Netherworld II [Concluded]

Vote: a completely inoffensive name

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Originally Posted by YLC

Vote:Seon

You didn't die last night, oh how depressing.

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Correct. 'tis quite strange. Perhaps the natural laws are evolving...

Vote:Diamondeye. he has similiar name as white eyes. Jealousy must have been the motive.

I don't really consider White_Eyes a lurker. If you get him going, he'll talk.

I will agree that the choices seem very off. AVSM and Khazaar almost never lead the discussion, they don't seem to be logical round one targets. If you let AVSM live through the whole game, the worst that will happen (IMO) is he will be one of the votes on you later on, unless he's a detective or something. The only thing that might be said is that they won't really talk after they are dead. But even I'm getting to that point, almost no one does anymore unless they have a special interest in the game.

I'd say chances are you have a different team than the usual suspects, or a sneaky type like Generalhankerchief who will use unorthodox strategy to throw you off. Or I could just be talking out of my butt.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I don't really consider White_Eyes a lurker. If you get him going, he'll talk.

I will agree that the choices seem very off. AVSM and Khazaar almost never lead the discussion, they don't seem to be logical round one targets. If you let AVSM live through the whole game, the worst that will happen (IMO) is he will be one of the votes on you later on, unless he's a detective or something. The only thing that might be said is that they won't really talk after they are dead. But even I'm getting to that point, almost no one does anymore unless they have a special interest in the game.

I'd say chances are you have a different team than the usual suspects, or a sneaky type like Generalhankerchief who will use unorthodox strategy to throw you off. Or I could just be talking out of my butt.

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This is the netherworld - that's a good possibility. How did you die?

Car crash. My head went clean through my intestines.

Does seem like strange first round kills. Seems like it might be a newer player.


Vote: Winston Hughes

Yes. Let us all pick on the new kids.

Would I know who on this board are who already? I know ATPG, because, well, he seems to do half the talking even when he's dead and there are 40 players, but other than that, I wouldn't know enough about players to make such distinctions as you think me capable off.

Besides, Splitpersonality is far better looking than me. This is the best-looking contest, right? I am flattered by your votes, in that case, gentlemen. :bow:

However, I think vote:Seon was a little too quick to jump on the bandwagon against me... Hiding something?

Actually, I am acting as insane, chaotic, crawling tentacly mass from Lovecraft's novel ie:my innocent face.:juggle2:

If one more person tries to make a connection between the kill selection and who is guilty with a straight face in the first round, so help me, I'll murder you myself.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

If one more person tries to make a connection between the kill selection and who is guilty with a straight face in the first round, so help me, I'll murder you myself.

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GeneralHankerchief did, it's quite obvious. At the very least, he had a hand in it. Only he would post the above then proceed to tell everyone in such a manner to buzz off from that line of thinking.

Uh... Two questions: Do we know for sure that all the three dead people from the first round were innocent? I don't see any spoiler in the writeup.

And would someone mind doing a tally? I feel like I am the one closest to dying but I really can't tell.

Indeed. No one likes a good WIFOM contest more than GeneralHankerchief. He's also the type to joke that he can kill you when he really can.

unvote, vote: GeneralHankerchief

That, more than the kill selections, seals it for me.

I'm also of the mind that the kills were done with knowledge and were meant to pursuade the crowd to attack a neophyte. Plus we haven't had a first round ATPG lynch in about three months.

Vote: ATPG

Sure, it didn't JUST HAPPEN in the Blackadder game.

*smacks Yaropolk*

Vote:white_eyes

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Vote:white_eyes

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A bit overkill, don'tcha think? :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

A bit overkill, don'tcha think? :inquisitive:

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I checked over the posts, but no one else has voted him. Anyway, bit of a fuss you are making over a random vote?

No one else voted him for a reason.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

No one else voted him for a reason.

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No one else voted him period, reasoned vote or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

No one else voted him for a reason.

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Speaking of votes - Unvote:Seon, Vote:GeneralHankerchief

Your trying to avoid me, Mr.Kerchief, and my reasoning - why?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No one else voted him period, reasoned vote or otherwise.

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Ayup. :yes: And there's an easy explanation for why that's so.

-edit- YLC, I'm avoiding you because I feel like it at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Looks like 3 Lurkers were killed, if that was meant to be last nights pattern, but usually AVSM, Khazaar and White_Eyes:D are not first-round killed...

A newish player perhaps?

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I think it's an experienced player.

Vote: GH

Also, based on the description I think AVSM's killer was Yama.

Most people are not "usually killed first round" and most mafia teams have an experienced player on them.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No one else voted him period, reasoned vote or otherwise.

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What GH is trying to tell you about White_Eyes: HE - IS - DEAD!!

I get the feeling you trying just a bit to hard to seem like you don't know what is going on.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

YLC, I'm avoiding you because I feel like it at the moment.

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But, why? Do you not love me? Why must you ignore me GH? Have I just become inconvenient for you now? A normal person at this point would simply counter me - if he actually had an excuse. Which you don't.

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Originally Posted by Joooray

What GH is trying to tell you about White_Eyes: HE - IS - DEAD!!

I get the feeling you trying just a bit to hard to seem like you don't know what is going on.

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Vote Jooray

Who are you to tell Sasaki who he can or can't vote for

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Originally Posted by YLC

But, why? Do you not love me? Why must you ignore me GH? Have I just become inconvenient for you now? A normal person at this point would simply counter me - if he actually had an excuse. Which you don't.

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Oh, I have a counter, I just don't feel like using it. Why waste it, after all? Your original accusation on me was WIFOM by nature and therefore ultimately meaningless. After all, I could simply say that your read of me is incorrect and that, were I a mafioso, would have acted differently in such a situation.

My vote on GH was made before I saw the rest of this conversation; I got the end of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts. So, I hadn't seen 81+ at the time of my vote. Having now read them, I do not want to participate in a bandwagon on GH.

Unvote: GH; Vote: YLC

For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

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Originally Posted by scottishranger

Vote Jooray

Who are you to tell Sasaki who he can or can't vote for

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Oh no you did-n't! :shout: Who are YOU to tell me who I can smart alec with and who not. :mean:

... - Sigurd

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Looks like 3 Lurkers were killed, if that was meant to be last nights pattern, but usually AVSM, Khazaar and White_Eyes:D are not first-round killed...

A newish player perhaps?

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Is this an attempt to distract attention from the real killer, or just appallingly bad reasoning?

One way to find out... vote: Beskar

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Sure, it didn't JUST HAPPEN in the Blackadder game.

*smacks Yaropolk*

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Meh wasn't part of that one, I still think it's a good idea to lynch you just in case.

For no apparent reason:

Vote: Double A

Now leave me alone until the next vote.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Oh, I have a counter, I just don't feel like using it. Why waste it, after all? Your original accusation on me was WIFOM by nature and therefore ultimately meaningless. After all, I could simply say that your read of me is incorrect and that, were I a mafioso, would have acted differently in such a situation.

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What a lovely little roasted marshmellow you have written, all fluff and no filling. Play the pufferfish more with empty sounding defense? If my accusations are baseless, why defend against them - I am the only one accusing you, yet for some reason you are forced to respond? Why reason with the unreasonable, when you know it gets you caught in circles? Why so defensive?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

My vote on GH was made before I saw the rest of this conversation; I got the end of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts. So, I hadn't seen 81+ at the time of my vote. Having now read them, I do not want to participate in a bandwagon on GH.

Unvote: GH; Vote: YLC

For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

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You voted GH why in the first place? And I didn't call for a bandwagon on GH at all.

And that is total WIFOM, and you know it. I could vote for the dead too if you want - I suppose that must mean I did not read the night write-up.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

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*waves his hand dismissively*

BAH, he is acting like he doesn't know what's going on. And, for no reason other than because he is Sasaki, and he can. It's how he has fun, in my opinion. At worst, he was doing it so that someone could use the very reasoning you just used to "clear" him, which is kind of lame as Sasaki strategies go. He's better than that.... I hope.

vote: Scienter as a friendly welcome vote.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

My vote on GH was made before I saw the rest of this conversation; I got the end of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts. So, I hadn't seen 81+ at the time of my vote. Having now read them, I do not want to participate in a bandwagon on GH.


For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

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(bolded vote removed to prevent miscounts)

Why would you point out something that obvious in Sasaki's defense?

But on that topic, it's slightly odd that Sasaki paid attention to the posts after the night write-up, and not to the night write-up itself. Of course, it goes without saying that if he's not mafia and hasn't read the write-up he wouldn't have known that white_eyes was dead *looks suspiciously*

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

Why would you point out something that obvious in Sasaki's defense?

But on that topic, it's slightly odd that Sasaki paid attention to the posts after the night write-up, and not to the night write-up itself. Of course, it goes without saying that if he's not mafia and hasn't read the write-up he wouldn't have known that white_eyes was dead *looks suspiciously*

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Thus - Sasaki read the night write up and is screwing around, TC is defending him needlessly, GH is panicking and trying to defend himself when he should he does not need to.

Kind of adds up - I'd be the type to hunt down the veterans at this point. Immunity to death usually allows them to be much more productive instead of trying to form secret alliances.

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Originally Posted by YLC

You voted GH why in the first place? And I didn't call for a bandwagon on GH at all.

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As I stated, I think those targets were picked by an experienced player, not a new player. GH was just the first person that came to mind.

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And that is total WIFOM, and you know it. I could vote for the dead too if you want - I suppose that must mean I did not read the night write-up.

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WIFOM on Day 1? OH NOES!

My bad. I totally missed that white eyes was one of the two kills. I should read more carefully. Not that my mistake means I'm innocent at all, of course.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

As I stated, I think those targets were picked by an experienced player, not a new player. GH was just the first person that came to mind.



WIFOM on Day 1? OH NOES!

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GH was the first player on your mind? Why not Sasaki? ATPG? Sigurd? Dear scottishranger? Why not even Beskar? Or even me? What made GH so special?

Day 1 WIFOM is perfectly understandable, when it is used to accuse someone. It doesn't make a lot of sense when used defensively, and for another persons life, especially one that you haven't a stake in, and it can easily be disproven.

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Originally Posted by YLC

GH was the first player on your mind? Why not Sasaki? ATPG? Sigurd? Dear scottishranger? Why not even Beskar? Or even me? What made GH so special?

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I have a mancrush on him. :love:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

My bad. I totally missed that white eyes was one of the two kills. I should read more carefully. Not that my mistake means I'm innocent at all, of course.

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:bounce:

You guys don't fully appreciate this man, I fear.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I have a mancrush on him. :love:

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I suppose you do then, with the way your behavior has been - lackluster and not player of the year material at all. Where is the old TinCow? Can I get him in exchange of this one?

How about one that knows he has no defense for defending GH by trying to use Sasaki as a distraction, knowing people will pick on his faulty logic? Why do we need to stop looking at GH, TC? I know you can answer my question.

Ooooooh I smell a rumble... *gets out the popcorn* http://forums.civfanatics.com/images...es/popcorn.gif

I have nothing more to add to this conversation other than to say that I reciprocate TinCow's feelings and that YLC's arguments are so laugh-worthy that he won't even have the honor of personally being slayed by myself tonight.

Unvote:Seon Vote: YLC

While all this "veterans buddying up and talking in so much detail that the rest of people can't follow"-stuff is all very funny, I don't see you throwing any votes, gentlemen. Backing these accusations of each other with votes would make them seem vaguely more serious.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I have nothing more to add to this conversation other than to say that I reciprocate TinCow's feelings and that YLC's arguments are so laugh-worthy that he won't even have the honor of personally being slayed by myself tonight.

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:laugh4:

Is this a joke? Is that all you have? You sound irrevocably vain in that statement, as if you could kill me at all. If your town, then you can't and thus it's an empty threat, and I am wrong - or your a mafioso and you can, and thus I am right. All your doing right now is bandwagoning on TCs lackluster logic because you have none of your own.

I can bet that I will be attacked this night, oh most assuredly, and not this night, then the next. You and TC are so scummy that it's unbelievable, and one or both of you are mafioso.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

Unvote:Seon Vote: YLC

While all this "veterans buddying up and talking in so much detail that the rest of people can't follow"-stuff is all very funny, I don't see you throwing any votes, gentlemen. Backing these accusations of each other with votes would make them seem vaguely more serious.

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I have - long ago unvoted Seon and placed it on what I believe is the best first round lynch, GH. Kill me next round if you do not believe me, but I guarantee results if either TC or GH dies today.

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Originally Posted by YLC

How about one that knows he has no defense for defending GH by trying to use Sasaki as a distraction, knowing people will pick on his faulty logic? Why do we need to stop looking at GH, TC? I know you can answer my question.

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Please explain how I defended GH; I was not aware that I had ever done so. Nor am I aware of ever saying we should stop looking at GH. Are you intentionally twisting my words, or are you just being careless?

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Originally Posted by YLC

How about one that knows he has no defense for defending GH by trying to use Sasaki as a distraction, knowing people will pick on his faulty logic? Why do we need to stop looking at GH, TC? I know you can answer my question.

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Please explain how TinCow defended me; he was not aware that he had ever done so. Nor is he aware of ever saying we should stop looking at me. Are you intentionally twisting his words, or are you just being careless?

GH makes a good point, I recommend that we don't lynch him.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Please explain how I defended GH; I was not aware that I had ever done so. Nor am I aware of ever saying we should stop looking at GH. Are you intentionally twisting my words, or are you just being careless?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Please explain how TinCow defended me; he was not aware that he had ever done so. Nor is he aware of ever saying we should stop looking at me. Are you intentionally twisting his words, or are you just being careless?

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Since this is essentially one post, I'll answer both at the same time.

I was voting for GH, when TC jumped on - and immediately jumped off without giving reason why.
TC then responds later in the same said post by saying something about Sasaki that would catch peoples attention - for being idiotic and easily disprovable.

GH is overly defensive when I accuse him, arguing with me instead of simply making a statement, when he knows I am being intentionally unreasonable - he is concerned, and thus has something to prove.

TC and GH bandwagon of each others logic, with TC avoiding me in direct discussion as much as possible, even when he knows that I am asking reasonable questions, rather then unreasonable accusations, like I did with GH. He's not seeing a difference.

Hay! I have an idea!

Let's lynch them all.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Hay! I have an idea!

Let's lynch them all.

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I'm up for that - lets do it. My votes already down, need a couple on GH and TC though.

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Originally Posted by YLC

Since this is essentially one post, I'll answer both at the same time.

I was voting for GH, when TC jumped on - and immediately jumped off without giving reason why.
TC then responds later in the same said post by saying something about Sasaki that would catch peoples attention - for being idiotic and easily disprovable.

GH is overly defensive when I accuse him, arguing with me instead of simply making a statement, when he knows I am being intentionally unreasonable - he is concerned, and thus has something to prove.

TC and GH bandwagon of each others logic, with TC avoiding me in direct discussion as much as possible, even when he knows that I am asking reasonable questions, rather then unreasonable accusations, like I did with GH. He's not seeing a difference.

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You're wrong, but I'm not going to say why. Put your vote on yourself - and keep it there - and I'll tell you why at the end of the round.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

You're wrong, but I'm not going to say why. Put your vote on yourself - and keep it there - and I'll tell you why at the end of the round.

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Oh that's rich GH, be more insulting to my intellect, and that of everyone else playing.

Try. Harder. Please.

Well, at least now you know how it feels like.

I've got it! I know exactly who did it!

Unvote: Diamondeye
Vote: TinCow

GH is the red herring, made deliberately to look like he's guilty, while TinCow, the real culprit, is merely on the sidelines and not garnering any attention. Couple that with Sasaki's faked ignorance of the night kill on white_eyes, which GH corrected, and the answer is clear. TinCow is mafia, GH is his converted mindslave, and Sasaki is a townie who wants to be mafia. Case closed.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

GH is the red herring, made deliberately to look like he's guilty, while TinCow, the real culprit, is merely on the sidelines and not garnering any attention. Couple that with Sasaki's faked ignorance of the night kill on white_eyes, which GH corrected, and the answer is clear. TinCow is mafia, GH is his converted mindslave, and Sasaki is a townie who wants to be mafia. Case closed.

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:shocked:

He got it.

I can't believe he got it. And so quickly, too.

TinCow! Sasaki! We need to go to the Quicktopic to discuss this new development.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

I've got it! I know exactly who did it!
GH is the red herring, made deliberately to look like he's guilty, while TinCow, the real culprit, is merely on the sidelines and not garnering any attention. Couple that with Sasaki's faked ignorance of the night kill on white_eyes, which GH corrected, and the answer is clear. TinCow is mafia, GH is his converted mindslave, and Sasaki is a townie who wants to be mafia. Case closed.

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....That's stupid...


You're stupid...

Unvote; Vote:Chaotix

Remember those words when TinCow decides to use his awesome mind-control powers on you.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

Remember those words when TinCow decides to use his awesome mind-control powers on you.

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How can I remember words that you said after the fact?

1. If he's controlling my mind, how am I to remember anything he doesn't tell me to.
2. He already controls my mind!

In that case, just tell me you're being mind-controlled, and I'll repost it with a nice little quote tag that has your name on it. Then you will remember what you so ignorantly said to me, and lower your head in shame as you are forced to run me through with a spear.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Well, at least now you know how it feels like.

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Unlike you, I haven't stepped so low as to be debasing intentionally yet. Rather petty of you to insult me on false pretenses, when you know I am right and you can't refute it.

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

....That's stupid...


stupid...

Unvote; Vote:Chaotix

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Personally I like his reasoning :laugh4: makes complete sense in the grand scheme of things

Unvote: Winston Hughes, Vote: Tincow

Everyone remember to be niceth.

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Originally Posted by YLC

Unlike you, I haven't stepped so low as to be debasing intentionally yet. Rather petty of you to insult me on false pretenses, when you know I am right and you can't refute it.

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I disagree, sir. You called me "petty". :snobby:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I disagree, sir. You called me "petty". :snobby:

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That is because you are :laugh4:

There is a difference between calling names and stating a fact.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

vote: Scienter as a friendly welcome vote.

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Vote : Sigurd

For being friendly :thumbsdown:

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Originally Posted by YLC

That is because you are :laugh4:

There is a difference between calling names and stating a fact.

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Why exactly am I petty? How is it a fact?

Summarize your case against me.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I am not sure I agree wholeheartedly with your logic regarding who murdered you and why. Was Andres even here and active at the time? As for me, I am begging your indulgence to just trust me that I didn't murder you. Give me a round of benefit of the doubt, or just for the sake of argument.

Sasaki could have avoided killing you, but that smacks of cowardice. Frankly I think they gave it to AVSM so that it would mess with our brains. But we got AVSM right away, didn't we?

I could make your case in-thread, but I feel you're the best qualified person. I consider Andres' contributions to be lackluster this game. I don't think he was even here to do the murders. I think he skipped out to avoid detection. Tincow and GH are high on my list, but GH sounds like he's the detective or the spokesman for the detective, and as such, he's out. YLC has been revealed, so it's not possible for him to have done it. Chaotix, it's possible...

My next top suspect is actually splitpersonality.

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Who are you even talking to? This makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Who are you even talking to? This makes no sense.

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Let's see:

a) it's new year, so many people are now suffering from a hang-over;
b) it's day 1 in a large mafia game
c) something else
d) some other stuff
e) nonsense

And you expect him to make sense?

:inquisitive:

Unvote : Sigurd; Vote : Sasaki


For expecting people to make sense.

And there are five good reasons to make that vote, so don't say that I'm not making sense here!

vote: winston hughes

Not only unusual kill choices, but a dead khazzar, which is a player winston hughes always votes for, in other mafia games at least.

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Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty

How can I remember words that you said after the fact?

1. If he's controlling my mind, how am I to remember anything he doesn't tell me to.
2. He already controls my mind!

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Would you kindly kill Chaotix?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Who are you even talking to? This makes no sense.

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I honestly do not understand why you posted this from another thread in here.

Okay, unvote:YLC. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt. vote:GH

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Originally Posted by YLC

I honestly do not understand why you posted this from another thread in here.

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You respond to Sasaki's post, which came chronologically after mine, before you come to my post, which was addressed directly at you.


You[']r[e] trying to avoid me, Mr.[YLC], and my reasoning - why?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Would you kindly kill Chaotix?

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but of course master TC :yes:

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Originally Posted by Andres

Let's see:

a) it's new year, so many people are now suffering from a hang-over;
b) it's day 1 in a large mafia game
c) something else
d) some other stuff
e) nonsense

And you expect him to make sense?

:inquisitive:

Unvote : Sigurd; Vote : Sasaki


For expecting people to make sense.

And there are five good reasons to make that vote, so don't say that I'm not making sense here!

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I saw this before you edited out the picture. For shame Andres, for shame.