Kung Fu Mafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 4

Faust|

05-11-2007, 17:03

16 players have 10 or less than 10 posts.

Faust| 10
Crazed Rabbit 9
Warmaster Horus 8
discovery1 7
CountArach 6
Warluster 6
Xehh II 5
Twilightblade 5
doc_bean 5
UltraWar 3
Xiahou 2
Dutch_guy 2
Ignoramus 1
Killfr3nzy 1
Kagemusha 1
Beefy187 1

If we exclude the players that always lurk end up getting WoG'ed or who are already dead, we have left:

Faust| 10
Warmaster Horus 8
CountArach 6
Xiahou 2
Beefy187 1

I leave Beefy187 on the list, because he's an unknown factor to me.

Faust, Warmaster Horus and CA need some attention imo...

Huh, why are you counting posts from before the game began? Count participation after the game began and I don't belong on that list. I mean, neither does Xiahou, actually, who is not playing :beam:. Also, CR only has 1 or 2 posts since play started I believe. 9 of mine (if your count is right) have been in-game. I am nowhere near as inactive as Warmaster Horus and CA, if you want to call me "inactive" at all. TBH Andres I am a bit of a "lurker" (although that term is far too creepy for me) in other parts of the forum, often jumping in out of nowhere with a comment, and often only taking part in conversations that particularly interest me. View how long I've been an Org member (1 1/2 active years out of those) vs my number of posts.

I have a final exam (my last) in an hour or so. When I come back I'll review this round of discussion more.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2007, 17:21

WoG's will take place at the end of this round.

Orb

05-11-2007, 18:33

If Orb is as high as he claims to be he should about tie with me.
If however I beat him with ease he has been doing other night actions then training, or his score isn't as high as he claims to be. If he beats me or I beat him with trouble his claimed score is correct.

Seriously, I reckon I'll trounce you. I've got the duels and +2s for training each day.

Where's the challenge organisation system that was demanded by Andres?

If noone else is going to stick to this idea, I will *try* to stand up for organisation here.

doc_bean

05-11-2007, 18:35

vote: abstain

Still feel I've got nothing to go on.

Andres

05-11-2007, 19:45

vote: abstain

Still feel I've got nothing to go on.

Now come on, you can comment on something, can't you?

For instance, after reading the thread, do you think Pannonian's claim is genuine?

What do you think about the recent attacks on Orb?

What about the lynching of Tran?

How about sapi's proposal concerning the duel system?

Don't tell me you just popped up to vote an abstain only to avoid to get WoG'ed? Because that would make you suspicious. And as the innocent townie you certainly are you don't want to look suspicious, do you?

Well ? :inquisitive:

Andres

05-11-2007, 19:55

I have a final exam (my last) in an hour or so. When I come back I'll review this round of discussion more.

I count on that. Otherwise one might have to conclude you just appeared to defend yourself to disappear once again in the shadows.

Now, where are CA and Warmaster Horus?

I want to see suspects suffer :whip:

Faust|

05-11-2007, 20:32

I count on that. Otherwise one might have to conclude you just appeared to defend yourself to disappear once again in the shadows.

Gah, what "shadows"?? You're the only shadow among us two ~D .

Anyway,

Vote: sapi

"And while I'm flattered by the amount of challenges against me, bear in mind that I'll likely soundly trounce anyone (bar a mafia) who fights me, so I'm best used as a role-blocker..."

I do find it suspicious that the man who proposed the challenge system, which in itself was a good idea, then places restrictions on his applicability to the system.

Also, I'm not liking such phrasing as:

"bear in mind that I'll likely soundly trounce anyone (bar a mafia)"

...that's really something for others to decide.

Also, why would you say this: "so I'm best used as a role-blocker..." if you think you would lose to mafia?

I was under the impression that the challenge system you worked out would be for the benefit of the town. Therefore, I would think it must be somewhat more democratic than you are coloring it.

Andres

05-11-2007, 20:35

Gah, what "shadows"?? You're the only shadow among us two ~D .

Anyway,

Vote: sapi

"And while I'm flattered by the amount of challenges against me, bear in mind that I'll likely soundly trounce anyone (bar a mafia) who fights me, so I'm best used as a role-blocker..."

I do find it suspicious that the man who proposed the challenge system, which in itself was a good idea, then places restrictions on his applicability to the system.

Also, I'm not liking such phrasing as:

"bear in mind that I'll likely soundly trounce anyone (bar a mafia)"

...that's really something for others to decide.

Also, why would you say this: "so I'm best used as a role-blocker..." if you think you would lose to mafia?

I was under the impression that the challenge system you worked out would be for the benefit of the town. Therefore, I would think it must be somewhat more democratic than you are coloring it.

:bow:

And now stop lurking and participate a bit more.

Csargo

05-11-2007, 20:50

:bow:

And now stop lurking and participate a bit more.

Hits Andres with a fish.

Vote:doc_bean for being voteaphobic

Stig

05-11-2007, 22:45

Seriously, I reckon I'll trounce you. I've got the duels and +2s for training each day.

Where's the challenge organisation system that was demanded by Andres?

If noone else is going to stick to this idea, I will *try* to stand up for organisation here.

That's what we'll see. If you are as high as you claim to be and trained every day THEN you should beat me. If you don't beat me (or if I win by a minimal difference) you have been lying.

pevergreen

05-12-2007, 02:05

Challange: sapi

Lets see if your score is as high as you say.

sapi

05-12-2007, 06:03

Challenge: pever

Because I told you via PM that if you challenged me, I'd reciprocate ~;)

You may well beat me - I haven't trained for a few nights (protection groups) but if this is what it takes...

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-12-2007, 07:15

Sasaki Kojiro

05-12-2007, 07:31

5 to lynch

Twilightblade

05-12-2007, 08:05

Now come on, you can comment on something, can't you?

For instance, after reading the thread, do you think Pannonian's claim is genuine?

What do you think about the recent attacks on Orb?

What about the lynching of Tran?

How about sapi's proposal concerning the duel system?

Don't tell me you just popped up to vote an abstain only to avoid to get WoG'ed? Because that would make you suspicious. And as the innocent townie you certainly are you don't want to look suspicious, do you?

Well ? :inquisitive:

this looks like what happened to me in Cosa
Ill hold from voting but i would like to hear some answers to andres's questions

Beefy187

05-12-2007, 09:59

things are moving way too fast for me.:help:

ill have to suicide because i cant keep up with whats happening in the game. im really sorry for not paying attention to whats happening in the game. if i join the game next time i promise that ill try to keep up with all the things. sorry and enjoy your game

Andres

05-12-2007, 10:15

doc_bean

05-12-2007, 10:16

Vote: doc_bean

You've done little, but lurk and post in an odd post every now and then to avoid the WoG. Is it that you don't have time to read the thread, or are you a mafioso trying to hide your scummy actions by not posting too much?

I had forgotten how time consuming mafia games were, I have a master thesis to write that is due in two weeks.

Andres

05-12-2007, 10:19

I have a master thesis to write that is due in two weeks.

Ah, that's a very good excuse :yes:

Oh boy, why did you even bother to sign up? Or are you too lazy to start working within a few months and therefore aiming for a "thesisjaar" ?

Pannonian

05-12-2007, 10:33

Not much discussion going on in here lately :thumbsdown:

I don't understand why you guys are still not taking advantage of this new voting system... :no:

Some serious pressure here and there might help other people to talk, but no, all that happens is the same people disscussing over and over about challenges and that's it.
It's the old problem of the bloated thread, and it's reminded me of one of the reasons why I wanted to stay away from Mafia games for a while. I'm currently writing something to help me keep track of all the posting (something that should help me in RL too), but the prospect of manually diving back into the archives intimidates even me.

doc_bean

05-12-2007, 10:46

Ah, that's a very good excuse :yes:

Oh boy, why did you even bother to sign up? Or are you too lazy to start working within a few months and therefore aiming for a "thesisjaar" ?

In previous mafia games I was able to keep up quit well, this one just feels quite busy with few substansial posts written (I'm guilty here). If I stay alive a few more rounds I'll probably be able to keep track. The first few rounds tend to be nearly random lynchings anyway :shrug:

Orb

05-12-2007, 12:35

Oh, and Unvote

Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
Pever 1 (Stig)
Sapi 1 (Faust)
doc_bean 2 (Ichigo, Omanes)

Orb

05-12-2007, 12:39

Vote: The Stranger

let's put some pressure on the king of unsubstantial posts

Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
Pever 1 (Stig)
Sapi 1 (Faust)
doc_bean 2 (Ichigo, Omanes)
The Stranger 1 (Orb)

sapi

05-12-2007, 13:38

Vote: TS

One vote does not pressure make.

Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
Pever 1 (Stig)
Sapi 1 (Faust)
doc_bean 2 (Ichigo, Omanes)
The Stranger 2 (Orb, sapi)

Stig

05-12-2007, 15:29

Unvote, vote: TS

two votes does not pressure make ~D

Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
Sapi 1 (Faust)
doc_bean 2 (Ichigo, Omanes)
The Stranger 2 (Orb, sapi, Stig)

We should either now focus on one player, or Sasaki should put a time limit on voting, otherwise we get nowhere.

Orb

05-12-2007, 15:33

Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
Sapi 1 (Faust)
doc_bean 2 (Ichigo, Omanes)
The Stranger 3 (Orb, sapi, Stig)

///

Stig

05-12-2007, 15:38

///
smartass

I would challenge you would I not have already done that

Orb

05-12-2007, 16:01

?

The count needed to be fixed.

Caius

05-12-2007, 17:15

two votes does not pressure make
Bandwagon.Clearly

Vote:Stig

Stig

05-12-2007, 19:32

Bandwagon.Clearly

Vote:Stig

And how are you going to give someone 8 votes without making more then 2 votes.
You aren't contributing like you normally do and now come in to accuse me of bandwagoning.
I'll countervote you as normally you will get all jumpy about it. How will you react this time?

Unvote, vote: Caius

Faust|

05-12-2007, 21:31

I dislike taking my vote off Sapi, but:

unvote:
vote: The Stranger

Originally Posted by fixed the count
Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
doc_bean 2 (Ichigo, Omanes)
The Stranger 3 (Orb, sapi, Faust)
Caius 1 (Stig)
Stig 1 (Caius)

Stig

05-12-2007, 21:46

So Caius, what do you say about that?

Andres

05-12-2007, 22:16

Bandwagon.Clearly

Vote:Stig

No, it wasn't bandwagoning. It was a vote meant to put pressure. Since it is x votes to lynch, you need at least x-2 votes to put some real pressure on a player.

Orb

05-12-2007, 22:19

5 votes to lynch, according to Sasaki.

Stig

05-12-2007, 22:22

In that case
Unvote, vote: TS

that's real pressure

Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
doc_bean 2 (Ichigo, Omanes)
The Stranger 4 (Orb, sapi, Faust, Stig)
Stig 1 (Caius)

Caius

05-12-2007, 22:50

So Caius, what do you say about that?
I thogouth you were bandwagoning.
Unvote:Stig
I just want to hear about other players.Remember that everyone plays in this game, not a few of us.
I want to hear lurkers.There is a possibility one mafioso is lurking.

Andres

05-12-2007, 22:54

I just want to hear about other players.Remember that everyone plays in this game, not a few of us.
I want to hear lurkers.There is a possibility one mafioso is lurking.

Aren't you lurking yourself? Just a tiny little bit?

Caius

05-12-2007, 22:55

Aren't you lurking yourself? Just a tiny little bit?
You know, I have serious Diplomat things to do...

Csargo

05-13-2007, 02:25

I'de put the fifth vote on the Stranger since he deserves it, but I not that dirty.

sapi

05-13-2007, 04:15

I thogouth you were bandwagoning.
Unvote:Stig
I just want to hear about other players.Remember that everyone plays in this game, not a few of us.
I want to hear lurkers.There is a possibility one mafioso is lurking.
Didn't Sasaki say that lurkers would be wogged at the end of this round?

Tran

05-13-2007, 04:32

And therefore Caius = guilty? ~;p :rolleyes:

sapi

05-13-2007, 04:49

Don't put words in my mouth.

I said no such thing.

ByzantineKnight

05-13-2007, 05:44

Don't put words in my mouth.

I said no such thing.

Then what were you saying?

sapi

05-13-2007, 05:56

Exactly what the post says.

I was asking if anyone could confirm what I remembered Sasaki saying about lurkers being killed at the end of this round...

ByzantineKnight

05-13-2007, 06:16

Exactly what the post says.

I was asking if anyone could confirm what I remembered Sasaki saying about lurkers being killed at the end of this round...

Ok, sorry :embarassed:

Twilightblade

05-13-2007, 06:25

After reading the thread I think Vote: doc_bean

Orb 3 (ByzK, HughT, pever)
Xehh II 3 (CR, Xdeath, Pannonian)
Kage 1 (greaterkhaan)
doc_bean 3 (Ichigo, Omanes,TB)
The Stranger 4 (Orb, sapi, Faust, Stig)

sapi

05-13-2007, 06:37

Any reasons, TB?

Twilightblade

05-13-2007, 06:55

Well he never answered Andres's questions from a page or 2 ago and when I added that I would like to hear some answers there was still no response.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-13-2007, 07:59

I was asking if anyone could confirm what I remembered Sasaki saying about lurkers being killed at the end of this round...He did say that.

sapi

05-13-2007, 08:14

Then we might as well ignore them (unless of course they return just in time to save their own skins) and focus on the active players

Sigurd

05-13-2007, 09:28

I had forgotten how time consuming mafia games were, I have a master thesis to write that is due in two weeks.

You mean; you have a masters thesis to brush up and make pretty before handing it in two weeks from now... if not - screwed big time!!!

doc_bean

05-13-2007, 09:47

You mean; you have a masters thesis to brush up and make pretty before handing it in two weeks from now... if not - screwed big time!!!

I still have to write parts, but mostly results and appendices, insert lots of pictures, then rewrite a bunch of stuff, make an introduction and an abstract, etc.

But at least I'll have something to hand in...

Andres

05-13-2007, 10:47

I'de put the fifth vote on the Stranger since he deserves it, but I not that dirty.

Coward!

Maybe this will help:

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

The Stranger

05-13-2007, 14:45

is this phase over? Am i lynched now??? Hahahah, I got back what I did to black Axe... :P I was gone for 2 days to Paris... anyways... im going to skin through the thread... cuz i havent found any accusitions accept...

You spam, so you DIE

The Stranger

05-13-2007, 14:47

Pfff... if this isnt the mother of all bandwagons :P There is totally no argument... How must I defend myself...

I don't know who to vote for, so I vote No Lynch

Sigurd

05-13-2007, 15:08

I still have to write parts, but mostly results and appendices, insert lots of pictures, then rewrite a bunch of stuff, make an introduction and an abstract, etc.

But at least I'll have something to hand in...
Ugh...

I remember having to rewrite whole sections up to 4 times before my supervisor was happy with it.

The Stranger

05-13-2007, 15:13

All who voted for me are suspicious...

I went from 0 to 4 votes in like 10 posts... And the reason, Put Pressure on him, why? He spams...

Better come up with a good reason for your votes...

My defence:

Why do you spam, sir?
- I was attempting to be funny, sir. Since when has that become illegal?
Since Orb, Sapi, Stig and Faust became boss.
- Oh...

Sigurd

05-13-2007, 15:14

I see this day is not over yet...

What are the allegations against The_Stranger?
Why should I put the last vote on him?

I see he has responded, but frankly I wouldn't know what to defend against if it were me who had these so-called preassure votes.

Anyone, why should we lynch The_Stranger?

Stig

05-13-2007, 15:16

TS has been unhelpfull and just posts away making no sense.
Let him make a sensible post and he doesn't get lynched.

But all he can say is:
I don't know who to vote

There's been loads of discussion, surely you should be suspicious of someone

The Stranger

05-13-2007, 15:22

Tran

05-13-2007, 15:41

...Since when has making no sense become a crime...
Since Sasaki Kojiro became the host, and Andres + Stig played in it :grin: :rolleyes:

The Stranger

05-13-2007, 15:47

so it seems...

Pannonian

05-13-2007, 16:40

Of the people on 3-4 votes, The Stranger was doing non-scummy activity on the first 2 nights (training), while I expect Xeh II to be wogged sooner or later. I know absolutely nothing about Orb's activities, and he hasn't really explained them to my satisfaction either.

Unvote: Xeh II
Vote: Orb

Orb

05-13-2007, 16:52

Training isn't exactly unscummy, if there are, as you claim, four mafia. I've checked my PM logs. I did absolutely nothing on the first two nights. If anyone wants to be trained by me tonight, I'm happy to do that. I sent a PM to someone offering to train them, it wasn't read or didn't get there or something.

Caius

05-13-2007, 17:09

And therefore Caius = guilty? ~;p :rolleyes:
Why Tran?

BlackAxe3001

05-13-2007, 17:33

eh... smartass... I've been away for 2,5 days... do think you I know who to vote for immediatly... when I do... ill change my vote...

But if your reason is for me to die because I dont know who to vote for your reason is rather weak...

Since when has making no sense become a crime... im trying to help by accepting the demand of an challenge... There is not more for me to do at day

Kharma is a b**** eh? At least you weren't dead because you were gone for 12 hours.

Your spamming is a cover up for being mafia. Spamming is only funny to a point, and you have gone way past that.

Not having a clue who to vote for is even weaker. I know who I would vote for and I'm dead and shouldn't care anymore. Lame excuses again.

There is not more for you to do at day? Yeah, don't want to get tired during the day, it will make it harder to kill people at night, mafioso.

The Stranger

05-13-2007, 20:46

i always spam... i spammed the hell out of CDCT and I was townie...

I train because I have nothing better to do but to up my kungfu score... for the town its actually good because i can win most fights without any trouble... so if they want someone to loose his nightactivity... im their man

Sigurd

05-13-2007, 22:23

I don't want to lynch either of the two top candidates ... yet.

However.. doc_bean should not be playing as he has a masters thesis to finish.
That he pops in when Sasaki has announced that players will be WoG'ed this round gives me the feeling that doc is sitting on a role... a mafia role perhaps?

vote:doc_bean (its for your own good if you are not mafia)

The_Stranger: 4 (Orb, sapi, Faust, Stig)
Orb: 4 (ByzK, HughT, pever, Pannonian)
doc_bean: 4 (Ichigo, Omanes,TB, Sigurd)

Xehh II: 2 (CR, Xdeath,)
Kage: 1 (greaterkhaan)
No lynch: 1 (the_Stranger)

threeway tie ... one vote to finish this.

Orb

05-13-2007, 22:40

Unvote, Vote: Doc Bean, and that's the lynch. Sorry.

I can't rightly prosecute TS further. I wouldn't be able to defend myself in his position much better, and I think his antics, although pretty weird and unhelpful, are in line with his usual playing style.

I'll have to follow Sigurd's reasoning here. Doc Bean, for his own health, shouldn't be playing, and the post timing is odd.

The_Stranger: 3 (sapi, Faust, Stig)
Orb: 4 (ByzK, HughT, pever, Pannonian)
doc_bean: 5 (Ichigo, Omanes,TB, Sigurd, Orb)

Xehh II: 2 (CR, Xdeath,)
Kage: 1 (greaterkhaan)
No lynch: 1 (the_Stranger)

Kagemusha

05-13-2007, 22:40

I dont have an idea who the mafia is and i dont want to get wogged,so Vote Greaterkhaan to return the favour.:smash:

Orb

05-13-2007, 22:46

Kage, if you'd posted that 10 minutes earlier, I would be calling the mother of all bandwagons on you.

Anyone who wants to train with me should PM me.

Stig

05-13-2007, 22:59

Sorry m8, but after I beat you in the duel you won't have a night action left ~D

Andres

05-13-2007, 23:01

I dont have an idea who the mafia is and i dont want to get wogged,so Vote Greaterkhaan to return the favour.:smash:

Guess you'll be feeling some pressure next day...

Sasaki Kojiro

05-13-2007, 23:21

doc_bean has been lynched.

Duels+wog will be up tonight. You may start sending night choices, I'll just ignore them if you lose a duel.

ChuggtheSquirrel

05-14-2007, 05:05

I'm not quite sure why everybody wanted to lynch The Stranger, but here's something I think was weird, aside from the first two votes:

I dislike taking my vote off Sapi, but:

unvote:
vote: The Stranger

Why did you take your vote off Sapi, if you suspect him, and put your vote on a "spammer"? :inquisitive:

Edit: Quote didn't work right.

Faust|

05-14-2007, 05:29

I'm not quite sure why everybody wanted to lynch The Stranger, but here's something I think was weird, aside from the first two votes:

Why did you take your vote off Sapi, if you suspect him, and put your vote on a "spammer"? :inquisitive:

Edit: Quote didn't work right.

Huh? Where did I say he was a "spammer"? I still suspect sapi... I have since the second round.

Also, this is just incorrect:

"I'm not quite sure why everybody wanted to lynch The Stranger"

Faust|

05-14-2007, 05:31

condensed the post into the one above

Sasaki Kojiro

05-14-2007, 05:33

doc_bean has been thrown off the cliff to his death.

The_Stranger: 3 (sapi, Faust, Stig)
Orb: 4 (ByzK, HughT, pever, Pannonian)
doc_bean: 5 (Ichigo, Omanes,TB, Sigurd, Orb)

Xehh II: 2 (CR, Xdeath,)
Kage: 1 (greaterkhaan)
No lynch: 1 (the_Stranger)

*******************

Kommodus challenges TwilightBlade
Omanes challenges Sapi
The_Stranger challenges Orb
Pannonian challenges Ichigo
Stig challenges Orb
pevergreen challenges sapi
sapi challenges pevergreen

****

Sapi vs pevergreen

Sapi is the better fighter, but pevergreen's white crane style helps him against sapi's praying mantis. Sapi is still victorious however.

***

Kommodus vs Twilightblade

It appears that Kommodus is a little bit better at fighting than TwilightBlade, but his dragon style loses out to Blade's praying mantis style and he is defeated.

***

Pannonian vs Ichigo

Both fighters are using white crane style. The fight goes on and on, both of them getting tired. It seems they are equals. Eventually they collapse in exhaustion.

****

The temple had strict rules about appropriate behavior. Monks were required to attend prayer every day. Yet lately there were some members who never appeared. Today these members were expelled from the temple:

Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187

*********

Killed (6):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH

Lynched (3):
Tran
BlackAxe
doc_bean

Expelled from Temple(6):
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187

Living (24):

Ichigo
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen
Faust|
Xdeathfire
Kommodus
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
Omanes
Stig
Warluster
Sigurd
Caius
Sapi
RoadKill
Orb
TwilightBlade
Pannonian
The_Stranger
HughTower

It is now night time.

Faust|

05-14-2007, 05:40

hm, the WOG definitely wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

pevergreen, you lost to sapi even with the style advantage... :inquisitive:

pevergreen

05-14-2007, 07:54

:jawdrop:

sapi, I definately think you have a role.

My score was 15.

Sigurd

05-14-2007, 07:55

Interesting results...

The duels ended as I and possibly we had hoped they would.

pever has a score that are at least a sapi -4… Since pever has not to my knowledge fought a single duel, this difference could be the two prior winnings for sapi (+4).

Kommodus had a low score and slightly better than Twilight; Twilight+2 at best.

Pannionian and Ichigo have the same score… good to know that equal scores results in a tie and no points.
I doubt Pannonian has been training these last nights and Ichigo has been unable to do so due to his “tiredness”.

One of the Mafiosi has a +4 from the night kills in addition to day training. Let’s hope it is not Sapi.

Sigurd

05-14-2007, 07:56

:jawdrop:

sapi, I definately think you have a role.

My score was 15.

Nothing to brag about m8... even my score will beat that.

sapi

05-14-2007, 08:12

Nothing to brag about m8... even my score will beat that.
Now that is interesting, if you're telling the truth, as it means that you've trained almost every night (or done so with a mentor - same difference)

Sigurd

05-14-2007, 08:34

Now that is interesting, if you're telling the truth, as it means that you've trained almost every night (or done so with a mentor - same difference)
This is right... I have not had anything else to do during the nights, so I trained.
I guess nobody trusts me enough to want me join a protection group. (WIFOM) :beam:

I should be a little lower than Orb since he has duelled twice, compared to my one duel.

Twilightblade

05-14-2007, 10:56

I won my duel? Now thats hilarious as my score is below 7 and Ill not be any more specific than that

Sigurd

05-14-2007, 12:39

Hey... I just saw the green name and the moderator title.

Congratulations sapi... :balloon2:

It might be a bit late for this, but I am an old man and my reflexes aren't what they used to be.

sapi

05-14-2007, 12:43

Hey... I just saw the green name and the moderator title.

Congratulations sapi... :balloon2:

It might be a bit late for this, but I am an old man and my reflexes aren't what they used to be.
A few months out, but thanks :bow:

Tran

05-14-2007, 13:00

Sigurd

05-14-2007, 13:06

Trying to look innocent, selfless, and pro-townie, eh? :rolleyes: ~:rolleyes:
*shhhhhhhhh*
They might not notice. :sweatdrop:

Tran

05-14-2007, 13:10

It's too late Sigurd...however, you can just make a redemption and I'm sure your fellow "good monks" will accept it :bow:

Kagemusha

05-14-2007, 14:15

Im bit confused.Im both on the list of the living and in the list of expelled from temple.Am i wogged now or alive?:embarassed:

doc_bean

05-14-2007, 14:17

Ah well, for my own good right :jester:

You still a good, honest monk though.

The Stranger

05-14-2007, 15:50

OMG... Sapi is strong... I doubt i coul beat him... maybe only with style advantage...

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-14-2007, 16:35

I thought that the points of Kung Fu stength only went up to ten.

The Stranger

05-14-2007, 16:41

nope...

Stig

05-14-2007, 16:49

I thought that the points of Kung Fu stength only went up to ten.
. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=156)

No that's the starting value. Mine is higher then 10 by now

The Stranger

05-14-2007, 17:05

only townies have 1-10 other roles my have higher... i guess... since otherwise Sapi couldnt have more than 17...

Orb

05-14-2007, 17:13

He could.

10. +4 for duels. +4 for day training (with the master). +1-3 for Night training = 19-21.

Orb

05-14-2007, 17:17

Noone interested in the training offer?

so be it.

Stig

05-14-2007, 17:25

Well I'd train, but I doubt you have double my points

I forgot to train on night 3, but otherwise I would have been well on my way by now.

Kommodus

05-14-2007, 18:01

Ugh. I just made an attempt to catch up on the thread. I see that, as expected, I have lost my duel and am probably doomed very soon.

Oh well. Honestly, I have some personal things going on which are, frankly, far more important than this game. I'll try to participate at least somewhat but for now my contributions are going to be a little thin. Sorry. :embarassed:

ChuggtheSquirrel

05-15-2007, 04:28

Huh? Where did I say he was a "spammer"? I still suspect sapi... I have since the second round.

"Spammer" was what the other people were calling him, and that seemed to be the only thing against him, to me at least.

Also, this is just incorrect:

"I'm not quite sure why everybody wanted to lynch The Stranger"

What did he have against him? :huh:

The Stranger

05-15-2007, 07:41

Yeah I want to know that myself too...

sapi

05-15-2007, 08:24

What did you have going for you?

You simply refused to make any kind of pro-town contribution...

The Stranger

05-15-2007, 16:55

eh no... I challenged someone on demand of the town...

Sigurd

05-15-2007, 17:13

Who came up with the idea that night time discussion was a no no ??
These 48 hour nights with little conversations is ... a drag at best.

Orb

05-15-2007, 17:17

Oh, and Sapi must have trained at least once to get a score of 19 without being mafia. Who with and when?

Pannonian, can you confirm this?

Orb

05-15-2007, 17:25

Oh, and Warluster, SIX posts and you survived the wrath of god?

Explanation, please?

The Stranger

05-15-2007, 17:27

cant... i trained once a night too and im on 17... i started with 10... i also bought all the fu lessons...

he could only get 19 or more by special role or winning a challenge but is it confirmed that your fuscore levels when you win a challenge... because i won a challenge and my score did not raise...

Orb

05-15-2007, 17:29

Yes, they do. Just bug Sasaki to confirm your score increase.

The Stranger

05-15-2007, 17:35

well... than i have been mugged from points... because i should be higher than 17...

Sasaki, could you please add me the score of the challenge... or atleast clear this part of the game up...

Andres

05-15-2007, 20:22

Who came up with the idea that night time discussion was a no no ??

I did, a long time ago, in one of my first mafia games. What can I say? I'm an authority around here and all these petty servants obey me, AndresDaMaster.

Bow for me, you inferior beings :whip:

Csargo

05-15-2007, 22:10

I did, a long time ago, in one of my first mafia games. What can I say? I'm an authority around here and all these petty servants obey me, AndresDaMaster.

Bow for me, you inferior beings :whip:

Horrible idea. Awful :wall:

Andres

05-15-2007, 22:16

Well, now that you're here, why don't you start contributing?

Csargo

05-15-2007, 22:33

Well, now that you're here, why don't you start contributing?

HMMMMMM?

Andres

05-15-2007, 23:10

It's a long night. I guess we have some very lazy mafiosi... :no:

Andres

05-15-2007, 23:12

Oh, and Warluster, SIX posts and you survived the wrath of god?

Indeed. Warluster is known for not being very active in mafia games. Add to that the night phases that take awfully long, which may be an indication of a mafia that doesn't pay much of attention to this game...

Andres

05-15-2007, 23:13

HMMMMMM?

And off course an unusual inactive Ichigo... :inquisitive:

Csargo

05-15-2007, 23:15

And off course an unusual inactive Ichigo... :inquisitive:

:inquisitive:

Andres

05-15-2007, 23:26

:inquisitive:

:7judge: -> https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif -> :hanged:

Csargo

05-15-2007, 23:39

:7judge: -> https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif -> :hanged:

Excuse me for not wasting my entire life in this thread... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bPv7QruNQw&mode=related&search=):dizzy2:

pevergreen

05-15-2007, 23:43

:angry:
No more YouTube Links!

Csargo

05-15-2007, 23:44

:angry:
No more YouTube Links!

:cry:

pevergreen

05-15-2007, 23:48

:focus:

Caius

05-15-2007, 23:50

:focus:
:no:

pevergreen

05-16-2007, 00:03

We shouldnt get back to topic? :inquisitive:

Csargo

05-16-2007, 00:05

We shouldnt get back to topic? :inquisitive:

Not like there's anything to talk about.

Csargo

05-16-2007, 04:39

So any update Sasaki?

ChuggtheSquirrel

05-16-2007, 04:54

I will be gone for a couple weeks, so I will not be participating... :no:

PS. Lynch the mafia!!! :hanged:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-16-2007, 05:35

Lo Mui made his way outside the temple complex and onto the grass in the moonlight. His hands shook as he crept forward, but not from the cold. His nerves had broken: he could not withstand the confines of the murderous compound this night, even if he were to survive it. He had determined to travel into the forest after dusk and take refuge for the night in its depths, where no man would find him. The rats would keep him company, instead. So he made his way into the woods.

Soon Lo Mui passed by a creek. He would not stay here; the gentle running water was too noisy for him. He wanted no noise, so that he might be able to perfectly hear anyone’s approach. So he continued to walk yet deeper into the forest.

After walking for an hour, Lo Mui at last entered an area of the woods where all was quiet. No water, not much wind, and even the animals were silent. This was perfect! Lo Mui found a large tree and sat down against its trunk. Sitting, he scanned the areas in front of him, looking intently as his ears adjusted to the silence. He saw no movement but tree limbs above, bowing ever so silently in the breeze as if to welcome their new guest. He would be secure this night for sure, he thought.

That moment he heard a voice in front of him: “Hi Lo Mui!” Startled, Lo Mui jumped up.

The voice came again as a figure approached: “What are you doing way out here?”

“I, why I have decided to seek the wilderness to clear my head.” Lo Mui blurted.

“Indeed” said the figure in front of him. “I often feel the urge to connect with nature as well… and I would too, but I don’t have the time. So instead, the least I can do is bestow that great gift upon you…”

With that the shadowy figure released an arrow that ran through Lo Mui's chest and buried itself deep within the tree trunk at his back. The killer quickly disappeared into the woods. Stunned, Lo Mui inspected the arrow shaft that had pinned him against the tree. He tried to free himself, but his attempts were pathetic as his strength was sapped. He persisted, but always his back bounced back against the tree. At last, exhausted, he shouted for help with as much force as he could summon. No man heard him, but the rats were now attentive.

***************

Killed (7):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH
Roadkill

Lynched (3):
Tran
BlackAxe
doc_bean

Expelled from Temple(6):
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187

Living (23):

Ichigo
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen
Faust|
Xdeathfire
Kommodus
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
Omanes
Stig
Warluster
Sigurd
Caius
Sapi
Orb
TwilightBlade
Pannonian
The_Stranger
HughTower

******

It is now day. 6 to lynch.

Next night will be 24 hours. 48 is a bit long.

Stig

05-16-2007, 06:13

Let's kick it of then:

Vote: Ichigo
Post like you normally do spammer

Csargo

05-16-2007, 06:48

Let's kick it of then:

Vote: Ichigo
Post like you normally do spammer

Fine. We're going into the fourth round and the best you have to lynch someone is their posting below average? When there can be many factors that go into the like exams soon, hanging out with friends and family, not to mention video games(lots and lots of video games), etc. It's amusing really. Of course I could just spam the thread to please you and myself admittedly. I'm not going to do that though because I have class :beam:

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-16-2007, 07:14

For some reasons I have suspitions over Stig and sapi. Stig, for claiming to have, a high Kung Fu score and sapi for buying something from the shop and having a very high Kung Fu score. I also feel Sigard may be a little bit dodgy, but I don't really know why. For now, I'll avoid voting.

sapi

05-16-2007, 07:44

Oh, and Sapi must have trained at least once to get a score of 19 without being mafia. Who with and when?I train alone - if there's someone with double my score, we're all doomed :grin2:

Sigurd

05-16-2007, 08:14

I guess I should start off the discussion then...

Only one kill this night.
Either a protection group was successful in their protection attempt or there are only two mafiosi and one got blocked during the duelling.

Do we know how many mafiosi there are in this game? I looked for this information in the dedicated info thread, but it does not say.
Ichigo, Kommodus, Pannonian and pevergreen got blocked last night. Who amongst these could be a likely mafioso?
If Sasaki has given the mafia high scores, pever would be my bet here. Sasaki could have given the mafia weak scores... and that is why they go for the obvious weak at night.

They killed Andres (1) with Kung Fu
They killed Disco (4) with Kung Fu
GH (?) or Redleg (?) was killed with Kung Fu

who knew they scores?

Also who here are able to do a text analysis? Having been mafia in two of Sasaki's games I know that he is loath to write the kills himself. If you do not send a description this would be the result:
"[name] was found dead in his bed". I tried to look for clues in the text but couldn't determine if they were written by a mainland European, a Brit, an Australian or an American. (anyone I missed?)
One thing did I catch:

That moment he heard a voice in front of him: “Hi Lo Mui!” Startled, Lo Mui jumped up.

The voice came again as a figure approached: “What are you doing way out here?”

“I, why I have decided to seek the wilderness to clear my head.” Lo Mui blurted.

Look at the quote marks... and compare them to this: "hello"...
These kills are obviously written in an editor of some kind, suggesting the writer gets the aid of grammar and spelling.
My guess is word, and both the writer and Sasaki copied then pasted it into the post.

Csargo

05-16-2007, 08:22

Vote:Sigurd ^^^^^^^^^^For that.

Ichigo=1(Stig)
Sigurd=1(Ichigo)

Andres

05-16-2007, 08:48

Look at the quote marks... and compare them to this: "hello"...
These kills are obviously written in an editor of some kind, suggesting the writer gets the aid of grammar and spelling.
My guess is word, and both the writer and Sasaki copied then pasted it into the post.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the write-up. There is a punctutation thread in the Mead Hall where you can read how to put those quote marks correctly. Once you know that, it's easy to place them deliberately wrong.

It's also being pretty eaisy to deliberattely making some grammatical or spellings mistakes.

Don't tell me that, you, off all players, never considered that when making a write-up as mafia...

Just my 2 cents...

Sigurd

05-16-2007, 13:48

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the write-up. There is a punctutation thread in the Mead Hall where you can read how to put those quote marks correctly. Once you know that, it's easy to place them deliberately wrong.

It's also being pretty eaisy to deliberattely making some grammatical or spellings mistakes.

Don't tell me that, you, off all players, never considered that when making a write-up as mafia...

Just my 2 cents...

I was not pointing out how these quotations were used...
I am pointing out the fact that they use an editor for their kill descriptions (the quotation mark look: " vs.“). This suggests that they need not be that good in english.
If this game was in Norwegian I would not need to use an editor, as an example.

I can't remember using grammar errors in my writeups as mafia, but I sure did in the pms when hosting.
It could be that mafia tries to obfuscate their writeups a tad, but it has been a while since we used this approach to find mafia. I am merely suggesting we look into it. Those who know the english language better than I, should be able to come up with a profile for these mafiosi goons.

Sigurd

05-16-2007, 13:54

What about my 1 kill comment
Anyone like to share their view on this?

seireikhaan

05-16-2007, 13:55

sapi

05-16-2007, 14:08

Sigurd, while I respect your effort, I'm of the opinion that judging based on writing style is a dead end.

Any competent writer could easily change his style to fool a reader (presuming, of course, that english was his native language), so you're not likely to find that much out ~:(

Sigurd

05-16-2007, 14:20

Well, I think I could help in that regard. I'm pretty good at English, at least for a 17 year old. Of course, it doesn't hurt that I've been taking English since God only knows when. I feel like I've been taking English classes for about 15 years. I did get a 32 on my ACT English section, also. What would I need to do?

Make profiles on the write-ups.
e.g.
Night one, first kill: good English, British phrases so and so... using mature wording. Could be a person from Britain in the age group of 30-36...

Also point out the grammar faults... we could determine if they are accidental or deliberate.

What I am thinking here is: people with bad writing skills are usually not capable of faking good English.
Someone good at profiling would be able to detect the nuances.

seireikhaan

05-16-2007, 14:42

OK, I'll give it a run. It'll be hours before I can do anything, I'm using a little free time in school right now, I don't get out for another 8 hours or so.

Crazed Rabbit

05-16-2007, 18:05

Obviously, the mafioso is one of five people:
doc_bean, thrown off the cliff, or
Ichigo
pevergreen
Kommodus
Pannonian, all immobolized last night.

It would appear the mafioso disabled/killed was the kung fu one -or- they transfered the bow.

Sasaki, Can immobolized players transfer items after being defeated in a duel?

That conclusion would be odd, as it seems likely to me the kung fu killer is, well, good at Kung fu.

Kommodus isn't good at kung fu.

Ichigo isn't that good at kung fu, and he was exactly equal to Pannonian.

So, either pevergreen is mafia or doc bean is mafia.

Or, of course, they just decided to do one kill to mess with us. Or one mafia didn't turn in their kill report on time.

Gah.

CR

Stig

05-16-2007, 18:16

Remember that we are the Kung Fu masters and the mafia are the infiltrators. So I think there's a good chance they're bad at kung fu

Sasaki Kojiro

05-16-2007, 18:21

Immobilized players may not transfer items at night.

All players had their scores randomly calculated at the beginning of the game.

Csargo

05-16-2007, 19:50

Orb

05-16-2007, 20:29

How's our friend warluster?

6 posts and Wogless, IIRC.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-16-2007, 20:56

How's our friend warluster?Seems odd that he is not WoGed - I would have thought that mafia would me more awake though, having a nice very interesting role and all, so, really, it all balances out to a non-conclusive argument.

Csargo

05-16-2007, 20:59

How's our friend warluster?

6 posts and Wogless, IIRC.

War's active when he's mafia.

Orb

05-16-2007, 21:32

Maybe so, but not getting Wogged is very suspicious.

Vote: Warluster

Pannonian

05-16-2007, 22:58

Can our resident kung fu experts arrange for duels with the following? Regardless of who is lynched, it would be good to see the following not get a night action, or at least have to account for their activity so far.

Warmaster Horus
CountArach
Warluster

TevashSzat

05-16-2007, 23:54

Hmm I have a half decent kung fu score so i will Challenge: Warluster

Orb

05-17-2007, 00:00

Fine

Challenge: Count Arach

pevergreen

05-17-2007, 01:36

Challange: Warmaster Horus

If the mafia have a high score to start with, sapi is more likely of being mafia.

I started with an 8. In that duel my score was 15, you can work out what i did.

Stig

05-17-2007, 01:58

challenge: Pannonian

I simply don't trust him (and I"m drunk atm

Csargo

05-17-2007, 05:29

challenge: Pannonian

I simply don't trust him (and I"m drunk atm

heh.

sapi

05-17-2007, 08:07

pevergreen, please withdraw your challenge or I will trounce you again on suspicion of being a mafia.

Why?
1) You're one of the suspects. Suspects should not take part in a process designed to narrow them down, except as victims.
2) You missed Sasaki's blatently obvious post a few above yours explaining the kung-fu system w.r.t mafia

pevergreen

05-17-2007, 08:18

I know i missed it.

I've half a mind to fight you again, but it would just give you more points. Dirty, Dirty mafia. :whip:

Unchallange: Warmaster Horus

Challange: Twilightblade

I need the points to disable sapi. I am sure he is mafia.

Lets look at it this way, sapi is mafia, he fights me and wins, but by not killing someone, he frames me. I am convinced he is mafia.

Twilightblade

05-17-2007, 08:20

So you pick on the weak guy. Real brave pever:thumbsdown:

sapi

05-17-2007, 08:29

Challenge: pevergreen

I will withdraw if requested by Pannonian in favour of Horus

:bow:

pevergreen

05-17-2007, 08:33

Awwww. Dirty Mafia trying to frame me again?

sapi

05-17-2007, 08:46

I would be fascinated to see any evidence that you have to that effect.

In the mean time, I'll consider you suspicious (as you're one of the 'mafia suspects' who were blocked last night)

OOC: Your sig doesn't look as good since Tosa changed the text wrapping to stretch. You might want to have a look at that.

pevergreen

05-17-2007, 09:22

my sig shall look as it does.

Think of me as suspicious if you wish.

I trained Twilightblade, check with Pannonian.

Andres

05-17-2007, 17:28

After 36 hours, three people voted:

Vote tally:

Ichigo: 1 (Stig)
Sigurd : 1 (Ichigo)
Warluster : 1 (Orb)

You don't need to spend your life in this thread, but...

Stig

05-17-2007, 17:33

Hey, don't blame me ~D

Sasaki Kojiro

05-17-2007, 17:38

4 to lynch

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-17-2007, 17:47

I trained Twilightblade, check with Pannonian.In his absence, I can confirm that that is what Pan' said.

I'm not sure who to trust in the sapi vs. pevergreen war. I, for some reason, think that you may be together, yet I'm not sure why.

Anyhow, we need to get out of this loop and try and isolate who is the mafia and if doc_bean was mafia. We should make no challenges tonight, but should still target one of the below for lynching. Tomorrow, if the night kills are as prior to last night, we should try challenging them one by one, individually, and see what it comes up with that night in terms of kills.

So today we need to lynch one of the below. Tomorrow, need to challenge (that job needs assigning to a good strong Kung Fu user)/lynch one of the below:
Ichigo
pevergreen
Kommodus
Pannonian (He's suspected as an innocent, so we should leave him till last if all else fails)

So, Vote: Ichigo - he's first on the list (we have to start somewhere).

BTW, I just realised that protection may have occurred here - this renders this list out-dated.

Andres

05-17-2007, 17:51

nevermind.

Orb

05-17-2007, 18:27

Ichigo: 2 (Stig, Omanes)
Sigurd : 1 (Ichigo)
Warluster : 1 (Orb)

Please participate more...

Pannonian

05-17-2007, 19:20

Sod the program-writing, I'll just manually log all the posts instead and sort through them by brute force. Analysis up in a couple of hours, if RSI doesn't get me first.

Pannonian

05-17-2007, 19:33

Is there any way of getting a csv list of posts paired with posters? Something like this, done in blocks of 30-100, would be nice.

Sasaki Kojiro,Ichigo,Warmaster Horus,pevergreen,Faust
...etc.

Orb

05-17-2007, 19:37

Doubt it.

Csargo

05-17-2007, 19:47

In his absence, I can confirm that that is what Pan' said.

I'm not sure who to trust in the sapi vs. pevergreen war. I, for some reason, think that you may be together, yet I'm not sure why.

Anyhow, we need to get out of this loop and try and isolate who is the mafia and if doc_bean was mafia. We should make no challenges tonight, but should still target one of the below for lynching. Tomorrow, if the night kills are as prior to last night, we should try challenging them one by one, individually, and see what it comes up with that night in terms of kills.

So today we need to lynch one of the below. Tomorrow, need to challenge (that job needs assigning to a good strong Kung Fu user)/lynch one of the below:
Ichigo
pevergreen
Kommodus
Pannonian (He's suspected as an innocent, so we should

So, Vote: Ichigo - he's first on the list (we have to start somewhere).

Why?

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-17-2007, 19:53

Why?You are top of the list I made and you were inactive last night. A night when the kills were different. Sorry to pick on you, but we had to start somewhere.

Caius

05-17-2007, 20:12

You are top of the list I made and you were inactive last night. A night when the kills were different. Sorry to pick on you, but we had to start somewhere.
Can you share that list?

Orb

05-17-2007, 20:14

I'm off to watch House soon, so I'm throwing my vote in now.

Unvote, Vote CR

Putting pressure on lurkers..

(vote tally as before, but I'm voting for CR, not for Warluster)

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-17-2007, 20:16

Can you share that list?I already have (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1545530&postcount=928).

Csargo

05-17-2007, 20:22

You are top of the list I made and you were inactive last night. A night when the kills were different. Sorry to pick on you, but we had to start somewhere.

https://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4528/tehboxxk9.jpg

Andres

05-17-2007, 21:03

I'm off to watch House soon, so I'm throwing my vote in now.

Unvote, Vote CR

Putting pressure on lurkers..

(vote tally as before, but I'm voting for CR, not for Warluster)

I know a better way:

CRAZED RABBIT, ARE YOU MAFIA? SIMPLE "YES" OR "NO" ANSWER PLEASE.

Csargo

05-17-2007, 21:08

I know a better way:

CRAZED RABBIT, ARE YOU MAFIA? SIMPLE "YES" OR "NO" ANSWER PLEASE.

That's dirty.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-17-2007, 22:09

I've just stupidly realised something, but my vote on Ichigo still stands - just incase that my realisation was not the case.

Csargo

05-17-2007, 22:12

I've just stupidly realised something, but my vote on Ichigo still stands - just incase that my realisation was not the case.

:huh:

You still don't have anything on me. I've been out of commission every night besides the very first kills. Now that there has only been one kill how am I highest up on the list?

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-17-2007, 22:22

I've been out of commission every night besides the very first kills. Now that there has only been one kill how am I highest up on the list?Your not on the top of the list in that sence. The fact that you are simply on the list is the reason that you are been voted for - not because I find you anymore dodgy than pevergreen or Kommodus.

Csargo

05-17-2007, 22:43

Well until you come up with something better than you're on my list so I'm voting you don't expect me to respond to your posts.

pevergreen

05-17-2007, 23:35

Ichigo
pevergreen
Kommodus
Pannonian

Well I'm not going to vote for myself. I think the time has come for Kommodus to reveal what his programs are saying.

Vote: Kommodus

Until you show your results.

seireikhaan

05-18-2007, 05:01

Ok, here's my kill analysis, as promised. Sorry its a tad late, but finals week is a comin' round the corner. Please note some of this will be my interpretation of the posts. If you disagree, please discuss. If you feel that analyzing writeups is a waste of time, then so be it. I did this for those who felt it might help(myself included)

1st kill(Dutch Guy) Overall, was a pretty short kill and not much to go on. Only missing a couple of commas in minor places. The language style used isn't quite as common in the US, more common in Britain. Unfortunately, its nothing really glaringly British or Australian, it could still easily be someone from the US or elsewhere, so more analysis will be needed.

2nd kill(Chugg) Something struck me odd about this kill. The first thing was that it began with the word 'meanwhile'. This gives me an indication that it is quite likely that the same person wrote both kills. Looking through the rest, the few errors are in the exact same mold as the previous kill, missing a punctuation here and there. Overall, the write-up was fairly well done, with a variety of language and no grammatical errors, such as spelling. So far, assuming that indeed the same person wrote both kills, my guess is that our killer is perhaps in his mid twenties, graduated from college, but forgetting some of the finer details of writing. If I had to hazard a guess at nationality, I would probably say British, but that is far from affirmed at this point.

3rd kill(Andres) Overall, this was a solid case of writing, with the exception of a mistake regading to and too. The style of writing seems moderately eloquant. Perhaps the biggest hint here is a referance to metres. This is a strong indicator at someone outside of the US for this kill. To me, the biggest thing regarding that is the spelling of it. The spelling is in British style, so perhaps we have a Brit on our hands here. As a side note, I'm not sure how each country spells it, though my guess is that the US is the only one to spell it meter(just because we've got to be different, as always.:wall:

4th kill(Disco) Gah! There's practically nothing to this post. Doesn't really reveal much, though my guess is that this was written by someone who either very much dislikes writing, or isn't very skilled at it, as it seems to have been written with very little to no effort. As a note, I found it interesting that during the writeup, it would alternate between calling Disco his game name and calling him Disco. I'm taking this as a sign that the mafia likely doesn't need game names to kill. My guess would be that Sasaki probably subs in the game names on the writeups and leaves it at that, only on this one, he missed Disco's name a few times, perhaps.

5th kill(Redleg) Yet another very short writeup. My guess is that this was done by the same person who wrote up Disco's kill, very short. It doesn't go much into detail. In addition, it is done in the same style as Disco's kill, as a fake training session. A missed comma or two, not much to comment on grammar.

6th kill(GH) Written in the same style as Andres' kill, with the exception that this kill was done with a bow and arrow instead of kung fu. In both of the kills, the killer claimed a favor from the victim, and used it to aid in their deaths. We are beginning to see a theme in that the killers for the longer kills are being given some kind of identifier. For Chugg, it was the robed monk. For Andres, it was the hooded monk. Now, it is the masked monk. Once again, the grammar was solid, but comma's were yet again missing from places they should have been. There was one slight fragment when the killer spoke to GH, not really noticeable but still incorrect. Also, my guess is that this writeup was done by someone who has a fair amount of mafia experience. My reasoning for this was the portrayal of GH as "the eldest, wisest monk in the temple". My belief right now is that this person is probably from Europe, mid twenties and graduated from college. Their intelligent, but are beginning to forget some of the details of writing. I believe this to be the same person who killed Andres. My estimation is that they realized that having a high kung fu score could draw suspicion on them, and consequently went to a weapon to temper a high kung fu score.

7th kill(Roadkill) So far, this was the most well written piece. There were no errors that I could find within the writeup. Clever ending, as with GH's. The endings are so similar, in fact, that I think this was the same person. Yet another similarity, was the use of the bow to kill. One thing that really bothered me reading this was the use of "Hi!" It seemed rather inappropriate for the setting. Just didn't seem to fit the rest of the writeup. Now, I don't know how much people use 'Hi' in the rest of the world, but I know that it is frequently used here in the US. Any input from those who would know would be appreciated.

So, here's my summary so far. Night one kills were probably done by the same person. Likely, one mafioso couldn't PM Sasaki their night orders, so the person who wrote up one of the kills had to writeup another one and send it in for the partner. Based on style of post, its possible that this person had to writeup the two very short kills as well. They probably sent it to Sasaki as a backup and one mafioso hasn't been participating much, as the backups were used. I believe that the Andres, GH, and Roadkill kills were all done by a single person as well, due to consistencies in both style and grammar.

So, according to analysis and my interpretation of it, here are my character outlines for the mafia, with three total mafia.

Mafia one: Wrote up 1st two kills and possibly the redleg and disco kills as well. Probably somewhat experienced at mafia. Probably somewhere in the age range of 18 to 24. Interpreting a nationality is rather difficult at this point. Not enough info for an accurate guess at this point.

Mafia two: Either inactive or inexperienced at being mafia. May have written up Redleg and disco kills, or perhaps failed to pm sasaki and a backup was used in place. My guess right now: Warluster.

Mafia three: Likely a very experienced player. GH kill hints at least some experience at mafia. Similar kill themes for Andres, GH, and Roadkill, including a witty ending to GH and Roadkill deaths. Mostl likely isn't from US, hint coming from use of metres in Andres writeup. Likely British, but could be from elsewhere. Likely has a high kung fu score, and realized that a gigantic kung fu score would draw suspicion. Hence, use of the bow for the latter kills. Also, made similar use of a tree to the Buddha statue in the Roadkill/Andres writeups. People who might fit the bill: Orb, Hughtower, Coung Arach, and *possibly* Omanes. I think Omanes is the weakest candidate, with the others vying for top suspect.

seireikhaan

05-18-2007, 05:06

Also, Vote: Warluster. My belief is that he's the second mafia. Just seems to fit the bill, imo.

Csargo

05-18-2007, 05:11

Also, Vote: Warluster. My belief is that he's the second mafia. Just seems to fit the bill, imo.

:huh:

seireikhaan

05-18-2007, 05:33

Csargo

05-18-2007, 05:43

Read my post, Ichigo. Someone who's been largely inactive, and therefore the other mafia had to write in some, or all of his kills. Warluster's got, IIRC, 6 posts the entire game, and yet wasn't wog'd. Now why would Sasaki keep him alive? Because he probably doesn't want to have to wog the mafia.

He should get WoG'd next round if not then vote for him then.

Unvote:Sigurd
Vote:Hugh

We've heard little from Hugh lately. I wonder why?

Ichigo: 2 (Stig, Omanes)
Hugh : 1 (Ichigo)
Warluster : 1 (khan)
CR:1 (Orb)

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-18-2007, 07:04

BTW, that night somebody could have been protected, so that list is a little bit outdated and incorrect. However, somebody may not be protected.

pevergreen

05-18-2007, 07:10

Ichigo: 2 (Stig, Omanes)
Hugh : 1 (Ichigo)
Warluster : 1 (khan)
CR:1 (Orb)
Kommodus:1(pevergreen)

Corrected.

Sigurd

05-18-2007, 07:25

Well done greaterghaan...

The short kill description could have been written by Sasaki because the Mafioso sent no story; just the kills.

To the metre vs. meter, I can see a few possibilities here.
I would have written it meter as that is the way we use it on mainland Europe. You suggest a Britt, but they still use feet and yards no?
It could be as you suggest a planted clue by a Brit/American who doesn't know how it is properly written.
However, we (Euros) would have had difficulties constructing good English, since we have had only a few years with English in school.

If it was a slip up by the writer it could as well be an Australian. I know they are using metrics down there.

You mention three Mafiosi… you know this because?
Some of the kills only mention the in game names… I take it you assume a lot here by placing a player to a kill description.

Csargo

05-18-2007, 07:36

BTW, that night somebody could have been protected, so that list is a little bit outdated and incorrect. However, somebody may not be protected.

See now you're thinking outside the box.

Ichigo: 2 (Stig, Omanes)
Hugh : 1 (Ichigo)
Warluster : 1 (khan)
CR:1 (Orb)
Kommodus:1(pevergreen)

Corrected.

My bad, sorry bout that.

Well done greaterghaan...

The short kill description could have been written by Sasaki because the Mafioso sent no story; just the kills.

To the metre vs. meter, I can see a few possibilities here.
I would have written it meter as that is the way we use it on mainland Europe. You suggest a Britt, but they still use feet and yards no?
It could be as you suggest a planted clue by a Brit/American who doesn't know how it is properly written.
However, we (Euros) would have had difficulties constructing good English, since we have had only a few years with English in school.

If it was a slip up by the writer it could as well be an Australian. I know they are using metrics down there.

You mention three Mafiosi… you know this because?
Some of the kills only mention the in game names… I take it you assume a lot here by placing a player to a kill description.

It's most likely that it was put in there as a red herring. It is strange that he would mention three mafiosi. I wonder what that's about.

sapi

05-18-2007, 07:50

Well done greaterghaan...

The short kill description could have been written by Sasaki because the Mafioso sent no story; just the kills.Yep, that's what I think.

To the metre vs. meter, I can see a few possibilities here.
I would have written it meter as that is the way we use it on mainland Europe. You suggest a Britt, but they still use feet and yards no?
It could be as you suggest a planted clue by a Brit/American who doesn't know how it is properly written.
However, we (Euros) would have had difficulties constructing good English, since we have had only a few years with English in school.Good point - at least one of the mafia is a native speaker.

If it was a slip up by the writer it could as well be an Australian. I know they are using metrics down there.Yep, we are.

afaik the only two Aussies left in this game are pever and myself.

Considering that a) I know I'm innocent and b) I know that pever can never be bothered writing 'to' and 'too' correctly (similarly with the 'there' stems iirc), Vote: pevergreen

pevergreen

05-18-2007, 08:26

i can too be stuffed with to.

Its metre down here isnt it? i always get it wrong... I know its centre. But it might be meter..

Damn my lack of spelling :laugh4:

A) I know i'm innocent as well. Check with Twilightblade.

Andres

05-18-2007, 08:44

As for the metre - meter thing. In my first kill descriptions as Mafia in Mafia VI, I went searching on the internet for American publicity slogans to insert them in my story and make the town believe that one of the mafia was an American. Nobody picked up on it or paid attention to the write-ups in that game though. I also remembered GH correcting the spelling and grammar in our write-ups.

Besides, if I was American and mafia, I'd use meters/metres in my write-up instead of yards...

But that's just me off course.

I agree with Ichigo, wait one more turn for Warluster. If he doesn't show up than, he should get WoG'ed. If he pops up to post something without real content, lynch him.

pevergreen and sapi need some more attention.

As for Kommodus, didn't he say he would be absent for a few days? Anyway, if he shows up, ask him to post his results on 'holmes'. He promised not to use it as mafia, so if he keeps dodging and ignoring your questions about holmes, he's most likely mafia.

Pannonian

05-18-2007, 11:17

I recommend leaving out Warluster, CountArach, and the others whom I've nominated for duels (can the kung fu experts see to those please?). If they don't have roles, they'll most likely be expelled/wogged next round, and if they do have roles, we'll see them survive. No need to waste a round lynching them as yet.

Someone I have no info on whatsoever is Crazed Rabbit, who has managed to avoid discussion, avoid detectable night time activity, avoid drawing discussion, yet has managed to survive. People have, of course, tested his reputation for truth by asking him the question, which he hasn't yet answered. Rabbit, are you scum?

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Ichigo: 2 (Stig, Omanes)
Hugh : 1 (Ichigo)
Warluster : 1 (khan)
CR:2 (Orb, Pannonian)
Kommodus:1(pevergreen)
pevergreen : 1(sapi)

Sigurd

05-18-2007, 12:35

Someone I have no info on whatsoever is Crazed Rabbit, who has managed to avoid discussion, avoid detectable night time activity, avoid drawing discussion, yet has managed to survive. People have, of course, tested his reputation for truth by asking him the question, which he hasn't yet answered. Rabbit, are you scum?

I would like to know too.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

CR: 3 (Orb, Pannonian, Sigurd) - will be lynched with the next vote
Ichigo: 2 (Stig, Omanes)
Hugh : 1 (Ichigo)
Warluster : 1 (khan)
Kommodus: 1 (pevergreen)
pevergreen : 1 (sapi)

Oh and... Challenge: Warmaster Horus(why should the other "masters" have all the fun?).

Xdeath vs. Warluster
Orb vs. CountA
pever vs. Twilight - WHY?
Stig vs. Pannonian - Suspicious?
sapi vs. pever
Sigurd vs. Warmaster Horus

pevergreen

05-18-2007, 13:24

sapi will you remove your challange if i remove mine?

seireikhaan

05-18-2007, 13:48

The reason I stated three mafia was because that was all I could really interprate from the writeups. I don't have any real hard evidence to support the three mafia theory, its just my guess based on kills. As for name issue, yeah, I kinda assumed that they went in the order that Sasaki went when he posted the killed list. I know for a fact that Andres was third and Disco was fourth, due to Disco's name being mentioned in the writeup. Since those two kills were put in order, I assume that Sasaki probably did all of the them in order when making the list of killed.

Okay, I'll follow the advice of others and withdraw my vote from warluster, for now. Unvote: Warluster.

To hopefully create a little more discussion, I'll vote: Ichigo.

Tally:
CR-3 (Orb, Pannonian, Sigurd)
Ichigo-3 (Stig, Omanes, Greaterkhaan)
Hugh-1 (Ichigo)
Kommodus-1 (pevergreen)
Pevergreen-1 (Sapi)

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-18-2007, 18:28

I withdraw my list and vote - I was influenced to make that list/vote through Crazed Rabbit's ideas. Since he is under suspition, it would be best not to trust him.

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Orb

05-18-2007, 18:28

As a younger Brit myself, I think that most younger Brits use meters/res when doing anything except height and anatomical measurements.

Orb

05-18-2007, 18:31

That's the fourth vote. CR is dead.

CR-4 (Orb, Pannonian, Sigurd, Omanes) (http://crazed.rabbit.justgotowned.com/)
Ichigo-3 (Stig, Omanes, Greaterkhaan)
Hugh-1 (Ichigo)
Kommodus-1 (pevergreen)
Pevergreen-1 (Sapi)

Orb

05-18-2007, 18:33

Sorry for the Ichigo-style link, but I had to fit it in somewhere in the thread.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-18-2007, 18:34

CR has been lynched. Write up is coming.

seireikhaan

05-18-2007, 19:13

So much for discussion...

Csargo

05-18-2007, 19:46

So much for discussion...

So much for a vote that actually has some accusations.:dizzy2: :inquisitive:

sapi

05-19-2007, 01:19

sapi will you remove your challange if i remove mine?I would have, but it's too late now ~:(

fwbos (frigging whole body of suspicion): Omanes

Csargo

05-19-2007, 01:30

fwbos (frigging whole body of suspicion): Omanes

:yes: :whip: Explain yourself Omanes. I'm voting you next round be wary. https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Crazed Rabbit

05-19-2007, 01:43

****, you morons lynched me?

Bah, screw the town then. I mean, goodness gracious, wasn't there supposed to be some ********* discussion?

If you morons lynch Omanes (here's my last bit of advice for you morons - he's mafia) I will not openly cheer for the mafia.

avoid detectable night time activity

Protecting and training aren't detectable?

CR

Oh, yeah, I was innocent. Completely. But guess what, I don't like parading that about first round of ever game so that the mafia kills me. Guess I can't leave the thread a couple days while job-hunting without getting lynched. Great.

GeneralHankerchief

05-19-2007, 01:47

And so it seems that
The person I pointed to
Long ago is at large.

Crazed Rabbit

05-19-2007, 01:56

Note: I have changed my sig, to serve as a constant reminder.

CR

Csargo

05-19-2007, 02:02

Note: I have changed my sig, to serve as a constant reminder.

CR

:beam:

And so it seems that
The person I pointed to
Long ago is at large.

nananananana

TevashSzat

05-19-2007, 02:18

Omanes, that is extremely suspicious there and same to all of those that just bandwagoned on CR the first vote on him. Pannonian seemed to be just a pressure vote, but Sigurd bandwagoned extremely quickly and then Omanes. I would say they are extremely suspicious to say the least.

Tran

05-19-2007, 02:33

CR got lynched...woohoooo!!! :bounce: :couch: :laugh: :2thumbsup: :smash: :elephant:

Caius

05-19-2007, 03:38

CR got lynched...woohoooo!!! :bounce: :couch: :laugh: :2thumbsup: :smash: :elephant:
Vote:Tran

Csargo

05-19-2007, 03:45

Vote:Tran

:inquisitive:

Caius

05-19-2007, 03:46

:inquisitive:
Why someone celebrate when we killed an innocent?

Csargo

05-19-2007, 03:50

Why someone celebrate when we killed an innocent?

Killed (7):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH
Roadkill

Lynched (3):
Tran
BlackAxe
doc_bean

Expelled from Temple(6):
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187

Living (23):

Ichigo
Warmaster Horus
pevergreen
Faust|
Xdeathfire
Kommodus
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Crazed Rabbit
CountArach
Omanes
Stig
Warluster
Sigurd
Caius
Sapi
Orb
TwilightBlade
Pannonian
The_Stranger
HughTower

Plus the round is over. CR was lynched. LYNCH CF!!!

Crazed Rabbit

05-19-2007, 03:51

CR got lynched...woohoooo!!!

You're celebrating an awful lot for the lynching of an innocent villager.

Why someone celebrate when we killed an innocent?

Well, tran is dead, so dredging up his bloated corpse for another go won't help.

CR

After Omanes, why not Sigurd for the lynch?

Caius

05-19-2007, 03:52

LYNCH CF!!!
Huh?

sapi

05-19-2007, 03:54

We have no proof that CR was innocent, remember, just issues over the fast-tracking of his death...

Crazed Rabbit

05-19-2007, 03:55

I think Ichigo is just joking. We all know the right target is Omanes.

CR

EDIT: For sapi - I am and always have been innocent in this game. I always strove through my actions to harm the mafia and help the villagers. I swear this to be true.

Csargo

05-19-2007, 03:56

Huh?

PAY ATTENTION OR BE LYNCHED!!

We have no proof that CR was innocent, remember, just issues over the fast-tracking of his death...

He said he was innocent so I believe him.

sapi

05-19-2007, 04:20

Oh, I'm not necessarily doubting him, just pointing out that people we lynched by definition shouldn't be innocent :grin2:

Crazed Rabbit

05-19-2007, 04:30

People aren't necessarily innocent, but I am.

CR

sapi

05-19-2007, 04:52

And a mafia wouldn't say the same? :laugh4:

Tran

05-19-2007, 06:07

You're celebrating an awful lot for the lynching of an innocent villager.

Kommodus
Crazed Rabbit
Orb
Ichigo
Caius
discovery1

I'm celebrating the death of all who dared to lynched me! :2thumbsup:

Guess who's next?

Csargo

05-19-2007, 06:12

Kommodus
Crazed Rabbit
Orb
Ichigo
Caius
discovery1

I'm celebrating the death of all who dared to lynched me! :2thumbsup:

Guess who's next?

Awwww look at the whittle :bigcry: :baby: Is he mad cause he got lynched?

Tran

05-19-2007, 06:15

You lynched an innocent :bow:

Csargo

05-19-2007, 06:19

You lynched an innocent :bow:

:shrug:

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-19-2007, 07:29

Csargo

05-19-2007, 07:33

For some reason something tells me that Crazed Rabbit may have been innocent - sorry. I will respect your original influencing post and vote against Ichigo next round.

I will reveal my role after this round if everybody starts a bandwagon against me.

:huh: Why do you seem hellbent on lynching me? You've got nothing against me, or at least nothing you've shown. If you've got something against me bring it out, and if not leave me alone.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-19-2007, 07:37

Csargo

05-19-2007, 07:54

I'm hellbent on lynching you because there is a chance that you are mafia - a 1 in 4 chance if CR's theory is correct. Since I dislike the way that you are posting, not helping the town at all, it's only defending yourself, and you are at the top of the list physically, you are my primary target.

I've already addressed that. Yes, and of course you putting the final vote on CR, was that your way of helping the town? And now you're going back to his theory after you just got him lynched. You thought he was suspicious enough to lynch him, why would you go back and decide that it's a good idea now?

Omanes Alexandrapolites

05-19-2007, 08:19

I regret that final vote - I now beleive that he is for the town. Siguard could also be a target too - he placed the frame on him.

Sigurd

05-19-2007, 17:04

I regret that final vote - I now beleive that he is for the town. Siguard Sigurd could also be a target too - he placed the frame on him.
I only put the actual preassure vote on CR with a red text next to his name in the tally: will be lynched with the next vote.

It was a warning to those who would have missed Sasaki's message of 4 votes to Lynch.
It was only a means to make him answer Andres' question, nothing more.

Who should we have lynced then CR?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-19-2007, 17:29

Lao Zhi for some unknown reason chooses to swear his innocence only after having been thrown into the air, and falls to his death.

CR-4 (Orb, Pannonian, Sigurd, Omanes)
Ichigo-3 (Stig, Omanes, Greaterkhaan)
Hugh-1 (Ichigo)
Kommodus-1 (pevergreen)
Pevergreen-1 (Sapi)

**********

Xdeath vs. Warluster
Orb vs. CountA
pever vs. Twilight
Stig vs. Pannonian
sapi vs. pever
Sigurd vs. Warmaster Horus

***

Orb vs CountA

Orb's Dragon style is at a disadvantage vs CountArach's praying mantis, but he handles him easily. The fight finishes in just under 10 seconds.

***

Sapi vs pevergreen

Sapi's dragon style gives him an advantage against pevergreens white crane, and he defeats him in exactly 10 seconds.

***

Sigurd vs Warmaster Horus

Sigurd's dragon gives him an advantage against WH's white crane, but it is hardly needed. This fight ends in record time.

***

CountArach and Warmaster Horus have both been expelled from the temple. In addition, HughTower has left voluntarily.

Killed (7):
Dutch_guy
ChuggtheSquirrel
Andres
discovery1
Redleg
GH
Roadkill

Lynched (4):
Tran
BlackAxe
doc_bean
Crazed Rabbit

Expelled from Temple(8):
Ignoramus
Killfrenzy
Ultrawar
Xehh
Kagemusha
Beefy187
CountArach
WarmasterHorus

Left the temple(1):
HughTower

Living (17):

Ichigo
pevergreen
Faust|
Xdeathfire
Kommodus
Greaterkhaan
ByzantineKnight
Omanes
Stig
Warluster
Sigurd
Caius
Sapi
Orb
TwilightBlade
Pannonian
The_Stranger

****

It is now night. Night ends 24 hours from now.