Capo de Tutti Capi [Concluded]

[Motep]

Since Beirut is going to hang this round, and there are 3 prime suspects, the logical thing for pevergreen to do would be to investigate the other two. That is, The_Stranger and Motep. Give us the results, and we'll hang them both. By the 3rd day, when pevergreen is due to go, we'll have the autopsy for the first of the three. If that result is confirmed, he'll survive for one more day until the second autopsy is done. If either of those results contradicts his investigation, he hangs.

Also, list your results so far so we can have something to look at.

Why am I a suspect? Why are suggesting that I hang? Why are going after the Dentist!? Why me?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why am I a suspect? Why are suggesting that I hang? Why are going after the Dentist!? Why me?

~:confused:

[Pannonian]

Why am I a suspect? Why are suggesting that I hang? Why are going after the Dentist!? Why me?
Enlighten us. What does the Dentist do?

[pevergreen]

Maybe his occupation is a dentist?

[Sir Moody]

well i cant follow this its all too much for me - think ill stick to the less complicated mafias...

Vote:abstain

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-7 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Sir Moody)
The_Stranger- (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, , MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy)
Beirut-15 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach,Warluster)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-15 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)
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[Alexander the Pretty Good]

My apologies; I was unable to access the internet this past weekend, so I don't really know much about what is going on. Good job posting so much, guys.

Lynch: Abstain
Select: Abstain (though Redleg seems fine)

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-7 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Sir Moody)
The_Stranger- (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, , MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy)
Beirut-15 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach,Warluster)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-15 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes yes, just abstain your way through, mafioso :tongue3:

Sasaki :balloon2:


My apologies; I was unable to access the internet this past weekend, so I don't really know much about what is going on. Good job posting so much, guys.

Lynch: Abstain
Select: Abstain (though Redleg seems fine)

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-7 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Sir Moody)
The_Stranger- (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, , MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy)
Beirut-15 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach,Warluster)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-15 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-3 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg)

[JimBob]

Seeing as I have nothing else to go on...
Vote: Beruit
Select: Redleg

[ByzantineKnight]

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: The Stranger

I am not convinced that Beriut is guilty:
The way I see it is:
Kralizec might not be mafia, he was lynched because he was dutch...
If he is not mafia, he may have been discussing people he has investigated with another detective or some similar topic.

If Kralizec was mafia: He could have done a very clever frame-up, on one of the players to whom it was most likely to work (Beriut, when he was a director people were accusing him of being mafia).
OR
He could have been telling the truth e.g. Beriut was a mafia. Implying that we have almost wiped out one mafia family (:balloon2: :balloon2: )

OR

Moros could have been framing Beriut and he got his chance when Kralizec posted something that he wanted to erase.

ByzantineKnight

EDIT:

I'm voting The_Stranger because I do not believe that he is helping this town in any way.

[Motep]

Enlighten us. What does the Dentist do?

The dentist, (me) works on teeth. Thats all it means. It means: I am the towns Dentist. You should Know Sasaki! You havent missed an appointment!

[Papewaio]

Sorry at training all last week and the weekend was at the in laws and checking out the Lindt Cafe in Martin Place (such a harsh life)...then working Sunday.

Lynch: Abstain
Select: Redleg


That's assuming I haven't already been knocked off and haven't noticed it.

Pity there wasn't a poll with only the members of the game available to vote in it...

[Caius]

Remember use bold to vote!!

[Kommodus]

I did, ive only investigated two people.

I was in a protection group first night.

Hm... I keep trying to make this add up in my head. I can't. You've claimed that you've received two investigations results: for Pannonian and Redleg (both innocent). You say that you were in a protection group the first night. I'm assuming you can't both do an investigation and be in a protection group.

But pevergreen, there have only been two nights so far. :inquisitive:

Please explain, because your claim looks inconsistent - unless of course I'm missing something.

EDIT: Disregard the above; the rules have been clarified for me. Thanks, Motep.

For now,

Vote: Abstain
Select: Redleg

[Motep]

Hm... I keep trying to make this add up in my head. I can't. You've claimed that you've received two investigations results: for Pannonian and Redleg (both innocent). You say that you were in a protection group the first night. I'm assuming you can't both do an investigation and be in a protection group.

But pevergreen, there have only been two nights so far. :inquisitive:

Please explain, because your claim looks inconsistent - unless of course I'm missing something.

For now,

Vote: Abstain
Select: Redleg

A detective can investigate two people a night...

[Pindar]

Vote: Abstain

Select: Redleg.

[Kommodus]

A detective can investigate two people a night...

*checks rules*

Oops, missed that. Sorry, pevergreen. Disregard what I said earlier.

[pevergreen]

No Offence taken Kommodus. Is an easy mistake to make.

I still dont understand all the rules. And what about those special roles floating around? Who and what are they?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pity there wasn't a poll with only the members of the game available to vote in it...

I looked into it, but it requires a special hack for unvoting.


The dentist, (me) works on teeth. Thats all it means. It means: I am the towns Dentist. You should Know Sasaki! You havent missed an appointment!

And how does checking on teeth affect gameplay? In a werewolf game it might make sense, but mafia?

[The Stranger]

I say this. Pevergreen and another detective (Sasaki can provide one) can investigate me (since they can do 2 a night, they can also investigate someone else). They both post the results, if the results are the same, Pevergreen is innocent, if the results are not the same, he is guilty. The results will prove wether I'm guilty or not, this way with just one extra day you have full proof of what we are.

[The Stranger]

I looked into it, but it requires a special hack for unvoting.



And how does checking on teeth affect gameplay? In a werewolf game it might make sense, but mafia?

:idea2:

I know!!! A dentist is a bit like a doctor, right? A dentist also performs autopsies based on teethinfo. You've been targeted for a murder but you did not die, so you missed a meeting with the dentist.

:inquisitive:

Maybe he has a special role?

[ByzantineKnight]

I say this. Pevergreen and another detective (Sasaki can provide one) can investigate me (since they can do 2 a night, they can also investigate someone else). They both post the results, if the results are the same, Pevergreen is innocent, if the results are not the same, he is guilty. The results will prove wether I'm guilty or not, this way with just one extra day you have full proof of what we are.

I don't think anyone is accusing you of being mafia, they are trying to lynch you because you are not helping the town with your confusion-spreading.

[Ironside]

The townie PM has been posted earlier in the thread, it's not really a valid defence.

Masy, Seamus has asked us to keep posting votes in bold type as well as the list.

Yes, but this part is new:


Private Message: CDTC: Your Role
01-16-2007, 22:52
Seamus Fermanagh
Praefectus Fabricum
Senior Member


Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: The USA's historic triangle.
Posts: 2,247 CDTC: Your Role

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You'll get this if you copies a whole PM message. So to get this into the townie message you'll have to copy this part from another message. Not too difficult, but as I said, compare that with the rest of The_Stranger's defence.

[ByzantineKnight]

I don't think anyone is accusing you of being mafia, they are trying to lynch you because you are not helping the town with your confusion-spreading.


You'll get this if you copies a whole PM message. So to get this into the townie message you'll have to copy this part from another message. Not too difficult, but as I said, compare that with the rest of The_Stranger's defence.

Nevermind, sorry.

[Major Robert Dump]

I'd like to remind everyone that investigation results will vary based on what a person did that night vs previous nights.

[The Stranger]

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-11 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Sir Moody, Pindar,Kommodus, ATP, Pape)
The_Stranger -7 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, , MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy, Byzantine Knight)
Beirut-16 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach,Warluster, JimBob)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-19 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen, Pindar, Kommodus, Pape, JimBob)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-4 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg, ATP)

[ByzantineKnight]

BK in the list is me, unless you want to give me two votes... :beam:

[pevergreen]

So what are you voting?

[The Stranger]

Byzantine Knight: Which BK? You mean BKS? Thats Big King Sancthaprax...

I'm not voting Pevergreen, just updating the tally.

[ByzantineKnight]

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: The Stranger

I am not convinced that Beriut is guilty:
The way I see it is:
Kralizec might not be mafia, he was lynched because he was dutch...
If he is not mafia, he may have been discussing people he has investigated with another detective or some similar topic.

If Kralizec was mafia: He could have done a very clever frame-up, on one of the players to whom it was most likely to work (Beriut, when he was a director people were accusing him of being mafia).
OR
He could have been telling the truth e.g. Beriut was a mafia. Implying that we have almost wiped out one mafia family (:balloon2: :balloon2: )

OR

Moros could have been framing Beriut and he got his chance when Kralizec posted something that he wanted to erase.

ByzantineKnight

EDIT:

I'm voting The_Stranger because I do not believe that he is helping this town in any way.

This


Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-11 (BK, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Sir Moody, Pindar,Kommodus, ATP, Pape)
The_Stranger -7 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, , MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy, Byzantine Knight)
Beirut-16 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach,Warluster, JimBob)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-19 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, BK, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen, Pindar, Kommodus, Pape, JimBob)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-4 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg, ATP)

[pevergreen]

I was talking to BK. thats why i didnt say
@Stranger or something

:inquisitive:

:bow:

[The Stranger]

oh sorry... I did not say your abstain vote... Well since I cant edit my posts, maybe you can edit yours and correct it.

[pevergreen]

You cant edit your own posts?

Hurm.

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote Tally:
Lynch:
Motep-1 (Sasaki)
pevergreen-1 (DoH)
Abstain-10 (OmanesAlexandrapolites, Caius, HughTower, Redleg, Tom_Hagen, Sir Moody, Pindar,Kommodus, ATP, Pape)
The_Stranger -7 (Orb, Banquo's Ghost, MRD, pevergreen, BKS, Masy, Byzantine Knight)
Beirut-16 (Sasaki Kojiro, Luigi Vi di Fatlington, doc_bean, Moros, Cowhead418, Pannonian, AggonyDuck,The Stranger, Ituralde, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Motep, CountArach,Warluster, JimBob)


Director:
DoH-1 (DoH)
Redleg-19 (CountArach, The Stranger, pevergreen, Pannonian, ByzantineKnight, doc_bean, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Ituralde, Cowhead418, Drisos, Ironside, Masy, Motep, Tom_Hagen, Pindar, Kommodus, Pape, JimBob)
Banquo's Ghost-1 (OmanesAlexandrapolites)
Sasaki-1 (Caius)
Abstain-4 (Hughtower, Dutch_guy, Redleg, ATP)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

You cant edit your own posts?

Hurm.
I am lead to believe that if one earns warning points then they lose your edit button.


Maybe his occupation is a dentist?
Unfortunately, his real life role, of dentist, should he have one, is almost impossible. He's thirteen.

[Stig]

secret role[/hint] ~D

tho I think Seamus could have thought of a better name :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

Yeah, like hints to M2TW.
:bounce:

Your Role in CDTC is Halberd Militia. :laugh4:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Day Session Concludes. Voting finished (actually at 2am earlier). Write up to follow.

[The Stranger]

I wonder how Beirut will die... I think he'll go down kicking and screaming
Crying like a little baby girl,]

I always said I would be your death
My name on your lips, your last breath
Oh did I mention I would get you killed
My Beirut soup with you flesh shall be filled
It seems that the Son still outlives the Dad
I am good but you turned out to be bad
Therefor the town shall prepare the gallow
Your grave shall be no more than mere a shallow
I now will say goodbye, dear Dad
Still the greatest one, I ever had

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Floating down, through the clouds,
Memories come rushing up to meet me now.
And in the space between the heavens
And the corner of some foreign field,
I had a dream.
-- Roger Waters

Sunset, Day Three

Beirut gaveled the group to order quickly and began with a collection of votes for his successor. Counting the votes wasn’t quite a formality, but the decision was obvious. Redleg’s selection as Director for Days 4 and 5 met with broad approval – he even garnered a smattering of applause. Redleg tried not to appear too happy about having a squad of armed guards to follow him home this evening. Last night’s escapades had him a little spooked, but he was determined to carry out this task effectively.

“Now, a brief announcement before we collect the votes for our lynching effort,” said Beirut.

“Our choice will be executed through a simple exercise in applied gravity. Our newest member of the committee, AndrestheCunning, has agreed to fly a small plane…”

At the mention of that name all of the members of the committee starting commenting or expressing concern.

“…pardon me fellow townsmen,” said Beirut. “You need have no fear of Andres. Despite his name appearing on the note attached to Ichigo’s body, Andres was not even in Fatlington at the time. He arrived only this afternoon, flying his plane through the teeth of the Nor’easter. Chief Fermanagh confirms his arrival – his plane was the only one to land in days – and has further confirmed that despite appearances, Ichigo apparently committed suicide. Having not been here until now, Andres declined to vote today despite carrying bona fides to join our committee from Mayor TosaInu, but volunteered to fly our condemned up to 3500 feet and let Seamus’ lads push him out. THAT will be our means of execution. Let’s get voting.”

As each slip was read allowed and tallied, Beirut’s expression went from businesslike to concerned, from concerned to frightened, and from frightened to angry.

“You chosen me as your patsy, it seems. After all I have done to protect you these past two days, having never harmed one of you in any way! Have it your way then you ingrates! But, as my last act as director I decree that the condemned be given a last meal!"

His request was honored, though the entire committee was stunned to see him sit there and calmly consume an entire bag of Snickers bars, washing it down with a fifth of Jim Beam. The redolent belch with which he finished was practically a crime against humanity. Fortunately, he’d already been sentenced.

After Beirut had wolfed down his last meal, he was driven to the airport by the police where Andre quickly pre-flighted the bird and took up the team to make the drop. At 3500 feet over the town center, Beirut was pushed out into the mist. Whipped and strangley slowed by the viscious winds he fluttered almost as much as he fell, and with a final thud went….<<snap>>

…through the canvas awning atop one of the hotels. Slowed, he bounced off balconies on the side of the hotel and finally crashed through the awning at the front entrance. Bruised, shaken, and more than a little drunk, Beirut actually stood up and walked into the street! He even paused to make a sardonic bow in the direction of the Convention Center. Unfortunately, Big King Sanctaphrax was zipping down that street in a deuce-and-a-half, hauling a bevy of scantily clad working girls BKS had charmed into helping him through the evening’s damp and chill (Being one of Frontroom’s self-assessed “babe magnets”). Too busy watching his cargo, BKS never even saw Beirut as he clipped him with the bumper, tossing Beirut toward the side of the boulevard.

As impossibly lucky as his first fall had been, his second was it’s opposite. Beirut hit his head sharply, went unconscious, and kept rolling until he rolled into the half flooded storm drain and fell into the concrete drain shaft. Badly concussed and freezing, he never really felt the first rats bite him. Having scented his last meal, the rats had no trouble homing in, and by their standards, Beirut was a tasty treat.

Little else was discussed as the meeting broke up. Chief Fermanagh informed them that post-mortem investigation results for Ichigo, Kralizec, and Tribesman should be available in the morning, after which they went their separate ways.


OOC

Begin Night Three: PM’s please. PM’s must be posted no later than 1000 EST 1/23/7.

AndrestheCunning is added to the game.


Butcher’s Bill, to Date:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2), Beirut (D3)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1), Stig (N2)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2), Tribesman (D2)

WoGged: Nobody, and please keep it that way.


Vote Tallys:

Lynch Votes:

Beirut = 16 (AggonyDuck, CountArach, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Ironside, Ituralde, JimBob, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, Lord Motepof Kendermore, r Sasaki Kojiro, The Stranger, Warluster)

Abstain = 9 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Caius Flaminius, HughTower, Kommodus, OmanesAlexandrapolites, Papewaio, Pindar, Redleg, Sir Moody)

The_Stranger = 7 (Banquo's Ghost, Big King Sanctaphrax, ByzantineKnight, Major Robert Dump, Masy, Orb, pevergreen)

Pevergreen = 1 (Destroyer of Hope)

No Lynch = 1 (Tom_Hagen,)

No Vote = 17 (Beirut [director], Copperhaired Bezerker, Crazed Rabbit, Hepcat, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, MarcusBrutus, Peasant Phil, Proletariat, Reenk Roink, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Sir Boo, theRTWGuru, Ultrawar, Xdeathfire, Xiahou, Zalmoxis)

Director Selections:

Redleg = 20 (AggonyDuck, Banquo's Ghost, ByzantineKnight, CountArach, Cowhead418, doc_bean, Drisos, Ironside, Ituralde, JimBob, Kommodus, Luigi VI di Fatlington, Masy, Lord Motep of Kendermore, Pannonian, Papewaio, pevergreen, Pindar, The Stranger, Tom_Hagen)

Abstain = 5 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Dutch_guy, Hughtower, Major Robert Dump, Redleg)

Banquo's Ghost = 2 (OmanesAlexandrapolites, Orb)

Destroyer of Hope = 1 (Destroyer of Hope)

Sasaki Kojiro = 1 (Caius Flaminius)

No Vote = 22 (Beirut, Big King Sanctaphrax, Copperhaired Bezerker, Crazed Rabbit, Hepcat, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, MarcusBrutus, Moros, Peasant Phil, Proletariat, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Sir Boo, Sir Moody, theRTWGuru, Ultrawar, Warluster, Xdeathfire, Xiahou, Zalmoxis)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

haha, gruesome way to go.

Also, to prove his innocence, I suggest Andres the Cunning reveal who he sent the PM for.

[The Stranger]

Pfsh... falling down 3500 feet and not die... :O

[Redleg]

haha, gruesome way to go.

Also, to prove his innocence, I suggest Andres the Cunning reveal who he sent the PM for.

Yes indeed. It seems a likely candidate for much discussion during the next day phase

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pfsh... falling down 3500 feet and not die... :O

http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffallers.html

[Moros]

And there's the night again, sigh.

[Caius]

Is AndresTheCunning playing?

[Andres]

Also, to prove his innocence, I suggest Andres the Cunning reveal who he sent the PM for.

Why?

Aren't I innocent until the contrary has been proven?

By sending the PM's, I acted as a non participant in the game. I joined because Seamus asked me so kindly.

Heck, I don't even have my role description.

Why do you use my participation (as a complete n00b to maf(f)ia ( ~;) ) games if I might add) as a distraction?

[Caius]

Aren't I innocent until the contrary has been proven
You are guilty until the contrary has been proven...or not

[The Stranger]

@Sasaki

Thats crazy ****

[Moros]

50$ that he's a serial killer!

~;)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why?

Aren't I innocent until the contrary has been proven?

By sending the PM's, I acted as a non participant in the game. I joined because Seamus asked me so kindly.

Heck, I don't even have my role description.

Why do you use my participation (as a complete n00b to maf(f)ia ( ~;) ) games if I might add) as a distraction?

Guilty until proven innocent in mafia I'm afraid. Why are you hesitant to reveal the name of the mafioso who asked you to send the pm?

[Andres]

I deleted those pm's because I needed space in my PM box.

Look around and you'll notice the pm's were sent when I just started to recruit for the new PBM, the Gallic Confederation.

I pm'd alot in those days and had to delete what was not worth keeping. At the time, those pm's weren't important to me, since I was not participating in this game.

Why do I tell this?

Well, no matter what name I give you, that person will pop up and demand for evidence which I cannot provide.

Then I will be accused of lying, giving false information blahblahblah, being called "suspicious" and ultimately hanged in my first round ever as a participant in a mafia game..

EDIT: I wrote "Gallic Conspiracy" instead of "Confederation" *sigh*

[Pannonian]

Whatever else happens, I ask pevergreen to prove he's a detective by investigating The_Stranger and Motep. We'll first execute The_Stranger, then Motep, and by the 3rd day the autopsy for The_Stranger should be available and we can judge the authenticity of pevergreen's claim. If either autopsy does not match pevergreen's claimed results, pevergreen goes on the 3rd day.

Vote on whom pevergreen should investigate in the usual way.

The_Stranger, Motep -1 (Pannonian)

[Moros]

Investigations are not that meaningfull in this game as normally, don't forget. I don't care who he investigate, if he proves or at least gives us reason to believe him, I will.

For now I'm going to wait what happens before I vote again. I have no objections for those to be investigated however.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Andres: pm me the name then

[Redleg]

@Andres

Since you forwarded a follow up message asking for a vote for a certain dutchman you should easily be able to provide the name of the individual. If your not willing to post it for general knowledge then do as Sasaki[b] suggested and PM it to several different individuals. Not just [b]Sasaki but at to at least a total of three people. Or to make it simple just PM to all those on the alreadly posted list from your initial PM. So we all know who attempted to have other citizens attempt to murder us.

[Moros]

Yes pm some chaps, but enough folks. Don't say in public that you have. Pm it to people who you think are not mafia.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He doesn't have his role pm yet, so he's waiting to find out if he's mafia before revealing the name. Or perhaps he does have his role pm and is lying about not having it. If he doesn't give us the name: lynch him, if he does we verify it and if it's wrong then we lynch him.

[Moros]

hmmm... Wouldn't making him mafia be too obvious? He'd be one of the first to be investigated,...?

[Stig]

Yes pm some chaps, but enough folks. Don't say in public that you have. Pm it to people who you think are not mafia.
that's difficult if you're just new to the game ... why don't you help him by sending some names who you think who aren't mafia.
How does he know Sasaki won't go about pm'ing everyone?
etc etc

[Stig]

hmmm... Wouldn't making him mafia be too obvious? He'd be one of the first to be investigated,...?
If he isn't mafia he can easely give away the name of the mafia member that tried to pm him ... big change he gets a secret role

[Redleg]

He doesn't have his role pm yet, so he's waiting to find out if he's mafia before revealing the name. Or perhaps he does have his role pm and is lying about not having it. If he doesn't give us the name: lynch him, if he does we verify it and if it's wrong then we lynch him.

Yes indeed Andres is pretty much one of the front runners for a lynching if he doesn't come clean with who he sent the PM for. By reveling it to some of us for verification he will most likely save himself for at least 1 day.

But Andres also has tonight to worry about, I don't see him getting protection tonight unless he releases the information to the town. So he really is stuck with only one choice for now. Protection by mafia tonight will not save him from the lynching of tomorrow, Protection by a townie group provides time for him to have a detective verify his information. His obvious target appeal also will provide some townie's the ability to gain doctor status in taking on protection roles for him. All in all - his addition is a win-win for the town.

Tough call Andres one that your going to have to make.

[Andres]

As long as I don't have my role description, I cannot decide.

What would you do in my place: having valuable information but not knowing who's intrest you are supposed to serve: the scum or the townies?

[The Stranger]

@Stig: You're Dead, Get Lost. :P But you're probably right. I guess he get's a special role, and to make it even better, I think it's a role in which he can decide who's side he joins.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

For some reason The Stranger I believe that you are innocent - convinced because of the PM that you have recently sent me. I'll consider it.

[doc_bean]

As long as I don't have my role description, I cannot decide.

What would you do in my place: having valuable information but not knowing who's intrest you are supposed to serve: the scum or the townies?

Well, you're screwed either way. If you don't give the town something there's a good chance you'll get lynched. If you work for the mafia and lie and the town finds out, then you'll certainly get lynched.

But there's little chance yo'ull be working for the one you sent the PM for, so just give us the name :afro:

[Stig]

@Stig: You're Dead, Get Lost. :P

1. The dead may post, but not vote.
I'll stay just to stalk you, ok? ~D

[Sasaki Kojiro]

As long as I don't have my role description, I cannot decide.

What would you do in my place: having valuable information but not knowing who's intrest you are supposed to serve: the scum or the townies?

Unfortunately I believe we have no choice but to lynch you. If you turned up mafia it's possible that the mafia family you work for is a family other than the one that pm'd you, and so your selling them out would be no guarantee of your innocence.

Detective investigation is the only way I'd trust you.

[The Stranger]

I'll stay just to stalk you, ok? ~D

I'm honoured :bow:

[Pannonian]

Unfortunately I believe we have no choice but to lynch you. If you turned up mafia it's possible that the mafia family you work for is a family other than the one that pm'd you, and so your selling them out would be no guarantee of your innocence.

Detective investigation is the only way I'd trust you.
If Andres is going to die, we might as well leave him for the meanwhile and lynch him a few rounds later. Give him a few rounds as a first time player, since we're not likely to forget the PM episode. I'd much rather pursue The_Stranger and co now.

[The Stranger]

I'm also a new Member... This is my first mafia game... I did nothing wrong and I'm helping... why do you want me dead so much... Go find someone else...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hey everyone - I just got back yesterday night from a mini-vacation.

7 pages written in my absence - wow! It seems Beirut got the lynch after a mis-step by Krazelic, who turned out to be a good lynch choice, it would seem.

And kudos to the townies who saved our director. Now we're back to the night phase, if I understand correctly, so no voting yet?

Crazed Rabbit

[doc_bean]

I'm also a new Member... This is my first mafia game... I did nothing wrong and I'm helping... why do you want me dead so much... Go find someone else...

You've been cut some slack. If people pulled stunts like you did in most 'regular' mafia games they'd be lynched on the spot.

[Csargo]

I'm also a new Member... This is my first mafia game... I did nothing wrong and I'm helping... why do you want me dead so much... Go find someone else...

Like doc_bean said if you pulled the kind of stuff you have this game you probably would have been lynched right off. But since your new they probably let you off along with the damning stuff against Beirut. If I were still alive I would have voted for you. There have been people lynched for far less than what you've done.

[Moros]

Yeah, you can be sure of that!

[Redleg]

If Andres is going to die, we might as well leave him for the meanwhile and lynch him a few rounds later. Give him a few rounds as a first time player, since we're not likely to forget the PM episode. I'd much rather pursue The_Stranger and co now.

I am inclined to agree. Andres should be kept alive this night with a promise to inform the town who he was sending the PM's for if he survives the night. If he fails to provide that information as soon as the night phase is done, for the sake of timing, 4 hours after the Night Phase write-up is posted. If he doesn't provide the information we can always vote to lynch him that day or the next, all depending if his information warrants a detective to investigate or not.

But that is just my idea.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

If anyone wants one of my working girls, feel free to PM me.

[Csargo]

Weird BKS

[Major Robert Dump]

What do the working girls do? Clean? Mow the lawn? I'll take one, a fat one please, so she can pull my plow.

[Louis VI the Fat]

@Stig: You're Dead, Get Lost. :PYou seem to be revelling a bit much in the dead of an innocent, clean wise guy. Why is that?

You do realise that you're only alive because everybody knows you're town - and that includes the mafia?

Oh, and you better make sure your buddie, err, this new wise guy, err AndresTheCunning joins the town...

Also, it's all fine and dandy that you've aligned yourself with a nice protection group, but even if you escape the lynch vote, which you probably will, your group will face a tough dilemma every night: protect you again or protect Andres from now on.

Unless of course we start getting some clear signals that both you and Andres are working for the town, without any designs of your own.



I deleted those pm's because I needed space in my PM box.

Look around and you'll notice the pm's were sent when I just started to recruit for the new PBM, the Gallic Confederation.

I pm'd alot in those days and had to delete what was not worth keeping. At the time, those pm's weren't important to me, since I was not participating in this game.

Why do I tell this?Why do you tell this? Because you think we would fall for this sort of nonsense perhaps?
Come on Andres. Of course you remember whom you send the PM's for. Besides, everybody knows that it was The Stranger and his group anyway.
Also, you have been PM-ed your role ages ago. Hours before you said here you didn't have your role description yet.

Now I understand your need to not give away too much. I hope in turn you understand that this town is going to rid itself of mafia scum - and if you're not with us, you're against us...

[CountArach]

Andres, you really have no choice but to give us a name. That is all we are asking for. If we lynch that person and they are guilty, we can start to trust you. As it is, whoever you sent it for is likely to want you dead so that you can not hold them Blackmail.

[ByzantineKnight]

EDIT: @luigi VI di Fatlington

Only the Sith deal in absolutes
Obi-wan Kenobi

You seem to know alot about the PM...

[pevergreen]

If anyone wants one of my working girls, feel free to PM me.

Hook me up with one!

[ByzantineKnight]

Unfortunately I believe we have no choice but to lynch you. If you turned up mafia it's possible that the mafia family you work for is a family other than the one that pm'd you, and so your selling them out would be no guarantee of your innocence.

Detective investigation is the only way I'd trust you.

Why lynch him? He is probably innocent (mafia roles already assigned). It is most likely he has a special role... And he might reveal who sent the PM if he gets a pro-townie role...

I say keep him alive.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why lynch him? He is probably innocent (mafia roles already assigned). It is most likely he has a special role... And he might reveal who sent the PM if he gets a pro-townie role...

I say keep him alive.

GH-mafia
beirut-mafia
kralizec-mafia

I'm thinking Seamus added him as a mafioso to help the mafia out. Maybe he added him to your family and that's why you want him alive?

[Caius]

If anyone wants one of my working girls, feel free to PM me.
:inquisitive:

[ByzantineKnight]

GH-mafia
beirut-mafia
kralizec-mafia

I'm thinking Seamus added him as a mafioso to help the mafia out. Maybe he added him to your family and that's why you want him alive?

Seamus would'nt add him to one family, it would be unfair to the others, mabye if there was three.

If he was added to my family I would know about it.

I think this is wrong

beirut-mafia
kralizec-mafia

Kralizec might be mafia, but beirut is probably not. I think it was a frame up.

EDIT: By family I mean if i was part of a mafia family (as opposed to a townie family)

[CountArach]

lol


EDIT: By family I mean if i was part of a mafia family (as opposed to a townie family)

Nice save...

Or was it?

*Checks BK's name on "The List"*

[ByzantineKnight]

First off, im not a known player (i dont play mafia often), so I am a safe choice for "The List"

Second you can ask Murfios or pevergreen or Caius Flaminius or other people, Im a townie, I am part of protection groups.

EDIT: if you want to go after mafia, in the day either me, Redleg, or Caius Flaminius will tell you who is responable for the PM that Andres passed on, I can't do it now, i might get attacked by mafia.

[Csargo]

GH-mafia
beirut-mafia
kralizec-mafia

I'm thinking Seamus added him as a mafioso to help the mafia out. Maybe he added him to your family and that's why you want him alive?

If Andres doesn't reveal who he sent the mafia PM's for then he should be lynched.

[ByzantineKnight]

If Andres doesn't reveal who he sent the mafia PM's for then he should be lynched.

I told you, he doesn't need to, I know who it is. But I cannot reveal because *insert person's name*'s Mafia family will kill me because I am not protected.

ByzantineKnight

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I told you, he doesn't need to, I know who it is. But I cannot reveal because *insert person's name*'s Mafia family will kill me because I am not protected.

ByzantineKnight

I don't buy this. *insert person's name's* mafia family knows they pm'd andres and since you've said this then they know you know who they are and they would kill you anyway. Assuming they would kill you in the first place, which doesn't make sense in the first place since you can post after death and if you are alive you can still come under suspicion.

[ByzantineKnight]

I don't buy this. *insert person's name's* mafia family knows they pm'd andres and since you've said this then they know you know who they are and they would kill you anyway. Assuming they would kill you in the first place, which doesn't make sense in the first place since you can post after death and if you are alive you can still come under suspicion.

I didn't ask Andres. There is only one person it could be.

EDIT: And besides, Andres wouldn't tell a Mafia Family he ratted on them, would he?
That would be suicide

[The Stranger]

I'm at a loss...

When will the night phase close... It's day already...

[pevergreen]

So who am I investigating?

[ByzantineKnight]

So who am I investigating?

I think we said The_Stranger and AndresTheCunning, though they might want you to investigage me...

[Andres]

Why does nobody asks any questions about Sasakis continuous spree of accusations?

He's always there when he sees an opportunity to accuse someone, yet his role stays unrevealed.

His venom is poisoning this town.

Shouldn't he be the one to be investigated?

Even if I would be mafia, I am pretty harmless at the moment, since I just joined and nobody trusts me or wants to help me out. Sasaki had plenty of time to put up a conspiracy. The attack on him says nothing. If I understand the rules correctly, there are 3 families out there. Alot of mafia. Sasaki could have organized the "murder attempt" on him. If he's a Don, it should be easy for him to get protection.

C'mon guys, we're talking about an experienced master brain. One investigation on him. Results + the role description of the detective who claims to have done the investigation. Don't be fooled by this tricksy snake.

He wants you guys to do his job: killing me. He's pretty sure I'll have protection this night, because alot of players are curious and want my information. He probably already knows what I know, but wants me to talk in public, so a rival gang will kill me.

The guys is smart, you're underestimating him.

Investigate Sasaki. If you want me to be number 2 to be investigated then that's fine.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*words*



The best defense is a good offense, eh?

[Andres]

The best defense is a good offense, eh?

You were quick to answer. Afraid of an investigation?

It's true what I said: at the moment, no matter what my role or what information I have: I can't do anything, no one trusts me, alone I am not dangerous.

Your accusation spree is at the least suspicious. You also have the reputation to be good at this sort of games.

Investigate Sasaki. We owe it to his excellent reputation. It would be insulting to the player Sasaki to not have investigated him at least once in this game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I always accuse a lot of people. This is how the mafia are found out, from their posts in the thread for example. I'm pretty sure you are mafia at this point.

I don't mind being confirmed innocent.

[Pannonian]

So who am I investigating?
The_Stranger and Motep. We'll move on to Andres and co later.

[Pannonian]

You were quick to answer. Afraid of an investigation?

It's true what I said: at the moment, no matter what my role or what information I have: I can't do anything, no one trusts me, alone I am not dangerous.

Your accusation spree is at the least suspicious. You also have the reputation to be good at this sort of games.

Investigate Sasaki. We owe it to his excellent reputation. It would be insulting to the player Sasaki to not have investigated him at least once in this game.
A very familiar type of answer. I'm inclined to hang both you and BK together. However, I think you should be given at least a couple of rounds as a n00b to see what else you do, after which you can swing.

[Pannonian]

I told you, he doesn't need to, I know who it is. But I cannot reveal because *insert person's name*'s Mafia family will kill me because I am not protected.

ByzantineKnight
It shouldn't matter if you get murdered, as long as you reveal information that is helpful to the town. It's pretty much common knowledge that I'm a townie, and in past games a favourite target for the Mafia. Yet it is in my interest to pursue the Mafia how ever I can, since I share in a townie victory, whether or not I survive the game.

So spill.

[Andres]

Come on Andres. Of course you remember whom you send the PM's for. Besides, everybody knows that it was The Stranger and his group anyway.

I never said I didn't remember who sent me the PM's, I only said it wouldn't help by revealing his/her identity because he/she would immediately pop up and demand for proof. Proof I don't have anymore as I explained well enough before.

Besides, if "everybody" knows it's already, why don you want me to expose myself to danger? Or maybe you will create a bandwagon by saying I'm a liar and have me lynch.

You cannot know my role yet, statistically chances are bigger that I am at the town's side then the other way around. Lynch me, and you have more chance to have lynched a townie then a mobster. Does this serve your intrests luigi? Why do you want me death? So the town does your job?


Now I understand your need to not give away too much. I hope in turn you understand that this town is going to rid itself of mafia scum - and if you're not with us, you're against us...

Define "us"

Now people just reflect on this: chances are bigger that I'm townie then mafia. As i explained to you before, even if I would be mafia, I'm harmless at the moment.

You have an unknown factor in the game: Andres.

If you are townie, it's not a good move to kill me, because statistically the chance is bigger that I'm on you side then the other way around.

If you're mafia, you're part of 1 family. So there's a very big chance I'm not on your side: I can be townie or member from a rival gang. Thus you should get rid of me.

Those who started screaming for my death at the very moment my participation was made public, are to be considered suspicious.

In the current state of the game, I am not dangerous but more importantly, I'm an unknown factor. Right now, it would be a smart move for the mafia to have me death. They want you, the town, to do their dirty job.

Sasaki and Redleg were immediately there to scream for my skin, backed-up a bit later by Louis, allthough I was an unknown factor at that time. Make your calculations and you'll notice that the death of an unknown factor is most likely to be in the intrest of the mafia.

Reflect on this fellow townies. Use your brains.

[Pannonian]

Let me counter by reminding the town that Andres is not an unknown factor. We know that he sent those PMS, and therefore whom he sent them for. He is also refusing to tell us whom he sent them for. Even without taking anything else into consideration, that makes him an unhelpful townie at best, pro-Mafia at worst. Either way, he should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Gentlemen, I have definitive proof that the Stranger is innocent - he has sent me several PMs which appear to place him in the clear. Please do not lynch him tomorrow.

[pevergreen]

Ok, im investigating The Stranger. Who else? Sasaki, Andres or Motep? or BK?

[Pannonian]

Ok, im investigating The Stranger. Who else? Sasaki, Andres or Motep? or BK?
Motep.

[Pannonian]

Gentlemen, I have definitive proof that the Stranger is innocent. Do not lynch him tomorrow.
Peer review please. Otherwise The_Stranger remains what we assume him to be, either a pro-Mafia or an unhelpful and counterproductive townie.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

He has told me not to tell anybody about this. All I can confirm is that he is a towniee and is working in the towns favour, or at least is now, please guys, trust me on that.

[ByzantineKnight]

It shouldn't matter if you get murdered, as long as you reveal information that is helpful to the town. It's pretty much common knowledge that I'm a townie, and in past games a favourite target for the Mafia. Yet it is in my interest to pursue the Mafia how ever I can, since I share in a townie victory, whether or not I survive the game.

So spill.

Ok, luigi VI di Fatlington!

He was the one who started the original investigation, supplied all the evidence for the lynch of Kralizac (e.g. Dutch or Flemish, writing style analysis), he also said just recently that Andres should reveal who sent the PM and said "come on, we know it was The_Stranger and his bunch".

I find this evidence suspicious and worthy of investigation.

ByzantineKnight

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Guys, if he is investigated he may not be innocent. He may have killed - his PMs indicate that to me. This conversation may be the most important:

To kill?

to do whatever is neccesary to secure a Town victory... but mainly and at first to protect important figures...
From a recent PM.

I am quite sure that he is working for a towniee victory. Please keep him alive!

[Moros]

Ts is working for town, that's what I believe and what he tells me. I must however admiot that his actions weren't always that toughtfull or even helpfull.

[Pannonian]

Pevergreen, post your results as soon as you get them, in case you are killed by the Mafia tonight.

[pevergreen]

I will.

Dont worry about that.

[Redleg]

Pevergreen, post your results as soon as you get them, in case you are killed by the Mafia tonight.

THis brings up an interesting question concerning the rules.

If the detective is killed while conducting an investigation - is the results of the investigation given to the detective or is it posted as part of the night phase write-up?

[Motep]

Go ahead and investigate me....youll only find that I am innocent. As I had said I am falingtons dentist (Im a townie okay!) There you have it. Trust me or not, its the truth.

[Louis VI the Fat]

....you'll only find that I am innocent. As I had said I am falingtons dentist.And I'm Fatlingtons gynaecologist. I'm currently investigating all your wives.

I'll post the results to prove my innocence...

[Andres]

Combine this:


If anyone wants one of my working girls, feel free to PM me.

with this


And I'm Fatlingtons gynaecologist. I'm currently investigating all your wives.

Hmmm...

:inquisitive:

[pevergreen]

BKS is innocent. i think.

I said Hook me up in response to that, so?

[The Stranger]

Guys, if he is investigated he may not be innocent. He may have killed.

He is working for a towniee victory. Keep him alive!


From a recent PM.

i havent killed yet...

[The Stranger]

Combine this:



with this



Hmmm...

:inquisitive:


Luigi was being Sarcastic... So I believe... he was responding to Motep's I'm A dentist.

[Caius]

I think pevergreen will die.

[ByzantineKnight]

Sry

[Caius]

Who is mafia?~D

[The Stranger]

yup... please edit yur post BK...

[Stig]

and caius was quick enough to quote it :laugh4:

[ByzantineKnight]

Caius!! Edit!!

Sorry guys :shame:

[The Stranger]

and you 2 Caius

[Caius]

Done.

[Stig]

lol, this makes it even more suspicious :laugh4:

[Andres]

Did anybody see what this was all about?

[Caius]

lol, this makes it even more suspicious :laugh4:
Who?

[The Stranger]

:no:

[Caius]

Nothing Andres, nothing

[Seamus Fermanagh]

THis brings up an interesting question concerning the rules.

If the detective is killed while conducting an investigation - is the results of the investigation given to the detective or is it posted as part of the night phase write-up?

Investigation Results are provided at the END of the phase in question. If the player does not survive to get those results, they will not be given to them.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Night 3 Concluded, summary to follow. The next session will be slightly extended, but we will then return -- and try to stick to -- a 24 hour cycle. I think you all have the hang of this now.

[Stig]

Did anybody see what this was all about?
no, I'm death

[The Stranger]

Are you death or dead? Because... How can you kill death?

[ByzantineKnight]

lol, this makes it even more suspicious :laugh4:

What??

[Stig]

Are you death or dead? Because... How can you kill death?
nehnehneh
dead, death all the same

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Night Three Summary

theRTWGuru was walking home after a tasty dinner at the local White Castle. It had been a rough day and the weather – though drier – continue gray and dreary. However, 37 mini-burgers had definitely perked up his mood – even if the coffee had been lousy. As he stepped into the street in front of his apartment building, an old-fashioned Ford V6 zipped in front of him, with the driver’s window rolled down and a Tommy Gun pointing his way! He moved as the driver opened fire, hoping to get behind the cover of another parked car. He needn’t have worried, the long burst fired by the driver/gunmen was more of a religious shooting experience – spray and pray – than well-aimed fire. The first burst missed, the car was past, and Guru had cover and a couple of places to run. The car did not come back for a second pass.


Major Robert Dump was on edge – the murders of the previous evenings had made him wary – so he was ready when “it” happened. His attacker stood in front of him, masked and wearing a trenchcoat. The alley from whence his attacker had come held a few more shadows of some vague shape, but no other threat came forward.

“Your money or your life!” grumbled his assailant.

“You’re going to mug me,” MRD said, almost chuckling.

“I said your money or…”

He didn’t finish because MRD kicked him in the knee and then went for the knife. They struggled, neither one really dominating the other, when quickly turning a corner was one of Fermanagh’s policemen, out walking his beat in the freezing air.

“What’s all this then?” shouted the cop as he ran up, revolver pointing at the two struggling men. “You there, drop the knife or I’ll shoot.”

MRD’s assailant complied.

“Thanks officer,” said Major Robert. “I never thought I’d be this happy to see the cops.”

“Don’t worry about it,” said the cop, raising the revolver quickly to face level and putting a bullet right between MRD’s eyes. “Don’t trouble yourself about anything.”

The “cop” tossed the pistol into the nearest storm drain, stripped the white glove off of his shooting hand and dropped it on MRD’s corpse. The uniform was dumped in the trash nearby as both men faded into the alley and made one with the night.


AggonyDuck wasn’t nearly so lucky. He got home safely enough, but when he hung up his Navy pea-coat a chloroformed rag came out of the closet and square onto his surprised inhale. He awoke tied spread eagle to his own fireplace mantle and hearth, a sock taped firmly in his mouth, barely allowing him to breathe.

His attacker faced him – dressed normally, his identity obvious – slowly flexing a triple strand of 1/8-inch steel cable. It had been braided along most of its length, but the last 8-10 inches were loose strands with frayed ends. <swish – thud> Ducky screamed into the gag. As the flogging continued, each slash from the whip would land with incredible power, bruising or breaking bones if the braided portion hit, tearing flesh if the frayed ends hit first. Ducky was a tough character and lasted 20 minutes or so. He lasted through the cracked and shattered ribs, the broken collar and cheekbones; he endured and even managed to stay conscious when the right eye was torn out and left to dangle by its optic nerve and blood vessels. A final slash with the whip crushed his larynx and he, finally, mercifully, choked to death on his own blood.

At dawn that next morning, pevergreen swung open his front door – it moved heavily – and discovered AggonyDuck’s body attached to the door, the braided wire whip under his arms to suspend him from the knocker. He retched uncontrollably, then staggered inside to call the cops. They took Ducky down, finding the following note shoved into the pocket of his pants:

Virtue is unrewarded, death awaits the fair,
Your unneeded kindnesses pollute this rotting air.
Blessed are the avaricious, for they shall inherit Fatlington.


]Moros[/B] wasn’t sleeping well. He kept having weird dreams about being forced to sleepwalk and of his mom forcing him to eat oatmeal….As first rays of sunlight fell onto his bed, Moros yawned and got dressed, pleased with the ray of sunlight.
Almost immediately he became aware of a strong odor in the air - he couldn't quite place it, but it reminded him of cereal, or oatmeal of some sort. He wondered what the smell could mean. The memory of the recent killings came to him, and he became very nervous, wondering if the smell was indication of some sort of poison. He opened his bedroom door and was stunned to find the smell stronger in his house. He retreated into his bedroom, very worried now. Still, he couldn't detect any symptoms of deadly gas.

Then the phone rang. He swung his head towards it, suddenly extremely suspicious of the phone. It rang two more times before he answered it.

“Good morning, Moros,” a voice said.

“Who is this?” asked Moros.

“It seems you have a slight problem with the quality of your air this morning”

“Who are you, and what have you done?”

“Relax, please. What you smell is a harmless, natural food product - grain. Nothing to worry about - inhaling it shouldn't be dangerous.”

Moros did relax, slightly, though his voice did not lose its edge, “What are you doing, and what is the meaning of this?”

“Of course,” the voice continued, “In the right grain-to-air mixture, it is highly explosive."

Moros’ mind flashed back twenty years to when he was a 17-year old Marine fighting Sandino’s guerillas. The image of a grain silo suddenly exploding and killing half a platoon vivid after all these years….the adrenaline shot through him.

Why don't you look out your window?” said the voice.

Moros glanced out the window in time to see a flaming projectile arcing through the air…

It lanced through the window of a town home two blocks away, just visible up the street from the window where he stood. Breaking through the window there was a gust of flame, followed by a powerful explosion that gutted the townhome as well as the neighboring homes to either side. It even cracked the window where Moros was standing.

Stunned and worried, Moros glanced at the phone – only a dial tone now – left his room….<wait a second, he thought, then spoke out loud>

“This isn’t my house, it’s just the same floorplan…”

Moros’ house had, indeed, been blown to fragments, he just wasn’t in it at the time. He went down stares warily, his quick search finding the townhome where he was to be empty. Same floorplan, minimal furniture, but essentially empty. On the small table in the kitchen, he found a steaming bowl of oatmeal – the source of the grainy smell in this townhome – with a politle typed note next to it, reading:

Eat hearty, oatmeal is good for your health.

A white glove was found on the doorstep of Moros’ rubbled home.


An hour or so later, a stunned committee took in Seamus’ report of the nights events. Chief Fermanagh looked tired, but not entirely unhappy.

“Alright, me lads…pardon, my officers have been working hard to follow up on our deceased and determine what we could. I have happy news to report. You got one! Kralizec looked squeaky clean on the surface, but rummaging through his accounts and effects we realize that he was another Al Capone – you lynched the Don, the leader, of one of these despicable gangs. Hizzoner may really have come up with a way for Fatlington to live, and you’ve all done your part. Well done folks, well done…”

A short pause.

“Stig too was a criminal. We’d had indications before this, but nothing conclusive. There was, however, nothing to connect him to one of the predatory gangs, so our current theory is that he wouldn’t play ball so he was taken for a ride – well, in his case a bad dinner.”

"Our other losses were, according to all we can find out, both innocent townsmen who committed suicide under the stress of things. Ichigo was distraught for some time, facing turmoil at home, and this appears to have driven him to flights of fancy. He claimed to have attempted a murder, failed at it, and apparently…er…lost his way. Tribesman had enemies – anyone who chatted politics with him would confirm that. They would tell you he knew all the tricks: puns, metaphor, dramatic irony even….sarcasm. Despite which he calmly and deliberately drank himself to death."

"I hope you can continue your previous success today and continue to root out these scum. Good luck.”

OOC

Day 4 voting begins (Lynch only), directed by Redleg. Voting deadline: 1400 hrs EST 1/24/7 -- we'll cycle at 1400 thereafter if at all possible.


Butcher’s Bill, to Date:

Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1), Redleg (N2), Moros (N3), theRTWGuru (N3)

Lynched: Kralizec (D2), Beirut (D3)

Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1), Stig (N2), AggonyDuck (N3), Major Robert Dump (N3)

Suicided: Ichigo, (D2), Tribesman (D2)

WoGged: Nobody, and please keep it that way.

[Moros]

I guess I was saved, thanks to those who did it. To bad to hear that the mafia did 2 succesfull kills tough.

[The Stranger]

Not neccesarily mafia though... maybe pro-townies killed a mafia member...

Pevergreen show the results! Luca's can also investigate right. How will you prove you are a detective and no Luca.

How will you explain the fact that you knew (very surely) that Kralizec was a Don. You knew that before the data was revealed and also shortly after he was lynched.

[Redleg]

Interesting developments having been reported by the cheif, more foul deeds committed during the night and some answers to be given and questions to be solved before the vote is to be concluded.

Why was AggonyDuck and Major Robert Dump targeted for murder? Was it from a citizen's vigilanty (SP) deciding that they acted suspected and need to be removed before they could do damage to the town? Or where they townies on the trail of a possible mafia member and got to close?

Where were theRTWGuru and Moros able to avoid the cold hand of death. Guru's attempted murder seems to be one of an individual who could not coordinate even event as a machine gunning of a victim. Moros's seems to be a lesson to be taught.

Questions?

Moros what activities have you been up to that might want someone to see your demise?

Guru same question.

Andres owes the town some answers to questions posed, primarily who was the individual that he sent the messages for? Avoiding answering before the upcoming vote, could result in your lynching for lack of a better option.

Pevergreen owes the town a report on his investigation, so that the town my determine his crediblity.

The Stranger has some explaining to do in regards to the accusations posed in this message.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1397779&postcount=829

Vague answers will not do. One should not take such glee in the death of another, what do you know about Beirut that the rest of us will know tomorrow. Lack of action could lead to your following the steps of your "father".

Then there is the exchange between luigi VI di Fatlington. Pannonian and ByzantineKnight that needs to be examined.


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1398310&postcount=860


Well let the meeting begin.

[Moros]

From the ones being attacked or killed the only one people had heard some rumours about of being mafia was MRD. He was killed by two, so this might have been one. But still I doubt it because of the white glove thing.

It would also surprise me if I or Aggony were killed by townies, noone ever suspected us. Oh wait I've been named as one of the dutchguys but I think I've proven to be quite pro town.

I can't think of a reason why Aggony or theRTWguru were to be killed by townies. Both of them weren't suspected of anything. I even believe that guru wasn't an active player.

[The Stranger]

I know nothing of Beirut. Though I suspected him to be mafia before Kralizec made his mistake. Also I know not who sent the PM to Andres, I asked him to tell me but he said he'd keep his mouth shut.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

My dearest fellows, The Stranger is an innocent towns person working with one other townee and one wise guy. That is what I believe and know for an almost fact. He is working for the good of the town. Trust me! Keep him alive.

And for now I:
Vote: luigi VI di Fatlington

I'm not experienced, but his actions seem to be a danger to an innocent person.

[Caius]

I want to hear Alexander The Pretty Boy

Vote:Alexander The Pretty Boy

He didnt say nothing

[Moros]

Where were theRTWGuru and Moros able to avoid the cold hand of death. Guru's attempted murder seems to be one of an individual who could not coordinate even event as a machine gunning of a victim. Moros's seems to be a lesson to be taught.

Questions?

Moros what activities have you been up to that might want someone to see your demise?

I don't know if someone saved me or threatened me. I didn't know you could do that. I swear tough, to the person who did this that I'll have my vengeance.

'kay, now why would someone kill me? I think I was one of, if not the most, active players last round. And I've lynched a mafia, Beirut. I've also been in contact with AggonyDuck (chat) and the same guy who ordered an attack on Aggonymight have tought that I was his friend. If he tought it was worth killing aggony for a certain reason (perhaps because of information perhaps of some other reason) it might have also applied on me.

In any case if I was saved, than thanks a lot.



Now what I have heard is that pevergreen told TS that Krazilec was don in round one.TS is probably referring to that.

About RTWguru I didn't even know he was playing, is he an active player?

[The Stranger]

Luca's can investigate too... he can just claim to be a detective and perform an investigation while he is just a luca. And posting the roledescription... he could also get it from some one else...

Now I'm not drawing a quick conclusion anymore... just you should not get fooled so quickly and believe him on his investigation only.

I say I'm innocent, and thats what the test will reveal.

[doc_bean]

vote: ByzantineKnight

Reading the last few pages it seems like he's at least hiding something

[Redleg]

Lets not forget the vote tallies for our host. Being that he is old and cribbled he might need our help.

Lynching vote

luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[Moros]

Andres, I'd advise you to tell about the pm. You will probably get my vote if you don't by this evening.

The Stranger hasn't done to many bad things lately and I'd be interested in Pevergreen's and the_stranger's explainations. Weird thing, the mafia could have tried to kill a detective and they didn't? Do they know more about you?

Kommodos, you are verry inactive are you. That one time you were a mafia, you did the same thing. I know we discussed strategies. In a huge game like this this is more easy. Are you using you formula or vorting cheats. I remmeber last time you were angry on me when I told this when we were mafia. Sorry I had to pick you out but I just know more on how you play the mafia role than most others. And I want to check it out if you are mafia now I still can, I've been attacked after one round of me playing and this can happen again. Tell me kommodos, are you?

Glad to see that there weren't any easy frames on me like, Arrividerci or a mafia killing with a falx or something. I was expecting those.

[Caius]

When we vote director?

[Moros]

People let's think before we vote, this sort of voting doesn't help at all.
@Caius, after next night.

[The Stranger]

I got some very interesting news about Beirut...

seems like the Town is doing great.

[The Stranger]

Moros. Pevergreen was protected... Byzantine Knight "accidentally" said that so maybe the called of the kill at the last moment. Or maybe Pevergreen's a luca or even a Don... he ordered his luca to investigate me... and he could post the results.. claiming to be a detective that has done his job...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Note: FYI

Made Gangsters can conduct investigations, Lucas -- at least while a Don is alive -- may not.

[Caius]

I got some very interesting news about Beirut...

seems like the Town is doing great.
What?I want to know more.

[The Stranger]

Luca or a Made... both Mafia... well Made i meant than...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote: Andres

He could get a townie protection group at night, but right now he's just protecting the mafia.

Crazed Rabbit

[Kagemusha]

If a townie claims something he is not, like being detective in my mind he should be lynched.

Vote: Pevergreen

Lynching vote

Pevergreen -1 (Kagemusha)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[The Stranger]

Caius... Beirut was mafia... I think he was a Made.

But... the autopsy will reveal that tomorrow...

[The Stranger]

Pevergreen -1 (Kagemusha)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
AndresTheCunning - 1 (CrazedRabbit)

[Ituralde]

I wouldn't discount pevergreens role as quick as some are doing here. We all know what options the Mafia has when someone proclaims himself the detective. He will always have the problem that people won't beleive him. The only thing that confirms his role for most people is when he gets killed or attacked by the Mafia. So most of the time the Mafia tends to leave those people alone to draw more suspicion on them.
I still think that the best way to test pevergreens detectivness is to let him investigate certain individuals and then lynch them and find out if his findings match the investagion results posted by Seamus.

I though the consensus was to lynch The Stranger this round to see whether pevergreen is a real detective or not. The Stranger may well be helpful with his PMing and acting behind the scenes. His death should not prevent him from doing these things though.
Still, right now I'm waiting on pevergreens investigation results and I think we should go from there.

Also nice job everyone on lynching Krazilec. I thought it was a wild shot at best, but seems like we got ourselves a Don rigth off the bat! :2thumbsup:

[HughTower]

Andres owes the town some answers to questions posed, primarily who was the individual that he sent the messages for? Avoiding answering before the upcoming vote, could result in your lynching for lack of a better option.

Not really - it was the analysis of Andres' messages &, in particular the word 'maffia' that led to Krazilec's (correct) lynching. It was a mistake in posting by Krazilec that led to Beirut's lynching, which we'll find out the truth in time.

I suppose his reticence might still be considered suspicious, but in terms of investigative necessities, surely we can assume we've crippled one of the 3 families, & we need to try & focus on the other 2. They were certainly mighty active last night.

[The Stranger]

[QUOTE=Ituralde]I though the consensus was to lynch The Stranger this round to see whether pevergreen is a real detective or not. The Stranger may well be helpful with his PMing and acting behind the scenes. His death should not prevent him from doing these things though.
Still, right now I'm waiting on pevergreens investigation results and I think we should go from there.
QUOTE]

If that is what it takes, I will volunteer...

[Major Robert Dump]

When MRDs mom identified his headshot body in the morgue, she stripped off his pants in search of the Willie Nelson tatoo on his scrotum, just to make sure.

It was there.

On his right thigh were four homeade tatoos with locals names, the results of his investigations. MRD had a "memory problem" since the bad fall while sledding with the kids in the ice storm. Two of the names were the same, and the result was the same both times according to the tatoo. Two individual names with innocent by them, and one name twice with guilty by it each time. There was also a phone number written on the palm of his hand with the word "cleaner" beneath it.

"Will you need a return ticket?" asked the clerk at the bus station.

"Not likely," responded MRDs mum, as she shuffled the grandkids onto the bus. "Enjoy your director you sonsofbitches."

The clerk just nodded, too caught up with the line of people waiting to get out of town.

[Redleg]

Not really - it was the analysis of Andres' messages &, in particular the word 'maffia' that led to Krazilec's (correct) lynching. It was a mistake in posting by Krazilec that led to Beirut's lynching, which we'll find out the truth in time.

I suppose his reticence might still be considered suspicious, but in terms of investigative necessities, surely we can assume we've crippled one of the 3 families, & we need to try & focus on the other 2. They were certainly mighty active last night.

Fair point - however Andres was asked questions prior to the information coming out. In interest of following through Andres should be forthcoming with the information that was asked. Wether it is any use at this time remains to be seen.

However as noted in my first message, there are several issues that need to be resolved before the voting phase truely commences. I am frankly more interested in the discussions between The Stranger and luigi VI di Fatlington and the three way discussion between luigi VI di Fatlington, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince there is a clue available there I think. But I am not sure of what it is right now.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm, I had forgotten about Pevergreen - and he seems awfully suspicious.

Remember, GH, luca for a Don, wanted pevergreen in the director spot. Had pevergreen got that position, he would be protected at night - freeing up his luca, GH, to do other dirty work. And he claims to be a detective - how conveinent.

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Pevergreen

Pevergreen -2 (Kagemusha, Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

Crazed Rabbit

[Kommodus]

Kommodos, you are verry inactive are you. That one time you were a mafia, you did the same thing. I know we discussed strategies. In a huge game like this this is more easy. Are you using you formula or vorting cheats. I remmeber last time you were angry on me when I told this when we were mafia. Sorry I had to pick you out but I just know more on how you play the mafia role than most others. And I want to check it out if you are mafia now I still can, I've been attacked after one round of me playing and this can happen again. Tell me kommodos, are you?

No GG, I'm a townie this time.

My analytical methods have undergone some evolutions since last time you were around. My current method is tricky to apply in a situation like this, in which there is a large number of players and a lot of mafiosi - especially since the mafia can recruit. But I haven't been as inactive as my post count would suggest. When I have something useful to say, I'll say it.

Not quite sure who to vote for yet... I have a suspect, but I'm not quite ready to cast the vote.

[The Stranger]

discussion with me and Luigi? Which one... he just wants me dead... no more discussion. Pannonian and BK also want me dead... whats more to say...

[Moros]

are you sure TS?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:AndresTheCunning

I'm thinking there's no way Seamus didn't send him his role pm right away.

AndresTheCunning - 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Pevergreen -2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[The Stranger]

MRD explain your narrative... which 3 names? Who? Who was innocent? Who guilty?

[Moros]

No GG, I'm a townie this time.

My analytical methods have undergone some evolutions since last time you were around. My current method is tricky to apply in a situation like this, in which there is a large number of players and a lot of mafiosi - especially since the mafia can recruit. But I haven't been as inactive as my post count would suggest. When I have something useful to say, I'll say it.

Not quite sure who to vote for yet... I have a suspect, but I'm not quite ready to cast the vote.
So few posts yet, when attacked, one follows immediatly.
Who else did that in this thread?

I know your system has changed. I might not have played many gams for a long time since. That doesn't mean I am not up to date. I hope you are a townie. You weren't really convincing but well your not suspicious or anything. So don't think I'm going to vote you or something. I'll just keep an eye on you.

Vote: Andreke

AndresTheCunning - 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros (for now...))
Pevergreen -2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote:AndresTheCunning

I'm thinking there's no way Seamus didn't send him his role pm right away.



Actually, I PM'd him his role about 15-20 minutes after posting notice of his entrance to the game. He was added at the bottom of the list and I PM more or less in sequence from top to bottom so as not to get lost.

[Moros]

Actually, I PM'd him his role about 15-20 minutes after posting notice of his entrance to the game. He was added at the bottom of the list and I PM more or less in sequence from top to bottom so as not to get lost.
But his last claims of this were later.

[The Stranger]

Town Losses:
Ichigo (Townie)
Tribesman (Townie)

Mafia Losses:
General Hankerchief (Luca)
Kralizec (Don)
Stig (Made)
Beirut (Probably Made)

Unknown Losses
Major Robert Dump (probably Mafia, though maybe a detective)
AggonyDuck (probably Pro-Town)

[Moros]

Stig was a wiseguy, no?
Aggony is a town loss. That I am sure of.

[Stig]

Nope Stranger, I was a Wise Guy, if you don't believe me read this again:

“Stig too was a criminal. We’d had indications before this, but nothing conclusive. There was, however, nothing to connect him to one of the predatory gangs, so our current theory is that he wouldn’t play ball so he was taken for a ride – well, in his case a bad dinner.”

[The Stranger]

oh sorry... Oke wiseguy then... Which will put you in the Unknown Losses Catogary

[The Stranger]

I love the activity...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Is that a reference to Se7en in the write-up, Seamus?

Good work bagging a Don, guys, even if I didn't have a part in it. :sweatdrop:

And thanks, Caius, maybe if you'd read through you'd have seen I've posted before. ~:rolleyes:

Lynch: Abstain

AndresTheCunning - 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)

[AggonyDuck]

All are mortified by my death! :yes:

[Banquo's Ghost]

Tribesman had enemies – anyone who chatted politics with him would confirm that. They would tell you he knew all the tricks: puns, metaphor, dramatic irony even….sarcasm. Despite which he calmly and deliberately drank himself to death."


Should've nailed his head to a table.

Vote: Spiny Norman. :laugh4:

[The Stranger]

you vote who?

AndresTheCunning - 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hm, interesting.

My list included a Godfather, a probable Mafioso, and a Wiseguy on it.

Kinda makes you think, doesn't it...

[CountArach]

Vote: Andres the Cunning.

Andres, if you show us the PM, then I will change my vote to someone else, or I will Abstain. Also I'm sure that someone will try to protect you.

AndresTheCunning - 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros, CountArach)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

EDIT: Added List

[Moros]

please update the tally!

AndresTheCunning - 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros, CountArach)
Pevergreen - 2 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

[The Stranger]

GH: Your list included a Made and a Wise Guy... No Don...

though... reenkroink has been pretty silent

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Apologies about my interruption of the flow of this (very) active thread, but what causes somebody to commit suicide? Thanks guys.

[The Stranger]

no time to play the game properly i think...

[Andres]

Andres, if you show us the PM, then I will change my vote to someone else, or I will Abstain. Also I'm sure that someone will try to protect you.

Guess I'll have to quote myself...


I deleted those pm's because I needed space in my PM box.

Look around and you'll notice the pm's were sent when I just started to recruit for the new PBM, the Gallic Confederation.

I pm'd alot in those days and had to delete what was not worth keeping. At the time, those pm's weren't important to me, since I was not participating in this game.




Anyway, I have decided to give you the name.

It was Kralizec.

I have to disappoint those who want evidence. Sorry for that. I only joined the game because I read the invitation in Seamus' write-up (the one about Kralizecs' lynching).

On the other hand I do have some intresting stuff in my pm box.

This is what I still have from that period:


Do you enjoy being the messanger boy?

Sounds like a boring job, i hope you get workers compo. :laugh4:

Im gunna hang around, see what my post stirs up, then off to bed.




Do you enjoy being the messanger boy?

Sounds like a boring job, i hope you get workers compo. :laugh4:

Im gunna hang around, see what my post stirs up, then off to bed.

Well, being the messenger boy became funny once my name got mentioned in the game. Suddenly they all started to vote for me, while I don't even participate :laugh4:

All these speculations, well, let's just say it's pretty funny if you know the truth.

~;)
i still dont know who he is. But i have talked to him.

I really want to know who he is!



If you wouldnt mind telling your mafia friend asap.

I know 2 dons, 2 mades (plus him) and 2 lucas. All confirmed. And that he will find itmost if he votes as i am.

Unless he gives an explanation, I say:

Vote: pevergreen

EDIT: I'll need protection...
EDIT 2: Damn spoil tags

[The Stranger]

One don was Kralizec... so WHO IS HIM?

One Luca (General Hankerchief)

One Made (Beirut)

hmm Greenpever... pretty suspicious... where are the results you promised?

[Andres]

Vote tally

AndresTheCunning - 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Moros, CountArach)
Pevergreen - 3 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

[The Stranger]

Oh btw... I don't believe it was Kralizec... why should you be afraid of a dead person. Also you lied about not getting your rolePM

[Louis VI the Fat]

However as noted in my first message, there are several issues that need to be resolved before the voting phase truely commences. I am frankly more interested in the discussions between The Stranger and luigi VI di Fatlington and the three way discussion between luigi VI di Fatlington, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince there is a clue available there I think.There is a clue available there indeed. That clue is that Luigi VI di Fatlington is always right.




post #462 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1393066&postcount=462): Luigi VI: ' Your mafia friend nonetheless is dead meat though.

I think I'm going to have myself a Dutch treat tonight, I'll bring a fine bottle of Bordeaux.

Vote: Kralizec'.
The next day, Kralizec turns out to be a don.

I also put some pressure on a wise guy here, Stig. He however was of the light side of the force and was striving towards a town victory.


post #738 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1396003&postcount=738): Luigi VI 'Vote: Beirut'.
Y'all will have to wait 'till tomorrow to find out what his role was...:beam:


post #829 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1397779&postcount=829)
Luigi VI: 'Andres, you have been PM-ed your role ages ago. Hours before you said here you didn't have your role description yet.'
Seamus, the next day: I PM'd him his role about 15-20 minutes after posting notice of his entrance to the game.


Luigi VI, at The Stranger: 'You seem to be revelling a bit much in the dead of an innocent, clean wise guy (=Stig).
Seamus, the next day: Stig too was a criminal. We’d had indications before this, but nothing conclusive. There was, however, nothing to connect him to one of the predatory gangs,

I was criticizing The Stranger for plotting against Stig, because he failed to realise that Stig was a wise guy working for the town.
Now of course both the townies and the mafia know that The Stranger is a townie, so both leave him alive for that reason.
And I for one won't vote for him on the principle that one doesn't lynch townies. But either he made an error or something is brewing.
*keeps a firm eye on The Stranger and buddies*

Perhaps though, The Stranger doesn't realise the difference between a wise guy and a made / mafia?:

The Stranger:
Mafia Losses:
General Hankerchief (Luca)
Kralizec (Don)
Stig (Made)
Beirut (Probably Made)


As to the three way discussion between me, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince (Knight):
ByzantineKnight is (probably) town working with *** and ***.

Pannonian will do his own explanation after reading the following:
Why, Pannonian (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1398197&postcount=854), are there at least two townies on this list: 'Andres should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with'. Why do you want them hanged so much?

[The Stranger]

Luigi... I said Made because that was what I read... or i made up out of the narrative... I know the difference i just thought the autopsy said Made...

I already apologized.

[Redleg]

There is a clue available there indeed. That clue is that Luigi VI di Fatlington is always right.


Yes indeed this might be the actual clue of the discussion.

I find it interesting that in a PM I am accused of being mafia because of MRD's post. Now there is no evidence that demonstrates I am other then what I am, a pro-townie townie.

Anyone care to conduct an investigation on me?


I particulerly like your comments toward The Stranger,




As to the three way discussion between me, Pannonian and ByzantinePrince (Knight):
ByzantineKnight is (probably) town working with *** and ***.

Pannonian will do his own explanation after reading the following:
Why, Pannonian (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1398197&postcount=854), are there at least two townies on this list: 'Andres should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with'. Why do you want them hanged so much?

I to am wondering what his response will be.

Andres has gotten off my short list of candidates for investigation for now because while his actual role is unknow by me at the momment, he for the moment is not a threat in my opinion to the town.

[The Stranger]

Pevergreen can do a investigation... though I dont trust him...

[Pannonian]

Pannonian will do his own explanation after reading the following:
Why, Pannonian (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1398197&postcount=854), are there at least two townies on this list: 'Andres should be lynched. But I'd like the town to delay it until The_Stranger, Motep and pevergreen are dealt with'. Why do you want them hanged so much?
Because pevergreen has claimed he is a detective, and The_Stranger and Motep have also been behaving erratically, starting with The_Stranger's riddle "I'm THE DON". The_Stranger meandered all over the place after I kept pressing him for a satisfactory explanation. As I said, he was either pro-Mafia or an unhelpful townie, based on his behaviour. Motep's behaviour is more classically Mafia, trying to start a bandwagon on Sasaki among others for little reason, and agreeing with me in a post that seemed to say much but contained little substance, in a manner reminiscent of Kommodus' backing of my accusation of Uesugi Kenshin in Mafia III. There were a number of things that made me suspicious of pevergreen, but he claimed to be detective.

Hence my proposal that pevergreen should investigate The_Stranger and Motep, and then we execute those two. By the night following the second execution, the autopsy for the first lynchee should be available, and we could compare the autopsy results with pevergreen's investigations, and decide whether pevergreen should follow.

Those were my initial thoughts. However, pevergreen is taking an awful long time to come back with his investigations, and I'm less sure of The_Stranger now than I was. However, Motep should still hang. His explanations of his role and behaviour are even less convincing than The_Stranger's.

And Andres? I'm sure he's guilty, or unhelpful to the point of being effectively guilty. He'll hang sooner or later. I'm just interested in seeing if pevergreen is as clean as some people claim.

[Moros]

pevergreen can't eb detective. He was in a group. Detectives can't do that!

[Andres]

And Andres? I'm sure he's guilty, or unhelpful

Did you even did the effort of reading post 944 in this thread? Or are you ignoring it on purpose?

*sigh*

Sure you can lynch TS, Motep and me, pretend you want to lynch pevergreen and meanwhile keep him alive for another turn or 2, 3, 4... allowing him to continue his killing spree for another turn or 2, 3, 4...

[Pannonian]

pevergreen can't eb detective. He was in a group. Detectives can't do that!


Detective:
a) You may investigate two persons per night phase. The investigation will list the individual as innocent (Townie, Don), criminal (Luca, Made not killing, Wise guy not having killed at all, and some townies), or guilty (Luca or Made on the night of kill, Wise guy or Townie who has killed – you either get the current kill or their whole track record as well). If a "guilty" person is discovered, there is some chance -- not a guarantee -- that the detective will also get information on previous kills and/or interesting data.
b) You will appear as “innocent” if investigated, unless and until your actions change your role.
c) Acts as a townie in most respects, but may not participate in a kill group. Other actions may cause role change.

Pevergreen claimed to investigate me and Redleg on the first night, and found us both innocent. He said he participated in a group on the second night. Can the other members of that group raise their hands?

[Orb]

pevergreen can't eb detective. He was in a group. Detectives can't do that!

I'm guessing most roles can double as townies.

Does anyone want to get a lurker list for us?:idea2:

I'm too lazy :2thumbsup:

[The Stranger]

Moros... the rules says he cant kill in agroup... not that he cant protect with a group...

[Moros]

yeah, noticed that only know. Still noone confirmed that he was in this group. And it has been long since he first said that.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Notes:

Most, but not all, roles may double as Townies.:deal:

Andres receive his PM from me nearly 2 hours after I posted the Lynch summary -- not 20 minutes as earlier noted.:shame:

I found the Spiney Norman bit screamingly funny back in the late 30 years ago when I first heard it -- and still do. The Pirahna brother should run for President. :cheesy:

[Redleg]

yeah, noticed that only know. Still noone confirmed that he was in this group. And it has been long since he first said that.

I can confirm that I asked him to particapate in a protection group. I can confirm that he stated that he would, but I cannot confirm that he actually sent the message that confirms his particapation in the protection.

[Moros]

hmmm... so he might not be after all.
Okay then Pevergreen is from my list...for now. TOugh ofcourse the possibility exists that you are a maifa freind. But for now Pever is off my list. That means Motep and Andres are left.

[Redleg]

hmmm... so he might not be after all.
Okay then Pevergreen is from my list...for now. TOugh ofcourse the possibility exists that you are a maifa freind. But for now Pever is off my list. That means Motep and Andres are left.

As with everyone that posts.

I await Pevergreen's investigation notes before I conclude one way or another. If he doesn't provide them before 0600 EST I will have to assume that he has mislead us.

[Andres]

Just in case somebody missed it:



Andres receive his PM from me nearly 2 hours after I posted the Lynch summary -- not 20 minutes as earlier noted.:shame:


No problem Seamus. Even if I get lynched in your game I'll still love you :knuddel:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Andres receive his PM from me nearly 2 hours after I posted the Lynch summary -- not 20 minutes as earlier noted.:shame:


Unvote Andres

Pevergreen - 3 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning)
AndresTheCunning - 2 ( Moros, CountArach)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)



I too want to see pevergreens investigation results. Although if Andres pm's are genuine then pevergreen is guilty.

[AggonyDuck]

Guys, remember though that pevergreen is an Aussie, so he is still asleep. ~;)

[Csargo]

Sasaki Kojiro 91
The Stranger 86
Moros 64
Seamus Fermanagh 55
pevergreen 55
Pannonian 42
Ichigo 37
Stig 37
Caius Flaminius 32
Lord Motep of Kendermore 31
Redleg 26
ByzantineKnight 26
HughTower 23
CountArach 22
Big King Sanctaphrax 21
Major Robert Dump 20
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot 17
doc_bean 16
luigi VI di Fatlington 15
Orb 15
AndresTheCunning 14
Kralizec 13
Crazed Rabbit 13
GeneralHankerchief 11
Kagemusha 11
AggonyDuck 10
Dutch_guy 10
Ituralde 10
Masy 9
Banquo's Ghost 9
Proletariat 8
Sir Boo 8
JimBob 7
Sigurd Fafnesbane 7
Warluster 7
Cowhead418 7
Kommodus 7
Beirut 6
Alexander the Pretty Good 6
Destroyer of Hope 6
Ironside 5
Tom_Hagen 5
theRTWGuru 5
Sir Moody 5
Drisos 4
Zalmoxis 4
Reenk Roink 4
Xdeathfire 3
Ignoramus 3
UltraWar 3
Pindar 3
Peasant Phill 2
Papewaio 2
Hepcat 2
Xiahou 1
Copperhaired Berserker! 1
Tribesman 1
marcusbrutus 1
Mithridates Seleukeias Babyloniakes 1

There ya go. I'm here to help.

[Kralizec]

What sort of list is that? :inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sigurd and Don are quieter than usual.

Vote:Sigurd

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What sort of list is that? :inquisitive:

It's an "awesomeness" rating.

If you click the linked number of posts from the forum page it gives you a list of how many times everyone has posted.

[Csargo]

What sort of list is that? :inquisitive:

The sort of list that shows how many times each person has posted in the thread. :D :beam:


It's an "awesomeness" rating

I'm 7th. I say we kill all the top posters.

Vote: Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The sort of list that shows how many times each person has posted in the thread. :D :beam:

TOO SLOW :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:

[Csargo]

TOO SLOW :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:

I beat you posting the list. :tongue3:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I beat you posting the list. :tongue3:

Mere cut and paste is nothing to be proud of young man :bow:

[Kralizec]

It's an "awesomeness" rating.

If you click the linked number of posts from the forum page it gives you a list of how many times everyone has posted.

Spamming is considered awesome? *notices TheStranger is ranked #2*

+1

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Spamming is considered awesome? *notices TheStranger is ranked #2*

+1

All of my posts are carefully crafted and important contributions :stare:

Really I'm just waiting for pevergreen to show up.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Andres receive his PM from me nearly 2 hours after I posted the Lynch summary -- not 20 minutes as earlier noted.:shame:
Hello Seamus,

Thanks for your brilliant write-ups and for this excellent game. It's a blast. :2thumbsup:

However, you wouldn't be getting nervous about it being over too soon with us killing off all your mobsters at an alarming rate, wouldn't you? Know that throwing in a new wise-guy and 'helping' him a bit isn't going to work though :beam:

Look, adding another mafia in the middle of the game you'd consider unfair, even when you're not amused that three mafiosi are already down. A townie role seems silly, you don't draw people into the game and then give them a townie role. Also, you decided on a wise-guy role so it would keep his options open for him, what with him joining in at the middle of the game.
He could choose his direction himself.

Unfortunately, he hasn't been wise enough of a wise guy to choose the winning side, the town. His own words in this thread have revealed him.


Three mafia down, one in the making next.

Vote: AndresTheCunning.



Pevergreen - 3 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning)
AndresTheCunning - 3 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Alexander - 1 (Caius Flaminius)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Sigurd - 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)

[Vote: Sasaki - Ichigo. Can't vote. disregard]

Thanks for the list, Ichigo!

[pevergreen]

Well, sorry for that, I have been asleep. Its only 10 am now.

I investigated 2 people.

The Stranger obviously and while some people were saying "Motep" or "Andres" i really didnt trust Sasaki.

The Stranger Result: Criminal (But it could be one of the townie ones)
Sasaki Result: Criminal

Sasaki? Criminal? Thats enough for me
Why am i voting Sasaki?

I dont think Sasaki's win conditions allow me to live

Vote: Sasaki

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Vote: Andres.

He has been extremely obstructive to the town, which is never a good sign. I also have information through the grapevine suggesting it would be in the town's best interests to lynch him.

[Caius]

Unvote:Alexander
Vote:Sasaki

[pevergreen]

As do I.

But my results show Sasaki criminal. So no vote change.

Pevergreen - 3 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning)
AndresTheCunning - 3 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Sigurd - 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain - 1 (ATPG)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Cauis)

[Pannonian]

Pevergreen, your voting for Sasaki for no better reason than a simple "I find him suspicious" was what made me suspect you in the first place, being as it was a prime example of meatballing. However, since the more experienced players will know that Sasaki growls at anyone anyway, while less experienced ones sometimes interpret this as a sign of Mafia, I'll vote Sasaki and see what happens. Are you a genuine detective who came up with that result, or are you a fake looking for scapegoats and picked Sasaki? And remember, if the autopsy proves you wrong, you're facing the rope as well.

Vote: Sasaki

Sasaki, if you're an important pro-town role, now's the time to reveal. Otherwise, it might be worth getting yourself killed so we can test pevergreen's investigations.

Pevergreen - 3 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning)
AndresTheCunning - 4 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Sigurd - 1 (Sasaki)
Abstain - 1 (Alexander)
Sasaki - 3 (pevergreen, Cauis, Pannonian)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@pannonian: No pro town roles come up criminal.

@pevergreen: interesting choice in strategy. However: you and several other people know I've been working with townie groups, and with groups of wise guys who are pro town. Thus if I was wise guy and pro town I would have no problems saying so. So you conclude that I am wise guy working for a family.

Unfortunatly, if I was working for a family I would have killed someone by round three and my status would be "guilty" not "criminal.

I'm a townie, the 10% (?) chance that you got on a criminal result on a townie is a convenient out, but I find it unlikely.

Vote:pevergreen

[Csargo]

Well, sorry for that, I have been asleep. Its only 10 am now.

I investigated 2 people.

The Stranger obviously and while some people were saying "Motep" or "Andres" i really didnt trust Sasaki.

The Stranger Result: Criminal (But it could be one of the townie ones)
Sasaki Result: Criminal

Sasaki? Criminal? Thats enough for me
Why am i voting Sasaki?


Vote: Sasaki

You really picked the wrong guy to go after.

[Reenk Roink]

I don't believe Sasaki, but I don't believe pevergreen either... :shrug:

Vote: Reenk Roink (courteously) :bow:

Pevergreen - 4 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki)
AndresTheCunning - 4 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (Alexander)
Sasaki - 3 (pevergreen, Cauis, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)

[Redleg]

Interesting discussion going on. I suspect as being a new player, a few have attempted to play me the patsy. And it seems that they might well have.....

Armed with some new insights, and conducting a review of the thread, expect an interesting analysis of current events to come sometime during the night after I get off of work, and have the time for a complete review of the thread and my PM.

[Warluster]

I am at a loss, so i will vote

Vote:AndresTheCunning

Pevergreen - 4 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (Alexander)
Sasaki - 3 (pevergreen, Cauis, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Sasaki

Sasaki, if you're an important pro-town role, now's the time to reveal.

Pressure votes are ok, but I'm not sure I like this "reveal pro-town role" part. The last thing we want is for the doctors and detectives to reveal themselves in the thread. The mafia would love that naturally. What was your intention here?

[Csargo]

Pressure votes are ok, but I'm not sure I like this "reveal pro-town role" part. The last thing we want is for the doctors and detectives to reveal themselves in the thread. The mafia would love that naturally. What was your intention here?

Not really if the mafia are trying to kill each other off. After that happens then yes they would be a target.

I think I smell a bandwagon. :grin:

[Pannonian]

Pressure votes are ok, but I'm not sure I like this "reveal pro-town role" part. The last thing we want is for the doctors and detectives to reveal themselves in the thread. The mafia would love that naturally. What was your intention here?
If you are an important pro-town role, there are more than enough townies and pro-town wise guys to protect you, a weakness of the rules in this game. Even if a protection group fails, it will help the town by revealing that at least one of the members in that group is a Made or a Luca (the pro-Mafia roles who cannot join a protection group). The suicide of the members of that group will either eliminate the threat, or isolate the surviving members as likely mafiosi.

OOC, I think the rules are too pro-town over and above the difficulty in winning a game like this as Mafia. But then, I'm a townie, so I'll exploit the rules however I can to achieve a town victory.

[pevergreen]

Mafia 'aint no fun if you dont take risks.

I know Sasaki isnt pro-town.

Its just if i can prove it.

Reveal your role Sasaki, and i may change my vote and apologise.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If you are an important pro-town role, there are more than enough townies and pro-town wise guys to protect you, a weakness of the rules in this game. Even if a protection group fails, it will help the town by revealing that at least one of the members in that group is a Made or a Luca (the pro-Mafia roles who cannot join a protection group). The suicide of the members of that group will either eliminate the threat, or isolate the surviving members as likely mafiosi.

OOC, I think the rules are too pro-town over and above the difficulty in winning a game like this as Mafia. But then, I'm a townie, so I'll exploit the rules however I can to achieve a town victory.

Right now, pro-town roles could get protection. But what about endgame? Your explanation satisfies me though.

@pevergreen:townie

[Csargo]

Mafia 'aint no fun if you dont take risks.

I know Sasaki isnt pro-town.

Its just if i can prove it.

Reveal your role Sasaki, and i may change my vote and apologise.

I highly doubt Sasaki would reveal his role if he has one. All the votes against him lack any evidence and reek of a bandwagon. I defended you in the chat pever, but right now I am doubting your innocence.

[pevergreen]

You dont have to defend me.

I still dont trust Sasaki, but if i swing for that, no loss.

For me at least, you will lose a detective.

[Pannonian]

Right now, pro-town roles could get protection. But what about endgame? Your explanation satisfies me though.

@pevergreen:townie
If we systematically exploit the rules of this game, I doubt we will reach an endgame. Still, I don't really mind if you, Andres or pevergreen is lynched. A dead you will allow us to test pevergreen's claim, while Andres and pevergreen are prime suspects anyway.

One name I hope people won't forget is Motep, whose posts have been classic meatball and bluster. Search the Gameroom for posts by Lord Motep and they'll scream "Guilty!".

[Csargo]

You dont have to defend me.

I still dont trust Sasaki, but if i swing for that, no loss.

For me at least, you will lose a detective.

Your not a detective.

[pevergreen]

Well, if there is a general consensous on letting me prove im a detective, who shall die? If there is, i shall unvote Sasaki.


@ Ichigo- If im not a detective what am i? I could swear i am a detective..my role pm says so.
Arent you dead anyway? Or is that someone else?

[Caius]

Unvote:Sasaki
Vote:No Lynch

[Csargo]

Unvote:Sasaki
Vote:No Lynch

Guilty Guilty Guilty You bad mafioso:thumbsdown:

[Caius]

Guilty Guilty Guilty You bad mafioso:thumbsdown:
:inquisitive:

Im not a mafioso.

[pevergreen]

pevergreen - 4 (Kagemusha,Crazed Rabbit,AndresTheCunning, Sasaki)
AndresTheCunning - 5 ( Luigi VI di Fatlington, Moros, CountArach, BKS)
luigi VI di Fatlington - 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
ByzantineKnight - 1 (doc_bean)
Abstain - 1 (Alexander)
Sasaki - 2 (pevergreen, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink - 1 (Reenk Roink)
No Lynch - 1 (Caius)