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Vote: Caius
Sarcasm aside, you are still voting to save him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Unvote is your friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by AVSM
That is correct. And, I didn't wait until the last minute to do so either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
If I absolutely HAVE to drop a hint, it's pointless.
Good sir, I suggest you stop trying to defame my product! It was sold entirely in a legitimate manner, and to go off and ruin if for someone else is downright despicable!Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I don't have a problem with you selling votes. You aren't triggering my scumdar so I'd rather not lynch you either.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
:inquisitive: So... you really ARE voting YLC just to save Beskar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
This honest business man find your statement contradictory - for why is Beskar's product better then mine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Pretty much. Not a lot of options here. And unless you guys think you nailed two mafia, I'd suggest a different approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I think YLC has set up a perfect WIFOM by being totally flamboyant and attention-getting. No mafia would do that. But we would think that no mafia would do that so a mafia would do that. I've definitely rock-paper-scissor battled my wits to the death over this.
Gib, no matter if he is mafia or not, he is a deadly weapon that can be used to trigger hell on earth for the townies. Now with the number of player I feel like there is two mafioso. Therefore there is 3 vote swing if they get YLC to sell them their vote. While now that is not a huge deal, if they decide to push the vote over on someone getting close we might not have enough time to come back and counter this. Therefore if we take YLC out of the equation we have a better shot at surviving.
Also it is rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock.
But for that to happen, one of the mafia has to approach YLC in thread and ask him to switch his vote, which would basically reveal them. You believe he's a neutral role, yet are still pushing to lynch him, which is very scummy IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJGingivtis
For everyone's info- this round will end end at exactly 7:00 AM CST aka 12:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Tratorix
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Or they could just do what Reenk did to get YLC to vote how they want in the first place... ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Unvote:GH Vote:Beefy:bow: (Your being far to quiet for your own good....:inquisitive:)
Perfect. YLC doesn't seem to care if he lives or dies. I even asked if I could buy his vote and move my own off of him, and he didn't even go for it. At this point I don't feel like lynching either YLC or Beskar.
unvote, vote: Beefy
Hmm... I've voted with White_Eyes twice this round. Personally I think that's very scummy of me. I'm keeping my peepers on you, pizzaguy.
FoS:ATPG
I don't like how you jumped on Beefy....:inquisitive: (Beefy better speak up.....I get a "scum feeling" from him....but I was wrong in the past:wall: If he speaks up....I will know if he is Mafia...Most of his posts so far, remind me of the times we were Scum buddies:beam:)
If someone trys to use his vote at a pivotal moment, don't you think people might find it a bit suspicious?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
@ WE
If someone votes for someone you think is scum... they must be scum? There's a kink in your logic hose somewhere.
Why so jumpy??:clown: I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies:bow: No need to remind me....:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
My momma was a frog and my daddy was a grasshopper.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Thank you. :bow:Quote:
I think your a guy who would Lie,Cheat and Betray to save his scum buddies
I can't lynch Beefy:shame:...If he is a townie....I would never forgive myself..:thumbsdown: Unvote:Beefy Vote:Beskar
Are you purposely messing up the tally, according to that, AVSM has 3 votes. I know is he A Very Special Market, but I doubt he is that powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Edit: The Mistake was earlier on. Also noticed it with Pevergreen.
Correct Tally:
Tally
Beskar: 4(Reenk,GH, White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4(Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
YLC: 3 (Gibson, DJGingivitis,TinCow)
Reenk: 2(Beskar, Sigurd)
DIY: 2 (Beefy,pever)
Khazaar: 1(AVSM)
pevergreen: 1(Lord Winter)
Talking beefy is an equivalent of man marching towards the mine field, knowing that its a mine field. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Also I would like to point out that I have never ever won a game of mine sweepers.
For a proper defense, I have school everyday. I am unavailable when everyone is active, and I am available when everyone is not.
