Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Dutch_guy]

I wonder how the Sasaki voters are going to react to the PM, they should at least give it the attention it deserves.

:balloon2:

[Don Corleone]

Do you mean the PM that Sasaki has posted to substantiate his claim as a detective? Isn't Sasaki the one who invented that trick, posting a doctored PM?

As for how he got it to come out accurate, let me ask you this... If it occurred to somebody like myself to exchange PM's in the early days of this game, don't you think it occurred to him?

Redleg on the other hand seems to be pretty direct and open. What's more, while he may develop guile with more games, he'd have to be the greatest natural of all time to pull this off in his first game.

[doc_bean]

I wonder how the Sasaki voters are going to react to the PM, they should at least give it the attention it deserves.

:balloon2:

what PM ?

[The Stranger]

Sasaki is a wolf... LYNCH HIM... I WANT HIM DEAD!!!!!!!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wow!!! 2000 posts and we're just getting warmed up :2thumbsup: This is one for the record books!

The ears and tail still go to Silver Rusher. His GF2 thread generated 1060 posts with 28 contestants [37.86 each!]. By that high participation standard, I still have a ways to go -- and there are a few who would argue that my thread has a higher percentage of Spam than Silver's.

By the way -- a read through that game for those of you who haven't would be useful -- one of our wilder ones.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

what PM ?

This one:


Your Role: Rogue Detective

As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. You’re not too worried about playing by the rules, however. In the style of Mike Hammer/Sam Spade, you are more than willing to dispense justice as needed with the help of “Betsy” (your Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP, hand loaded cartridges with dum-dums and armor piercing in a 2-1 ratio—and yes you always carry a full clip and one in the tube). On odd-numbered nights you may investigate up to 2 people. On even-numbered nights, you may attempt to kill anyone whom you have learned to be “guilty” or “criminal” in your investigations. If you give up this kill option, you may investigate 1 additional person on that even-numbered night phase.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 Independent Wise Guys or 1 Made/Family Wise Guy to attempt a killing. 3 successful killings and the permission of the family Don and you become a Made member of that family (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful hits, you will become a Wise Guy (losing your Rogue Detective status).

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ losing your Rogue Detective status).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “ Kill so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “criminal” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours at the beginning of the 2nd DAY phase following the investigation (e.g. investigate night #1, receive answers Day #3). Your sources are great, and have access no cop could duplicate, but they move at their own pace.
When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (60% if Made/Luca, 80% if Wise Guy, 100% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Special Note: You have one chance in 10 on each investigation to learn the exact role of the player investigated as well as the “normal” detective information above. This chance drops to 1 in 20 for identifying the Dons.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. Your “shady” past will let you function as a Wise Guy at need. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie – and sometimes use your special function as well. Beware – participation in either of these approaches has the potential to alter your role as noted above.

[Redleg]

I wonder how the Sasaki voters are going to react to the PM, they should at least give it the attention it deserves.

:balloon2:

Done and done. I am not convinced that Sasaki is working in the best interest of the town. To much effort in deception and misdirection in his posts, and his accusations.

For instance he was one of the first to want to lynch Motep and didnot Motep come back innocent also?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1392175&postcount=354

From Seamus post

"Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5) [townie], The Stranger (D6)
"

Isn't it the desire of the mafia to lynch townies' instead of their criminal associates?

[Pindar]

Unselect: Reenk
Select: Redleg

Lynch:

Sasaki = 9 (ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Moros, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Alexander the Pretty Good = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Selections:

Redleg = 8 (ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Papewaio, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Pindar)

Reenk Roink = 4 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Reenk Roink, Xiahou, Orb)

Moros = 2 (Moros, Omanes Alexandrapoites the Idiot)

Doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)

[The Stranger]

Sasaki is nooooo DETECTIVE!!!...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So, to be innocent you have to be right every time? I have a long history of lynching townies, regardless of alignment.

[Redleg]

So, to be innocent you have to be right every time? I have a long history of lynching townies, regardless of alignment.

Not at all - I have been wrong a couple of times myself about whom to lynch. One being not to lynch you two phases ago, you know the one where we lynched Motep instead.

[The Stranger]

pfff... Cmon Sasaki, you can do better than that... you were behind the assault of moros and the killing of Agonny...

Nobody believed me when i said Kral and Pever were Don... Sasaki is not what he says he is....

Come to me Sasaki, come to the Beirut family...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Come to me Sasaki, come to the Beirut family...

So you are in the beirut family? i.e. tataglia? :bounce:

Nice of you to confess.

[The Stranger]

Oh... yeah... you've don a great job... catching a luca... how did you know

[Crazed Rabbit]

Not at all - I have been wrong a couple of times myself about whom to lynch. One being not to lynch you two phases ago, you know the one where we lynched Motep instead.

When I was detective in Mafia III, I pushed hard for Banquo's Ghost to be lynched, though I was almost certain he was innocent. Why? Because if it wasn't him, it would have been me, and that would have been a greater loss to the town.

Anyways, why are we forgetting the lurkiest lurker of them all - xdeathfire? Is there a reason not to vote him?


So you are in the beirut family? i.e. tataglia?

Nice of you to confess.
I think their grave plots are just close together. Not me- my unfortunate body is going to be shipped somewhere green and wild, none of this stuffy New Jersey for eternal peace.

Crazed Rabbit

[The Stranger]

why lynch him... he'll get WoG'd in a bit... might as well have 2 in one

[Dutch_guy]

Do you mean the PM that Sasaki has posted to substantiate his claim as a detective? Isn't Sasaki the one who invented that trick, posting a doctored PM?

As for how he got it to come out accurate, let me ask you this... If it occurred to somebody like myself to exchange PM's in the early days of this game, don't you think it occurred to him?

Redleg on the other hand seems to be pretty direct and open. What's more, while he may develop guile with more games, he'd have to be the greatest natural of all time to pull this off in his first game.


what PM ?

The PM in both post 1985 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1408399&postcount=1985) and post 2006 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1408710&postcount=2006).

Yes, Sasaki has manipulated the town before - I still remember that all to well - but it doesn't mean we should always treat him like that. I'm worried too many people dispel his posts as pure forgery. I mean, he may be pulling another one of his fake reveals, but he may not.

Redleg makes a good case, indeed he does, but then again the PM does too. Has Sasaki simply increased his forgery skills, it may be so. Or is this just the usual seemingly random Sasaki. Could be.

:balloon2:

[Csargo]

So you are in the beirut family? i.e. tataglia? :bounce:

Nice of you to confess.

Your no Rogue Detective.

Oh and Stig and Orb seemed to be convinced of your innocence I wonder why?

[The Stranger]

even Ichigo says so... and he'was your partner

[Crazed Rabbit]

why lynch him... he'll get WoG'd in a bit... might as well have 2 in one

Why wasn't he WoG'd before - people with more posts already have been.

CR

[Orb]

Your no Rogue Detective.

Oh and Stig and Orb seemed to be convinced of your innocence I wonder why?

Maybe the role pm?

Just maybe?

That noone has actually tried to disprove it and just shouted Sasaki and his few supporters down.

[Csargo]

Maybe the role pm?

Just maybe?

That noone has actually tried to disprove it and just shouted Sasaki and his few supporters down.

Or maybe just maybe your his flunky and you don't want him to die. That could be it right?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Or maybe just maybe your his flunky and you don't want him to die. That could be it right?

Just because he's supporting me doesn't mean he's my flunky. I don't have flunkies. He's just using good reasoning. Bad logic on your part Csar.

[Orb]

Or maybe just maybe your his flunky and you don't want him to die. That could be it right?

This is part of the following logic

Premise: Sasaki is automatically guilty, we don't really have a reason to believe it, but he must be, because he's Sasaki

Therefore: Someone who supports Sasaki is probably also guilty.

Therefore: BANDWAGON YAY!

[The Stranger]

:laugh4: what's a flunky... Seriously... Sasaki is going to die :pinkhippo:

[Csargo]

Just because he's supporting me doesn't mean he's my flunky. I don't have flunkies. He's just using good reasoning. Bad logic on your part Csar.

Well like I said in our PM exchange last night We will see after you are lynched and the autopsy. But you are no Rogue Detective.

[Orb]

Well like I said in our PM exchange last night We will see after you are lynched and the autopsy. But you are no Rogue Detective.

Csar, how do you know this?

[Csargo]

This is part of the following logic

Premise: Sasaki is automatically guilty, we don't really have a reason to believe it, but he must be, because he's Sasaki

Therefore: Someone who supports Sasaki is probably also guilty.

Therefore: BANDWAGON YAY!

No Sasaki's not always automatically guilty.

It's a possiblity and I could be wrong.

Bandwagon who you? Nah not worth it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Csar thinks I'm Don Barzini :laugh4:

[Csargo]

Csar, how do you know this?

Know what? Oh that he's not a Rogue Detective well it's obvious isn't it.

[The Stranger]

countdown to lynch 45 minutes :D god i love being dead

[Orb]

Gentlemen, this will be remembered as the day the Barzini family took over Fatlington.

The town has been defeated.

Edit: Meant in a metaphorical, not literal sense.

32 dead, I believe we had 57 to start with.

25 of us left.

There are 6 Mafia if I’m correct, so they are 1/4 of our own number, they need to get rid of 19

They have about 3/turn kill if I’m not wrong

Which means: We’ve got 4 days or so to lynch at least one Mafioso.

[Kralizec]

pfff... Cmon Sasaki, you can do better than that... you were behind the assault of moros and the killing of Agonny...

Nobody believed me when i said Kral and Pever were Don... Sasaki is not what he says he is....

Come to me Sasaki, come to the Beirut family...

Where did you say that I was a Don, before I was already executed?

[The Stranger]

nowhere... but I did say that bout MRD and Pevergreen...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting is concluded. Summary will follow shortly.

[Orb]

We've lost. Yay!

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Just because one detective dies it doesn't mean the FBI one and the other detective cannot help us win the day. Take an optimistic attitude and victory may come faster and easier.

[The Stranger]

I HOPE HE DIES RAUNCHY WITH LOTS OF BLOOD AND SCREAMING... I THINK HE CRIES.... Yihaaaaaa

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I doubt it TS - Seamus hasn't killed anybody off like that yet. If he's a Don, or the bad guy that some, including myself thinks he is, we may see a dramatical conclusion.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We, father and son, have chosen
To live in the world of blood shedding.

We’re not afraid to face any danger,
Known or unknown.

We live at the crossroads of Hell.

Kozure Okami (scored by Hideakura Sakurai)


Sunset, Day Seven

Sasaki Kojiro seemed just a bit distracted as he began the meeting for that evening. This would be their 6th lynching and the results of the 5th effort had left him upset.

The tallies for director were counted and double-checked. Though several candidates had secured votes, in the end Redleg was chosen as director for days 8 and 9 of this controlled exercise in self destruction. However reluctantly accepted, the lynching process had garnered few fans – rarely had more than half of the committee voted and only Chief Fermanagh seemed pleased with the results.

As he tallied the votes for the night’s lynchee, Kojiro could see that the grim resolve of many from the night before had not changed. His initial blaze of anger faded to a tone of defiance – he had had time to consider this possible fate – when he spoke.

“Despite all logic, despite all sense of self preservation, you have chosen to remove me from your ranks. Most of you will regret this, I swear.”

He paused, swallowed, and then resumed.

“Let’s do this with style shall we? I want a Brass Band playing at full volume! So let’s do it up appropriately. I will be crushed to death on the boulevard outside with the band on a flatbed wagon to do the deed. And the rest of you can join your dead mafia pals in Hell when it’s your turn.”

And so it was that about 45 minutes later Sasaki Kojiro was crushed under the huge wheels of an old-style beer wagon pushed by a diesel truck – driven by Redleg. A largish brass band had been hired, “Aristotle’s Rejects,” to play upbeat music for the occasion, with Luigi VI sitting in on tuba. Perched atop the heavy wagon the band played a couple of Glenn Miller covers – “Adios” and “Farewell Blues” chosen by Sasaki. For no apparent reason, all three French Horn players stood and blew a passage from a recent piece by Prokofiev at the moment of Kojiro’s decapitation – he wasn’t dumb enough to let the wheels crush him anywhere else – though that was quickly replaced by a quick segue into “The Saints…” to close things with a bang, just as Sasaki had requested.

The committee returned briefly to the meeting room where Seamus informed them of the suicides of Xdeathfire and Masy that afternoon. From Xdeathfire there had been a brief note: “Can’t take this anymore,” and a plunge from the top of the Abbatoir Hotel. By an odd stroke of luck, Xdeathfire had plunged directly on top of the flagstaff of the Hotel’s own corporate flag, sliding all the way to the bottom. The Police were still debating whether his corpse should be lifted the 35 feet to the top of the pole or simply sawn free. It was clear that no other person had been involved.

Masy had locked himself in his own tightly closed garage, cranked up the radio, turned on the motor, and quaffed the lion’s share of a bottle of Glen Morangie 30. The coroner, who confiscated the remaining liquor for testing, informed the Chief that Masy would have felt no pain.

Seamus wished them luck, confirming the time for the next morning’s briefing.


OOC

The Butcher’s Bill so far:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3), JimBob (N6)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5) [townie], The Stranger (D6), Sasaki Kojiro (D7)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4) [townie], Sir Boo (N4) [wise guy], Sir Moody (N4) [townie] AndrestheCunning (N4) [wise guy], Dutch_Guy (N5) [townie], Sigurd Fafnesbane (N5) [townie], Ultrawar (N5), Crazed Rabbit (N6), HughTower (N6), Kommodus (N6) Warluster (N6)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4) [townie], Peasant Phill (N5) [townie], theRTWGuru (N5) [townie], Pannonian (N6), Masy, (D7), Xdeathfire (D7)

WoGged: MarcusBrutus (D5) [townie], Hepcat (N5) [townie], Ignoramus (N5) [townie], Zalmoxis (N5) [townie]


Vote Tallies:

Selection of Day 8/9 Director:

Redleg = 8 (ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Ituralde, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg, Tom_Hagen)

Reenk Roink = 4 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Orb, Reenk Roink, Xiahou)

Moros = 2 (Moros, Omanes Alexandrapoites the Idiot)

Doc_bean = 1 (doc_bean)

Not Selecting = 12 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Cowhead418, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, JimBob, Kagemusha, Masy, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, Tom_Hagen, Xdeathfire)

Day Seven Lynchee:

Sasaki = 9 (ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Moros, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Xiahou)

Alexander the Pretty Good = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 1 (Reenk Roink)

Not Voting = 10 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Destroyer of Hope, Drisos, Ironside, JimBob, Kagemusha, Masy, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro [director], Xdeathfire)

Edit, FYI:

23 Players are still alive: AtPG, BKS, ByzK, CtArach, Cowhead, Destro, Doc, Drisos, Iron, Ituralde, JimBob, Kage, Luigi, Moros, Omanes, Orb, Pappy, Pindar, Prole, Red, Reenk, Tom_H, X.

Night Seven PM’s commence; Deadline: 1400 EST 1/31/7.

[doc_bean]

Errr..things aren't looking so good for the town anymore.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Errr..things aren't looking so good for the town anymore.
I agree, I can see a mafia victory emmerging. Why did those inactive individuals have to get themselves WoGed. We would have had a much more of a chance of victory.

[doc_bean]

No, I can see a mafia victory immerging. Why did those fools have to get themselves WoGed.

I think that's to be expected in such a large mafia game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, no sense in hiding it anymore.

Sasaki is my "friend." And yes, he is the Wolf. He divulged this information to me early on, before I was murdered. He told me that he had a secret win condition, one that he left out to the three Godfathers. He tried to persuade me to assist him in this task. I was unsure about whether I wanted him or my Don to win, but I do know the secret win condition:

-Eliminate all three Dons simultaneously OR
-Eliminate all Detectives/Doctors

My family is pretty much defunct, and since Sasaki is no longer alive I figure that my loyalties now lie with the town.

This was the list of people that he gave me in the beginning:

Don Corleone: pevergreen
Corleone Luca: GH
Corleone Made: MRD

Don Tattaglia: Kralizec
(other two Tattaglias unknown)

Now, this is where it gets interesting.

Donna Barzini: Proletariat

And straight from the horse's mouth, her two starting associates:



Ah, Seamus only told me you were our family's wolf. I'm working with Crazed Rabbit and Reenk.

woo

The list I posted after my death was a total snow job. I knew about Reenk but nobody else. At that point I was just angry and wanted to cause havoc for the town.

To those of you who question my motives and my honesty, think logically for a minute.

-My Don and fellow Made are long gone. The Corleones are no more.
-The Wolf, the only other person who I could have assisted in a victory condition, is now dead.

Why would I want to help out the White Gloves when they've taken out too many others? Let's aim for a Town Victory here and take out Prole. Then Rabbit, then Reenk.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

The Rabbit is dead, dude.

Very interesting. And it sounds like we bagged ourselves a wolf. Good work voting, people. :2thumbsup:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ah, whoops. But it's obvious by the killing taking place that Prole has done some recruiting since then.

If Rabbit was the Luca, then Prole is vulnerable to assassination tonight. We could decisively defeat the White Gloves by taking out the Don and the Made in one night.

[Csargo]

The Town seeks to eliminate all of the Mafia Dons and to outnumber the surviving Mafiosi. “Inactive” wise guys/gals count as Townies for this purpose.

All we have to do is outnumber the Mafia. I think if prole dies then it will end.

[Lord Winter]

I've ben busy for the last week so I'm sorry I haven't been able to post. For the next day to avoid a wrath of god.
Vote: Abstain

I still have 10+ pages to go through :dizy2:

[doc_bean]

I've ben busy for the last week so I'm sorry I haven't been able to post. For the next day to avoid a wrath of god.
Vote: Abstain

I still have 10+ pages to go through :dizy2:

:cough: night phase :cough:

[Don Corleone]

GH, what's to say you're not working for the Barzinis and you're helping the real Don establish an alabi? Not sure why you'd do that, but then, it's a night phase, not a day phase, not sure why you're posting voting theories.

[doc_bean]

GH, what's to say you're not working for the Barzinis and you're helping the real Don establish an alabi? Not sure why you'd do that, but then, it's a night phase, not a day phase, not sure why you're posting voting theories.

Like you said there's little to no reason for him to lie at this point. I'm inclined to believe him

[Don Corleone]

One more thing... if you had evidence that Prole was one of the Dons, why did you let us lynch Sasaki? He's your 'friend', you're trying to help him, but you wait until after the town lynches him to clear him?

Also, can't families elect a new Don, if they have at least one made/luca?

Unless you're not trying to influence voting.... you're trying to hint to the mafia who they should target this round. They can leave Prole alone, since she's guilty looking and will get lynched next so they can go after other townies. Hmmm....

[GeneralHankerchief]

a) Both pevergreen and I admitted in previous posts that we were working with each other as part of the same family.

b) I want it to be possible to inflict maximum pain on the Barzinis, hence me revealing what I knew as early as possible in order to give one full night to the town to remove this menace.

c) I defended Sasaki, but indirectly and in subtle ways. Obviously it didn't work, and I didn't have the time to fully jump into the ring advocating his survival.

d) I find it very suspicious that you jump out of nowhere and attack me. Afraid that your Donna is going down?

[Csargo]

GH, what's to say you're not working for the Barzinis and you're helping the real Don establish an alabi? Not sure why you'd do that, but then, it's a night phase, not a day phase, not sure why you're posting voting theories.

Well if Sasaki really was the Wolf for the Barzinis family then they wouldn't have voted for Sasaki.

Crazed Rabbit:R1:Kralizec(Don)R2:No Vote R3:No Vote R4:Motep R5:Stranger

Proletariat:R1Kralizec(Don) R2:No Vote R3No Vote R4:Stranger R5:Stranger R6:Not Voting

Reenk Roink:1Reenk Roink 2No Vote 3Reenk Roink 4No Vote 5No Vote 6Reenk Roink


Orb:1Kralizec(Don) 2Stranger 3pevergreen 4 Stranger 5 Stranger 6 Alexander

These are all pro-Sasaki votes. Except for RR who seems to want people to think he wants to die which has gotten him this far so it seems to be working.

[Caius]

I knew it!!

Sasaki was guilty!!

[Don Corleone]

d) I find it very suspicious that you jump out of nowhere and attack me. Afraid that your Donna is going down?

Yep, you got me. I figured the best way to help Donna Barzini is to start screaming "It's not true" for no good reason. Please. Whenever you, Kagemusha or Sasaki come up with some crazy secret reveal late in the game, I get very suspsicous. Sorry, my first game was GH2. I never got over that whole bizarre ending.

But, hey, you may be right. If Prole really is the 3rd don, if we lynch her tomorrow, it's a town victory, right? Well, let's do that. We'll lynch Prole in the next game day. If anybody votes for anybody except for Prole, we'll know they're mafia and probably the new Don of the Tattaglia family.

Families can choose new heads right?

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Tin Star Mafia - at least three people - are three of these four people:

CountArach
DoH
Drisos
Ironside

So lynch them after you lynch Proletariat and Reenk. Apparently mafia dons give false info to people who betray them, and I got chosen as patsy for a mafia don. Ironic, in a way. And lynch the defender of the mafia don, Mr. Hagen. Anyone who defends someone who put me out as cannon fodder deserves to get it.

Either way, it seems kind of lame to divulge all that info after your death. Meh, doesn't effect me, I'm already dead! No short rope and tall tree for me - just a death of peace after getting laid. Not to shabby, in a mafia game.

Yeah, I voted to keep Sasaki alive. Why? Well, every round spent on him was one round people weren't looking for me.

Crazed Rabbit

[GeneralHankerchief]

Rabbit, were you a Luca or a Made?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I can confirm everything GH says.

Here's my role pm to prove it:


The fates must like you......

Your Role: The Wolf

You are a Mafioso from the “old country” but not affiliated with any of the Fatlington crime families. You are the only person to know the names of all of the family Dons. You have amazing abilities in concealment of evidence, but no powers to attempt killings or the like. You have two means of victory: a) you may cause to be eliminated all of the remaining Doctors/Surgeons/Detectives in Fatlington – in which case the winning family must pay you an ongoing tribute, or b) you may arrange the SIMULTANEOUS deaths of ALL of the family Dons (and any new Dons that have sprung up) and assume the role of Cappo de Tutti Capi for yourself (providing that the surviving Mafiosi outnumber the townies). None of the Don’s are aware of anything aside from your protective function.

Powers and Limitations:
If requested by a Don, and only if requested, you may provide your special protection to two Mafiosi or Wise guys during that night.
For the duration of that night, the individuals you protect will only appear “criminal” and not “guilty” even if they are involved in a killing. In fact, that killing (and only the one your protect) will NEVER be calculated as their responsibility in determining their status in subsequent investigations.
Moreover, if the individuals involved in a killing have that killing prevented by a Doctor/Surgeon, you will learn the identity of the doctor/surgeon.
In addition, if the individuals being protected are not involved in a killing, they will appear “innocent” to any investigation.

For this service, you are entitled to one favor from that Don, which the Don MUST provide when you request it. In this way, you can acquire the muscle needed to eliminate your selected targets at a time of your choosing. You cannot request that a Don attack his own family members.

You may also investigate one person per night phase. You may conduct two such investigations on any night you are not protecting someone.

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective you will appear “innocent.” By a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “criminal.”

When investigating a person, you will learn if they are “criminal” (Mades, Lucas, Dons, most Wise Guys), “Unclear” (Some Wise Guys, a few Townies) or “Innocent” (Most Townies, Detectives, Doctors, Surgeons, and the FBI Detective).
If you investigate the same person twice, you will learn their starting role. If you investigate the same person a third time, you will learn their current role as well as their track record with specifics. Not even the government can match your information sources. Be warned, however, that these “special” investigations take longer, and you will not learn the results until the beginning of the NEXT night phase.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer – but you will never acquire more power than a regular “townie.” The same thing holds for townie groups as well. In neither case are you required to reveal your role.

Donna Barzini = Proletariet

Don Corleone = Pevergreen

Don Tataglia = Kralizec

[Csargo]

I can confirm everything GH says.

Here's my role pm to prove it:

I knew you weren't a Rogue Detective.

[JimBob]

Following that bit of information. I give you...a detective! I am RTWguru's replacement. I was promoted during N5.


Your Role has been changed.

Your Role: Detective

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are one of Fatlington’s secret Detectives. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.

Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (40% if Made/Luca, 60% if Wise Guy, 80% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you may not participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.

Previous Investigation Results:

N1: Ichigo = Innocent, Sasaki = Innocent

Previous Detective = theRTWGuru

Special: Night 6, and only Night 6, you may investigate 4 persons as a catch up.

Thanks!

Those four are as follows

Luigi: Innocent

Moros: Criminal

Reenk Roink: Criminal

Redleg: Innocent

Investigations are ongoing.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Rabbit, were you a Luca or a Made?

Eh, screw it. I was made. The better role, in my mind, because it allowed me to kill you, you SoB. Was it fun, being the first to go? Not being able to play in the largest and best mafia game ever seen on the Org?

You know why I went after you? It was your desire to see pevergreen set up as director that gave you away.

Proletariot was my don. What's the point in hiding? Our gang is screwed now, thanks to the dead revealing previously private information.

Might as well just lynch her and end it.

Crazed Rabbit

[Redleg]

I wonder why the new detective came up with a criminal return when he investigated Reenik?

Was there something to his always voting for himself for a lynch? What is Reenik hiding I wonder.......

[HughTower]

Following that bit of information. I give you...a detective! I am RTWguru's replacement. I was promoted during N5.



Those four are as follows

Luigi: Innocent

Moros: Criminal

Reenk Roink: Criminal

Redleg: Innocent

Investigations are ongoing.

Why are you revealing? I don't understand. It all seems a bit too easy. Are luigi & Redleg not innocent in reality & you're covering for them?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Eh, screw it. I was made. The better role, in my mind, because it allowed me to kill you, you SoB. Was it fun, being the first to go? Not being able to play in the largest and best mafia game ever seen on the Org?

You know why I went after you? It was your desire to see pevergreen set up as director that gave you away.

Proletariot was my don. What's the point in hiding? Our gang is screwed now, thanks to the dead revealing previously private information.

Might as well just lynch her and end it.

Crazed Rabbit

Well, I have to hand it to you. I could have sworn that it was Kralizec that had set up the hit on me.

And yes, you did peeve me, in case my initial reaction didn't tip you off. But by knocking me out of the game early, you did leave me kind of free - not really caring how the outcome went. Big mistake.

Might as well say this publicly: Don't ever kill me in the first round. Because that's twice that's happened now, and that's twice where I've played a huge part in taking down the mafia.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Weep, Fatlington, weep!

Even your dead know no peace.

[Redleg]

Why are you revealing? I don't understand. It all seems a bit too easy. Are luigi & Redleg not innocent in reality & you're covering for them?

Why shouldn't he expose himself now, the major Mafia players are cutting each others throats now with Sasaki lynched. So its best to figure out who are townies now so that the proper lynching can happen.

I would lke some explanations from Moros and Reenik about why they are coming up guilty when they are investigated?

Hell we could even set up a multiple lynch if we do it correctly.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh well, now that we're all confessing...



Your Role: Village idiot

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch randomly and without any discernable pattern. Eventually removing everybody from Fatlington and claiming it for your own. Moreover, you are one of Fatlington’s secret creeps. Each night phase, you can investigate two panties of your fellow Townies and sniff them.


Role Changing:

At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:

Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).

Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

The Polar Bear: if you manage to infiltrate in the zoo, you can become 'Bear of all Bears', thereby winning the game.


PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Sleep with so-and-so” “Sleep with so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the "sleep with" / trio / more effort will almost certainly fail. If you attempt a "sleep with" action solo, the effort will create backache and deformation of your hands.


Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies, Wise Guys, Detectives, FBI detectives, Doctors, Surgeons and Mafia, and that “Criminal” includes everybody else.


Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be an idiot and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail. Unless you are an “extra” and manage to sleep with them in an unnatural manner. If you manage to do so using your 'special equipment' the whole family will be revealed.


Previous 'Sleep with' results:

N1: Proletariat. Failed because of attack.

N2: Kralizec. Failed because of necrophilia

N3: Strike for the South. Failed, not a player.

N4: Seamus. Succeeded.


Special: Night 6, and only Night 6, you may 'do' 4 persons as a catch up.

Thanks!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

ROFLMFAO, DNPIMP.:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

Louis you are just prizeless.That award is on the right man!:laugh4:

[Csargo]

Oh well, now that we're all confessing...

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Pannonian]

A bit of an anticlimax, but acrimony and finger-pointing worthy of any Mafia game.

[JimBob]

Why are you revealing? I don't understand. It all seems a bit too easy. Are luigi & Redleg not innocent in reality & you're covering for them?
A number of reasons. As Redleg said, I want to cover the known innocents and make sure no body is lynched. And I think Moros and Reenk have something to do with the Tin Stars. Why not out them? We have the original three families being torn apart. That leaves our up and comers.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, I have to hand it to you. I could have sworn that it was Kralizec that had set up the hit on me.

And yes, you did peeve me, in case my initial reaction didn't tip you off. But by knocking me out of the game early, you did leave me kind of free - not really caring how the outcome went. Big mistake.

Might as well say this publicly: Don't ever kill me in the first round. Because that's twice that's happened now, and that's twice where I've played a huge part in taking down the mafia.

Let you live? How would that have been better? I don't regret killing you in the slightest, and I'd do it again.

I almost felt bad after you moaned about it, but not after you were revealed as a luca.


Why shouldn't he expose himself now, the major Mafia players are cutting each others throats now with Sasaki lynched. So its best to figure out who are townies now so that the proper lynching can happen.

I would lke some explanations from Moros and Reenik about why they are coming up guilty when they are investigated?

Hell we could even set up a multiple lynch if we do it correctly.

Isn't it clear?! Lynch them! End this game, my hope is already shattered.

CR

[CountArach]

HAHAHA! Louis! That was great! Comic Genius!


The Tin Star Mafia - at least three people - are three of these four people:

CountArach
DoH
Drisos
Ironside


Go on, some Detective investigate me. You will find me innocent.

[Xiahou]

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer – but you will never acquire more power than a regular “townie.” The same thing holds for townie groups as well. In neither case are you required to reveal your role.

Donna Barzini = Proletariet

Don Corleone = Pevergreen

Don Tataglia = Kralizec
Now that's interesting.... Next time you forge a PM you should probably double-check to make sure you spell the name of the person you're trying to frame correctly. GH apparently managed that much. :yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hey man, that's how it was in my pm, don't blame me for Seamus's mistake.

[CountArach]

The way I see it is that we don't have much to lose if we lynch Prole. If she turns out to be innocent then we have proven that we can't trust Sasaki's PM. If she is guilty then we have won.

[Pindar]

Oh well, now that we're all confessing...


I actually laughed out loud. I can't remember when a post made me do that last. :2thumbsup:

[Pindar]

The way I see it is that we don't have much to lose if we lynch Prole. If she turns out to be innocent then we have proven that we can't trust Sasaki's PM. If she is guilty then we have won.

Is there only one Don left? I thought there were two families still out and about: the White Gloves and Tin Stars. My understanding was that all mafia had to leave a call sign and mafia standing means an acting Don. Since there are kills with both insignia being used then there must be two families active. No?

[CountArach]

Is there only one Don left? I thought there were two families still out and about: the White Gloves and Tin Stars. My understanding was that all mafia had to leave a call sign and mafia standing means an acting Don. Since there are kills with both insignia being used then there must be two families active. No?

That is logical, yes, however we have killed two Dons, so how could there be two left? I think there is just a pro-mafia vigilante group formed and killing people, the Tin Stars. I'd say that once we kill Prole though, we will win.

[Xiahou]

That is logical, yes, however we have killed two Dons, so how could there be two left? This might answer your question- from the first post in the thread:

Made Gangster
A Made is one of the two initial “Made” gangsters in a crime family. Their objective is to lead up the “wet work” efforts on behalf of their crime family, eventually controlling the town. The initial made gangster of a family is automatically aware of the identity of the family Don. If a family Don has been killed (or never existed), the Made may become a Don provided that: 1) There is at least one other Made in the family, 2) All the other Made Gangsters in your family agree to your becoming the Don, and 3) the Made did not participate directly in the killing of the previous Don.
a) Mades can form a kill group with other Mades or with Wise Gals. One kill may be attempted for each two Mades/Wise Guys. In addition, a Made gangster can conduct one “recruiting” investigation per “night” phase. This investigation will determine if the individual is “criminal,” “innocent,” or “unclear.”
b) If investigated by a Detective or another Made, a Made gangster appears “criminal.” If investigated by a Detective during a “night” phase in which the made gangster is actively involved in a killing, they appear “guilty.”.
c) A Made may function as part of a Townie killing group, but never a protection group.
If prole is a Don and no others have surfaced, we may win. Otherwise, the killings will continue unabated. Guess there's one way to find out.

[CountArach]

Hmmm, that's a good point, I didn't notice that. In that case we may not win at all, and the killing may continue, unless of course this is just a vigilante group who just chose to use an insignia to add more organisation to their cause or something?

[Pindar]

Hmmm, that's a good point, I didn't notice that. In that case we may not win at all, and the killing may continue, unless of course this is just a vigilante group who just chose to use an insignia to add more organisation to their cause or something?

If you note the last night's blood fest there appear three distinctive groups: the White Glove guys, the Tin Star guys and another group. The first two using insignia have a history of kills: the former from many nights back and the latter on at least two separate occasions. If I read correctly, the Tin Stars are a reconstituted family. Were it not so the call sign would be unnecessary. If one then contrasts this reemergent Family with the group the did in Warluster (where no call sign was given): this last group does appear distinct. I think there are three groups. This last being vigilantes with their own agenda. I think the killing will continue.

[The Stranger]

The Rabbit is dead, dude.

Very interesting. And it sounds like we bagged ourselves a wolf. Good work voting, people. :2thumbsup:

GOOD VOTING MY ARSE!!!


I knew it!!

Sasaki was guilty!!

AREN'T YOU GUYS FORGETTING SOMETHING... I was telling the truth after all... you know how much could've been saved when you LISTENED to me in the first place. I named Pever, MRD and Sasaki, no time you believed me, every time it was true... YOU STUPID IDIOTS, killing me was soooooo stupid...

YOU CAN CHEER NOW, but your lead is lost... the game is lost, just because you had to be so stupid... YOU killed 2 townies instead of lynching Sasaki right away... 2, and 2 is vital now... Buncha Idiotas...

:furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

oke... that was fun :P... no serious... I was wrong about Sasaki... he forged the PM... the dude is lying... he's saving time for the other mafia... you actually lynched a don... :whip:

[Moros]

Why shouldn't he expose himself now, the major Mafia players are cutting each others throats now with Sasaki lynched. So its best to figure out who are townies now so that the proper lynching can happen.

I would lke some explanations from Moros and Reenik about why they are coming up guilty when they are investigated?

Hell we could even set up a multiple lynch if we do it correctly.
Yes I'm guilty. I killed Andres remember. If you want to lynch me, go ahead. But you'll only lose investigations. Who do you think sasaki got the role pm from from me. People I investigated:
N1
I missed the first turn.
N2: (even turn, 1 investigation. No kill)
Beirut: Criminal, Made Gangster (Tataglia).
N3:
Major Robert Dump: Made Gangster (Corleone)
pevergreen: Mafia Don (Corleone)
N4 (even trun, attack with 4 on Andres,)
Sasaki: Innocent
N5:
Pannonian: Innocent
Redleg: Innocent
N6: I'll get the results after this night.

Now, I got into contact with sasaki in round 2 (missed the first) I needed connections. He pmed me a twonie role. (It was public by then but still) He put me in contact with many people that were pro town. But he didn't trust me at first so I sended my role pm. Later he posted my pm to save his own skin. He did ask by pm but I he posted before I replied. Now you might not believe me, but give me two turns. Say who I have to investigate, kill those of And I'll post the investiagton results before they are made public by seamus. Anyway, you may or may not believe me. But I worked together with TS who was found innocent. I helped him the whole time and we lynched pretty a lot of mafiosi. When he pointed sasaki as guilty I was didn't believe hil at first but I did investigate him. He came out as innocent. So I kept trusting him. Sorry TS, should have believed you, mate.

Anyway sasaki, TS, AggonyDuck,... all can confirm this.

EDIT: someone care to protect me?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Moros: you just marked yourself as mafia target no 1.

[doc_bean]

Nah, there ares till enough doctors and protection groups around I'd think.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

All: just under 6 hours to the deadline for PMs. I still lack nearly half of them.

I'd rather not wog anybody else, but I do need at least a "I'm Sleeping" PM from you folks -- you can lurk from the rest of them if you wish.

1400 is the close for the PM's. My afternoon is pretty full, but I'll try to get the summary up and rolling as quickly as possible. The earlier you PM me, the more I can have ready to go.

[Redleg]

Yes I'm guilty. I killed Andres remember. If you want to lynch me, go ahead. But you'll only lose investigations. Who do you think sasaki got the role pm from from me.
Okay that explains you. I am waiting for an explaination from Reenik. Being duped by Sasaki is no reason to be lynched. So I will attempt to find a protection group for you.

[Proletariat]

Proleteriet? Hah, I knew GH was way too quiet. A game of this magnitude he couldn't resist being involved in, dead or not. That he'd be working with Sasaki I'd never have guessed, I bought the Rogue PM reveal hook, line and sinker. Figuring that Sasaki (who's confessed to not being a big fan of writing) wouldn't be up to the task of doctoring one of Seamus' PMs so well, it made sense. It never occured to me that GH was doing the writing.

The players familiar with Sasaki around here really believe he'd just throw in the towel like that?


I can confirm everything GH says.

The Dons haven't died simultaneously, so there's no reason at all for Sasaki to back up GH publicly at this point.

And Crazed Rabbit.. et tu? The town I suppose will buy it, but I'm too familiar with you to swallow your disingenuous ad hominems aimed at GH. We know from past games you're too decent of a person, even when you're mafia to even lie outright, let alone getting emotionally worked up and insulting.

Ah well, I'll hang high, one less townie for whichever mafia GH and Sasaki are pulling for. The game shouldn't go for that many more rounds, but when my autopsy comes out, it'll be around the same time that the town discovers that GH and Sasaki were responsible for one of the most clever mafia wins we've seen around here.

:balloon2:

[Redleg]

So its a decision to believe Sasaki and General Hankerchief or to believe Proletariat. At this point given that Sasaki has been playing a game of deception the whole time, the only possible recourse for me is that more information come forth about Proletariat. What have you been doing this whole game? Who can confirm your activities?

Come forth the night phase only has 5 hours left before the next round of voting

Time to begin an indepth analysis of voting and posting stastics to see if we can discover any pattern or lack of pattern.

[Moros]

Time to begin an indepth analysis of voting and posting stastics to see if we can discover any pattern or lack of pattern.
hmm...Where's kommodus?
But I think I know already who I'm going to vote for.

[Redleg]

hmm...Where's kommodus?
But I think I know already who I'm going to vote for.

Kommodus is deceased I believe.

[Moros]

Damn, if someone would be able to do such a thing it was him.
EDIT: we'll find the guild of certain mafiosi out soon, but still.

[Don Corleone]

Well, I can't see why GH would lie at this point. I can't see why he'd reveal like he did either, which was the point of my post, but I've been waiting to see how prole would react to the accusations GH and Sasaki levelled against her, and she's not offering very much. That looks pretty hinky. I think there's more to the story then we're getting, like GH is working for the 3rd family and is trying to use the town to kill off his family's rivals, but who cares... lynching a known mafia is a plus for the town either way.

[Kralizec]

Previous 'Sleep with' results:

N1: Proletariat. Failed because of attack.

N2: Kralizec. Failed because of necrophilia

N3: Strike for the South. Failed, not a player.

N4: Seamus. Succeeded.

Gah! Take note from this people, when making your testamential will don't donate your body to "science".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now, I got into contact with sasaki in round 2 (missed the first) I needed connections. He pmed me a twonie role. (It was public by then but still) He put me in contact with many people that were pro town. But he didn't trust me at first so I sended my role pm. Later he posted my pm to save his own skin. He did ask by pm but I he posted before I replied. Now you might not believe me, but give me two turns. Say who I have to investigate, kill those of And I'll post the investiagton results before they are made public by seamus. Anyway, you may or may not believe me. But I worked together with TS who was found innocent. I helped him the whole time and we lynched pretty a lot of mafiosi. When he pointed sasaki as guilty I was didn't believe hil at first but I did investigate him. He came out as innocent. So I kept trusting him. Sorry TS, should have believed you, mate.

Aha, you were so trusting :bounce:


And luigi, your analysis of the role pm was really quite funny.

[Redleg]

Aha, you were so trusting :bounce:
Taunting has been known to backfire. Maybe Moros should provide more information for people to shift through from the contacts he recieved from you. That just might find a mafia player from your deception attempts.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I already told you who they were.

[Redleg]

I already told you who they were.

Ah but since you were the wolf - can you really be trusted now. :dizzy2:

I suspect your up to something to decieve the town once again. So I better go see the gravedigger and have him dig a deeper hole and pour concrete over your body, maybe that will silence you evil soul for good:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[The Stranger]

I'm going to kill you Sasaki...!!!

Seriously... You didnt even did such a great job in defending yourself... hadnt moros you provided with the PM, I wouldve got you lynched.... ps... next game... we shall meet again...

psh... my style might have been controversional but I goit mafia!!!

[Crazed Rabbit]

So its a decision to believe Sasaki and General Hankerchief or to believe Proletariat. At this point given that Sasaki has been playing a game of deception the whole time, the only possible recourse for me is that more information come forth about Proletariat. What have you been doing this whole game? Who can confirm your activities?

Come forth the night phase only has 5 hours left before the next round of voting

Time to begin an indepth analysis of voting and posting stastics to see if we can discover any pattern or lack of pattern.

Oh come on, there's nothing to think about. GH revealed and the gang is screwed. Might as well end it and lynch the remains. I can't believe you're actually questioning this.


And Crazed Rabbit.. et tu? The town I suppose will buy it, but I'm too familiar with you to swallow your disingenuous ad hominems aimed at GH. We know from past games you're too decent of a person, even when you're mafia to even lie outright, let alone getting emotionally worked up and insulting.

Ah well, I'll hang high, one less townie for whichever mafia GH and Sasaki are pulling for. The game shouldn't go for that many more rounds, but when my autopsy comes out, it'll be around the same time that the town discovers that GH and Sasaki were responsible for one of the most clever mafia wins we've seen around here.

Pfft, lame. Let's lynch her already, and then Reenk.

Guess what, I am mad, angry even, at GH - he came back from the dead and revealed previously unknown information that totally screwed us (us being our mafia, including you, who should be lynched!). Might as well end this already.

CR

[The Stranger]

Don't listen to them... they want you to lynch the wrong one...

Be carefull and lynch Redleg first!

[Crazed Rabbit]

What inanities are you babbling? Don't lynch Proletariat?! She's the don, you should lynch her. How can you even consider doing something else? Sheesh, end it already.

Lynch Redleg? That's absurd - even the wolf Sasaki said he was innocent, even moros said he was innocent.

Crazed Rabbit

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to kill you Sasaki...!!!

Seriously... You didnt even did such a great job in defending yourself... hadnt moros you provided with the PM, I wouldve got you lynched.... ps... next game... we shall meet again...

psh... my style might have been controversional but I goit mafia!!!

You got lynched before I did :tongue3:


btw, my execution. Run over by a wagon, while a band was playing, get it, get it? :tongue3:

[Redleg]

You got lynched before I did :tongue3:


btw, my execution. Run over by a wagon, while a band was playing, get it, get it? :tongue3:

Yea but two of use were not bandwagoning in getting you lynched.....

Hence who was driving and playing ?

You got lynched because you were guilty as you confessed already....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yea but two of use were not bandwagoning in getting you lynched.....

Hence who was driving and playing ?

You got lynched because you were guilty as you confessed already....

I still say it was a poor decision given the evidence and arguments presented ~:handball:

Although don did hit upon the "he got the pm from someone else" idea :balloon2:

[Redleg]

I still say it was a poor decision given the evidence and arguments presented ~:handball:

Although don did hit upon the "he got the pm from someone else" idea :balloon2:

Ah it might have been for some - but we both know from the discussions you weived a tangled web of deciet that got you tangled in the end. I might not of presented an easy to follow arguement on your guilt but it was there.

Now for the ones mentioned in this latest exchange I am waiting for better cases to be presented. Proleriat's response was lacking in detail, more of an attempt to deflect back on the town, versus answering specific details of what her actions for the town have been.

Where is the confirmation from others that she has been active in defending the town from the mischief of you and your mafia allies? Who can confirm if she was on a protection mission during any of these last night phases.

Why is Reenk silent, and why is he voting for himself? Why did he want to become director?

Then there is Crazed Rabbits exchange with General Hankerchief what exactly are they doing. Is it like your information a little bit of truth with a whole lot of deception? I would be interested to know why he named those four individuals? Is it a deception tactic to get us to lynch more townies. He claims three of the four are definitily part of the new mafia group.

CountArach
DoH
Drisos
Ironside


Why would he state that, who can confim that these individuals are pro-town or not.

[Moros]

never had contact with all those so I can't tell.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

They sure didn't help me when I was going to be lynched, why wouldn't I backstab them?

[Redleg]

They sure didn't help me when I was going to be lynched, why wouldn't I backstab them?

Which is exactly why I want more information, information that can be cross-checked

[Redleg]

And Crazed Rabbit.. et tu?

A clue given by mistake I thing Prol. This would imply that a trusted friend has betrayed you. So if Crazed Rabbit self-confession of being a made mafia, that would imply to me that you are indeed working against the town.

How do you explain the comment. What confidence is he breaking in his confession and pointing out your compliticy (SP) in seeking our fair town's destruction.

I await your response Madam, or should I say Donna

[Don Corleone]

A clue given by mistake I thing Prol. This would imply that a trusted friend has betrayed you. So if Crazed Rabbit self-confession of being a made mafia, that would imply to me that you are indeed working against the town.

How do you explain the comment. What confidence is he breaking in his confession and pointing out your compliticy (SP) in seeking our fair town's destruction.

I await your response Madam, or should I say Donna

I don't think there's much doubt that Prole is guilty of something. What i don't get is what you're pointing out here. She and CR are better players than this. CR just comes out and confirms who his don(na) is. Prole basically answers with "how could you betray me like this". Something doesn't add up.

Do the rival clans get something (like 2nd place) if one clan wins?

If the Barzinis help the remaining, hidden Tattaglia, would they get 2nd place? Would the Corleones? That would explain a lot.... why Prole, CR and GH are all giving up the goods for no good reason like they are.

Somehow, I suspect Sasaki has a fiendish plot behind all of this we're going to discover after the next round of lynching. I had really hoped we'd have heard more from Prole, CR or GH before tonight's killings, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Pray, townspeople of Fatlington, that we're not being led to our doom... :skull:

[Crazed Rabbit]

A clue given by mistake I thing Prol. This would imply that a trusted friend has betrayed you. So if Crazed Rabbit self-confession of being a made mafia, that would imply to me that you are indeed working against the town.

How do you explain the comment. What confidence is he breaking in his confession and pointing out your compliticy (SP) in seeking our fair town's destruction.

I await your response Madam, or should I say Donna

Exactly - I'm betraying her, or rather, I just want to bring this now tedious game to a close with the lynching of her and Reenk. GH has screwed us over, we've got no hope of winning now.

I'm sorry, it is somewhat lame, but what the hey? We had a chance before the all knowing dead zombie revealed everything.



CountArach
DoH
Drisos
Ironside

Why would he state that, who can confim that these individuals are pro-town or not.

Because it is true. I have a spreadsheet detailing everything I know. Those were the only possible candidates for the tin star mafia - Lynch them after Proletariat, would you? I swear that I believe this to be the truth.

Crazed Rabbit

[The Stranger]

You got lynched before I did :tongue3:


btw, my execution. Run over by a wagon, while a band was playing, get it, get it? :tongue3:
ofcourse i got it... but did you got my death?

and you were guilty as hell... nothing no bandwagon... you're Sasaki and you must die because of that :laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, I didn't know it would get this heated.

Rabbit, first of all, I'm sorry you feel that way. I do believe that you did have a chance to sow suspicion among the villagers. After all, those PMs could have been faked. I believe we all have experience in doing that.

I privately apologized to Seamus for my actions and he reassured me that I had done nothing wrong, saying that he was not discontent.

This type of game is one, because of the added variable of multiple-family crossfire, of picking which side your loyalties went to when your original team goes down. I decided pretty early on that my loyalties were first, my team, then Sasaki, then the town. I therefore acted accordingly.

[Xiahou]

I guess I'm alone on this, but I smell BS. Why are so many dead liars/mafiosos all screaming for one person's death? It just seems... orchestrated.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

We know: GH was in the Corleones.
I think (trouble following teh drama) we know: GH knew Prole was the Donna

Who was it that attempted to kill Prole N1? If it wasn't the Corleones, then what were they doing? And if it was them, why didn't they try again?

And why did you wait to reveal your role, GH? Didn't you die earlier? :inquisitive:

This is confusing to me, and so seems GH's part in this. :help:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Night Seven Summary

CountArach was lost in thought about his French estates destroyed during the war and the circumstances that brought him to Fatlington -- vineyards torn and burned, the chateau a shell housing pigeons.

“Comte de Rien” he muttered to himself with a hint of bitterness.

The taxi came to an unexpected halt, interrupting his reverie.

“Sorry Mac, there's a crowd jammin’ things up,” said the hack. “Some group of Christer’s I think. I could try Baltic through Chinatown, but I don’t trust them Japs much, not after Pearl.”

Arach began to reply, but thought better of it. He suspected that an explanation of the difference between China and Japan would be wasted on the driver. He also knew Chinatown would take him out of his way. Arach threw enough to cover the fare in the front seat and stepped out of the cab. They were only 6 or 7 blocks from the Library, he’d just walk over, pay his fines and head home.

The reason was clear. There was a small but loud man preaching from the back of a truck. Arach couldn't help but listen as he worked his way through the crowd.

”Do not think the Lord will simply let filth into His House,” shouted the holy roller! “'The Lord is just and His vengeance is terrible! Repent or face His wrath!”

<<The troubles of the city breed these types,>> Arach thought. <<People will look to any hope – even fables – when in fear.>>

“Those with dirty hands, who will not have them cleaned, are worthy of death!”

Arach’s thoughts were interrupted when a man crashed into him knocking him back several steps. He fell, along with a couple of other men in a tangle of arms and legs. As the men stood the man who’d started the tumble spoke.

“You! You’re bleeding!”

“Huh?” He looked down. The man who’d informed him he was bleeding made the statement correct with a quick thrust from a long knife. Before the shock of the stomach wound had really registered, a second knife – wielded from behind – had ripped across his throat from left to right creating a bright fountain of blood under the glare of the streetlights above. Then the first killer got a good look at their target.

“Oh, Crap…”

He was looking into the shocked and uncomprehending eyes of Drisos. In seconds the light in those eyes faded and went dark. The two killers quickly bundled the body into an alley as the crowd dispersed screaming; dropping a white glove on Drisos as they went. Their stained coats would end up in a basement incinerator.

Somehow, in that small tangle of men falling on the sidewalk, Drisos had been outfitted with Arach’s distinctive hat and shoved forward to meet the fate of another. Arach would not sleep well, but he would live to muse again of France and better times.


Destroyer of Hope had kept very quiet throughout this horrible process. Rather than skulking around, however, he’d tried to hide in plain sight. Tonight, he was at a coffeeshop having a late supper. It was one of those pay-as-you-go places, so when it was time to leave he could just leave. Besides, there was a new coffee-slinger behind the counter every time; with that kind of turnover, he could save himself the cost of a tip. He was seated in the last booth, his back to a brick wall, and nobody at all was sitting at the counter. Safe enough.

Without warning, two men burst through the front door with pistols drawn. They fired shots into the roof and shouted for the other patrons to hit the floor. Destro just quietly drew his gun under the table while miming shock and horror on his face. As the other patrons and the counterman dropped out of sight, the two gunmen turned toward Destro – who was now facing them with his own pistol out and leveled.

“We’re two to your one,” said the younger of the two gunmen – being very careful not to move.

“Yeah, but your guns are pointed the wrong way,” said Destroyer. “You might get me, but not before I drop at least one of you. Any volunteers?”

“Besides, you’re outgunned,” said the counterman standing up, a leveled double-barreled 8-gauge shotgun in his hands. “Everybody always overlooks the coffee-slinger. Drop ‘em.”

Both gunmen dropped their weapons.

"Well, now," said Destro, placing his gun in easy reach and grabbing a note pad and pencil. "How about we start with your names and the names of your family members? Unless you want John Q. Public here to wax your asses – this witness will swear you were going for your guns..."

“Don’t worry about it.” Said the older gunman.

The other added, “Don’t trouble yourself about anything.”

The counterman adjusted his aim and blew Destro's head – quite literall – off.

"Did you have to use both barrels? I mean that was a LITTLE excessive, you know," said the younger gunman?

"Cheap jerk didn't even leave me a tip," replied the faux counterman.

"Let that be a lesson to you folks," the older gunmen said to the hiding patrons. "Always take care of your servers."

The gunmen looked at the counterman expectantly.

"What's up," the counterman asked?

"The Glove" they said in unison. The older one continued, "you do have it?"

The counter jockey looked sheepish.

"Fortunately," said the older gunman, "I was a boyscout."

He removed a white glove from his pocket, dropped it, and they all made their way out into the night.


“Well,” said Seamus the next morning to the few who remained, “the results of our posthumous investigations have given us a ray of hope.”

“It would appear that both Crazed Rabbit and HughTower were Made Gangsters, so we can all hope that this mafia scum will continue to weed out one another. Both had criminal pasts, both were deserving of the chair by all accounts. Good riddance!”

“Another criminal who met his end is Warluster. I should note however, that though he was one of these “Wise Guys” we hear tell about, we don’t have any solid leads on his involvement in a crime land gang, though some accuse him of participating as a vigilante. We’re not even certain about what some of the witnesses were saying about his death – some of the things eye witnesses come up with are a little far-fetched to say the least.”

“I can also, sadly, confirm some of losses we suffered to be good honest town-folk. Pannonian was a townie of solid repute as was Kommodus. In fact, we have some indications that Kommodus was what we have nicknamed a “doctor” and had been actively involved in saving the lives of some of those who have been targeted for assassination. They will be missed.”

“Lastly, while we were able to confirm The Stranger’s status.”

The committee paused, while Fermanagh’s officers whispered among themselves. There had been some contention over this. Some people claimed he was one of the Dons’ protectors, acting weird to create a diversion. If that was so, he had done a splendid job. Others, however, said that he was nothing more than an obsessed townie who had a score to settle with the Mafia who he believed had killed his wife.

“Apparently, The Stranger had gone a bit round the bend after the death of his wife last year. He blamed the gangs for her death, so when this all blew up, he turned vigilante. We know he was guilty in connection with at least one murder – AndrestheCunning – but it would appear that he was, after all, just another townie.”

Seamus put away his notes.

“Gentlemen, and Lady, I wish you continued success.”


OOC

The Butcher’s Bill so far:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3), JimBob (N6), CountArach (N7)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2) [mafia don], Beirut (D3) [mafia made], pevergreen (D4) [mafia don], Lord Motep of Kendermore (D5) [townie], The Stranger (D6) [townie], Sasaki Kojiro (D7)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1) [mafia luca], Stig (N2) [wise guy], AggonyDuck (N3) [wise guy], Major Robert Dump (N3) [mafia made], Caius Flaminius (N4) [townie], Sir Boo (N4) [wise guy], Sir Moody (N4) [townie] AndrestheCunning (N4) [wise guy], Dutch_Guy (N5) [townie], Sigurd Fafnesbane (N5) [townie], Ultrawar (N5), Crazed Rabbit (N6) [mafia made], HughTower (N6) [mafia made], Kommodus (N6) [doctor], Warluster (N6) [wise guy], Destroyer of Hope (N7)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2) [townie], Tribesman (D2) [townie], Copperhaired Berzerker (N4) [townie], Peasant Phill (N5) [townie], theRTWGuru (N5) [townie], Pannonian (N6) [townie], Masy, (D7), Xdeathfire (D7)

WoGged: MarcusBrutus (D5) [townie], Hepcat (N5) [townie], Ignoramus (N5) [townie], Zalmoxis (N5) [townie], Drisos (N7)


Day 8 Voting begins, lynch only, Redleg directing. Deadline: 1400 HRS EST
2/1/7

I have a 3:30 apt. I'll pM investigation results and night action responses as soon as possible hereafter. Thanks.

