "the Wolf" from the arguement that was developed earlier in the thread.

Also I suspect anyone that calls for lynching a know pro-townie that has been mentioned several times by myself as pro-townie. An individual who attempted to get me lynched with a false accusation in his arguement of, if you vote for his lynch you are most likely mafia. So based upon his threat of saying others are more likely to be mafia because they voted for him, I will assume Sasaki is once again mafia because I am innocent. As determined by Sasaki himself. This is the direct reverse of your earlier arguement. it follows something like this.

Redleg: votes that you are mafia
Sasaki: If you vote for my lynch you are most likely mafia
Redleg: Is accused of being most likely mafia by Sasaki
Sasaki: Determines that Redleg is innocent
Redleg: determines that since he is innocent - Sasaki must be guilty.
Sasaki: Suggests vote for Kagemusha a known Wiseguy that was informed by Redleg to be working for the town.
Redleg: Mafia wants to lynch pro-townies, Kagemusha is a confirmed pro-townie wiseguy by Redleg, if you demand Kagemusha's lynching you are most likely mafia.

Conclusion above

Oh the tangle web we weave when we first set out to decieve.......

[Papewaio]

Vote: No One at this Time
Select for Director: Redleg

[Papewaio]

Vote: Unselect No Vote to Sasaki

[Csargo]

Vote: Unselect No Vote to Sasaki

Bandwagon alert!!!! Why Papewaio Why?

[Proletariat]

TOM HAGEN'S CdiT HISTORY

He is an experienced Mafia player, who must have known what a game this size would involve.
He was inactive, till he was almost lynched (& maybe WOG'd).
I started the bandwagon against him & I am killed that night.
He turns up & promptly votes against Sasaki, for no good reason.

He should be lynched


1 and 2 don't jive. Why would an experienced player lurk in this manner? If he's experienced than he'd know that was a stupid move.

[Louis VI the Fat]

1 and 2 don't jive. Why would an experienced player lurk in this manner? If he's experienced than he'd know that was a stupid move.1) jives indeed.

2) I think that near-lynching was the result of TS and buddies trying to save TS's arse. I didn't read any arguments from them, but I'm willing to listen if they've got some.

I do know that TH is 'Jillian's daddy', and that lill' Jill was born last year around this time during the orgs birth spree. :balloon2: :balloon2:

[Proletariat]

Actually, it was Jill's birthday recently, and I knew Don C had some other stuff going on that made me bother posting that. Just didn't wanna go into his life story in the game thread, yanno. Otherwise I'd be alot more suspicious of Don C not being WoG'd.

[Papewaio]

Bandwagon alert!!!! Why Papewaio Why?

Based on the list so far and that there is always an exception to every rule:

* I'm innocent.
* All moderators are mafia.
* I know I'm the exception to the rule.
* Therefore Sasaki must be a mafia.

Also if after his lynching he's innocent it means Redleg must be guilty and hence he should be next on the list. However until that point, I will do my best to keep him away from death by making him a director.

[Xiahou]

I've been thinking about the Redleg/Sasaki conflagration and have come to some conclusions. First, it must stop- it's sucking all of the oxygen out of our debates and stops us from looking seriously into and debating other townspeople. This seems to end up in both players dodging a lynch and a third person inexplicably ending up lynched instead.

The Stranger had been behaving in a terribly suspicious manner much of the game, so I don't view his lynch as a bad thing, but now it's time to focus on the 2 main antagonizers. Of the two, I trust Sasaki the least- he's made multiple role claims meaning that at least has been forged/faked. That alone should be enough under the lynch-all-liars clause, but I also think that he's been more interested in fending off attacks by making counter-claims than actually seeking the enemies of the town.

Vote:Sasaki

Assuming Sasaki is lynched, the town will then have a decision to make. Do we wait for Sasaki's true role to be revealed, or do we immediately lynch Redleg? Both carry risks and possible benefits- but we can decide that next round, for this round my decision is clear.

[ByzantineKnight]

^^ I agree about Sasaki, he is either a liar or pro-mafia (or both).

I would like to call on all pro-townies to select Redleg and lynch Sasaki for the good of the town.

We have a small chance to defeat 2 mafia before the rest of us townies run out... Lynch the Pro-mafia!

ByzantineKnight

EDIT: Forgot to vote, Vote:Sasaki Select:Redleg

[CountArach]

I got BKS as innocent and Redleg as innocent. So I suppose odds are I was wrong about you Redleg

Now here's a funny thing:

Pevergreen: Pannonian is guilty
The_stranger: Pannonian is guilty
Redleg: Pannonian is guilty

Pannonian? Proven innocent.

Pevergreen: Sasaki is guilty
The_Stranger: Sasaki is guilty
Redleg: Sasaki is guilty

Sasaki? You see my point.


But what's most interesting is this "tin star" gang. The white glove is evidently the third mafia family. This new group must have formed from wise guys. The white glove group has two kills which means they must have wise guys. The only sensible thing to do is to eliminate all known wise guys. Now, Warluster got killed last night. Kage is a known wise guy, and I've heard CountArach is one as well, from a contact of mine. Confirm/deny CountArach? Have you been in any protection or kill groups? Kage has claimed to be doing nothing, I think it's likely he's part of the tin star group. There's 5 wise guys dead, out of 10-14 originally. Anyone have any leads on more wise guys?

In my opinion we should get Kage and CountArach to a tie and lynch them both. And any other known wise guys. Stig you were a wise guy, right? You come into contact with any?

Alright, yes I am a Wise Guy, however I am an innocent one. I have been Sleeping every night. This is because no one has approached me with an offer of a protection group IIRC. Also I have some problems with my timezone (GMT +10), so I haven't got all of my PMs in to Seamus every night. I missed one or two.

One of the only people to give me an offer for a group was Motep, and as has already been said much earlier in the thread, I was sort of just going along with that and it didn't really get anywhere because he wanted to protect Pevergreen, meaning he did not need my assistance.

I am starting to believe that you are a Rouge Detective, and IIRC that is a pro-town role that makes you sound Criminal. If you truly are I would suggest that you, or any other detective investigates me. You will see my innocence.

Vote: Abstain
Select: Redleg

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Man, of course I lied about being townie. I was attempting to keep my detective role a secret. That in no way implies any forgery, I simply got the townie pm from Csar at the start of the game.

Several misuses of logic here.

1) A group of people is more likely to contain mafia. One of them is innocent. He is one of the reasons they aren't "certain to be mafia". This gives no indication of my alignment.

2)All moderators are guilty!?


Also, lynch CountArach. We can't afford to leave the wise guys around.

Once again, none of you are offering any evidence that I am not the detective. pevergreen has been proven to be a lier and a forger of private messages, and yet you still trust him?

Where's that bandwagon image...

[Cowhead418]

I agree with other's sentiments that Sasaki must be lynched. Redleg and Sasaki have been going at each other's throats for a while now, and this needs to end now. We're clearly running out of time here, and we need to lynch all available suspects. For this round, we should lynch Sasaki, and then we should lynch Xdeathfire (or some other lurker) next. By then we should have the autopsy results on Sasaki to see if he was telling the truth. If he was not lying, then we can perhaps lynch Redleg or someone else who vehemently attacked him. Vote: Sasaki

[Csargo]

Man, of course I lied about being townie. I was attempting to keep my detective role a secret. That in no way implies any forgery, I simply got the townie pm from Csar at the start of the game.

Several misuses of logic here.

1) A group of people is more likely to contain mafia. One of them is innocent. He is one of the reasons they aren't "certain to be mafia". This gives no indication of my alignment.

2)All moderators are guilty!?


Also, lynch CountArach. We can't afford to leave the wise guys around.

Once again, none of you are offering any evidence that I am not the detective. pevergreen has been proven to be a lier and a forger of private messages, and yet you still trust him?

Where's that bandwagon image...

Not even a thank you from you Sasaki. That's rude :no:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not even a thank you from you Sasaki. That's rude :no:

Thanks!

[Csargo]

Lynch Sasaki. He's guilty.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Vote: Abstain for now
Select: Abstain for now

Vote tally for Seamus:

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 7 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 1 (Moros)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

I don't know why the spoiler tags are acting up, sorry.

[Xiahou]

Select:Reenk
Why not? :shrug:

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 7 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 1 (Moros)
Reenk Roink = 2 (Reenk Roink, Xiahou)

[The Stranger]

just VOTE SASAKI AND GET OVER WITH IT...

Join me Sasaki :D Come to me and we'll continue our fued in hell... :laugh4:

[Warluster]

Aye, I was killed, I knew it would come, but who ever killed me couldn't even face me like someone brave! they had to cowardly kill me in crane, oh the sham,e that colt cost so much!

Anyway, I am starting to think of Sasaki innocent, has so far he has put forward a good case.

I also think some of the lurkers are mafia, and I agree with HughTower and Ichigo on this case, I think the mafia wanted me out of the way, because I was stirring upo trouble, or my plan got to them...

[Pindar]

Select:Reenk
Why not? :shrug:

I can go with that. The fellow has never been the Director and dispersement of power is often a good thing.

Vote: Sasaki
Select: Reenk Roink

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 8 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight, Pindar)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 1 (Moros)
Reenk Roink = 3 Reenk Roink, Xiahou, Pindar

[Pindar]

Aye, I was killed, I knew it would come, but who ever killed me couldn't even face me like someone brave! they had to cowardly kill me in crane, oh the sham,e that colt cost so much!

Anyway, I am starting to think of Sasaki innocent, has so far he has put forward a good case.

I also think some of the lurkers are mafia, and I agree with HughTower and Ichigo on this case, I think the mafia wanted me out of the way, because I was stirring upo trouble, or my plan got to them...

As I understand things there are two Mafia groups: the white glove guys and the tin star guys. In your death there wasn't a mention of either symbol was there? So, who did you in?

[Warluster]

Someone who wants me dead...
(Well thats obvious)

[The Stranger]

how about your townvictory NOW!!!!!!!!!!!11

...just kill Sasaki...

Stupid Town... 2 dons 2 mades and a luca... and still you couldnt use the advantage... now we have about 10 dead townies and around 10 living mafia...

You're like Hannibal, you know how to win a battle but not how to use your victory...

Oh well... you've offed the player that participated winning the battle

The mafia is awefully accurate... Sasaki is ratting on the TOWN!!! he's telling the mafia who are townies who are in a protection group and who's being protected...

NEW RULE, KILL SASAKI 1st TURN OF EVERY GAME!!!

Sasaki, no hard feelings, nuttin but respect :P :wink:

I'm honoured that you shall join me...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Vote: Sassaki
Select: Moros

Moros needs the protection more than most. Evidence points in the way of Sasaki now due to information leaked by Moros - he is certainly faking his "Rouge Detective" role.

[Pindar]

Someone who wants me dead...
(Well thats obvious)


No idea I take it. That's grim.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Change selection from Abstain to Reenk Roink. I'm suspicious of both Redleg and Sasaki, and am less sure about either being Director. So I'll vote Reenk to keep Red out of office...

Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 9 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight, Pindar, Omanes the Idiot)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Select Director:
Redleg = 4 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 2 (Moros, Omanes the Idiot)
Reenk Roink = 4 (Reenk Roink, Xiahou, Pindar, Alexander the Pretty Good)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

There is, somewhere out there one mafia family that is still going strong. One is fully dead, another has lost it's don and they have not attacked anybody with their AndresTheCunning note for nights. The white glove mafia, the one that is working at full capacity has at least two mades. The "don't trouble yourself about anything one", as I name him, and the "first gunman", again as I name him, from the last night phase. We need to find them out and lynch them quickly to prevent this game going to the dogs (or mafia). How, you may ask, that's another, impossible story.

[Stig]

I like the fact that suddenly the lurkers are beginning to post ... Mafia victory this one

[Ituralde]

Does anyone have a list where all the people left alive are on? Surely someone as something floating around or do I have to go look for myself?
If the current rate of killings continues, which is quite likely that should leave the town like what 4 to 5 more nights?

So I guess it's about time the townies start to go into action and do something about that Mafia scum amongst us. Seems like the lnych vote is all settled so I won't bother to do anything in that direction.

However I'm wondering where all the pro-Townie roles are at. Hopefully they have not been killed. There were 3 detectives including the FBI guy and two doctors surely. What have their investigations shown? Surely someone must have found a Mafia and with the number of protection groups running around any detective that reveals should be relatively safe. I'm really longing for clear information and we're definetly running out of time.

Furthermore we should not let ourselves be blinded by the Redleg, Sasaki heads-up going on here. It seems that Reldeg is currently in the lead, I would suggest lynching him the next round though. We have even less information about him than we have about Sasaki. Sure he was proven innocent by Sasaki, whom we shouldn't belevie according to Redleg, and he has participiated in protection groups. That leaves only one worrysome conclusion if he really isn't innocent: that he is a remaining Don.
I was suspicious of both Sasaki and Redleg from the beginning so when in doubt: Lynch both!

Vote: Abstain
Select: Redleg

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Just something you guys may want to see (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1408278&postcount=28)

Pannonian was guilty, either that or Don pevergreen is trying to frame him.

[Orb]

LurkerLynchLynchLurkerLurkerLurkerLurkerLynchLynchLynchLynchLynch

If anyone can disprove Sasaki's role PM for rogue detective, which seems so close to Seamus' writing style that it cannot possibly be fake (Heck, even TS agreed that his results are genuine), do so, and I'll vote for him.

Now, notice that last day Sasaki said that Kommodus was innocent. That night, Kommodus was killed.

SASAKI IS NOT MAFIA. HE IS A DETECTIVE. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO MURDER HIM.

LYNCH ME INSTEAD! OR BETTER STILL! LYNCH A LURKER!

or disprove his role pm, which several people tried badly to do at the time.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

ok I get it I get it FINE. Sasaki is just sooooo suspicious that it's not "safe" to leave him alive in any mafia game. In fact he's so inherently suspicious that we should just lynch him in the first round of every single round yeah that's the best strategy. I finally get to be detective, a role I've been wanting to have since since Mafia II, and I don't even get a chance to play in the endgame. Because it wouldn't be safe. We can't possibly use our judgement and use logical arguments or any of that overrated crap, let's just go by pure bandwagan, yeah, that's a winning strategy. Here's another winning strategy: If a proven mafia member says someone is guilty, let's just trust them. No need to think about it very hard, let's just go on trust here. And if later on, another mafia member speaks for his innocence? Well that must mean he's guilty since the mafia are by definition full of deceit. But the first mafia guy, he's still trustworthy. Oh yeah. Known criminals? Admitted wise guys? Lurkers? Who needs to lynch them, the detective is a much better choice, because the mafia say so. If two people get into an argument, let's not try and decide who's guilty, let's just lynch them both. Because it's impossible to decide between them and there's no way on earth they could both be innocent. Because no two innocents will ever argue with eachother in mafia. Right. Well done.

/rant off


Repost:


Your Role: Rogue Detective

As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. You’re not too worried about playing by the rules, however. In the style of Mike Hammer/Sam Spade, you are more than willing to dispense justice as needed with the help of “Betsy” (your Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP, hand loaded cartridges with dum-dums and armor piercing in a 2-1 ratio—and yes you always carry a full clip and one in the tube). On odd-numbered nights you may investigate up to 2 people. On even-numbered nights, you may attempt to kill anyone whom you have learned to be “guilty” or “criminal” in your investigations. If you give up this kill option, you may investigate 1 additional person on that even-numbered night phase.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 Independent Wise Guys or 1 Made/Family Wise Guy to attempt a killing. 3 successful killings and the permission of the family Don and you become a Made member of that family (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful hits, you will become a Wise Guy (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ losing your Rogue Detective status).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “ Kill so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “criminal” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the 2nd DAY phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Day #3). Your sources are great, and have access no cop could duplicate, but they move at their own pace.
When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (60% if Made/Luca, 80% if Wise Guy, 100% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Special Note: You have one chance in 10 on each investigation to learn the exact role of the player investigated as well as the “normal” detective information above. This chance drops to 1 in 20 for identifying the Dons.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. Your “shady” past will let you function as a Wise Guy at need. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie – and sometimes use your special function as well. Beware – participation in either of these approaches has the potential to alter your role as noted above.


I want to see each and every one of the people that are voting me post the following statement:

"I solemnly swear that I have good reason to believe that this pm is a fake"

Not because I think it will do any good but because I want to have a good laugh at all of you when my story is confirmed, and it's always nice to be able to point while laughing.

[Stig]

Sasaki is a detective, he pm'ed me the other day, and he could confirm the innocense of someone, who I knew of that he was innocent

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

There are more detectives out there, no detectives have appeared on the butchers bill yet. If this one dies then it will make little impression? The other ones, are probably more trustworthy and less dangerous - as Moros has pointed out to me. Sasaki is a fraud in this game.

[Stig]

with the amount of kills this night, I doubt it, you'd do better to save all certain townies and try to take out possible mafia's, instead of attacking townies that have been bad and allowing the mafia to kill another 5 next night

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Unvote: Sassaki
Vote: Abstain

Stig most certainly has a very good point, worth the end of my inquisition against Sasaki.

[HughTower]

Tom_Hagen lurks. And reappears. Papewaio has barely posted, is accused of lurking, now triples his/her post count. A bandwagon amongst them starts for Reenk as director. Also a lurker. The lurkers vote for Sasaki's lynching, who has not even threatened them, but is going on a wild goose chase after wiseguys. These people are dangerous.

Lurking is a viable tactic in this game, because the number of players, & because we are categorically lynching/pressurising those who post the most -TS, pevergreen, Motep, Pannionian, Sasaki, Redleg even. (I know pevergreen was a good call, but he played the game foolishly). Noise does not equal guilt, nor does silence, but silence is not constructive in any way, & therefore the lurkers should suffer.

Luigi seems a good candidate for director for his helpful analysis. Pick a lurker - Papewaio even, if you find T_H's family distraction's credible.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

General Note of Information:

Prior to being WogGed, each person in immediate danger has recieved a PM from me as to their impending demise -- usually titled "Impending Doom."

I have done this as a courtesy since a number of my players are in different time zones and quite a few are moderators who are always busy.

Some have reactivated, others suicided, some never responded at all and got the WoG.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

[QUOTE=Alexander the Pretty Good]Vote: Abstain for Now
Select: Abstain for Now

BOLD THESE DANG IT I HAD TO GO BACK 2 PAGES CHECKING!!!!

:wall: :wall: :wall:

[Proletariat]

Little lost here... Can we have an updated tally?

:dizzy2:

[Redleg]

Well to protect myself for now Unselect: Abstain; Select: Redleg

Well I went through the thread and came up with




Lynch:
Xdeathfire = 1 (Orb)
Sasaki = 10 (Kagemusha, Tom_Hagen, Moros, Redleg, Papewaio, Xiahou, ByzantineKnight, Pindar, Cowhead, doc bean)
Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)
Alexander = 1 (Omanes0

Select Director:
Redleg = 7 (luigi VI di Fatlington, Orb, ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Ituralde, Papewaio, Redleg)
doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)
Moros = 2 (Moros, Omanes the Idiot)
Reenk Roink = 4 (Reenk Roink, Xiahou, Pindar, Alexander the Pretty Good)

[Don Corleone]

Tom_Hagen lurks. And reappears. Papewaio has barely posted, is accused of lurking, now triples his/her post count. A bandwagon amongst them starts for Reenk as director. Also a lurker. The lurkers vote for Sasaki's lynching, who has not even threatened them, but is going on a wild goose chase after wiseguys. These people are dangerous.

Lurking is a viable tactic in this game, because the number of players, & because we are categorically lynching/pressurising those who post the most -TS, pevergreen, Motep, Pannionian, Sasaki, Redleg even. (I know pevergreen was a good call, but he played the game foolishly). Noise does not equal guilt, nor does silence, but silence is not constructive in any way, & therefore the lurkers should suffer.

Luigi seems a good candidate for director for his helpful analysis. Pick a lurker - Papewaio even, if you find T_H's family distraction's credible.

I haven't picked anyone for director. However, in light of the contributions he's made (and the fact that I think he's going to need it after going for Sasaki):

Select: Redleg.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Official Vote Tallies at this point 1015 EST 1/30/7:

Selections:

Redleg = 7 (ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Papewaio, Redleg, Tom_Hagen)

Reenk Roink = 5 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Orb, Pindar, Reenk Roink, Xiahou)

Moros = 2 (Moros, Omanes Alexandrapoites the Idiot)

Doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)


Lynch:

Sasaki = 9 (ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Moros, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Alexander the Pretty Good = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)



My count differs from Redleg's in that Kagemusha has not voted for Sasaki's lynching. Kage' has bolded Sasaki's name; he has called for him to be lynched; but no vote is recorded.

[Orb]

Lynch a lurker, not Sasaki!

Lynch me if you really want to lynch an innocent!

WE NEED A DETECTIVE!

Unvote, Vote: Alexander the Pretty Good
Unselect, Select: Reenk

Lynch:

Sasaki = 9 (ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Moros, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Alexander the Pretty Good = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Selections:

Redleg = 7 (ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Papewaio, Redleg, Tom_Hagen)

Reenk Roink = 5 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Pindar, Reenk Roink, Xiahou, Orb)

Moros = 2 (Moros, Omanes Alexandrapoites the Idiot)

Doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)

[The Stranger]

DONT FRIGGIN BELIEVE HIM, He's NOOOO DETECTIVE... I also have that PM... and I didnt copy it from Sasaki... **** got it from somewhere and gave it to us for cover

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Sorry Seamus. :sweatdrop:

[Don Corleone]

Wow!!! 2000 posts and we're just getting warmed up :2thumbsup: This is one for the record books!