Mafia VII: Shadows of the Mafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 5

sapi

09-14-2007, 08:28

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. This was no longer due to the fact that the villagers were staying in their homes; this was simply due to the fact that there was now a lack of villagers to make noise.

Tran was one of the few villagers left. He woke up, opened his windowshade, and groaned. It was a beautiful September day, perfect for tending to his garden. Obviously going outside was a serious risk but he figured that judging by the mafia's effiency so far that it wouldn't matter. Besides, the weather was just too nice to pass up.

After about thirty minutes or so of working he began to relax, something he hadn't been able to do in several days. His garden, the plants, the medicinal herbs he was growing, they all calmed him. He was glad of this. He gradually became more engrossed in his garden and the beauty of the day rather than staying on the alert for, say, potential intruders.

Mr. A.F.I.A. observed this entire process from afar, carefully watching Tran's facial expressions. The speed and the jerkiness in which he moved would tell him a lot. Finally, whem his prey exhibited no noticeable signs of paranoia, he took that as a ready sign. He moved in.

It was a quick job. He entered Tran's property, disabled the home security system (he had read up on it the previous night) and made his way to the backyard and the garden.

Tran didn't even notice. Silently grinning, the mafioso levelled his shotgun and blasted Tran in the back. This was getting easier every day. Well, aside from the pie thing, anyway.

He searched the garden, job clearly not finished yet. Finding what he was looking for, he grabbed several of the medicinal herbs being grown, stuffed them into a bag, and departed. Clockwork.

Later that day, Mr. Arlen Frederick Ivanovich Ace was back at the grave of Sigurd Fafnesbane, this time picking a rose that a townie had conveniently left there after the killings yesterday. He stared at it, amazed at the foolishness of it all. The town was supposed to mourn after the bloodbath was done.

And he was pretty certain that he wasn't done yet.

He headed into another familiar location, the bar which proved to be a favorite poisoning spot. Only one patron was present, the barman evidently having fled town or not bothered to come in today. sapi, clothed in his usual black, stared as he saw the new customer for a second, and then resumed drinking his Appletini in a "very manly way."

The mafioso sat down and paused for a minute. Finally, with sapi trying to look conspicuous with his Appletini, he spoke up. "Where's the barman?"

"Dunno," said sapi. "Guess it doesn't matter, anyways. The mafia seem to be using a shotgun now, maybe they're out of poison."

"Mmm." Mr. Arlen Frederick Ivanovich Ace nodded politely. "So, I guess you're the bartender now? I don't know how to work any of this fancy machinery, and you're sitting there with a nice Appletini."

"It's easy to learn," said sapi, grimacing slightly. He got up and walked behind the bar. "Here, I can show you, and then we can each make as many drinks as we want and drown our sorrows in alcohol. Name your poison."

"How ironic," the mafioso thought silently. "Beer me," he said out loud. sapi nodded and turned around, adjusting the taps. The mafioso quickly spit into sapi's Appletini. "Out of poison?" he said. "I *am* the poison, buddy."

"What was that?"

"Oh," said the mafioso, fumbling, "I said I'll probably drink this place dry by tonight. C'mon, hurry up and drink it dry with me."

"Sounds good to me," sapi said, topping off the mafioso's mug. They chinked their glasses together and each drank. In a matter of seconds sapi was down on the floor, writhing. In another matter of seconds he was motionless.

"Well, that was easy," he said. "I'm lucky it didn't do that to me that quickly." He took out a knife and cut out a patch from sapi's black robes. He was just about to exit the bar when he felt a sharp stab of pain spread throughout his entire body. Everything went black.

Later that day, Chief of Police gathered all of the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "...yeah. I'm tired of repeating myself. You all know why we're here, so let's get to it, shall we?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (14)
woad&fangs
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Kagemusha

Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien

Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Tran
sapi

Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
...bugger ~:(

Ah, well, at least a little can be read into those kill descriptions, as with the lynches.

Anyway, Kommo has long since convinced me of his innocence; so I'd like to see what Holmes says about the players who are still alive, but that he has not yet analysed.

Kagemusha

09-14-2007, 08:29

I dont think CR is guilty. I think the remaining mafioso or ´s will be found from the trio of Shlin,W&F and SBR. If CR would be mafia, he wouldnt be so lazy to post his kills continuosly late. My bet is still on Shlin, its very easy to hide under Sigurd´s reasoning.

Stig

09-14-2007, 10:36

Vote: W&F, as I said, I've been waiting for someone to post, and he can't make himself less suspicious (this all combined with last rounds)

pevergreen

09-14-2007, 15:07

Go easier on CR. I am very for implamentation of a rule against using something like that against him.

I have a record like his, just not as long or recognized.

As to who is what. Im waiting for Holmes. ToftheD,W&F seem to be the over-enthusiatic townies. ROADKILL - SCUMMY. Roadkill started mafia here much the same as Sarathos or Beefy. Always looked scummy, he has since learned to not appear scummy. but now he has. Definite lynch.

Csargo

09-14-2007, 15:14

Kommodus

09-14-2007, 15:26

:dizzy2:

As if CR's initial claim wasn't unambiguous enough. You guys seem to forget the history he and I have. In Attack of the MacSobers, I knew he was guilty because of the ambiguosity of his claim; Andres can confirm this. I know him well enough to know that this time, his first claim was completely sound.

Therefore, FoS: RoadKill. Why are you using such faulty logic?

I'm not sure about W&F.

The Statistics: He's only got two prior games here to compare, and was innocent in both. His statistical behavior falls somewhere between the two in activity levels, except that his posting frequency is up considerably. He falls within the range considered "average mafia behavior", but this is not a particularly relevant metric.

The Review: A big part of Holmes, of course, is simply extracting the entire post history for someone and reviewing it for anomalies. When I do this for W&F, I get the feeling that he's innocent. I could be deceived in this, but for now I simply don't think he's the mafioso.

Csargo

09-14-2007, 15:35

You can't be serious Kommo.:huh: From what I read his posts were cold and calculated nothing like a townie would post.

GeneralHankerchief

09-14-2007, 15:51

Voting will be temporarily suspended while I make a tally.

If it's a tie then I'll resume voting. If not then I'll post the execution.

GeneralHankerchief

09-14-2007, 15:57

...and with a grand total of two votes, woad&fangs takes it!

Voting is now officially closed. I have some things to do before the execution is put up.

Stig

09-14-2007, 16:24

You can't be serious Kommo.:huh: From what I read his posts were cold and calculated nothing like a townie would post.
I think we will soon see that we were right (or not, as I don't think we've got all the mafia yet)

Kommodus

09-14-2007, 16:29

You can't be serious Kommo.:huh: From what I read his posts were cold and calculated nothing like a townie would post.

I hope you were right. Based on statistics alone, plus the fact that he has drawn a lot of suspicion throughout the game, W&F was probably a good lynch. His recent exchange with you, in which he watched your profile, seemed sort of caustic and suspicious. Maybe I've just been deceived and ignorant; I hope this is the case.

Andres

09-14-2007, 16:33

I'm not sure about W&F.

The Statistics: He's only got two prior games here to compare, and was innocent in both. His statistical behavior falls somewhere between the two in activity levels, except that his posting frequency is up considerably. He falls within the range considered "average mafia behavior", but this is not a particularly relevant metric.

The Review: A big part of Holmes, of course, is simply extracting the entire post history for someone and reviewing it for anomalies. When I do this for W&F, I get the feeling that he's innocent. I could be deceived in this, but for now I simply don't think he's the mafioso.

I hope you were right. Based on statistics alone, plus the fact that he has drawn a lot of suspicion throughout the game, W&F was probably a good lynch. His recent exchange with you, in which he watched your profile, seemed sort of caustic and suspicious. Maybe I've just been deceived and ignorant; I hope this is the case.

Why the sudden change, Kommo?

And why making two long posts in a short period of time if you could have said simply "I don't have a clue..." or better, not posting at all.

:inquisitive:

Stig

09-14-2007, 16:35

Because we will lynch him next round :laugh4:

shlin28

09-14-2007, 16:38

Sorry for the previous vote, I have to log off really quickly, so that post was really short.

Anyway, I'm sticking with my vote :beam: W&F seems suspicious, hence my post last day phase, but I wanna see what happens first.

GeneralHankerchief

09-14-2007, 18:32

"Well, I'm voting for this one!"

"And I'm voting for that one!"

"You're both wrong, it's this one that's guilty!"

"You're all nuts, I say it's him over here!"

So went Day Seven's voting process. Chief of Police Beirut groaned at it all. Multiple votes? Majorities? Pshaw! The town scoffed at such things, preferring to give each and every person a single vote, and no more, in a perverted, Communistic form of townie justice. Unfortunately, it didn't do much in terms of actually removing someone from the village.

As the evening dragged on and on, with no sign of relief, Beirut finally decided to spice things up a bit in an attempt to break the deadlock.

"Gentlemen," he announced to the crowd, "I don't want to tell you to get moving because that might get the wrong person lynched, but let me just introduce to you the method in which the person you choose to lynch (if you ever do that) will die." He paused, making a small cough. "I proudly present to you... The Chair O' Science!" He pulled another rope from somewhere, and an object once covered by a shroud was now revealed to be a chair.

"Isn't that just a souped-up electric chair?" somebody asked.

"Ah, I'm glad you answered that question," Beirut replied. "No, it is not an electric chair. It is much more sophisticated and dangerous. Once I hook up the condemned up to the chair, they will not be electrocuted - they will be annihilated."

The crowd was silent, wondering about the difference.

"You notice those two tube-like thingies on both sides of the chair back?" The crowd nodded. "Those are actually two Penning Traps, used to store highly charged particles. On one side, we have matter - hydrogen, to be exact - and on the other side, antimatter. Antihydrogen, to be more specific."

"What's the point?"

"I'm getting to that, you dolt," Beirut said impatiently. "Once the condemned person is hooked up to the chair I shall deactivate the Penning Traps, and each particle will enter the condemned's body, meeting up somewhere in the neck. Then, the two particles will join together, achieving duality. Also, his head will be blown off, completely annihilated and there will be no trace of it."

There was an awkward pause, and then at once a great rush to the voting box. Evidently every person wanted to quickly make someone else test it out."

"Time!" Beirut called after the first vote had been dropped in the box. Beirut collected it, reading the votes out loud. After he finished, he announced the unfortunate guinea pig, woad&fangs.

After being escorted up to the execution platform, woad - who looked ridiculously pale - started stuttering. "Uh, B-Beirut?" he asked. "How e-exactly w-will I f-feel?"

"Well, once I release the traps, you'll feel normal for a few seconds. Once the two particles meet in your neck, your insides will begin to melt from the massive heat that the junction creates. You would die a slow and painful death from your neck melting if it weren't for the fact that the explosion will happen a nanosecond later, completely annihilating your head."

"I see." woad gulped and lost all the remaining color in his face. Beirut began strapping him to the chair and inserting wires in his neck while humming a jaunty tune. Finally, he was ready.

"Any last words?"

"Yeah - this sucks already and we're not even at the fun part yet."

"Indeed," Beirut said as he flipped the switch. There was a second's pause, and then, a bright white light that seemed to be emanating from woad's neck. A nanosecond later, it sphered out, completely engulfing his head and only his head in white light. A second later the explosion fizzled out, leaving only a decapitated body, still sitting in the chair. There wasn't even any blood spurting out.

"Today, duality has been achieved, causing annihilation. Kind of poetic, isn't it? Anyway, go home."

Voting tally for Round 7:

woad&fangs: 2 (Ichigo, Stig) :skull:
Ichigo: 1 (woad&fangs)
Kommodus: 1 (RoadKill)
RoadKill: 1 (shlin28)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
shlin28: 1 (Kagemusha)

Abstained: 4 (Brave_Sir_Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Kommodus, CountArach)
Didn't vote: 3 (Prolertariat, Pannonian, discovery1)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (13)
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
discovery1
CountArach
Kagemusha

Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien

Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Tran
sapi

Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
woad&fangs

~~~~~~~~~

Announcement: Starting next day phase I will be tightening up voting requirements. "Abstain" is no longer an option. If you vote "abstain" or post without voting then it counts as "didn't vote" for the round. And yes, the Wrath of God will be ruthlessly enforcing this policy.

Sasaki Kojiro

09-14-2007, 19:32

"Today, duality has been achieved, causing annihilation.

???

Kommodus

09-14-2007, 19:54

Why the sudden change, Kommo?

And why making two long posts in a short period of time if you could have said simply "I don't have a clue..." or better, not posting at all.

:inquisitive:

'Cause I'd be rather embarrassed for having defended W&F if he turns out to be guilty. :embarassed: :laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

09-14-2007, 20:00

I'd be amazed if half of the scientific stuff in that post made any sense. :laugh4:

Sigurd

09-14-2007, 20:54

What the :furious3: is going on here?
woad&fangs gets the noose with 2 votes...

Ichigo.. you claimed you read all woad&fangs' posts. Was it this one that made you decide to put suspicion on him?

STOP VOTING FOR SASAKI!!!!
Sasaki is the one player in this game that I am completely convinced is a townie. I kept quiet when Sarathos was bandwagoned but I won't do it again. Sasaki may not be helping the town but I highly doubt he is a mafioso.

Did you see his wiggling when pressed to answer my question regarding this post? He has done nothing to change it...
Both I and Sasaki have contacted him but he has kept silent. We were monitoring him closely and if he hadn't responded in the next few rounds we would have tried swaying the crowd for his lynch... Now he is silenced for the reminder of this game...

Fos: Stig and Ichigo for not noticing this.

Csargo

09-14-2007, 21:21

What the :furious3: is going on here?
woad&fangs gets the noose with 2 votes...

Ichigo.. you claimed you read all woad&fangs' posts. Was it this one that made you decide to put suspicion on him?

Did you see his wiggling when pressed to answer my question regarding this post? He has done nothing to change it...
Both I and Sasaki have contacted him but he has kept silent. We were monitoring him closely and if he hadn't responded in the next few rounds we would have tried swaying the crowd for his lynch... Now he is silenced for the reminder of this game...

Fos: Stig and Ichigo for not noticing this.

I did read all of his posts. No. What pressure?

Sigurd

09-14-2007, 21:42

I did read all of his posts. No. What pressure?
Well I put the question first about how W&F knew Sasaki was innocent, then Shlin reinforced it with a similar question and W&F answered this:

Then how 'bout we lynch him sooner. Vote: Disco I know absolutely nothing about Xiahou so I won't vote against him. If I said that I "knew" Sasaki was innocent I probably meant "highly suspect".

compare this to:

STOP VOTING FOR SASAKI!!!!
Sasaki is the one player in this game that I am completely convinced is a townie. I kept quiet when Sarathos was bandwagoned but I won't do it again. Sasaki may not be helping the town but I highly doubt he is a mafioso.

Yeah.. I guess that was what you meant W&F.

Andres

09-14-2007, 21:49

The detective got lynched...?

CountArach

09-14-2007, 21:59

Quite possible actually. Sasaki is always a popular pick for first investigation.

woad&fangs

09-14-2007, 22:10

Quite possible actually. Sasaki is always a popular pick for first investigation.
Or second, Anyways, real nice to get lynched by two votes. But no hard feelings, I'm "fairly confident" Stig is innocent and I understand where Ichigo was coming from when he voted for me so theres no reason for me to be mad at them. By the way, I love the symbolism GH put into my death.

shlin28

09-14-2007, 22:39

The detective got lynched...?
What? When? How? I'm confused... too busy being mafia in the other game :sweatdrop:

GeneralHankerchief

09-14-2007, 23:12

A reminder that once you are dead, you are to act like a townie no matter your role...

Don't try to read into this, it's a waste of time.

-edit- Sweet, this post officially passes Mafia VI for my longest game ever. I think we'll beat Godfather 2.

RoadKill

09-14-2007, 23:21

Okay, Why would is no one listning to me, Kommodus and CR, trust me.

Tiberius of the Drake

09-15-2007, 01:05

I renew my vote from last round

Vote:CR

sapi

09-15-2007, 02:30

The detective got lynched...?
I can't imagine the detective not revealing if he was facing a lynch vote (though you may be right in saying that the pathetic closeness of w&f's lynching might not have given him time to react, if he did have the role)...

I guess we'll just have to act from now on as if we did lynch the detective, and sort things out through logic rather than through a miraculous reveal near the end ~:(

Pity, that :grin2:

GeneralHankerchief

09-15-2007, 03:01

I renew my vote from last round

Vote:CR

You know that I can't count it unless it's cast in the day phase.

Tiberius of the Drake

09-15-2007, 03:02

yes i know. As i stated in another game I just wished to express my feelings and give people a target if i am killed

Kagemusha

09-15-2007, 09:48

yes i know. As i stated in another game I just wished to express my feelings and give people a target if i am killed

This is interesting statement. Are you claiming to be the detective, as you are pointing towards CR. If you are not,what could possibly stop mafia from killing you in order to frame CR?

GeneralHankerchief

09-15-2007, 19:20

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. After some intense discussion in the bar the prior night after the little death by antimatter had concluded, the townies had decided to form in pairs the next day and not break the pair, no matter what. Hopefully, it would dissuade the mafia from attacking, and if anyone had broken the pair their partner would know.

However, the townies numbered an odd, unlucky number: thirteen. Somebody would be left out. And it just so happened that the odd man out was Mr. A.F.I.A., passed out on the floor of the bar after some hard drinking the prior night. After arising, rubbing his eyes and figuring out where he was, he smiled at the irony of it all. Unlucky thirteen about to wreak vengeance upon the other twelve.

He departed the empty bar and began walking to the local chemistry supply shop (also empty). It was a cinch to break in. That's what happened in ghost towns; nobody cared for much anymore unless their lives were directly involved. Once again the mafioso smiled.

Once inside, he quickly and efficiently made his way to specific shelves. If anybody was watching him work (no one was, of course) they would see that it was evident that the mafioso knew what he was doing.

Once the ingredients were collected, he went around and began boiling them, as well as adding a mixture of beans that he brought from elsewhere. After some minutes he separated them into two solutions, adding more beans to one but leaving the other bean-free. He then began stirring. One solution for two minutes, the other for one minute. One for two, the other for one. Repeat.

Finally, after about an hour, one was ready. Mr. A.F.I.A. took the first solution, said "Salud!" and began drinking, barely able to keep it down. He continued working with the other one, further refining it until it turned a violent shade of magenta. After about thirty minutes, this one looked ready. He began to fill it into a convenient aerosol can, where it quickly began to pressurize.

Excellent.

He took one more thing out of his handy-dandy packsack, a familiar-looking gas mask. Mask on head and aerosol can in hand, he exited the empty chemistry supply store back onto the street. Two people were conveniently walking down at that very moment: An excited discovery1 jabbering on about whether Michigan could go 0-3 today with a loss against Notre Dame, and a rather uninterested-looking CountArach, who had evidently tried, without success, telling Disco that he did not care for American football one bit.

As the mafioso began walking towards them, they turned. Disco broke his conversation. Both of them saw the gas mask and aerosol can, looking extremely confused.

The mafioso started spraying. Disco and CountArach died with that look of confusion on their faces.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentleme," he began, "Today we number eleven. After you lynch someone tonight the number will go down to ten. I would like our numbers to stay in double digits, especially if eventually we want to see our numbers go up again after this is all over."

Everybody looked around. Maybe Beirut would give them a little "Congratulations, we've saved the village" present?

"Anyway, enough about that. Come on, people. We've done this for too long. Get voting!"

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (11)
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
Kagemusha

Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien

Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Tran
sapi
discovery1
CountArach

Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
woad&fangs

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

REMINDER: Abstain is no longer a valid voting option, nor is posting without voting. If you do either of these things it will count as not voting. Remember, too much non-voting means Wraths of God!

Sasaki Kojiro

09-15-2007, 19:22

I still suspect brave_sir_robin

Pannonian

09-15-2007, 19:33

If it's not Rabbit, and I don't think it's Kommodus, then Csar/Ichigo and Kage are the experienced players left who are capable of playing this well. I'll go for Kage.

Vote: Kagemusha

Kagemusha

09-15-2007, 19:37

If it's not Rabbit, and I don't think it's Kommodus, then Csar/Ichigo and Kage are the experienced players left who are capable of playing this well. I'll go for Kage.

Vote: Kagemusha

And you are not one?:laugh4: It seems that you are shooting at all directions Pannonian. I wont do that. Vote BSR.

Dutch_guy

09-15-2007, 19:39

REMINDER: Abstain is no longer a valid voting option, nor is posting without voting. If you do either of these things it will count as not voting. Remember, too much non-voting means Wraths of God!

This is the message which got me in trouble in mafia VI. And although GH probably said that because of the 2 votes which took out W&F, you [townies] might want to focus some attention on the lurkers still alive.

:balloon2:

RoadKill

09-15-2007, 20:30

I sticking to me vote against Kommodus, I just have a feeling I'm right

Vote:Kommodus

Its this late in the game, I think the mafia would have killed him by now.

Crazed Rabbit

09-15-2007, 20:36

Vote: Roadkill

For this post: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1673510&postcount=970

Vote:Kommodus. Blasmephy, you are obviously the mafia. Why?

For a while you played as "holmes", and you have been investigating one player after another. I think the mafia would be smart enough to have gettin rid of you by now, so you dont post much of a threat later, but yet you are still alive, akward no?

An instance of very horrible logic to impugn Kommodus. The defense, I suppose, would be that no mafioso would be so foolish, but many scum have been caught before for such mistakes.

Wait, he just voted again for Kommodus:

I sticking to me vote against Kommodus, I just have a feeling I'm right

Its this late in the game, I think the mafia would have killed him by now.

The same, totally debunked logic as before. :inquisitive:

CR

Tratorix

09-15-2007, 22:04

I sticking to me vote against Kommodus, I just have a feeling I'm right

Vote:Kommodus

Its this late in the game, I think the mafia would have killed him by now.

Since the dead are allowed to talk, that gains them nothing. Kommodus could still provide insight if he's dead, and killing him would prove him innocent. If he's lynched, however, or even alive, what he says will always be suspect.

Vote:Roadkill. Perhaps you won't dare kill Kommodus openly, so now your trying to get him lynched, hmmmm? :inquisitive:

shlin28

09-15-2007, 22:08

This is bad... if I vote for anyone, people will say Im bndwagonning...

Oh who cares, Vote: Kagemusha, Die experienced player Die!

Kagemusha

09-15-2007, 22:11

This is bad... if I vote for anyone, people will say Im bndwagonning...

Oh who cares, Vote: Kagemasha, Die experienced player Die!

Does spelling error count as a vote?:clown: I dont mind dying,but im not the mafia.

Proletariat

09-15-2007, 22:16

From an exchange in the chat, I believe Kage is innocent for now. I'm still thinking experienced player, though. If CR has been cleared, and Kommo's lynching hurts us (fos: Kommo, anyway) I'll vote: Pann for now.

CountArach

09-15-2007, 22:16

Yeah you would want Kage killed by the mafia, then it is a guaranteed win.

Tiberius of the Drake

09-15-2007, 22:26

as Roadkill sticks to his vote, I stick to my (night) vote

Vote:CR

Stig

09-15-2007, 22:37

Vote: Brave Sir Robin
Get yourself a proper reason before you vote someone. What prove do we have of Kommo's innocence?

RoadKill

09-15-2007, 22:38

Since the dead are allowed to talk, that gains them nothing. Kommodus could still provide insight if he's dead, and killing him would prove him innocent. If he's lynched, however, or even alive, what he says will always be suspect.

Vote:Roadkill. Perhaps you won't dare kill Kommodus openly, so now your trying to get him lynched, hmmmm? :inquisitive:

How does one kill someone openly? Trying to tell me something?

Tratorix

09-15-2007, 22:59

Tiberius: Why are you so convinced CR is guilty? I don't think i've seen you give reasoning for it( correct me if you did and I just missed it.)

Stig: I'm not saying for sure Kommodus is innocent. I was saying roadkill's reasoning for voting him is rather thin.

Roadkill:

How does one kill someone openly? Trying to tell me something?

I was implying that I believe you are in the mafia. I thought that was demonstrated by the fact that I voted for you.

Tiberius of the Drake

09-16-2007, 01:21

CR's posts on pg 33 plus what W&F said on that very same page, last post are the things that convinced me. Also I was testing if he was mafia with my night vote and that seems to confirm my suspcions.

woad&fangs

09-16-2007, 01:33

CR changed how he phrased his statement on the next page.

woad&fangs

09-16-2007, 01:38

:sweatdrop:
Okay, fine.

I hate the mafia and all their evil acts, I want to see the mafia dead, and I swear this to be true.

I, Crazed Rabbit, swear I am not in the mafia.

I swear all this to be true.

FYI, usually when I do swear that I am not mafia I include swearing that I wish the mafia to die. That is not unusual.

Crazed Rabbit
See, there is no wiggle room in this post from what I can tell. Unless he outright lied(in which case:whip: ) I believe that CR is not mafia.

Pannonian

09-16-2007, 01:43

CR changed how he phrased his statement on the next page.
Can you link to and/or quote the statements in question? Unless you give a detailed summary that we can check with the posts, accusations of this kind would be more effective if you provide easy access to the evidence.

Eg.

Crazed Rabbit said in Link 1 (http://ishaggoats.com):
"I shag goats for a living."

But he changed this in Link 2 (http://ikillgoats.com):
"I kill goats for a living."

Tratorix

09-16-2007, 01:44

Heres a tally of votes this round:

Kagemusha: Pannonian, Shlin28

Brave_Sir_Robin: Kagemusha, Stig

Kommodus: Roadkill

Roadkill: Crazed Rabbit, Brave_Sir_Robin

Pannonian: Proletariat

Crazed Rabbit: Tiberius

Tiberius, I don't believe CR is lying. I doubt he would build up that much credibility of telling the truth and then throw it away just to win one game.

woad&fangs

09-16-2007, 01:45

This is his first post where it seems he is only swearing to the second part.

No, I am not in the mafia.

Like my fellow townies, I hate the mafia and all their evil acts, I want to see them dead, and I swear this to be true.

CR

This is his second post. The 3rd line is the important one. I see no wiggle room out of that.

Okay, fine.

I hate the mafia and all their evil acts, I want to see the mafia dead, and I swear this to be true.

I, Crazed Rabbit, swear I am not in the mafia.

I swear all this to be true.

FYI, usually when I do swear that I am not mafia I include swearing that I wish the mafia to die. That is not unusual.

Crazed Rabbit

Sasaki Kojiro

09-16-2007, 02:39

tiberius is suspect as well

sapi

09-16-2007, 03:24

Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Pannonian
Kagemusha

Ichigo 112
GeneralHankerchief 86
Andres 85
Sasaki Kojiro 79
Stig 60
woad&fangs 45
Don Corleone 37
Sigurd Fafnesbane 34
Kommodus 33
Beefy187 32
Lemur 31
sapi 31
Husar 28
Pannonian 27
Kagemusha 27
Dutch_guy 25
RoadKill 22
Xiahou 22
Proletariat 20
Brave_Sir_Robin 19
pevergreen 18
Tiberius of the Drake 18
Crazed Rabbit 18
Twilightblade 17
CountArach 16
greaterkhaan 14
shlin28 14
discovery1 12
Xdeathfire 12
Warmaster Horus 10
Garcilaso de la Vega el Inca 10
Sarathos 10
Byzantine Mercenary 9
Tran 8
Destroyer of Hope 7
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien 7
Killfr3nzy 4
Fragony 4
Ignoramus 1
FesterShinetop 1
Well, my feelings are as follows (bearing in mind that we only have one mafia left, as per GH's kill description).

I don't feel that the mafia is any of the really experienced players; there have been too many stuff-ups with the kills (such as killing Sasaki while he was a popular lynch target) for that to make sense to me. In my mind, that rules out Ichigo, Kommo, Kage, and Pann.

By the same token, of course, we're not looking at an incompetent and inexperienced mafia; as they have made it this far.

CR has sworn his innocence, and that has been verified by Kommo, who does have experience in these matters

This leaves us with Roadkill, BSR, shiln, Stig, Prol, and Tiberius

shiln is my pick. He's barely posted here for the entire game, and his post this round was a pathetic bandwagon attempt on Kage. I'd be all for his lynching :yes:

Csargo

09-16-2007, 03:35

Vote:shlin28

RAR

CountArach

09-16-2007, 08:34

You could claim that seeing as CR's real name is not in fact Crazed Rabbit, there is no possible way of knowing if he is lying or not. I believe it, but I am jsut throwing this out there. I say that CR swears on his real name and gives us his social security number and Credit Card details.

Andres

09-16-2007, 11:00

shlin28

09-16-2007, 11:18

Whats wrong with bandwagonning? :clown:

I am townie, so if you don't believe me, just lynch me, I don't mind, I'm not even gonnna try to defend myself :laugh4:

sapi

09-16-2007, 11:31

So be it, then.

Kagemusha

09-16-2007, 13:46

Like Sapi sayed, i will grant your wish. I sayed in the last round that Shlin,SBR and Roadkill are my main suspects, so lets take you out Shlin. Unvote and Vote Shlin28. Lets hope im right.

Kommodus

09-16-2007, 15:41

Ok, there are few enough players left that I'll try to say what I can about them all.

Brave_Sir_Robin

The Statistics: Largely useless in this case, as he hasn’t played any games on the Org yet (correct me if I’m wrong here). He’s a little less active than the average player, but posts fairly regularly with an average post length of 382 characters. We’ll have to decide based on a review of his posts.

The Review: A review of his posts suggests innocence to me. Obviously this could be incorrect, but he’s not one of my top suspects.

Ichigo

The Statistics: Unfortunately Ichigo is a statistical enigma, almost as much as Sasaki himself. The only vaguely discernible pattern is that his posts tend to be a bit more substantial when playing as mafia. They aren’t in this game, so statistically there’s no reason to go after him. Nevertheless he’s a clever player and should be looked into.

The Review: Having played in quite a few games with Ichigo, I think he’s innocent in this one.

Kagemusha

The Statistics: All statistics appear to fall within normal ranges. However, I believe that they probably would for him even if he was mafia.

The Review: He definitely appears to be a helpful townie, going after the mafia with some vigor. This could be an act, as Kagemusha is a very intelligent player and I’m sure he would do this as mafia. He’s one to watch, but he’s actually not that high on my suspect list at this point.

Pannonian

The Statistics: His frequency of posting is down considerably, as has been acknowledged multiple times (compare his average posting interval of 1082 minutes here to 534 and 520 minutes in the recent games KFM and Mafia VI).

He’s given a plausible explanation for this – involvement in other mafia games – but I’m beginning to grow suspicious. His high profile in other games has been a source of grief for him, as it makes him the center of attention. Could this be his real reason for keeping a lower profile? I might have expected his involvement to rise in recent rounds, as general activity is dropping and the mafia appear to be gaining ground.

The Review: He’s stood up for me on several occasions. That… actually makes me a little suspicious. The thing is, in Mafia VI (and in many games) the mafia have left me alive, hoping to make my analyses more and more suspicious as time went on. I think they’re doing that here as well. This would naturally make me look at those players who have tried to cast suspicion on me… unless that’s what I’m supposed to do. Pannonian is a little higher on my suspect list than he was last time.

Proletariat

The Statistics: All statistics fall within her normal “innocent” ranges; however, this is not unexpected because she has yet to receive any pressure. I rather wish she would have. The fact that the Mafioso has been portrayed as a man means nothing; I’m quite certain she would do this if guilty.

The Review: The longer she lives the more paranoid I become. Most of the killed players have been light-to-moderate posters, just like Prole, yet she is still alive despite drawing no significant suspicion.

Nevertheless, reading over all her posts still suggests innocence to me. However, I could very easily be deceived in this. To sum up, I have no good evidence against Prole, just a weird sense of paranoia, which mainly has to do with the fact that she’s been flying under the radar pretty easily so far.

RoadKill

The Statistics: He hasn’t been mafia in any game that I’m aware of, making it difficult to compare behavior patterns, but once again all statistics fall within normal ranges.

The Review: He is notable for casting suspicion on me, but this doesn’t surprise me at all (even though his logic is bad). What bothers me is that he still appears to think that CR may be guilty – he should know better. Then again, maybe he really is inexperienced enough to miss the significance of CR’s claim.

The fact that he’s sticking to his guns concerning me, despite the fact that no one believes him, actually makes me think he’s probably innocent. But I’ll definitely be watching him.

shlin28

The Statistics: The fact that he is posting less frequently, and that his average post length is up, was pointed out in my earlier analysis. (Average post length = 367 characters, average interval = 2043 minutes compared to 222 characters and 964 minutes in Il Padrino.) This is a significant statistical deviation.

The Review: In the beginning of the game he spent much time complaining about how there were too many posts to read within his time frame. He’s acted quite confused throughout the game, never really contributing much. This could easily be a strategy of trying to fly under the radar. On the other hand, it could be genuine.

Overall, he’s done little in my mind that could verify his innocence. Nevertheless… hm… I can’t quite be very confident of his guilt. The mafia have been playing an excellent game and I don’t associate this with shlin28. I might be wrong. I’ll have to revisit.

And, crap: I’m out of time and have to go. Two players to go: Stig and Tiberius. I’ll have to do them later this afternoon.

For now, Vote: Pannonian.

Pannonian

09-16-2007, 16:20

Pannonian

The Statistics: His frequency of posting is down considerably, as has been acknowledged multiple times (compare his average posting interval of 1082 minutes here to 534 and 520 minutes in the recent games KFM and Mafia VI).

He’s given a plausible explanation for this – involvement in other mafia games – but I’m beginning to grow suspicious. His high profile in other games has been a source of grief for him, as it makes him the center of attention. Could this be his real reason for keeping a lower profile? I might have expected his involvement to rise in recent rounds, as general activity is dropping and the mafia appear to be gaining ground.

The Review: He’s stood up for me on several occasions. That… actually makes me a little suspicious. The thing is, in Mafia VI (and in many games) the mafia have left me alive, hoping to make my analyses more and more suspicious as time went on. I think they’re doing that here as well. This would naturally make me look at those players who have tried to cast suspicion on me… unless that’s what I’m supposed to do. Pannonian is a little higher on my suspect list than he was last time.

Let me clarify something. I haven't changed my style because I'm involved in other games - that's not something I've claimed. I changed my style as a result of having played in other games. Those games were over before M7 started, but it was my experience of playing as the veteran role that made me a bit more thoughtful and explanatory and less pitbull-like. It's just a change in tense, but the change in meaning is substantial, so get it right.

woad&fangs

09-16-2007, 16:25

People need to stop getting lynched for making positive changes in their playing styles. It discourages people from trying to improve. For what it's worth, Pann, I believe you are innocent.

Kommodus

09-16-2007, 20:46

Let me clarify something. I haven't changed my style because I'm involved in other games - that's not something I've claimed. I changed my style as a result of having played in other games. Those games were over before M7 started, but it was my experience of playing as the veteran role that made me a bit more thoughtful and explanatory and less pitbull-like. It's just a change in tense, but the change in meaning is substantial, so get it right.

Ok, my apologies. :bow: It must seem like I'm paranoid about you in every game, but don't feel bad: other people, including me, Sasaki, and Ichigo get the same treatment.

People need to stop getting lynched for making positive changes in their playing styles. It discourages people from trying to improve. For what it's worth, Pann, I believe you are innocent.

It's not about lynching people simply for changing their style. It's about identifying changes and trying to work out the reason for the change.

To continue with my analysis:

Stig

The Statistics: Almost all of Stig’s statistics fall within his normal range. However, his behavior doesn’t appear to change much when he’s guilty, so this is mostly useless. Earlier he made a comment that his statistics weren’t really comparable between games; perhaps he’s right.

The Review: I get a fairly strong “townie” vibe from reviewing all of Stig’s posts, but it’s easy to make a mistake here. I noticed he’s been gunning consistently for W&F for the past few rounds, and seemed pretty convinced we’d got the right one, but this now seems highly unlikely.

Tiberius of the Drake

The Statistics: No help here. Tiberius has only played one game on the Org before this, and his behavior is statistically consistent with that.

The Review: A low-level poster, he gives us little to analyze. He’s appeared to be the “noob” for most of this game, the latest example being his last two votes for CR, an obviously innocent player. It could be an act, but prior to his attacks on CR I would’ve dismissed him as a suspect.

I left out Crazed Rabbit, who we all now know to be innocent, and myself, for obvious reasons.

To sum up, I’m more confused in this game than I have been in most. The remaining Mafioso, IMO, fits one of two possible profiles:

A relatively new/inexperienced player who is getting by using the strategy of semi-lurking. This could be Brave_Sir_Robin, Tiberius, or shlin28.
A very experienced player who has become adept at avoiding suspicion by acting natural. This could be Pannonian, Kagemusha, or Ichigo.
Of course, it could be RoadKill or Proletariat, two people who don’t fit either profile.

One more thought. Mafia don’t normally want people to know when one of their own number has been lynched. In this game, however, the kill descriptions began suggesting that only one Mafioso remained in round 5. That was the round after Andres was lynched (Beefy was lynched a round earlier). There was room for doubt, however, until the most recent kills, which were obviously done by the same Mafioso.

…crap. I lost where I was going with that line of thought. I’ll have to work out its significance later.

GeneralHankerchief

09-16-2007, 20:52

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

I'm in a good mood today, I just saw a $20 bill rolling around in the street and picked it up. ~D

RoadKill

09-16-2007, 20:53

See what I mean. Kommodus constantly abuses his power of "holmes" to protect CR, its just unreasonable, how can he be 100% sure he's innocent. This is about the forth time hes protecting CR.

Kommodus

09-16-2007, 21:01

Wha...??? By my count it's a 4-way tie between Kagemusha, Pannonian, RoadKill, and shlin28.

See what I mean. Kommodus constantly abuses his power of "holmes" to protect CR, its just unreasonable, how can he be 100% sure he's innocent. This is about the forth time hes protecting CR.

CR doesn't need my protection - his reputation is all that is needed for that. Most of us here are aware that when he swears to be innocent, he never lies - never. That's his superpower: The Truth (tm).

That reminds me of something else I was thinking of. I expected CR to bite it last round, as he had verified his innocence and the mafia frequently kill off those players whom no one is suspicious of, leaving those who are drawing the most suspicion alive. But that's not what happened - CR survived.

That makes me think that the remaining mafioso might be someone who isn't aware of CR's reputation. The finger is now pointed at you, RoadKill, as well as Tiberius. :stare:

GeneralHankerchief

09-16-2007, 21:06

Gentlemen (and lady), we have our first tie of the game.

Here's how things are going to work. All votes are thrown out from this round just past. You will be voting again, for one of the top four vote-getters: shlin28, RoadKill, Kagemusha, and Pannonian.

Voting ends in 24 hours sharp. Get to it!

Tally for Round 8:

shlin28: 2 (Ichigo, Kagemusha)
RoadKill: 2 (Brave_Sir_Robin, Crazed Rabbit)
Kagemusha: 2 (shlin28, Pannonian)
Pannonian: 2 (Proletariat, Kommodus)
Kommodus: 1 (RoadKill)
Brave_Sir_Robin: 1 (Stig)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)

Wow, everyone voted this round. You all get a cookie.

woad&fangs

09-16-2007, 21:23

shlin28

09-16-2007, 21:31

Dead people dont get cookies :beam:

Stig

09-16-2007, 21:52

Well, guess I'm one of those who really has to vote again.
Even tho it's not officially I take most will have their vote stand. And furthermore, those who I think are quilty can't be voted for.
Pann looked a bit suspicious, but I doubt he's really mafia.
Shlin ain't mafia, unless he learned from Andres game, but he didn't as that one started after this one.
Kage is not that suspicious looking to me, I've seen worse
Roadkill same really

Personally I would either go for Brave Sir Robin, as his reasons for voting were just plain stupid and he needed a target.
Or maybe Prole, or even Kommo.

But since I can't, and I have to vote someone I will:
Vote: Kage for now

Tratorix

09-16-2007, 22:35

Four way tie. Interesting.

I don't think Pannonian is guilty. Most of what i've seen from him doesn't seem that suspicious. then again , most people seem to be voting on him based on a change in personality, which I really have nothing to compare against.

Shlin isn't mafia, if he was he would be trying to tip votes away from himself like he did in The Secret Formula, where he basically freaked out when it looked like he was going to be lynched. He's far to calm here to be mafia.

kagemusha looks like he's just trying to get some people to post more and root out the mafia. Nothing too suspicious.

Roadkill is at the top of my suspect list. The fact that he seems so convinced of Kommodus's guilt seems odd to me. i'm a bit suspicious of Kommodus too, but Roadkill seems to be going after him rather singlemindedly(probably not a word, but i'll go with it.)

So, it seems i'll again Vote:Roadkill.

If he's not guilty, i'm guessing i'm the next one on the chopping block. :hanged:

RoadKill

09-16-2007, 22:45

Crazed Rabbit

09-16-2007, 22:58

Vote: Roadkill, for unrepentant illogic, as I discussed before.

CR

Tratorix

09-16-2007, 23:01

:gah2: Your reasoning for voting Kommodus was that he thought CR was innocent. Explain how that is any better.

RoadKill

09-16-2007, 23:03

Crazed Rabbit

09-16-2007, 23:11

Roadkill, you are using terrible logic to impugn Kommodus.

The horribleness of this logic was pointed out several times.

Then you complain noone is listening to you and seemingly implore me and Kommodus to trust you.

Then you make the same horrible logic vote on Kommodus. You offer no new evidence, just a scummy 'gut feeling'.

CR

Lord Winter

09-17-2007, 00:56

Stop putting words in my mouth. My reasoning was that Kommodus, constantly protected CR no matter what.

Edit: Also look, I placed preassure on CR and kommodus, and quickly CR uses the chance to get rid of me.

But Kommo is an experience player meaning he knows not to be to zealous in protecting his partner if he is mafia. He was also the one that defeated his method of vote indexing, but distancing himself.

Kommodus

09-17-2007, 01:54

Stop putting words in my mouth. My reasoning was that Kommodus, constantly protected CR no matter what.

But I didn't protect CR "no matter what." I forced him to swear his innocence, and only when he had done so did I defend him. That's because when CR swears his innocence, he's innocent, period. End of story. Why can't you understand that? :inquisitive:

I thought your stalwart stand against me suggested innocence, since no mafioso would be that foolish. But sheesh, enough is enough. Maybe you're the mafioso who let CR live, not knowing the power of The Truth. Bad logic, as has been pointed out, is scummy.

Vote: RoadKill

Tiberius of the Drake

09-17-2007, 01:55

shlin isnt acting the same way he did when he was mafia in Andres game,
Kage and Roadkill dont seem to be acting suspcious to me. Pann doesmntn seem to be the most obvious mafia but he is a better canidate than the others

Vote:pann

Csargo

09-17-2007, 03:12

hmm reviewing Roadkill's I'll Vote:Roadkill

Kommodus is the first person you voted with your own reasoning.

RoadKill

09-17-2007, 03:26

MUAHAHAHHAAH Suicide: RoadKill

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 04:03

If you're suiciding just because you're the leading vote-getter, I got news for ya, pal. It ain't gonna happen.

Csargo

09-17-2007, 04:06

I say let him do it that's one less suspect to deal with.

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 04:12

I'm not, because that's the lamest reason for suiciding ever and I won't accept it.

I can take a lot of reasons for suiciding but this isn't one of them.

Csargo

09-17-2007, 04:14

https://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1003/housesl0.jpg

I am not amused. RAR

Xiahou

09-17-2007, 04:17

MUAHAHAHHAAH Suicide: RoadKill
You know, I wouldn't have thought he was scummy 'til that stunt.

Proletariat

09-17-2007, 04:39

Exactly, Xiahou. I was gonna stick with my Pannonian vote since nothing convincing has happened in the last day, but this is pretty scummy. But then again, I'm not sure GH would react this way if Roadkill was actually mafia.

I'll put a vote: Roadkill up for now, but I'm still thinking it over.

Sasaki Kojiro

09-17-2007, 04:47

hmm not seeing roadkill as scum. Interesting that kommo jumped on there.

Andres

09-17-2007, 08:24

But I didn't protect CR "no matter what." I forced him to swear his innocence, and only when he had done so did I defend him. That's because when CR swears his innocence, he's innocent, period. End of story. Why can't you understand that? :inquisitive:

I thought your stalwart stand against me suggested innocence, since no mafioso would be that foolish. But sheesh, enough is enough. Maybe you're the mafioso who let CR live, not knowing the power of The Truth. Bad logic, as has been pointed out, is scummy.

Vote: RoadKill

It's rather unusual for you to vote someone because his "bad logic" seems to annoy you...

That's the second time you changed your mind without very good reasoning. What happened with your suspicions about Pannonian?

Csargo

09-17-2007, 08:27

Get out of my head Andres!!! arg..

Stig

09-17-2007, 11:29

If he suicides he's innocent, no mafia is going to suicide at this point of the game.

But as I said, the mafia is not with the 4 we need to vote for, so one of them has to go.

sapi

09-17-2007, 12:17

If he suicides he's innocent, no mafia is going to suicide at this point of the game.

But as I said, the mafia is not with the 4 we need to vote for, so one of them has to go.
WIFOM, stig.

If I had that many votes against me as mafia I'd sure as hell try the 'suicide = innocent' trick to get out :grin2:

Andres

09-17-2007, 12:24

WIFOM, stig.

If I had that many votes against me as mafia I'd sure as hell try the 'suicide = innocent' trick to get out :grin2:

I would have asked GH how he would respond and then do the "I suicide" stunt...

sapi

09-17-2007, 12:59

I would have asked GH how he would respond and then do the "I suicide" stunt...
Yeah, it would be a bit embarassing if he said 'okay' to your joke suicide attempt :grin2:

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 13:17

One more thought. Mafia don’t normally want people to know when one of their own number has been lynched. In this game, however, the kill descriptions began suggesting that only one Mafioso remained in round 5. That was the round after Andres was lynched (Beefy was lynched a round earlier). There was room for doubt, however, until the most recent kills, which were obviously done by the same Mafioso.

…crap. I lost where I was going with that line of thought. I’ll have to work out its significance later.

I read you loud and clear.
This game has me a little confused too.

It could very well be that the "experienced" Mafioso has been lynched and his "inexperienced" partner surfs under the radar and the "experienced" player is still running the show from the grave.

But I have to say this: The "Experienced" player vs. "Inexperienced" player is a load of crap.
I had only played one or two games when I became the Chinese Godfather in Gotta have more mafia.
I was killed in the first rounds in those previous games. Do not make the fallacy of underestimating new players. They could easily be the next Kommodus, Sasaki,GH or all the other players regarded with high esteem. The fact that Kommodus' Holms not getting any result could just be such a case.

Having said this... I must beg the question. When is CR going to forgo his reputable history of perfect honesty?
This is actually a little ridiculous. I can’t fathom why the mafia when in games where CR is playing don’t kill him in the first round. They know players will sooner or later appeal to this honesty as so many times before. I guess the mafia hope CR will stay suspicious after such a confrontation and think; this is the game where the town will not believe him. I say, if CR ever swears that he is not mafia but in reality is, then we should just give the game to him and be done with it and move on. It would be a relief and CR will hence forever more be just another player.

For this lynch I must say that either Kage or Pann is the better choice.

Stig

09-17-2007, 14:16

WIFOM, stig.

If I had that many votes against me as mafia I'd sure as hell try the 'suicide = innocent' trick to get out :grin2:
No, with this you are wifom'ing but it doesn't matter, as I said, the mafia is not with the lynch options.

And furthermore Sigurd is right

Kommodus

09-17-2007, 14:19

It's rather unusual for you to vote someone because his "bad logic" seems to annoy you...

That's the second time you changed your mind without very good reasoning. What happened with your suspicions about Pannonian?

Um... didn't I nail you for bad logic in Mafia VI? :dizzy2:

And it's not because the "bad logic" annoys me. It's that mafiosi tend to use logic incorrectly to cast suspicion on innocent players. That's why, when I see it being used, I try to figure out the motive: is it an honest error, or is it a deliberate attempt to obfuscate?

That said... er... this bandwagon against RoadKill doesn't really feel right to me after all. My original impression was that he was just a foolish townie, and the more I think about it, the more I think that is correct.

Unvote: RoadKill
Vote: Pannonian

Kagemusha

09-17-2007, 14:24

Im sticking with shlin, Vote Shlin28. Altough Roadkill´s stunt would be enough to vote him.:inquisitive:

Andres

09-17-2007, 15:14

Um... didn't I nail you for bad logic in Mafia VI? :dizzy2:

And it's not because the "bad logic" annoys me. It's that mafiosi tend to use logic incorrectly to cast suspicion on innocent players. That's why, when I see it being used, I try to figure out the motive: is it an honest error, or is it a deliberate attempt to obfuscate?

That said... er... this bandwagon against RoadKill doesn't really feel right to me after all. My original impression was that he was just a foolish townie, and the more I think about it, the more I think that is correct.

Unvote: RoadKill
Vote: Pannonian

In Mafia VI you were certain about me in round 1. You never really doubted my guilt.

This constantly vote switching when you start to feel the slightest pressure is odd for you, to say the least...

Well, guess I'm one of those who really has to vote again.
Even tho it's not officially I take most will have their vote stand. And furthermore, those who I think are quilty can't be voted for.
Pann looked a bit suspicious, but I doubt he's really mafia.
Shlin ain't mafia, unless he learned from Andres game, but he didn't as that one started after this one.
Kage is not that suspicious looking to me, I've seen worse
Roadkill same really

Personally I would either go for Brave Sir Robin, as his reasons for voting were just plain stupid and he needed a target.
Or maybe Prole, or even Kommo.

But since I can't, and I have to vote someone I will:
Vote: Kage for now

You voted in the last round (the round in which this tie has been created), so I don't see why you would be WoG'ed for not voting now...

Why would you go for Prole or Kommo ?

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 15:43

Dear players,

We are entering into the very last rounds and the game should end in a round or two, depending on the number of remaining Mafia.
We are now forced to reduce our numbers to 10 by this lynch.
Next round will start with 8 players and 1 need to be lynched.
If no mafia goes down this round or next there will be 5 players in the following round.

If there are two Mafiosi left, then the game is over even if the town lynches one of them.

In other words we need to lynch a Mafioso in this or the following round. Unfortunately we are limited to only 4 of the 11 players.

Choose well people.

As I said, from the players on the lynch list I believe RoadKill and Shlin are innocent.
I have posted my suspicion of Pann before.
Kage is a good mafia player and has an immaculate record (like me) and never lost as mafia.
He was quite upset in the chat about me telling about my circumvention of the rules when I told him about my plans giving the detective a code to use in the public thread that would name the players he had investigated.
I was a little surprised since I was just using a loophole not covered in the rules. The detective never revealed in private. Nor did he contact me. I used a leap of faith in contacting those I believed reeked of having a detective role.
Therefore I think either of them is lynch worthy.

As to the players not on the list I have few things to say about them too.
Prole has a perfect voting record with a lynch on every player in the round she has voted them.

Brave_Sir_Robin is an intelligent player… His posts range from experienced to acting noobish. It is quite interesting that his understanding of Sasaki’s gameplay in the early rounds turns to “I am a n00b” WIFOM in a post as late as #922.

Stig plays as he usually do. But I have hosted when he was mafia, the carelessness he showed as mafia is just as careless as he plays in every game.

Kommodus has used his Holmes in this game and extensively so. We all know the risk he takes using it as it will not only reveal who is mafia, but also who is the detective. The mafia will pay attention when results are posted and try to get rid of the one that points to a player that is not mafia. If he uses Holmes as mafia, it is a great disadvantage for the town. I believe He once said that he would not use it when being mafia.
Well.. It could be he is just fabricating his results to appease the demand for results.

CR… I have mentioned before. If he is mafia, then let him win the game.

Ichigo is tweaking my nose…
Something is up with him and Andres… Ichigo usually likes to leave small clues. I confronted him with his claim that Andres was guilty. He used a small detective emoticon. However, he voted with Andres on DonC in the round Andres was lynched.
And there are small hints all over the place in the Andres/Ichigo exchange.
And he lynched the detective…

Tiberius I have nothing on… probably innocent.

Tally
RoadKill: 4 (Brave, CR, Ichigo, Prole)
Pannonian: 2 (Kommodus, Tiberius)

Shlin: 1 (Kage)
Kage: 1 (Stig)

Not voting: 3 (Pannonian, RoadKill, Shlin)

Kagemusha

09-17-2007, 15:51

Andres

09-17-2007, 15:54

would i do mistakes like killing Sasaki,when he is under suspicion already.

WIFOM...

Sigurd is confirmed innocent. I understand he has serious reasons to believe you are scum. Maybe the townies should follow his advice...

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 15:56

Well Sigurd,i think i made it pretty clear in the chat that,why i didnt like your code is becouse i want to play the game,like its ment to play. So its matter of principle to me. Winning or loosing is not so important to me that i would bend the rules in order to do so. But like i sayed before, im not mafia and you can lynch me if you want, you should just think,would i do mistakes like killing Sasaki,when he is under suspicion already.

Killing Sasaki was an intelligent move, for those who were looking for the detective.
Even I believed Sasaki was the detective at the time. Sasaki set the mafia up with his "Would you believe me if..."
I thought he was posting his innocent results in his weird posts. As a Mafia I would not let Sasaki live another day, the danger was evident.

Husar

09-17-2007, 15:58

Stig plays as he usually do. But I have hosted when he was mafia, the carelessness he showed as mafia is just as careless as he plays in every game.
Well, I felt that he was suspicious in your game and only didn't cry for his lynching for other reasons I thought would trump my feeling. This time he feels ok to me but then you don't need to listen to me, I didn't analyze a lot in this game since you lynched me anyway.

Kagemusha

09-17-2007, 16:06

WIFOM...

Sigurd is confirmed innocent. I understand he has serious reasons to believe you are scum. Maybe the townies should follow his advice...

Oh,please Andres. Becouse Sigurd is dead he carries somekind of divine knowledge with him,that cant be questioned? My nature is that when accused, i will answer. Just when i have been detective in games,when i find mafia i will bite them in the arse and will not let go,before they are lynched.

To Sigurd. This is your opinion. That it was clever from Mafia to kill of Sasaki.I dont agree with it.

Stig

09-17-2007, 16:26

Why would you go for Prole or Kommo ?
They simply sound more suspicious to me.
I am forgetting Brave Sir Robin tho, he might also still be mafia.

Kommo: Holmes is an easy way to stay under the radar. Especially combined with the fact CR claims innocence:
CR claims innocence
Kommo comes with reasons for his innocence
Kommo and CR are put in the clear

Prole: She too is avoiding the radar and doing well at that. I've seen more active games of her. No-one has even named her as a possible mafia.

Brave Sir Robin: Made a mistake in my opinion in the last voting round (the one of the tie). He saw Roadkills vote for Kommo, and it looked like if he wanted to simply get rid of Roadkill by voting him with the worst reason ever (atleast late game). All he needed was Kommo to follow with a revenge vote, and someone who follows Kommo and he would have Roadkill lynched.

Stig plays as he usually do. But I have hosted when he was mafia, the carelessness he showed as mafia is just as careless as he plays in every game.
It works well. It allows me to survive into the late game and get lynched then. Especially since I never get any roles (Andres last 2 mafia's for example ... and ofcourse this one according to me, and at the end of the game according to GH as well ~D ). If you don't have a role the only way to contribute something is surviving late into the game.

shlin28

09-17-2007, 16:40

Vote: Kage, as before

Sasaki Kojiro

09-17-2007, 17:08

... er...

hmm

Proletariat

09-17-2007, 17:18

Prole: She too is avoiding the radar and doing well at that. I've seen more active games of her. No-one has even named her as a possible mafia.

What games have I been more active in?

I'm pretty certain Kage is innocent, nothing concrete, just a vibe I got from some chat room exchanges.

I'm the most leery of Kommodus. Everyone is avoiding lynching this sacred cow of a player because supposedly it will ruin the credibility of holmes. Newsflash: holmes has down jack for the town, and this one's coming down to the wire.

After some thought, I think Roadkill might just be screwing around. Unvote: Roadkill, Vote: Kommodus

Stig

09-17-2007, 17:35

Unfortunately we can't vote Kommo, otherwise I would have

What games have I been more active in?
Well most others, you aren't really active now.

Husar

09-17-2007, 17:58

I'm the most leery of Kommodus. Everyone is avoiding lynching this sacred cow of a player because supposedly it will ruin the credibility of holmes. Newsflash: holmes has down jack for the town, and this one's coming down to the wire.
I think I said this before in here but the credibilita of an alive Holmes/Kommodus or a lynched Holmes/Kommodus is basically the same, the only trustworthy Holmes/Kommodus is a killed one, I don't really see what's so hard to get about that fact. Lynching him can mean you don't trust him but there is no reason to trust him because you decided to leave him alive either.:dizzy2:

Prole is usually low on the radar and I don't really see a lot of difference here though that doesn't necessarily mean anything, the last time I was guilty...wait. I never was...:dizzy2:

CR is usually trustworthy though "the Truth" bugs me a bit, sounds like an exploit and Kommodus was very willing to use it and make it look like some sort of weird ceremony.:dizzy2:

I've got no clue about Kage, he could be anything I guess.

No idea about the others either.

Stig

09-17-2007, 18:47

CR is usually trustworthy though "the Truth" bugs me a bit, sounds like an exploit and Kommodus was very willing to use it and make it look like some sort of weird ceremony.:dizzy2:
Didn't CR lie before?
I believe he once did, not entirely sure tho.

Pannonian

09-17-2007, 19:01

Changing my mind about Kage, I'll go for shlin as the least bad of the choices. I'd rather vote for Brave Sir Robin, but he's not on the list.

Vote: shlin

Kommodus

09-17-2007, 19:21

In Mafia VI you were certain about me in round 1. You never really doubted my guilt.

Nah, my round 1 vote against you was basically just a lucky hunch. There were plenty of times I doubted your guilt - even down to the end.

This constantly vote switching when you start to feel the slightest pressure is odd for you, to say the least...

It may seem like I'm switching my vote in response to pressure, but I'm not. I've considered RoadKill innocent for most of the game, and only recently lapsed in this (momentarily). My vote is changed in response to my own reasoning: nothing more.

The mafia will pay attention when results are posted and try to get rid of the one that points to a player that is not mafia. If he uses Holmes as mafia, it is a great disadvantage for the town. I believe He once said that he would not use it when being mafia.

Hm... the only player I've pointed out using Holmes who has been killed so far is CountArach (IIRC). But I don't think he was the detective.

And FYI, I would indeed pretend to use Holmes if I was mafia - I don't recall ever saying otherwise. I'd fabricate results and everything (actually the numbers would be quite real, but the interpretation would be misleading). Of course, people would get suspicious of me as the game went on and my results continued to prove false. Not too far off from what's happening in this game, in fact. :sweatdrop:

I'm the most leery of Kommodus. Everyone is avoiding lynching this sacred cow of a player because supposedly it will ruin the credibility of holmes. Newsflash: holmes has down jack for the town, and this one's coming down to the wire.

You have a valid point here. I haven't been able to do much to help the town in this game yet. Honestly, I thought I'd got one when Xiahou was lynched. :embarassed:

I think one of the problems is that a significant fraction of the players in this game can't really be analyzed using Holmes yet. Others could theoretically be analyzed, but are very experienced and capable of playing such a good game as to make this very difficult.

This game is definitely not the same as other GH games - for me at least. I'm more puzzled and less confident. All I can offer is my apologies.

Kommo: Holmes is an easy way to stay under the radar. Especially combined with the fact CR claims innocence:
CR claims innocence
Kommo comes with reasons for his innocence
Kommo and CR are put in the clear

For the record, it's only CR who's put in the clear, and only because he's sworn his innocence. Yes, he has lied: but never when he states his case in this form.

Couple more thoughts:

I do believe that the mafia killed Sasaki because they thought he might've been the detective, but I felt he was trying to trick them into doing this, and they fell for it.

I still believe, at this point, that Pannonian is the best choice for the lynch. With the game coming down to the wire, I'd expect more detailed detective work from him - even if he is more interested in a meta-goal of his own than actually winning the game. He is a good player, but his contributions of late have been quite inadequate.

Stig

09-17-2007, 19:25

For the record, it's only CR who's put in the clear
No, he's not a known innocence to me.
Would he have been innocent for sure he would have been killed by the mafia.

Sasaki Kojiro

09-17-2007, 19:29

pann is probably the best lynch of the four

Csargo

09-17-2007, 19:33

When does voting close? Unvote:Roadkill, Vote:Abstain for now

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 20:31

Voting closes in about half an hour.

As for this recent bit of discussion that has come to light... I am very disappointed. Sigurd, I thought I had made it very clear in the rules that I want no attempt at the Detective to reveal privately or even hint to anyone that he was in fact, the Detective. While your little code thing is not against the letter of the rules per se it is most certainly against the spirit and I am fairly certain that you knew it was against the spirit. I do not appreciate this.

Luckily I expressed my intent to the Detective several times and in several forms both in the thread and via PM, and had the threat of a lifetime ban from my games looming over him.

My rules are in place for a reason, people.

Stig

09-17-2007, 20:43

erhh, :daisy:?

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 20:44

Read the discussion (especially what Sigurd was saying) and edit your post.

Stig

09-17-2007, 20:48

So Sasaki was the detective?
I see no reason what Sigurd has to do with it, if the detective reveales in private that is his mistake, not that of anyone else, even tho they would love to know.

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 20:50

So Sasaki was the detective?

Maybe, maybe not.

I see no reason what Sigurd has to do with it, if the detective reveales in private that is his mistake, not that of anyone else, even tho they would love to know.

He proposed the code that allows the Detective to "reveal" and post the names of the innocent in the thread, which circumvents my rules. I am expressing my displeasure. I made it clear that I want the Detective to do a clean, legit reveal in which it's clear to all parties that he's the Detective or pretending to be.

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 21:06

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 21:12

Erm, problem.

RoadKill has four votes, everyone else has two.

Ichigo and Prole, however, switched their votes off RK to invalid choices (Abstain and Kommo, respectively). Rather than risk a controversial lynching I want to wait for confirmation from the two of them about their votes. If one of them sticks with RoadKill, we have a lynch. If both of them switch off, we'll see.

The rest of the votes are locked in place. Ichigo, Prole: It's up to you.

RoadKill

09-17-2007, 21:20

I'm still alive.... :inquisitive:

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 21:37

Maybe, maybe not.

He proposed the code that allows the Detective to "reveal" and post the names of the innocent in the thread, which circumvents my rules. I am expressing my displeasure. I made it clear that I want the Detective to do a clean, legit reveal in which it's clear to all parties that he's the Detective or pretending to be.

If anyone is to blame it is me. I sniffed out the detective and prodded him with at least 4 pms.
He did not respond to any of them. The silence made me sure I had hit the nail smack on the head.
And I am not totally in agreement with the "spirit" of the rules. Only sith deals in absoulutes. If there is a loophole I surely will use it. This is my Holmes or my swearing.

Crazed Rabbit

09-17-2007, 21:44

Only sith deals in absoulutes.

Sounds rather absolute. So are you a sith, then?
~;p
Crazed Rabbit

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 21:47

If anyone is to blame it is me. I sniffed out the detective and prodded him with at least 4 pms.
He did not respond to any of them. The silence made me sure I had hit the nail smack on the head.
And I am not totally in agreement with the "spirit" of the rules. Only sith deals in absoulutes. If there is a loophole I surely will use it. This is my Holmes or my swearing.

Yeah, but look at it from the host's perspective. Say the Detective had made contact and passed the list off to you. Then you could have potentially posted the information (and I would have known exactly where you got it from since it would have matched up perfectly with the investigation results). The townies would have followed it, thus moving in the right direction without any danger to the Detective, since the info came from a dead innocent.

This would ruin the game. I don't want this.

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 21:51

Sounds rather absolute. So are you a sith, then?
~;p
Crazed Rabbit
:beam: ... You betcha.
You kill Sigurd in round 1 and he goes Berserkr. I was going to do a mean thing in Andres' game too.. but my conscience won that battle. Even that was too much for a likeminded circumventer like Andres.

Kagemusha

09-17-2007, 21:54

If anyone is to blame it is me. I sniffed out the detective and prodded him with at least 4 pms.
He did not respond to any of them. The silence made me sure I had hit the nail smack on the head.
And I am not totally in agreement with the "spirit" of the rules. Only sith deals in absoulutes. If there is a loophole I surely will use it. This is my Holmes or my swearing.

Some other could ask, does rightfull cause justify any means necessary? I dont think we need to make this game more complicated then it is. Sigurd, would you also use for example a bug in PC game for your advantage and then feel good about it? To me it would just take the fun out of the game.:smash:

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 21:59

Yeah, but look at it from the host's perspective. Say the Detective had made contact and passed the list off to you. Then you could have potentially posted the information (and I would have known exactly where you got it from since it would have matched up perfectly with the investigation results). The townies would have followed it, thus moving in the right direction without any danger to the Detective, since the info came from a dead innocent.

This would ruin the game. I don't want this.
I read you loud and clear GH... This is just the risk the Mafia makes when taking me out in the first round. If you are going to ban me for being revengeful, I will be a man and take my punishment. If you order me to be silent for the reminder of this game I shall do so too.

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 22:02

I won't do that, but let's just say this:

Had you been successful I would have dug up your corpse, brought you back to life, Wogged you, and probably banned you for at least a game. And that would be merciful compared to what the Detective would have had coming.

Enough of this conversation. I think all of us have made our points clear. :yes:

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 22:05

Some other could ask, does rightfull cause justify any means necessary? I dont think we need to make this game more complicated then it is. Sigurd, would you also use for example a bug in PC game for your advantage and then feel good about it? To me it would just take the fun out of the game.:smash:
No.. I don't like to cheat in games.
But in games were the "spirit" is lies and deceit, like the one we are playing now... I don't see it as breaking the spirit to excersise some wit in getting the upper hand. If I sniff out the detective before the mafia, it is a leverage I could use. If the detective contacted me as an innocent, I would consider it cheating. But that is just me.

Edit: Yes let's play on... enough of this.

Pannonian

09-17-2007, 22:22

No.. I don't like to cheat in games.
But in games were the "spirit" is lies and deceit, like the one we are playing now... I don't see it as breaking the spirit to excersise some wit in getting the upper hand. If I sniff out the detective before the mafia, it is a leverage I could use. If the detective contacted me as an innocent, I would consider it cheating. But that is just me.

Edit: Yes let's play on... enough of this.
If you want to look at deceit and gamesmanship, look at Lemur the Mafioso's antics in M2, when he flooded GH's inbox so he couldn't receive the detective's orders. GH wasn't too impressed by that either.

If you feel aggrieved at being killed in the 1st round, be thankful the dead can't talk rule isn't in force. Over at TWC, where this is the case, Simetrical, Mimirswell and I have been the targets of choice in the early rounds of every game we've played in. In one of them, I was specifically killed in the 2nd round (Sim having bought it in the 1st) "to shut me up". Thankfully, I've made enough noise over there that this is no longer the rule, and dead players are positively encouraged to continue chatting.

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 22:41

If you want to look at deceit and gamesmanship, look at Lemur the Mafioso's antics in M2, when he flooded GH's inbox so he couldn't receive the detective's orders. GH wasn't too impressed by that either.

If you feel aggrieved at being killed in the 1st round, be thankful the dead can't talk rule isn't in force. Over at TWC, where this is the case, Simetrical, Mimirswell and I have been the targets of choice in the early rounds of every game we've played in. In one of them, I was specifically killed in the 2nd round (Sim having bought it in the 1st) "to shut me up". Thankfully, I've made enough noise over there that this is no longer the rule, and dead players are positively encouraged to continue chatting.

Oh.. we started out with the dead can't talk rule here as well. That saved GH in his first game as GodFather. I believe he killed me in the first or second round in that game and shut CR up in my first game as Chinese Godfather, although he wasn't completely silent. :whip:

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 22:44

Lynched. I got you lynched. :grin:

Ah, the memories...

Proletariat

09-17-2007, 22:46

Unvote: Kommo oops. next roundVote: Pannonian

We needed the pitbull Pannonian back for this game. Changing your style to a more docile and less biting approach hasn't helped us this game. Why are you keeping it up?

When I was Donna in Capo, you were just about the only one who had it figured out, about half way through, just by interrogating me and my mafiosos. Not through the massive networking Redleg and Luigi did, you had it just by your brutal logic. Now you decide to take a backseat because other games have taught you something...? I don't really buy it, I think you or very likely Kommo is scum. Maybe both

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 22:47

Alrighty then, we have another tie. This time between RoadKill and Pannonian.

First broken tie there's a lynch, no matter what comes after.

RoadKill

09-17-2007, 23:19

Muahahahaha I can still vote, I forgot about that Vote:Pannion

Kagemusha

09-17-2007, 23:20

Vote Roadkill.You have been on my list of suspects,so its a clear vote.

GeneralHankerchief

09-17-2007, 23:20

And we're done.

The execution will be up sometime tonight, I have things to do (and an Eagles game to watch).

Sorry Kage, you were too late.

Pannonian

09-17-2007, 23:22

W00t! My first lynching!

RoadKill

09-17-2007, 23:27

So I'm being lynched right?

Stig

09-17-2007, 23:32

So I'm being lynched right?
Nope, you just saved you're own arse by voting Pann.
Obviously people will now say you're scummy, and seeing the record of the mafia you will be killed tonight (as Sasaki).

RoadKill

09-17-2007, 23:37

Its weird, how all the experienced players are alive, except me and BSR.....

Csargo

09-17-2007, 23:41

I would have voted Pann.

Sigurd

09-17-2007, 23:42

I would have voted Pann.
Off course you would...

Csargo

09-17-2007, 23:44

Off course you would...

:inquisitive: You have a problem?

Sigurd

09-18-2007, 00:14

:inquisitive: You have a problem?
Remember Ichi.. we are in character in this game...
As a townie in GH's game I now have you as number 1 on my suspect list, so yeah I have a problem. :thumbsdown:

Out of character I am your online buddy to the core. :yes:

Csargo

09-18-2007, 00:21

Remember Ichi.. we are in character in this game...
As a townie in GH's game I now have you as number 1 on my suspect list, so yeah I have a problem. :thumbsdown:

Out of character I am your online buddy to the core. :yes:

Why am I suspect numero uno?

GeneralHankerchief

09-18-2007, 01:17

Every fifteen seconds, Chief of Police Beirut checked his watch, groaned, and silently cursed at the sky, asking why more than fifteen seconds hadn't passed.

In the town square, the villagers, at least those who weren't at risk of lynching did the same ritual. It was boring to them. By now, the Mafia had been a constant in their life, as with the executions. The entire thing was without purpose; no matter who they lynched, the mafia would be there tomorrow to take two more lives. They grew bored with the process; saw it as pointless.

The four unlucky villagers who had emerged as the front-runners in voting were the only people present who felt something other than boredom. They faced an impending death. They faced annihilation at the hands of the antimatter chair and the Penning Traps. Odds were that even if they survived, they would quickly die later at the hands of the mafia. However, that was later and this was now, thus they were worried.

Sunset came and went without any sign of a clear lynch. The people were still discussing, debating, deliberating. Beirut supposed that the extra caution was prudent considering the situation they were facing, but he too had been dulled by the repetitiveness of the past week. He just wanted to get the night over with so he could go to sleep and wake up the following day and do it all over again until, inevitably, the mafia killed everyone in the village and he went without a job and he could spend the rest of his days alone and unemployed, living off the remnants of the once-prosperous town.

The general tone of the night was clear: The townies were losing hope.

Finally, finally[I], the long deadlock had been broken - controversially of course - but the people dismissed it with offhand remarks, casually suggesting that the person would simply be lynched the next day, or even better, killed by the mafia.

Only one person seemed to break the lethargic apathy: Pannonian, the person doomed to get his head annihilated. And even then, he seemed to be happy, almost awaiting his impending death with anticipation.

"Gentlemen," Beirut said to the crowd, "You have hereby found Pannonian guilty of murder. Pannonian, have you anything to say before you are executed?"

"Yeah," said Pannonian running up the execution platform. "This should be fun! Beirut, please. Don't be shy with the antimatter. I want this to be explosive, men."

"All... right," said Beirut, slightly taken aback at this emotional display. "Just strap yourself in and we'll be off to go." He worked, setting the chair/machine up over Pannonian's cheering. Finally, it was ready.

"Well, hope this is the end," he said, but only halfheartedly.

"Nah, it isn't. But at least I won't be around to see it," said Panno.

"Indeed," mumbled the Chief of Police. He flicked the switch, and the scientific process began again. The Penning Traps stopped working, the hydrogen and antihydrogen were set loose, moving around the tubes, meeting in Pannonian's neck, and the white light began to form, first a visible speck and then in an explosion, and then it evaporated and Pannonian's head was gone.

"See you tomorrow, I guess," said Beirut. "Same time, same place."

Voting tally for Round 8a:

Pannonian: 4 (Tiberius of the Drake, Kommodus, Proletariat, RoadKill) :skull:
RoadKill: 3 (Brave_Sir_Robin, Crazed Rabbit, Ichigo)
Kagemusha: 2 (shlin28, Stig)
shlin28: 2 (Kagemusha, Pannonian)

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (10)
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Proletariat
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Tiberius of the Drake
Kagemusha

Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien

Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Tran
sapi
discovery1
CountArach

Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
woad&fangs
Pannonian

RoadKill

09-18-2007, 01:33

Damn we lynched the wrong guy.

Tratorix

09-18-2007, 01:39

Would you have prefered we lynched you?

RoadKill

09-18-2007, 01:42

Uhh.. BSR if you havn't realized GH is obviously hinting it to us at the end of the writeup, but that could always just be a trick.

GeneralHankerchief

09-18-2007, 01:43

Uhh.. BSR if you havn't realized GH is obviously hinting it to us at the end of the writeup, but that could always just be a trick.

Beirut doesn't know who the mafia is any more than you guys do.

CountArach

09-18-2007, 08:02

Its weird, how all the experienced players are alive, except me and BSR.....
I take offence at that. I am experienced...

Beefy187

09-18-2007, 08:08

And your experienced too Roadkill:sweatdrop:

BSR is not getting any compliment for lynching me in "Spinache Pie Conspiracy" Not a nice way to start a friendship my friend.:clown:

Stig

09-18-2007, 08:43

Damn we lynched the wrong guy.
Yup, but we knew that there was no proper target with the 4 we could vote for.

Sigurd

09-18-2007, 08:56

... ehhh

The lynch of RoadKill was cancelled because Prole and Ichigo removed their votes from him. Yet Ichigo has a vote on RoadKill at the end of the day. That means RoadKill had 3 votes when Pannonian only had 2 since Prole's unvote was the only one that counted.

GH stated that Abstains would not be counted and yet it was briefly. I protest!!! The Lynch of Pannonian shouldn't have happened.

Two options.. Either undo the lynch or Remove Ichigo's vote on RoadKill.
(I guess the latter will be the easy way out)

sapi

09-18-2007, 09:00

If anyone is to blame it is me. I sniffed out the detective and prodded him with at least 4 pms.
He did not respond to any of them. The silence made me sure I had hit the nail smack on the head.
And I am not totally in agreement with the "spirit" of the rules. Only sith deals in absoulutes. If there is a loophole I surely will use it. This is my Holmes or my swearing.
I do hope you considered the possibility that you may have lucked onto a mafia player by mistake?

While I'm sure GH impressed on all with roles the proper ways in which reveal them, I can't imagine any townie player not giving you any form of reply...

Oh, and lynch roadkill next round ffs

shlin28

09-18-2007, 17:28

Why Roadkill? Why not Kagemusha...:inquisitive:

Kagemusha

09-18-2007, 18:01

Why Roadkill? Why not Kagemusha...:inquisitive:

And why Kagemusha? Why not shlin28?:laugh4:

Andres

09-18-2007, 18:47

Why me and not Ichigo, RoadKill, Brave_Sir_Robin, shlin28, Stig, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Kommodus, Tiberius of the Drake or Kagemusha?

Csargo

09-18-2007, 18:55

Kagemusha

09-18-2007, 19:21

Why me and not Ichigo, RoadKill, Brave_Sir_Robin, shlin28, Stig, Proletariat, Crazed Rabbit, Kommodus, Tiberius of the Drake or Kagemusha?

Well lets see first whom of us will live through the night.:candle:

Tratorix

09-18-2007, 19:55

And your experienced too Roadkill:sweatdrop:

BSR is not getting any compliment for lynching me in "Spinache Pie Conspiracy" Not a nice way to start a friendship my friend.:clown:

Hey, I didn't vote for you in the spinache pie conspiracy. I just pointed out that we were probably going to lynch you eventually. :sweatdrop:

Sigurd

09-18-2007, 20:10

Wrong. Prole's unvote wouldn't count either.
How am I wrong...
Did you not unvote RoadKill? Why are you listed as voting for RoadKill? I can't find the post where you voted for RoadKill after you abstained.
Hence, there was never a tie of two against two votes.. Pannonian got lynced wrongly.

GeneralHankerchief

09-18-2007, 20:53

At first it was 4-2-2-2 with RoadKill having the 4 and Prole/Ichigo voted for him.

Then Prole unvoted him with an invalid choice (Kommodus). Then Ichigo unvoted with another invalid choice (abstain). At that point it was 2-2-2-2 with three people not voting (RoadKill being the other one). I didn't want another tie, so I gave them both a chance to clarify.

Since I specifically said that abstains would not count as a vote, I put Ichigo's under the "didn't vote" category. Likewise with Prole.

I knew with the situation and the botched voting procedures I wouldn't win no matter what so I gave them both a chance to clarify.

Sigurd

09-18-2007, 21:08

GeneralHankerchief

09-18-2007, 21:32

Oh God, don't do this to me... :freak:

The point remains that when the round ended, he didn't vote for RoadKill... correct?

And so, it was just a clerical error on my part that does not affect the lynch... right?

I think so, and I think there was a conscious reason why I put his name under RoadKill yesterday, but that was yesterday...

Anyways, unless someone can show me absolute proof that Ichigo had his vote on RoadKill when I closed voting the lynch stays.

Sigurd

09-18-2007, 22:38

Oh God, don't do this to me... :freak:

I think someone should embrace the new technology and the wonders of Excel :beam:

I am just spamming your thread, ya know, to get it way past your archenemy's Godfather game.
So if you remove Ichigo's vote on RoadKill because as you said, an illegal vote makes a no vote, we can move on.
:smash:

Xiahou

09-18-2007, 23:35

RoadKill

09-18-2007, 23:36

Or we could just let RoadKill live, maybe just maybe, we made the right incorrect lynch you never know.

Csargo

09-18-2007, 23:39

GeneralHankerchief

09-19-2007, 00:36

Kills will be a bit late tonight. My .Org is really lagging and I don't want to risk them getting eaten. Apologies.

Csargo

09-19-2007, 01:40

Edit: Btw, can someone again explain to me why Ichigo isn't scummy?

:huh: Maybe you should explain why I am.

GeneralHankerchief

09-19-2007, 03:17

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Such was the norm when being part of a ghost town, as the few remaining villagers now officially were. As a result, there were no sounds to make the sleepy villagers awake early, and they all slept in. This gave Mr. A.F.I.A. all the time he needed to make proper... adjustments... to certain items in the town and still get a good sleep.

Proletariat woke up late, as did everyone in town but the mafioso. She stretched out, groggy, and began her usual morning ritual of preparing herself for the day? For what reason, though? Did she want to look pretty for the voting later in the day? Who cared? They were all going to die, but she did it anyway.

Once it was completed, she went outside to get the paper, just like so many villagers before her. Even at a distance, she could tell the paper was much smaller and thinner than usual. She was surprised that there was any news at all.

As she approached the paper, Mr. A.F.I.A.'s dilligent work through the night and morning paid off. The streetlight by her house, dark, suddenly shot out a canister of gas, perhaps triggered by a conspicuously-planted motion sensor device. Prole only had time to comprehend what had happened before the gas overwhelmed her and she passed out on the side of the road. She didn't have to make up at all.

Tiberius of the Drake similarly got up late, but unlike Prole he didn't bother making himself up, like most self-respecting men. Instead, he got out of bed, threw on some clothes (perhaps they were dirty, perhaps not. He really didn't care.), and headed directly for the garage after making himself a sandwich.

He didn't know why he hadn't thought of this earlier; it was such a perfect plan and foolproof too, for surely nobody was out to block the exits now, not with the Mafia making things difficult enough in town...

"So long, suckers," he said as he was about to enter his garage, drive his car, and leave the Frontroom behind forever.

He opened the door and collapsed, falling victim to the second of Mr. A.F.I.A.'s nighttime tinkerings. The entire garage was sealed and filled with carbon monoxide, no doubt left over from the exhaust of his car which had been running all night. Apparently it wasn't a foolproof plan after all.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "We are down to eight. Single digits, boys. Good job, you've killed off the Frontroom. So, let's try to salvage the situation and not let the Mafia finish their job. Get voting!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (8)
Ichigo
RoadKill
Brave_Sir_Robin
shlin28
Stig
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Kagemusha

Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien

Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Tran
sapi
discovery1
CountArach
Proletariat
Tiberius of the Drake

Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
woad&fangs
Pannonian

RoadKill

09-19-2007, 03:28

Okay its obvious, its CR and Kommodus, or ichigo.

Tratorix

09-19-2007, 03:43

Could you please enlighten us as to why it's obvious? I know what your argument was for Cr and Kommodus, but why Ichigo?

RoadKill

09-19-2007, 03:47

From past experience no one would have left Ichigo alive this far into the game.

Proletariat

09-19-2007, 04:10

Kill Ichigo. Now.

Xiahou

09-19-2007, 04:13

:huh: Maybe you should explain why I am.
You've been very active and drawn very little suspicion throughout most of the game, yet you're still alive.

Csargo

09-19-2007, 04:16

Alright lynch me if you must.

Proletariat

09-19-2007, 05:08

And when he pulled his suicide stunt, there wasn't a frigging mention of it. Roadkill does it and the host has to intervene. Just kill Ichigo and Kommodus and get this over with.

Csargo

09-19-2007, 05:36

Different situation...

Csargo

09-19-2007, 05:43

I quit I'm tired of this whole entire thing. People who can't keep their cool and stoop to insulting people because their upset. I'm through taking their :daisy:.

Kommodus

09-19-2007, 06:04

I quit I'm tired of this whole entire thing. People who can't keep their cool and stoop to insulting people because their upset. I'm through taking their :daisy:.

Where did this come from? :shrug:

The suicide stunt confused me too. In neither case did I see anything particularly personal involved; no venomous insults or anything. Am I missing something?

I'm still in the process of reviewing things. My initial thoughts on Ichigo are that it could easily be him... the mafioso is definitely capable of avoiding detection by Holmes, and he's a member of that exclusive cadre. Also I'm beginning to suspect that these emotional outbursts may be faked; if I remember from CN II it took a lot more to set him off. But I have more research to do, and it's really late... I need to go to bed. Big day tomorrow.

G'night everyone. :Zzzz:

sapi

09-19-2007, 08:47

I haven't seen any indication that Ichigo is doing anything but playing his usual game of mafia; I feel that a lynch in that direction would be a wasted one.

If the town is seriously considering letting RoadKill get away with his pathetic suicide stunt, and trash posts such as the one below, then I wash my hands of it.

Okay its obvious, its CR and Kommodus, or ichigo.

Sigurd

09-19-2007, 09:59

Brave_Sir_Robin
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kommodus
RoadKill
Shlin28
Stig

These are the players left and at least one of them is a Mafioso.
Based on what I have read in the thread I think we can remove
Stig, Shlin and CR from the list. There is no trace of suspicious posts from them and I have stated my thoughts on CR previously.

Brave_Sir_Robin
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kommodus
RoadKill

We will be able to lynch two of them before the game ends. Let’s get the right ones FTW.
From that list three stand out. Brave, Ichigo and RoadKill.

My suspicion towards Kagemusha and Kommodus has lessened. That does not mean they are not possible Mafiosi.

Brave_Sir_Robin has not really posted any suspicious post other than the WIFOM about his noobishness. Some of his posts have been particular intelligent. He seemed at one point to have known Sasaki’s style of playing and made comments about it. Then as I said he claims to not know how to play in a very late post (#922).

Ichigo is feigning ignorance to why we believe he is suspicious. I did a review of the players not to many posts ago. Most notable is his interaction with Andres. Voting for him in the two first rounds, then voting with him in the round he was lynched and then immediately after claiming that Andres was guilty with a detective emoticon. Well if Andres was guilty, Ichigo would have been dealt with the next round. Now why would Ichigo post something like that?

RoadKill is doing a mild The_Stranger tactic here by disrupting the game a little with obvious suspicious play. I don’t know, maybe he somehow dislikes being lynched? I guess he thinks the Mafia will let him live another day by acting scummy. It could be he is the real deal, but I am thinking: Too obvious.

Start voting people… put some votes on them.

PS: Nice Kills Mafia.. :laugh4:

Stig

09-19-2007, 10:21

As I said before:
Vote: Kommo

Enough of you hiding behind Holmes, CR claims innocence and you use it to accidently make Holmes work. You've used Holmes before when you were mafia, why not do it again, people believe you, it's the best way to hide, better than abstaining, better than being as active as Prole and better as being as irritating as Sasaki and Ichigo.

BTW, wasn't I going after you in Mafia VI as well :laugh4:

Husar

09-19-2007, 10:48

Another question might be: Why isn't Kagemusha dead?

Superstition?

Someone's afraid of "the CurseTM"?

Now who could that be? Might even be himself.

And on another note, I remember Ichigo as a much more aggressive player who used to attack people vigorously, or does he only do that to me and Sasaki?:inquisitive:
In this game his posts from what I read, are very short(not that unusual) but also don't contain a lot of anything(rather unusual I think).

Stig

09-19-2007, 11:13

Nah, Ichigo changed his style and got away with it .. unlike others. He now tends to be "irritating" by simply saying:
:inquisitive:, :no:, :shame:, :thumbsdown: or :laugh:

The only strange thing is:
CR says he's innocent
CR is not killed by mafia

sapi

09-19-2007, 11:20

The only strange thing is:
CR says he's innocent
CR is not killed by mafiaHow is that at all strange? If I was mafia, and I saw that some townies (namely, you) were insistent on questioning CR's innocence by virtue of his means of expression, I'd sure as hell let him live while the town meandered away on a pointless witchhunt...

Your logic for the Kommo vote is fatally flawed, and I'd definitely encourage the rest of the town not to fall for such stupidity.

Another question might be: Why isn't Kagemusha dead?

Superstition?

Someone's afraid of "the CurseTM"?

Now who could that be? Might even be himself.Either that, or blind luck :grin2:

Kage doesn't strike me as fitting the mafia profile in this game, tbh, though he's worth a look next round, if we miss again. We've got better targets (such as RK, or BSR) right now, though...

And on another note, I remember Ichigo as a much more aggressive player who used to attack people vigorously, or does he only do that to me and Sasaki?
In this game his posts from what I read, are very short(not that unusual) but also don't contain a lot of anything(rather unusual I think).Sounds like the Ichigo I know :laugh4: I've seen no real change there ~:)

As sigurd has pointed out, BSR has yet again managed to slip under the radar with little response from us townies. Give him a poke, and ask whether he feels like helping the town at all at this stage?

Stig

09-19-2007, 11:28

You say it's flawed, you don't say why it's flawed.
So you yourself are flawed.

Seriously mate, if you criticise do it well, don't make the easy mistakes.

sapi

09-19-2007, 13:43

You say it's flawed, you don't say why it's flawed.
So you yourself are flawed.

Seriously mate, if you criticise do it well, don't make the easy mistakes.
I would have thought that that was clear?

CR has claimed innocence, but has not been killed. I'm with you thus far ~;)

Where you err is to suggest that the reason that he still lives is because he's mafia.

You're ignoring the very real possibility that the mafia have learned from their mistake with Sasaki, and will now let townie players who generate enough suspicion to deflect votes from the correct targets live for at least a couple more rounds.

Furthermore, to suggest, based on this tenuous claim, that Kommo is a mafia for protecting CR, is quite simply stupid.

Firstly, the rest of the town seems to have brought CR's claim of innocence, and it's been verified as what is 'legit' for him by several old hands at the game.

Secondly, they both can't be mafia, as the writeups have indicated that there's only one left.

Quite honestly, stig, I expected better of you. Or are you actually trying to deflect suspicion from yourself?

Kommodus

09-19-2007, 14:18

Enough of you hiding behind Holmes, CR claims innocence and you use it to accidently make Holmes work. You've used Holmes before when you were mafia, why not do it again, people believe you, it's the best way to hide, better than abstaining, better than being as active as Prole and better as being as irritating as Sasaki and Ichigo.

Just to clarify, there is no connection between my belief in CR's innocence and Holmes, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say I used it to make Holmes "work." The reality is, my analytical methods obviously haven't worked very well for me so far in this game.

Out of curiosity, how am I being "irritating?" ~:confused:

sapi

09-19-2007, 14:22

Just to clarify, there is no connection between my belief in CR's innocence and Holmes, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say I used it to make Holmes "work." The reality is, my analytical methods obviously haven't worked very well for me so far in this game.

Out of curiosity, how am I being "irritating?" ~:confused:
You know, those long posts and all, they take time to read :no:

:grin2:

Sigurd

09-19-2007, 14:30

Let's throw Holmes a line of faith here...

Which ones of the remaining players would be difficult reads?
No offence to either Shlin or RoadKill, but I believe that holmes would have sniffed them out by now.
I hope Kommodus have looked at Kagemusha. There should be ample material to digg in. He has been mafia twice.
That leaves IMO Ichigo, the chaos player and Brave the new one without data material.

Put preassure on them both...

right now the tally is:

Kommodus: 1 (Stig)

Kommodus will be lynched if no more votes are placed. Hurry up!! only a few hours left. :whip:

Stig

09-19-2007, 14:55

how am I being "irritating?

*** no personal attacks please, thank you ***

Kagemusha

09-19-2007, 16:50

Prole,why are you so sure about Ichigo and Kommo being guilty? Also to others, Ichi wasnt the only one who tryed to play the suicide stunt. Roadkill did it also last round. As i didnt have the actual chance last round to vote Roadkill, becouse i was too late.Im doing it so now. Vote Roadkill

shlin28

09-19-2007, 17:06

Vote: Ichigo

Just a pressure vote :yes:

Andres

09-19-2007, 18:32

Stig, you were in mafia VI. You know CR's reputation as well as I do. I don't understand why you are keeping him on your suspect list.

And Kommo isn't really hiding behind holmes. He has said several times that holmes isn't perfect. He also stated that we shouldn't rely entirely on holmes. And, correct me if I'm mistaken, he picked D_G as the second mafioso in Mafia VI, allthough DG didn't get detected by holmes...

:inquisitive:

Stig

09-19-2007, 18:54

Sapi, if you're the detective, and you investigated Kommo and Cr, just say so :laugh4:

Come, give us a hint, who do you think is quilty ~D

Kommodus

09-19-2007, 19:07

Which ones of the remaining players would be difficult reads?
No offence to either Shlin or RoadKill, but I believe that holmes would have sniffed them out by now.

I had named shlin28 in my first analysis. This was because his activity level was way down, and he kept complaining about there being too much material to read. I suspected this to be a cover, and Holmes, which identifies behavior changes, would've named him a suspect.

However, later I began to see things differently and consider him more likely innocent, simply by reviewing his posts. Also, now that The Secret Formula is over, we see that he was mafia in it - so that game was probably getting most of his attention.

RoadKill's statistics, as I have said, appear normal to me. The main strikes against him are his poor use of logic and questionable behavior in the last round. But I still don't think it's him.

I hope Kommodus have looked at Kagemusha. There should be ample material to digg in. He has been mafia twice.

Yes, there's plenty of material on Kagemusha. But he's also an extremely good player - especially as mafia - and I doubt he'd be caught by statistical analysis. He's, I dunno, one of those players I'm always paranoid of because of his skill. I've known for a long time that catching him would ultimately come down to good interpretation of his posts, and in this area he'd be quite capable of fooling us all, including me.

Nevertheless I think he's innocent as well.

That leaves IMO Ichigo, the chaos player and Brave the new one without data material.

Put preassure on them both...

Lately I've been getting more and more suspicious of Ichigo. He's posted a lot, and kept his statistics mostly in line with his norm... but the content of some of his posts makes me suspect that he's doing this deliberately. Add to this his apparently insincere attempts to quit/commit suicide with what I think is very slight provocation (unless he's taking a lot of heat in the chat?), and I'm just about ready to:

Vote: Ichigo

I'll have to review this when I get home and have access to Holmes again.

Csargo

09-19-2007, 19:08

I quit... or suicided whatever.

Crazed Rabbit

09-19-2007, 19:49

Ichigo; when? :dizzy2:

I'm going to stick with roadkill for previously voiced reasons (persistent terrible logic). Yes, it can be said that no mafia would act so strangely, but its worked for him so far, hasn't it?

vote:Roadkill

Tally:
Roadkill: 2 (CR, Kage)
Ichigo: 2 (Kommodus, Shlin28)
Kommodus: 1 (stig)

CR

Csargo

09-19-2007, 19:52

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1679347&postcount=1199

Tratorix

09-19-2007, 20:50

Vote: Roadkill

I was suspicious of him last round and his little suicide stunt proves it IMO.

RoadKill

09-19-2007, 21:00

Vote: Kommodus Exact same reason, its obvious he is using his Holmes tatics to hide his fact as mafia. And I have no explaination for those who are suspicious of me, as your reasons are nonsense. I'm the mafia becuase I keep prusing a person who I think is the mafia? :inquisitive:

Also it seems most of you have fallen to kommodus' trick.

GeneralHankerchief

09-19-2007, 21:27

Kills are up.

RoadKill

09-19-2007, 21:36

Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: Ichigo

Just so I can tie it up, I'm not ready to be lynched because of this.

Sigurd

09-19-2007, 21:40

Now we'll see who Ichigo votes for...

I have popcorn

GeneralHankerchief

09-19-2007, 22:46

I seem to be coming down with a slight illness and as such, I currently have little energy and most likely won't be able to do the execution tonight.

Therefore, be prepared for an indefinite extension (and by indefinite, I mean 24 hours max).

Sigurd

09-19-2007, 23:00

woooohoooo...
I bet the mafia is sweating now :sweatdrop:

:beam:

Kommodus

09-20-2007, 07:02

Gah. I'm not comfortable with this... silence. It's too much like the end of Cosa Nuova II, when poor Caius went down with little fanfare and the mafia took the game.

I'd like to see what would happen if the pressure was on BSR. I'm beginning to grow more suspicious of him, in part because of this post:

Four way tie. Interesting.

I don't think Pannonian is guilty. Most of what i've seen from him doesn't seem that suspicious. then again , most people seem to be voting on him based on a change in personality, which I really have nothing to compare against.

Shlin isn't mafia, if he was he would be trying to tip votes away from himself like he did in The Secret Formula, where he basically freaked out when it looked like he was going to be lynched. He's far to calm here to be mafia.

kagemusha looks like he's just trying to get some people to post more and root out the mafia. Nothing too suspicious.

Roadkill is at the top of my suspect list. The fact that he seems so convinced of Kommodus's guilt seems odd to me. i'm a bit suspicious of Kommodus too, but Roadkill seems to be going after him rather singlemindedly(probably not a word, but i'll go with it.)

The reasoning is quite sound. However, you seem quite confident of the innocence of Pannonian, Shlin, and Kagemusha, while going after RoadKill for a reason that doesn't sound entirely convincing to me.

Basically, I'm sensing a possible mafioso strategy. The theory goes like this: you know that the first three suspects are innocent, so you name them as innocent in order to get them on your side. Then you pick an easy target - in this case RoadKill - and try to get him lynched. You suspect this will be the easiest target, since RoadKill is already going after someone else you know to be innocent using patently false reasoning.

BSR, you're new to mafia at the Org - welcome. :bow: But you've done a nice job of proving your mafia acumen, and it appears that you either have some experience with the game or you've picked up its nuances remarkably quickly.

looking through the new posts here, I'm thinking the mafia really shot themselves in the foot my killing Sasaki. By proving him innocent, they basically allow him to start bandwagons on whoever he wants. Therefore, unless they are rolling dice to pick their kills or something, i'd say they're fairly new at this mafia thing(and yes, I realize that puts me under suspision). I mean, we probably would have ended up lynching Sasaki pretty soon, as he was second in votes through both rounds. An experienced mafia player would probably have realized this and left him alone, unless they really believed he was the detective.

While this post acknowledges yourself as a potential suspect, it's pretty clear that at least one of its intended consequences is to make yourself less suspicious. After all, if you were mafia, you certainly wouldn't have killed Sasaki. Right?

It was only later, when threatened with lynching, that you said this:

Cool, this could be my first time getting lynched in a mafia game :2thumbsup: . As for people asking why I haven't been posting much, well, I didn't see much point in it. This is my first time in one of these games, so I don't have much of a clue as to what "mafia behaviour" looks like. If you really feel the need to lynch me, go ahead, but do it if you think i'm guilty not 'cause someone else told you to.

Very calm response, sir - congratulations! Perhaps it means you are innocent after all. But then, that like about not having a clue as to what mafia behaviour looks like strikes me as strange. A good deal of game time had already passed and you had already shown that you had a pretty good handle on things.

I may regret this, but:

Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Brave_Sir_Robin

People who voted RoadKill: please unvote him and vote Ichigo or Brave_Sir_Robin. This round's lynching should be one of these two.

GeneralHankerchief: I'd feel more comfortable with a clear idea of when the round will end.

Stig

09-20-2007, 07:07

Tally:
Roadkill: 3 (CR, Kage, BSR)
Ichigo: 2 (Roadkill, Shlin28)
Kommodus: 1 (Stig)
BSR: 1 (Kommo)

Stig

09-20-2007, 07:09

btw

You're ignoring the very real possibility that the mafia have learned from their mistake with Sasaki, and will now let townie players who generate enough suspicion to deflect votes from the correct targets live for at least a couple more rounds.
Is he drawing any votes?
Not really, no

So tell me, who is right? It's me isn't it

Sasaki Kojiro

09-20-2007, 07:25

brave sir robin is def the way to go

sapi

09-20-2007, 08:21

btw

Is he drawing any votes?
Not really, no

So tell me, who is right? It's me isn't it
Your discussion has proved distraction enough ~:)

RK would, I feel, be the best target today; with BSR going down tomorrow if the game continues

RK has simply flip-flopped too much, and has offered votes with ridiculous reasoning behind them.

I don't want to believe that he's stupid, which leaves guilty as the only other choice :grin2:

GeneralHankerchief

09-20-2007, 13:25

Voting will end at 15:00 GMT -5 today.

shlin28

09-20-2007, 13:47

Still sticking with my vote on Ichigo, although I do not get why Roadkill is gonna be lynched (only skimmed over the thread last night) :dizzy2:

Andres

09-20-2007, 13:56

Still sticking with my vote on Ichigo, although I do not get why Roadkill is gonna be lynched (only skimmed over the thread last night) :dizzy2:

Ichigo committed suicide. I don't understand why you people are still voting him. His statement was clear. This means that if Ichigo isn't the one with the most votes, he will be eliminated anyway.

So, you should better vote another player, which will result in the death of two suspects: Ichigo and player X.

shlin28

09-20-2007, 13:58

I thought suicide wasn't allowed?

Kommodus

09-20-2007, 14:39

Crap. My recent post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1680513&postcount=1228) already got bumped back a page. So I'm posting this here to make sure it doesn't get missed. If you haven't read it yet, please go back and consider it carefully.

C'mon people, how about some more votes for Brave_Sir_Robin? There's not very much time left.

Regarding Ichigo: he's said he quit. If this is real, and he is gone at the end of this round, fine. If not, he should be our next lynch target, if the game continues.

Andres

09-20-2007, 14:47

Regarding Ichigo: he's said he quit. If this is real, and he is gone at the end of this round, fine. If not, he should be our next lynch target, if the game continues.

He said he quit. He shouldn't survive this round. That would be cheating imo. And from what he told me in the chat, he really meant it. He suicided several pages ago. Hence why I don't understand people still voting for him.

But since some players still have doubts, I'd like GH to answer this question, just so that everybody can be 100 % sure:

@GH: can we consider Ichigo dead in this game?

Kagemusha

09-20-2007, 15:10

Lets start putting some real pressure on the main suspects of mine. Unvote Roadkill and Vote BSR

Kommodus

09-20-2007, 18:41

C'mon guys, one more vote for BSR to put the lynch noose around his neck. Right now the vote is tied 2-2-2 between him, Ichigo, and RoadKill. BSR was just online; he posted in CountArach's game, but not here. I wonder why not?

I think he's been playing a very good game as mafia, but his time is just about up.

GeneralHankerchief

09-20-2007, 20:01

Voting over.

Let me confirm the tally and I'll decide what to do.

shlin28

09-20-2007, 20:03

Er... OK

Unvote Ichigo, Vote BSR

Edit: NO!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTED TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GeneralHankerchief

09-20-2007, 20:12

I'll count your vote shlin since it was a three-way tie anyway and Ichigo will in fact die this round.

Stand by for the execution.

Proletariat

09-20-2007, 20:29

GH, are we gonna get any answer on the Ichigo suicide?

Pannonian

09-20-2007, 20:37

GH, are we gonna get any answer on the Ichigo suicide?
Before shlin's vote, the tally was a 3-way tie between Roadkill, BSR and Ichigo, all on 2 votes each. Shlin then unvoted Ichigo and voted BSR. GH accepted this, making it 3 votes to BSR and the lynch, as Ichigo will die this round anyway. This means Ichigo will indeed suicide this round.

Proletariat

09-20-2007, 20:53

If Ichigo is mafia, it's really cheap he was allowed to play around with the suicide tactic when Roadkill was admonished for it. Guess we'll see

GeneralHankerchief

09-20-2007, 20:55

The only reason RoadKill had for suiciding was that he seemed to be getting the most votes. Ichigo on the other hand was mad about how serious the game was being taken and how apparently there had been a comment levelled at him. This is why I accepted his suicide and denied RoadKill's.

Husar

09-20-2007, 21:09

If Ichigo is mafia, it's really cheap he was allowed to play around with the suicide tactic when Roadkill was admonished for it. Guess we'll see
Ichi wasn't playing around, his suicide counts, please read the thread as it has been said twice before your post! :juggle2:

GeneralHankerchief

09-20-2007, 21:24

Chief of Police Beirut stood on the execution platform, looking out over the small group of people (they could no longer be considered a crowd) but not really paying attention. Instead, his nose was in a book and he was thumbing through the pages, muttering to himself.

"No, this one's too normal... maybe we'll use that one later... ugh! That should do it!"

He did this for several minutes, which passed into hours. Beirut's comments were occasionally marked with groans, and gradually the attention of the townies waned from the voting process to their Chief of Police's mutterings, finally visibly losing all interest in voting. After a while of this noticeable lack of silence, Beirut paused and looked up.

"Oh," he said, surprised, "So you're all done then?" Without waiting for anyone to answer, he continued. "Good, then. I'll tally the votes." He placed the book down on a small wooden table on the platform. Also on the table was a simple handgun, a pistol designed primarily self-defense. Surely he wouldn't use it as a firing squad weapon? The town wondered.

"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby found Brave_Sir_Robin to be guilty of murder. BSR, have you anything to say before you are killed?"

BSR stepped up to the execution platform, still looking confused. Evidently the fact that he was going to die, now, hadn't set in yet. "Yeah," he said, "What's up with the book?"

"Oh," said Beirut, "It's going to be killing you.

"Let me explain," he continued as he saw the town react with puzzlement. This is no ordinary book. This is The Complete Collection of William Topaz McGonagall, widely considered to be the worst poet in the entire English language. I will be reading a selection from his book today, with headphones on of course. You, by the end of it, will be so disgusted and will want to make it stop that you will seize the gun on the table, point it at your head, and fire desperately, hoping to make it stop."

There was a shocked gasp that rippled through the townies. Hanging was okay, the electric chair fine, sharks with frickin' lazers not bad, even the antimatter chair was all right. But this... this was pure torture! BSR already began to shudder.

"Ahem." Everyone put their hands to their ears, but BSR's were tied down. He grimaced in anticipation.

"Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv'ry Tay!
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last Sabbath day of 1879,
Which will be remember'd for a very long time."

Everybody groaned. It was The Tay Bridge Disaster, possibly the worst one of the lot! BSR began shrieking and writhing, desperately trying to get free.

"'Twas about seven o'clock at night,
And the wind it blew with all its might,
And the rain came pouring down,
And the dark clouds seem'd to frown,
And the Demon of the air seem'd to say-
'I'll blow down the Bridge of Tay.'"

By the close of the second stanza, Beirut could barely be heard over Brave_Sir_Robin's screaming and pounding the floor. Nevertheless, he simply raised his voice and pressed on.

"When the train left Edinburgh
The passengers' hearts were light and felt no sorrow,
But Boreas blew a terrific gale,
Which made their hearts for to quail,
And many of the passengers with fear did say-
'I hope God will send us safe across the Bridge of Tay.'"

By now BSR was working furiously to undo his ropes. Several townies who had unconsciously let up pressed harder on their ears, their faces turning red from the effort.

"But when the train came near to Wormit Bay,
Boreas he did loud and angry bray,
And shook the central girders of the Bridge of Tay
On the last Sabbath day of 1879,
Which will be remember'd for a very long time."

Two things happened at the end of the fourth stanza. First of all, BSR succeeeded in undoing his bounds, groped furiously, madly, for the gun, and blasted himself in the head, falling to the floor with a facial expression of blessed relief.

Secondly, and even more gruesomely, Ichigo took his hands off his hears for a moment to scrach an itch on his neck, immediately grimacing at the horrid poetry being read aloud. It was a pesky itch, however, and his ears remained undefended for too long. At the end of the last word ("time") the terrible rhyme proved to be too much, and his entire body burst in flames, spontaneously combusting for all the Frontroom to see.

"Wow," said Beirut, impressed. "That was only about half the poem. Anyway, good night."

Voting tally for Round 9:

Brave_Sir_Robin: 3 (shlin28, Kommodus, Kagemusha) :skull:
RoadKill: 2 (Brave_Sir_Robin, Crazed Rabbit)
Kommodus: 1 (Stig)
Ichigo: 1 (RoadKill)

Didn't vote: 1 (Ichigo)

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (6)
RoadKill
shlin28
Stig
Crazed Rabbit
Kommodus
Kagemusha

Suicide/Wrath of God:
Ignoramus
FesterShinetop
Fragony
Don Corleone
Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Ichigo

Killed:
pevergreen
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius Flaminius
Killfr3nzy
Sasaki Kojiro
Byzantine Mercenary
Warmaster Horus
Xdeathfire
Destroyer of Hope
Twilightblade
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan
Tran
sapi
discovery1
CountArach
Proletariat
Tiberius of the Drake

Executed:
Sarathos
Husar
Beefy187
Andres
Lemur
Xiahou
woad&fangs
Pannonian
Brave_Sir_Robin