[GeneralHankerchief]

a) I knew about Kralizec, Prole, Rabbit, and Reenk when I was alive. Also, their identities were revealed to me by a legitamite source. Untrustworthy, maybe, but legitamite.

b) After my death, I did play a hand in Kralizec's lynching but it was done so without hinting that I knew anything previously about Kralizec's affiliation.

c) I honestly have no idea who we tried to kill in Night 1. I decided to protect pevergreen, fulfilling my role as Luca (who sleeps with the fishes).

d) I waited to reveal my role because after it was clear that the Corleones were going down, I was now rooting for Sasaki. Once Sasaki was lynched, my loyalties now lied with the town and thus I divulged what I knew in hopes that it would assist them.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Ichiago tryed to get Prol. Not mafia.

[Moros]

What's up with ultrawar's role?

vote:proletariat


Do I need to explain?
tally (plz update guys.):
Prolterariat - 1 (Moros)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Wow, I didn't know it would get this heated.

Rabbit, first of all, I'm sorry you feel that way. I do believe that you did have a chance to sow suspicion among the villagers. After all, those PMs could have been faked. I believe we all have experience in doing that.

I privately apologized to Seamus for my actions and he reassured me that I had done nothing wrong, saying that he was not discontent.

This type of game is one, because of the added variable of multiple-family crossfire, of picking which side your loyalties went to when your original team goes down. I decided pretty early on that my loyalties were first, my team, then Sasaki, then the town. I therefore acted accordingly.

Suspicion, yeah, that would have been effective. Especially after Sasaki's post. Maybe one or two of the people in the town would have voted for someone other than Proletariet.

Oh, and I'm sooooo very glad you are sorry I feel this way. (Seems a wee bit different from being sorry for what you did.)

Or maybe I'm just taking it too hard. I got whacked by the Tin Stars, but I figured, hey, my team could still win. After all, we've struggled to come this far, but we might still have a chance.

Oh, wait! Nope! Hold that thought! Someone who has no stake in the game is going to post something from a private conversation and ruin everything.

Yay!

Gah, just lynch Prole and then Reenk if he lives and then whoever else. I'm sorry Proletariat, but it was doomed.

Crazed Rabbit

[Pannonian]

21 still alive.


Alexander the Pretty Good
Big King Sanctaphrax
ByzantineKnight
CountArach
Cowhead418
Doc_Bean
Ironside
Ituralde
JimBob
Kagemusha
Luigi VI di Fatlington
Moros
Orb
Omanes Alexandropolites
Papewaio
Pindar
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Tom Hagen
Xiahou

[Orb]

Vote:Proletariat

I don't think we've got any chance beyond this one...

Oh, and could someone vote for me? I feel left out :(

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I too Vote: Proletariat till I have results which prove me otherwise.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Nice use of a WoG for a failed attack. :laugh4:

[Moros]

20 still alive.
probably innocent (bold), probably mafia(in italics):

Alexander the Pretty Good
Big King Sanctaphrax
ByzantineKnight
CountArach
Cowhead418
Doc_Bean
Ironside
Ituralde
JimBob
Kagemusha
Luigi VI di Fatlington
Moros
Orb
Omanes Alexandropolites
Papewaio
Pindar
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Xiahou


So than some of these are mafia:
Alexander the Pretty Good
ByzantineKnight
Cowhead418
Ituralde
Kagemusha
Orb
Papewaio
Pindar
Xiahou

Someone knows or at least is quite sure that some of these are innocent. Please state. Than we can make a list of probably mafiosi and probably innocents.

[Don Corleone]

If I was MRD or Pevergreen, I'd be pretty PO'd at GH right now, let alone Crazed Rabbit or Proletariat. If what he says is true, and I think it is, he let them take a dirt nap (one got murdered, one got lynched), even though he could have told them who the rival don was. What I don't get is why he decided to protect the Barzinis up until now.... if he was a Corleone, how would keeping quiet on Prole, CR and Reenk help his family or Sasaki... As I'm a townie, I'm glad he's having this little temper tantrum. GH, sing away, our little canary. Name any other mafia you're aware of. But remind me never to climb into a foxhole with you, amigo. You'd stab your own mother in the back....

Vote: Proletariat

[Redleg]

Come on folks I like to see a double lynch happen while I am director.

How about both Reenk and Proletiat.

I am still wondering why Reenk continues to vote for himself in a lynch and why he came up criminal in a detective investigation.

[Don Corleone]

So than some of these are mafia:
Alexander the Pretty Good
ByzantineKnight
Cowhead418
Ituralde
Kagemusha
Orb
Papewaio
Pindar
Xiahou

Someone knows or at least is quite sure that some of these are innocent. Please state. Than we can make a list of probably mafiosi and probably innocents.

Aren't you leaving your own name off the list? Look, it's simple, count the townies... we have to have a majority. Lynch Prole and the town wins. If she's not a don, we're screwed, but why would GH lie?

Edit: Also, how did you whittle my name and the 10 others off of that list? Right now, I trust Redleg, myself and NOBODY else.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

haha, well played Hugh. Where did you get the townie pm from? I don't remember when I first pm'd you.

I thought you were being conveniently helpful with that "lynch the lurkers" campaign.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Excellent, vote for prole.

One question - I did not lie when I said I believed CountArach to be the tin star mafia - who in hell is protecting him?!

CountArach and Ironside are the only possible members left of the Tin Star gang - was someone also protecting Ironside? - why are they being protected?!?!

Though, seeing as the Tin Stars did not act tonight, perhaps they protected one of their own. I hope that is the case, and townies are not protecting these scum.

Crazed Rabbit

[Redleg]

So than some of these are mafia:
Alexander the Pretty Good
ByzantineKnight
Cowhead418
Ituralde
Kagemusha
Orb
Papewaio
Pindar
Xiahou

Someone knows or at least is quite sure that some of these are innocent. Please state. Than we can make a list of probably mafiosi and probably innocents.

Well that is a good list to start with I know of Kagemusha's actions because I have alreadly stated it several times in his defense. He works protection missions with me.

I have used Byzantine Knight on protection missions during the first two night phases but if I remember correctly I have not used him since.

Papewaio and Pinder I am fairily sure are townies since I coordinated with them last night for protection missions.

Orb is a recent contact that did a protection mission last night

And finally if my memory still holds - Ituralde has also worked a protection mission that I helped coordinate.

That leaves

Alex
Cowhead
Xiahou

[Moros]

You think I'm mafiosi. Add me to the list then, tough I can assure you I'm not anyway. Who can add or change stuff to list?To have a list of suspects detective can investigate and people can be voted. I'm already investigated and I'm guilty (Andres murder party) Lynch me anytime. But first the more porbably mafiosi please. Try to lynch someone else than Reenkroink. Gonna kill ze guy next night. So try to lycnh someone else. this way we can save up a turn.

Edit: lynck Reenk anyway. I forget I can't next turn only the turn after. So let's lynch him too.

[Moros]

Well that is a good list to start with I know of Kagemusha's actions because I have alreadly stated it several times in his defense. He works protection missions with me.

I have used Byzantine Knight on protection missions during the first two night phases but if I remember correctly I have not used him since.

Papewaio and Pinder I am fairily sure are townies since I coordinated with them last night for protection missions.

Orb is a recent contact that did a protection mission last night

And finally if my memory still holds - Ituralde has also worked a protection mission that I helped coordinate.

That leaves

Alex
Cowhead
Xiahou
Alex& cowhead. Will be investiogated than.

Edit: unvote: Proletariat; vote Reenk Roink
Let's have a tie.

[Don Corleone]

Excellent, vote for prole.

One question - I did not lie when I said I believed CountArach to be the tin star mafia - who in hell is protecting him?!

CountArach and Ironside are the only possible members left of the Tin Star gang - was someone also protecting Ironside? - why are they being protected?!?!

Though, seeing as the Tin Stars did not act tonight, perhaps they protected one of their own. I hope that is the case, and townies are not protecting these scum.

Crazed Rabbit

Hey there, no confusing us. The Tin Stars are a bunch of vigilantes. We just need to lynch Prole to win. Did we ever nail down who the missing member of the Tattaglias were?

It was Don Tattaglia=Kralizec Luca=Beirut Made = ????

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It was Don Tattaglia=Kralizec Luca=Beirut Made = ????

HughTower obviously.

[Redleg]

A tie is a good thing

Proleriat - 3 (Orb, Omanes, Tom)
Reenk - 1 (Moros)

[Moros]

Times are dark if even I have lost the eagerness to update tallies. SIgh.

Oh well as long there is pie.

[Ituralde]

I will do the natural thing here and follow the others with my vote.

Vote: Reenk Roink

[Kagemusha]

Edit GAH!GAH!Im too slow.Vote : Reenk Roink

Proleriat - 3 (Orb, Omanes, Tom)
Reenk - 3 (Moros,Ituralde,Kagemusha)

[Kommodus]

Just a quick thought - perhaps the tin-star gang are the Tattaglias with a newly-elected Don? They were hurt by the loss of their first Don Kralizec, but not wiped out.

[Don Corleone]

Why does this thread title show up as (over) now?

[Kralizec]

Wow, you all need anger management therapy.
Except Crazed Rabbit, you're obviously lying through your teeth.

If Proletariat really was a Donna like GH and Sasaki say, I should be glad about her getting the noose. But she can't be the Don(na).
She was already suspected earlier of being Donna Barzini because of the "white glove" signature. She remarked that she wasn't stupid enough to incriminate herself in such a way, and I believe that.
Out of the blue, GH and Sasaki suddenly "reveal" that Prole is the leader of the Barzini.
GH got his knowledge about my ID via Sasaki, and the "info" about Proletariat as well. Maybe GH honestly thinks that Prole is the Don, but then Sasaki lied to him- something I'm sure we all believe him capable of. Either way it makes little difference.
Crazed Rabbit appears and blurts out (paraphrasing) "Oh, it's true! Woe is us!" and starts a posting spree while acting conform the role of a sore loser.


it seems kind of lame to divulge all that info after your death. Meh, doesn't effect me, I'm already dead! No short rope and tall tree for me - just a death of peace after getting laid. Not to shabby, in a mafia game.

Eh, screw it. I was made. The better role, in my mind, because it allowed me to kill you, you SoB. Was it fun, being the first to go? Not being able to play in the largest and best mafia game ever seen on the Org?
Proletariot was my don. What's the point in hiding? Our gang is screwed now, thanks to the dead revealing previously private information.

Might as well just lynch her and end it.

Isn't it clear?! Lynch them! End this game, my hope is already shattered.

Oh come on, there's nothing to think about. GH revealed and the gang is screwed. Might as well end it and lynch the remains. I can't believe you're actually questioning this.
...
Let's lynch her already, and then Reenk.

What inanities are you babbling? Don't lynch Proletariat?! She's the don, you should lynch her. How can you even consider doing something else? Sheesh, end it already.

...et cetera.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Lynch: Proletariat
lol forgot to vote.

For Seamus:

Lynch:
Proletariat - 4 (Orb, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Tom_Hagen, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Reenk Roink - 3 (Moros, Ituralde,Kagemusha)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why does this thread title show up as (over) now?

I suppose I shouldn't have changed it.

[Don Corleone]

Wow, you all need anger management therapy.
Except Crazed Rabbit, you're obviously lying through your teeth.

If Proletariat really was a Donna like GH and Sasaki say, I should be glad about her getting the noose. But she can't be the Don(na).
She was already suspected earlier of being Donna Barzini because of the "white glove" signature. She remarked that she wasn't stupid enough to incriminate herself in such a way, and I believe that.
Out of the blue, GH and Sasaki suddenly "reveal" that Prole is the leader of the Barzini.
GH got his knowledge about my ID via Sasaki, and the "info" about Proletariat as well. Maybe GH honestly thinks that Prole is the Don, but then Sasaki lied to him- something I'm sure we all believe him capable of. Either way it makes little difference.
Crazed Rabbit appears and blurts out (paraphrasing) "Oh, it's true! Woe is us!" and starts a posting spree while acting conform the role of a sore loser.

...et cetera.

Hmmm, Kralizec has a point, and I have thought of this. There's two questions I cannot answer...

1) If GH is telling the truth, why did he screw over his family by not sharing Sasaki's post with them?

2) Rabbit was out of the blocks running. He's not trying to distance himself, he's already dead. Who is he protecting, and why?

[Redleg]

Lynch: Proletariat
lol forgot to vote.

For Seamus:

Lynch:
Proletariat - 4 (Orb, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Tom_Hagen, Alexander the Pretty Good)
Reenk Roink - 3 (Moros, Ituralde,Kagemusha)


I wonder why your so quick to jump on the hang Proletariat bandwagon. What do you know there young man. Why does your name come out on the possible suspect list that has been posted?

Lets here some good information come out...


Do we need to apply the :whip:

[GeneralHankerchief]

My motives have already been explained. Since I was killed in the very first round, I never really had a chance to feel that "go team!" emotion that has happened in the past.

Why would Sasaki lie to me? He needed someone else to help see his plans through. It would have been much easier to do it with a partner than on his own.

Also, Rabbit has proven time and time again in these games that no matter what happens, he does tell the truth, no matter what.

[Kagemusha]

Well what our detectives have found out this night?It would be very intresting to hear.:smash:

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Redleg - I thought GH's post was just about proof, though I grow less sure.

[Don Corleone]

My motives have already been explained. Since I was killed in the very first round, I never really had a chance to feel that "go team!" emotion that has happened in the past.

