MTW2 Multiplayer Campaign

[FactionHeir]

I asked econ and got it.
Uploading save as we speak. Will PM Tristan.

When I logged in as England, I saw a part of France revealed for some reason, but everything indicated England was wiped out (including college of cardinals and agent/settlements screens)

[FactionHeir]

Save:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106-1.zip

[_Tristan_]

Seems strange when I entered Igno's PW i didn't see any part of France but rather Poland under FoW (which would seem logical as it was Ramses that played last turn...)

Anyway the save works and I will play as soon as possible

[Ramses II CP]

Whew! :2thumbsup:

I was quite worried, let me tell you. I let it sit on the rebel shield for a full five minutes before I saved and bailed.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

I was crossing my fingers the whole time when I opened the save...

It didn't want it to finish like this...

[FactionHeir]

Well, so can I expect to play Ichigo's turn in the next hour or two? :grin:

[_Tristan_]

I rather meant to play it tomorrow... Tonight is for the lady...

[FactionHeir]

Spoken like a true Frenchman :grin2:
Hope you have fun.

[_Tristan_]

HRE's turn

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106-1HRE.rar

[FactionHeir]

That's an interesting way of labelling :grin:
I'll upload Spain's shortly.

[_Tristan_]

That's an interesting way of labelling :grin:
I'll upload Spain's shortly.

I couldn't upload it as 1106-1 as I should have now that England is out...

All player should upload their save as year-x minus 1 so the save for Spain should be 1106-2 (instead of 1106-3) and so on...

[FactionHeir]

Well, you coulda named it -2 as usual :tongue2:
I think keeping to the old naming convention helps with locating the files you need and for backtracking when the game ends eventually.

Spain: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106-3.zip

[_Tristan_]

No problemo...

I'll stick to the naming convention...

[FactionHeir]

You are free to disagree with that you know. :grin:

[_Tristan_]

I know but it makes sense... so I'll go with the flow...

[Cecil XIX]

Turn complete. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

Didz's turn:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106-5.zip

[FactionHeir]

Was asked to play it, so its Denmark's turn now.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106-7.zip

[Ferret]

I hope you haven't wiped out the Russians :clown: I'm back now and ready to play any future turns.

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1106-8.zip

Poland's turn

[Ramses II CP]

France is up, but FYI it exhibited the same behavior of pausing on the rebel shield.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1108.zip

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

Great, we've been going at a pace of 1 turn a day almost since christmas :2thumbsup:
Pat yourselves on the back lads!

[_Tristan_]

Yes, a quick progress...

Mostly thanks to you FH... Subbing formultiple faction keeps a high rhythm...

I'll have the save uploaded at the start of next year...

[FactionHeir]

That means in 6 hours 34 minutes for you?

[_Tristan_]

That means in 6 hours 34 minutes for you?

Took a bit longer...

I was working today...:furious3:

Anyway save is up for HRE :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1108-2.rar

Let's get back to normal... Ichigo, your turn...

[Csargo]

Still not able to play...

[FactionHeir]

Taking save for you

[FactionHeir]

Spain: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1108-3.zip

And your inbox is full

[Cecil XIX]

Taking the save.

[Cecil XIX]

Turn complete. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1108-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

Taking save once your upload is complete

Scotland: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1108-5.zip

Russia: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1108-6.zip

[FactionHeir]

Friendly reminder/announcement for everyone:

Please make sure you do not accept any adoptions/man of the hour as this is against the MPC rules (not against MPC2 rules).
You are only allowed to have generals/family members that were there to begin with and those that married into the family.

I noticed a lot of factions/players who have violated this rule already.
So we have 2 options really:

- Keep as it is and allow further adoptions
- Keep to the rules we agreed to and kill off (i.e. boat ride) all generals that were obtained from violations

I think we should put this up for a vote of all participating players as it is rather widespread.
IIRC, Sicily, Scotland, Russia and England are the only factions that have kept to this rule.
I saw clear violations by HRE and France.
Not sure about Spain, Denmark and Poland.

[Cecil XIX]

I've remembered. Just got King Alfonso, Prince Rodriguez, and Vaasco who has married to Uraca.

[_Tristan_]

Sorry, I forgot... In the other hotseats I' am currently playing there are no such rules and I got caught up when fighting England...

However, I'm ready to follow any ruling about what is to do about the situation like drowning some generals in the middle of some straits...

Up until now, none of the new generals have been involved in battle except as captains thus becoming MoH... One notably killing William of England...
I thought it made sense IC to have him in the family...

[Ramses II CP]

I'm not sure if I accepted one or not, but I think so with the King's fourth 'son.' I had completely forgotten the rule, and I can't see the save right now but I believe that fourth guy is too old to be natural. Won't happen again, I made a note of it in my MPC campaign notes.

Too many balls in the air to remember all the different rules. ;) I like that rule though, I wish there were a way to enforce it in game and prevent the adoptions from being offered.

