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Your goal is to cause as much confusion and destruction as possible. Your goals have nothing to do with the town's goals.Quote:
I don't want to help the town, but town and I have one goal in common: to get rid of the English mafia. Their Godfather is with a very high probability LittleGrizzly.
Boudica:
You finished your research yet, or are you just lurking? I see you going offline, coming online, and going offline again.
You're not "catching up on reading" to present any case at all.
Today, 07:15 (my time)
It is now 8:45 (my time)Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
What is your response?
Well. I've certainly read a lot of silly nonsense. I'll write up my case when I can get some breakfast.
edit: pizza, wouldn't you agree that it's best for the town to keep everything concise and readable?
Life: Diana
Cover your keyboard while eating, will ya. Or else we'll have to lynch you for reasons of hygiene...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Hey, I can conclusively say I knew Reenk reveal was false - However, my strategy for insuring the town would believe me flopped, horribly. It was the only game I felt slightly bitter about after the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Yes, because innocence is your middle name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Seriously, we have a 9 players left, with 4 mafia - it's extremely unlikely we will lynch a townie.
4 Townies
4 Mafia
1 Neutral Role
Look at that.
I'd like to ask, look at who is still alive, and their status.
ATPG - has been active all game, under constant suspicion, and has done his own independant work (whther he was right or wrong). Cannot be English mafia, since he was after Ituralde and did everything he could to be lynched even while others ignored his case for the most part, and if he was, there was no need for it. Possible Irish mafia, will look into it more.
Seireikhaan - The neutral role. His name is not English, this excludes him from being English mafia. He was attacked by the Irish mafia - if Godfather's can survive one night kill, this makes no sense. It exposes the Godfather meaning the English know where their target is - simply put, it's a stupid move.
Sasaki - He's not dead yet. That doesn't make him suspicious by itself, but say, if he was actually on the right track, the mafia would remove him. Sasaki can swing people with his vote - remove that vote, and Sasaki becomes less potent and less convincing, which is good for the mafia despite possible blame shifting to them. One might say that makes him good lynch bait, but we have two families, meaning that you simply can't take that risk since the other mafia will only be to happy to jump onbaord as a voting block - to retaliate would be to reveal to much. Plus, Sasaki, the whole game, has never been good lynch bait, until now.
Boudica - Essentially lurked the whole game, gave poor reasoning for most of her votes, used poor logic to essentially keep herself alive. Sasaki has always done a good job of saying to ATPG "Hey, yea, she such a good suspect...but, look, there is this other guy, and he a tad shadier...trust me", constantly being loud enough to pull ATPG away. Boudica is also using Psycho mafia as an excuse, when the game ended the 26th (if she was following along the whole time - otherwise, her participation should have spiked the 10th, when she was lynched :brood:), yet, she only suddenly became active today, when the game is on the line...how..interesting...yes. It does not take 5 days to catch up on a game, it takes hours. I read through the entire Midgard threads, both of them, in one day, while still doing other things, such as school work. Not a good excuse.
El Diablo - Has basically avoided the WoG (not very well), thats his major contribution. Mostly likely townie, since thats how ED behaves if roleless, also, mafia in a setup like this avoid Wog bait like the devil, since their kills need to count. Better to try and get the town to "lynch the lurker" during the day.
LittleGrizzly - I have actually ignored the bantering going back and forth between him and Sasaki. The issue is, LG responses are intune with how he is each game he plays - he is an easy target for an inquisition by someone like Sasaki. He is naturally defensive, refines his responses in an attempt to be clearer each time, has a tendency not to check up on his facts, and is mostly reactive - thats not Godfather material or behavior, especially for this long. The only reason the mafia would keep him alive is as lynch bait, some way for the town to waste their votes, since killing him removes his purpose - to hide behind. Godfathers need to check their facts, and be able to present their case in a good way when questioned - a less then solid defense makes them, and their team, vulnerable to the town and the other mafia. The very reasons Sasaki has been touting as reasons to lynch LG are the very reasons he is not what Sasaki says he is (nor Andres).
Lord Winter - Read El Diablo - however, it has been put forth LW could and can write the Oswald write ups, so that is something to think about. I will say LW did vote just like boudica - voting for the dead :brood:. Lord Winter needs questioned, but he is "never around" to be questioned, just as he is barely around to stay away from the wog and cast a useless vote.
Diana Abnoba - Um...we have a new player stil alive? How o.O!? Either she is more then what she appears, or the mafia skip over he because she isn't threatening to them. But, as a townie vote that generally goes along with ATPG, that makes me wonder...
GeneralHanckerchief - Sorry to forget about you :sweatdrop:, be nice. GH has, for the most part, given off almost no mafia vibes. However, he has posted carefully, and conscisly, and has worked with the detective. If he is a Godfather, this is an excellent postion, since it allows him to find the other mafia group. Since he comes off as innocent, he could at the very least try to pass himself off as a townie. Having come out and accused WE of being possible scum, one might look at it as if GH is putting himself out their a bit to much.
Sorry Grizz, guilty by association. I believe Andres's assertions that you're the English Godfather is meant to throw us off track. I'll bet you anything that you're the Irish Godfather.
Ohh great lets make our votes based off scum posts, even if we assume the opposite is true... isn't Andres smart enough to use reverse physcology ? by the looks of things yes, what i didn't expect was that anyone would fall for it...
GH seriously ask yourself why Im not getting attack by mafia after being revealed as the godfather...
Yet both sets of mafia keep me alive... why ? probably because they now im just a bloody townie who is up well high on the lynch bait list....
Im not sure on anyone... even pizza who is backing my case now... the only thing i maintain any level of certainty on is Sasaki's guilt
I will happily offer the town my life if Sasaki turns out to be innocent... but im almost sure... he is scum!
If we can lynch Sasaki this turn... and he isn't a named character... i will begin the voting on littlegrizzly and not move it unless everyone else is sure my potential lynch rival is scum...
Good grief people, some folks need some sleep.
Anyways, yes, I am Heilyn. I challenge you to find an englishman named Heilyn. You won't. That's because I'm just a Welsh champ who got caught in the crossfire, like you. I'm just looking to get outta this hellhole of Inishmore.
Death: Diana
Vote: Boudica
Ok.
You are claiming to be neutral, then? What are your victory conditions?
Living. Don't matter who else wins, as long as I'm alive.
Abilities, if any?
And I looked up your name, after I read the writeup. It is a Welsh name.
You just saw it used.
So, murder immune, and nothing else?
No small wonder you've been quiet all game. Your story checks out.
First, a well executed reveal Seamus! :2thumbsup:
Now then, the fact that Seamus was killed strongly suggests a grunt is still out there (although who really knows, the position of Mafia causes people to do silly things).
This is what should happen. We need a three way tie between Atpg, GH, and boudica. Hopefully our lord and master pevergreen kills them all.
Next up is Sasaki and LG, maybe throwing in another guy, don't know. Shinseikhaan will probably die so that is good.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I would love a three-way tie between myself, Sasaki, and boudica. GH is innocent... he's not a henchman from the investigation, and he's been too bold with his attack on White_eyes to be a Godfather in my view.
Take down the three of us that I mentioned, and I will gladly die.
I have an even better idea :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Everybody collectively commits suicide and it's game over :2thumbsup:
Well, not everybody, Don Grizzly will withdraw his suicide offer right before the round ends :mellow:
Role pm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
I saw that your name was welsh...but the nightkill immunity was quite interesting, and the welsh are british I believe.
Now that khaan has claimed the "other" role, if anyone else out there has it, step forward.
I like the fact I can spend 30 minutes of my life writing up something that took me 2 hours to research and then get ignored. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that :beam:
Also, I would advise the town to put Diana to death. Her behavior reminds me completely of how I behaved in my first mafia game.
If I weren't dead, I'd step forward, but alas, I'm trapped in this coffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
For Sasaki.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Now you know how Atpg feels. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Actually, I read your post. You had some good insights on the lower profile players, but you think GH is innocent... How can I endorse such a view? :shrug:
edit: K, leave khaan alone.
The one thing I learned from Capo II is not to trust the multiple lynch. Somebody will always come around to screw it up... as myself, Sasaki, and Andres can all attest to. :laugh4:
In the absence of another claim I'll buy that. The role fits how you defended yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
I will have to rethink things.
vote: boudica
Life: Diana
I was actually undecided about GH, simply because I can't geta read on him - he feels to neutral to me. He is either innocent or Godfather, and if Godfather, then he has an excellent idea on whom to kill to win for his team. But if we lynch a townie, then we are put into a terrible position were the mafia can overpower us in the vote (if they work together, but to remove the townie is a risky). However, I will note that since GH was working with two innocents, his jumping on Ituralde would not be a bad move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I'd agree with a GH-Boudica lynch :evilgrin:.
I think a three way tie between boudica GH and ATPG would be nice :yes:
Tho GH is prolly innocent.
I have attempted to catch up with the thread and only got a couple of pages past the sign-up phase. Askthepizzaguy - you place far too much emphasis on who does what when and how long they're online for: I've had the internet on while I've been getting on with some work :shame::shame::shame: on me.
Good to see Shinseikhaan's reveal
unvote: Khaan
Maybe those of you who have decided I'm the best bet for a lynch will be able to wade through the 'evidence' again once I'm dead and work out who the actual mafia are. Maybe not.
In the meantime
vote: Sasaki
If it comes down to whether or not LG or you is right, I'm betting on LG's innocence.
I'll leave my vote on Diana: Life - I think ATPG is probably correct about this curious votes meaning. If she is guilty - way to lurk girl! :2thumbsup:
Any counter to my arguments against you B?
If these are your arguments:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
....then I feel I have already dutifully addressed them in this thread under my persecution by ATPG. If you think Sasaki is swaying ATPG then you can take that up with him. With reference to Psychomafia - yes I was lynched early, but then subbed for Kralizec who had a role which occupied me pretty much til game end. As far as catching up on the thread - I am finding that impossible - it's a wreath of daisys :laugh4: and I am kind of accepting the fact that if I am lynched it is down to my inattentive play (to which I have already admitted to extensively). Believe it or not - I shall not even take any pleasure from the inevitable head-meets-wall smileys that those who have gone after me shall experience.Quote:
Boudica - Essentially lurked the whole game, gave poor reasoning for most of her votes, used poor logic to essentially keep herself alive. Sasaki has always done a good job of saying to ATPG "Hey, yea, she such a good suspect...but, look, there is this other guy, and he a tad shadier...trust me", constantly being loud enough to pull ATPG away. Boudica is also using Psycho mafia as an excuse, when the game ended the 26th (if she was following along the whole time - otherwise, her participation should have spiked the 10th, when she was lynched ), yet, she only suddenly became active today, when the game is on the line...how..interesting...yes. It does not take 5 days to catch up on a game, it takes hours. I read through the entire Midgard threads, both of them, in one day, while still doing other things, such as school work. Not a good excuse.
I just added you on my target lynch to convince others to also get GH and Atpg because many think you need to go. I don't really have much but minor suspicion otherwise, but adding you would be prudent to my goals. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by boudica
English Mafia
The khaan reveal messes up my english mafia ideas. I put boudica and El Diablo in as top possibilities, but don't have anything substantial on them.
Lord Winter:
My case on Lord Winter is not substantial, largely due to his absence. However, consider the alive list:
Askthepizzaguy--believe to be brendan due to ties with LG, kill choice
LittleGrizzly--innocent result;
GeneralHankerchief--innocent result
Sasaki Kojiro--innocent
Lord Winter
serierkhaan--revealed to have a role other than oswald
Diana Abnoba
boudica--innocent result
El Diablo--innocent result
It comes down to LW vs diana. This post of LW's leads me to believe he could have targeted AVSM that night, this is a typical example of his lurking, and in this post:
He votes a dead man, claims to have not been following the game carefully, but the one thing he does know about is the "finer points" of oswalds kill.Quote:
Vote: YLC
Your last posts come off as too agressive.
@AtPG/Reenk
The only part that links the kill to Reenk is the clear Weenx imitation. That is all it is though an imitatioin. Look at the finer points it is missing the characteristic Wanax commentary that would Reenk put in on the Wenex kills. I'm not buying the match.
However, the grunts are only important if you can connect them with their godfather in some way, and LW has not posted enough for that. So, on to the Irish.
The Irish Mafia
The first round fake "lynch me":
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Originally Posted by pizza
Complete contradiction. First said he was going to offer himself because we couldn't lynch mafia this early and might lynch a pro town role. Now he says it was "to generate discussion", but that not much discussion has happened...then he says that "what he set out to do has been accomplished", which is why he's now voting for a lurker to get more discussion going. It's clear that "what he set out to do" was make a self lynch situation with the intention of proving he isn't the godfather.Quote:
I tried to generate discussion, but I don't see much discussion happening. I'm not the Godfather, because that would completely bury my team mates. I'd be ballsy/dumb enough to do this as a regular mafia, perhaps not on the first round, but it would be downright selfish to try such a prank if I were a Godfather. I am not any such thing. Were I a Godfather, I would have to answer to my teammates for letting them down, and seriously, no player would sabotage other people's fun by suiciding an entire team. What I set out to do has been accomplished, now I shall use my vote for more productive things. I'm quite happy being lynched, still enough votes on me to keep me near the lead, but let's try to get some lurkers talking.
unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Polemists
Just to get him talking. Couple of pressure votes ought to do it.
LG votes abstain, with the comment "Getting bored of lynching ATPGuy early on". It's not that he thinks it's a bad idea, he's just "bored with it"...
The Irish mafia Kill choices:
Of interest:
Seamus, given atpg's post here. See a couple posts down from that as well.
Side note: pizza votes andres here for no big reason "surely you can contribute more". Andres is in no danger of being lynched. It was asked earlier what kind of things I saw as connections, well this is one kind, where mafia sometimes refer to their partners in a slightly stilted, unnatural way. It is not in the slightest bit provable so I don't make a case out of it, but I do mention it when I see it. Other kinds of connections are more relevant.
Reenk roink, given pizza guy was convinced he was mafia. It doesn't make sense to kill reenk if you don't believe he's mafia. He draws too much attention.
Khaan.
Again, another person you kill only if you think he's mafia.Quote:
Seireikhaan, on the other hand, hasn't been contributing, and there's no reason behind his votes. He's not even paying attention to who he is voting for. As such, I don't think he cares who dies, as long as it's not him. I also think some of his head-game tactics earlier on this game were intended perhaps to fool the mafia, but seriously? Only I was even confused about it, and I explained my theory about what he was doing, which was acting like bait for the mafia, and then he never got killed, and he's had no pressure on him, but he hasn't changed his strategy. He's still hiding, basically, and he deserves a pressure vote.
Speak now, or forever hold your peace.
The "I was tied with boudica and offered myself up for lynch" argument
It is here that I will halt my summary for a time. Rereading the day where pizza and boudica were tied is making me uneasy. Particularly this post:
Consulting a confirmed innocent? This really smells like pizza was anxious about breaking the tie, and wanted an excuse. His reasoning for backing off boudica is shifty as well. I shall have to reread with this in mind, and take a look at pizza's case on boudica today to see if it still makes sense for them as partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizza
I understand, and technically, that attribute should be added to the case against Sasaki. However, you have had 5 days since the end of psychomafia to quickly and easily catch up, yet you haven't. Do not fault me to much for finding this suspicious, maybe I am OCD about keeping up with the games I play.
In the past, I've always been left alive because when we get to endgame, people will say "sasaki could be fooling us!". Also, killing me confirms my innocence.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I'm interested in what you have to say on this, because it is possible I became blinded. Do you have a specific game you're thinking of that LG responded in a naturally defensive way, with refining and lack of fact checking etc?Quote:
LittleGrizzly - I have actually ignored the bantering going back and forth between him and Sasaki. The issue is, LG responses are intune with how he is each game he plays - he is an easy target for an inquisition by someone like Sasaki. He is naturally defensive, refines his responses in an attempt to be clearer each time, has a tendency not to check up on his facts, and is mostly reactive - thats not Godfather material or behavior, especially for this long. The only reason the mafia would keep him alive is as lynch bait, some way for the town to waste their votes, since killing him removes his purpose - to hide behind. Godfathers need to check their facts, and be able to present their case in a good way when questioned - a less then solid defense makes them, and their team, vulnerable to the town and the other mafia. The very reasons Sasaki has been touting as reasons to lynch LG are the very reasons he is not what Sasaki says he is (nor Andres).
Hmm, I haven't looked to hard at your past games, and as I said, it does not make you suspicious in of it's self. However, you hammered day in and day out about LG, reducing the need to keep you alive. The only people who need scream "he's fooling us!" are mafia at this point, but to do so makes one vulnerable and is a weak ploy. An innocent Sasaki at the end has a stronger vote and stronger ability to sway votes, and thus it's making me interested why you are still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
A specific game? No, not off the top of my head, but everygame I've ever played with or read about him, he acts extremely defensive. maybe I am wrong here, I'll go look up each and every game he was in (he was in your Kung Fu mafia, correct?), and get back to you. But that is how I view him as of now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Rebuttal:
Hello, Oswald.
I can't believe people aren't going to put Diana to death for her lurking. Its sooooo obvious she's a mafioso...
More an pizzaguy.
Actually, I tried to make it up to you after coming perilously close to calling you an idiot:Quote:
Very nicely done Sasaki. I loved how nice you were to me all game to gain my favor. Should I reveal all your lovely PMs to me? Trying to pass on your veteran wisdom, take me under your wing, Sasaki? Right. That's absolutely Sasaki behavior.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
This is from the day when boudica and pizza were tied briefly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
The above criticism was directed at you after you backed off boudica. I was trying to get boudica lynched that day. Also, and you noted this yourself at the time, Ituralde was present while ares and boudica were tied and did not vote:Quote:
Originally Posted by pizza
Quote:
Originally Posted by pizza
I didn't originally state that you were oswald. I said that you were brendan because: the kill choices made by brendan matched the people you were suspicious of, and because of your connection with andres and little grizzly. You also pursued Ituralde from the get go.Quote:
Originally Posted by pizza
Now I will ask you a question Pizza.
Why are you only going after the people you think are English mafia? This is what you just accused me of doing. You even implied that you could rest your case on that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by pizza
Summary on Pizza guy:
1)The day one self lynch was a fake, and his own posts reveal the only point of it was to make him look innocent.
2 &3)In response to my accusation of him today he has made a nonsensical accusation of boudica and I being english mafia. Specifically english mafia, with no mention of who he thinks the irish mafia are.
4)The kill choices of brendan are people pizza guy wanted to kill
Finally somebody else gets it. I say let Sasaki win even if he is Mafia, if this case gets Atpg lynched (and GH). :bow:
Hmm..LG as mafia has a greater tendency to create more lengthy posts, try to refute as many attacks as he sees. The number of points he tries to address increase in frequency the greater the stress he is under as well. HOWEVER - the consistency with which he replies with regards to accuracy is simply based on activity at the time, not with whether he is mafia or town.
Thus, LG may simply be under signifigant pressure this game from you Sasaki, or may be stressed out because he is annoyed. Or he is a Godfather. But we only have 2 Godfathers, and the innocent list from the investigations is still rather long, including GH, Boudica, and LG. LW and ED have never been checked, and you missed your investigation by one night :wink:
Why ATPG wasn't checked is beyond me :laugh4:
You two have posted essentially the same amount, so watch the "Lurker" :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Rebuttal:
Hi Oswald! Name all the people remaining who could be Oswald.
Perhaps the only thing you said I will respond to:
Because of the big eloquent murder writeup, and because the number of Oswald suspects are dwindling. It's down to just you and a select few other people. You've tipped your hand when you spend most of the time on your case of who is Irish mafia. Interesting that you'd then turn around and say I'm stuck on who the English are. I am hunting for Oswald due to the ever shrinking suspect list for who that player could be, and in doing that, I might be able to deduce who one of the Godfathers are.Quote:
Why are you only going after the people you think are English mafia?
I'm a bit knackered. Right now, I think that pizza guy is definitely mafia. Most likely, the Irish grunt, due to kill choice and pursuit of ituralde. I will have to reread very carefully to determine whether LG or boudica is his godfather. In my opinion, boudica can't be the english godfather due to Ituralde not breaking the tie. LG, despite his mention of the two blind mice thing which had linked him tenuosly to the irish mafia, is my top candidate for english godfather if he isn't the irish one.
Oh here, let me solve it, Sasaki. Be right back. :bounce:
It also makes sense how Andres always interjected when I posted on Atpg. Pretty obvious town, but get GH too!
edit: Lastly, look at the differences in the way that Atpg posted and the frequency of his posting in both The Settlement and this game. The former is more playful which is what Atpg had always said he would do after gf3. The latter is more to the point and reminiscent of Prometheus where Atpg tries to portray himself as super townie when he is town, but tries too hard which gives the telltale signs...
For the conservative post analyzers out there, this is a damning piece of evidence again.
This is nonsense atpg. I've made my case for who the english mafia are. I had them pegged as two lurkers so pardon me if I didn't have piles of evidenc. I've stated what I think about everyone left alive--this is because I'm looking for all the mafia, not just the english ones like you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
You can't refute anything I've said.
pever, in the event of a tie, will both people be lynched again?
also, Life:Diana
Even though she votes the same way as pizza and is a mafioso by proxy, once he's rid of she still counts as a townie.
Do realize there are only 4 town left - it's 50/50 whether we are right.
Alive:
Due to investigations:
Askthepizzaguy- Not Oswald (I have the Askthepizzaguy Clue card)
LittleGrizzly- Not Oswald
GeneralHankerchief- Not Oswald
Sasaki Kojiro- never investigated
Lord Winter- ???
serierkhaan- Not Oswald
Diana Abnoba- ???
boudica- Not Oswald
El Diablo- Not Oswald
That leaves you, me, Lord Winter, and Diana. Even leaving my personal knowledge out of it, Diana wasn't even present for at least one of the murders. Lord Winter, doubtful due to his desire to leave the game. I know I'm not Oswald, and even you aren't accusing me of being Oswald anymore.
That leaves.... you.
Lynch me, Sasaki, and boudica, please.
Pizza, you just claimed to be brendan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
If you know it wasn't diana, and you know it wasn't lord winter because he offered suicide ( :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: ), and you say that I'm Oswald...who does that leave? :smash:
I'd rather take down the entire English mafia in one night and claim credit, Sasaki.
DIE!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!
You mean lazy. You yourself refute this as a bad way to determine guilt, but are willing to use it as evidence against ATPG? Either you think he is incapable doing what you say everyone else can (change their style as they see fit), or just trying to heap poor accusation on top of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
And do remember I am innocent looking in, not mafia scum trying to save my partner, so watch the hypocrisy, kay :wink:
Here's a question, folks; why is there even a "life/death" option made separate, exclusively for Diana?
Vote:LittleGrizzly
Will complete my reread before voting closes. But with pizza certain as mafia, I don't believe his play today accusing boudica is something he would do. I go back once more to his "I just don't buy grizzly as mafia, sasaki, I'll vote him tomorrow" when I presented my case on grizz.
Of course I use different standards YLC, so what. You appeal to different people according to different methods. I don't care about making an epistemically correct case (as far as I am concerned that is impossible). I don't care to champion another method (I only criticize other methods when they go against my point of view).Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Call it hypocrisy or double standards, I call it "what is right for one is not right for another" :bow:
I have a goal, I will use every avenue to reach it, every way of appealing to the town, to hell with consistency! :laugh4: :2thumbsup:
Since you're Oswald, I wasn't going to listen to your "case" on Grizzly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Boudica is your Godfather.
Atpg has given up. Kill him! :charge:
edit: please post the tally
As long as you take out the entire english mafia, I offer you my head, a third time.
:bow: courteously.
Seconded on a tally call. I should be studying right now.
I will get you your tally, courteously.
Bring me Sasaki's head.
Then that is bad play IMO, I am or at least try to always be consistent in which I "appeal" to the town. At most, I will hold a double opinion, but that is only so I can realize how I may be wrong/right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Sorry for being principaled, that is how I feel and it's my own burden and sorrow to carry I suppose.
In my view consistency is too hard to achieve, makes you an easy target for both the town and the Mafia, and gets boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Embrace the chaos of inconsistency! To me, it is the only thing keeping the game fresh. I'm sick of my current model of playing though, will be changing it shortly. :bow:
This game is not confusing enough. As I was the impartial Mastermind chosen to select the distribution of all roles and therefore know everyone's identity, I shall provide you all with a clue that shall reveal the truth to those who seek it.
The black marmot covets the bipedal robot, but only in winter.
:bow:
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Sasaki: 2 (LG, Boudica)
LittleGrizzly 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Boudica: 2 (Shinsei, Askthepizzaguy)
Diana up or down vote:
Life: 1 (boudica, LG, GH, Pizza, Sasaki)
Death: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Townies, you have a chance to take out two mafioso today. Get rid of Sasaki and Boudica. You can get rid of both by lynching Boudica.
rechecking tally, can I get an independent recheck, please?
Sasaki is absolutely, unquestionably, Oswald. You must at least lynch him.
It's not the model Reenk, it's the principal. I simply cannot change my style - I am sure you have noted that. Look at any game I do, the closest I came to inconsistency was in WotN :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I'm going to reread Diana. Don't think she's the english godfather because that wouldn't work out with atpg etc. But if she got chosen as godfather she'd be sure to pick pizza as a grunt, and thinking about it I'm not sure LG or boudica would.
Town is so going to win this game, and with my help too. :bounce:
Sasaki has no defense! He's just trying to find the Irish Godfather! HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!
Watch him squirm!!!
Diana: I know this was a joke, but could you please follow up with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana Abnoba
Pizza is a WAY to cheerful.
He should not be happy with LG being one of the main contenders for lynch.
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Lord Winter
serierkhaan
Diana Abnoba
boudica
El Diablo
9 alive. A tie is unlikely to happen. I believe that our godfathers can be found among three people, diana, LG, and boudica. That means, if we lynch one of them and choose death for diana, or odds go way up.
If we lynch a godfather today, then we will have six alive tomorrow--2 mafia out of 6, if we lynch a townie we lose. Killing diana would drop that to 2/5, better odds, one less suspect.
It also gives us the chance to kill both godfathers today.
unlife:diana
Death:Diana
She's a lurker, votes with pizza guy all the time anyway (and he's given up denying he's mafia), she's perhaps the only person who would choose him as a grunt, and killing her can only help our odds.
I am cheerful because I was the first to expose you. :bounce:
You keep saying I don't deny it, but that's the very same thing I can say about you. As long as your entire mafia family goes down, I will chuckle with glee.
Hey, Sasaki:
You should have fought for Ireland!
:medievalcheers:
That would be thinking with your DIPSTICK, JIMMY!!! Scotland and Ireland, together at last!
I nudged Diana to get online. She can tell you all about me from her perspective, GeneralHankerchief.
It was a joke, but to tell the truth, I can't tell what pizza is doing in this game, from home activity. He is always on the computer, playing 2-3 games, hosting 2-3 games, has a heated debate going on in the backroom...I can tell you this much he seems very giddy right now. So my guess, this would be true if he were town, but you never really know with him. Is there any other way I can help? Ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Boudica
I am not allowed to vote to save my own life, except in the case of a tie.
If you feel that I need to be lynched, I would appreciate that it be done as a regular vote. I'm not really happy with this very unusual rule, but I'm willing to die for Ireland.
Sasaki: Would YOU be willing to die for Ireland? :mellow:
Okay, as this past explosion of posts have been going on I've been sitting mostly silent, watching as it's played out.
Right now I think Oswald and Brendan have found each other in Sasaki and ATPG, respectively. They deserve to die, yes. However, they are grunts. They are unimportant. As Pizza and Sasaki have so kindly noted in the past, it's the Godfathers that matter. If we kill the Godfathers, then they go too.
Right now, I see a connection between ATPG and two people: Diana and LittleGrizzly. I also see a connection between Sasaki and boudica. Normally I would argue against the double lynch, but in this case it's fail-safe as Diana's outcome does not affect our other targets. I am less certain about Sasaki's connection to boudica, however, since it is Sasaki after all. If he wants you to look one way, chances are he's going in the other direction. However, the connection is still there.
On the other side, ATPG's double connection is more secure since we have two possible Godfathers for him, and the opportunity to get rid of both of them. If we kill Diana and lynch LittleGrizzly, the chances are very good that we've removed the IRA threat. Eliminating one mafia faction makes the game that much more vanilla, and thus easy to decipher.
Therefore, it is my suggestion that the town kill Diana this round and lynch LittleGrizzly.
Unlife: Diana
Death: Diana
There's also the slight possibility that ATPG and Sasaki are playing us all and are on the same team, as both are capable of doing so. However, we'll deal with that if this current strategy proves to be a bust.
You want me to reveal, GH?
Do whatever you want. I'm not too concerned about you either way.
I've got the perfect solution for you, GH: Lynch Boudica and Sasaki in a double lynch, and Death vote Diana.
I'll keep my vote at the ready to make sure both Boudica and Sasaki go down, and they cannot get out of it. I'd need someone else to do the same thing. Both Boudica and Sasaki must die if town has any chance of survival.
Diana requests that you don't use this Death vote against her. You can get her next round, easily.
Please. It's really an annoying rule which derailed our efforts. We may have won were it not for that rule and my foolish decision to try to save White Eyes and ACTUALLY try to get English mafia dead.
It's too late for the Irish mafia, but I delivered to you my suspects for the English mafia on a platter. It would be nice if you killed them, consider it our dying wish. You can get both of us this round, but Diana wouldn't even be under fire this round were it not for the very unusual Death vote that... well... doesn't seem right to us.
Since we are doomed, our dying request is that you destroy the English mafia.
And yes, I am Brendan, Bloody Irish Murderer extraordinaire.
Now make sure you kill Sasaki and Boudica.
We agreed before this game began, that we had little chance of winning, so the objective was to have fun and do our best. I would have been murdered tonight, and you guys would have lynched Diana soon anyway. And since the English mafia have been trying to hide from you, and you don't know who they are, it behooves you to find them. NOW.
I revealed as the Irish Godfather twice. Now I'm doing the real reveal. Brendan is a loyal patriot of Ireland, and I exposed most of the major roles in the game, and helped you solve this one. I was just roleplaying what I felt was a TRUE warrior for Ireland. We are willing to die for town. They are not. If you lynch us both next round, or Diana this round, fine. Just make sure the English go down too, that is all. Otherwise Brendan has failed in his mission.
Remember my performance this game? I played with guts and honor. Please reward me for that and KILL SASAKI AND BOUDICA!!!
Man I hate being on the other side of the world from most of you. I come in to 6 pages to catch up on.
Vote Sasaki
Death Diana
Well - you said it fella.
death: Diana
vote: Askthepizzaguy