I messed up the tally???:furious3: (Knew I should have went back and started from the first vote in this round......I toke my tally off of Tratorix's....sorry about that....didn't mean to....:sweatdrop:)
Ooh, I like the attention. How do you know I don't have three votes? Put them back on! :clown: :bobby2:
But my tally doesn't seem wrong.....AVSM only has one vote???(and no votes on him?:dizzy2:) I don't see what your talking about.....:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Edit: I can't see how I missed that......three votes on multiple people.....by one person:laugh4:
Just saw what happened... typical... :rolleyes:
Actually, AVSM didn't unvote. So unless his new vote still counts, his original vote on you does count, and the tally (relevant to you) would be:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Beskar: 5 (Reenk,GH, AVS White_Eyes:D,YLC)
Beefy: 4 (Jolt,DiY,Tratorix, ATPG)
:yes: :2thumbsup:
He voted Khazaar before me and didn't unvote from it. My tally is correct. Stop falsing it.
Beskar is correct that A Very Super Market's vote should be either on Khazaar or Caius as he has not unvoted in any of his changes. Seireikhaan has not put it in his rules that an unvote is needed to change a vote.
We have therefore the option of two tallies:
#1 (need to unvote to change):
Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 2 (Beskar, Sigurd)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)
not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)
#2 (don't need to unvote)
Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 2 (Beskar, Sigurd)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Caius : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)
not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split )
It's getting close to the end of this round and I will grant the wish of the dead man.
unvote: Reenk Roink, vote: Beskar
Tally:
Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)
not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)
or
Beskar : 5 (GH, RR, Sigurd, WE:D, YLC)
Beefy : 4 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix)
YLC : 3 (DJG, Gibson, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Caius : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)
not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split )
That is dirty cheap shot, Sigurd.
unvote; vote: Beefy182
A bandwagon based around around an OMGUS vote and pasted song lyrics is the most retarded thing in existence.
Atheotes accused you of his murder. I think we should at least grant him this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
It wasn't me and his argument was completely flawed as well. It's stupid how I get always lynched at the beginning as a townie or pro-town role, what did I do? Point out that some one was scummy then the whole basis is a OMGUS with song lyrics? Are we even playing Mafia here?
You know what is really funny? I bet the Mafia is those who haven't even voted. That is how stupid this is. Only way to ever be successful Mafia is to not bother posting, as soon as you legitimate accuse some one of being scummy, you face the music.
Like Swords of the Moons, Ichigo basically never hardly posted and he turned out being Mafia, but anyone who spoke anything, or even proven innocent by a detective were getting lynched off by fools. Probably like Kazaar as Mafia again and he lynched Atheotos because he got a lurker victory in the other game with Ath, so thought to silence him quickly.
Good game.
edit: Added the bit that was added in the double here.
(double post accident)
No need to give up until the fat lady sings.
unvote: Beskar, vote: YLC
Is that a role he has or is it just act?
You know, none of this really helps us at all...
Beskar seems a bit close to his normal self personally, arguing and arguing and being really quite defensive and will counter your arguments.
I don't think he's guilty, at least for now.
My thoughts:
Khazaar and Split has yet to vote and are hereby considered total lurkers and halfway to WoK.
AVSM caught my eye for voting himself in round one and voted third on the Beskar bandwagon without unvoting first. I am tempted to call it. Tratorix was third on the Beefy wagon.
I can tell that ATPG and Beskar have had outofthread communication, but I can't see that 'khaan forbids it as long as there are no quoting of PM's or revealing victory conditions. Mafia or TIN? Hard to tell.
I sir, resent what you insinuate about me sir. I have never dealt with shady characters to my knowledge, and would never be one as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
A good honest, tradesman I am, nothing more.
Er.... right. Sorry for the confusion folks. I do indeed require people to unvote before voting. Beefy is lynched. Writeup to be posted soon.