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

I'm fairly indifferent about it as in SP I usually keep a pure line anyway.
Still, I would like to hear a general opinion on how to go about this issue so everyone is on an equal footing rather than some swimming in generals and others trying to make ends meet. :yes:

[Ferret]

I'd prefer it if we all kept lines pure as the noble Rus' have done :clown:

save for Denmark:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1108-7.rar

[_Tristan_]

Frankly, I don't care either way...

In SP, I tend to accept any general that suits my need and I have done the same here (totally forgot about the rule)...

Perhaps we could make a ruling from what is the rule in vanilla (ie no more generals than provinces)

Why not fix the limit at half the number of province ?

It should enable player to do some recruitment of real good generals or IC MoH (like I did) without spamming generals...

Let's say you own 9 nine provinces, you're allowed up to 5 generals... So if you started with 3 generals in your family tree, that's two adoption possible...

It would allow players to keep lines as pure as possible and still allow for manageable "empires"...

[FactionHeir]

While your idea sound reasonable, it may become too complicated when you have a lot of regions and start losing them. You would then need to find time to kill off your excess each turn and just when you were about to do so you might gain another province that allows you to keep one...

It did give me another idea though....

The poll for it is open. Note that I forgot to make it display who voted what, so its anonymous.
I trust that you will not have your friends that are not part of the MPC vote in it :grin:

[Ramses II CP]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1110.zip

France is up. Announcements in the Diplo thread.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

Should play it tonite with the rest of my turns in other hotseats...

[_Tristan_]

Save for Ichigo...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1110-2.rar

And announcement to be made in the Diplomacy thread...

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1110-3.zip

Cecil's turn.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1110-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

Scotland:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1110-5.rar

[Ferret]

Danes: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1110-7.rar

[Ramses II CP]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC-1112.zip

France is up.

edit: I realized I messed up the naming convention a little bit, shouldn't have had a dash in there. Just take it out when you save Tristan, thanks. :)

:egypt:

[Tran]

Hold on...my turn was skipped? :inquisitive:

[Ramses II CP]

I don't mind doing my turn over again in the slightest (No battle results to be changed anyway), but according to our semi-official timekeeper you went over the limit. :oops:

:egypt:

[Tran]

I wonder though, who played my recent turn? It's okay for others to wait for few days but not for me...? :inquisitive:

I'll get my turn, but I won't rush :yes:

[Csargo]

I'm back so I can play my turns now.

[FactionHeir]

I wonder though, who played my recent turn? It's okay for others to wait for few days but not for me...? :inquisitive:

I'll get my turn, but I won't rush :yes:

I don't think anyone took longer than their limit by a few hours since the new year.
You on the other hand needed more than 60, which is way above the limit of 48.
According to our rules, your turn skipping was mandatory and since the new turns are already up, we shouldn't go back.

[Tran]

If Ramses wanted to replay his turn, then here's Poland's turn:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1110-8.zip

However I'm still curious who played my previous turn which was skipped?

[Ramses II CP]

Since we haven't heard from Tristan and it won't slow the game I'm happy to do my turn over. It'll be up soon.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Done, and corrected the naming convention so it's in the proper order:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1112.zip

Announcements all the same. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

OK, got the save...

Sorry for the delay but my internet was down since Thursday... and being away from work didn't help either...

Should have it tomorrow at the latest...

[_Tristan_]

New save for Ichigo :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC-1112-2.rar

[Tran]

This is for Tristan:


New save for Ichigo :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC-1112-2.rar
Sorry, I don't mean to bother you, but which "save" did you download?

This one:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC-1112.zip

France is up.

edit: I realized I messed up the naming convention a little bit, shouldn't have had a dash in there. Just take it out when you save Tristan, thanks. :)

Or this one:

Done, and corrected the naming convention so it's in the proper order:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1112.zip

[_Tristan_]

I downloaded the latest save from the saves list of the uploader... I think...

I'll check later today and come back to you...

[EDIT] Seeing how my uploaded save is named, I may have used the wrong save...

Is there anything that would allow me to know for sure ?

Can Ramses give me the date and hour of his save so that I can check ?

[_Tristan_]

Ichigo... Hold your horses...

I've taken the wrong save and will have to play my turn again..

[_Tristan_]

Sorry for the mess...

The original save I posted is the right one...

What got me is that the .zip is correctly labeled but once unzipped it appears as MPC-1112...

So I really played the right save...

Here is the link for Ichigo (PM sent)

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC-1112-2.rar

[Ramses II CP]

Crap, that's worrying. I'm quite sure I fixed the naming convention. Let me check and make sure I didn't upload the wrong %^^$&ing one a second time.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

That seems to be the correct one, as best I can reconstruct. I fixed the name for the .zip but saved over the old save for the .sav to try to prevent confusion (Mission failed!).

Anyway, proceed as normal, nothing to see here.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

I'll have my turn done tonight

[Csargo]

Turn done and uploaded

[Cecil XIX]

Turn downloaded.

Incidentally, until further notice I will only be able to play turns on weekdays from 16:00-22:00 GMT -5.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1112-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1112-5.zip

[Didz]

Russia's Turn

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1112-6a.zip

Not sure why but when I came to upload there was already a saved turn numbered MPC1112-6 so I was forced to add an 'a' suffix to get it accepted.

[FactionHeir]

I think we would all appreciate if you could play your turn within the 48 hour limit.

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1112-7.rar

[_Tristan_]

@ Didz : Clear up your inbox... I can't answer you...

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1112-8.zip

Poland's turn

[Ramses II CP]

I'll get it early tomorrow, pretty late here now. ;)

:egypt:

[Didz]

@ Didz : Clear up your inbox... I can't answer you...
Sorry should be plenty of room now.

[_Tristan_]

OK, PM is being sent...

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114.zip

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

Turn finally done... real sorry for the delay...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114-2.rar

Ichigo, you're up...

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114-3.rar

Turn done and uploaded.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114-4.zip)

[Csargo]

FactionHeir asked me to do his turn, so here it is.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114-5.rar

[Csargo]

Didz hasn't been on for a few days. Not sure what to do here.

[_Tristan_]

He usually checks regularly... Let's give him a day or two... Otherwise FH might have his password and I could sub for him as ally...

[FactionHeir]

72 hours have passed, his turn can be skipped.

Password is 1
(and it is in this thread already)

[_Tristan_]

To be fair to him, I am going to sub... Will post real soon...

EDIT : Save for Russia

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114-6.rar

[Ferret]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114-7.rar

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1114-8.zip

Poland's turn

[Ramses II CP]

I'll have it done soon.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

For France:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116.zip

King Wladyslaw is pleased to offer an alliance, trade rights, and an exchange of map information to the King of Spain, at long last. Also Adana was taken.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-3.rar

FH told me to skip France's turn because it's been 4 days.

[_Tristan_]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-3.rar

FH told me to skip France's turn because it's been 4 days.

Sorry guys, I plyed my turn but forgot to post...

Was sure I did it...

Will upload it now...

Ichigo could you go back and play your turn anew...

[_Tristan_]

Here is the save for France...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-2.rar

It would have been nice to receive a PM before skipping it...

[Csargo]

Here is the save for France...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-2.rar

It would have been nice to receive a PM before skipping it...

It had been four days...I don't think that warrants a PM. I'll redo my turn now.

[_Tristan_]

It had been four days...I don't think that warrants a PM. I'll redo my turn now.

Thanks and once again :stupid:

[Csargo]

Thanks and once again :stupid:

It's alright I should have PMed you before hand.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-3a.rar

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's Up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-4a.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-5.zip

[_Tristan_]

I'll sub for Didz if necessary...

He hasn't been on since the 26th...

[FactionHeir]

Subbing = submit within 48 hours of last posted official save
Skipping = submit after 48 hours.

Skip = load turn, enter pw, end turn, save, upload.

[_Tristan_]

I'll sub... which means save will be up tomorrow

[_Tristan_]

Save is up for Russia

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-6.rar

[Ferret]

can someone sub this turn for me? I really don't have time to play it.

[_Tristan_]

Will do...

I'll need your PW and directions...

[FactionHeir]

I'll do it since I subbed previously and know the password.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-7.zip

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1116-8.zip

Poland's turn

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1118.zip

No action of consequence except sending out a few random map exchanges to clarify borders and such.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

HRE's turn

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1118-2.rar

[FactionHeir]

This is a decent speed that we are picking up again, pat yourselves on the back guys.

Btw, how are your illicit generals Tristan? :tongue:

[_Tristan_]

One remaining, need a navy to finish him though... One should reach him soon...

Others have all drowned in shallow waters...

He hasn't move an inch in the meantime...

[Ramses II CP]

Mmm, I forgot, mine just went in the drink at Con., leaving a widowed 19 (?) year old bride to console herself.

Man, upkeep hits like a truck after a crusade. Looking forward to getting to those backfield Turkish cities now.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

Turn done and uploaded. I've just realized I'm surrounded by super-powers :cry:

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1118-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1118-5.zip

And I think its time to look for a replacement for Didz

[_Tristan_]

I'll sub one last time to keep the pace then Scotland is up for grabs...

[Zim]

Ok, although I'll gladly defer if Didz comes back and resumes play, for now it looks like I'll be playing Scotland. Tristan, if you don't mind I'd like to take the current turn. I've also sent a pm. :yes:

Anyone well versed in Scotland's diplomatic stances is welcome to pm me.

[_Tristan_]

Then as its most long standing ally, I'll PM you on your situation

[Zim]

Ok, I'll wait on the pm before playing the turn. :yes:

[FactionHeir]

General happenings in Scotland:

England attacked Scotland and beat them handily, forcing them to a hopeless last stand at the coast of Edinburgh, when Scotland had half the army strength and no funds.

During that English push however, France had crept up the channel and taken London and Nottingham with its crusader forces that were destined for Antioch. England defeated Scotland at the battle, forcing them to retreat with almost no forces left, but the very same year France took York, which was England's last province. Denmark had sent troops as well, but those did not reach Scotland in time to help.

Amazingly, France lost nothing to desertion due to taking a province each turn and garrisoning its forces inside.

Since, Scotland has been rebuilding, but efforts to ask the French to return several Island territories have been outright refused, and one could argue that Scotland is now France's little vassal kept at arm's length. :tongue:

[Zim]

Hmmm...now I see why didz hasn't been playing. :clown:

[FactionHeir]

Indeed, Scotland was excommunicated during the Island wars and when it was ready to rebuild, the King noticed that the French had taken Dublin and gifted it to the pope rather than giving it to Scotland.

The Scottish king however was not one to be meddled with and took Dublin back from the papacy, having nothing to lose.

[_Tristan_]

but efforts to ask the French to return several Island territories have been outright refused, and one could argue that Scotland is now France's little vassal kept at arm's length. :tongue:

Not at all true... Didz and I had an understanding that territories would be bought back which required him to fill his coffers first...

Now York and Nottingham have been returned to the Scottish crown... for the lowly sum of 500 per 10 turns... with troops in the bargain...

I don't know what Didz had in the books for the future however... Only thing I knew was that he wanted to negociate with the Pope in the hope of ending his excomm...

[Zim]

Seems like that was the only way to avoid being completely marginalized after the English betrayal of the Anglo-Scottish peace deal.


Indeed, Scotland was excommunicated during the Island wars and when it was ready to rebuild, the King noticed that the French had taken Dublin and gifted it to the pope rather than giving it to Scotland.

The Scottish king however was not one to be meddled with and took Dublin back from the papacy, having nothing to lose.

[Zim]

Done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1118-6.zip

Long Live our French Overlord! :charge:

[FactionHeir]

EF's turn is overdue, I'll be skipping it when I get back tonight.

[Zim]

Doesn't he have an ally to play his turn for him? I can do it if there's no conflict of interest.


EF's turn is overdue, I'll be skipping it when I get back tonight.

[FactionHeir]

Its been 72 houirs, so it has to be skipped rather than played since he has not arranged for a permanent sub.

[FactionHeir]

Denmark: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1118-7.zip

[Tran]

Hmm...odd, I have been trying to upload my save three times, the screen said I have uploaded the file, but I couldn't find my uploaded file anywhere within ORG database.

EDIT: http://www.4shared.com/file/37588681/4888fa9/multiplayerhotseatsave.html

Poland's turn

[FactionHeir]

Use mizus. Link in the uploader thread at the bottom

[Tran]

Already uploaded in my favorite server :2thumbsup:

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120.zip

The Sicilian offer was accepted, otherwise no business of consequence.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

Will get to it tomorrow

[_Tristan_]

Here's the save for the HRE

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-2.rar

[Csargo]

I'll have my save up sometime tomorrow.

[Csargo]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-3.rar

[FactionHeir]

Skipping Spain's turn. Save for Scotland up shortly.

Scotland: http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-5.zip

[Cecil XIX]

Hmm? I didn't upload my turn? Tch, how irritating. Ah well, I may as well go ahead and upload it now. I apologize for inconvienence Factionheir, but could you redo your turn? It doesn't make any difference if a turn is delayed another day.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-4.zip

[Zim]

I can take up the Scottish turn any time, so it's no bother to me if we start back from Cecil's turn. :yes:

[Zim]

I was asked to go ahead with the save, so Russia's up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-6.zip

[FactionHeir]

Hmm? I didn't upload my turn? Tch, how irritating. Ah well, I may as well go ahead and upload it now. I apologize for inconvienence Factionheir, but could you redo your turn? It doesn't make any difference if a turn is delayed another day.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-4.zip

A turn delayed another day may not be all that much, but add all those together and some needing more than a day, and this hotseat is never going anywhere unfortunately.

It was clear from the outset that turns would have to be played within 48 hours or be skipped. Thus far, its been rather lax on some occassions, but in the interest of all players involved, we need to keep to that limit. If you cannot play a turn within the 48 hour limit, have someone else play it for you within that limit. Just make sure that you announce it in the thread beforehand so people are aware.

Also, I would very much appreciate if players who already know in advance that they cannot play their turn could ask for it to be skipped or played by another. That has been done avidly in the past and has kept the game flowing rather nicely.

[Cecil XIX]

Fair enough. But it it has been my perception that this PBM has been moving along just fine, and such a strict interpretation is not necessary.

I ask that the other plays give their opinions, if none agree then the issue is settled. Regardless, I yield to Zim's save.

[Csargo]

I think this is partly my fault. I don't think I sent him a PM after I uploaded my turn.

Edit:I checked and I didn't send him a PM. Sorry Cecil

[Ramses II CP]

I'm inclined to be lenient, especially when a player responds quickly after the intent to skip is announced. I understand FH's point though about our pace, however, and there has to be some point at which the rules become firm.

:egypt:

[Cecil XIX]

It's not your fault at all, Ichigo. I check threads before I check PMs; I completed my turn well within the time limit. I must have got distracted after I compressed the save file and forgot to upload it. I need to be more careful about that, as this is not the first time it's happened.


I think this is partly my fault. I don't think I sent him a PM after I uploaded my turn.

Edit:I checked and I didn't send him a PM. Sorry Cecil

[Ferret]

I'm fine with going back, there's no rush with this game.

[Cecil XIX]

At this point, I'd rather go forward myself. I am merely facilitating discussion for when these issues come up again.

[Ferret]

save is here for traiterous Danes: http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-7.rar

[Tran]

save is here for traiterous Danes:
??? :inquisitive: :inquisitive:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1120-8.zip

Poland's turn

OOC: I saw something wrong being done...apparently an assassin have sabotaged one of my buildings...Is this allowed?

I suspect four nations, one of which I keep a closer look ~:smoking:

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/MPC1122.zip

No announcements of consequence. King Wladyslaw does wish it to be known that he employs no assassins of any kind, as the good King is far too chivalrous to engage in such lowly behavior.

:egypt:

[Ferret]

well I can't even train assasins so it couldn't have been a Russian

[FactionHeir]

Might be French.

[_Tristan_]

Or German, Sicilian or Scottish...

[FactionHeir]

That would require me to have an inn first.

[_Tristan_]

I must admit to have no shortage of spies (hence the French King's moniker, see my sig) but no assassins at present.. although recruitment facilities exists...

[Csargo]

I don't have any assassin's, and I don't think I've built any inns.

[_Tristan_]

Here's the save for Ichigo

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1122-2.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1122-3.rar

[Zim]

As far as I'm aware, the previous Scottish player didn't hire any assassins, and I've spent every florin on buildings.


Or German, Sicilian or Scottish...

[FactionHeir]

Must be French then. :tongue2:

[Ramses II CP]

Now, now, there are some AI factions still in the game, and in theory they could train assassins. :inquisitive:

My own lands are gradually becoming covered by an extensive network of watch towers, with which I hope to detect any foreign agents making incursions.

:egypt:

[Tran]

Now, now, there are some AI factions still in the game, and in theory they could train assassins. :inquisitive:
I doubt it, the settlement which was "sabotaged" is the one located at (present-day) Denmark (I forget the name, probably it's Arhus). This settlement is surrounded by human factions and very far from the nearest "AI faction" Even if AI factions have assassins, I doubt very much their agents would make a lengthy journey just to sabotage a building belonging to a distant faction.


My own lands are gradually becoming covered by an extensive network of watch towers, with which I hope to detect any foreign agents making incursions.

:egypt:
I don't know if watch towers can detect spy and assassin, can they? I did see a Polish spy south of Stettin though ~;) How about if you move that particular spy near my sabotaged settlement to see if there's something suspicious nearby (unless of course you're the one who masterminded this whole event) :laugh4:


Must be French then. :tongue2:
Exactly what I have in mind :verycool: :holmes:

[Ramses II CP]

Just so everyone who sees those spies on their border understands, the spies are blocking the roads into my lands. Since it's not a difficult trick to get around anyway, I'll let everyone know that if you cross an army over someone's border and hide it in a forest that person gets no warning. One counter to this which makes it slightly harder is to place agents along the path, so that in certain situations (bottlenecks) if you see that your agent got bumped aside it could only have happened by the passage of an army.

Anyway, I'd be happy to send a spy into your lands to have a look around Tran. Any information discovered regarding an assassin will be backed up by screenshots, as my Champion of Honor King is beyond having his word called into question. :beam:

As far as I know watch towers can help detect spies and assassins, but I'm also training my own spies, obviously. In fact, at least until the next crusade, none of my nobles are going anywhere without their own personal retinue of spies.

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

If your army bumps into an agent, including hidden agents, they will be revealed automatically, so try moving something within 2 squares distance of your settlement or further. You can do that with an agent too (priests come to mind). You can also create roadblocks, by having one unit armies standing along your borders. Prevents any agents from entering unless it is by boat.

[Tran]

Some questions:

1. According to rules reloading is not allowed. However, can I load the game and move my army to scan for "anything suspicious"?

2. Can watchtower detect agents hidden in forest? If I remember correctly, there's forest north of Danish settlement (Arhus), maybe...

[_Tristan_]

Some questions:

1. According to rules reloading is not allowed. However, can I reload the game and move my army to scan for "anything suspicious"?

2. Can watchtower detect agents hidden in forest? If I remember correctly, there's forest north of Danish settlement (Arhus), maybe...

Answers :

1 - Nope. Unless you wish to cheat... Up to you...

2 - I think they can... Agents do not go into hiding in the same way as armies

[FactionHeir]

Watchtowers cannot detect anything.

[Tran]

Answers :

1 - Nope. Unless you wish to cheat... Up to you...

2 - I think they can... Agents do not go into hiding in the same way as armies
I'd like FactionHeir and/or Ramses to be the one who answer (first question)...not the one I have most suspicion :rolleyes:

[FactionHeir]

For point 1, I would be inclined to agree with Tristan that it is not allowed, as the findings could be carried forward to the future and give an unfair advantage. Since your turn is before Tristan can act again though, you should have ample opportunity to scour the landscape.

[Tran]

For point 1, I would be inclined to agree with Tristan that it is not allowed, as the findings could be carried forward to the future and give an unfair advantage. Since your turn is before Tristan can act again though, you should have ample opportunity to scour the landscape.
Thank you. I accept it :bow:

My suspicion toward :france: remain, however :holmes:

[Ramses II CP]

Yeah, if you allow reloading to 'scan' the area it'll change the way the game is played IMHO. Just think about 'scanning' with a cavalry crusade army. You could see half of Europe, and it'd probably take you an extra hour+ time with the save. Better to take your chances. But, of course, if you look at your movement rates carefully it's pretty easy to send out a militia garrison company to 'scan' and bring it back into the city, allowing you a good zone of control around your cities.

:egypt:

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1122-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

Zim: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1122-5.rar

[Zim]

Done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1122-6.zip

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1122-7.rar

are we ever going to do that sharing maps thing? I'd love to see how Europe has developed, I know very little from my cold corner.

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1122-8.zip

Poland's turn

EF, send your diplomat. I don't have any diplomat near Russia.

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124.zip

As an FYI to Germany and the Danes I have, as requested, moved two spies in the direction of Arhus. Both of them can be found west of Stettin if you want to go looking. They'll likely be too late to catch anyone, but until the Dane's own spy corp can get up to speed they will aid as much as possible.

:egypt:

[Ferret]

I meant what was discussed way back in this thread where every 5 or 10 turns every faction would screenshot their maps and then post them when they were no longer current so we could all see each others expansion, but a few turns behind so we couldn't take advantage of it.

[_Tristan_]

Will post save for HRE around Monday at noon..

[phonicsmonkey]

EDIT: removed

[_Tristan_]

HRE save

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124-2.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124-3.rar

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's Up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124-4.zip)

[phonicsmonkey]

EDIT: removed

[FactionHeir]

Scotland: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124-5.zip

[Zim]

Russia's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124-6.zip

[FactionHeir]

Alright guys,

Two things that need your attention and possibly vote:
I noticed that players seem to be using any exploit at their disposal unless it is clearly stated in the rules, and this is not what the game is about. I would like to ask that each and every one of you refrain from using known and/or unknown exploits during the game unless it has been publically agreed by majority vote, rather than using them unless they are refuted by majority vote.

If you have a problem with that, say so here and we can have a discussion.
In particular, I am looking at Tristan:
- Abusing fort/army merchant stack exploit
- Abusing autoresolve via near surround to force complete kill of a defeated army

Also, Tristan, how is the general killing going along? I noticed that you ended up adopting Perrin Gassou against what was voted on. While he was one of your starting generals, we agreed that we would not adopt these unless you were to use a princess. We already let you off with adopting the other starting general and keeping one of your adopteds, but I am very much alerted by this behavior of adopting the rest against the vote.

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124-7.rar

[Cecil XIX]

To the best of my knowledge, I have not been using any exploits. However the only exploit I now about is the stackable merchants trick. I agree with FH's line of thought, but we need a list of expoits that we can vote on item-by-item.

I also have no idea how to abuse autoresolve, nor do I know if I'm doing it or not.

[Zim]

The one FH is talking about is if you split your army to surround (or nearly surround) and enemy army, then beat it in autoresolve, it has nowhere to retreat to and all survivors are instakilled. It's kind of like the surround and destroy agent one, only armies are much more expensive and harder to replace than agents. :sweatdrop:


I also have no idea how to abuse autoresolve, nor do I know if I'm doing it or not.

[Ramses II CP]

I am not abusing any exploits, especially not the merchant fort exploit which we specifically discussed and decided to ban before starting this hotseat.

:egypt:

[Zim]

I don't think FH's accusing anyone (well, except the one person he did directly :clown: ). He just wants everyone to be aware of his concerns. I just psoted something similiar in my two game threads, and I don't suspect anyone at all. :yes:


I am not abusing any exploits, especially not the merchant fort exploit which we specifically discussed and decided to ban before starting this hotseat.

:egypt:

[Csargo]

I can confirm FH's accusation that Tristan has units with merchants in them and they are sitting on resources in Northern Italy. Though I don't think the merchants are even making enough to support the upkeep of the units.

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1124-8.zip

Poland's turn. Your spies are a bit too late as the French assassin has fled, his spy remained though. However, I believe they can be put for good use near our borders.

[Ramses II CP]

For now I have moved them just over the border between yourself and Germany near Arhus. They can be placed where you like, however, just drop me a line.

I'll upload the save tonight.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126.zip

Nothing of consequence happened except discovering that the Russians beat me to Sarkel by about two turns. PM me if you want help capturing it EF, otherwise I'm headed south (Tblisi is already under siege and Yerevan soon will be, FYI). :beam:

:egypt:

[Csargo]

How unfair, I have no where to expand :bigcry: I guess it's my own fault.

[_Tristan_]

About exploits :

Merchant in army : I just happened to do it last turn upon seeing two Sicilian merchants heading towards mine (when warned expressly not to do so) and it was one of two things : either they were just passing and then think of the escorts as simple insurance against wrong-doings or they were intent on take-overs something which I could have done first (65% success predicted but refrained from doing to my "ally") but Sicily's turn coming after mine I cold not be sure the favour would be returned.
I don't think it an exploit as one only one merchant is still sitting on each resource and so have not been stacked...

Next time, I'll be sure to take over any foreign merchant... That will solve it...

About "surround and destroy" exploit : I have been known to use it in other hotseats but I have not once used it in this one (and I could have facing England) simply because all of my fights against the AI were siege assaults with the same results.

Will get to the save today or tomorrow

[Ferret]

I don't see having a merchant in an army as an exploit, in real life they would guard merchants rather than letting them wander alone, I am also in favour of the surround and kill agent thing as this is also realistic, though I can never be bothered to do it and have not used any exploits (as FH probably knows from when he subbed).

Sorry about Sarkel Ramses, you've got to let me go somewhere and I just stumbled upon it more than anything, if you really have taken the places to the South then I have nowhere to expand to anyway, perhaps a long sail to Ireland? Or maybe Africa?

[Ramses II CP]

Heh! Don't be sorry, Sarkel is one of those places that can never pay for itself. I only wanted it as a Mongol bulwark. I'm thinking that when the Mongols show up I'll probably assassin bomb them.

Of course that's a long way off, but it still requires planning.

:egypt:

[FactionHeir]

One merchant per fort/stack is borderline alright, but it is best to lay the publically accepted view out in the open rather than wait for it to be too late.

[Zim]

You leave Ireland alone. :furious3:

:clown:


I don't see having a merchant in an army as an exploit, in real life they would guard merchants rather than letting them wander alone, I am also in favour of the surround and kill agent thing as this is also realistic, though I can never be bothered to do it and have not used any exploits (as FH probably knows from when he subbed).

Sorry about Sarkel Ramses, you've got to let me go somewhere and I just stumbled upon it more than anything, if you really have taken the places to the South then I have nowhere to expand to anyway, perhaps a long sail to Ireland? Or maybe Africa?

[_Tristan_]

Save for HRE

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126-2.rar

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126-3.rar

Spain's turn. Also, my diplomat finally reached you I hope you will accept my offer.

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126-5.zip

[Zim]

Done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126-6.zip

[Zim]

For the first time I really noticed the lack of scrolls at the start of each turn. Once of my agents died. :clown:

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126-7.rar

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1126-8.zip

Poland's turn

[Ramses II CP]

Have to do some KotR reports and then I'll get to it. It'll be before Tristan gets up anyway. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128.zip

Nothing of consequence to report. Tblisi fell to my men, and Yerevan is under siege. Noted that one of my diplomats near Rome was assassinated, but I rather expected that at this point. Couldn't get my diplomat to you just yet Tran, he'll be there next season with the offer.

:egypt:

[Zim]

Open season on diplomats? :sweatdrop:


France is up:
Nothing of consequence to report. Tblisi fell to my men, and Yerevan is under siege. Noted that one of my diplomats near Rome was assassinated, but I rather expected that at this point. Couldn't get my diplomat to you just yet Tran, he'll be there next season with the offer.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

I know you won't believe me but I had nothing to do in that diplomat bashing spree... There is an assassin roaming Italy and I make the perfect culprit...

DLed the save

[Tran]

I know you won't believe me but I had nothing to do in that diplomat bashing spree... There is an assassin roaming Italy and I make the perfect culprit...
Interesting, but why there was a French assassin near Rome (and still is), even before people talked about this? :holmes:

[_Tristan_]

New save for HRE

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128-2.rar

Announcements in the Diplomacy Thread

[_Tristan_]

A big :2thumbsup: for our game voted "Best Hotseat" in the HoF 2007

Congrats to all !!!

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128-3.rar

Spain's turn.

Best Hotseat :thumbsup:

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128-5.zip

[_Tristan_]

Zim asked me to sub for him..

Save for Russia

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128-6.rar

[Csargo]

I'll have it done in the morning

[FactionHeir]

Hmmmm did Tristan PM the wrong person?

[_Tristan_]

No, I forgot to PM... Maybe Ichigo is subbing for EF

EDIT : No I got it, Ichigo has the wrong hotseat... He's Russia in the GCHS2

[Ferret]

Danes:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128-7.rar

let me know if you ever need military assistance, this campaign has been uneventful for the Russians. However I have just seen what a mess Asia Minor is in :clown:

[Csargo]

No, I forgot to PM... Maybe Ichigo is subbing for EF

EDIT : No I got it, Ichigo has the wrong hotseat... He's Russia in the GCHS2

Bingo. Never should have posted at 3 am ~;)

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1128-8.zip

Poland's turn, and something in Diplomacy thread...

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130.zip

Yerevan was taken. Offer was made to the Danes. Little else of consequence.

:egypt:

[_Tristan_]

Ichigo, this one is really for you

:clown:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-2.rar

[Csargo]

Ichigo, this one is really for you

:clown:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-2.rar

I'll have it done tomorrow. I've been helping my parents for the last two days so I haven't really been able to get on the computer.

[FactionHeir]

Tomorrow is past the deadline.

[Ramses II CP]

If you need a sub Ichigo I can do it a little later today, just pm me with a few instructions. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Csargo]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-3.rar

[Cecil XIX]

Sicily's Turn. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-4.zip)

[FactionHeir]

24 hours late but i haven't advanced yet. Please try to make it on time next time.

[Cecil XIX]

Indeed, I apologize.

[FactionHeir]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-5.zip

Tristan/France:
I am still waiting for you to reply to everyone regarding the general problem.
We agreed that you can keep Simon de Provence and the adopted Raolet Poitevin. That is fine. BUT
1. You adopted Perrin Gassou after the verdict was passed and you agreed to it.
2. My spy shows that you have another new adopted character in Ragusa
3. One of my ships landing the crusade noticed one of your ships carrying an adopted family member

It has been way past the deadline and you have merrily continued adopting generals into your armies. This is unacceptable. You must kill ALL of these off in the next two turns as per mutual agreement and not breach these rules again. Also, if any of them had offspring, those must be killed immediately when of age. If you will not do so, I am afraid we will need to replace the player for France.

[Zim]

I got the save, so no need to pm me this turn (unless you're doing that right now. :clown: ).

[Zim]

FactionHeir, How can you tell if a character from another faction is an adopted general (as opposed to, say marrying a Princess or something)?

I've never been able to tell.

[FactionHeir]

I know that it takes 32 turns for a princess to come of age (after marriage to an heir AND conception) and France's only princess is married to Sicily.

Adopted members are family members. Starting generals are labelled general. Tristan's starting generals are pretty much all labelled family members now rather than general.

[Zim]

Russia's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-6.zip

[_Tristan_]

My generals are on their way to straits to be drowned for lack of pirates to engage

One in Gibraltar (the one in the ship) and the other at Corinth (the one in Ragusa)

Anyway, coming from someone who "might" be playing with his own little modded version of the game, I wonder who shall we replace ?

[FactionHeir]

That would make two generals, what about the third?

And as I said in the diplomacy thread, I loaded the game off the wrong folder (note I use a "mod" folder for MPC which is the unmodded game because my main data folder is modded and thus not usable for the hotseat) for once regarding the assassins and fixed that issue. I have intentionally used one less slot (and no assassins) at the current turn at Florence though to compensate.

[Ferret]

nah it is a stupid rule anyway, what is wrong with adopting a general? They are already in your faction and the kids wont make any difference untill 32 years later. Adopting should be fine and FH since when are you GM anyway...

[FactionHeir]

nah it is a stupid rule anyway, what is wrong with adopting a general? They are already in your faction and the kids wont make any difference untill 32 years later. Adopting should be fine and FH since when are you GM anyway...

I should point out that this rule was approved by majority rule of ALL players and the original GM, Ignoramus, has given his verdict in that regard as well, including banning the player in question for continuous offences.

[Ferret]

Danes: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-7.rar

[_Tristan_]

Frankly, seeing how this turns out, I may bail out at this point...

I admit that I have some difficulty to abide by a rule that doesn't make any sense to me...

[Cecil XIX]

I think the rule is worth keeping. I doubt anything's ever going to have it again, so we might as well use this oppurtunity to see what a difference it makes.

[Ramses II CP]

The point is everyone should be playing according to the same rules. I don't really care what those rules are, as long as we're all on the same page. At the start of the game we all, those of us who were there anyway, voted to stick to our original family, and except for my mistake, long since corrected, everyone else has done so.

:egypt:

[Tran]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1130-8.zip

Poland's turn

[Ramses II CP]

France is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1132.zip

:egypt: