HOTSEAT - Grand Campaign Hotseat 2: The Rising Storm [Archive] - Page 2

Zim

12-26-2007, 23:59

Alright, at least two factions in one day, a nice start the day after Christmas. :2thumbsup:

Most likely deguera can get his turn in tonight, and we'll make it at least 3. :yes:

I added a section for alliances and ongoing conflicts in the first post of the Council thread. It may be incomplete I'm going to go though all of the thread later today and update it to the best of my ability.

Comments and criticisms on it are welcome. I can add sections, take them away, or take the whole thing down if nobody likes it. :yes:

deguerra

12-27-2007, 00:41

will have mine in a few minutes

deguerra

12-27-2007, 01:00

Portugal is up.

Will PM gibsons91921

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-1-Portugal.rar

Ignoramus

12-27-2007, 01:43

I'm going away until the 3rd of January. I hope I can play my turn, as I'm in a rather critical phase of the game.

deguerra

12-27-2007, 01:48

well we dont seem to be moving THAT quickly, so it should be ok, i think.

Zim

12-27-2007, 01:54

You should be ok, but if there's a particular person you'd trust to sub, it might be a good idea to tell me, just in case.

Edit: I went through the Council thread, and couldn't find any more really overt alliances/conflicts, so forhe time being, consider the notes on the first post there as fully updated.

OverKnight

12-27-2007, 06:25

I have a question about game play, Should Jihads and Crusades be announced?

I announced the Jihad because I felt that it would be a "global" event, other nations, even in Europe, would hear about it. Granted I could have kept it quiet, but I don't think that would be realistic. The Jihad/Crusade is too powerful a game mechanic to be stealthy. If there is a Crusade, I'd expect that it would have a public announcement as well.

All I ask is that we adopt a consistent approach, as this is something I don't want to see meta-gamed.

Thoughts?

Zim

12-27-2007, 06:27

Given that they would be major events (at least for the cultures in which they were called, and the target) they should be announced. I'll add a rule in a bit, right now I'm watching a movie with my wife. :beam:

Ramses II CP

12-27-2007, 06:33

The first crusade was called sneakily in the other GC hotseat, but FYI members of your own religion can tell when you call one as long as they check the Pope/their highest Imam or look for highlighted foreign cities on the map. Orthodox players just get hosed though.

:egypt:

Privateerkev

12-27-2007, 06:45

I figure since the SP game tells you about it, you should know in MP.

As for how Orthodox people can find out, there is a way but it is less than ideal. If you keep track of the diplomacy menu, you will notice if a ton of factions declare war on the same faction. This is a good clue that a Jihad/Crusade has been called.

Also, if you keep track of faction rankings, you might notice a faction's military power go up in addition to their finances. It is a good clue that they are getting free upkeep stacks and supplementing them with Jihad/Crusade mercs.

_Tristan_

12-27-2007, 12:04

Yes and the missions scroll generally indicates that a Crusade/Jihad has been called and the target...

Zim

12-28-2007, 01:21

Ok, Gibson gave me directions and permission to sub, so here's the save for Poland.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-1-Poland.zip

FactionHeir

12-28-2007, 01:28

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-1-Hungary.zip

Zim

12-28-2007, 01:37

Alright, one more turn to go, and we'll have made it through all 17 factions! :2thumbsup:

Csargo

12-28-2007, 03:42

I'll be gone from tomorrow til around Wed. or Thurs. If my turn comes up around then then Zim or someone else can play my turn.

Zim

12-28-2007, 03:45

Ok, if you can pm me some directions (put them in a spolier tag if there's someone else you'd prefer to sub) it will make things easier. :yes:

Cheetah

12-28-2007, 05:30

I will do it today.

Zim

12-28-2007, 07:04

Alright, Cheetah's today is overnight for most of us here in the Western Hemisphere, and PK gets through his turns in these games notoriously quickly, so that makes it very likely Roadkill's turn will come up before he returns from vacation. He's given me permission to sub, but with my (Venice's) ally Milan claiming Bern, there might be a conflict of interest. From the Council thread it's hard to see precisely who he has allied with.

Announcement: Anyone who's allied to France can pm me to sub his turn tomorrow, or I can do it and just follow the directions he had left when he first told me I could sub.

Cheetah

12-28-2007, 20:25

It is up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-England.rar

Privateerkev

12-28-2007, 21:14

Here is the save for whoever is subbing for France:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-France.zip

Zim

12-28-2007, 21:18

Ok, I guess since I have the detailed directions from France, I'll take the save.

Zim

12-28-2007, 22:05

HRE is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-HRE.zip

Cecil XIX

12-28-2007, 23:22

Spain is up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Spain.zip)

Zim

12-28-2007, 23:42

Cool. My wife gets home in about 2 1/2 hours. She can do her turn then, and I'll get mine up right after. :thumbsup:

Zim

12-28-2007, 23:46

I guess I'll be playing Sicily's turn as well (bwahaha, soon I'll be subbing every faction, and can fight wars against myself! :clown: ).

Seriously, once New Years comes subbing will most likely be much rarer. :yes:

hmmm I wont be able to play from the 25th untill the 1st so you can sub for me if my turn comes up then.

Zim

12-29-2007, 00:13

Alright, after a terrifying turn in another hotseat in which a large number of my generals died to "snakebite" in one turn, I thought an announcement to players new to hotseats might be in order.

I know a fair number of players either don't bother much with agents (I'm thinking of spies and assassins, mostly) because they dislike the micromanagement or think it's "gamey" against the hapless AI.

In MP games like this, all is fair game. Unlike the AI, players can use defensive screens of agents to defend, and players who do use them offensively will have a big advantage. Neglect them at your own risk.

If I recall correctly, spies in settlements will greatly lower the chances of your town being infiltrated and gates opened, and assassins in general's stacks can help a little to protect against enemy assassins.

This has been a public service announcement. :clown:

deguerra

12-29-2007, 00:16

thanks zim. :2thumbsup: im probably one of the people who doesnt overly use spies, but especially assassins in SP (they just serve no real purpose), so thanks for the heads up. All Danish Kings will be in northern Sweden. Try to get them there. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA:clown:

Zim

12-29-2007, 00:25

No problem. I'm just now starting to realize that hotseats are vastly different from SP games in this way, and figured others might like to know as well, before they find their faction assassinated into oblivion or something.

On a side note, any non-allied assassins or spies found on Venetian or nearby allied territory may have "accidents".

A new alliance has been added to the first post of the Council thread, between the HRE, England, and Denmark. If you want to think up some snazzy name for it, I'll be glad to change the post to reflect it.

thanks zim. :2thumbsup: im probably one of the people who doesnt overly use spies, but especially assassins in SP (they just serve no real purpose), so thanks for the heads up. All Danish Kings will be in northern Sweden. Try to get them there. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA:clown:

Privateerkev

12-29-2007, 00:46

No problem. I'm just now starting to realize that hotseats are vastly different from SP games in this way, and figured others might like to know as well, before they find their faction assassinated into oblivion or something.

On a side note, any non-allied assassins or spies found on Venetian or nearby allied territory may have "accidents".

A new alliance has been added to the first post of the Council thread, between the HRE, England, and Denmark. If you want to think up some snazzy name for it, I'll be glad to change the post to reflect it.

I believe it is called the North-Sea Alliance. :yes:

Also, we might as well get this question out of the way. Can we "stomp" agents? There is the "no exploits" rule so my first thought would be to not allow it. But if it is allowed, then that changes things because it would be easier to deal with agents.

And by "stomp", I mean the tactic of surrounding an agent with army units and then putting the last unit on top of the agent, which kills them.

Zim

12-29-2007, 00:52

That's a tough question. I disapprove of assassinating factions into oblivion, but as that's a legitamate game mechanic, I can't restrict it via rules (I encourage strong IC consequences, however). Now I'm faced with an opposite situation. I think this can easily be justified via roleplaying, as with so many units needed it makes sense they could comb an area and capture an agent. However, I think it is technically an exploit.

I'd like some of the other players to chime in on it. What do you guys think. Is agent stomping really an exploit or perfectly acceptable?

It's not game-breaking so I'll go with whatever the majority of players think.

I believe it is called the North-Sea Alliance. :yes:

Also, we might as well get this question out of the way. Can we "stomp" agents? There is the "no exploits" rule so my first thought would be to not allow it. But if it is allowed, then that changes things because it would be easier to deal with agents.

And by "stomp", I mean the tactic of surrounding an agent with army units and then putting the last unit on top of the agent, which kills them.

Privateerkev

12-29-2007, 00:59

I am ok with it being banned or allowed. As long as it is clear which one it is.

It is an exploit but it does seem less "cheesy" than some of the other exploits.

"he said comb the desert so we're combing it." :clown:

FactionHeir

12-29-2007, 01:00

I'd vote for ban.

GeneralHankerchief

12-29-2007, 01:03

I say allow.

If someone wants to invest the units and MP for getting rid of one agent, we should let them and then they can suffer the possible consequences of being out of position.

FactionHeir

12-29-2007, 01:05

Usually the agents are around your cities, so you can stomp them rather easily and still have your garrison all back inside.
IMO if you want to get rid of an agent, do it using spies and assassins or priests depending on enemy type.

rossahh

12-29-2007, 01:07

Well, it may be an exploit but if you surround someone with 540 guys (9 units of 60 men for instance) with the purpose of killing them, they're not going to escape. It may be an exploit, but I like to use it so I'll be daring and say that I'd like to be able to do it.

FactionHeir

12-29-2007, 01:07

Note it takes 9 units at most. You can do it with as little as 2 depending on terrain.

Zim

12-29-2007, 01:13

Ah, the debate begins. I'll wait a day or so to see what most of the players think. For now, no agent stomping...except burn happy inquisitors, I hate those guys. Kill them however you want.

The Org, where else can you talk about both video games, have serious discussions about history and hear quotes from Futurama, The Simpsons, various Monty Python movies, and Mel Brooks movies? :beam:

rossahh

12-29-2007, 01:37

Ok, but even you only have 2 of the smallest units (20 guys each), I would still put my money on 40 men chasing down a priest (and his nun and choirboy) in a 'real life' situation.

Cecil XIX

12-29-2007, 02:16

Considering a ban would be difficult to enforce, and that there's plenty of in-game justification, I say keep it in.

deguerra

12-29-2007, 02:30

I dislike gamey things, but I also dislike that there is no way of dealing with agents, other than with other agents in the game. So I too would be for inclusion of this exploit.

Ramses II CP

12-29-2007, 02:47

I would be opposed. If you want to get rid of an agent use an assassin. Especially in the case of an inquisitor, whom you couldn't 'comb the area' for without arousing even more Papal disapproval.

:egypt:

Zim

12-29-2007, 02:52

Well, if we're being realistic an inquisitor could not burn a King or his daughter at the stake. I know if I were a King and one tried that, I'd have him drawn and quartered. :clown:

I would be opposed. If you want to get rid of an agent use an assassin. Especially in the case of an inquisitor, whom you couldn't 'comb the area' for without arousing even more Papal disapproval.

:egypt:

Privateerkev

12-29-2007, 03:11

Realizing that not everyone in this game is a KotR veteran, I should probably point out that while the Council thread is heated, it's all IC.

In real life it's "all good". :2thumbsup:

~:grouphug:

Zim

12-29-2007, 03:42

Ok, Molly took her turn, I took mine, and I'm EF's sub while he is away, so Milan's up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Milan.zip

Is anyone an ally of Scotland? They'll have a turn coming up long before Ignoramus gets back from vacation. Ig didn't leave notes for a sub, so I have to use my GM powers to appoint one. Any allies/factions far enough away not to have a stake who could play his turn?

rossahh

12-29-2007, 03:52

Scotland's allies? Good luck on that search, Zim.

Speaking of which, Scotland is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Scotland.rar

Zim

12-29-2007, 03:55

I sent a pm to someone far enough away to not be invested in the war in Britanna (Egypt's player). I'll play if noone else will, but I think I used up my sub quota. It'd feel wierd playing yet another player's turn.

Cheetah

12-29-2007, 04:07

Also, we might as well get this question out of the way. Can we "stomp" agents? There is the "no exploits" rule so my first thought would be to not allow it. But if it is allowed, then that changes things because it would be easier to deal with agents.

If the enemy can see your agent why not? Although technically it is an "exploit" but it is more historical than anything else. If the king sends a few hundred soldiers to kill a priest, assasin, or merchant even, who would dare to stop them?
Do not send your agents into lands where they are not wanted! Or keep them hidden! Or at least reasonably far away from big garrisons! IMO this is as historical as it can be. ~;)

Ramses II CP

12-29-2007, 04:22

The Byzantines are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Byzantium.zip

Felt a little odd making that decision for Scotland, but there were no options. I'll post about it in the other thread.

:egypt:

Zim

12-29-2007, 04:54

Privateerkev

12-29-2007, 06:47

Announcement: Due to some complications over a minor rules issue (not over cheating, something else) Privateerkev can no longer go on playing as England. Tran asked to be a reserve player, so I'll pm them to see if we can get a replacement.

Not quite...

I am not mad about what happened but lets set the record straight shall we?

Zim asked me to "tone it down" in the Council thread.

I said no.

Zim told me that I needed to "treat fellow players with some respect IC", without saying specifically what that means.

I said no. I believe I can say anything I want IC as long as it follows .Org policy.

Zim ejected me from the game.

Now, a GM has every right to make up what ever rules he wants for his game.

And a player has every right to refuse to follow them.

And the GM has every right to eject them for refusing to follow his rules.

So, I don't think either of us did anything wrong.

While the whole situation is regrettable, there is no hard feelings on my end.

I look forward to playing with everyone in other games. :beam:

Good luck to everyone and I hope everyone has a fun game! :2thumbsup:

gibsonsg91921

12-29-2007, 06:50

Bye PK, sorry to lose ya.

Zim

12-29-2007, 07:00

I guess I should post an official version, then.

I received a complaint that PK was being harsh enough to disturb one of the other players. This was not the first complaint, and so I sent him a pm asking if he would tone it down. This is a social game, like any other roleplaying game, and there's a limit to what people can say to eachother.

PK sent a rather longish pm back that didn't seem to me to answer much. I thought I had been unclear, and his pm seemed to accuse me of that
,as well as threatening to walk out on the game. So I sent him a pm explaining that I couldn't have this kind of complaint coming about a player and said that he could tone his posts down a little or leave the game as he threatened.

After this a number of pms were exchanged in which he did nothing but repeat the same arguments and challenge me to actually kick him from the game. I told him a couple times I did not want to argue and that he could either say he'll tone down his posts or leave the game. I thought this drawn out argument was a bit childish, but after giant pm number 4 or 5 in which he argued with me and challenged me to kick him out again, I told him that he was out of the game.

I thought I was being reasonable, and just wanted a short clear answer along the lines of "Sorry, I did not realize players were offended. I will try to tone it down a little" or "No, I disagree with that ruling and find it unreasonable. I cannot continue in the game". Instead I received rather longish lectures.

I still don't know why it had to drag on for so long, but it's over. :no:

PK, I'm asking you nicely. Please stop posting in this thread if you're going to continue about this. You've given your version of events, and this is mine. I know you like to argue, but don't want to see the game or thread derailed (we nearly lost a couple players the last time a big argument occurred here).

Privateerkev

12-29-2007, 17:02

Actually I don't like to argue. But, if you insist on mis-characterizing me, then I'll say some more. I welcome you to make our PM's public. (I have the habit of deleting mine right away or my PM box fills up)

My PM's were quite nice. You kept demanding that I do option A or B. I picked C. You didn't like it. Thats ok. You don't have to.

A.) Was to accept your rule about roleplaying a kinder and gentler villain.

B.) Was to quit.

I didn't want to do either so I picked,

C.) Which was inform you up front that I refuse to follow that rule. And I gave you two choices that were D and E.

D.) You could accept it.

E.) You could eject me.

Compared to our PM's regarding the game, those PM's were rather short.

An answer you do not like is still an answer. :yes:

I suggest you make your rules explicit and public before you throw anyone else out of the game. :bow:

_Tristan_

12-29-2007, 17:50

Russia's turn...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Russia.rar

GeneralHankerchief

12-29-2007, 17:56

:no:

Zim

12-29-2007, 18:29

That's nice PK, but I've seen enough other posters get drawn into long, vicious arguements with you to know I'm not interested in one.

Zim

12-29-2007, 19:03

Ok, Ichigo has asked me to sub and left directions. I guess subwise this is the year of the Zim. :clown:

Will have the next save up in a bit.

GeneralHankerchief

12-29-2007, 19:20

Don't bother PMing me when you're done, I'm watching the thread. :yes:

Zim

12-29-2007, 19:41

You're up, GH. :yes:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Moors.zip

gibsonsg91921

12-29-2007, 19:44

Dang GH, I'm Portugal and you're Moors in this game, I'm a Kastilien and you're a Steffen in KOTR, we don't get along well in these PBMs.

Peter is wary.

GeneralHankerchief

12-29-2007, 19:58

Hey. The Moors have nothing against the Portuguese and are just peachy with our current Iberian territories. Any animosity present in this game, you created. :deal:

OverKnight, you're up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Turks.zip

gibsonsg91921

12-29-2007, 20:28

Yeah, I know. But still, we're not too close in these games. Haha

Zim

12-29-2007, 20:44

I can't believe we've almost made it through turn 2 so fast! :2thumbsup:

Most people seem to be pro "stomp"ing agents, and it's not something I can really prevent people from doing. Therefore, I won't make a rule against it. I will limit myself to stomping overzealous Inquisitors, though. :clown:

I think I should note that it's fairly inefficient, and not a good substitute for using assassins, so don't expect to take care of enemy agents solely through that method. :yes:

OverKnight

12-29-2007, 23:22

Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Egypt.zip

RoadKill

12-30-2007, 03:42

I'm back. What did I miss?

Ramses II CP

12-30-2007, 04:10

Denmark is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Denmark.zip

:egypt:

Zim

12-30-2007, 06:54

Scotland and England are at war, there's a new English player, a Jihad has been declared on Antioch, Egypt is selling Rhodes to the Byzantines, and Milan is trying to claim Bern. I may have missed something but that seems to be the bulk of it. A section showing current conflicts and alliances has been added to the first post of the Council thread. You did miss one turn, I'll send details. :yes:

I'm back. What did I miss?

Zim

12-30-2007, 06:58

I almost forgot, we have a new English player, Tran. Welcome to the game. :2thumbsup:

_Tristan_

12-30-2007, 09:19

Welcome, Tran...

I wish you a better fate than the other English player...

I mean in the other Grand Campaign Hotseat...

deguerra

12-30-2007, 09:41

hey tran, good to have you on board. Denmark was on good terms with England and the Holy Roman Empire, and we had an alliance going (north sea alliance, see first page). Obviously, if you want to rethink your strategy that is your choice, but at least from my point, the offer still stands, and a prinecss is on her way to Caen.

in other news, portugal is up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Portugal.rar

gibsonsg91921

12-30-2007, 18:39

I'll go soon, I need to read 30 pages of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn first. Shouldn't take too long if I rush.

gibsonsg91921

12-30-2007, 19:27

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Poland.zip

Done, Poland's turn

FactionHeir

12-30-2007, 20:20

Eh I used to have to do that back in high school. But cliff notes and all those other notes that you find online were quite helpful in acing the exams regardless of me not having read the book :2thumbsup:

gibsonsg91921

12-30-2007, 20:26

Yeah, but I need to read it or it's my @#$ back home. My dad makes sure I do. Plus, I do bad enough on these things actually reading the book, so Cliffnotes is just even worse.

FactionHeir

12-30-2007, 20:33

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Hungary.zip

Well, does he test you each time if you read it or how does he know you did?
I'd suggest reading both in your case. It helps to have something there which explains the significance of things to you. Just make sure that when your teacher asks you that you don't give the same analogy but a similar one (to show that you didn't just read the notes but made some thoughts yourself)

Zim

12-30-2007, 23:59

Did we just get through 16 factions in two days? :dizzy2:

Good luck, Gibson. I had to do a report on the same book back when I was in High School . I've found you can find good resources on books online. Critiques, essays (real ones by professional writers, not the ones from those websites that encourage plagiarism), etc. Sometimes they've helped me if I'm unsure about a book even after reading it. Like FactionHeir mentioned about Cliff Notes, you just have to be careful to use them as an aid to develop your own ideas. :yes:

gibsonsg91921

12-31-2007, 00:59

Yeah, lately I read it and then read the Cliffnotes and uncover totally new plot points that I didn't even realize was happening.

Now, I'm no idiot, and I had a 4.6 weighted freshman year, but I didn't understand a lick of Great Expectations. We had to read ten chapters at a time, which I put off, and I'd super-speed read it to get done on time. When I looked at Cliffnotes there was a whole world of happenings that was going on that I didn't even realize was going on. There was too many characters, too.

Zim

12-31-2007, 01:07

It happens to everyone, I think. :yes: My wife is an Education major (heavy emphasis on literature), and she despises The Great Gatsby and didn't find it meaningful. I've had trouble finding more than teen angst in The Catcher in the Rye. But both books are considered classics and have tons of stuff written about the meaning in them.

I take it your school has Advanced Placement classes weighted on a 5.0 scale? Mine did when I was in High School, too. Pity it was converted to a 4.0 scale when I was applying to college. :no:

Yeah, lately I read it and then read the Cliffnotes and uncover totally new plot points that I didn't even realize was happening.

Now, I'm no idiot, and I had a 4.6 weighted freshman year, but I didn't understand a lick of Great Expectations. We had to read ten chapters at a time, which I put off, and I'd super-speed read it to get done on time. When I looked at Cliffnotes there was a whole world of happenings that was going on that I didn't even realize was going on. There was too many characters, too.

Ramses II CP

12-31-2007, 01:14

Well, I'm probably going to get raked over hot coals for this, but there aren't too many characters in Great Expectations, it's just not a good book. Personally I'm of the camp that Dickens wrote Pip's bitterness into the story as a reflection of his own contempt for humanity at large, leaving the story pervaded with an overwhelming sense of disgust for the entire cast of characters. Once you realize this (Which, of course, is just my perspective) the book becomes nearly unreadable.

The book is so intimate with these people that it simultaneously holds as vile caricatures it's very difficult to become absorbed in the story at all.

I'm no fan of Dickens in general, but I bet you'd enjoy Bleak House more. The difference in the perspective used to tell the story makes it possible to understand the unpleasant characters without any obligation to sympathy, which Pip drags onto the reader in GE.

Twain's Huck Finn is a good book, very funny, you just have to approach it from the proper perspective, a thing which school makes inherently difficult. Try to enjoy it. :)

:egypt:

Ramses II CP

12-31-2007, 01:17

Oh yeah, and I came here to post something about KotR. The Pope has a fleet with a significant army east of Palermo. I daresay he intends to recapture Rome.

I don't think that would be desirable. :laugh4:

:egypt:

FactionHeir

12-31-2007, 01:22

Afaik the pope will never attack a catholic unless that faction is excommunicated or the pope's ally made the pope's army attack that faction (by standing next to it)

Zim

12-31-2007, 01:26

Wait, why did you come here to post about KOTR? I guess a fair number of KOTR players are in this game, too. :clown:

The pope is based entirely in the Middle East now, right (in KOTR)? I wonder if that fleet and army have been there a while, or if he sent troops all the way from Jerusalem.

Ramses II CP

12-31-2007, 01:32

ROTFL by 'here' I meant to the Throne Room. So I got confused, sorry. :laugh4: :oops:

:egypt:

Cheetah

12-31-2007, 15:36

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-England.rar

It is up.

gibsonsg91921

12-31-2007, 16:14

Nice! Turn three!

Privateerkev

12-31-2007, 23:21

That's nice PK, but I've seen enough other posters get drawn into long, vicious arguements with you to know I'm not interested in one.

This is actually quite simple.

Lets look over the past events and try to figure this out.

A couple weeks ago, I went a bit too far in the OOC threads with FH. It got heated, I apologized, and all is well. Do you know how many admonishments Zim gave me for that? zero. Do you know how many times he threatened to eject me? zero. There was hardly a peep said about it.

Now, lets look at the Brittania game. I have had a character yell in the "council" thread in that game as well. And Zim is both supportive and encouraging. He even went so far as to let me know that I can keep doing so in that game even though I was ejected from here. So, I can roleplay as I wish in a game where my faction is allied with Zim's.

Now, in here, my character yells at Zim's character. And he immediately tells me to "tone it down." So, I can yell OOC and I can yell IC if I support Zim. But I can not yell IC at Zim. Riiiiiight....

Then he makes up some bogus thing in here about "receiving reports" about my abusive behavior. Funny though that he only acts on those reports when my character yells at his.

Not only is that "lame", but it is an abuse of GM authority and an egregious example of "metagaming".

So guys, enjoy your game but make sure you tiptoe around Zim...

Zim

12-31-2007, 23:39

I warned both of you (PK and FactionHeir) right in this thread that I'd send a report to a mod if you didn't stop fighting. :inquisitive:

The Britannia game has a different crowd of people, and noone there has said anything. :no: If anyone had, you might have gotten the same request, as I told you.

I have no idea where you've gotten this paranoid idea that I asked you to tone it down a bit because your character yelled at mine. I may have eventually stopped responding IC, because otherwise it would drag on forever, but I wouldn't have ever punished or threatened to punish you over something that stupid. :no:

Remember the argument between Grand Duke Alexander and King Knud in the Teutonic game? It was far more severe than anything from this game. It dragged on too long, but I rather regretted it hadn't made it into an IC thread, and was hoping one of us could use parts for the story thread for the game. I don't have a thin skin, PK.

I'm disappointed in such behavior from someone what, 3, 5 years older than I am? :no: I had hoped that since you'd been offline a couple days you'd have cooled down, but I guess not. Since you've stooped to slandering me, I'm reporting that last post.

Tran

01-01-2008, 04:41

Welcome, Tran...

I wish you a better fate than the other English player...

I mean in the other Grand Campaign Hotseat...
You should say that to the former player of England, because I think (again) he's on the edge of...extinction :beam:

Anyway, France's turn now

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-France.zip

:yes:

econ21

01-01-2008, 05:05

Zim and Privateerkev, please take any further discussion of your dispute to PM or open a Watchtower thread if you must make it public. Any continuation of the back and forth in this or other MC PBM threads will be removed.

Cecil XIX

01-01-2008, 19:11

Well, it's been twenty-four hours. Did RoadKill e-mail Zim about an extension?

Zim

01-01-2008, 19:41

Well, it's been twenty-four hours. Did RoadKill e-mail Zim about an extension?

Not yet. :no:

Since it's still New Year's Morning/early afternoon where Roadkill is, I'm half-inclined to send him a pm and give him a bit more time. However, You're the next player and I don't want to hold you up if it would make it harder for you to take your turn.

What do you think, Cecil? I can sub for him if neccessary, so either way his turn won't be skipped.

RoadKill

01-01-2008, 19:54

Sorry. I'm taking the save. :dizzy2: It was new years and I've been partying for the whole night till 4am. I need my sleep.

Cecil XIX

01-01-2008, 19:56

EDIT: Nevermind.

Zim

01-01-2008, 19:58

I can understand that. :yes: I was really sick yesterday so I stayed up until "only" 2 A.M. :clown:

This makes things easy. Good luck, Roadkill. :2thumbsup:

Sorry. I'm taking the save. :dizzy2: It was new years and I've been partying for the whole night till 4am. I need my sleep.

Zim

01-02-2008, 02:34

Ok, I think Roadkill played the save, then forgot to post the link or notify us in the thread. Probably due to that lack of sleep he mentioned. :clown:

I looked in the filespace and there's a "2GHC-3-HRE.sav " uploaded today, a couple hours after he said he was taking the save.

Don't forget to zip the files, everyone. It's ORG policy.

Good luck, Cecil.

Cecil XIX

01-02-2008, 02:50

I'm sorting my PM box right now, but I'll take my turn immediately afterwards.

Zim

01-02-2008, 02:59

No hurry. I figure if we get through the next few turns just in time for Ignoramus to come back on the 3rd, he'll get a chance to play his turn as Scotland. I don't like to have it subbed without directions, since Scotland is in such a tough position now. :yes:

Ramses II CP

01-02-2008, 03:28

Couldn't agree more. I'd hate to have to take Scotland's next action without knowing why the first turn's odd ones were taken.

:egypt:

Cecil XIX

01-02-2008, 06:04

Spain's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Spain.zip)

Zim

01-02-2008, 06:53

Nice, my wife's a bit under the weather and lying down right now, but she can play right after work tomorrow, and I'll get my save done right after. :yes:

Ignoramus

01-03-2008, 02:19

I'm not very happy that my turn was played by a substitute. It's the New Year week and there's no allowances? What's going on? I told Zim that my second turn was crucial. What's more, I have not received a PM from whoever played my turn of what happened. Why the big rush?

I am not amused.

Zim

01-03-2008, 02:33

I thought you were coming back on the 3rd and your turn came up some 4-5 days before that. Without directions or a designated sub, I asked someone far enough away not to have a stake in the Anglo-Scottish conflict to sub. It was Ramses. He must have forgotten to pm you, I'll make sure he gets back to you.

I'm sorry but I thought that over twice the turn limit would have been a bit too long to wait. I'm still learning to balance the needs of individual players with the collective need to keep the game going. While I figure out the balance between the two I may occasionally mess up and I apologize for that.

England has a new player (Tran), so for what it's worth it's possible the situation has become less dire (depending on his planned diplomatic attitude towards Scotland). :yes:

Ignoramus

01-03-2008, 02:44

It's just that from experience in the original Grand Multiplayer Campaign I know that if Scotland gets mucked up early on, then they're out of it.

Apologies for my over-reaction.

Ramses II CP

01-03-2008, 02:44

Err, I posted right in the diplomacy thread what I did. There were no options, either I left you doing absolutely nothing on turn two or I besieged the English at York. You couldn't reach Inverness without splitting your army, and your spy had discovered a large force of English hiding below York which would've made splitting your army certain death.

I wasn't happy about playing that turn for you either, to be honest, because it was so critical. I'd be happy to hear what else you had in mind to do with your forces, because if you didn't go to war with the clearly belligerant English (Who have changed players since then) you'd end up being a 1 province nation under the threat of having your sole city besieged the very next year.

Good luck. :beam:

:egypt:

Zim

01-03-2008, 02:48

It was my fault. If I had know you were coming today, I'd have just waited (I'd been thinking that players would get double the maximum time, 4 days, over the holidays). :yes:

My wife finished her turn (It's nice that she picked the faction that went right before mine. :beam: To be honest, I thought she'd play Russia). I'll get mine up later tonight, fater dinner.

It's just that from experience in the original Grand Multiplayer Campaign I know that if Scotland gets mucked up early on, then they're out of it.

Apologies for my over-reaction.

Ignoramus

01-03-2008, 02:57

Zim

01-03-2008, 03:52

Sicily is up! :2thumbsup:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Sicily.zip

Ignoramus

01-03-2008, 05:27

Could someone compile a list of all the faction's claims? It would be really useful to know who claims what. Thanks.

Cecil XIX

01-03-2008, 05:36

I'll see what I can do.

Zim

01-03-2008, 06:03

Woohoo! Someone else volunteered to do it. :clown: If you do that, I can put it in the first post of the Council thread. :yes:

I'll see what I can do.

Cecil XIX

01-03-2008, 06:06

I'm actually going to try to make it in the form of a map. Hopefully that won't take too long.

Also, I ask that deguerra please make room in his PM box.

deguerra

01-03-2008, 08:10

whoops :oops:

free now :D

Ignoramus

01-03-2008, 11:18

All these leagues remind me of the first attempted RTW multiplayer campaign of Myrddraal's. It's a shame that there's no league for Scotland to join.

Ferret

01-03-2008, 11:36

I'll be able to play this evening

Ferret

01-03-2008, 17:52

done and uploaded:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Milan.rar

gibsonsg91921

01-03-2008, 17:52

i wanna create a league!

Ferret

01-03-2008, 17:55

Ignoramus: you could create the league of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation :clown: you can invite a fair few people to that.

Gibson: you've started a PBM isn't that enough for you?

Anyway I'd be interested in the League of Mediterranean countries led by Portugal.

gibsonsg91921

01-03-2008, 18:30

Ooo, fabulous. Perhaps I should create one.

Cecil XIX

01-03-2008, 21:26

All right, here's the first draft.

https://img169.imageshack.us/img169/192/territorialclaimsuj1.png

Basically I just filled in a territory with the color of the faction that claimed it. I also changed the borders in Prague, Hamburg, Bologne and Durazzo to reflect that those lands have already been taken.

When I noticed multiple or unresolved claims, I used diagonal lines alternative between claimants. In situations where the disputed province is already controlled, I gave the faction with the homefiled advantage triple-thick lines.

Thus, if you look at Sicily and the Moor's claims in northern africa you see that Sicily has claimed all of it west of Egyptian lands, while the Moors currently hold Marrakesh and Algiers and desire Tunis, which is still rebel.

I left out Metz because I don't know if Roadkill is contesting my claim, and I just assumed the British Isles where a 'winner take all' situation.

If any one has questions, clarifications or corrections please say so. Once all provinces are accounted for I'll make it a little neater. Also, does any one know the faster way to get provinces to change hands via the console? It would be a big help if I could recreate the borders in a normal SP game.

FactionHeir

01-03-2008, 21:29

So is Zaragoza Polish or Portuguese? :grin:

Zim

01-03-2008, 22:46

That is really cool, Cecil. Is there some way I can put it in the first post of the Council thread?

Cecil XIX

01-03-2008, 23:58

Are you asking for my permission (the answer is yes) or technical assistance?

Ramses II CP

01-04-2008, 00:13

Egypt will be in control of Dongola, Jedda, Damascus, and Acre in due course if you want to add those, but since no one would contest those claims it's likely unecessary.

:egypt:

rossahh

01-04-2008, 02:10

Ignoramus, it's your turn.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Scotland.rar

Roadkill, Bern is under seige now.

Zim

01-04-2008, 02:17

Just quoting your post gave me the imagshack info to post it, so just the former. :yes:

Cool, I'll get that and the Treaty of Hamburg up tonight.

Are you asking for my permission (the answer is yes) or technical assistance?

Ignoramus

01-04-2008, 04:36

Tristan's turn.

Roadkill, can you get back to me on that PM? Thanks.

Cecil XIX

01-04-2008, 04:50

Tristan's turn.

Roadkill, can you get back to me on that PM? Thanks.

Dun dun dunnn...

Zim

01-04-2008, 05:15

Hey everyone. I added some things to the first post of the Council thread, which now includes the Anglo-Scottish War, Treaty of Hamburg, Charter of the Italian Coalition, and Cecil's map, along with the explanation re provided here for reading it. :beam:

gibsonsg91921

01-04-2008, 05:37

i have zaragosa right now under my control, and i undisputedly claimed it.

Cheetah

01-04-2008, 07:51

Nice map Cecil. Iasa is claimed by Hungary.

_Tristan_

01-04-2008, 09:03

Will play my turn tonite.

Ferret

01-04-2008, 14:37

... Tunis, which is still rebel...

oh is it? :whip:

GeneralHankerchief

01-04-2008, 22:02

It had better be.

_Tristan_

01-05-2008, 15:46

Here's the new save...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Russia.rar

And Ramses, don't worry about Rhodes my diplomat is following in the wake of the troops...

Ferret

01-05-2008, 15:49

It had better be.

you'll be in for a nice surprise when you get there then, war is inevitable :yes: . And seeing as I have the Italian Coalition behind me and another anonymous faction the odds seem to be in my favour, unless you persuade Ramses to betray me and attack Italy. But if he does then I'm sure the pope wouldn't object to a crusade to Jerusalem. I love being Sicily :clown:

Ramses II CP

01-05-2008, 16:37

I think, realistically, even if Egypt were inclined to involve herself in a war to the west it take about 6 turns to bring any effective force far enough to aid the Moors. That's a long, loooong time in game terms and I don't even have official diplomatic channels with the Moors.

Which is not to commit myself either way, but no matter my choice it's hard to believe Egypt could in any way be decisive in a Moorish-Sicilian conflict.

:egypt:

Zim

01-07-2008, 03:53

Ichigo can't play his turn, but he gave permission for either me or FactionHeir to play his turn. I'm pming FH first to see if he can do it. If not, I will tomorrow. :yes:

Zim

01-07-2008, 14:22

Alright, FactionHeir worried about a conflict of interests, so since I've also been given permission to sub for Ichigo I'll sub his turn.

Zim

01-07-2008, 21:01

Save's up for General Hankerchief.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Moors.zip

GeneralHankerchief

01-08-2008, 00:00

All yours, OK.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Turks.zip

OverKnight

01-08-2008, 03:02

Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Egypt.zip

deguerra

01-08-2008, 04:36

lol. is this the iberians making a "reasonable offer" for Cordoba, so that when it is rejected, they can go to war with just cause?:beam:

GeneralHankerchief

01-08-2008, 04:39

lol. is this the iberians making a "reasonable offer" for Cordoba, so that when it is rejected, they can go to war with just cause?:beam:

No, they can't, because the fact remains that they have been the aggressors for this entire campaign. Christ, gibson even admitted that he was just using the fort as a "massing point."

Ramses II CP

01-08-2008, 04:44

Denmark is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Denmark.zip

:egypt:

deguerra

01-08-2008, 04:44

I feel for your plight OOC, GH, but IC I must be the staunch christian driving the muslim pagans from righfully christian lands. begone, foul fiend!

:clown:

gibsonsg91921

01-08-2008, 23:11

Yeah, the fort was temporary defense while I planned my next move. We'll see what happens next.

deguerra

01-08-2008, 23:16

gah! Damnation I missed Ramses' post yesterday. Sorry folks it will be another 7 hours til I can play (putting me over 24 hr deadline). I was wondering what took Ramses so long...:no: My sincerest apologies. If someone wants to sub, I understand, and theres not much of importance going on atm (that shouldnt be clear from how things are atm), but perhaps they could PM me?

Ramses II CP

01-09-2008, 00:30

I'm sorry, I forgot to PM you deguerra because you were on at the time I posted and had just posted yourself. Somehow I just assumed you saw it.

At least as much my fault as his, sorry folks!

:egypt:

deguerra

01-09-2008, 00:43

Thats ok Ramses. It was the fact that I was online that screwed it up, because I was typing my post as you posted yours, and so I (rather sillily) missed it. Cecil might be subbing for me, will work it out with him in a jiffy.

Cecil XIX

01-09-2008, 06:02

Indeed, I'm taking the save for Denmark now.

Cecil XIX

01-09-2008, 07:12

Portugal's up. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Portugal.zip)

deguerra

01-09-2008, 08:23

lol. as it took a while, I could really have done it myself. but thanks cecil. I trust all went well?

edit: sorry cecil. I had a look at the save and redid it myself. sorry to make you so useless in the end, I really do appreciate the effort, but there was something odd I wanted to do. sorry and thanks again!

edit: Portugal please use this link rather than Cecils above:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Portugal.rar

sorry again folks. trying to make things made them more confusing., life lesson in there :P

edit: ive pmed gibsons91921 also, so he should know

gibsonsg91921

01-10-2008, 00:06

i got the save, here we go!

gibsonsg91921

01-10-2008, 00:21

save uploaded:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Poland.zip

FactionHeir

01-10-2008, 01:18

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Hungary.zip

And I didn't get PMed ~:(

gibsonsg91921

01-10-2008, 01:23

whoops! was i supposed to? I thought it was you, but I wasn't sure and I admit, too lazy to check. You buzz around the forums quite enough to check it at least.

FactionHeir

01-10-2008, 01:26

Still, I feel left out. :clown:

Cheetah

01-10-2008, 15:37

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-England.rar

England is up.

Zim

01-10-2008, 18:12

Nice, another turn done. It's probably a bit late, but I should note that the English player Tran said noone needs to pm him about his turn, he checks the thread regularly.

Otherwise I'd like the next player to be pmed each turn, I admit partially to make me feel less guilty if I have to enforce the turn limit rules. :clown:

FactionHeir

01-10-2008, 18:16

That's what he told me regarding the MPC, but he takes 48+ hours to play his turns without PM and about 16 with PM.

Zim

01-10-2008, 18:27

In that case, feel free to spam up his inbox, Cheetah. :clown:

Cheetah

01-11-2008, 10:01

PMed him yesterday.

Zim

01-12-2008, 04:33

Ok, we're pretty far over the 24 hour limit :sweatdrop: . Is there anyone that would feel comfortable subbing for Tran?

Tran

01-12-2008, 04:45

Was away :beam: You can either wait for me for one more day (no M2TW currently), or I'll let one of my trusted allies to play England, although I prefer the former :bow:

Zim

01-12-2008, 05:16

If you can get it done in the next, say, 18-19 hours, it'd be up by midafternoon where the next player lives. I think that's around when Roadkill tends to play his turns anyway. Otherwise, I'd rather you send instructions to an ally to play the turn. :yes:

I wouldn't be so picky, but with 17 players it's tough to keep things moving! :clown:

Tran

01-12-2008, 05:34

Well, seeing as how those Scottish rebels eager to exterminate our "cultured nation", I want to fight them personally... :beam:

But I'll try to get it done in 18-19 hours as you said.

Csargo

01-12-2008, 06:35

I'm back so I can play my turns from now on.

Zim

01-12-2008, 08:26

Welcome back Ichigo. ~:)

Tran

01-12-2008, 14:28

England's turn is done, and uploaded. France's turn:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-France.zip

_Tristan_

01-12-2008, 20:26

So who subbed for me and what did he do ?

Can I have some update (by PM) ?

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2008, 20:49

-edit- Nevermind, thought this was the Crusades thread.

Zim

01-12-2008, 21:27

I don't think anyone subbed for you. We haven't got around to Byzantium again yet.

It's a perk of a game with so many players. :clown:

So who subbed for me and what did he do ?

Can I have some update (by PM) ?

gibsonsg91921

01-12-2008, 22:31

yeah, that's pretty good for me. i need that kind of flexibility.

_Tristan_

01-13-2008, 09:12

I don't think anyone subbed for you. We haven't got around to Byzantium again yet.

It's a perk of a game with so many players. :clown:

OK, that's fine... I thought it got faster than it did...

Zim

01-14-2008, 14:39

Ironically, we moved much faster over the holidays, even with a few players out of town. :clown:

Ok, I've waited far too long according to the rules. Without any kind of notification, I'll have to have Roadkill's turn subbed. Is anyone comfortable subbing for him? Otherwise I will do it later today.

Ferret

01-14-2008, 17:40

_Tristan_

01-14-2008, 17:57

I think there ought to be stricter rules on subbing. If the same player subs for multiple factions then he will have access their passwords and can view their forces at any time, even if he wasn't any where near them at the time of subing he may be later on and will still be able to see what they see. It would be better if the gamesmaster changed the password before the sub played the turn and then again after it was played or a third party did the subbing.

I think that would be a good idea... Makes a lot of work for the GM, but anyway it is his work... And anyway subbing is the exception, so that should not be too big a bother...

It would also help keeping trust between players... and subbing beats skipping turns...

Zim

01-14-2008, 18:53

Ok then, I guess I'll be subbing Roadkill's turn.

Looking at the MPC hotseat, it appears that there wil either be a moderate amount of subbing or some player's turns will drag on 4-5 days, death for any hotseat with as many players (17) as this one. I'm not comfortable turning on the console every time a turn is subbed, then reuploading the save, expecially as my internet connection is spotty at times. And turning the console on and off so many times would leave the risk of accidently leaving it on once and creating far more opportunities for cheating.

I'd rather players give names of people that can sub for them but other than a few people telling me I can, noone has said anything. :clown:

I already have the passwords, so we could make a rule that I sub any turns for players with no designated subs, but that may mean I end up doing almost all of them.

deguerra

01-14-2008, 22:36

I'd sub Zim, but it would have to be in around 7 hours (work). To be honest, I'm far too forgetfull (and I guess honest) a person to remember peoples passwords. I have enough trouble remembering my own.

RoadKill

01-15-2008, 01:16

I need an extention. My computer with MTW 2 will not be availabe today. So I can only do the turnby tommorow.

Zim

01-15-2008, 02:36

Is everyone ok with Roadkill playing tomorrow? I know France's turn is over the deadline, but now that we know for sure he can play tomorrow it's not quite as big of a deal/ If Cecil gets his turn quickly, I can promise that my wife and I get through ours right away.

I'm suddenly caught between the need to apply the rules as equally as possible and a fear of appearing an ogre. :sweatdrop:

rossahh

01-15-2008, 02:49

I don't mind if Roadkill gets an extension, so long as he doesn't attack me!

Cecil XIX

01-16-2008, 00:50

Well I'm fine with it, thogh I hope Roadkill gets his save up in the next three hours.

RoadKill

01-16-2008, 03:04

Phew done!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-HRE.sav

Zim

01-16-2008, 03:09

Cool, now get to that Wales turn for the Britannia game! :whip:

:clown:

Zim

01-17-2008, 01:51

Hey everyone, while the subbing thing may be solved for this game, I need a sub for the Britannia game, preferably someone not playing it. Could anyone play a turn in that game today?

Zim

01-18-2008, 01:56

Et tu Cecil? :clown:

Ok, we're nearing the 48 hour mark. Either I set a bad example with letting the last two turns go over, or Cecil was just out last night. Either way, I think I may have to actually be responsible and enforce rules again. I know a couple of players who may be able to sub the game long after it would be too late for Cecil to get it tonight (due to time zone differences :yes: ). If he can't play it tonight, I'll ask one of them to. If they or noone else can, then I can sub.

Cecil XIX

01-18-2008, 02:46

Whoops, I guess I got distracted after I finished the turn yesterday and just assumed I had uploaded it. That's what I get for being distracted. :shame:

Oh well, here's the save. (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Spain.zip)

Zim

01-18-2008, 07:08

No problem. I accidently sat on a save for the Crusades game for a day once, even exchanged notes with my ally, and wondered why he didn't play his save (he was enxt in line) since he'd been online so much. :clown:

Mrs. Zim is ready to play her turn, and I'll get mine done right away as well. :beam:

Zim

01-18-2008, 08:17

Mrs. Zim is done, and I've got my save all but done, but I would like to wait a couple hours to see if a pm is replied to first. At worst I'll get it up early in the morning. :yes:

I'm afraid we may be losing a player. Ignoramus has announced that he will soon be sans computer, forcing him to leave KOTR for now since he can't play MTW2. I would assume that also means he can't play this anymore either. :clown:

You'll be missed, Ignoramus. I had a blast playing with you in KOTR during the Cataclysm. :yes:

I'll wait on his final word, but if he can't play I'll try to make sure to find a replacement as fast as possible.

Ignoramus

01-18-2008, 12:07

I should be able to play my next turn, and I *might* be able to get MTW2 to work for campaigns on our family computer, but I'm not that sure if it'll work.

Zim

01-19-2008, 10:15

Ignoramus Cool, tell me how the other computer works out. :yes:

Saves up for EF.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Sicily.zip

Ferret

01-19-2008, 16:21

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Milan.rar

rossahh

01-20-2008, 09:05

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Scotland.rar

deguerra

01-20-2008, 23:23

Just as a heads up guys, I will be gone for about 3 weeks in a week. I am going houseboating from next monday til friday. I will be there for the weekend and am them going to visit family in Germany for 2 weeks. (Yes, I am copy+pasting this paragraph, again)

Turns in this hotseat aren't so quick, so I shouldnt miss more than 1 or 2, I don't think. Does anybody have any good ideas for a sub?

Ignoramus

01-21-2008, 08:34

I'll do my move in the next few hours.

_Tristan_

01-21-2008, 09:12

Does anybody have any good ideas for a sub?

I would suggest you ask Doug-Thompson... If he is able and willing, it would be a good sub...

Zim

01-21-2008, 09:18

I'll second Tristan's suggestion. If he is willing, Doug would be a great sub.

There's another fellow who'd like to get into hotseat games, but he'll be out one week. He might be able to do the Britannia hotseat game, with one of your allies taking over when he's gone.

Whatever works for you. :yes:

deguerra

01-21-2008, 22:49

ok. So I'll ask Doug for this one and newbie (barcamartin) can do Britannia. Shall I also ask Doug about the teutonic one. He is dead there, isn't he? :D

Ignoramus

01-21-2008, 23:23

Save game is up. I did it last night, but forgot to mention it.

_Tristan_

01-24-2008, 09:43

Russia is up...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Russia.rar

Zim

01-25-2008, 03:07

C'mon, isn't anyone even going to notify me that they need more time within the 24 hour limit? :clown:

Pming Ichigo

Csargo

01-25-2008, 22:07

I've been sick since Wednesday, so I'll have my turn done a few hours from now.

Csargo

01-26-2008, 02:33

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Moors.rar

GeneralHankerchief

01-26-2008, 05:24

I'll play my turn sometime tomorrow.

GeneralHankerchief

01-26-2008, 22:34

All done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Turks.zip

OverKnight

01-27-2008, 03:28

Egypt is up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Egypt.zip

Ramses II CP

01-27-2008, 04:29

Denmark's turn! (PM'ing now)

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-2-Denmark.zip

Damascus is taken and my Sultan died (No message for that even, I had no idea).

:egypt:

deguerra

01-27-2008, 05:47

wrong turn number ramses :whip: but I got there eventually.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Portugal.rar

Portugal is up. This will be my last turn for the next three weeks, so please direct all correspondence to Doug-Thompson (that goes for the Teutonic hotseat as well)

gibsosn 91921 has been PMed. cheers guys

Ramses II CP

01-27-2008, 07:41

Err, yer right, it should be 4. So you should've played from this one:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Denmark.zip

And yours should have a 4 in it as well. :laugh4:

The naming scheme is confusing (Well, plus I'm feverish today) because they don't get ranked properly in the list. The year was 1086, I'm hoping that's the one you played.

edit: And that would mean Gibson wants this save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Portugal.rar

:egypt:

Zim

01-27-2008, 07:58

Hmmm, I never really thought much about the naming system, since if someone doesn't put the post I just go into the download page and hit the button to rank them in terms of when they've been downloaded.

If someone has an idea for a naming convention that will put them in proper order we could change it.

deguerra

01-27-2008, 08:30

damn. well the right one IS uploaded...ill pm gibsons again. thanks ramses :laugh4:

Ramses II CP

01-27-2008, 17:21

It would only require a slight adjustment to place them in correct order by adding an ordinal in front of the nation name. For example:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-14Denmark.zip

England would be:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-01England.zip

That being said, given the number of players involved it might get more confusing trying to do a change now than just keeping things the way they are, after all deguerra and I figured it out in the end and we played the correct saves. That's all that really matters.

:egypt:

gibsonsg91921

01-28-2008, 00:17

heres da save!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-4-Poland.zip

Zim

01-29-2008, 00:26

Alright, FactionHeir has given me permission to play his turn, including directions. I'll try to have it up within an hour.

Zim

01-29-2008, 02:59

Save's up for Cheetah.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/2GHC-4-Hungary.zip

Cheetah

01-29-2008, 06:08

I will do it today.

Zim

01-30-2008, 03:43

Bump.

Zim

01-31-2008, 10:31

Hmmm...it's been over two days. I guess I'll have to see about getting a sub tomorrow. :no:

Tran

01-31-2008, 11:32

I will do it today.
I wonder what "today" means for cheetah :stupido2:

_Tristan_

01-31-2008, 11:34

He is usually active and plays his turn in time... Something must be wrong...

Maybe his internet is down...

Zim

01-31-2008, 13:45

If I recall correctly Cheetah does not have access to a computer he can upload on all the time. In the Britannia game, this sometimes means we have to wait a while on him to play his turn (I think we're at 6 days for the last turn right now). I'm not sure what to do. It's unfair to the players who do finish on time if I wait too long for him, and I've possibly been too lenient most of this turn.

I'll pm him and give him until tonight (it's early morning where I am) to answer. He has been online in the past day. If it's a gaming computer problem maybe he can send instructions to an ally to play, like you or FactionHeir. :yes:

He is usually active and plays his turn in time... Something must be wrong...

Maybe his internet is down...