Beefy : 5 (ATPG, DiY, Jolt, Tratorix, Beskar)
Beskar : 4 (GH, RR, WE:D, YLC)
YLC : 4 (DJG, Gibson, Sigurd, TinCow)
Reenk R : 1 (Beskar)
DiY : 2 (Beefy, pever)
Khazaar : 1 (AVSM)
pever : 1 (LW)
not voting : 5 (Caius, Chatorix, Ichigo, Khazaar, Split)
Guess I gotta die once every few games to keep my reputation :laugh4:
We should've lynched AVSM just for creating that mass confusion
Farewell Sir Beefy. :shame:
they told him don't you ever come around hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
don't wanna see your face you better disappear
the fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear
so beat it.... just beat it!
you better run you better do what you can... :stare:
:yes: Though I'm not sold on the townie information network (those two only?). Can anyone else come out and say if they were contacted by Beskar or Atpg?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Plus it is doomed to failure by the moonwalking Mafia Spirit so we should nip it in the bud. :laugh4:
The way I see it right now, Atpg either saved Beskar as a Mafia partner or maybe as a sarcastic attempt against my case. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after Beskar.
The thing is, ATPG is fairly good at being mafia and I don't see why he would take the risk of trying to save Beskar. Beskar is being his normal paranoid and reactionary self, I've gone after him for it before. It doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty and we definitely shouldn't be planning our lynches around that assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReenkRoink
As the council began this day, I began to feel hope for the savages. A modicum of civility seemed in order. The discussion actually seemed to be a discussion, instead of a fight. Alas, my hope was dashed by the time the sun rose to its highest. Tribesmen began singing of terror, accusing each other of mental incapacity, and small skirmishes broke out on multiple occasions between members. The day seemed to prolong itself with unrelenting ruthlessness. Members began to quiet themselves as they grew bored with the council, and once again, a few here and there departed for lengths of time to go for a ride on their steeds. Curiously, just as the sun was about to set, and Shinzei Khan was to end the council, a brief flame of debate lit itself, until it was finally extinguished by Shinzei in order to end the council. He turned to me, requesting a recitation of the tribseman who gathered the most suspicion as an infiltrator. I informed him it was a man by the name of Beefy. Shinzei ordered him to be restrained. Beefy was forced into a submissive stance, his neck exposed to the temporary leader of the camp. Shinzei unsheathed his scimitar, and, wielding it with both hands, brought it with such force that Beefy's head was rendered clean from his neck, and sent rolling. Shinzei sent me back to my tent for the night. I hoped that this might finally be put to a stop. Though I had two apparently dedicated guards, I was growing increasingly agitated at the continued death...
-- The Record of Zhang Qian
All right, let's grant the premise that due to their behavioral staticness, both Beskar and Atpg may not have a great case on them. Who should we lynch then? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
The other choices seem unsatisfactory to me at least. AVSM forgets to unvote, a very forgivable mistake given that it wasn't really made explicit until now.
YLC is selling his vote. Why should this be considered bad? I consider it good. YLC is making the game more interesting and fun, the real purpose of the game, we shouldn't crucify those who do so. He has not done anything bad, and all his transactions are out in the open. He is an honest businessman as he says, until proven otherwise. For the concerns of power swinging, at the moment, one vote isn't going to do anything anyway.
And DJgingivitis is also not one I'd go after. For all his picking on YLC, I believe his "neutral" comment was misinterpreted. I think gingivitis meant to say that we don't really know YLC's alignment, like we don't [I]really/I] know anyone else's but ours and maybe the killed people.
The way I see it, I'd rather have had Atpg and Beskar lynched the first two rounds, two players with some suspicion their way, than FactionHeir and Beefy which were really nothing more than random lynchings. :yes:
How are they suspicious? All I've seen from you on this is the fact that ATPG voted for someone other than Beskar and Micheal Jackson lyrics. Honestly lynching Beskar because there are "no better choices" is unsatisfactory in itself, but wanting to lynch ATPG because he voted to save someone you want to lynch because you can't find anyone better? Strikes me as lazy at best and scummy at worst.
I'm not saying ATPG is mafia, far from it, but the above statement is flawed. This game has only two mafioso. If one was about to go out on Day 2, I would expect their partner to try and save them. Not doing so significantly raises the prospect of defeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
In general, I don't see anything to be concerned with so far. It's rare for anything decent to appear in the first two days, and this game isn't an exception.
Well, I've always thrown my mafia partner to the wolves when things got rough. Trying to save them often just gets two mafia lynched. :shrug: I'm just trying to steer us away from the path of "this person was guilty, hence this person is guilty." Lynching Beskar for acting like himself and then ATPG for supporting him is a waste of two more lynches and we don't have an unlimited supply.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
You haven't been looking too hard then. Atpg before saving Beskar this round twice went after GH for voting Beskar. One with some joke post I think, and the other with a vote without any reason. There's clearly a connection between the two. You're simply being reactive to someone trying to be proactive... :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
These have been pointed out before by me. You're falling into the same scheme of simply saying "Oh Reenk is just posting Michael Jackson lyrics" when that's clearly not true. Lazy at best, scummy at worst... :wink: Disagree with the case given. Don't try to pretend there isn't one.
Lastly, I've asked you for any suggestions on whom to lynch. Your vote against Beefy seems to contradict everything you've been saying here, so I'm not sure. Given your involvement in the game, the fact that you are simply OK with criticizing any attempt at Beskar and Atpg while not promoting any other alternative is odd...
The answer is obvious, the best alternative is you. You acted scummy since round one.
I haven't got a clue why Pizza decided to want to save me, maybe it was because I purposely didn't change vote and thus, allowed him to continue in the game, and he felt being on the receiving end of a poor bandwagon, he decided to repay the favour. If that is the case, my thanks to Pizza, I will remember it. There hasn't been any out of thread communication between me and Pizza either, as I said before this statement, maybe he was just repaying the favour where I helped stop him getting needlessly lynched.
How is that scummy? All I have done is simply point out really weird actions, which I done in every single game, and because I decided to point out Reenk Roink's behaviour, RR just tries to bandwagon me with post-hoc information, where he tries to build an imaginary case up, all because I called him out on his behaviour.
Remember, RR's vote is because I called him out on being suspicious, and his whole active bandwagon is his paranoia because I called him out.
So you want the alternatives who to vote for?:
Reenk Roink
The Lurkers (Such as Ichigo and Kazaar, etc)
If the town wants to win, it needs to work together,, not boil down into spitting contests due to ignorance.
edit: Apologises about my earlier post this morning, I just got annoyed. Thanks to Sigurd for changing his vote from me, admittedly, if I was him, I would be tempted to keep it on. Sorry to Beefy182, I didn't see the case against you, and just to let you know, I wouldn't have put my vote on you if I didn't have to.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Interesting disparity here. Sigurd, why do you think they've been chatting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Other than the fact Reenk went after both Beskar and I, there are parts of this argument I agree with. YLC completely left himself open to being lynched; he just did not care. I couldn't, as I said, argue with him to get him to change his vote and save himself. FactionHeir was easy, he hadn't even shown up. I requested we get some votes on a different candidate so I could take my vote off of him for that very reason, but due to the bandwagon on me I had no choice in the matter and no one listened. AVSM doesn't push any of my buttons either.
:2cents:
I was speaking with Tratorix here, if he really thought so then, why did he vote for Beefy? I had two votes on me at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Ok, despite the many times I pointed out my reasons, you continue with this nonsense of a "post-hoc case" hiding a retaliation vote.Quote:
How is that scummy? All I have done is simply point out really weird actions, which I done in every single game, and because I decided to point out Reenk Roink's behaviour, RR just tries to bandwagon me with post-hoc information, where he tries to build an imaginary case up, all because I called him out on his behaviour.
A couple of things, you're really not going to get anyone to lynch anyone due to retaliation votes.
Your entire argument of "post hoc" information fails because your accusation against me that I voted against you because you "called me out" is post hoc. :rolleyes: Obviously I'm making a case against you because you "called me out". It led me to reread the page once more, where I saw the potential connection. Were I just retaliation voting, Sigurd and White eyes would be on The List.
:juggle2:Quote:
Remember, RR's vote is because I called him out on being suspicious, and his whole active bandwagon is his paranoia because I called him out.
https://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7828/mjrr.gif
Last comment to you.
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
:2thumbsup:
Beskar is a Smooth Criminal
I would note that the writeup mentions "two dedicated guards." I wonder if there are any doctor roles...
...coming....for you!
Meehehehahahahaha
RR, I would like to note that your interpretation of what I said is correct. I meant to say that YLC has an unknown alliance. From a blind perspective it is seen that he is neutral in the fact that the extra vote is up in the air for anyone. However your thought of saying it is for the fun of the game to keep him around makes me nervous. Perhaps you plan on exploiting him to your gain later in the game. I shall wait and see. Until then I do not like him selling his vote so I shall continue to get him lynched unless there is a something blatant.
ATPG and Beskar seem shady as :daisy: . Too bad I'm a lousy player, I'm not going to get killed to prove any points.
General Hankerchief sat in his tent that night, his sword in one hand and a stone in the other. He laid the sword flat. With the other hand, he scraped the sword lengthwise along its curved blade. He continued the process with a steady hand. He didn't care what some said about the process nicking blades; his always cut with a perfect slice following a good sharpening. After exactly one hundred scraped, he flipped the sword, and began to work on the other side. The harsh, shrill scrape rang out through the night. Once, twice, thrice....
A young man was crouching, stalking his way through the camp. His biggest concern was being heard, ordinarily, but something was different this particular night. The loud, metallic sound ringing out from one tent seemed to offer all the audible cover he needed. He stopped outside the tent where the sound originated. He peered inside. The man inside was attempting to sharpen his sword with a rock. Though concentrated on his work, the man did notice his visitor in the periphery of his vision. The young man ceased bothering with subtleties, and simply walked into the tent, in full view. The man in the tent laid down the rock, and held his sword in both hands, a glare of subdued disgust upon his face. His opponent drew his own sword from the scabbard at his waist. The two gave each other the slightest of nods.
GeneralHankerchief took the initiative. He took three, controlled steps forward, bringing his sword over his head with both hands. The intruder raised his sword in response, with one hand. The two swords gave a mighty clang, but both held firm. The intruder moved his right foot forward and dropped his left shoulder. With his left hand free, he delivered a punch to GeneralHankerchief's midsection. GeneralHankerchief wheezed for a second. The man took advantage, shoving forward knocking him to the ground. The man lunged onto him, out of control- the sword, instead of planting in GeneralHankerchief's chest, landed into the left shoulder. GeneralHankerchief bit his tongue attempting to stop the unmanly scream from leaving his mouth. He tried to bring his sword, now in his right hand, back upon this man. However, the man ducked down, burying his face into GeneralHankerchief's chest to avoid it. The man ripped his own sword out, and desperately brought it down upon GeneralHankerchief's bared neck. The long edge of the blade squeezed down on a soft, vulnerable jugular. GeneralHankerchief struggled for a moment, as though he were possessed, but soon lay limp as blood pumped out of the vital artery.
I finally felt a smidgen of pride this morning. I had finally been able to wake myself up at a "proper" time for the savages. I admit, I walked out of the tent with perhaps too much of an air of smugness. For when I departed from my tent to find Shinzei, I was verbally accosted by a small gang of soldiers. They openly declared doubts about my own innocence in the matter of the recent tribe deaths. Naturally, I did my most to dissuade them, but it was not until my guards had arrived that they felt it wise to leave me alone. As I arrive for the council, I was dearly hoping that Shinzei would not allow similar thoughts to wander stray across his mind....
Alive: 20
Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Ichigo
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
Splitpersonality
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
YLC
Dead: 3
Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Lynched: 1
FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
WoK'd: 0
THIS ROUND WILL LAST 36 HOURS!
Vote: Beskar obviously
Why kill GH unless the Mafia: 1) is Beskar and wants a guy who keeps voting him off and is not as high profile as me or 2) wants us to think 1.
I still am standing by my Atpg/Beskar theory for now. Of course, I am open to other suggestions as well at this point. I'm kinda getting this second itch that Tratorix might be a guilty one, who probably thinking that Beskar will get the axe soon enough, will try to make me look like a bad guy (as he did last round).
Beskar: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Stinks of a frame-up to me.
Sorry, I have to agree exactly with TinCow.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
If I was going to do what you said, wouldn't have just killed you, Reenk Roink? Far easier and less hassle. Also, being really honest, if I was Mafia, I would have killed you last night and wouldn't have cared if it got me lynched.
It's great that straight away, while I otherwise been at work, you jumped straight away accusing me in the first post, in a big write-up, if anything, you had the whole incident planned out, in order to frame me, then while the town goes off and lynch me, you snigger to yourself going "hehe, so easy to fool the town and lynch Beskar".
Looks like you (or a smart Mafia) obviously set this up to get me killed. But not killing you but some one else close to the mark, the Mafia (or you) hope this draws the town into lynching me, opposed to them (or you).
Vote: Reenk Roink (till something better turns up)
Could be a double-bluff. Intentionally kill me off and then scream "Frame!"Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Frankly, that and other reasons since Day One all point to Beskar. He has to go, if nothing else to get the town looking elsewhere finally.
I am tempted to go for Reenk Roink....(I can tell you up to something...:inquisitive:)
But it's been a while....and I missed you....:clown:
So I Vote:ATPG for killing Beefy the likely Innocent townie:bow:
Tally:
1-Askthepizzaguy:(White_eyes:D)
1-Reenk Roink:(Beskar)
1-Beskar:(Reenk Roink)
Yes, it's very possible. In my original post, I actually laid out an argument against Reenk and cast a vote for him, but then thought better of it and erased it. I'm currently thinking we're focused too much on a very small number of people. The Beskar issue does not seem likely to drop anytime soon, so perhaps its best just to lynch him so that the discussion can move on to other directions. I'll see how the day goes before casting my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Yeah, I recall using that in a few games...Good times:smiley: (How did I get away with it back then??:laugh4:) I have a bad feeling about Reenk.....but he could be just trying harder...last game he and Khaan blamed me endless from the grave....:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
The Very Shortened version of post:
While Reenk Roink's vote suggestion this round was far more decent, abeit, very misguided, please vote for reasons similar or superior. I will honesty say now, voting for me "to let the discussion move on" will annoy me, because it is not my fault some one got hooked voting for me, because I called them out on scummy behaviour.
Let's see it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
To be honest I'm not sure what to make of you TinCow. Can you explain why we should focus on a broader target group at this point? After all, at this point, there is very little to go on, spreading the vote thin will make it easier for the bad guys as their vote can count more and they can also hide behind various targets. This is not to say that we should focus on Atpg/Beskar exclusively, no no no. I certainly welcome a broadening of the targets, though not for its own sake. If anyone has a theory, please speak up.
So if you had made a case against me, I would like to see it. Put your money where your mouth is and give us more targets. I do hope it will be better than your argument against YLC...
I am "trying harder" in the sense that I'm trying to do the basic analytical style of play. Yes, I know I've heavily criticized it before, but I don't think it is completely devoid of worth, far from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Vote: Khazaar
Vote: ATPG
He does not bode well.
Good sir, I can bode with the best of them. You'd actually be impressed by my technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
Nice. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Beskar
I side with my brother.
Are you kidding me? Let me re-quote you to see if I've got this right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
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Can you explain why we should focus on a broader target group at this point?... spreading the vote thin will make it easier for the bad guys as their vote can count more and they can also hide behind various targets.
Nicely done. Way to cover both sides of the argument with the thinnest possible plausible explanation to keep it from being totally absurd. You seem to be claiming there's a great deal of evidence against Beskar, and I call foul on that. What did he do, vote in a manner that saved ATPG? I did the same thing, yet you ignored me. Your evidence against Beskar is wafer thin, yet you keep pumping it every round. GH's death does point the finger at him, but that's the ultimate WIFOM and you know it. You're being incredibly focused on Beskar, and that doesn't seem like you at all from my limited experience. I've never seen you go after someone with this level of tenacity, and you are doing so in a situation with evidence that is equivocal at best.Quote:
I certainly welcome a broadening of the targets, though not for its own sake.
At this point, it is YOU that is acting abnormally.
A bit defensive are we? I originally erased my argument against you because I didn't think it was very strong. Your response is making me reconsider that position.Quote:
So if you had made a case against me, I would like to see it. Put your money where your mouth is and give us more targets.
Perhaps he is just attempting a new style.
Can anyone remember that I used to have a slightly different play style? I was slightly more verbose. :laugh4:
Why good sir, you must be some sort of prophet! :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReenkRoink
So, let me get this straight. Your list of suspects includes:
1) Beskar.
2) Anyone who defends Beskar.
3) Anyone who says you might not be entirely trustworthy.
All this comes from what is, basically, a gut feeling on your part. Sorry, but you strike me as mafia trying really hard to rationalize your voting. Vote: ReenkRoink
Vote: Reenkroink
Things aren't as black or white as you make them out to be. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
You may wish to try and portray my statements as self contradictory or close to it to avoid actually addressing them but I won't allow it. :snobby:
So then, I asked you to explain WHY we should focus on a broader group. This should have been interpreted as a request for an explanation for a stance you proposed. Care to indulge me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkazoid
This here is me pointing out what I see as a major drawback in doing what you propound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkmaistro
Here is me offering my opinion on your proposal. I state that I would welcome it (is this not consistent with my previous requests from others to give alternatives?) but it is qualified with a condition that it is not to be done for it's own sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkmeister
For that major problem that it has, broadening the targets does also allow us to progress in some ways.
I understand this is Mafia, and people aren't exactly going to be crafting charitable construals of other people's post, but let's not get carried away and build strawmen TinCow. :rolleyes: At least don't make them so blatant to be easily called out... :wink:
Your most blatantly false assertion. :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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These posts all point out the tentative nature of my argument. I have made it clear that I am driven more by pragmatic concerns (there is nobody better to vote for) than epistemic concerns. I have never tried to obfuscate the epistemic lacking that my case had.
Already explained. You did not have previous connection with Beskar? The thing that got to me is that after BeskarQuote:
and I call foul on that. What did he do, vote in a manner that saved ATPG? I did the same thing, yet you ignored me.
Also, in the second round, you stayed aloof from the whole matter with your vote. Atpg jumped on GH for voting Beskar.
I disagree with the assertion that my evidence is wafer thin. Speaking within the context of Mafia games and Mafia cases, I consider it an average case. It points out linked voting and posting and is slightly reinforced by a kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
If you still disagree, please bring examples of paradigmatic Mafia cases and point out the ways mine is lacking as compared to them.
I consider WIFOM to be a useless construct. It does not add anything to the discussion, as every action can be reinterpreted through its lens. :juggle2:
Of course I am. So? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Now then, are you so entrenched in the dogmatic assumption of "behavior change = scum" that this statement is supposed to imply that I am scummy? :laugh4:
You do know how much I detest the equivocation of behavioral change to scumminess right? Would you wish for me to argue against it (rather I will repost my many tirades)?
First, how can this be interpreted as defensive whatsoever? Second please do. :yes:Quote:
A bit defensive are we? I originally erased my argument against you because I didn't think it was very strong. Your response is making me reconsider that position.
unvote, vote: splitpersonality
You seem to be intentionally ducking attention.
I love this. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
After not at all responding to this post:
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You now go ahead and once again try to make ME look like the bad guy. :no: Come on now, at least TRY and explain the disconnect between your posts and your actions. You really are looking like a Mafia who is just trying to get as many lynch baits as possible. You certainly are the one I will be going after should the Atpg/Beskar case be incorrect. :smash:
There is a reason why, for example, I am not suspicious at the moment of TinCow or DJgingivitis, who have both said I "might not be entirely trustworthy" but I am suspicious of you. :wink:
*obviously your purported list of my suspects is then wrong on 3 (also partly wrong on 2 but I won't emphasize it too much).
YLC, please vote Beskar (we had the two for one deal). :bow: