Doesn't matter, dude. ATPG said you said you're guilty and that's good enough for everyone here, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
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Doesn't matter, dude. ATPG said you said you're guilty and that's good enough for everyone here, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
Vote: Jolt
Hmm, it's possible that Jolt told pizza that so that he could claim in the thread that pizza was lying. I don't think he would confess that if he was really going all out anti-town (it's moot anyway). And that's not really any more lynch worthy than claiming you should be lynched to get yourself promoted to officer...
There isn't any point in lynching townies who want to become mafia. It's not something you can choose. You're basically just lynching a townie...
Good point Sasaki, but trusting a proven (by investigation) townie, over one whom has stated that he wants to become mafia, and refuses to do protections, is better in my book. Unless anyone has a better lynch suspect in mind, with more proof, my vote stands. Although I will admit, none of the lynch possibilities have been without some question. We have no REAL proof of a mafia this round.
It's not logical though. A proven townie you can perhaps trust not to lie, but that in no way means that who he says should be lynched should actually be lynched. In this case, he's saying "lynch this guy, he's a townie. The only evidence against jolt also includes him being a townie.
So shlin is more likely to be mafia than jolt :yes:
What is the evidence on Shlin, why do you think he is mafia?
Ahoy!
I'm sorry that due to events that were very briefly in my control and are now far beyond it, I had to skim read today. But discussion is good, so keep that up. I'll be able to read and communicate more soon, though. First thing will be communications with my officers and various roles who've contacted me.
Also, to those who requested avatars, I must contritely say I can't fulfill the orders until Monday.
Thanks,
CR
I trust pizzaguy! As for the people who just lurk, they're probably going to end up as targets for night actions sooner or later. :skull:
Vote: Jolt
So, Jolt, should I post our conversation then? I am not sure why you would say this was all lies. :shrug:
Look even if you were a townie, you're not playing as such. You're intentionally trying to sabotage the ship and you voted for a trustworthy officer. It doesn't MATTER if you've been recruited yet or not. The simple fact remains you are plotting our destruction. Confessing such doesn't help your case for being innocent.
I read the rules and I didn't see a rule against posting chatlogs, which is basically the same as posting PMs from other players. So here it is.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I really hate MSN chatlogs. Too much useless info.
You seriously started a bandwagon based on that? :no:
"I'm a townie, but I'm bored and hope I get recruited by the mafia. I won't participate in prot groups but I will in vig groups"
I would say Jolt is much less likely to be mafia on the basis of that.
Lynch mafia, not townies :whip:
lol, i do not think i am scum. don't trust me sure.
Oh and i am not trying to suck up to sasaki, i am not really worried about him to be honest.
jolt why would a townie try to lynch a townie?
Please explain. WE KNOW ATPG is pro town
yes but sasaki why would atpg lie?
sorry for double post by the way
Despite his best efforts, the Cult of PizzaGuy seems to be around in this game as well. You guys do realize that Jolt is a townie and has no control over whether or not he is recruited, right?
Sorry, I could just say "sasaki is guilty, my gut told me". I dunno, I'd rather lynch someone who wants the town to lose. Call me crazy.Quote:
You seriously started a bandwagon based on that?
He does state he's presently a townie. He also states that he wants to be recruited, and he's voting for someone we know to be innocent. Sorry, I just don't see a helpful "townie" here, I see a person who wants to betray us like someone in Capo. He is townie in name only.
aye he may not have any control but now he painted a big target on his head saying, PICK ME, PICK ME
So do we have someone we know is mafia? Or do we want to chance it and possibly randomly hit someone important to the town, as opposed to a townie who wants town to lose.
By all means, point at a known mafioso and make him walk the plank. I'm open to suggestion. What's really pointless is sudden random bandwagons based on "my gut" and nothing else.
At least with a random lynch, you have a chance of hitting mafia. You're basically lynching Jolt because you think he might possibly be a threat at some random point in the future. You've stated yourself that you believe he's a townie, he's not going to purposely sabotage his own side in the hopes of getting recruited.
