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Originally Posted by Zack
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Originally Posted by Zack
Are you? Why does this matter in regards to suspecting him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
:00 legal vote, :01 not counted
Jabbz cfd anyone?
It doesn't. You're the one who wants to talk about it. I said "he's not a PR" as an additional note on why there's really no reason to be wary of lynching him.... He's scummy and he's not a pr.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Hi.
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
No info will stay
Stop posting
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo, SeveringViper, Montmorency)
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack, novice, Jabbz)
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto, GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (BSmith)
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
Manasi didn't vote
Tiebreaker Coin Spin coming...
Viridian Forest
The trainer managed to reach Viridian Forest, the last stop before Pewter City.
The bug catchers were no big deal, but then, something amazing happened. The trainer actually saw...
It was time to catch one. The electric mouse pokemon was a rare find inside Viridian Forest. So the trainer sent out one of their best pokemon to weaken it.
Hmmm...
Which one's the best?
Looks like you have two pretty good ones. Better flip a coin....
Wait, do we have coins in this universe? Don't we just have PokeDollars?
I know! You can just toss out both pokemon and whichever one lands first, will be the one that pops out! Since it's not a double-battle!
So, two pokemon were thrown out, but only one emerged.
Peeee.......kaaaaa......
PEEEEEEE......KAAAAAAAA
PIKACHU!!!!
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Once again...
A pokemon has fainted.
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Autolycus has fainted!
He was...
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Begin Night Three.
Do not post!
I'm expecting for someone not to tunnel someone mostly unable to respond because it provides very little information. You're also ignoring the inconsistencies with his arguments, which are plentiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
As to the other part, yes you're right it's a bad reason to vote for monty, but when you combine that with my dislike of his behavior, and the fact that it's a three way tie between myself, someone who isn't here, and someone that looks fishy as hell, yes it's a good reason to vote.
Just means that at least I'm consistent with my reasoning, and don't just go in for omgus.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Don't post at night.
I will leave these posts for visibility, but stop posting or you will be modkilled.
Orders closed for the night. Writeup incoming, don't post yet.
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Pewter City.
Gym Battle with Gym Leader Brock.
Oh good. Well, at least you're doing this run with a Squirtle. I mean, how silly would you be to have entered into this particular gym without a fully rested and healed Squirtle? You can practically one-shot all of this guy's Pokemon with...
....
You're kidding.
How could you have wandered in here without healing at the PokeCenter?
What do you mean your Squirtle doesn't have any water moves left with PP remaining?
What were you using water moves against in Viridian forest?
.....
You were scared you'd lose more pokemon? Good job. You survived Viridian forest, only now you're going to get killed here.
I can't believe you somehow had a Diglett before Brock and managed to make it die as well.
Man, if you had even took care of your Bulbasaur it would have been an easy match. It's not like these rock types are going to do good damage against it.
Ok so what else did you find?
Huh. A Meowth, eh?
I mean, you pretty much don't know how to play this game. The Meowth doesn't even have a bonus against rock or ground types, and in fact, all the normal moves you can use against these rock types are worthless. They do really reduced damage, and the rock types have high defense.
You're doomed.
Well, Brock is going to send out.... yep, it's Onix. You'd better switch to something more sturdy, or at least has a special attack....
Oh, wonderful. He's got you in a Bind. Lovely.
That means you can't even switch out. Got any more bright ideas?
I swear, you'll never even finish this run.
Meowth used Screech!Okay, that's not a bad idea in this situation. Still, it's gonna destroy you.
Onix's defense greatly fell!
Meowth used Screech!
Onix's defense greatly fell!
Onix used rock throw!
It missed!
Huh. Well, you'd better start hitting it, if it hits you with rock throw you're pretty boned.
Not bad. You're still a million light years from defeating Brock, though.
Meowth used Bite!
Onix flinched!
Meowth used Bite!
Onix flinched!
Meowth used Bite!
Onix flinched!
Meowth used Bite!
Onix flinched!
Meowth used Bite!
Onix flinched!
Oh my god, this is amazing! Go, go little Meowth! I can't believe it! If you could just critical hit this thing, it will actually die!
Critical hit....
A pokemon has fainted!
Bsmith has fainted!
He was...
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Begin Day Four
You may post!
So much for the lurker theory.
I suppose I should have lynched Jabbz yesterday - a player could terrorize scum with auto's abilities - but given the post-phase derp he's probably town too.
Novice was smart to suggest that scum were tiptoeing around the
Targets still painted firmly on GH and Barto. Who else could it be? Champ for projecting that aura of confusion before disappearing again?
Keep in mind that in a Pizza game with mass roles, 17 players and one flipped 3P survivor, we must be facing down 3 scum.
GH and Barto could easily be partners, so that's where we should be lynching. We only have a few lynches free - Final7 is LYLO - so it will hurt us to miss today's lynch, to lose a future buffer.
WTL
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Viper
Zack
Novice
Manasi
Jabbz
Csargo
Logic
Champ
Barto
GH
Meh.
Posting right away to mention that I used up my block on Monty because I have no idea what I'm doing and still don't.
If anyone wants to lynch me after last day's results, go ahead, I understand, but it's a mistake. I acted on my intuition and judgement telling me that Auto was the better vote, believe it or not, and I intend to continue like that. I trust Csargo the most and probably will sheep him unless I have any idea what else I might do. That is all.
That sounds discouraging. Why do you trust Csargo above all the others?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
He's my strongest town read since he's been making good points without anything that makes me unsure/suspicious of him, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Did you think Monty was likely to go night killing?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Around the what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Well, he's posting something like twice as often as active Csargo does. It could be part of this year's overall trend for him to post more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Novice: wagons
Did I have any better ideas?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I don't know. What was the idea behind blocking Monty?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
I think auto was a fine vote, btw.
How was I ignoring them, by voting for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
Forgive me Viper, but I'll list the most uncharitable interpretation:Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Viper puts on a helpless display after showing forcefulness and determination in the first half of the game thus far. He claims a block against someone else who has claimed to have no abilities left, so the claim has no worst-case, which for himself leaves an apparent vanilla townie who arguably won't be targeted by mafia in favor of hitting potential PR townies.
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Originally Posted by SeveringViper
To continue this thread, I find it strange that you didn't know what Monty's claimed role was, given that you counterclaimed it, Viper. What gives?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
The last sentence is hard to parse. You mean he's dodging a future "why are you still alive" line of questioning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
*which for his own part makes him out to be a vanilla townie of low priority for mafia kills.
Has anyone else been poisoned?
Also
Vote: Logic
See my previous answer, and that he had claimed to have no uses of his role left, so it at worst was a null action?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Nothing you need be forgiven over, considering all possibilities is how you play this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
As for why I claimed the action, I wanted it known that I had used up my power so town knew it was no longer available, which outweighed the slight possibility I might be targeted after D3.
....Are you serious? You should be able to tell me why this is a stupid question yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Very well, I still do not see why I should not vote: Jabbz again.
May I ask you to clarify on this, old chum?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Why Logic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ
Why me?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Specifics please from both, if that isn't too much to ask.
The reasoning is simple,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
LemonJabbz. I accused you yesterday and voted you for something, yet you refused to challenge my accusation. Even today, you completely ignore it. This is suspect behaviour.
This is a first for me, pretty exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
auto was a bad call yesterday rip, should of voted elsewhere. feelsbadman.
I second this statement. Have no idea what GH is referring to...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I ignore what you said today about me? I answered literally the only thing you said about me. Further, being unwilling to explain your argument against me makes it seem like a fairly weak argument. I'll do the work though and go back and take a look. I'll be honest, I'm not expecting to find much of note.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I can lurk more if you want, but that's less fun. Also, surveillance not cool man. Stop tracking my habits Monty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Hey guys, I'm back to full access. Pretty tired from traveling so don't expect much of me tonight but I'll fully launch into things tomorrow. Just wanted to quickly clarify something:
It was shortened for the fact that I didn't have enough information to make a decision between auto and Monty (still haven't read most of the posts made on Saturday) to feel confident in being the tiebreaker and thus decided to stay on Jabbz at EOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
What was the rest of that thought Monty? What is WTL?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Why are you suspicious of Barto?
Ok. So it starts here as best as I can tell.
I say
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Originally Posted by Jabbz
You say
I addressed your vote with this comment. Something you evidently chose to ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
You then asked about a list of policy lynch candidates Novice posted in 859, which included myself, Champ, Autolycus and Bsmith.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
Novice them responds in the next post by saying he didn't like me anymore as a policy lynch, because of an ISO he did.
Again in the very next post, you promise an ISO, but say your vote stays on me regardless.
Mind you this is three posts in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
You never do report on that ISO you claimed you were going to do.
The last thing you post about regarding me is this.
Evidently you find that questionable for me, enough so to vote, but you don't explain why, and you ignore the context that led to those votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
That is the entirety of your "case" against me. You said I failed to respond, yet I did so. To me it looks like you're either being very lazy, or you are scummy and looking for low hanging fruit. Care to share which it is?
I suppose that you mean this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
So, what was it that made you suddenly see the light, as you appear to imply?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Oh, so you meant that you had not sufficient information and that therefore your vote would stay where it was. Am I correct? (it is me we're talking about so there's an almost overwhelming probability that I am, but still, anyway…) So why did you vote for Jabbz,Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
JennaGeneral?
As for the first question, I hope that he will be able to answer that satisfactorily himself. But as for the second one, I think I had better repeat my earlier remarks to the effect that his behaviour is pathologically cunicular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
What?
Oh, willing to lynch?
It was kind of hard not to notice, and confirming it takes 5 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
But if it makes you feel better, I'll keep my reads on you static and promise not to be affected by any of your posts henceforth in this game.
If I decide to lynch you, it will be for no reason rather than for your content. :yes:
wagons, as I said in the post above that you responded to. Want to lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Poison.
If El Barto is looking for an easy case, why hasn't he gone after me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jabbz
Could it be that he and GH want to keep their distance from me so as not to be overly stained by my eventual flip?
UUJ@! "_ :UUU :O
Monty is still a wolf. Not a fan of the auto wagon, I didn't care for it at the time, didn't understand why Csargo was so insistent on it.
Viper being aggressive (but in a fairly shallow way as Jabbz noted earlier) then falling off a cliff, and going into "oh man idk" mode is like, classic Zack in Aspiring Rappers type wolfing. Forgetting the counterclaim is bizarre, as novice pointed out. Csargo is a weird place to be putting all your trust right now, too.
Some pause about the GH has treated Monty. He townread him for awhile for nebulous reasons, a pretty unusual reaction to someone blatantly tunneling you for silly reasons. Yesterday he finally seemed to be turning on Monty, then he didn't even care who was lynched between Monty and Auto (whose case he called "kinda weak").
Almost felt like he was fully aware of the backlash from his last deciding vote and didn't want to repeat.
:smug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
I put a vote on auto for a valid reason. You can disagree with my reasoning all you want, but I thought it was good in the moment. I disagree with your read on Monty, and I don't think he's a good lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I agree about SV.
Is GH my partner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Language warning for Logic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
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I disagree about SV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Et tu? Do you not see how terrible that case is?
Why do you disagree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
I don't answer leading questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Is aggressive early, passive recently an inaccurate portrayal? You were barely present last day phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Zack
It's a direct question. If I am necessarily scum, then you can't countenance a scummy GH unless we are partners.
Whatever, I meant loaded. Clearly when I say you're a wolf, I'm omitting the implied I believe...likely, not stating a fact I'm 100% certain of. I'm not saying he's scummy, I'm saying there's stuff that gives me pause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
You are not above bussing a partner all game, and GH has been kinda weird with you.
OK. But IIRC GH doesn't like bussing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
And it would be kind of sad for me to go into every scum game hard bussing.
That I'm a weird place to put your trust. I don't understand why you'd sheep me, and your activity is all out of whack.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Your strong resistance to the faintest whiff of the notion is noted. :juggle:
Because I don't think it makes sense for him to tunnel GH for the entire game, almost getting lynched multiple times in the process, only to continue to pursue GH. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It's more likely he's town, genuinely convinced that GH is scum, I think that makes more sense. It may not be the greatest logic, but I think that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Alright, so let's say that's the one good point in your case. Does that make me scum? Has that line of thought worked out yet this game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Is simply trusting you more than others really so strange at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
was to montyQuote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
What do you mean the "one good thing"? That's the meat of it... Obviously I do think it makes you suspicious, it's wolfy behavior. Your last question is nonsensical.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
I do not have conspiratorial relations with that general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O52jAYa4Pm8
I've had a busy day at work so I haven't thought about this game, but I guess everyone's been sleeping anyway.
Viper, there's no need to get upset at my questioning. I don't see the downside in questioning you for explanations rather than making my own assumptions, and I thought you subscribed to the same philosophy given your day one comments.
I question everything at this point. Why do I deserve to be trusted over others?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
It's not about questioning, but how bad that question is. Or are you going to say throwing out blatantly ill-formed questions is investigation?Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Okay, good. Because others have given me reason to be unsure of them at best?Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
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Originally Posted by Champ
Is everyone else actually afraid of placing votes? Champ opens up with a vote on me almost an hour and a half after the day opens, and then El Barto places only the second vote of the day only about 20 minutes later. And from then, no one has placed a vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Since I may not be online but once more today, I'll give my perceptions of everyone.
- I still think Champ is the most likely wolf. I will Vote: Champ until someone more wolfy comes along.
- My opinion of GH has softened a bit. I'm only giving him a soft wolf lean.
- Csargo sounds like his play-style is similar to mine. Hard to read. Giving him a soft village lean for now.
- Manasi seems a good villager
- El Barto is a null. Poisoning Manasi was weird, and then alluding to it without outright saying it could have gone better. But otherwise, he looks more town than wolf.
- I'm going to echo what others have already said about SeveringViper: lots of posts on D1, and rather quiet afterwards. I'm used to seeing the opposite from wolves, but I don't know if that is true around here.
- Zack subbed in for Choxorn, who I never really saw as a wolf in the first place. And Zack feels very town.
- Novice I keep seeing his posts and mentally attributing them to SeveringViper on first glance. Going to have to call him a slight wolf lean.
- Jabbz for some reason has been defending me more often than others. I could be misremembering, but I think he has had more positive things to say about me than anyone else thus far.
- Like GH, I keep going back and forth about Monty. I can't tell if he is walking a tightrope as a wolf, or a villager trying to look like a wolf, or I am just really bad at reading him.
Catching up on the stuff I missed from D3, here's a couple of quick hits:
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My Jabbz case was one of him monitoring the thread (as evidenced by his thanking the one post by Zack I think?) but him not actually saying anything, meaning that he was fine coasting with a (what appeared at the time to be) lopsided lynch of a known townie (myself). His defense of having RL obligations that weekend doesn't really do much for me and it's a case of deflection since it doesn't address the core issue of there being evidence of him being present but not active.
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The difference between my EOD behavior for D2 and D3 was that in D2, I had fully caught up to the thread with like 2 minutes ago and made a snap decision. In D3 I had only read about the most recent page and had missed quite a bit of time's worth of material, which is why I was more cautious with the vote.
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D4 business, my most pressing concerns:
It appears that Monty is still continually refusing to view anyone aside from Barto and myself through the "possible scum" lens. This is bad in and of itself, but I want something more concrete from you: You've been arguing with Zack fairly consistently ever since he entered the game but have not, from what I've read, actually given a concrete read on him. So: what is your read on Zack, and why is it what it is? Surely you've had enough interactions with him at this point to form an opinion on him.
Logic, some of your conclusions in 1113 are awkward. The Jabbz thing especially. Do you consider his defense of you to be townie or scummy? If it's neither, what's your actual read on him and why is it that way? Why has your opinion of me softened?
Day one Tally as of post 436:
Lynch votes
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo, GeneralHankerchief, novice, Cuthillius, Choxorn, Raith Kemmler)
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus, BSmith, Logic, SeveringViper)
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi, seireikhaan, Jabbz)
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto, Sooh)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency)
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Day two Tally as of post 724:
Lynch votes
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi, GeneralHankerchief)
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo, novice, El Barto, SeveringViper)
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus)
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith)
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Day three Tally as of post 1048:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo, SeveringViper, Montmorency)
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack, novice, Jabbz)
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto, GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (BSmith)
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
https://i.imgur.com/Fwz704D.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by novice
People keep finding new ways to dodge my vote counter, such as sticking the vote in a bullet list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logic
I have 20% of the players as scum and am willing to lynch one other (Champ). I feel that I'm doing as well as anyone could hope. GH-Barto-Champ is a viable team and there is no reason for me not to push it for the sake of satisfying someone's demands for 'equal treatment' or 'investigating all avenues' (especially if those making the demands happen to be my suspects).Quote:
Originally Posted by GH
My Choxorn read was light town, and it's continued with Zack. Obviously the way he dug into me yesterday, he can do as either alignment, so that hasn't budged my read. If he continues to coast, I may take a harder line. If we lynch at least one scum and he gets mad at "tinfoilers", then we've probably caught him. :clown:
Do you mean that to be unreadable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack