Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]

[Lord Winter]

Speaking of which...
Seconded, Sasski If your plan failed at least explain how, if not then put forward your proof. Your looking scummy right now.
FoS: Sasski

Vote: CA
I don't know if your last post was just bad logic, but you seem a little to egear to lynch Tran. Very scummy I think.

[CountArach]

Which part of my post was eagre to lynch Tran?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No I can't prove my own innocence, however I am not going to deflect attention onto someone elseso that I can see another Townie be lynched instead of me.

Well, now someone is voting you (DoH). If you keep voting tran instead of trying to prove your innocence, are you going to have to vote yourself?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, now someone is voting you (DoH). If you keep voting tran instead of trying to prove your innocence, are you going to have to vote yourself?

Funny how you mention DoH voting Arach but not the part where he put the FoS on you.

[CountArach]

Well, now someone is voting you (DoH). If you keep voting tran instead of trying to prove your innocence, are you going to have to vote yourself?

HAHA, touche. But nevertheless, I still think Tran is scum.

But does anyone else find it interesting that DoH comes and posts this straight after Sasaki has just talked to me about this whole thing? I'm keeping my eye on a possible connection there. Still nothing solid to go off, just something to keep in mind.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh was that on me? I thought it was on "Sasski".

[GeneralHankerchief]

Stop dodging. If you can't produce the evidence then you're just a liar/dodger. Scummy enough for a lynch.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's possible gamebreaking. So I'd rather not mention it.

hmm

unvote

[GeneralHankerchief]

In that case, I suggest you PM Kommodus asking for his okay. But until he says yes and you reveal it, you're still looking pretty scummy, bud.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

On the contrary, I have no intention of lamely proving my innocence any sooner than necessary.

I'll just pull the old "I would have been investigated already" ploy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

On the contrary, I have no intention of lamely proving my innocence any sooner than necessary.

Post 271 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1491220&postcount=271)


I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.

Obviously this was said with the intention of using it to get out of being lynched. I believe (as do most of the other players, correct me if I'm wrong guys) that we let you live under the impression that this was to be revealed tomorrow.

So what gives? Again you're putting off the information, trying to stay alive. Also, you're now saying that townies should kick and scream when the heat's on them, trying to stay alive, something which I've NEVER seen you say in prior games. Before it was "townies should be willing to take one for the team."

You've got me convinced that you're guilty. Good luck trying to sway the rest of the town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Actually, if you bother to check I have quite often said townies should do their utmost to defend myself and have done so.

I don't believe anyone has made an argument against me.

[CountArach]

Then why do you have to clear your name?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:greaterkhaan

Bandwagon vote using others reasoning. His response to my questions is very accomodating, but I'm inclined to see that as a mafia tell rather than a town tell.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Then why do you have to clear your name?

I don't ~:confused:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually, if you bother to check I have quite often said townies should do their utmost to defend myself and have done so.

I don't believe anyone has made an argument against me.

Then find the posts yourself and put them down here. I'm not the one who needs to stay alive.

[CountArach]

I don't ~:confused:

Then why are you so insistent on us not voting you until tomorrow?

[Killfr3nzy]

God damnit, stop changing your votes. :wall:

Also, Sasaki are you saying you have a role? That'll get you murdered if your not mafia, seems a bit strange to role claim when you've only got a couple of votes.

Vote Count (as of #523);
Tran - 5 (sapi, HughT, Greaterkhaan, stig, CountA)
Ichigo - 3 (pever, Tran, disco)
CountA - 2 (Ichi, DoH)
Stig - 1 (Sigurd)
Twilightblade - 1 (Killfr3nzy)
Sasaki - 1 (kage)
Myrddraal - 1 (Caius)
Dutch_Guy - 1 (RoadKill)
Greaterkhaan - 1 (Sasaki)
Caius - 1 (Seamus)

^RVTL = What the hell does this mean? I counted it as a vote.

Why the hell are we voting Ichigo again?

[Caius]

^RVTL = What the hell does this mean? I counted it as a vote.

Its a vote.

[seireikhaan]

Vote:greaterkhaan

Bandwagon vote using others reasoning. His response to my questions is very accomodating, but I'm inclined to see that as a mafia tell rather than a town tell.

Ahh, I see. You're saying we should all vote for each other until everyone has only one vote on them apiece. That way we can make sure there's no bandwagoning. We can't ever agree with anyone else's reasons and give a second vote to someone, cause after all, that would be bandwagoning, according to you.

Seriously, I would first like to point out that I was only the third person to vote Tran(out of 5). Second, you seem to be expecting me to produce some sort of miracle evidence that proves without doubt that my suspect is guilty. My suspect is just that, a suspect. I have no perfect, irrefutable evidence of someone being a mafioso. I doubt anyone does. I just have suspicions, which I already explained.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seriously, I would first like to point out that I was only the third person to vote Tran(out of 5).

Take it away, Sigurd.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Caius Flaminius

--Failed to bold this earlier.

[RoadKill]

I find it interesting how you can gather that out of the post you quoted, I am impressed - I daresay even Sasaki himself could have spun it that far around.

:balloon2:

So what your telling me is that you actully are the mafia, and I was good enough like Sasaki to catch you?

[CountArach]

I think he was being sarcastic.

[RoadKill]

I don't know was he?

[Kommodus]

Voting closed. Tran has been lynched.

As before, I'll put the story up later. However, the third night phase has begun. PMs please! :2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

A late unvote:greaterkhan in response to his latest post.

for gh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_Proof)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Common law ≠ mafia games.

For all the time you've spent dodging and avoiding my allegations, it could have been time actually responding to them.

[scotchedpommes]

Lynch him and worry about such things later.

[CountArach]

I'm considering it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

God, just cause I had you two killed there's no reason to be miffy.

[Csargo]

Hmmm I maybe acting strange, but there's a couple of zombies that really want you dead. :laugh4:

I've spent the last 20 minutes trying to read this thread, and I can't get into the chat. :bigcry:

[Csargo]

Yet again I've missed all the discussion. :sad:

[Twilightblade]

Ive done that sooo many times i cant find an opening to post in

[CountArach]

Then what are your thoughts thus far Twilightblade?

[Tran]

Bah! By lynching me the townies have chosen to seal their own fate...especially all folks who had deliberately voted me...

Kudos to Sasaki for doing the right thing, may he survive the madness...

**shoots the crowd and runs as fast as possible into the nearby forest**

[Csargo]

Bah! By lynching me the townies have chosen to seal their own fate...especially all folks who had deliberately voted me...

Kudos to Sasaki for doing the right thing, may he survive the madness...

**shoots the crowd and runs as fast as possible into the nearby forest**

You tried to bandwagon me...:inquisitive:

[HughTower]

Bah! By lynching me the townies have chosen to seal their own fate...especially all folks who had deliberately voted me...

Kudos to Sasaki for doing the right thing, may he survive the madness...

**shoots the crowd and runs as fast as possible into the nearby forest**

Who are you suggesting accidentally voted for you?

Re: the townie defending themselves thing.

Of course, we want people to defend themselves against accusations & lynch votes - that's one of the core reasons for putting a lynch vote on somone. BUT, trying only to stay 'alive' by tactically voting someone to save yourself is not helpful, & merely makes you look more guilty. In Tran's case, his refusal to put forward a coherent defense & his tactical voting resulted in his lynching.

Right, I think some of the quiet 'uns should come foward & say 'Hi'. Myrdd? Ignoramus? Deathfire? Is anyone home?

[RoadKill]

God, just cause I had you two killed there's no reason to be miffy.

Did you mean? that you got GH and the other dude killed?

[Kommodus]

Day 2


As the people of Gisenyi once again gathered in the grassy field south of town to convene the court of Gacaca, the confusion that permeated their discussion was even greater than on the previous afternoon. Back then it had been simple – the Interahamwe, the great enemy of peace and reconciliation in Rwanda, had carried its guerilla war into their midst. This had been bad, of course, but at least it was a familiar enemy – one that they knew how to deal with.

The knowledge (or suspicion) the well-known terror group was not responsible for the recent deaths thrust them into darkness and ignorance. What monsters had infiltrated their town? Even the means used to kill were shrouded in mystery. Rumors and speculation were rife – a serial killer, a group of mercenaries, or perhaps a criminal organization. None of this, however, prepared them for the announcement made by the mayor just as the proceedings began.

“My friends,” he said, “If we are to defeat this threat we face, I must ask each of you for full disclosure. Keep back nothing that you know, no matter how insignificant it may seem. In that spirit, I have something to tell you.”

He reached into his shirt pocket and drew out a folded sheet of paper. Unfolding it, he continued.

“So far you have seen only the mysterious rock messages. However, it seems the individual leaving them has given me a little more information. I found this in my office this morning. Unfortunately we have no clues as to its author, but perhaps it will help in our investigations.” He looked down and began to read.


“The organization attacking you is known as the Cosa Nuova, a rogue branch of the Mafia. They are very dangerous and must be dealt with as quickly as possible. I will provide more information when I have it. Signed, a friend.”

The mayor folded up the paper and returned it to his shirt pocket. “My staff has done some research since then,” he said. “The Cosa Nuova is a criminal political organization. Whatever they are here for, it goes far beyond simple killing and terror.” Shaking his head gravely, he said, “Friends, for the first time in my life I wish we were dealing with the Interahamwe.”

As on the previous night, he melted into the circle of people, signifying that the proceedings were now open.

The knowledge of this new threat appeared to redirect the focus of the discussions. This time the focus was on villagers who appeared to exhibit suspicious behavior – and especially those who were relative newcomers to the town. One such individual, a man named Tran, found himself the target of a veritable inquisition. It was his behavior during Gacaca itself that drew the ire of his countrymen.

“I’m not familiar with the customs here!” he tried to explain. “I was asked to come here and help achieve justice. That’s all I’m doing, I swear!”

His pleadings, however, met only with disapproving glares from the people. He was accused of inconsistencies, of lies, and of deliberately attempting to see to it that innocent people were lynched.

For a time suspicion was also thrown in other directions, but at last it became clear that Tran was the popular choice as the guilty party. As he was forced into the center of the circle and a machete was prepared, he at last accepted his fate.

Mayor Rwigema gave the signal, and Tran was forced to his knees. “Is there anything else you wish to say before the end, Tran?” he asked.

Tran simply gazed up at the sky fatalistically. “Why is it that, when faced with a terrible external threat, people turn against their own?” he mused to no one in particular. “The very powers of the universe, it seems, are against us.”

He became silent, and the machete stroke fell. For the second straight night, the Gacaca court was concluded.

Vote Count

Tran: 5 (CountArach, greaterkhaan, HughTower, sapi, Stig)

Ichigo: 3 (discovery1, pevergreen, Tran)

CountArach: 2 (Destroyer of Hope, Ichigo)

Caius Flaminius: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)

Dutch_guy: 1 (RoadKill)

greaterkhaan: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

Myrddraal: 1 (Caius Flaminius) (P.S. Use the correct voting procedures please! I don’t automatically know what RVTL means.)

Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Kagemusha)

TwilightBlade: 1 (Killfr3nzy)

Not Voting: 10 (AndresTheCunning, Dutch_guy, Ignoramus, Motep, Myrddraal, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, TwilightBlade, Warmaster Horus, Xdeathfire, Xehh II)

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko

Lynched

Warluster
Tran

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Destroyer of Hope
discovery1
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Ichigo
Ignoramus
Kagemusha
Killfr3nzy
Motep
Myrddraal
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Xehh II

[TevashSzat]

It seems that I have yet missed another voting session, but my computer is now fixed :2thumbsup: and I'll starting participating now

[Crazed Rabbit]

Killed again, am I?

I tire of being killed in the first (or second) round, so I swear vengeance against whoever the mafia in this game is!

In this life or - well, in the next life, I shall have my revenge.

Crazed Rabbit

[Twilightblade]

Then what are your thoughts thus far Twilightblade?

My thoughts are that every time i log on there are about 3 new pages to read and i cant see the poing of 40% of the posts. other than that i agree with what has happened

[Csargo]

My thoughts are that every time i log on there are about 3 new pages to read and i cant see the poing of 40% of the posts. other than that i agree with what has happened

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Sorry I couldn't help myself. :shame: :sweatdrop:

[pevergreen]

Im sorry Twilightblade, that really isnt good enough.

[TevashSzat]

Well, that is at least better than the first one I was in. Everyone was in a different time zone from me so everytime i get on, there is at least 6-7 pages minimum and thats just in 1 day...

[Csargo]

Well, that is at least better than the first one I was in. Everyone was in a different time zone from me so everytime i get on, there is at least 6-7 pages minimum and thats just in 1 day...

We haven't even gotten started yet:beam: :computer:

[CountArach]

My thoughts are that every time i log on there are about 3 new pages to read and i cant see the poing of 40% of the posts. other than that i agree with what has happened

Both pever and I go through the same thing.

[sapi]

Join the club mate :no:

[pevergreen]

and Killfr3nzy, yet most of us still manage to do things.

[Kommodus]

Gah! So sorry about the delay, guys. Easter holiday and all that.

I'll have to post the night 3 writeup tomorrow.

[Sigurd]

Take it away, Sigurd.
I guess greaterkhaan haven't heard about the curse?

In many of the previous games third on the bandwagon = Mafioso.
All new mafiosi fall in this trap, heck even GH fell in it.
Should this be enough to put a vote on greaterkhaan? if it turns out greaterkhaan is Mafioso in this game, I want it put in the dictionary alongside the curse of Kagemusha.

And what are these people doing?

Dutch_guy
Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
TwilightBlade
Xdeathfire
They are in danger of getting WoG'ed. They have all two abstains and need only one more to be expelled from the game. It is NOT three in a row that counts. It is three abstains total.
Damn people 6 kills in one go is ONLY good news to the Mafia.

[Tran]

Voices from the dead: Thou will suffer and never know thy enemy!

[Dutch_guy]

...

Yes, you are right. Having 6 people go in one round is way to good a break for the mafia, it's 4 free night kills and two free lynches - a nice bargain.

However, no damage done yet - the simple solution is of course us actually voting next round.

:balloon2:

[Killfr3nzy]

Well Twilight will probably vote, but I dunno how much luck we'll have with the others.

[sapi]

And anyone who suddenly jumps in and starts voting is suspicious, as they'd have to be following the thread to know it was time to do so, raising doubts over why they haven't already voted

[Dutch_guy]

And anyone who suddenly jumps in and starts voting is suspicious, as they'd have to be following the thread to know it was time to do so, raising doubts over why they haven't already voted

Any townie would rather arouse suspicion than needlessly give the town a harder time - by getting WOGed.

:balloon2:

[Warmaster Horus]

And, sapi, I don't need to remind you that this is Mafia. Anyone who votes is suspicious. Anyone who doesn't vote is suspicious.
Dutch_guy, if a townie rouses suspicion, he's likely to get lynched. 1 useless lynch (and two more Mafia kills afterward) compared to 6 WOGs may seem better at the start, but at the end, it doesn't really help. Especially if afterwards there is a WOG event.

[Xehh II]

What part of the game is it? Night or day? See, I haven't been near a computer to vote and i've missed part of the game. Now I have no clue what's going on.

[Csargo]

What part of the game is it? Night or day? See, I haven't been near a computer to vote and i've missed part of the game. Now I have no clue what's going on.

Night

[Kommodus]

Night 3


To this day, most of Rwanda’s population sustains itself by subsistence farming; understandably, the majority of them live below the poverty line and many regularly experience the effects of hunger. The town of Gisenyi had not been exempted from this pitiful condition, as it struggled alongside the rest of the country with the after-effects of the genocide.

One man for whom this concern did not exist, however, was discovery1. An ex-member of the RPF, he had managed to secure a large portion of land during the overthrow of the former government. The possibilities of this capital had not been lost on him, and he had soon managed to establish a successful coffee plantation on his property. Some of the little town’s population, as well as many from the surrounding rural areas, were employed there, and their steady labor provided discovery1 with a comfortable flow of cash, the profits of the exported crop.

Fond as he was of the coffee his land produced, discovery1 actually preferred a finer drink with his dinner most evenings. The common banana wine produced by the native land had an admitted charm to it, but a man of means could afford more expensive imports yet. On the evening following the ghastly business at the second Gacaca in as many nights, he was alone in his multi-story stone manor, sipping a glass of Chateau Margaux.

As he drank by the dim electrical lighting, he pondered the recent events. Four deaths were not terribly disturbing in themselves; he had kept his organization intact through worse bouts of violence. However, the presence of a powerful criminal syndicate could spell trouble for business. Could it be time to relocate to a more lucrative and less risky environment?

Of course, thoughts of personal safety remained far from his mind; his personal security force was well-equipped, well trained, and ever vigilant. Thus he was taken by surprise when, without so much as a knock, the door to his study swung open and a man strode inside.

Discovery1 gasped, sputtered, and cast about for a weapon. “What in heaven’s name are you doing here?!” he shouted, placing a chair between himself and the intruder. “And how did you get past my guards?”

The man seemed utterly unperturbed by discovery1’s reaction. He walked nonchalantly to a chair in the room and sat down. Discovery1 noticed his dress – completely black yet casual. He wore no mask or disguise of any kind.

“My friend, there is no cause for alarm,” the man said. “I merely wish to discuss a proposition with you… in private. Your guards will wake up in a couple of hours. I needed to make sure we wouldn’t be disturbed.”

Discovery1 sat down warily, still glancing about for something sharp or heavy. Unfortunately nothing presented itself, and he decided that words might be his best weapon.

“Very well,” he said. “I’ll pretend for a moment you aren’t breaking and entering. I’m a reasonable man; let’s hear this proposition of yours.”

The man in black began speaking. “My friend, I am a man not entirely unlike you. We both know that when a task of any significance must be attempted, many hands must often be enlisted. You are a clever businessman, discovery1 – you’ve built a significant empire in an unforgiving land. The organization I work for has need of men like you.”

“Just to be clear,” discovery1 interrupted, “Would this organization happen to be the one responsible for the recent string of deaths?” He began to suspect that some kind of extortion scheme was afoot. No problem; this he could deal with.

The man shrugged. “Insignificant, as you yourself know. And no, I am not here for your money. It is your mind we have need of.”

So… he was being recruited? The brazen way in which the man was going about it seemed slightly disturbing. Discovery1 shook his head. “I’m afraid that’s not the business I’m in,” he said. “The profits are never worth the long-term risk.”

The man in black smiled at this. “You are intelligent, my friend, but our aim is more far-sighted than simple profits. Nevertheless, I suspected you would respond thus. But perhaps I should’ve been clearer at first – your participation is not being requested. You have, in fact, already volunteered.”

“What?” discovery1 asked, highly confused. “What do you mean, I’ve volunteered?” However, it was at that moment that he felt a terrible pain in his head. He screamed, clutched his head, and toppled out of the chair. “What did you do to me?” he cried.

“Never mind that,” said the man in black, getting up. He walked over to discovery1’s desk and lifted the mostly-empty glass of wine. Swirling it a bit, he sniffed it. “Good choice,” he remarked. “1908, if I’m not mistaken? Anyway, it appears the presence of the nanites is completely undetectable. Good.”

Discovery1 had already lost consciousness. The man in black whipped out a small PDA and began monitoring the readouts. He remained there for about an hour, watching. Then, shaking his head sadly, he abandoned his vigil, got up, and slipped out into the darkness.

…

Very early in the morning – perhaps 3 am – another man crept silently through the jungle east of town. Kagemusha again checked the sight on his rifle, making sure it was properly aligned. The game he was hunting would probably only allow him one shot. To miss could very well prove deadly.

Not an inherently dishonest man, Kage would have much preferred a less risky career; perhaps the life of a business man. He allowed himself one moment of envy as he considered discovery1’s coffee plantation, then shrugged it off. Not everyone could be so fortunate as to be in the right place at the right time. Everyone found their own way to survive and, if possible, thrive. The life of subsistence farming was certainly not an appealing prospect to Kagemusha. The anti-poaching officials, not to mention the belligerent nature of his quarry, were an ever-present threat, but no threat could be more potent than poverty and hunger.

Suddenly, he noticed movement in the bushes about 50 yards ahead. Squinting through the sights on his rifle, he became sure – he had spotted his target!

The massive black rhinoceros was chewing leaves contentedly. Having been recently reintroduced to Rwanda, the species remained critically endangered. Kagemusha did his best to forget this as he stared covetously at the two large, fully-formed horns. The price they would fetch would easily justify this transgression.

He took careful aim. The animal remained still. A shot rang out through the jungle, and the rhino, pierced through the brain, slumped to the ground.

Kagemusha quickly raced to his kill. If anyone had heard the shot – a definite possibility – he didn’t have long. Producing a sharp saw from his pack, he went to work expertly, and within five minutes had removed both horns. He shoved these into the pack and raced off into the jungle, breathing heavily yet rejoicing in his heart.

At last he neared the village. Deciding to refresh himself, he stopped at a clear pool of water where he had rested many times before. Dropping his pack and rifle, he stripped off his clothes and waded into the water.

He had dipped his head under the surface only a few times when he noticed something that had not been there before. The carcass of an old black cow was laying at the edge of the pool, partially immersed in the water. Disgusted, he leapt out of the pool. What might that cow have been infected with, he wondered? Looking down at his legs, he grimaced – several black leeches had attached themselves to his skin.

Lacking salt or matches, Kagemusha did the only thing he could do – he reached down and pulled the leeches off, one at a time. It hurt a bit, but wasn’t too bothersome. He swiftly dressed himself, picked up his rifle and pack, and headed for home.

He had only made it about a half mile when his head suddenly exploded in pain. He cried out and fell to the ground as his mind raced for an explanation – what could this be a symptom of? What diseases or toxins might have been in the water?

He could never have guessed the truth, for he lost consciousness quickly. Within an hour, he was dead.

…

It was a pair of anti-poaching patrolmen who brought the body of Kagemusha back to Gisenyi early in the morning. They had picked up his tracks after all, though of course they were unable to discern the cause of death. It also didn’t take long for discovery1 to be found – his security guards, awaking to splitting headaches, contacted the town’s limited authorities immediately. It was obvious to everyone that the Cosa Nuova were still at large in Gisenyi.

In addition, there was another mysterious message spelled out in stones, in the same place it had been on the previous two days. This message read:

THREE ENEMIES. GUARD YOUR MINDS.

The villagers were puzzled as to what this meant. Stoically, they prepared for the evening, when Gacaca would surely be convened once again.

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1

Lynched

Warluster
Tran

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Ichigo
Ignoramus
Killfr3nzy
Motep
Myrddraal
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Xehh II

Note: Guys, I'm really sorry it took me so long to get these up. As I said, the holiday schedule got in the way. I'll be more prompt in the future.

[discovery1]

Weak. Now I can't jump on the bandwagon smilie. Pity I wasn't drinking Jager, that would have fried those nanites.

[Csargo]

Vote:greaterkhaan

Bad feeling about that one. An LSD addicted werewolf would kill people, right?

[Lord Winter]

vote: ichigo

It seems you've been joking a bit more then ussal this round and i have to admit some of the deaths do sound like you.

[Csargo]

vote: ichigo

It seems you've been joking a bit more then ussal this round and i have to admit some of the deaths do sound like you.

Where?

[Lord Winter]

Where?


Bad feeling about that one. An LSD addicted werewolf would kill people, right?
For one, Just an feeling I've been getting.

[Csargo]

Bad feeling about that one. An LSD addicted werewolf would kill people, right?


For one, Just an feeling I've been getting.

Similar, no?

[Csargo]

Anyone else find it strange that Sasaki looks at this thread, but doesn't post in it?

[Stig]

I get the feeling the mafia are led by someone experienced, but not as experienced as Sasaki or Ichigo. By now quite some mafia veterans have been killed, and they will normally draw one or two votes to them.

I'll keep my vote for the first one with two abstains to vote.

[Csargo]

Might as well post why I voted khaan...


Thanks for the advice, this is my first mafia game, so I'm still a little new to the whole thing. I liked the reasoning you stated, it seemed solid. However, you seem to know a lot about it, so, by your own reasoning, you're kind of incriminating yourself. However, I don't think any half-smart mafia would do so.
Vote: Myrddraal

Voting using someone else's logic means they don't have to choose someone who they actually find suspicious. They just go along with the other person not really giving little if any of there own reasoning behind it.



What I meant to say was: If the Mafiosi choose to target only one player one night, it would seem like they have successfully converted one as there will be only one kill that night.
This would be a tactic to hide their numbers. Every night there is only one or no kill description we have to assume that the mafia has increased in numbers.
That could complicate things. Of course, I have to wonder if you may have just given the mafia the idea to do just that. Perhaps they hadn't thought of it, and you may have just given them another tool.(although I'll presume you did so accidentally, for now)

:dizzy2: Don't you think they probably would have already thought of that? It's kind of a waste to do since there will be some townies that can actually be converted. So in doing that they would probably just waste one of there kills in implementing it. I doubt Sigurd would have posted that if he thought it would some how aid the mafia, but I don't want to go there. WIFOM


Vote: Tran

I don't like the idea of you voting for someone just because you want them to squirm or because you didn't like how they acted in a previous game. That's why I'm voting you.

Kinda contradicts your first vote a little don't you think? You voted Myrd because of Sigurd's reasoning which was:

If we should follow the suggestion of Andres, we could almost assume that one of the Mafiosi has played a few of our games to want GH on their team. Maybe a former mafia buddy? Ichigo and Myrddraal pops to my mind

It may not be exact, but it's still using information from an old game to fuel a vote.:shocked:

[Xehh II]

VOTE:sasaki

[Csargo]

VOTE:sasaki

May I ask why?

[Andres]

I'm back :2thumbsup:

Well, Sasaki, you said in the first round that your innocence would be proven in the second round. When questioned thoroughly by GeneralHankerchief, you avoided to give a straight answer. Now you are still there and yet, your innocence hasn't been proven...

Vote : Sasaki

I didn't like to see how you avoided GH's questions. Are you insinuating to have a special role to avoid a lynching?

[CountArach]

Vote: Sasaki

See the last day. he was adamant to avoid being lynched. If he can provide the evidence he is innocent, I shall unvote. Otherwise...

[Stig]

Vote: CA
I could also have voted for Xehh II for giving no reason, but CA simply jumps on the bandwagon

[pevergreen]

Holy blarg.

I think i've just unraveled something...

[sapi]

I'm not going to vote for Sasaki until he has a chance to defend himself, but I'd like to hear his take on events which is currently surprisingly absent

[Tran]

It seems even people in this game are infected as well with the "let's bandwagon Sasaki" syndrome :laugh4:

[sapi]

Well, he does seem to have that effect on people :grin2:

[Andres]

Well, he does seem to have that effect on people :grin2:

Well, he asked for it by stating in round 1 that his innocence would be proven in the next round. This statement was followed by refusing to do so and avoiding clear and simple questions asked by GH (who is proven innocent btw) in said next round...

If he truly has a special pro-town role, all he has to do is revealing it :juggle:

[sapi]

Hang on - when was GH proven innocent?

[Kagemusha]

Gah!Poisoned by the dirty Mafia scum. I hope you will suffer an slow and painfull death for this!:whip:

[Andres]

Hang on - when was GH proven innocent?

He got killed night 1...

[Andres]

VOTE:sasaki

Why?

[Stig]

Why?
You could have asked that hours ago? Why only now?

[Killfr3nzy]

You could have asked that hours ago? Why only now?
He just noticed it amongst all the random posts?

Vote Count (as of #586)
Sasaki - 3 (Xehh II, Andres, CountA)
Greaterkhaan - 1 (Ichigo)
Ichigo - 1 (DoH)

Also, I think Sasaki is absent or something. Haven't seen him post in a while. Anyone know anything?
Also, here's hoping the Curse of Kagemusha comes into affect soon!

[Andres]

You could have asked that hours ago? Why only now?

Because I'm already 29... My brain isn't what it used to be :shame:

[Stig]

Because I'm already 29... My brain isn't what it used to be :shame:
heheh, as if mine is.
Must be something, dunno what


~:cheers:

[Caius]

Nmd, it seems Ichigo is framed

[Andres]

Nmd, it seems Ichigo is framed

Why do you think that?

[Stig]

Nmd, it seems Ichigo is framed
interesting. Why?

gah Andres

[Caius]

Why do you think that?
Just a relation between the vote of disco.(Which he voted Ichigo,)

1 of 2:Ichigo is being framed
2:Ichigo killed disco because he is more likely he(disco) will vote he(Cihgo).

[HughTower]

Holy blarg.

I think i've just unraveled something...

What? Your sweater in comedy cartoon fashion? Or your tongue like a chameleon, perhaps?

:spammer:


Nmd, it seems Ichigo is framed

What does this mean? It's like the Rosetta Stone round here at the mo'. EDIT: CF, just seen your post explaining this. Thanks. EDIT


I'm not going to vote for Sasaki until he has a chance to defend himself, but I'd like to hear his take on events which is currently surprisingly absent

followed by this insightful gem...


Hang on - when was GH proven innocent?

So you're demanding that Sasaki defends himself by providing you with a 'take on events'? May I ask what your take is? Or do you think you might be a little over-reliant on Sasaki to provide you with a regular news digest so you can keep up with important info like GH's murder in round 1?

Or, perhaps, you just like gently going with the anti-Sasaki flow because it suits you to skulk there? Just like you went with the lynch vote I put down on Tran in the last voting round (linky) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1494520&postcount=432)- it provided you with some cover & also the opportunity to retaliate against someone that had voted against you.

So, sapi, why are you skulking so? Is it because you are Cosa Nuova?

Vote: sapi

[Csargo]

I'm back

Well, Sasaki, you said in the first round that your innocence would be proven in the second round. When questioned thoroughly by GeneralHankerchief, you avoided to give a straight answer. Now you are still there and yet, your innocence hasn't been proven...

Vote : Sasaki

I didn't like to see how you avoided GH's questions. Are you insinuating to have a special role to avoid a lynching?


Vote: Sasaki

See the last day. he was adamant to avoid being lynched. If he can provide the evidence he is innocent, I shall unvote. Otherwise...

Maybe the Detective? Just a thought.:computer:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Seems a little thin so far.

I'd like to hear Sapi and Ichi answer their detractors.

Sasaki, you are quieter than typical, no?

[Csargo]

Seems a little thin so far.

I'd like to hear Sapi and Ichi answer their detractors.

Sasaki, you are quieter than typical, no?

Who's my detractors and where are their questions?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Everyone join the Sasaki bandwagon!!! Follow the smilies...

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Pity Disco can't join. Oh well...

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And the reasoning:

Okay, here we go:

Post 151 Sasaki FoS's me for going after Caius with the invisibility issue. Nevermind the fact that I have profile-watched many times before, most notably in Cosa Nuova I.

When I ask numerous times for a reason, at first he dodges the question:


Well I suppose I shouldn't say.

And then later gives a response along the lines of "I dunno, it's just a gut feeling."


You just...the way you phrase things, your choice of words, the things you say. No other word for it but suspicious.

After that, I use the sarcasm defense, probably thinking my time in Cosa Nuova is done (only by lynching) and he playfully role-fishes.


Now that's sarcasm. What is your secret and nefarious motive behind using sarcasm?

Four hours later, the Night One kills go up, it's me and BlackAxe who bite it. Judging by the description of the kills, it's clear that I was attempted to be recruited.

Sasaki's initial reaction to the kills is:


GH is usually pissed when killed round one.

Implying that he was aware of this before, therefore he wouldn't remove me first in fear that I would play with a vengeance.

Since he had gone after me more than usual in the pre-Night One phase, combined with the fact that I was attempted to be recruited first and the fact that he subtly distanced himself from my kill, I believe that his initial persecution of me was a set-up and an alibi, and he had planned to recruit me from early on. Unfortunately, this plan failed.

Over the course of the first round, Sasaki is a bit more goofy and less serious than usual:


This of course proves my innocence without question.


*summons bandwagon*

Meanwhile, he begins to ignore others who are questioning him, and Andres calls him out on it:


@Sasaki: why are you ignoring my comments on your behaviour?

He eventually responds to Andres, but then when he realizes the Stig wagon isn't picking up steam, he quite obviously changes it to Warluster, with the explanation of:


bandwagons are good.

This is a 180 from his previous position. Look back to The Godfather 2, when he was accusing myself, Myrddraal, and Sigurd of being in the mafia (Myrd and I were guilty):


Also, if you read back over the thread, those three have started almost all the bandwagons.

Now, I admit that starting small, weak bandwagons have always been part of his strategy, but this is not a small, weak bandwagon. He wants Warluster lynched, plain and simple.

He attacks DoH for voting Sasaki (joining his bandwagon) but not the numerous people voting for Warluster, following his lead, which is in violation of his rule:


The reason wagons are good is that we can ask the people on them questions. There's little to debate if people just spread out their votes.

Apparently, this only applies to certain wagons.

And then, of course, we get the post:


I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.

Four days later and we're still waiting. Obviously a stalling tactic to stay alive. Much like TV shows promising resolutions to cliffhangers if viewers keep watching.

Later, in response to his bandwagoning:


um yes. Those people were all willing to bandwagon. From their posts we may sometime later be able to judge why.

Note to self: Leave these bandwagoners alive.

You may ask yourself, however, why Sasaki is constantly creating discussion and the like if he was mafia. Mainly, because people were unanimously harping about being more active after the disaster that was Ichigo's game. Obviously, the same strategy wouldn't work twice in a row.

Starts getting short with rdece and pretty much ignoring his comments:


:confused: https://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6563/emotiiamvg1.gif :confused:

Meanwhile, people start to wonder why Sasaki will be able to prove his innocence.

Post 281:


May I ask how?

Post 295:


@Sasaki: why will you be proven innocent by tomorrow?

Ignored for over a hundred posts until DoH brings it up again:


Also sasski, your still my number one suspect. So why don't you show us your proof of inocence?

Funny how in Post 418 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1494355&postcount=418) Sasaki responds to two parts of DoH's quote but purposely cuts out the quoted bit asking for proof of innocence.

Sasaki stays out of the Tran discussion for the most part, only saying that the two people voting for him aren't really doing it seriously.

Finally:


fos:Kage for lurking.

Convenient that there are plenty of other lurkers around but he FoS's the one that happens to vote for him.


No townies should be willing to get lynched.

I've already expressed my feelings on this.


Can you prove your innocence?

This game would be easy if all the townies could prove their innocence upon request.

Completely ignoring the fact that he stated that he could prove his innocence and failed to upon numerous requests. DoH and I call him out on it again:


Speaking of which...


Seconded, Sasski If your plan failed at least explain how, if not then put forward your proof. Your looking scummy right now.

Sasaki continues to ignore it...


Well, now someone is voting you (DoH). If you keep voting tran instead of trying to prove your innocence, are you going to have to vote yourself?

I call him out on it yet again, but this is his only response:


Oh was that on me? I thought it was on "Sasski".

Continuing to slither out of revealing it...


It's possible gamebreaking. So I'd rather not mention it.


On the contrary, I have no intention of lamely proving my innocence any sooner than necessary.

I'll just pull the old "I would have been investigated already" ploy.

Then, he changes the argument:


Actually, if you bother to check I have quite often said townies should do their utmost to defend myself and have done so.

I'm not going to check because THERE'S NOTHING TO CHECK FOR. If you can find one unedited post of you saying that in an earlier game when you were innocent, I will drop this part of the accusation.


Vote:greaterkhaan

Bandwagon vote using others reasoning. His response to my questions is very accomodating, but I'm inclined to see that as a mafia tell rather than a town tell.

Gah! So you're voting him because he... responded to your accusation?!

Finally, he puts some teeth into his defense and Sasaki pointlessly unvotes him after the lynch round is over.


A late unvote:greaterkhan in response to his latest post.

I don't know about this. Sasaki's been known to go after his mafia counterparts in a quick strike and then let them off the hook just as quickly.

Also in that post was a link directing me to the Wikipedia article entitled "Burden of Proof," implying that I needed proof when accusing someone.

I think the parallels between real life law and mafia law stop when people are brought to justice by an angry lynch mob and not a professional team of law enforcement officials.

However, it is, once again, a post that does not contain the information that proves his innocence.

If you have a role, then reveal it. You've done enough scummy things in this game where it's necessary to do it earlier than you would have wished. It will help the rest of us out knowing you've been telling the truth, and you may even find a doctor protecting you in the later rounds.

However, I highly doubt this. I think that after this round, the town will have lynched one mafioso, assuming they follow my advice and go after you.


-edit- Also, I told a few chatters to join the Sasaki bandwagon yesterday, Disco being one of them. I wonder if he was killed to take some steam out of it.

[Csargo]

Everyone join the Sasaki bandwagon!!! Follow the smilies...

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Pity Disco can't join. Oh well...

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And the reasoning:

Okay, here we go:

Post 151 Sasaki FoS's me for going after Caius with the invisibility issue. Nevermind the fact that I have profile-watched many times before, most notably in Cosa Nuova I.

When I ask numerous times for a reason, at first he dodges the question:




And then later gives a response along the lines of "I dunno, it's just a gut feeling."



After that, I use the sarcasm defense, probably thinking my time in Cosa Nuova is done (only by lynching) and he playfully role-fishes.



Four hours later, the Night One kills go up, it's me and BlackAxe who bite it. Judging by the description of the kills, it's clear that I was attempted to be recruited.

Sasaki's initial reaction to the kills is:



Implying that he was aware of this before, therefore he wouldn't remove me first in fear that I would play with a vengeance.

Since he had gone after me more than usual in the pre-Night One phase, combined with the fact that I was attempted to be recruited first and the fact that he subtly distanced himself from my kill, I believe that his initial persecution of me was a set-up and an alibi, and he had planned to recruit me from early on. Unfortunately, this plan failed.

Over the course of the first round, Sasaki is a bit more goofy and less serious than usual:





Meanwhile, he begins to ignore others who are questioning him, and Andres calls him out on it:



He eventually responds to Andres, but then when he realizes the Stig wagon isn't picking up steam, he quite obviously changes it to Warluster, with the explanation of:



This is a 180 from his previous position. Look back to The Godfather 2, when he was accusing myself, Myrddraal, and Sigurd of being in the mafia (Myrd and I were guilty):



Now, I admit that starting small, weak bandwagons have always been part of his strategy, but this is not a small, weak bandwagon. He wants Warluster lynched, plain and simple.

He attacks DoH for voting Sasaki (joining his bandwagon) but not the numerous people voting for Warluster, following his lead, which is in violation of his rule:



Apparently, this only applies to certain wagons.

And then, of course, we get the post:



Four days later and we're still waiting. Obviously a stalling tactic to stay alive. Much like TV shows promising resolutions to cliffhangers if viewers keep watching.

Later, in response to his bandwagoning:



Note to self: Leave these bandwagoners alive.

You may ask yourself, however, why Sasaki is constantly creating discussion and the like if he was mafia. Mainly, because people were unanimously harping about being more active after the disaster that was Ichigo's game. Obviously, the same strategy wouldn't work twice in a row.

Starts getting short with rdece and pretty much ignoring his comments:



Meanwhile, people start to wonder why Sasaki will be able to prove his innocence.

Post 281:



Post 295:



Ignored for over a hundred posts until DoH brings it up again:



Funny how in Post 418 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1494355&postcount=418) Sasaki responds to two parts of DoH's quote but purposely cuts out the quoted bit asking for proof of innocence.

Sasaki stays out of the Tran discussion for the most part, only saying that the two people voting for him aren't really doing it seriously.

Finally:



Convenient that there are plenty of other lurkers around but he FoS's the one that happens to vote for him.



I've already expressed my feelings on this.



Completely ignoring the fact that he stated that he could prove his innocence and failed to upon numerous requests. DoH and I call him out on it again:





Sasaki continues to ignore it...



I call him out on it yet again, but this is his only response:



Continuing to slither out of revealing it...





Then, he changes the argument:



I'm not going to check because THERE'S NOTHING TO CHECK FOR. If you can find one unedited post of you saying that in an earlier game when you were innocent, I will drop this part of the accusation.



Gah! So you're voting him because he... responded to your accusation?!

Finally, he puts some teeth into his defense and Sasaki pointlessly unvotes him after the lynch round is over.



I don't know about this. Sasaki's been known to go after his mafia counterparts in a quick strike and then let them off the hook just as quickly.

Also in that post was a link directing me to the Wikipedia article entitled "Burden of Proof," implying that I needed proof when accusing someone.

I think the parallels between real life law and mafia law stop when people are brought to justice by an angry lynch mob and not a professional team of law enforcement officials.

However, it is, once again, a post that does not contain the information that proves his innocence.

If you have a role, then reveal it. You've done enough scummy things in this game where it's necessary to do it earlier than you would have wished. It will help the rest of us out knowing you've been telling the truth, and you may even find a doctor protecting you in the later rounds.

However, I highly doubt this. I think that after this round, the town will have lynched one mafioso, assuming they follow my advice and go after you.


-edit- Also, I told a few chatters to join the Sasaki bandwagon yesterday, Disco being one of them. I wonder if he was killed to take some steam out of it.

Must resist the smilie.....:bigcry:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ichigo:

I was referring to Destro's vote. You replied, but not in a lot of detail. I did not mean to say you were ignoring things.


In light of the General's case against Sasaki, I think it is more important to focus there.

Comments Kojiro-san?

[Csargo]

Ichigo:

I was referring to Destro's vote. You replied, but not in a lot of detail. I did not mean to say you were ignoring things.


In light of the General's case against Sasaki, I think it is more important to focus there.

Comments Kojiro-san?

I'm just trying to make the game fun. His second part well I don't see how it would.

[seireikhaan]

Unless he can answer some of these questions, I will vote: Sasaki

First, as already said, you've not proven your innocence as you claimed you would several days ago. As GH pointed out, you've been dodging the question for some time now. Why? Also, you voted for me because I defended myself, only to withdraw the vote AFTER the lynching. What was that about?

And where are you? I, along with many others, would like to hear a response.

[Csargo]

Unless he can answer some of these questions, I will vote: Sasaki

First, as already said, you've not proven your innocence as you claimed you would several days ago. As GH pointed out, you've been dodging the question for some time now. Why? Also, you voted for me because I defended myself, only to withdraw the vote AFTER the lynching. What was that about?

And where are you? I, along with many others, would like to hear a response.

Yet again not using your own reasoning.

[Andres]

Sasaki got lynched in Mafia VI as a townie. I was one of the main "prosecutors" then... But I was also mafia in that game...

However, this will not keep me from sticking to my vote for Sasaki. Don't think I will unvote you because you lurk yet again. You won't survive another round without revealing and you shouldn't complain about being forced to reveal your pro-town role, you only have to thank/blame yourself for that. You could have expected it since you insinuated your pro-town role in the first round to avoid getting lynched. You cannot expect to stay alive through the whole game after that first round insinuation.

It's simple my friend: reveal or get lynched.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sasaki got lynched in Mafia VI as a townie. I was one of the main "prosecutors" then... But I was also mafia in that game...

However, this will not keep me from sticking to my vote for Sasaki.

You insinuated to have a pro-town role in the first round to avoid getting lynched. If you truly have a pro-town role, it wasn't the smartest thing to do that early in the game and you could have expected to be forced to reveal.

It's simple my friend: reveal or get lynched.

Don't worry, this time he's a mafioso.

Along with greaterkhaan and one other person who will remain nameless now until I collect more information on him.

[seireikhaan]

Yet again not using your own reasoning.

Hmm, so should I invent some bs reason why I'm voting Sasaki? Those are MY reasons for voting, just because someone else posted them before I could manage to do so doesn't mean I ripped them off from them or that they are somehow less valid.

And if I may inquired, GH, what is your reasoning of accusing me?

[GeneralHankerchief]

And if I may inquired, GH, what is your reasoning of accusing me?

1. You fall for Sigurd's "Third on the Wagon" curse and unknowingly admit to doing so.

2. Sasaki takes a quick stab at you just to make everyone know that he's not ignoring you and then makes a point to clear you. He has done that before, but never that blatantly.

[Csargo]

Hmm, so should I invent some bs reason why I'm voting Sasaki? Those are MY reasons for voting, just because someone else posted them before I could manage to do so doesn't mean I ripped them off from them or that they are somehow less valid.

And if I may inquired, GH, what is your reasoning of accusing me?

Well this isn't the first time you've done it, plus you completely ignored my other post.

[Stig]

I'm not voting Sasaki, for the simple fact that I find the reasoning the kill him bad.

Next to that:

Unvote: CA
Vote: Dutch_guy, Ignoramus, Motep, Myrddraal, TwilightBlade, Xdeathfire

[Caius]

Vote:Dutch_Guy

He popped up, and he said something about lurkering, but its very probable he is the 3rd mafioso

[GeneralHankerchief]

No no no, get rid of the people we know first! Sasaki and Khaan!

[Sigurd]

vote: Andres

because he asked for it.

[Andres]

vote: Andres

because he asked for it.

:laugh4:

@Stig: I think Kommo will interprete that as not voting...

[Csargo]

No no no, get rid of the people we know first! Sasaki and Khaan!

Your bandwagon will roll on GH. Sasaki is too good a lynch for some people to pass up.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sorry all. A passenger pigeon flew in my window and chewed up my ethernet cord; I've been without a connection until just now.

[Csargo]

Sorry all. A passenger pigeon flew in my window and chewed up my ethernet cord; I've been without a connection until just now.

It's so crazy it just mighta happened:dizzy2:

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: Sasaki

Vote: Sasaki, Greaterkhaan, Count Arach, Pevergreen, and Destroyer of Hope.

According to GH, Sasaki's mafia. According to the curse, Greaterkhaan, CA, Pevergreen, and DoH are all mafia. After all, none of those infallible sources could be wrong, right? Yep, we've got 5 mafiosi on our hands, folks.:dizzy2:

Unvote: Greaterkhaan, Count Arach, Pevergreen, and Destroyer of Hope, returning me to Vote: Sasaki

Just wanted to point out the overall absurdity of the "curse." Really, how does one defend against that argument? I have already stated my reasons for last round's vote, and two people had already voted for the same person. Was I supposed to wait until someone else voted so that I wouldn't be "cursed?"

As for Sasaki's odd voting behaviour, I'm sure he'll explain now that he's back.

[CountArach]

It's so crazy it just mighta happened:dizzy2:

lol, would someone make that up?

[pevergreen]

i wouldnt.

Im waiting for confirmation. Then i might be sweet to prove something. Should be within 10 minutes.

[HughTower]

Sorry all. A passenger pigeon flew in my window and chewed up my ethernet cord; I've been without a connection until just now.

That made me spit tea out though my nose. :laugh4:

But, your recent post history seems to tell a different story. You've been posting every day - just not here. :no:

I think you need to answer GH's case against you. But then you know that already, I imagine.....

Unvote: sapi.

No point pressure voting him now with all this going on & I'll wait until Sasaki's refutation.

[pevergreen]

With this rule:

Unlike most other Mafia games on this forum, you may not quote the private messages I send to you. A lot of games, I think, have been negatively affected by too many quoted PMs. You must use your own eloquence to convince others of your case.

That means you can quote other peoples PM's?

[Csargo]

With this rule:

Unlike most other Mafia games on this forum, you may not quote the private messages I send to you. A lot of games, I think, have been negatively affected by too many quoted PMs. You must use your own eloquence to convince others of your case.

That means you can quote other peoples PM's?

I think that means Kommodus's PM's.

[Stig]

But, your recent post history seems to tell a different story. You've been posting every day - just not here.
Sasaki has only been on at 8:00 in the morning today (yesterday) GMT+2. So he couldn't have been posting anywhere else.

[Csargo]

Sasaki has only been on at 8:00 in the morning today (yesterday) GMT+2. So he couldn't have been posting anywhere else.

:yes: Sasaki is innocent as far as I know. :yes:

[Twilightblade]

Wow im gone for 2 days and now theres 5 or 6 new pages to read :sweatdrop:

[sapi]

So you're demanding that Sasaki defends himself by providing you with a 'take on events'? May I ask what your take is? Or do you think you might be a little over-reliant on Sasaki to provide you with a regular news digest so you can keep up with important info like GH's murder in round 1?

Or, perhaps, you just like gently going with the anti-Sasaki flow because it suits you to skulk there? Just like you went with the lynch vote I put down on Tran in the last voting round (linky)- it provided you with some cover & also the opportunity to retaliate against someone that had voted against you.

So, sapi, why are you skulking so? Is it because you are Cosa Nuova?

Vote: sapi:wall:

I really need to pay attention to the kill statistics before I post something like that :grin2:

Still, this seems awfully unlike Sasaki not to post; again I won't bandwagon him yet, because he can help the town, but I'd like to see his reply

Please?

[pevergreen]

I think hes offline, last activity was half an hour ago.

But there is this:

I started the game with a little joke in my mind. Make up a role, and see how it goes. so:



Right, I cant quote PM's, but my role makes me choose someone, and pretty much become a second hand of theirs. I protect them(something about new technology). But i become their sub-ordinate. I thought who better than Sasaki!

So basically i do what you do. Vote who you vote (but with my own "reasons")

I win if you stay alive, regardless of what side you are.

:bow:

May the alliance i forced you into benefit us both.

whoooaah interesting. Your reasons had better be good, people will notice we keep voting together. Is it just your final vote that has to be the same as mine? Or whenever you come on you change to who I'm voting? I jump around a lot...

Sasaki


Then i sent him this, inbetween was random conversation on the game. This PM was sent yesterday or so.

Im sure you are now.

You said your innocence would be proved by day 2. That means someone would attack you, since i stop people from killing you, it makes you look like a townie.

I reckon your mafia.

Ive been adhering to my "role" to try and figure out if he was mafia. Im now sure he is.

the edit added more outside quotes infomation

[Csargo]

:wall:

I really need to pay attention to the kill statistics before I post something like that :grin2:

Still, this seems awfully unlike Sasaki not to post; again I won't bandwagon him yet, because he can help the town, but I'd like to see his reply

Please?

Sasaki=innocent

[Stig]

Wow im gone for 2 days and now theres 5 or 6 new pages to read :sweatdrop:
I would vote if I were you

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I've just realized Passenger pigeons are supposed to be extinct. Before I head off to the zoo with my amazing discovery (I doubt I'll be able to return in time to respond to your posts), a few points.

NO ONE has made the slightest attempt at building a case against me. All we have here are a bunch of votes with no reasoning attached. For shame.

Vote:greaterkhaan

[pevergreen]

I've just realized Passenger pigeons are supposed to be extinct. Before I head off to the zoo with my amazing discovery (I doubt I'll be able to return in time to respond to your posts), a few points.

NO ONE has made the slightest attempt at building a case against me. All we have here are a bunch of votes with no reasoning attached. For shame.

Vote:greaterkhaan


I think hes offline, last activity was half an hour ago.

But there is this:

I started the game with a little joke in my mind. Make up a role, and see how it goes. so:




Then i sent him this, inbetween was random conversation on the game. This PM was sent yesterday or so.


Ive been adhering to my "role" to try and figure out if he was mafia. Im now sure he is.

the edit added more outside quotes infomation

:bow:

[Csargo]

Kill The Great Khaan!!!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ichigo:

I was referring to Destro's vote. You replied, but not in a lot of detail. I did not mean to say you were ignoring things.


In light of the General's case against Sasaki, I think it is more important to focus there.

Comments Kojiro-san?


You seem cautious.

[pevergreen]

Everyone wants to lynch khaan, why?

Look at Sasaki.

[Stig]

Pever you're wrong. Till just now Sasaki hadn't been on for 16 hours. So you can't take him down on not posting.


So we have 4 groups:
The Sasaki's: Everyone who believes Sasaki is innocent and joins him
The Anti-Sasaki's: Everyone who was with Sasaki first, but makes another bandwagon now, this time against Sasaki
The Lurkers: They are obvious and shouldn't have signed up
The Normal People: Everyone who just normally plays this game

[Csargo]

:bow:

I didn't even notice your post, or I would have killed Sasaki for sure!! :idea2:

[Csargo]

Everyone wants to lynch khaan, why?

Look at Sasaki.

Why do you want to lynch Sasaki so bad?

[pevergreen]

Ignore the fact he hasnt posted, its what is in the PM's

I convinced him that i could protect him from getting killed (on day 1) he said his innocence would be proven by day 2. He gets his mafia friends to attack me, but they convince him into thinking that i might be lying, stoping them from attacking me.

[Stig]

Unvote: The Lurkers
Vote: Myself
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I don't know what's happening anymore, this doesn't make sense

[Csargo]

Unvote: The Lurkers
Vote: Myself
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I don't know what's happening anymore, this doesn't make sense

I agree.

And pever that makes no sense. Sasaki was most likely talking about being investigated by the detective...

[seireikhaan]

I've just realized Passenger pigeons are supposed to be extinct. Before I head off to the zoo with my amazing discovery (I doubt I'll be able to return in time to respond to your posts), a few points.

NO ONE has made the slightest attempt at building a case against me. All we have here are a bunch of votes with no reasoning attached. For shame.

Vote:greaterkhaan

First of all, I gave two reasons as to why I voted for you. I hoped that you would address these, but you are again avoiding them. Second of all, you're being a hypocrite. You, literally, gave no reason to vote me. Just my name, nothing else.

[Csargo]

First of all, I gave two reasons as to why I voted for you. I hoped that you would address these, but you are again avoiding them. Second of all, you're being a hypocrite. You, literally, gave no reason to vote me. Just my name, nothing else.

I wish you would address my post, but sadly you haven't :no: I put a lot of time and effort into that post. :bigcry:

[pevergreen]

I dont think i have actually voted sasaki yet :sweatdrop:

Vote: Sasaki

Now off to play Battlefield 2142

[seireikhaan]

Which post?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've just realized Passenger pigeons are supposed to be extinct. Before I head off to the zoo with my amazing discovery (I doubt I'll be able to return in time to respond to your posts), a few points.

NO ONE has made the slightest attempt at building a case against me. All we have here are a bunch of votes with no reasoning attached. For shame.

Vote:greaterkhaan

You don't even try anymore, do you?

If he survives this round, the town deserves to lose.

[Twilightblade]

For this round ill

Vote: No Lynch

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You don't even try anymore, do you?

If he survives this round, the town deserves to lose.

Hold on a sec I have to speak to my lawyer.

[HughTower]

I've just realized Passenger pigeons are supposed to be extinct. Before I head off to the zoo with my amazing discovery (I doubt I'll be able to return in time to respond to your posts), a few points.

NO ONE has made the slightest attempt at building a case against me. All we have here are a bunch of votes with no reasoning attached. For shame.

Vote:greaterkhaan

I'm sure you're finding yourself most amusing, but I'll think you'll find GH has provided a handy guide as to the arguments against you. I attach it here for your reading pleasure. It's really quite good.

The Case of the Mysteriously Evasive Sasaki (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1499871&postcount=597)

In summary:


You have made a promise on which you failed to deliver
You have subsequently evaded direct questioning or simply lurked
Your vote above is a lame attempt to hasten another bandwagon & distance yourself from another Mafia suspect


And, you can have my vote too, as motivation to talk a little.

Vote: Sasaki

Ichigo - Can you defend Sasaki any better than "=innocent"?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I've delivered on my promise. I pm'd proof to Ichigo, hence his post.

[HughTower]

I've delivered on my promise. I pm'd proof to Ichigo, hence his post.

Not really.

1. Ichigo's innocence is not being taken for granted
2. Role PM's are not allowed to be used as proof (or that was my understanding)

You'll have to do better than that.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I didn't get a role pm. Ichigo can confirm his innocence as well.

[HughTower]

I didn't get a role pm. Ichigo can confirm his innocence as well.

So what's the proof? I see nothing apart from your hot air.

You're going to have be less opaque, Sasaki, if you want to save yourself from a lynching.

[CountArach]

So you have no role PM, yet... you PMed proof to Ichigo?

[pevergreen]

let me give Sasaki's explanation


dude, I said I could confirm my innocence by day 2 because by day 2 someone would have been investigated and have received the same notification I did, and would thus have been able to confirm that I had been investigated and therefore must be innocence because the detective had not revealed.

Sasaki

[Lord Winter]

I didn't get a role pm. Ichigo can confirm his innocence as well.
How? If he you and him can prove it. Would it not help the town for them to see it? Your still avoiding the towns questions.

As for Ichigo, I'm still suspious but it dosn't meirt a vote right now. Sasski is more suspious.

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Sasski

[RoadKill]

Vote: Ichigo
My reason may be small, but does Ichigo seem to be posting a lot? Post after post you try to question others and draw votes to them, and you seem to be also posting a lot to defend you innocence and to draw suspicion away from youself.

[pevergreen]

Ichigo always posts a lot.

[RoadKill]

I was refering to like the other games he are in.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Ichigo
My reason may be small, but does Ichigo seem to be posting a lot? Post after post you try to question others and draw votes to them, and you seem to be also posting a lot to defend you innocence and to draw suspicion away from youself.

I disagree.

Ichigo has been weirdly enough, defending Sasaki more than anything else, and in such a way that it draws attention to himself by refusing to elaborate.

[seireikhaan]

I wish you would address my post, but sadly you haven't :no: I put a lot of time and effort into that post. :bigcry:

Ahh, I believe I found the post you're referring to. I will full well admit that yes, I used someone else's reasoning for my first vote. This is my first mafia game. I had no clue who most of the people were, and who the experienced gamers were. The reasoning given as to why GH was killed in the first round seemed good, so I went with it. It seemed logical that GH, as an experienced mafia player, would draw the attentions of the mafia, hoping to convert him. Logically, for someone to know about GH's previous mafia games well enough, they themselves would have to have some experience, which, according to Sigurd, Myrdraal had.

My second vote, however is different. I voted for Tran because he was voting for someone who he thought acted weird in another game. Voting someone because they're experienced, and possibly, dangerous, isn't the same as voting for someone 'cause they acted suspicious in some other game, with no correlation to how they were acting in THIS game. Tran was, at best, being an unproductive towney. That's ultimately why I voted for him. Basically, I voted Myrdraal because he seemed like a likely suspect to target GH. I voted Tran because he was doing nothing other than trying to heap suspicion at others at random, and was in no way helping the town.

As for the WIFOM, alright, it was a waste of a post. Shoot me. However, if you read that post, you would've noticed not once did I accuse him of being mafia. I was just trying to say to be careful with what you say. I hope that answers your questions, Ichigo.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, one more thing:


No townies should be willing to get lynched.

At worst, you're an unhelpful townie who also happens to be a hypocrite. At best (and this is the true scenario), you're a mafioso.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Just wait till I find out how much I can sue you for the damage almost certainly caused to my eyes from rolling violently back into their sockets.

[TevashSzat]

Sigh...Another 5 pages to read.

Seriously people, you guys post way too much and I don't get on often enough recently, but I guess I'll join the bandwagon here and vote: Sasaki

[Lord Winter]

Sigh...Another 5 pages to read.

Seriously people, you guys post way too much and I don't get on often enough recently, but I guess I'll join the bandwagon here and vote: Sasaki

You didn't see Capo,

Five plus pages every day :dizzy:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

General H:

How does Saski's absence fit into your theory? I'll stipulate that he hasn't addressed your point by point comments?

I'm being tentative here because I've seen Sasaki get hammered before just because he's Sasaki...


Note for Everyone:

Other than the Stig and 'khaan "silly vote for a slate" stuff, there has been remarkably little vote switching this time around. Trend analysis can begin soon:yes: :deal:

[GeneralHankerchief]

General H:

How does Saski's absence fit into your theory? I'll stipulate that he hasn't addressed your point by point comments?

Don't know, don't care.

He doesn't care about defending himself, only posting to make stupid remarks, to heck with him. He's no good to anyone.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Actually, to add to it, his continued shortness and blatant evasiveness just adds to half of my argument.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

666! SATAN THOU HAST BEEN REVEALED!

Follow not the venomous lies of the hell spawn GeneralH, fellow orgahs. In the name of Jesus, unvote Sasaki and ye shall be saved. Amen.

[seireikhaan]

666! SATAN THOU HAST BEEN REVEALED!

Follow not the venomous lies of the hell spawn GeneralH, fellow orgahs. In the name of Jesus, unvote Sasaki and ye shall be saved. Amen.

This is disgraceful, Sasaki.

[Csargo]

Unlike most other Mafia games on this forum, you may not quote the private messages I send to you. A lot of games, I think, have been negatively affected by too many quoted PMs. You must use your own eloquence to convince others of your case.

So that means that Sasaki can't quote the PM from Kommodus. I did infact get investigated by the Detective, but since I can't quote the PM I should be able to paraphrase it..


I was questioned by a man wearing something over his face and using a voice distortion device. I answered all his questions, and told him everything I knew. I couldn't find out the indentity of the questioner.


You received a pm mentioning something about "voice distortion" and a "persuasive individual" from Kommodus did you not? Can you see how this confirms my innocence?

Sasaki

He knew about the PM from Kommodus. So I'm pretty sure that he's innocent. There should be one other person out there with the same PM from Kommodus, you know who you are and don't reveal it to the world in the thread. No use losing more than two innocents.

Now if you would all bandwagon khaan it would be greatly appreciated. Since you all can't seem to get Sasaki=always guilty every game out of your heads.:wall:

It's a pain trying to save your ass Sasaki you owe me bigtime.

[Csargo]

Ahh, I believe I found the post you're referring to. I will full well admit that yes, I used someone else's reasoning for my first vote. This is my first mafia game. I had no clue who most of the people were, and who the experienced gamers were. The reasoning given as to why GH was killed in the first round seemed good, so I went with it. It seemed logical that GH, as an experienced mafia player, would draw the attentions of the mafia, hoping to convert him. Logically, for someone to know about GH's previous mafia games well enough, they themselves would have to have some experience, which, according to Sigurd, Myrdraal had.

My second vote, however is different. I voted for Tran because he was voting for someone who he thought acted weird in another game. Voting someone because they're experienced, and possibly, dangerous, isn't the same as voting for someone 'cause they acted suspicious in some other game, with no correlation to how they were acting in THIS game. Tran was, at best, being an unproductive towney. That's ultimately why I voted for him. Basically, I voted Myrdraal because he seemed like a likely suspect to target GH. I voted Tran because he was doing nothing other than trying to heap suspicion at others at random, and was in no way helping the town.

As for the WIFOM, alright, it was a waste of a post. Shoot me. However, if you read that post, you would've noticed not once did I accuse him of being mafia. I was just trying to say to be careful with what you say. I hope that answers your questions, Ichigo.

Just like me, Sigurd, Seamus, Sasaki, Kage, Dutch_guy. Myrd hasn't even posted thus far, and will most likely be WoGed. I know Myrd is probably innocent because from the 31 to the 5 or 6 he wasn't even online, so unless he's mafia and his buddies could send in PM's for him he's innocent by being gone.

A townie's still a townie in my book no matter how unproductive they are. That's a wasted lynch if you think they're an unproductive townie.

No, I'de rather hang you. :D :hanged:

[CountArach]

He knew about the PM from Kommodus. So I'm pretty sure that he's innocent. There should be one other person out there with the same PM from Kommodus, you know who you are and don't reveal it to the world in the thread. No use losing more than two innocents.

Hmmm... in that case.

Unvote: Sasaki


Sigh...Another 5 pages to read.

Seriously people, you guys post way too much and I don't get on often enough recently, but I guess I'll join the bandwagon here and vote: Sasaki

Vote: Xdeathfire - Bandwagoning.

[Stig]

CA makes sense.
A lurker, almost WoGed, and quickly voting Sasaki because everyone does


Unvote: I think it was myself
Vote: Xdeathfire
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Join up guys

[Dutch_guy]

Well, it seems my passiveness this game is going to get me WOGed. I am of no use to the town dead, as it will only help the mafia. I, as Sasaki, am of the opinion that no townie should go without a fight - especially the innocent ones ~;)

I have seen reference to some remarkable PM, and Sasaki and Khan have been wagoned for it. I, however, have not read through all the thread yet - I merely skimmed it.

Doing that, I noticed a serious lack of posts by one going by the name of Caius Flaminius. He's still alive, and normally very active. Yet not this time, or not this round. Is he per chance pleased by the going this round ? Let's hear what he has to say then.

Vote:Caius

:balloon2:

[Andres]

I'm tempted to stick to my vote for Sasaki for the worst defense ever.

*sigh*

Ok, Ichigo's story proves him innocent:

Unvote : Sasaki

Now, Xehh II, you voted Sasaki without any good reason if I recall it right. Can you explain what your motivations were at that time? Don't think I forgot about your statement in the beginning of the game "Huh, did it already start?"...

Vote : Xehh II

A decent explanation for the Sasaki vote please and I'll probably unvote.

And there is enough pressure on Xdeathfire to make him talk, but still, I want to see your defense against Stig's accusation.

greaterkhaan: your defense and overall posting style makes you look very scummy. I had a likely defense in Midgard though where I was pretty upset about getting lynched while being innocent. So, if you are townie, I can perfectly understand you and therefore I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I'll keep an eye on you :inquisitive:

[Killfr3nzy]

Rarara; everyone posts too much. :wall:

Vote Count (as of #675)
Sasaki - 4 (Xehh II, Greaterkhaan, pever, HughT, DoH, Xdeath)
Xdeath - 2 (CountA, Stig)
Greaterkhaan - 2 (Ichigo, Sasaki)
Dutch_Guy - 1 (Caius)
Caius - 1 (Dutch_Guy)
No Lynch - 1 (Twilightblade)
Ichigo - 1 (RoadKill)
Xehh II - 1 (Andres)

For what it's worth, I think we should lynch Sasaki, even if he's not mafia he's acting kind of scummy and retardedly. I don't know how normal this is :dizzy2: , so I'll restrain voting for him as some of the more experienced peoples seem to believe him.

[Tran]

It seems Sasaki got a bad day, being bandwagonned in two different games and got his PC attacked by penguin...

[Andres]

Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1496201&postcount=541) you posted:


It seems that I have yet missed another voting session, but my computer is now fixed :2thumbsup: and I'll starting participating now

:inquisitive:

On second thoughts:

Unvote : Xehh II
Vote : Xdeathfire

Time to put some real pressure on him...

Since (the confirmed innocent) Sasaki is still in danger of getting lynched, I urge you to at least create a tie between Xdeathfire and Sasaki or greaterkhaan and Sasaki or Xdeatfire/greaterkhaan/Sasaki which will result in a prolonged voting session or a second voting round.

I would like to remind all townies that not voting when a confirmed innocent is about to get lynched is a bad idea...

[HughTower]

He knew about the PM from Kommodus. So I'm pretty sure that he's innocent. There should be one other person out there with the same PM from Kommodus, you know who you are and don't reveal it to the world in the thread. No use losing more than two innocents.

It's a pain trying to save your ass Sasaki you owe me bigtime.

Andres - This confirms nothing, surely?

It still all hangs on whether we take Ichigo's word for it or not. Whilst he has so far avoided too much suspicion, he still can not be excluded as a suspect. Sasaki, why do you still refuse to answer straight & direct questions?

In these Mafia games, is it usual for the target that they have been investigated? If so, this is the first I've heard of it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There was no point defending myself when Ichigo could confirm my innocence. May as well goof off.

@Hugh: The other people who get investigated can confirm...however they shouldn't reveal unless they have to, don't want to let the mafia know who is confirmed.

[Sigurd]

I think we should hear more about this detective business...

unvote: Andres,
vote: Xdeathfire

According to Killfr2nzy's voting tally, Sasaki has 4 (even though 6 is registred as voters) and with my vote Xdeath should have 4 as well. Not sure Killfr111nzy's tally is correct though. He forgot my vote on Andres

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote switching is up:

Andresthecunning, Hughtower, & Stig have all been twisting their votes around a bit.

Sasaki and Ichigo are claiming -- without claiming -- to be on the side of the angels and to have spotted 'khaan as a baddie.

By contrast, der General (definitively not CN) has hammered and re-hammered Sasaki, whose defense of self is, at best, cavalier so far.

The growing wave for Xdeath's death seems, to me, to be a wait-and-see lynch while waiting for the mafia to resolve part of the discussion.

Ichigo and GeneralH are my staunch allies in my other game, so I seem to be caught betwixt and between.

For now, I'll follow the Dutchman and VOTE: Caius Flaminius

Who had tripped my wires before with whacky voting and has since lain low.

Vote subject to change as situation unfolds.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,Vote:Seamus

[HughTower]

I ask....


Sasaki, why do you still refuse to answer straight & direct questions?

Sasaki answers:


There was no point defending myself when Ichigo could confirm my innocence. May as well goof off.

I didn't ask why you didn't defend yourself. You've been evading questions since you first claimed you could prove your innocence. A simple explanation given 2 days ago would have wasted a lot less time & fuss. So, I ask again, why have you been so evasive for so long?


@Hugh: The other people who get investigated can confirm...however they shouldn't reveal unless they have to, don't want to let the mafia know who is confirmed.

Then they need to reveal via a trusted proxy. Until then Sasaki remains highly suspicious, & he taints Ichigo by association.

With that in mind it might make sense to tie the vote - does anyone know how we stand?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Evasive by nature Hugh.

The detective would speak up if we were lying.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

unvote,Vote:Seamus

:bow: An honor sir!

[HughTower]

Evasive by nature Hugh.

The detective would speak up if we were lying.

Or alternatively,


The detective may be dead
If you're lying & about to be lynched, it makes no sense for the detective to reveal themselves

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It would still make sense to claim since Ichi would be guilty.

I would have had to have gambled on the detective being dead.

[Dutch_guy]

Rarara; everyone posts too much. :wall:

Vote Count (as of #675)
Sasaki - 4 (Xehh II, Greaterkhaan, pever, HughT, DoH, Xdeath)
Xdeath - 2 (CountA, Stig)
Greaterkhaan - 2 (Ichigo, Sasaki)
Dutch_Guy - 1 (Caius)
Caius - 1 (Dutch_Guy)
No Lynch - 1 (Twilightblade)
Ichigo - 1 (RoadKill)
Xehh II - 1 (Andres)

For what it's worth, I think we should lynch Sasaki, even if he's not mafia he's acting kind of scummy and retardedly. I don't know how normal this is :dizzy2: , so I'll restrain voting for him as some of the more experienced peoples seem to believe him.

I seem to have missed Caius voting for me, care to point out where he did so this round ?


:balloon2:

[Csargo]

Or alternatively,


The detective may be dead
If you're lying & about to be lynched, it makes no sense for the detective to reveal themselves


1. Doubtful and highly unlikely
2. If we were lying then the detective would reveal because then the town would be able to lynch two mafioso's. Since my defense of Sasaki would make me guilty by association. :bow:

[Csargo]

I seem to have missed Caius voting for me, care to point out where he did so this round ?


:balloon2:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1500050&postcount=609

[HughTower]

It would still make sense to claim since Ichi would be guilty.

I would have had to have gambled on the detective being dead.

You're making the assumption, Sasaki, that the detective would act as you would. You're also asking us to find it credible that you would have not played in a such a fashion if you actually were Mafia.

You have lost your credibility through your larking about & general evasion. It doesn't mean that you're Mafia however. There are two ways that you can get it back.


N3 investigation target reveals himself through a proxy (GH?) & confirms your PM paraphrasing
The detective who you say investigated you reveals (but then they will be shut down by the Mafia, so not really a good idea)


In order to try & give you more time to achieve this,

Unvote: Sasaki

[Dutch_guy]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1500050&postcount=609

Ugh. It seems I have now degraded to retaliation voting, even though there was no intent.

That said, the vote may change but not now - vote or die !



:balloon2:

[Csargo]

You're making the assumption, Sasaki, that the detective would act as you would. You're also asking us to find it credible that you would have not played in a such a fashion if you actually were Mafia.

You have lost your credibility through your larking about & general evasion. It doesn't mean that you're Mafia however. There are two ways that you can get it back.


N3 investigation target reveals himself through a proxy (GH?) & confirms your PM paraphrasing
The detective who you say investigated you reveals (but then they will be shut down by the Mafia, so not really a good idea)


In order to try & give you more time to achieve this,

Unvote: Sasaki

Ugh

[Andres]

Or alternatively,


The detective may be dead
If you're lying & about to be lynched, it makes no sense for the detective to reveal themselves


This reply is worthy to repeat:



1. Doubtful and highly unlikely
2. If we were lying then the detective would reveal because then the town would be able to lynch two mafioso's. Since my defense of Sasaki would make me guilty by association.

:yes:

I'll rephrase it to make it 100 % clear to everybody: if they (Sasaki and Ichigo) are lying, all the detective has to do is to reveal and we can lynch two mafiosi...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ugh, what a crock.

I don't know what to think anymore.

It's really stupid (no offense Kommodus) to inform somebody that they've been investigated/

It's really stupid to let Sasaki off the hook. His defense was the most retarded thing I've ever seen, and his excuse for his defense was pathetic. He should be lynched just by example.

Yeah, I probably shouldn't be posting this now, I'm not in the best of moods. But this is just freaking ridiculous.

Detective, come out and reveal yourself so we can make some sense out of this mess.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Waitaminute. How did Sasaki know to PM Ichigo? Was it just a wild guess that he picked the exact same person that the Detective had investigated?

Lynch him now, you morons.

[Csargo]

Ugh, what a crock.

I don't know what to think anymore.

It's really stupid (no offense Kommodus) to inform somebody that they've been investigated/

It's really stupid to let Sasaki off the hook. His defense was the most retarded thing I've ever seen, and his excuse for his defense was pathetic. He should be lynched just by example.

Yeah, I probably shouldn't be posting this now, I'm not in the best of moods. But this is just freaking ridiculous.

Detective, come out and reveal yourself so we can make some sense out of this mess.

You would risk the Detective's life because you want to get one person lynched? I'll let you think on that.

[Andres]

Waitaminute. How did Sasaki know to PM Ichigo? Was it just a wild guess that he picked the exact same person that the Detective had investigated?

That's bothering me as well. On the other hand, if the detective reveals and confirms he didn't investigate Ichigo and Sasaki, they are dead.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ichigo - How does that risk the Detective's life, and what do you have to say about the following post?

I think we've found another mafioso.

[Csargo]

Waitaminute. How did Sasaki know to PM Ichigo? Was it just a wild guess that he picked the exact same person that the Detective had investigated?

Lynch him now, you morons.

Who are the two most likely people to be investigated in the first and second rounds?

[Csargo]

Ichigo - How does that risk the Detective's life, and what do you have to say about the following post?

I think we've found another mafioso.


Detective, come out and reveal yourself so we can make some sense out of this mess.

So you're saying he wouldn't be killed?:dizzy2:

[Andres]

Waitaminute. How did Sasaki know to PM Ichigo? Was it just a wild guess that he picked the exact same person that the Detective had investigated?

Lynch him now, you morons.

Come on GH. If they are lying, the detective would have revealed already and we would lynch them both. Since our detective isn't saying anything, doesn't that mean they are speaking the truth?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Who are the two most likely people to be investigated in the first and second rounds?

Speculation. I don't buy it.

I want Sasaki lynched because he's either a mafioso or an unhelpful townie. If this were any other player, ANY OTHER PLAYER, he would have been lynched for his behavior, not just in this round, but for the entire course of the game. He has been consistently unhelpful and obviously isn't going to do anything of merit, even if he is townie.

It's disgraceful that we leave him alive just because he's Sasaki. Treat him like any other townie and lynch his unhelpful ass.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Waitaminute. How did Sasaki know to PM Ichigo? Was it just a wild guess that he picked the exact same person that the Detective had investigated?

Lynch him now, you morons.

I'm sorry GH, OPSEC.

[Andres]

It's disgraceful that we leave him alive just because he's Sasaki. Treat him like any other townie and lynch his unhelpful ass.

Lynching a townie, even an unhelpful one, isn't in the town's interest. If the particular townie is really that annoying, putting him on the ignore list temporarily is a better option.

EDIT: Sasaki, what is "OPSEC" ?

[GeneralHankerchief]

We've lynched plenty of unhelpful townies in the past. Hell, it's who we lynch EVERY TIME that we don't have a mafioso.

[Csargo]

I guess he hopes insulting people will make them vote the way he wants. I for one am not keen to being insulted. :shrug:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Andres, the current leader in votes is an unhelpful townie! We got Warluster in the first round on the basis that he was an unhelpful townie!

[Csargo]

Andres, the current leader in votes is an unhelpful townie! We got Warluster in the first round on the basis that he was an unhelpful townie!

I concur.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sasaki, I just saw you PMing. Who was it?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

EDIT: Sasaki, what is "OPSEC" ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_security_(OPSEC)


You want to lynch an unhelpful townie GH? I think you forgot something: you were nightkilled, we can't lynch you. https://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3876/emoticeburngw7.gif

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh god.

Respond to one of my points. Just one of them.

[Andres]

I concur.

Since you don't vote Sasaki, I take it you don't believe he is unhelpful...

Maybe we should try to create a tie?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh god.

Respond to one of my points. Just one of them.

Your wish is my command:


Sasaki, I just saw you PMing. Who was it?

hmm? Oh, I wasn't pm'ing anybody. Not that it would mean anything if I had, mod duties and all that you know. Why do you ask?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Because you did it in between checking this thread. I'm not thick, and my challenge still stands.

[Csargo]

Since you don't vote Sasaki, I take it you don't believe he is unhelpful...

Maybe we should try to create a tie?

He's innocent.

Unvote:khaan
Vote:Xdeathfire

[GeneralHankerchief]

I know you were PMing someone, I saw it. And I mean a legitamite response.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok GH. I'll respond to all of the points you made a while back. You happy now?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ok GH. I'll respond to all of the points you made a while back. You happy now?

Yes!

It's what I wished you had done in the first place!

[Csargo]

Ok GH. I'll respond to all of the points you made a while back. You happy now?

Don't do it Sasaki, don't do itttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!

[Csargo]

Yes!

It's what I wished you had done in the first place!

Well atleast your not pissed off anymore.:sweatdrop:

[Caius]

Ugh. It seems I have now degraded to retaliation voting, even though there was no intent.

That said, the vote may change but not now - vote or die !



:balloon2:
It was an pressure vote.Also, I did vote you because you were lurking.

So I will Unvote:Dutch_Guy

Also, Ichigo, if you are very sure Sasaki is innocent, cant you share an explanation?

And sorry for lurking.My bro is using Internet a lot.

[Csargo]

It was an pressure vote.Also, I did vote you because you were lurking.

So I will Unvote:Dutch_Guy

Also, Ichigo, if you are very sure Sasaki is innocent, cant you share an explanation?

And sorry for lurking.My bro is using Internet a lot.

I've already posted almost everything I have.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Post 151 Sasaki FoS's me for going after Caius with the invisibility issue. Nevermind the fact that I have profile-watched many times before, most notably in Cosa Nuova I.

I disagree.


When I ask numerous times for a reason, at first he dodges the question:

This is just how I roll.


And then later gives a response along the lines of "I dunno, it's just a gut feeling."

What does this have to do with the price of beans?




After that, I use the sarcasm defense, probably thinking my time in Cosa Nuova is done (only by lynching) and he playfully role-fishes.

nuh-uh!



Four hours later, the Night One kills go up, it's me and BlackAxe who bite it. Judging by the description of the kills, it's clear that I was attempted to be recruited.

Sasaki's initial reaction to the kills is:



Implying that he was aware of this before, therefore he wouldn't remove me first in fear that I would play with a vengeance.

Sorry, homie don't play that way.


Since he had gone after me more than usual in the pre-Night One phase, combined with the fact that I was attempted to be recruited first and the fact that he subtly distanced himself from my kill, I believe that his initial persecution of me was a set-up and an alibi, and he had planned to recruit me from early on. Unfortunately, this plan failed.

Or did it? Muahaha muhahaah


Over the course of the first round, Sasaki is a bit more goofy and less serious than usual:

This is subjective. Subjectivity is objective, but objectivity cannot be subjective. Interesting, no?



Meanwhile, he begins to ignore others who are questioning him, and Andres calls him out on it:

There is a perfectly rational explanation for this.



He eventually responds to Andres, but then when he realizes the Stig wagon isn't picking up steam, he quite obviously changes it to Warluster, with the explanation of:

You are confused.



This is a 180 from his previous position. Look back to The Godfather 2, when he was accusing myself, Myrddraal, and Sigurd of being in the mafia (Myrd and I were guilty):

This is irrelevant to the matter at hand.



Now, I admit that starting small, weak bandwagons have always been part of his strategy, but this is not a small, weak bandwagon. He wants Warluster lynched, plain and simple.

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?


He attacks DoH for voting Sasaki (joining his bandwagon) but not the numerous people voting for Warluster, following his lead, which is in violation of his rule:

In my defense, it was rather chilly at the time.




Apparently, this only applies to certain wagons.

And then, of course, we get the post:



Four days later and we're still waiting. Obviously a stalling tactic to stay alive. Much like TV shows promising resolutions to cliffhangers if viewers keep watching.

Oh God, that reminds me of that one show I used to watch when I was little. What was it called again?


Later, in response to his bandwagoning:



Note to self: Leave these bandwagoners alive.

I do not think this means what you think it means.


You may ask yourself, however, why Sasaki is constantly creating discussion and the like if he was mafia. Mainly, because people were unanimously harping about being more active after the disaster that was Ichigo's game. Obviously, the same strategy wouldn't work twice in a row.

I refer you to the famous incident at marblehead falls in the winter of '98. "Obviously" indeed.


Starts getting short with rdece and pretty much ignoring his comments:

Ahem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample)




Meanwhile, people start to wonder why Sasaki will be able to prove his innocence.

Post 281:



Post 295:



Ignored for over a hundred posts until DoH brings it up again:

It was only slightly over a hundred. Your statement of simply "over a hundred" is a blatant misrepresentation.



Funny how in Post 418 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1494355&postcount=418) Sasaki responds to two parts of DoH's quote but purposely cuts out the quoted bit asking for proof of innocence.

Sasaki stays out of the Tran discussion for the most part, only saying that the two people voting for him aren't really doing it seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi


Finally:



Convenient that there are plenty of other lurkers around but he FoS's the one that happens to vote for him.



I've already expressed my feelings on this.



Completely ignoring the fact that he stated that he could prove his innocence and failed to upon numerous requests. DoH and I call him out on it again:





Sasaki continues to ignore it...



I call him out on it yet again, but this is his only response:



Continuing to slither out of revealing it...


O RLY? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_database_management_system)





Then, he changes the argument:



I'm not going to check because THERE'S NOTHING TO CHECK FOR. If you can find one unedited post of you saying that in an earlier game when you were innocent, I will drop this part of the accusation.

How can I, now that you've removed the evidence? Tut tut.




Gah! So you're voting him because he... responded to your accusation?!

Finally, he puts some teeth into his defense and Sasaki pointlessly unvotes him after the lynch round is over.

One man's pointless is another mans pointfull.




I don't know about this. Sasaki's been known to go after his mafia counterparts in a quick strike and then let them off the hook just as quickly.

Also in that post was a link directing me to the Wikipedia article entitled "Burden of Proof," implying that I needed proof when accusing someone.

I think the parallels between real life law and mafia law stop when people are brought to justice by an angry lynch mob and not a professional team of law enforcement officials.

However, it is, once again, a post that does not contain the information that proves his innocence.

If you have a role, then reveal it. You've done enough scummy things in this game where it's necessary to do it earlier than you would have wished. It will help the rest of us out knowing you've been telling the truth, and you may even find a doctor protecting you in the later rounds.

However, I highly doubt this. I think that after this round, the town will have lynched one mafioso, assuming they follow my advice and go after you.

Well you see GH it's like this. There are some people in this world who are born free, while others are made free. To each his own I guess.


Whew, that took a long time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

God.

I'm done with this game. This is total crap.

That last post is the best defense he bothers to come up with, and you townies leave him alive.

He's making a mockery of this game, and you leave him alive for it, hoping for some change in behavior that won't come.

I'm done. Don't bother talking to me about this damn game until he's been lynched.

[Kommodus]

Currently we have a tie vote between Sasaki and Xdeathfire. Voting will continue until the tie is broken.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:xdeathfire

[Csargo]

I disagree.



This is just how I roll.



What does this have to do with the price of beans?





nuh-uh!



Sorry, homie don't play that way.



Or did it? Muahaha muhahaah



This is subjective. Subjectivity is objective, but objectivity cannot be subjective. Interesting, no?



There is a perfectly rational explanation for this.



You are confused.


This is irrelevant to the matter at hand.




You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?



In my defense, it was rather chilly at the time.





Oh God, that reminds me of that one show I used to watch when I was little. What was it called again?



I do not think this means what you think it means.



I refer you to the famous incident at marblehead falls in the winter of '98. "Obviously" indeed.



Ahem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biased_sample)





It was only slightly over a hundred. Your statement of simply "over a hundred" is a blatant misrepresentation.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi


O RLY? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_database_management_system)






How can I, now that you've removed the evidence? Tut tut.





One man's pointless is another mans pointfull.





Well you see GH it's like this. There are some people in this world who are born free, while others are made free. To each his own I guess.


Whew, that took a long time.

Well I guess my defense of you was rather pointless. Dear God,
let my death be a quick one.

My father, who art in heaven...

[Kommodus]

Voting closed. Execution will be up later this evening.

[Andres]

Vote Tally:

Ichigo: 1 (Roadkill)
Sasaki: 5 (Xdeathfire, XehhII, Greaterkhaan, pevergreen, DoH)
Xdeathfire: 6 (CountArach, Stig, AndresTheCunning, Sigurd, Ichigo, Sasaki)
Caius: 2 (Dutch_Guy, Seamus)

[Csargo]

Voting closed. Execution will be up later this evening.

Kommodus will you respond to my PM?

[Csargo]

khaan why are you invisible?

[seireikhaan]

Does it matter? If I wasn't invisible, then I'd be asked why I'm PM'ing someone instead. As is, I prefer my privacy.

[Csargo]

Does it matter? If I wasn't invisible, then I'd be asked why I'm PM'ing someone instead. As is, I prefer my privacy.

Interesting.

[TevashSzat]

Wow, people I haven't even had the time to get on all today to provide a defence and I'm already executed....

I am innocent and merely voted Sasaki because I didn't feel like spending alot of time trying to analyze someone's behavior and also because I thought GH's relatively long posts against Sasaki were the most convincing argument that I have seen.

[Csargo]

Wow, people I haven't even had the time to get on all today to provide a defence and I'm already executed....

I am innocent and merely voted Sasaki because I didn't feel like spending alot of time trying to analyze someone's behavior and also because I thought GH's relatively long posts against Sasaki were the most convincing argument that I have seen.

Blame Sasaki that seems to work well for people. Atleast you have some merit.

[TevashSzat]

You guys say I'm bandwagoning, and suddenly 6 people voted for me already without hearing me out...

[Csargo]

You guys say I'm bandwagoning, and suddenly 6 people voted for me already without hearing me out...

You gotta be fast as lightning in this game, but yet again blame Sasaki I was just voting for a tie.

[CountArach]

Yeah lol, everyone sort of jumped on the bandwagon...

[Kommodus]

Day 3


This afternoon’s Gacaca session began earlier in the day than the first two. There were two reasons for this – first, the night’s victims had been discovered quite quickly; and second, the people were growing accustomed to the macabre ritual.

The early start would prove fortunate, for the day’s debate would prove the longest and bitterest yet. The mayor, unfortunately, had no new information to share, and as soon as his brief introductory speech was concluded, the assembly exploded in a frenzy of distrust and paranoia.

Attention was immediately focused on a man who had long been regarded as utterly untrustworthy. Sasaki Kojiro found himself assaulted from every angle, beset by many enemies and defended by few friends.

He tried pleading with them. “Haven’t I stood with you against the Interahamwe again and again?” he cried. But he was met with only stony glares.

“All this time you’ve merely been waiting for a chance to betray us!” they shouted. “Everyone knows the first thing a criminal syndicate would do is to recruit an inside man. We know you; you probably volunteered your services as soon as the opportunity presented itself!”

At last, utterly disgusted, Sasaki threw up his hands. “I’m tired of being the target of your inquisitions!” he shouted. “Everyone has their mind made up about me, it seems. Not two nights ago I was assaulted in my own home by someone – a person who’s probably here right now – who seemed intent on proving me guilty of something. And believe me, it was not a pleasant experience. Why doesn’t that person speak up? I told him everything I know!”

No one responded to Sasaki’s request. However, a few cautiously admitted to having experienced the same treatment. They had not come forward before out of fear. This caused some to reconsider Sasaki’s guilt, though many were not convinced.

Eventually suspicion turned in another direction. Strangely, the new target of the people’s suspicion was one of those who continued to believe in Sasaki’s guilt. Xdeathfire, since the first Gacaca, had seemed nothing but confused. His eyes darted about the crowd as person after person accused him; however, he said very little.

At last the town appeared completely polarized between those who staunchly believed in Sasaki’s guilt and those who considered Xdeathfire more suspicious. Bitter words were exchanged, and some arguments were on the verge of coming to blows. To prevent further loss of life and limb, mayor Rwigema was forced to call for a final vote.

“Will those who consider Sasaki guilty please line up to the left!” he shouted. Immediately several villagers took their stand. “Now those who believe Xdeathfire is guilty stand here on the right!” Another group moved to take position. One group was a bit more numerous, if only slightly.

“Xdeathfire, you stand guilty of murder!” pronounced the mayor. Several men seized him immediately and forced him into the circle. The group supporting Sasaki’s execution emitted loud curses, not hiding their displeasure.

Rwigema ignored them, however. He was fed up with the fighting and was determined to end the night quickly. Reaching into his pocket, he drew out a small revolver and aimed it straight at Xdeathfire. “Do you have anything to say?” he asked.

When Xdeathfire merely shook his head, the mayor fired a single shot which struck Xdeathfire in the temple. He was killed instantly.

Many in the assembly were far from satisfied with the turn of events, however. “We’ve had six people murdered and three executed in three days,” someone complained loudly. “And we may be no closer to bringing the guilty to justice. We must have a better option than this!”

“Very well,” acknowledged Rwigema. “Any suggestions?” But no one had anything to say.

“I have one!” someone shouted. Everyone looked in the direction of the voice. There stood Omanes Alexandropolitis the Idiot, holding the mayor’s revolver. He had a wild, insane look in his eye.

“This town has clearly gone mad!” he yelled. “This entire country – no, this entire world is utterly insane! There’s no escape – save one.” With that he raised the revolver and placed the barrel in his mouth. The mayor rushed at him, but it was too late. A shot rang out, and Omanes’ blood and brains sprayed out into the air.

…

Three individuals had not come to the assembly. They had heard about the murders like everyone else, but justice was hardly a high priority for them. How could it be, when profit was beckoning?

Ignoramus, Motep, and Myrddraal worked as foremen on discovery1’s coffee plantation. As discovery1 had left no family and no will, ownership of the plantation was sure to be disputed. Each of these three, as high-ranking employees, felt they had a legitimate claim. The question was: how to get their rivals out of the way?

Myrddraal was the first to devise a plan. Shortly after discovery1’s death was announced, he made a quick visit to Motep’s office.

“We both knew this day was coming,” he said once the door was shut. “You and I know this business better than anyone. If we share ownership, our profits will skyrocket. All we need is to make sure that fool Ignoramus doesn’t interfere.”

Motep thought for a moment. “I like the sound of that,” he said. “But how will we get him to just give up his claim?”

Myrddraal smiled deviously. “Don’t worry about that. I’ve been thinking of a plan…”

…

A few hours later, Myrddraal and Motep were parked about a half hour’s drive south of Gisenyi. They were standing in a barren field that was pocked with shell holes and debris.

“The RPF came through here when they were driving back the government’s genocidal forces,” Myrddraal pointed out. “They planted mines to supplement their defenses. If we simply relocate a few to an area of the plantation that Ignoramus is sure to visit, well… no one will suspect anything other than a tragic accident.”

Motep smiled. “What are we waiting for?” he asked. “Let’s get to work.”

A couple of hours later, the two had unearthed about five mines. Of course each was handled with the utmost care as it was loaded into their jeep. Soon the pair was headed back to town with their dangerous cargo, loud music blaring. Perhaps they should’ve been more concerned about the mines being jostled in the back of the jeep as it shuddered over the bumpy roads.

At last they reached their destination. Choosing a location, they went to work planting the mines. Motep took a shovel dug the first shallow pit. “Hey bro, toss me a mine!” he called.

Myrddraal, back at the jeep, took the request perhaps a bit too literally. Reaching for the nearest mine, he threw it the few yards to where his partner was standing. Motep stretched out his arms to catch it, but it slipped through his fingers.

“Oh cra-” he began, but his last words were cut off as the mine detonated, filling both him and his partner with shrapnel. He was killed instantly, but Myrddraal was left on the ground, bleeding, gasping, and barely conscious.

The pair had predicted Ignoramus’s movements well. About half an hour later, another jeep pulled up and Ignoramus stepped out.

“Myrddraal? Myrddraal! What happened?!” he cried, running to his fallen coworker. It was then that he noticed the jeep full of mines, the partially-dug hole in the ground, and the body of Motep nearby. His look of alarm changed to one of smugness.

“You idiots,” he sneered, shaking his head. “I suppose I should thank you. Looks like you’ve taken yourselves out of the way; the plantation is mine now.”

At that moment the rest of the mines in the jeep exploded, abruptly extinguishing the life of Ignoramus and ending the dying gasps of Myrddraal.

Vote Count

Xdeathfire: 6 (AndresTheCunning, CountArach, Ichigo, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Stig)

Sasaki Kojiro: 5 (Destroyer of Hope, greaterkhaan, pevergreen, Xdeathfire, Xehh II)

Caius Flaminius: 2 (Dutch_guy, Seamus Fermanagh)

Ichigo: 1 (RoadKill)

No Lynch: 1 (TwilightBlade)

Not Voting: 9 (Caius Flaminius, HughTower, Ignoramus, Killfr3nzy, Motep, Myrddraal, Omanes Alexandropolitis the Idiot, sapi, Warmaster Horus)

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1

Lynched

Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire


Suicide

Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot


Died of Mysterious Causes

Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Ichigo
Killfr3nzy
pevergreen
RoadKill
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus
Xehh II

Note: Omanes asked to commit suicide a while ago; I just haven’t gotten to it till now. So he’s being removed out of choice, not because of inactivity.

[sapi]

Wasn't Sasaki the one who suggested that breaking a tie so quickly is the mark of a mafia?

He goes next round.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I say kill Sasaki.

He, as GF in Ichigo's game, killed me first round, and this game I died in the second round.

Leaving him alive either leaves a mafia alive or leaves someone the mafia will use continuously to throw people off their scent - his continued living obfuscates the issues. He is either guilty or a tool of the guilty.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What part of confirmed innocent do you people not understand? /sigh

[sapi]

The lie?

[Stig]

Wasn't Sasaki the one who suggested that breaking a tie so quickly is the mark of a mafia?
No.

[sapi]

Well, it's still a valid point.

Acting to save his own skin robbed the town of a chance to discuss whether we really wanted him around more than xdeathfire

[CountArach]

As Sasaki said, he is confirmed innocnet, unless both he and Ichigo are guilty. Which is unlikely. This is not the kind of thing they would try if they were both mafia. Also the Detective would have spoken up by now if he were lying.

[pevergreen]

Bah. I can vouch for both of them.

[CountArach]

How?

[HughTower]

As Sasaki said, he is confirmed innocnet, unless both he and Ichigo are guilty. Which is unlikely. This is not the kind of thing they would try if they were both mafia. Also the Detective would have spoken up by now if he were lying.

Sasaki is categorically NOT confirmed innocent.

However, he is also NOT confirmed guilty.

He broke a tie which was set up to give time for a third party to reveal themselves as a fellow investigatee (via GH if necessary), & therefore his innocence. This is a fact, as is his self-confessed evasiveness. His defence of GH's argument was pointless. He is acting very scummily.

It is only, as you say, the high risk nature of this strategy that stops me from calling for his/their lynch. At some point, if no corroboration is forthcoming, we're going to have to follow Rabbit's way of thinking, & excise the distraction that is Sasaki.