Why would Sasaki lie to me? He needed someone else to help see his plans through. It would have been much easier to do it with a partner than on his own.

Also, Rabbit has proven time and time again in these games that no matter what happens, he does tell the truth, no matter what.

You screwed over your team because you got killed the first night? Did you think they did it? :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:

Rabbit doesn't lie, but he also doesn't give up. What's more, he usually makes some big spiel about "I don't lie, and I'm telling you, I'm not lying". He hasn't done that.

And why would Kralizec, a rival don, try to protect Donna Barzini. This game is making less and less sense as it goes on?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well what our detectives have found out this night?It would be very intresting to hear.:smash:

I'm sure you would. It's real funny that GH tells you he's a doctor night one and he ends up dead that night :stare:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And why would Kralizec, a rival don, try to protect Donna Barzini. This game is making less and less sense as it goes on?

Is this the point where I reveal I was actually the doctor?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Jeez Sasaki, when are you going to tell us you're Seamus' double account? :laugh4:

[Pindar]

Just a quick thought - perhaps the tin-star gang are the Tattaglias with a newly-elected Don? They were hurt by the loss of their first Don Kralizec, but not wiped out.


I think this is the case. Consider: both Crazed Rabbit and Hugh Tower are listed as Made. I think they were part of different organizations. Also, there were three attacks and two deaths last night. All the attacks were on those listed by Crazed Rabbit as Tin Star possibles (White Glove retaliation for Crazed Rabbit's death?). CountArach was protected. No attacks were registered under the Tin Star mark. All previous Tin Star attacks have been single night events. Perhaps, the Tin Stars are comprised of a Don and enough for one hit a night. With Hugh Tower dead they might have had enough to try a kill or go into protection mode. With the list put out by Crazed Rabbit maybe they went defensive assuming a storm was coming.

Also note: Drisos' end is listed as a wog, but a White Glove was also left with the body. Drisos was posted as a possible mafia member by Crazed Rabbit. Perhaps, the White Glove Mafia targeted him and the two others. This would mean they were able to launch three attacks in a single night. This would suggest they have some numbers. If I understand the rules, If Prol. is lynched there is still the Tin Star Don out and about. Then there are the surviving White Glove boys who have the longest track record for kills. I would assume they have more than one Made and thus could reconstitute. I don't think the blood will stop or the town is safe. I'm still shaky on rules, but this is how I see things. Thoughts?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Jeez Sasaki, when are you going to tell us you're Seamus' double account? :laugh4:

I'm very disappointed in you. That was told to you in private :shame:

[Don Corleone]

Is this the point where I reveal I was actually the doctor?

You were one of the doctors? So GH was lying?

Unvote: Prole
Vote: I don't have a freaking clue, abstain.

[Orb]

You were one of the doctors? So GH was lying?

Unvote: Prole
Vote: I don't have a freaking clue, abstain.

You could always vote for me :balloon2:

[Caius]

wher are the detectives?

[Kagemusha]

I'm sure you would. It's real funny that GH tells you he's a doctor night one and he ends up dead that night :stare:

Sasaki, old buddy.It seems we have some serious trust issues between each other.~;) Cant you believe that i have been pro town all way long? Gah,i would vote you but you are dead,wolfie!~:wave:

[Louis VI the Fat]

This inter-mafia warfare has been doing all our work. Can we safely assume that:

Corleone - don: Pevergreen, luca: GH, made: MRD. Sign: Strangled with Piano Wire. (No kill)
Tataglia - don: Kralizec, luca: HughTower, made: Beirut. Sign: note pinned to body.
Barzini - donna: Proletariat, luca: Crazed Rabbit, made: Reenk Roink. Sign: white glove.

Tin Star Texas Rangers: CountArach, DoH, Drisos.

Is this correct?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah. Probabably the least deserved town victory evar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No, hold on a minute. Assuming Barzini is White Glove and that Rabbit killed me (which he says he did), then something's wrong. There was a note on my corpse.

Also, Rabbit was a Made, not a Luca.

[Pindar]

Hmmm, Kralizec has a point, and I have thought of this. There's two questions I cannot answer...

1) If GH is telling the truth, why did he screw over his family by not sharing Sasaki's post with them?

2) Rabbit was out of the blocks running. He's not trying to distance himself, he's already dead. Who is he protecting, and why?


This is interesting. I don't understand the whole dead being able to take any action any way (it seems wrong as the dead are...dead). This seems a flaw in the game and certainly unsportsmanlike. Even so, the dead are posting, making charges and evidently fairly inconsistent: Why 'screw' your own team, watch them die and then much, much latter reemerge with charges that could have made one's team quite powerful. Mighty queersome.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki, old buddy.It seems we have some serious trust issues between each other.~;) Cant you believe that i have been pro town all way long? Gah,i would vote you but you are dead,wolfie!~:wave:

Oh, we both know better than that Kage.

[Xiahou]

You could always vote for me :balloon2:
Man, somebody has a deathwish. :skull:

Vote:Orb

[Louis VI the Fat]

Crazed Rabbit, if it can mend relations a bit, GH and I only made our first PM contact after you were dead. I made an educated guess that you were mafia.
Nobody was more amazed than me that you got whacked the very same night. I'm still dying to find out if I had anything to do with your mafia death or if that is just wishful thinking.


I like the white glove thingy of the Barzinis. How very classy and feminine to turn a murder into a fashion statement.

Yes, Redleg, I, others, it would appear Kralizec too, were already discussing this option. We were suspicious, of RR too, but nothing more than that. I don't know if we would've figured it out, or if the town even would've had enough time without GH's revelations. Or CR's about the tin stars for that matter.



Or are we all being duped, are we led astray? Is there an evil genius plotting behind the scenes to bring doom and disaster over this town after all...?

Vote: Orb :skull:

[Don Corleone]

This is interesting. I don't understand the whole dead being able to take any action any way (it seems wrong as the dead are...dead). This seems a flaw in the game and certainly unsportsmanlike. Even so, the dead are posting, making charges and evidently fairly inconsistent: Why 'screw' your own team, watch them die and then much, much latter reemerge with charges that could have made one's team quite powerful. Mighty queersome.

The general rule has been (spoken or unspoken) that the dead can talk and cast dispersions, but they cannot reveal anything they didn't reveal in life. GH says that Seamus gave him permission to do a post-mortem reveal.

As for the why, I have no idea why GH didn't share this with his team, or the town earlier. On the first point, he says that since he got killed the first night, he didn't feel any loyalty to them. I guess he blamed them. On the second, he claimed he was backing Sasaki until Sasaki got lynched. Now he's saying that Prole really is the Don, but that CR was in fact in a different gang. I can't keep up, to tell you the truth. GH seems shakier and shakier with each post.

And if either way, if CR is telling the truth or if he's lying, he's one sneaky son-of-a-gun. If he's telling the truth, he's giving up the goods on his own Don(na), to hurry up and the game because he got tired of being on the sidelines. If he's lying (and I'm starting to think more and more he is), he's got another Don on the side that we haven't even considered yet. :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: I think when this is over, CR should run for Congress.

[Reenk Roink]

The only reason I posted on this game at all was to not to disrespectful to my former partner. Sorry Seamus, I know this game will go down as legendary, but I never understood it at all. It was confusion and feeling left out and not apathy man.

I just glimpsed at some of the stuff said, and I'm not even going to try and refute them because I don't know where to begin.

Vote: Reenk Roink
Select: Reenk Roink

I will refute one thing though. My name is "Reenk". Not "Reeink" or "Reenik" or "Renix"

[Proletariat]

Nice job, town. I'm not bothering to try and save myself here, just getting it in before what's happened is brought out for the rest of the players. Falling for this CR, Sasaki, GH sham is a joke.

You really believe Crazed Rabbit was my made and as soon as I got serious suspicion in the thread, he'd throw his hands up and start flying off the handle in the thread? Pretty crappy made, if that were the case. Ending every question in his posts since with tons of '?!?!!!'?

You really believe that General H, the guy who brought mafia to the org, probably the most experianced mafia player here, found out I was a rival Don, and never told his own mafia to wax me? LOL

Dead townies are encouraged in the rules to stay involved after they're dead, to pull for a mafia win. We have an innocent townie who killed himself, just to prove it, to further the cause. Yet you all believe General bleeding H just throws in the towel after his death and says 'I couldn't give a damn if my family wins this, since I'm dead.' Sounds a little unbelievably selfish to me.

If GH actually got a PM stating my role and my mafia, why wouldn't he have exposed it earlier or had his family target us? Because he was sticking up for his buddy, Sasaki (shown to be the most low of liars in this game, yet his word becomes gold when it's attached to GH's)? Haha

The town deserves this loss. Only request Redleg, a last cigarette, please

[Kagemusha]

Oh, we both know better than that Kage.

What we know now better?:inquisitive:

[Pindar]

Yes, Redleg, I, others, it would appear Kralizec too, were already discussing this option. We were suspicious, of RR too, but nothing more than that. I don't know if we would've figured it out, or if the town even would've had enough time without GH's revelations. Or CR's about the tin stars for that matter.



The general rule has been (spoken or unspoken) that the dead can talk and cast dispersions, but they cannot reveal anything they didn't reveal in life. GH says that Seamus gave him permission to do a post-mortem reveal.

I'm confused. GH's type of reveal is considered poor play. It is recognized as a critical, potentially game turning incident. And, Seamus gave the go ahead to have this done? Why?

Or, is there another agenda at work? Is this a plans within plans approach to things?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

To the best of my knowledge, the game is not over. Since I'm hosting it, I hope that counts for something. If you have questions, PM me. If I can answer without giving away stuff I shouldn't, I will. I'll get teh N7 PM stuff out as quick as I can.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What we know now better?:inquisitive:

Oh you know what we know you know now :yes:

[Redleg]

The town deserves this loss. Only request Redleg, a last cigarette, please

One last cigarette then.

I really was hoping that you would provide information about your activities so that we could prove you innocent. So that I could narrow down the list of suspects, but what an eloquent plea of "I don't give a damn, your a bunch of knuckleheads"

Where are those clapping hands - well done.

[Kagemusha]

Oh you know what we know you know now :yes:

Lol!:laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lol!:laugh4:

I'd like everyone to note Kage's confession :yes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oy.

I apologized to Seamus after I posted the reveal when I saw Rabbit's reaction. Seamus exonerated me, and thus I have no regrets since he had no qualms about it.

Believe what you want about my loyalties, but it's the truth. After my death I was pretty disgusted with the game and didn't really look at it for a few days aside from the occasional post pointing everyone to that fake list of mine. By the time I got back into the game, my family was dead.

And to those who are claiming conspiracy by me, Rabbit, and Sasaki, there's one minor problem:

WE'RE ALL DEAD.

[Pindar]

To the best of my knowledge, the game is not over. Since I'm hosting it, I hope that counts for something. If you have questions, PM me. If I can answer without giving away stuff I shouldn't, I will. I'll get teh N7 PM stuff out as quick as I can.

This doesn't seem to support the Seamus gave me permission to reveal stance. Does then mean the GH 'reveal' isn't a reveal, but something else?

[Andres]

Hmmm...

So GH has a reputation of an experienced and fair player?

So now he posts this: I betray my family because I'm death anyway...

But he knows nobody would believe him!

And thus, the townies will not lynch Proletariat and his Donna is saved.

He saves his Donna by combining 1) a confession which is in fact the truth and nothing but the truth with 2) his good reputation so nobody will believe his confession... And they add Crazed Rabbit who will turn out to be an Oscar worthy actor at the end of the game.

I think GH tells the truth but wants the town to believe he is lying.

He's a very good player and he's gambling.

Me think you have to lynch Proletariat and Reei... Renik... Roiee.. whatever.

C'mon GH, don't tell me you wouldn't dare to take this risk.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

lol Andre.

[Don Corleone]

Okay, so here's where things stand:

GH issued a reveal of Sasaki's role, after Sasaki got lynched, in which he claimed Sasaki was the wolf, had shared his PM with him on the very first night, and that Prole was the remaining Don(na). He didn't tell his family this because he was pissed about getting killed in the game, he just let them die. He comes back, and starts working with Sasaki behind the scenes. Then Sasaki gets lynched, by the town, and GH decides now he's pissed at the other family and wants a town win, so hence, the reveal.

In the meantime, Crazed Rabbit, who's supposed to be Prole's assistant, immediately hops up and says yep, he's right, and Prole's the one to lynch. And proceeds to post 8 messages saying we should lynch prole, who is supposedly his boss. And his whole motivation? He's bored watching the game from the sidelines?

Then Sasaki shows up and, even though he's never been particularly concise in the past, answers with a simple "Yep, everything they said was true, next question...".

I'm sorry, there's no way this adds up. Prole may very well be a mafia. Hell, she might even be a don of a reformed Tattaglia clan. But this whole thing from GH, CR and Sasaki stinks. It only makes sense if you consider one possiblity... yes, GH and CR are both dead.

But what if they're both on the same family, and they're trying to protect their surviving don and/or other members? Prole might be in the Tattaglia clan, she might even be a Barzini... she hasn't exactly done a great job defending herself, maybe she's taking one for the team... she is not the Don of the Barzini clan. I don't know who that is, but it's not her. The fact that they included Reenk in this whole thing and he's not answering sort of exonerates him as well. Now, Redleg is the director. So I can't vote for him.

But the next false reveal, claim of a role, claim of knowledge of a role without actual proof or another fake fight by a living person, and that's who I'm voting for. I'm putting the dead on my ignore list until the end of the game.

[Kagemusha]

I'd like everyone to note Kage's confession :yes:

Allright,allright Sasaki you got me.Here is my role PM:



Your Role: Kamikaze

Your role in this game is Kamikaze. In order to gain total victory, you dont have to do anything, just die and victory is yours.

I have tryed my best but it seems i just cant pull it off.:shrug:

[Louis VI the Fat]

I'm confused. GH's type of reveal is considered poor play. It is recognized as a critical, potentially game turning incident. And, Seamus gave the go ahead to have this done? Why?

Or, is there another agenda at work? Is this a plans within plans approach to things?I don't know.

Even the townies have played the game of staged in-fighting in this game. It is much easier for mobsters, who are much more sure of their respective identities, to pull the same stunt off. We'll just have to listen carefully. I'm following Pannonians advice that townies having an open discussion is a good defense.

For example, I'm struggling with the rules a bit. How many mafia members must their mathematically still be in the game for the amount of kills they managed to make?

Also, CR claims he killed GH. GH claims CR belonged to Prole, CR, RR - the white gloves as far as we know. Yet a note was pinned to GH's pillow.


Ah well, let's hang Proletariat first and worry about it later.

Vote: Proletariat.

Edit: oh, Unvote: Orb

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unofficial vote count:

Proletariat 4 (orb,omanes,AtPG,luigi)
Reenk Roink 4 (Moros,Ituralde,Kage,Reenk Roink)

[Don Corleone]

That is IT!!!!


But the next false reveal, claim of a role, claim of knowledge of a role without actual proof or another fake fight by a living person, and that's who I'm voting for. I'm putting the dead on my ignore list until the end of the game.


Allright,allright Sasaki you got me.Here is my role PM:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Your Role: Kamikaze

Your role in this game is Kamikaze. In order to gain total victory, you dont have to do anything, just die and victory is yours.


I have tryed my best but it seems i just cant pull it off.

VOTE: Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

That is IT!!!!





VOTE: Kagemusha

Sorry DC.I just couldnt resist the urge to post that.:embarassed:

[Orb]

Unofficial vote count:

Proletariat 4 (Orb,Omanes,AtPG, Luigi)
Reenk Roink 4 (Moros,Ituralde,Kage,Reenk Roink)
Kage (DC)
Orb (Xiahou :bow:)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh come on.


That intrigues me. When i logged in the morning of Day 1 (I woke up around 4 hours after the game started, the game started around 3 am) I had 3-5 pms.

1 was my role pm
1 was from sasaki... within ten minutes of the role pm's being sent
1 was from MRD or GH saying "Hello my don"etc
1-2 were from random people asking if i was townie.

The One from Sasaki..from memory

(Not exact wording)

"Hello Don Corlone, I am your wolf.

I can protect your luca and made from investigations, making them appear innocent, allowing you to pass unnoticed" and more random stuff.

But then after he knows im a don...i believe i told him that i deleted my day 1 pm's, and after that he never reffered to me as a don... Clearing himself.

Why would TS not put any of his infomation foward? Because i only gave it to him an hour or so before he posts it.

The chat were i revealed i was don and who my family members were was about 8 hours before i got lynched.


MRD and GH can confirm Sasaki was working with us, As can my role PM


That is funny. Once GH died, we kind of cut contact.

GH did, however know that Sasaki is the Wolf. I sent all three of them(MRD, GH and Sasaki) a document, that was a collaberation of all the infomation we knew.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Can we prove you're not just sowing discord amongst the town for your a mafia victory, GH? As a made/luca, you technically lose if the town wins. And you have been stirring the waters a lot here. :book:

It's not like you can actually show us your PMs - all you can do is post text.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've already lost, APG. My family is long gone. I would rather see a town victory than another family take over.

[Redleg]

While we are discussing things before the final vote lets not forget this write up


Arach’s thoughts were interrupted when a man crashed into him knocking him back several steps. He fell, along with a couple of other men in a tangle of arms and legs. As the men stood the man who’d started the tumble spoke.

“You! You’re bleeding!”

“Huh?” He looked down. The man who’d informed him he was bleeding made the statement correct with a quick thrust from a long knife. Before the shock of the stomach wound had really registered, a second knife – wielded from behind – had ripped across his throat from left to right creating a bright fountain of blood under the glare of the streetlights above. Then the first killer got a good look at their target.

“Oh, Crap…”

He was looking into the shocked and uncomprehending eyes of Drisos. In seconds the light in those eyes faded and went dark. The two killers quickly bundled the body into an alley as the crowd dispersed screaming; dropping a white glove on Drisos as they went. Their stained coats would end up in a basement incinerator.

Somehow, in that small tangle of men falling on the sidewalk, Drisos had been outfitted with Arach’s distinctive hat and shoved forward to meet the fate of another. Arach would not sleep well, but he would live to muse again of France and better times.


Gee how can I be so stupid :wall: a clue right before my eyes.

CountArachif my suspecions are correct is the new fourth Don, and was protected by his Luca.

So lets not forget about him in our eagerness to hang Proleriat

Hell lets go for a three way tie just to liven up the write up. I have a wonderful idea for a lynch if it does happen. Been reading a lot on Vlad the Impaler.

I know what 12 individuals were claiming to do last night - which basically leaves only the mafia players and a few townies I am unaware of. Who else could of protected Arach but his Luca.

Lots of people to lynch

Proleriat
Reenk
CountArach.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmmm...

So GH has a reputation of an experienced and fair player?

So now he posts this: I betray my family because I'm death anyway...

But he knows nobody would believe him!

And thus, the townies will not lynch Proletariat and his Donna is saved.

He saves his Donna by combining 1) a confession which is in fact the truth and nothing but the truth with 2) his good reputation so nobody will believe his confession... And they add Crazed Rabbit who will turn out to be an Oscar worthy actor at the end of the game.

I think GH tells the truth but wants the town to believe he is lying.

He's a very good player and he's gambling.

Me think you have to lynch Proletariat and Reei... Renik... Roiee.. whatever.

C'mon GH, don't tell me you wouldn't dare to take this risk.

That's the worst theory I've ever seen. It's known that GH's whole mafia is dead, and he just wants to ruin the game for us. (And he succeeded, yay!)

Proletariet wasn't even a suspect before GH revealed all. He's doing this because he didn't want my gang to win. And I knew after that we couldn't win - right now the choices are Reenk or Proletariat. Might as well hang them both and cheer for the town.


This inter-mafia warfare has been doing all our work. Can we safely assume that:

Tin Star Texas Rangers: CountArach, DoH, Drisos.

Is this correct?

Drisos was WoS'd - lack of activity. I suspect CountArach and Ironside as the two remaining tin stars - hang them after Reenk and Proletariat. Or before, perhaps.


Believe what you want about my loyalties, but it's the truth. After my death I was pretty disgusted with the game and didn't really look at it for a few days aside from the occasional post pointing everyone to that fake list of mine. By the time I got back into the game, my family was dead.

And to those who are claiming conspiracy by me, Rabbit, and Sasaki, there's one minor problem:

Exactly - what cause would the dead have to win? It's astonishing people are actually deliberating over this point. We're dead! The game is over for us! Why would we lie or mislead the town?


Ah well, let's hang Proletariat first and worry about it later.

Vote: Proletariat.

Edit: oh, Unvote: Orb

Finally, someone has the right idea. You can lynch Reenk next. I'd advise all you blithering townies to listen to Luigi's suggestions for future lynches in this game.

One last thing...
Where is CountArach's explaination? I am almost completely positive he is a Tin Star, yet noone seems to even think about him - letting the scum that murdered me get off free! Though I want this game to end, he would be as good of a target as Proletarit for lynching.

Crazed Rabbit

[Louis VI the Fat]

More thoughts:
Corleone - don: Pevergreen, luca: GH, made: MRD. Sign: Piano Wire. (No kill)
Tataglia - don: Kralizec, luca: ?, made: Beirut. Sign: note pinned to body.
Barzini - don: ? , made: ?. Sign: white glove.

'a' luca: HughTower
'a' made: Crazed Rabbit


Tin Star Texas Rangers: ?

Is this correct then?



------------------------------

Three questions, Crazed Rabbit:


Why is your list of tin star rangers incorrect?

Why won't you spell Proletariat correctly?

Did you really scream like a little girl when my boys whacked you?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Three questions, Crazed Rabbit:

Why is your list of tin star rangers incorrect?

What do you mean? That list is as correct as I could make it.


Why won't you spell Proletariat correctly?

I'm not a perfect speller, so sue me.



Did you really scream like a little girl when my boys whacked you?

Are you the don of the tin stars, then? As for your question; no - read the write up.

Crazed Rabbit

[Louis VI the Fat]

What do you mean? That list is as correct as I could make it.How did you make it then? Where did you get the names from?

See, we may have a difference, but our interests are similar: to weed out the last remaining mafia.

Why don't you spill us your clues about these tin star guys. They killed you, you want them dead badly. We, living townies, can finish them. Give us the tools and we'll finish the job!!

What do you know about them, how did you get to your list?

[Crazed Rabbit]

What did you mean by this, Luigi?

Did you really scream like a little girl when my boys whacked you?

Sound like you're a mafioso, working with the tin stars, the scum who murdered me.

Crazed Rabbit

[Louis VI the Fat]

What CR, one moment you are sure about you're four names, the next you haven't got a clue?


How can I be a mafioso if you were at first so sure that Prole is one don, and that the other is one of the four tin stars you were so sure about.


Look, if you're in doubt, we'll help you out. Simply give us what evidence, PMs and what not you've got about these tin stars.

Tell us where you got them from - where you in contact with them? Something else?

Surely you just didn't make them up?

We are all awfully confused and could really need some leads, some evidence here.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What CR, one moment you are sure about you're four names, the next you haven't got a clue?
I never said that, I stand by those names.

I have an extensive list of information on everybody in this game. Using that list, I eliminated all possibilities that wouldn't work - innocent townspeople, for example, and then the four names left were those of the tin star mafia.

Only two yet live: CountArach and Ironside. Kill them and all possible tin stars will be dead. But lynch Proletariat and Reenk first, they should die.


How can I be a mafioso if you were at first so sure that Prole is one don, and that the other is one of the four tin stars you were so sure about.

Then why did you post that question?

CR

[Redleg]

I never said that, I stand by those names.

I have an extensive list of information on everybody in this game. Using that list, I eliminated all possibilities that wouldn't work - innocent townspeople, for example, and then the four names left were those of the tin star mafia.


Lets see that information - just taking one's word after they are dead, and ratting out their gang seems just a little to convient for me.

[ByzantineKnight]

Sorry I havn't posted recently, Ive been lurking...

Vote: Proletariat (for obvious reasons)

btw, It seems Crazed Rabbit is throwing off random accusations...


Exactly - what cause would the dead have to win? It's astonishing people are actually deliberating over this point. We're dead! The game is over for us! Why would we lie or mislead the town?

Because the rest of your mafia is alive mabye...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Seamus took a few moments to make an announcement during their deliberations.

"It seems my chowderhead secretary misplaced one of my briefing sheets. This should come as no surprise to those of you who knew him, but Ultrawar was just a simple townie like the rest of us."

He left the room.

OOC

Current Tally as of 2100 EST 1/31/7

Proletariat = 5 (Alexander the Pretty Good, ByzantineKnight, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 4 (Ituralde, Kagemusha, Moros, Reenk Roink)

Kagemusha = 1 (Tom_Hagen)

Orb = 1 (Xiahou)

Not Voting = 10 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Ironside, JimBob, Papewaio, Pindar, Proletariat, Redleg [director])

36 Deceased.

[Cowhead418]

In the interest of having a tie vote between RR and Prole, I will Vote: Reenk Roink. I don't see how we have anything to lose with Prole's death. We have a great chance of catching a Don here, so we should take it.

Voting Tally:

Proletariat = 5 (Alexander the Pretty Good, ByzantineKnight, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 5 (Ituralde, Kagemusha, Moros, Reenk Roink, Cowhead418)

Kagemusha = 1 (Tom_Hagen)

Orb = 1 (Xiahou)

Not Voting = 9 (Big King Sanctaphrax, CountArach, Doc_bean, Ironside, JimBob, Papewaio, Pindar, Proletariat, Redleg [director])

[JimBob]

The nights results. Sorry I just got to them.

Omanes...Idiot = Guilty! Participated in a killing N4

Papewaio = Innocent


I think that Omanes, Moros, and possibly Reenk are among the Tin Stars.

Vote: Moros

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nah, Moros is innocent. In fact he's your fellow detective. Perhaps I should try and get him lynched, but he did me a good turn.

[Redleg]

The nights results. Sorry I just got to them.

Omanes...Idiot = Guilty! Participated in a killing N4

Papewaio = Innocent


I think that Omanes, Moros, and possibly Reenk are among the Tin Stars.

Vote: Moros

A good one for looking at a triple tie - once again begins thoughts of Vald the Impaler is to go for CountArach whom I suspect of being part of a new mafia crew. Now their is always Cowhead whom I have absolutely no knowledge of his role in this game.

SO basically I am running down my list of no contacts with list and the top of my list is

Proleriat
Reenk
CountArach
Cowhead
Xiahou

So I think lynch 2, 3, 4, or even 5 this round - would be a great thing. Lets focus on those who seemly avoid the thread and sending PMs to their fellow townies.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

We can lynch 5 people? :inquisitive:

[Redleg]

We can lynch 5 people? :inquisitive:

A tie is A tie I believe regardless of how many there are.

[Xiahou]

The nights results. Sorry I just got to them.

Omanes...Idiot = Guilty! Participated in a killing N4

Papewaio = Innocent


I think that Omanes, Moros, and possibly Reenk are among the Tin Stars.
Has any investigator taken a look at Redleg lately? He seemed like a fairly suspicious character when he was going round and round with Sasaki, now everyone seems to trust him that Sasaki came up dirty. In a multi-family game, one persons guilt doesn't make his accuser innocent. And just because someone is investigated with one result, doesn't mean their actions can't yield another result later.

Further, if I may point out the obvious, Texas Ranger badges? Redleg- Dallas, Texas? And now he's trying to get us to run up a tie so he can lynch 5 people in a round? Why would you want to kill that many people at once? Certainly a good way to reduce the potential number of unfavorable votes. :yes:

unvote: Orb (sorry man)
vote: Redleg

[JimBob]

Has any investigator taken a look at Redleg lately? He seemed like a fairly suspicious character when he was going round and round with Sasaki, now everyone seems to trust him that Sasaki came up dirty. In a multi-family game, one persons guilt doesn't make his accuser innocent. And just because someone is investigated with one result, doesn't mean their actions can't yield another result later.

Further, if I may point out the obvious, Texas Ranger badges? Redleg- Dallas, Texas? And now he's trying to get us to run up a tie so he can lynch 5 people in a round? Why would you want to kill that many people at once? Certainly a good way to reduce the potential number of unfavorable votes.

unvote: Orb (sorry man)
vote: Redleg
He came up innocent on my investigation. So he's either a) innocent or b) a Don who is using me and is playing a fight with Sasaki. That would mean that luigi is part of his family, and luigi came up innocent as well.

[Csargo]

I think Prole and Reenk are the way to go guys. Don't read too much into the crap some people post. If you over think things you're bound to get them wrong.

[CountArach]

OMG!... just some remaining detective, or ANYONE investigate me! I am innocent! I am a wise guy who is pro-town.

Vote: Proletariat, let's get this over with.

As to my method of protection... I had no idea about it. However, I am eternely greatful.

[Xiahou]

That would mean that luigi is part of his family, and luigi came up innocent as well.
How does that follow? I believe Luigi to be innocent.

[doc_bean]

vote: Reenk

[Redleg]

How does that follow? I believe Luigi to be innocent.

Actually it does follow. Here are two reasons. I am not stupid enough to give anyone a clue like a texas ranger tin star, given my profile states Dallas. So its an obvious attempt at mis-direction.

Two - I have activitly campaigned for a town victory.

However it seems you have made your first mis-step. Care to guess what it is?

[Xiahou]

Actually it does follow. Here are two reasons. I am not stupid enough to give anyone a clue like a texas ranger tin star, given my profile states Dallas. So its an obvious attempt at mis-direction.

Two - I have activitly campaigned for a town victory.

However it seems you have made your first mis-step. Care to guess what it is?
We've certainly seen the "I wouldn't be stupid enough to blah blah blah" argument in this game already- seen it in other games too. Mafia doing something that seems obvious is a valid tactic. They can claim it's either a frameup attempt or just say that it's so obvious that it couldnt be me- as you did.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We can lynch 5 people? :inquisitive:

Technically not. The committee votes for whomever they wish on a 1 vote per living member basis.

If there is a tie for most votes, between whatever number of people, the Director chooses who, if any, should die. The Director may have them all lynched, none of them lynched, or lynch whomever he/she wishes from among the tied votes.

Sasaki used this feature of the directorship to order the death of The Stranger while keeping himself alive.

The current director is Redleg.



Edit: The Current Tally 0900 EST 2/1/7:

Proletariat = 6 (Alexander the Pretty Good, ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, Orb)

Reenk Roink = 6 (Cowhead418, Doc_bean, Ituralde, Kagemusha, Moros, Reenk Roink)

Kagemusha = 1 (Tom_Hagen)

Moros = 1 (JimBob)

Redleg = 1 (Xiahou)

Not Voting = 6 (Big King Sanctaphrax, Ironside, Papewaio, Pindar, Proletariat, Redleg [director])

36 Deceased. 21 Still Breathing.

[ByzantineKnight]

And Redleg wants to kill!
:skull:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

JimBob, if it was not for Me, Moros and Redleg, you would be dead!

I am innocently guilty if that makes sence. I am a townee who has killed once:
My record:
Protection missions:
The Stranger with Caius Flaminius - Inconclusive
Moros with The Stranger and Warluster - Inconclusive
JimBob with Redleg and Moros - Success
Moros with Redleg and Kagemusha - Inconclusive

Kill missions:
AndresTheCunning with The Stranger, Warluster and Moros - Sucess

That is why I appear guilty. Reenk is not among our ranks - he is a suspected mafioso.

[Don Corleone]

Yet another twisted turn....

I started out participating with Luigi and Banquo. We protected Sasaki the first night, only because we knew he's a natural target and would get us to doctor more quickly (GH was my 2nd choice). Then Redleg joined, right around Banquo's suicide. Then Kagemusha entered, then drifted away. Then BKS came on board. Out of the blue, Omanes sent me a PM last night, asking me if I wanted to help kill Prole, Reenk and/or Xiahou. At first, I flirted with the idea, but now, I'm convinced Prole is innocent. Between GH and CR's slapstick fake 'fight', the lame reasons GH and Sasaki offered for her guilt, and the bandwagoning that's been going on.

So I used the offer as a test. I forwarded it to Luigi and Redleg, the only two true innocents, or so I thought. Imagine my surprise when Luigi answered I should go ahead and whack Reenk! I think I now know what's going on...

Either 1) Redleg is mafia and he convinced Luigi to join him and has been using me. Kagemusha figured this out and dropped out. Or 2) Luigi is mafia and has been using me all along.

And how did I figure it out? The final piece was Luigi telling me to go along with Omanes and attack Reen. All along, we've been a protection racket, and when several targets were exposed to Luigi, he got greedy and decided forget about lynching, let's start killing....

Damn, I'm all alone now.... ~:mecry:

To any real towines out there, be very, very careful. Redleg is in the mafia, possibly a don, or he's following orders from Luigi, who is. What's more, the faction they belong to (I suspect the Barzinis) have been very good at recruiting Wiseguys/Townies and I suspect they have abou 6 to 7 in their numbers.


Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: Luigi

[Moros]

Pindar = Guilty! He was involved in kill attempts every night of the game, including one on you! He's been working with the Barzinis.

unvote; Vote: Pindar

EDit: I said I'd get my revenge. And Now I'm sure I'll get it!

[Louis VI the Fat]

Huh?

I've send you a PM, Tom, with some information you might want to consider.

[Kagemusha]

unvote; Vote: Pindar

Moros.Why does in your quote read Posted by Seamus?If it was PM ,it should read posted by Seamus Fermanagh. It seems you are lying about your role.Unvote,Vote: Moros.

[Moros]

If red is mafia, he can only be a don as he turned out innocent. However it seems highly unlikly as he has ben arraging protection groups for the whole game. Tough I must admit that I've been mistaken once (sasaki) still it seems unlikely to me.

[Moros]

Moros.Why does in your quote read Posted by Seamus?If it was PM ,it should read posted by Seamus Fermanagh. It seems you are lying about your role.Unvote,Vote: Moros.
I copied the text (crtl+c) then posted it here and used the quote option. Can you quote pms anyway?

Edit: I can forward it if you want.
Edit2: protecting someone perhaps?

[Kagemusha]

I copied the text (crtl+c) then posted it here and used the quote option. Can you quote pms anyway?

Edit: I can forward it if you want.
Edit2: protecting someone perhaps?

And becouse of that his username changed? Btw you can. Just open up a pm by pushing the reply and copy and pate the text.

[Moros]

Well if you copy the text, you don't copy a name and quote texts, now do you?

[Crazed Rabbit]

What in the ....

How are people voting for anyone but Proletariat and Reenk?! GAH!

Geez, how many times do I have to say that they're guilty!! Lynch them already! After that lynch whoever you like until the game is over, I don't care.

I can't believe this, people! GH revealed the mafiosos, Sasaki confirmed it, and I gave up, so vote for them! The game is boring enough, don't prolong it with bickering!

And Kagemusha - what the heck are you doing, voting for our rouge detective?! Do you want the town to lose, and be ruled over by Proletariat and Reenk?!

CR

[Kagemusha]

What in the ....

How are people voting for anyone but Proletariat and Reenk?! GAH!

Geez, how many times do I have to say that they're guilty!! Lynch them already! After that lynch whoever you like until the game is over, I don't care.

I can't believe this, people! GH revealed the mafiosos, Sasaki confirmed it, and I gave up, so vote for them! The game is boring enough, don't prolong it with bickering!

And Kagemusha - what the heck are you doing, voting for our rouge detective?! Do you want the town to lose, and be ruled over by Proletariat and Reenk?!

CR

Rabbit.If i see a forgery i cant let it go by.No matter how you copy a pm to the thread.The username of the sender doesnt chance in the process. Moros result is not in the original form becouse the sender is Seamus, not Seamus Fermanagh.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Oh, who to kill first, Kagemusha or Pindar?


Unvote: Proletariat

Vote: Pindar.

[Don Corleone]

So, a 3rd member of the real Barzinis has surfaced. First, has anybody investegated Red except for Moros?

Didn't think so....

Okay, Moros, if you are innocent, I apologize, because you've been duped. But if you ARE innocent, you should at least know that 1) Red was late coming to the protection racket and 2) he started protecting people that had been offered up as potential tin-stars. If he really did come back as innocent to you, then he is the don, not luigi.

But I think you already know all this. I think you're trying to put the fire out after I opened the doors on Luigi and Redlegs little scheme. If I really believed you were innocent, then I've already explained how Redleg's investegation came up negative. But I don't, as you decided to wait until after I accused Luigi to share this information. You're protecting your don, Luigi.

My vote stands.

[Don Corleone]

What in the ....

How are people voting for anyone but Proletariat and Reenk?! GAH!

Geez, how many times do I have to say that they're guilty!! Lynch them already! After that lynch whoever you like until the game is over, I don't care.

I can't believe this, people! GH revealed the mafiosos, Sasaki confirmed it, and I gave up, so vote for them! The game is boring enough, don't prolong it with bickering!

And Kagemusha - what the heck are you doing, voting for our rouge detective?! Do you want the town to lose, and be ruled over by Proletariat and Reenk?!

CR

Shush, ghost. The dead have done enough misleading. Begone!:skull:

[Moros]

We can always try a triple tie...

@Kage: no forgery btw if you use the reply option it 'll do it something like this:

orginally posted by Seamus:
yak,yak,yak
It'll use only the first par. Anyway I didn't use the reply option, just copied the text from the pm adn added the quote tags myself. And also I think enough people have said I'm to be trusted. TS, Omanes, Sasaki (before and after death), BKS, Aggony,... And except for sasaki all were townies. I've also served in protection groups, so I can't be any of the white gloves, who did all their kills everynight. I couldn't be the tinstars either. As I was in a protection group, the night they did 2 attacks.

[Moros]

So, a 3rd member of the real Barzinis has surfaced. First, has anybody investegated Red except for Moros?

Didn't think so....

Okay, Moros, if you are innocent, I apologize, because you've been duped. But if you ARE innocent, you should at least know that 1) Red was late coming to the protection racket and 2) he started protecting people that had been offered up as potential tin-stars. If he really did come back as innocent to you, then he is the don, not luigi.

But I think you already know all this. I think you're trying to put the fire out after I opened the doors on Luigi and Redlegs little scheme. If I really believed you were innocent, then I've already explained how Redleg's investegation came up negative. But I don't, as you decided to wait until after I accused Luigi to share this information. You're protecting your don, Luigi.

My vote stands.
In fact I didn't. I haven't read the thread yet. I checked me pm's first. Redleg was innocent, ofcourse that could mean he is innocent but ofcourse also don. However I know that Pibndar is guilty. Anyway we'll see.

[Kagemusha]

We can always try a triple tie...

@Kage: no forgery btw if you use the reply option it 'll do it something like this:

It'll use only the first par. Anyway I didn't use the reply option, just copied the text from the pm adn added the quote tags myself. And also I think enough people have said I'm to be trusted. TS, Omanes, Sasaki (before and after death), BKS, Aggony,... And except for sasaki all were townies. I've also served in protection groups, so I can't be any of the white gloves, who did all their kills everynight. I couldn't be the tinstars either. As I was in a protection group, the night they did 2 attacks.

Then its just incredibly stupid to alter the pm´s you get.But i believe you now even less.If you are detective,what the hell are you doing in protection groups when you should be investigating people at night phases?

[Moros]

I've been doing both at the same time. I asked Seamus if I could do both and he said yes. So why not do both at the same time than?

[Kagemusha]

Oh and thats not in the rules on the main thread?Seamus,can you confirm thats possible? Meanwhile i urge people to vote Moros.If that rule exists that Moros claim.I will be first to chance my vote.

[Don Corleone]

I'm convinced Luigi and Redleg are pulling his strings, but a faked PM to frame somebody who's barely playing these days is just too much to overlook.

Okay Luigi & Red, you're going to get another round. Let's see how well you without one of your wiseguys....

What's more, the way they made sure it was Redleg that's Director... Redleg is the Don, not Luigi.

Unvote: Luigi
Vote: Moros

[Moros]

Sigh, sure. You get evidence for lynching a mafioso. Now lets not lynch the mafioso but the one who has helped lynching mafiosi the whole game and who's a detective. Well see it yourselves. I've been doing investigations and being in protecting groups. I didn't forge a pm. I just copied paste and than added the quote tags. But well lynch me and after two turns you'll see how you just got rid of an detective when you could get rid of mafiosi. Oh well I'm going off buying a toxedo for the prom. I'll see you guys this evening. Hopefully still alive.

[Ituralde]

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Pindar

Let's go for that 3-way tie! :2thumbsup:

[Don Corleone]

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Pindar

Let's go for that 3-way tie! :2thumbsup:

And Barzini #4 steps to the plate. Guys, unless you have enough votes to throw the election (and if you did, you would have come out and done it) all you're doing is exposing yourselves.

[Kagemusha]

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Pindar

Let's go for that 3-way tie! :2thumbsup:

Ituralde.How can you believe Moros,when his pm is not in original form and simultaneously he claims to be detective and working for protection groups,when the game rules doesnt allow that?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Moros never said anything to me about protection groups, but I can assure you he's the detective. I questioned his innocence and he sent me the pm to prove it.

[Proletariat]

This is just confusing. I suppose it makes sense that Moros, one of Sasaki's pals throughout the game (barring their now obviously faked dispute) would be in on it all.

Vote: Moros

You Barzinis are going down, one way or the other. (Moros, maybe you should've asked your Wolf not to vouch for you on this one)

[Reenk Roink]

:laugh4:

This game is amazing.

Everyone is "guilty"... :laugh4:

[Kagemusha]

Moros never said anything to me about protection groups, but I can assure you he's the detective. I questioned his innocence and he sent me the pm to prove it.

Well he is now and dont you agree that makes him claiming to be a detective pretty weird?Detectives investigate.They cant investigate while in protection groups.

[Don Corleone]

What's more, I know Moros's PM is a fake. Pindar, BKS and I got orders from Redleg and Luigi to protect Ironside last night. I know Pindar did, because Redleg has insisted we start copying each other on the PMs going in to Seamus. BKS can back me up on this one: Pindar is a townie.

And I haven't seen a PM return from Seamus (I can't investgate). Does he tell you what the party did every night? I thought investegations just said innocent, criminal, guilty, inconclusive.