I also have to disagree with that, in Capo I sabotaged most of the pro-town network to the communists just to get an invite.
I don't necessarially think he should be lynched, but we certainly shouldn't give him any information at this point.
ARGH! I go away for a few hours and when I come back there are 5 new pages! :dizzy2: :no:
ATPG is essentially trying to get us to waste a lynch on Jolt. This is bad play. Jolt has no say over whether he is recruited, just like the rest of us. He might even be unrecruitable, for all we know. If we lynch Jolt, it's a guaranteed waste of a round. Lynching ANYONE else who doesn't have evidence that strong about their role would be a far better move. A slim chance of lynching a mafioso is better than no chance of lynching a mafioso.
This is a stupid move that results from people blindly bandwagoning. I agree there are likely mafioso hiding in ATPG's fanclub, simply because it's absurdly easy. I recommend we turn our attention to them. Let's see here...
Unvote; Vote: Diana Abnoba
One of these days, you're bound to get a role that isn't friendly to his. Perhaps today is the day...
:laugh4:
So, taking notes...
In the future, when I come across someone who is working to ensure the town loses, I'll just sit on that info and not mention it. Good to know. I apologize for disrupting normal townie activity. Carry on.
No, he's having fun. You talked a whole bunch a couple pages back about how you just wanted to have fun. That's what Andres said too, and me as well. But you have to be honest about it ok. It's clear that you can't stand townies who are "unhelpful", capo made that abundantly clear. You going after them is the same as me vigging someone for starting a lame townie group. But I don't try and pretend like that's the best strategy, in fact obviously if you want to win the game it's an absolutely terrible strategy. We should form massive group around a confirmed, unconvertable innocent, have every townie fall into lock step and obey orders etc etc, and win in a couple days. Except that wouldn't be fun.
So don't pretend like it's good strategy to lynch Jolt, it's a terrible strategy. In a game where you can't join the mafia by choice, and probably can't and won't be converted, you don't lynch a probably townie for being unhelpful if you want the greatest chance at winning.
I mean, you joked around for a whole round and then pulled a bunch of drama, how is that helpful townie? I don't care, just see the log in your own eye huh?
Although I do hope you actually enjoy lynching the unhelpful people, sometimes I get the impression it just stresses you out. I can't imagine not simply enjoying capo :sweatdrop:
[Language please - GH]
Not all games have the same setup, ATPG. Jolt's statements would make him a good lynch in Capo, but this game has different rules. Here, his desires to join the mafia are irrelevant. By himself, he can't kill anyone and he can't lynch anyone. Just like twilightblade in Capo, he's no threat, even though he's not helping us.
Jolt is a silly lynch... I completely agree with sasaki's reasoning we may as well go for a possible mafia rather than a 'bad' townie... although I think he's wrong on the whole Andres thing...
I did like the lynching ATPG idea though... what happened to that... can we reconsider ?
Jolt at least seems up for it...
Edit: It would also be nice if the people that killed me could stop seeming so innocent and making good comments... its makes it harder to call for your death
Ohh, just to note I died the very first night of this game because I wanted some fun! (that was part of the reason at least)
Very well, I think it's a bad idea to randomly lynch someone who might be helpful, versus someone who is definitely not helpful. Others disagree. And the world keeps on spinning.
Are you saying the choice is between lynching Jolt or lynching someone who has been actively helping out in the groups every night ?
Well, iv been thoroughly confused for the night...
Basically its this, we either lynch a person who wants the town to lose, or we lynch a random person who doesnt deserve to die yet.
We lynch Jolt
Where did Jolt say he wants the town to lose? I didn't notice that in the chatlog. Some people, myself included, find playing as mafia more fun. It doesn't mean they're going to purposely sabotage their own side. :no:
vote: Jolt
That's not willingly sabotaging a side, it's just a apathy at being a townie :/Quote:
but then if you don't kill me, I won't do anything useful
Besides willingly participate in vig groups someone wishes for volunteers
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, a second ago you were arguing against ATPG's bandwagon, no?
Interesting group of folks anti Jolt lynch. Nice flush, ATPG.
When have I not been against this bandwagon? I've been arguing against it for a few hours because I disagree with it and I'm bored.
Sorry, I took this:
To mean you agreed Jolt should be killed, or were you merely stating that he will die on his own because of the apathy?Quote:
Apathy = Death
EDIT
OH I see what you did there, you're quite a tricky man.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
It's a reference. Five gold to anyone who came name what it's from.
So... Many... Pages...
I already done me votin didn't I? Good.
Who's I be voting for? Ahhhhhh?...
Where'd I put that rum?
Voting closed.
I go out and do work for a customer for four hours, and I miss voting by 15 minutes.
Gah.
Day 4
As the Presence sailed on, cutting its way through the calm waters of the North Atlantic, clouds started to form overhead. Soon, the waters would no longer be calm. Every sailor aboard the ship saw what was coming, and knew it wouldn't be pretty. The anticipation of the coming storm probably added to the overall testiness that defined the day's vote. Three days now of attacks, both physical and personal, did not make for a happy crew. Captain Crazed Rabbit's absence for most of the day did not do the crew any favors, either.
Finally, though, he emerged from his cabin, pronouncing the vote over, and telling the crew that he had another announcement to make.
"Lads," he said, "I be replacin' yer Quartermaster again. Thank you for yer service, Seamus Fermanagh, but right now I deem it best to be havin' Askthepizzaguy in this here position at this particular time."
Seamus eyed Rabbit incredulously as he stepped away, rejoining the crew. "I hope the next step isn't to pronounce me a Maven and have me thrown overboard?" he asked, half-joking.
"That remains to be seen," Rabbit replied in the same manner. "But seriously though Seamus, thank you for yer service. Should another vacancy open up, I'll be keepin' ye in mind. Now lads," he said, addressing the entire crew. "Who be the target o' our disapproval tonight?" A score of fingers immediately pointed at Jolt, who started loudly protesting at this.
"Quiet, boy," Rabbit hissed. "Yer fate has already been sealed, traitor. If ye don't want any further humiliation by the crew, then I suggest you die like a man, even if ye not be livin' like one."
"But-" Jolt said, and then finally closed his mouth, looking murderously at everyone who had pointed at him.
"That's a good lad," Rabbit said in a neutral tone of voice, leading Jolt and the rest of the crew to the plank. "Here be yer effects," he said, handing them to Jolt. "My ye find solace, be it in this life or the next."
"May I find solace through the night, never mind for eternity," Jolt muttered, eying the clouds up ahead.
"Aye, that ye may," said the Captain. And without further warning, he booted a surprised Jolt into the water, much to the chuckles of the crew. Several pistols were pointed at him, but Rabbit waved them off.
"Nay, lads, save yer bullets. And yer time, as well! There's a storm coming! Batten down the hatches! Secure the loose articles! I want this ship to be pissin' in Mother Nature's face tonight, and that also means nothin' rattlin' around! Well? What're ye waitin' for? GET TO WORK, YE SORRY SACKS OF SEAGULL DROPPINGS!" He continued amiably cursing at the crew, which sped off to work, leaving new discipline officer Askthepizzaguy to awkwardly yell shouts of agreement at Rabbit's orders.
Day 4 tally:
Jolt: 12 (Louis, ATPG, Goat, Subotan, Joooray, Yaro, Centurion, scottish, CA, Diana, ricera, Kukri) :skull:
Drizzt: 3 (pever, Drizzt, shlin)
ATPG: 3 (Andres, Split, Jolt)
Reenk: 2 (Beskar, Psychonaut)
Single votes: Andres (miotas), Yaro (Reenk), Diana (TinCow), shlin (Sasaki), ACIN (Chaotix), slash (Seamus), Seamus (slash)
Abstained: 5 (CR, A1, DiY, White_eyes, taka)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It is now Night 4. The round will end at 00:01, Friday, October 9th US Eastern. That is precisely 24 hours from now.
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Attacked: Centurion1 (n1), LittleGrizzly (n1), taka (n2), Andres (n3)
Murdered: LittleGrizzly (n1), atheotes (n2), gibsonsg91921 (n2), Tratorix (n3), Iskander 3.1 (n3), Beefy187 (n3)
Lynched: woad&fangs (d2), Sigurd (d3), Jolt (d4)
Removed from play: Xehh II, johnhughthom, YLC
Souls aboard (39):
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
A1 Unit
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Chaotix
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Death is Yonder
Diana Abnoba
DisgruntledGoat
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
KukriKhan
Lord Winter
Louis VI the Fat
miotas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
ricera10
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
slashandburn
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
SSNeoperestroika
Subotan
taka
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Well, now that the villainous, uncooperative Jolt has been dealt with perhaps we can focus on people who are, y'know, actually guilty.
My Physics class has been taking much of my time this school year. Also on Wednesdays I have two clubs I am in taking up much of my time after school, which is why I am posting so late.
This leads into my:
Warning to GH, since i am busy on Wednesdays so much with my physics and various clubs I will probably miss more then a few votes on this day of the week and not post until late in the night for me, too late to meet the deadline most of the time. Just telling you now, I don't have the time I did with Capo.
And I just want the org to know, if anybody wants me to troll more all you have to do is ask.
Lack of time seems to be a common problem, so no worries. :yes:
I'm only keeping this phase short because any longer and I'd probably have to really drag it out because of my sleep schedule. If I do that, I prefer to do it when there's a voting phase.
Touché :laugh4:
Anyway,
So, basically Jolt was lynched, because he would like to be recruited by the mafia?
That sounds like a silly reason to me. It's not like townies can chose to go mafia in this game. They get recruited or they don't. For all we (and that includes Jolt) know, he may even be one of those townies who are not recruitable.
Why didn't we make him an officer, like we did with the previous townie who "might get recruited by the mafia"?
Hey, you know what: I'm a townie and it's possible that I could be recruited. Maybe make me an officer? Or lynch me?
Why was ATPG made officer and did Jolt get lynched?
I'm confused.
...What??? Why? Or better yet, really? I seriously have no idea why you took the work to do that, but I can assure to everyone that I did NOT write ANY of that. This was just all too weird.
EDIT: At 8/9 PM, I had dinner and left with some friends to go to Bairro Alto, how the heck could I have been here to write any of that??? Its irrelevant, in any case.
I'll be up all night on deck. Anyone want to play knucklebones?
Pizza has been declared fully investigated and cleared. Why on Earth would he lie Jolt. I think you need to come up with a better defense than "Pizza is lying for some reason."
EDIT: Missed the fact that the day has already ended. Jolt, why bother continuing to claim Pizza is lying?
Aww.. too bad I was asleep, and away following that, if not I could have easily told you the answer :laugh4:
This seems to sum up my opinion of the current day phase...
Back to hitting the books :book:
:wall:
Edit: We'll know in 3 days :bow:Quote:
EDIT: Missed the fact that the day has already ended. Jolt, why bother continuing to claim Pizza is lying?
And you're in Portugal, yes... so when you were voting in the top quoted post, it was 5:27PM my time, as reflected in the quoted conversation. Not to mention the fact that you were here to, you know, vote, precisely 3 minutes before I voted for you. So everything you're saying is a lie. Which, if you're a townie, means you want to confuse and spread misinformation even in death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
Have a balloon. :balloon2:
Because:
Pizza has been protecting crew, and Jolt has been killing them.
Pizza spoke the truth, Jolt lied about the MSN chat.
Jolt has been on a killing expedition at least twice. Against players he knew to be town. He also lied about chat logs / PM's. (Which, incidentally, our silly hypocrites Sasaki, Andres and Jolt seem to have forgot was the very reason they themselves vig killed innocent Grizzly)
How is that not a good lynch? Players need to protect themselves against their killers. Of any kind. Be they English, maven, or townies who publicly announce they will kill townies just for the fun of it.
> Jolt has at least twice been involved in vig killing innocents. There is a silly hypocrisy in Jolt's mates protesting his lynch as 'unnecessary killing of a town player'.
Half the people who protested, have been involved in killing innocents together with Jolt.
> Sasaki, you are mistaken about this game's mechanics. This game is exceedingly difficult for the town:
Investigations take a whopping three days. This game will be over before a detective has even managed to investigate a mere handful of players.
Players turn mafia without prior warning. Without any visible sign of it in the thread. In Capo, a player needs to kill to turn to the Dark Side. We get to see players turn mafia. They can also be caught doing so by detectives.
Not so here.
Lastly, all of the town players are in competition with one another too.
So again, even if the names of all the mafia players were announced by GH right now, the town could still lose. There is absolutely no reason to assume this will be a town walkover.
> For some reason, many players think that wantonly killing players is a fun thing to do. I disagree. There are roles. And there are people behind the roles. What is so cool about ending the game for some guy/gal just for the kicks of it? Just because you are disappointed that you are town?
> Wanton killing of your own side isn't even good pirate role playing. What pirate secretly kills his own crew members at night? That's not Pirate role-playing, that is 'drugged Somali teenage militia' roleplaying.
This is a ridiculous argument, because Jolt didn't even comment on the chat log until after the lynch was over. This was never a basis for the lynch.
Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso. Lynching anyone else is a waste of time.
I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.
I also like how we're now retroactively saying that the LG vig kill was wrong. Odd that everyone seems to forget that if LG hadn't been killed, he would've been lynched immediately afterwards. That vig kill saved us a lynch... which was then used on LG's most prominent defender.
That's true. But, that didn't come up until after he was lynched and now some people( who may or may not be french) are trying to say it was a basis for guilt, when it didn't factor in. I think Capo may have made people a bit too confident in ATPG. I'm pretty sure he could post a Reenk Roink style chain of smilies and end up getting someone lynched at this point. :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
Wrong, not wrong...I didn't care. There were reasons to kill Grizz, there were reasons not to. I, for one, never voted for any of his killers over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TC
What I'm saying, is that Grizz was killed on the flimsiest of evidence. The same reason that Jolt was lynched. A lynch, to which several of the very vig killers against Grizz and Andres protested because it was based on 'the flimsiest of evidence'. Which is rather odd. One has to lynch somebody, whereas one doesn't have to vig kill somebody.
The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.
And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.
Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.
You're remembering incorrectly. LG was killed because he admitted to having lied. Jolt was lynched because he said he was a bored townie. There's a huge difference there.
If you'd like to keep the town alive, I suggest you try to lynch people that appear like they might be mafioso, as opposed to people that appear to almost certainly be townies. I'm not sure if you noticed this, but the entire argument for lynching Jolt was based on the assumption that he was a townie. No one even suggested that he was a mafioso. Color me skeptical if you say that was the best method of keeping townies alive.Quote:
The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.
And some of the protesters, like me, have been doing nothing but cooperating fully with CR-organized protection groups. Am I scum because I think what they say makes sense?Quote:
And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.
And what do you think of the bandwagon that appeared afterwards? Does it not concern you that so many people were able to vote without giving any reason or being questioned over it?Quote:
Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.
Louis, have you ever been scum in a mafia game before?
Scum as opposed to townie.
VOTE JOLT
I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.
There's also something that bothers me.
CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.
After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.
Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?
Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?
EDIT: has Louis been cleared through investigations?
Uh, firstly, the round is over :sweatdrop:
Secondly ATPG can't lie as the argument was centered around lying about chatlogs and uh... wanting to be a mafia, emphasis on the "wanting to be"...
Apparently it looks as if Tratorix is attacking CDF due to the fact that all those who participated with him in a group died off simultaneously and pretty fast... that and "stuff the dead can't reveal".Quote:
There's also something that bothers me.
CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.
After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.
Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?
Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?
No idea.
:book: