And I see I was right to stay up for SoD or I would've missed out on all the fun. Will be back soon with reads.
05-22-2022, 20:19
Sunbae
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Vote: rask
05-22-2022, 20:28
Totally not Taffy
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
When I read this initially, I assumed there was no real reasoning behind this, being so early.
Now that there are more posts, is this a read you actually have at this point, and if so why?
What is your overall experience with Ender?
It was a joke in reference to the bet I lost to Roskalnikov (where I bet Ender was town and he wasn't):
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
I can get taffy in here if you want. He owes me a game because of Ender's openwolfing (:yes:) in MU qualifier lmao.
Ender is the only person here that I actually know as in have played a few games with (on Giantitp). I was always going to make that joke tbh, I like to come up with a first post before I get randed (and the reference to the "Tallest Man, Broadest Shoulders" song was always going to be the follow-up).
I'm going to re-read the game and I'll have reads after, they might be a wall.
05-22-2022, 20:35
dyachei
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
Vote: rask
reasons?
05-22-2022, 20:46
Sunbae
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
reasons?
No big case or anything. Just feels/vibes based on our last game and my reads in this one.
05-22-2022, 20:48
Totally not Taffy
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Awesome!
What sites have you played on?
A long, long time ago, when Goblins still had a forum with a gaming subforum, we played serial killer games there. More recently I've started playing proper WW on Giantitp. I have an MU account but I've not actually played there yet.
You?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Have you heard of a player called Ladd?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
:stare:
Vote: EnderWiggin
So, this exchange led me astray: I left with the wrong impression that Visor is Ladd?s alt and that?s why they weren?t amused. From there I figured that if Lantana were a wolf, they wouldn?t do something that could annoy the one player in the thread at that time who was obviously not there for funposting. But then I saw that Ladd was in the Sorceror game that Visor hosted recently and that this towny feeling I got was entirely based on the wrong premise.
On top of that, while it is good to want to know where a new player has played before so you can compare their playstyle, not reciprocating is nagl. I don?t want to call this scummy yet but it?s also not pro-town.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Ladd's presence indicates my wolfiness, got it.
Do you think Visor was being serious and is being serious or not serious more likely to indicate alignment one way or another?
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
My response is "Vague wave, shrug, glance."
Also yeah, Org is relatively laid back compared to other places.
This was an excellent question to try to get into the mindset of the other player and a typical Ender answer (and btw I?d like to take this opportunity to express how much I appreciate that you left the cryptic bastard persona at home when you were representing us in champs :heart:)
I?d prefer not to vote Lantana today tbh, despite some misgivings. Mostly so I get a chance to recover properly from my mistake and get to a read that's fair.
05-22-2022, 20:53
Sunbae
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Ender may have represented you well in champs and won and been widely regarded as awesome by all of us watching, but I would like you to know that between the two of us only one of us was part of a champs sweep. So ha! Take that.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
i was on the wrong side of the sweep :clown:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
hello darkness my old friend
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
<3 ender
05-22-2022, 20:59
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
I think a lot of times we all think others have better meta on us than they really do. Time between games, dozens and dozens of other players to remember, etc all vying for the same space and we can't remember it all. I guess what I'm saying is, I think reads of "villager them would know this is my villa range" should be used few and far between and reserved to people that have consistently gotten you correct against the grain and have shown an understanding of exactly why they were correct.
For instance, if Visor voted me on day 1 because I seemed aloof or scatterbrained, I would panic about it. He's the person that I think reads me the best out of anyone on any site I've ever played on because he genuinely understands my process, ideas, and what I aim to accomplish. And he's done it over years, in really hard spots to be right on (he villa read me after I counterclaimed angel on the angel and got them chopped ffs). That's not to say Visor voting me day 1 in general would panic me (you feel things out in werewolf and its cool) but just with that specific reasoning due to meta. Pretty much nobody else would garner that reaction from me.
As for your vote on him, I understand your pov. You thought it was weird, that he should know better, and voted. I just currently don't think it's correct (I mean maybe it is, but I just don't think the reasoning was right even if so? if that makes sense).
That's reasonable.
From what I remember in past games, back when I was a lot more easily ML'd, Visor would use things that at least at the time weren't AI as a wolf to push a ML on me, so the thought that he might be doing something similar here immediately struck me.
That said, it would be quite understandable to forget my writing and play style after over a year of time away from mafia, so what would in a context where I never left Mafia perhaps be a valid case (assuming he and I continued playing in the same games during that time), I can see not being the case here.
That said, both you and now Dya are in my villa reads, and I trust both of your judgements on Visor than I do my own, and concede the unreasonableness of my position, so I will focus elsewhere.
Better to detach from that before I get into a deathtunnel that wreaks havoc on the outcome of the game.
If you, Dya, and Visor are all villagers, this game should be pretty manageable.
05-22-2022, 21:13
Totally not Taffy
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Ok having all of my 's changed into ?s and not getting to edit sucks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I was hungry.
I got Raising Cane's, then a friend talked my ear off for hours about Star Wars and 18th century politics.
Though what you said is true, so I'm not going to contest it.
At first I liked this response and then paranoia kicked in and said "but what if it's a really good wolf who knows how to respond to early sussing in a way that seems sincere?". I come to the conclusion that playing with people I don't know is hard.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I was planning on heading out, but I figured I'd post here first, so people know that I haven't forgotten about this game altogether, being my first game on this site.
A little assurance that I won't be 0-poster.
Yes, this makes perfect sense. What made me vote for you was that coming in just to show presence when you know you're going to leave right after and without actually interacting gives the impression that you feel under pressure to show up. Being new to the site would do that (hello!).
Can I just Unvote: Mischief or do I need to immediately vote someone else?
05-22-2022, 21:14
insomnia
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
i have some time now and also have to make a sleeping vote , sad times i have no clue who to go for
sunbae can u explain the dya read? i thought them hard starting with their second post being visor village was a touch weird
lantana i remember reading your post and idk what you're asking me. i also don't know if they were shading me or wat
i kinda wanna say mischief / sunbae / visor i wouldn't yeet, kinda sucky dya and eph couldn't post more when i had time to watch thread (btw for people who don't know im euro and im only here for a few mins as well)
05-22-2022, 21:18
insomnia
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
altho dya saying "vote him if u want, just ur reasons were wrong" or smth of the sort funnily seems like a good look
05-22-2022, 21:28
Sunbae
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
That's reasonable.
From what I remember in past games, back when I was a lot more easily ML'd, Visor would use things that at least at the time weren't AI as a wolf to push a ML on me, so the thought that he might be doing something similar here immediately struck me.
That said, it would be quite understandable to forget my writing and play style after over a year of time away from mafia, so what would in a context where I never left Mafia perhaps be a valid case (assuming he and I continued playing in the same games during that time), I can see not being the case here.
That said, both you and now Dya are in my villa reads, and I trust both of your judgements on Visor than I do my own, and concede the unreasonableness of my position, so I will focus elsewhere.
Better to detach from that before I get into a deathtunnel that wreaks havoc on the outcome of the game.
If you, Dya, and Visor are all villagers, this game should be pretty manageable.
I want to be very clear here. I am not saying visor lock v never rescind sponge this read when I die. I am saying that I feel like visor has been fine, I have reasons to villa read there currently, and I don't think your reasons for voting there are quite right. The read I do think I want sponged if I die is "visor/insomnia are not w/w" because I think that entire interaction as w/w theater leads to * something * instead of the big shrug move on fest no reads either way that it was.
Quote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
i have some time now and also have to make a sleeping vote , sad times i have no clue who to go for
sunbae can u explain the dya read? i thought them hard starting with their second post being visor village was a touch weird
lantana i remember reading your post and idk what you're asking me. i also don't know if they were shading me or wat
i kinda wanna say mischief / sunbae / visor i wouldn't yeet, kinda sucky dya and eph couldn't post more when i had time to watch thread (btw for people who don't know im euro and im only here for a few mins as well)
I thought dya came in with villagery fire instead of going through the early wolf game checklist. It was a gut read in the moment, don't know how much I should listen to it really. Just felt like "oh yeah, thats the stuff" and rolled with it.
05-22-2022, 21:33
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Where I'm at with reads:
Dya, Sunbae and Visor:
I'm going to lump all three together because all three are connected in this thought process.
Sunbae I thought was independently villagery, and to an extent Dya as well.
There are only two scum, so all three can't be scum.
If all three are capable of reading each other well, and all arrive at similar conclusions as each other (Visor hasn't addressed Dya yet, but still), it's more probable that they are villagers in this instance, than it is that two of them are scum and are fooling the people in the thread who are most likely to have a correct read on them.
I think that Dya's points regarding Vsor/myself are more likely to come from a village perspective.
So despite heavily distrusting Visor push on me, I hesitantly conclude that Visor is more likely a villager.
Ender: null
Insomnia: Needs to post more
Lantana: light v read, mostly tone, will evolve as substance is provided one way or another.
Rask: null
Taffy: null
Ephemeral: not enough posts/content to have an opinion there. (what little there is seems pretty up beat and comfortable, which may be promising, but extremely inconclusive)
My D1 POE is currently largely Ender, Rask, and Taffy, I think Taffy is an outlier in this group.
Maybe Insomnia, but with as much as they are D1 wagoned, and with as little there is to dissect from them, I'm not likely voting here today, unless they show up at EOD and provide something worth wagoning.
Would like to see more from Taffy, Rask, Ender, as well as Insomnia and Ephemeral.
If Rask is scum I could potentially see Ender as the partner there, and vice versa.
It's definitely a bit of a different feel on this site.
05-22-2022, 21:34
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantana
Why is your question to me not really phrased as a question but more a demand for information? Am I wrong in thinking there isn?t some negative weight to the demand?
Nya if I misread!
I didn?t really have a particular reason for Raskolnikov nor was it to generate discussion either! Though it?s always nice when life delivers lemons as is the case right now :3
Because insomnia reasoning seems valid to me, like lanfantana had been around and had stuff to comment on, but instead decided to park on me out of an rvs vote when we have zero history. Weird.
05-22-2022, 21:35
insomnia
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Prolly gonna reread it but one wolf in Lantana/taffy.
Wondering if Visor being defensive and willing to articulate read so early is AI or a product of the 24h lenght phase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
@Ender: taffy because I am not sure his villa read on you was a joke and his ISO looks filled with posts made to post Id say.
Lantana because of the focus on visor (weird meta read from katze too lol. Visor liked it, I really didnt: i think he isnt ez to read and if you ask someone about him, you arent likely to come and sheep/use it this way). Also there is a post looking blatantly like a shade on insomnia.
Finally their early banter looked like ww to me. Dunno, it was straight up at the start, but they arent probbing or trying to figure each other out.
Now back to F1
gave rask a re-read #forsunbae. i take issue mostly with the things in red.
the first visor thing seems like a disconnected thought that wouldn't really make it in the same post where he's calling people out (this is a bit nitpicky)
the second thing he drops in "they shaded insomnia" without any explanation for why that should be wolfy. i see no gears spinning that got rask to believe it was from a wolf agenda or to attempt to distinguish between wolf / town motivation. just said lantana did it and it's supposed to be wolfy. also in the same line from the start he frames it as lantana being wolfy for focusing on visor, then he adds the most important part about why that should be wolfy (the katze meta) like it would be a plus to the visor thing. it just doesn't seem..genuine tho im sure there's a better word
normally i'd place this on the backburner and ponder upon but i really have to go and place a vote
Vote : Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 21:36
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
I want to be very clear here. I am not saying visor lock v never rescind sponge this read when I die. I am saying that I feel like visor has been fine, I have reasons to villa read there currently, and I don't think your reasons for voting there are quite right. The read I do think I want sponged if I die is "visor/insomnia are not w/w" because I think that entire interaction as w/w theater leads to * something * instead of the big shrug move on fest no reads either way that it was.
I thought dya came in with villagery fire instead of going through the early wolf game checklist. It was a gut read in the moment, don't know how much I should listen to it really. Just felt like "oh yeah, thats the stuff" and rolled with it.
I know, there's no reason to lock V Visor in almost any instance this early in the game.
Still, it's probably better for now to avoid getting into a tunnel on his slot, and if he is a villager, the game is better off having him alive.
Still, for the time being I feel comfortable accepting that I may have been wrong on my assessment and solving outside of that.
Because insomnia reasoning seems valid to me, like lanfantana had been around and had stuff to comment on, but instead decided to park on me out of an rvs vote when we have zero history. Weird.
i'll be honest i did call this out too, it's def omega weird ~:handball:
05-22-2022, 21:38
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by insomnia
gave rask a re-read #forsunbae. i take issue mostly with the things in red.
the first visor thing seems like a disconnected thought that wouldn't really make it in the same post where he's calling people out (this is a bit nitpicky)
the second thing he drops in "they shaded insomnia" without any explanation for why that should be wolfy. i see no gears spinning that got rask to believe it was from a wolf agenda or to attempt to distinguish between wolf / town motivation. just said lantana did it and it's supposed to be wolfy. also in the same line from the start he frames it as lantana being wolfy for focusing on visor, then he adds the most important part about why that should be wolfy (the katze meta) like it would be a plus to the visor thing. it just doesn't seem..genuine tho im sure there's a better word
normally i'd place this on the backburner and ponder upon but i really have to go and place a vote
Vote : Raskolnikov
Read the post above this one?
05-22-2022, 21:45
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Ok having all of my 's changed into ?s and not getting to edit sucks.
At first I liked this response and then paranoia kicked in and said "but what if it's a really good wolf who knows how to respond to early sussing in a way that seems sincere?". I come to the conclusion that playing with people I don't know is hard.
Yes, this makes perfect sense. What made me vote for you was that coming in just to show presence when you know you're going to leave right after and without actually interacting gives the impression that you feel under pressure to show up. Being new to the site would do that (hello!).
Can I just Unvote: Mischief or do I need to immediately vote someone else?
I could understand why someone would be paranoid of that, so I didn't think it was suspicious to vote there.
I never mind all that much votes that seem to come from an understandable perspective since I assume they will get more of a feel for things as time progresses.
Also, hi
05-22-2022, 21:48
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Mischief: why am I POE lol?
because it's process of elimination.
If Sunbae/Dya/Visor are out, and I have a light V read on Lantana pushing them out of it, that's 4 people.
I don't have a bad feeling about Insomnia thus far, but want to see more from them (and they are active rn), so I'm giving that slot some time.
Ephemeral hasn't posted enough to have much of an opinion either way, but I don't want to vote there rn at least (subject to change depending on whether they are active around EOD and what I see from them)
So that leaves a relatively narrow pool of people and you are in it.
It's literally just process of elimination, and not a huge group of people.
05-22-2022, 21:49
dyachei
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
insomnia probably off to a good start. I think his suspicion of my entrance (and sunbae's read on it) is probably more likely to come from him as a villager
05-22-2022, 21:54
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
I like my wagon tbh.
05-22-2022, 21:55
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
It is baseless, but certainly worth it down the road.
Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Mischief, Totally not Taffy
Day 1 ends in
Unvoting is fine, just make sure I can see it easily (so unvote: x or vote: unvote, something like that since i ctrl+f "vote:").
PM me or message me on discord if there are any errors.
05-22-2022, 22:01
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
vote: Visor
Reason: I don't believe that this is a real read from you.
We have played over the course of 6 years, during that time you have seen a plethora of games from me from both sides, on both sides.
The stiff writing style comment might resonate with someone entirely unfamiliar with me, since I have literally received comments players who didn't know me about it in the last two full games I have played (on MU, and can link if needed. One wolf game, and one as village PR).
Additionally, it is something people have commented on when unfamiliar at other points in the past.
It is something that is not alignment indicative at all, and someone who has played with me not just a few quite quite a few times, would know this well.
Someone with that much experience would also be well aware of the fact I've never been much of an interrogative player, but rather than observational player, with questions forming more sparsely when I have more to work with.
This is a consistent enough fact about me that it could even be used to describe my social style as a whole. (which is probably not great, but c'est la viei)
Lastly, I am less committal on reads than I am as wolf, by a pretty fair margin, especially with such minimal information as is present in a lower volume game.
Conclusion: you are voting me for things that are either not alignment indicative or are in my villa range, and while I would be perfectly fine with a vote for me based on a legitimate case or grievance, I see no legitimacy in this, thus you are a wolf.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
That is true, I was gone for quite a while, so perhaps I am being a bit unfair in that respect. I don't retain meta enormously well either, so I'm fairly certain I had something of a reset upon returning.
I'll unvote for now and mull it over. unvote: Visor
I don't like this unvote: the strenght and articulation of the read don't go well with the quick turnaround when called out about it. Also the bold sentence doesn't come from the same brain who wrote the first post lol.
05-22-2022, 22:02
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
vote: Mischief
05-22-2022, 22:04
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
just quickly went through stuff, found sunbae lightly villagery
ditto his sentiment about dya's entrance feeling good
not particularly enamoured with visors posts for reasons i can't find a way to articulate, but both dya and sunbae liking him is good enough for me to give him a pass till I can actually get into the headspace to dive into stuff properly
lantana has been... marginally ok
the way mischief handled his visor seems alright, #168 and the first paragraph of #173 being what i mainly refer to here, overall feel fine about the slot atm
had a good kneejerk reaction to insomnia, not conclusive by any means but would not kill d1
ender/taffy/rask is the group i feel the most meh about out of the bunch and am probably fine with voting in today
05-22-2022, 22:10
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Taffy still a wolf. Lanfantana would like to come back to chat (fun fact brought by Raskol - chat is the French word for cat)
lol Sunbae (sorry I can't articulate this read better tbh. but this is my guenine reaction to your vote when I return and explain where I am about Lanfantana -since you asked - and you vote me)
Dya null
visor null
Ender light villa (for tiny reasons, but I can generally accuratly read him scum when he is, and I am not pinged yet so there is that)
Ephe prolly villa (this is a bad activity read)
insomnia prolly not ww with lanfantana.
05-22-2022, 22:12
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
now I see #166 and #169 and it gives me a bit of pause on taffy, purely on vibes I like these a little bit
05-22-2022, 22:13
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Taffy still a wolf. Lanfantana would like to come back to chat (fun fact brought by Raskol - chat is the French word for cat)
lol Sunbae (sorry I can't articulate this read better tbh. but this is my guenine reaction to your vote when I return and explain where I am about Lanfantana -since you asked - and you vote me)
Dya null
visor null
Ender light villa (for tiny reasons, but I can generally accuratly read him scum when he is, and I am not pinged yet so there is that) Ephe prolly villa (this is a bad activity read)
insomnia prolly not ww with lanfantana.
i am confusion
05-22-2022, 22:13
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
just quickly went through stuff, found sunbae lightly villagery
ditto his sentiment about dya's entrance feeling good
not particularly enamoured with visors posts for reasons i can't find a way to articulate, but both dya and sunbae liking him is good enough for me to give him a pass till I can actually get into the headspace to dive into stuff properly
lantana has been... marginally ok
the way mischief handled his visor seems alright, #168 and the first paragraph of #173 being what i mainly refer to here, overall feel fine about the slot atm
had a good kneejerk reaction to insomnia, not conclusive by any means but would not kill d1
ender/taffy/rask is the group i feel the most meh about out of the bunch and am probably fine with voting in today
meh :bow:
05-22-2022, 22:14
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
i am confusion
you 0 post as a wolf?
05-22-2022, 22:15
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
you 0 post as a wolf?
fairly certain i don't have any kind of activity tells that lean either way
so where'd you get that from?
05-22-2022, 22:16
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
but y, it's a bad read lol (I guess irl happens)
05-22-2022, 22:17
Totally not Taffy
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
So Visor did a sudden mood switch that pinged me I hope I can explain it properly (all quotes spoilered for length). At the start they don?t interact with the off-topic posting at all and seem intent to steer the conversation towards proper mafia play instead of shitposting:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Hello. :curtain:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
who are you on mu?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
:stare:
Vote: EnderWiggin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
taffy seems like a villager yolo
This unsollicited read creeped me out btw, I really don?t think anyone should be able to tell the difference between a yolo villager or someone really excited to have randed wolf (and posting empty content). It felt like either a pocketing attempt or bait, and since it was 3am at that point I didn?t feel like figuring out which. I also don?t like how they later explained it both as a lazy throwaway read and as an attempt to get me posting more on-topic.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Re taffy, I just did it because newer player I think and posted a bunch at the start, small stuff but figured if villa they might bounce off it. They went to bed apparently so I guess not. And they didn't really talk about the game so I guess no read there is fairer. Or rather I want to see how they approach solving overnight.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
it was just a lazy early read because they were posting a bunch and didnt seem concerned about posting game content
(but i think its probably a silly read, i kinda just made it to try and spark something in the game)
Then later Sunbae shows up (my read on Sunbae btw is ?probably town, because they described their wolf play as nefarious and slimy and none of their posts feel that way?). Sunbae explicitly says to Insomnia that they?re down to get the ball rolling on actual play, then starts a conversation about DnD with Ender, which Visor decides to hijack (and note that they still ignore Ender completely)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I have managed to make the cancelling more like 10-15% so I'm actually pretty happy. But also kinda sad that it did get cancelled.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
10-15% is incredible really. Super jealous of your squad being able to do that. We had a stretch where we went like two months without a cancellation and then it just fell apart where we'd go two weeks cancelled, a half session cause someone said they just weren't feeling it, a cancelled session, a full session, then repeat for a few months until we kinda just ... stopped.
Put it this way: we're currently on Hiatus for the last 5 months and if we don't finish by October it will be 4 years of playing curse of strahd lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Sounds like you found the true curse of strahd
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
Do you know how hard I laughed when the FFB crew started talking about doing curse of strahd? im like nah, i think ive had enough of that for a lifetime lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
We'll see if they can keep it together or if schedules/desire to play breaks it up. Little worried it's just gonna collapse after 1-2 sessions.
(Like the 'oh that was fun we should do this again sometime' that turns into never)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
I hope it ends up being something they stick with and have fun with. D&D is such a good time if you can keep it going (plus I'd love to play later in the year when my schedule opens up and they are on a different module)
I might even throw my DM hat into the ring later to run one of the MTG modules (or even a more custom one that I designed years ago when we thought we'd be playing our games every week)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Custom sunbae module eh?
The gang does persona 5 :p
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
Actually no! I did a custom module for MTG Amonkhet. They have a module for it themselves but I ended up taking it off into a very different direction using their stuff as a baseline.
So... is Visor just socially awkward around new people and Sunbae the only one here they feel comfortable talking to? Are the rest of us not good enough for chit-chat? Did Ender ask to take over the conversation in wolf chat because he?s scared Sunbae will find him out?
(there were posts about actual game-related stuff inbetween the conversation that I didn?t copy, I wanted to show the difference between their posting before and after)
I also thought their response to Lantana?s vote was overly defensive. For someone who professes to be aware of how they are perceived and to purposely work towards a certain perception, that seems like an odd choice.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I am aware of everything I post? I don't make idle posts in ww games, even posts that seem lazy and noncontributive are done with an eye towards how I think I will be perceived, how I want to be perceived and how I need to be perceived.
Any villager worth their salt should be consider their posts.
Fascinating that katze gave meta on me, not sure they've really seen me as a wolf . Are you a foler?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I don't see an issue with being diplomatic in 24 hours phases either, I didn't want to get into a brawl with insomnia over a misunderstanding of a post, especially because in a few hours I'll be afk till near EOD.
Whether his read on me was something he actually believed or something he thought he could push until I closed it down is something I remain uncertain of
(That all said, lol using someone else's meta interpretation to read me instead of just reading my posts)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Er to be clear on this: I'm not saying I'm some sort of ww mastermind, just that yes I am self aware and I don't think being self aware is wolfy
And then there were some very weird mindmelds that gave me pause.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Not sure what to think of mischief taking three posts to check out lol, but I'll see what happens overnight
This is echoing my own reasoning for my initial vote.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Oh I think what they meant re simpsoning was mischief showing up and then leaving immediately like the gif
Yes this is exactly what I meant, so if you?re town it?s appreciated.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
So from the posters so far, that's where I'm leaning, but I'm loathe to make a wolf read with 3 zero posters so far. I will be voting one of them if we have 2 or more at EOD, fwiw
I have never met anyone else before who felt the same way I do about voting people who aren?t present D1. It?s something that?s been discussed repeatedly on Giantitp and definitely something Ender knows.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Nah Taffy has me pocketed.
Oh dear.
Tl,dr: I?m having a tinfoil w/w read on Visor and Ender and I?m going to hate being wrong.
Vote: Visor
05-22-2022, 22:22
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
fairly certain i don't have any kind of activity tells that lean either way
so where'd you get that from?
dunno tbh. I read games and you don't seem to be that kind of person to potato as a wolf.
05-22-2022, 22:23
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Beside, I specifically said it was a bad read, so don't make it sound like it is a big thing :bow:
05-22-2022, 22:23
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
but y, it's a bad read lol (I guess irl happens)
pretty much the bolded yes
I take issue with it entirely because I can't think of anything historically that would prompt someone to read me in that direction so it looks like the read is tacked on there just because, as opposed to it being a real read you'd form on any reasonable basis
05-22-2022, 22:28
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
@taffy: "my read on Sunbae btw is ?probably town, because they described their wolf play as nefarious and slimy and none of their posts feel that way?"
I was reading your post and found this lol. Are you serious?
05-22-2022, 22:33
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
taffy, I think Visor is in villa range. Yes he can be socailly awkward while playing mafia (sorry bronana :curtain:) and yeeeting low posters is fairly common in this galaxy so linking them with Ender because of it is meh I think.
@taffy: "my read on Sunbae btw is ?probably town, because they described their wolf play as nefarious and slimy and none of their posts feel that way?"
I was reading your post and found this lol. Are you serious?
It might be weirdly phrased, but Sunbae's posts don't feel like they're trying to control the thread, if that's better. Though I have noticed that they're defending Visor when others voted there, but then, they might just be right and I could be wrong.
05-22-2022, 22:41
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
pretty much the bolded yes
I take issue with it entirely because I can't think of anything historically that would prompt someone to read me in that direction so it looks like the read is tacked on there just because, as opposed to it being a real read you'd form on any reasonable basis
I can totally form reads on unreasonable basis, and it's not AI. (because out of the blue it's a villa thing, and me being very self-aware, I can totally do these as a wolf too so yeah, deal with that. Or rather don't, use other stuff to read me :p)
05-22-2022, 22:44
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
taffy, do you have other(s) wolf read(s)?
05-22-2022, 22:46
Totally not Taffy
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
taffy, I think Visor is in villa range. Yes he can be socailly awkward while playing mafia (sorry bronana :curtain:) and yeeeting low posters is fairly common in this galaxy so linking them with Ender because of it is meh I think.
I just wanted to express a deep appreciation for reading my post. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "villa range" sounds like "yeah they could post this way while villager" not "they wouldn't post this way when wolf".
I feel like we've seen very little from anyone that could not happily live in their wolf/town overlap, but as I said I don't know most of you.
05-22-2022, 22:48
Totally not Taffy
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
taffy, do you have other(s) wolf read(s)?
Not yet, but I have two hours ~;)
05-22-2022, 22:49
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
you know when people voting you have no reasons to do it and there are at least 3 other players who are just sheeping them saying "meh", "POE", etc...
Who are the wolves?
05-22-2022, 22:51
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
POE talks D1 are bad because they generally come from wolves struggling to fake cases or escape TMI, so I guess I will reread this slot (is it insomnia or Mischief?)
05-22-2022, 22:53
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Not yet, but I have two hours ~;)
wolfy "but I have". Why do you feel this way?
05-22-2022, 22:54
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
wolfy "but I have". Why do you feel this way?
nvm, I misread you taffy :wowee:
05-22-2022, 22:55
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
ya most likely will be asleep by eod so I'm gonna have to pick a lane in a bit
@Visor if you're around can you gimme something on rask here? iirc you had some slam dunk reads on him before
05-22-2022, 22:55
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
(not to say I am convinced by your case or your ISO tbh, but there are too many people gearing up for my ML for me not to take a closer look lol)
05-22-2022, 22:56
Totally not Taffy
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
you know when people voting you have no reasons to do it and there are at least 3 other players who are just sheeping them saying "meh", "POE", etc...
Not Voting: dyachei, Ephemeral, insomnia, Mischief, Totally not Taffy
Day 1 ends in
Unvoting is fine, just make sure I can see it easily (so unvote: x or vote: unvote, something like that since i ctrl+f "vote:").
PM me or message me on discord if there are any errors.
But if four people have done so over the course of the day, the wolf is the one that strikes you as the most opportunistic. Also these are not even proper wagons, one wolf can just decide who gets yeeted. Is this thread about to burst into activity in its final hour?
05-22-2022, 23:04
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Only two people are voting you atm.
But if four people have done so over the course of the day, the wolf is the one that strikes you as the most opportunistic. Also these are not even proper wagons, one wolf can just decide who gets yeeted. Is this thread about to burst into activity in its final hour?
Yeah two yolo votes, but Mischief, insomnia and Ephemeral have expressed sus.
That's where I am coming from.
NGL, they all look opportunistic to me. Even Ephe, since he is making a big deal about something I typically posted as a not serious thing, and also assuming weird stuff (like villagers form reasonable reads lol when he should know better). He could be a pinged villager (ego reading is a thing really), but that could be agenda too. I want to see where he goes from there and what he thinks about other slots.
05-22-2022, 23:05
dyachei
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
vote: enderwiggin
05-22-2022, 23:06
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
RN I am good with Mischief though (I checked he is the one having me in his POE despite being null... curiously low posters aren't null, they don't deserve a read and are basically out of the yeet pool, smh)
I don't like this unvote: the strenght and articulation of the read don't go well with the quick turnaround when called out about it. Also the bold sentence doesn't come from the same brain who wrote the first post lol.
There is a lot of context behind all of that.
I have known Visor for years, so I had that reaction, but I was also reminded of the fact that with my extensive break (I left mafia completely and discord groups as well from late 2020 until early this year) may leave people I have known for quite a while with little memory of what my meta is.
That's a fair assessment that was made, and Dya mentioning it has some weight, since we just played a game, and I could see some truth in them saying they didn't remember my meta well going into that game, drawing a parallel between her position and Visor's.
I unvoted and mulled it over, and concluded over a bowl of tonkotsu ramen that I was probably playing unreasonable expectations upon Visor and thus was being unfair in my assessment.
My initial assessment of Visor would absolutely stand in such a case as Visor having a distinct idea of my play, but given the amount of time, I can't assume that he would remember it as well as I may have thought he would.
05-22-2022, 23:08
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
like if Mischief is a red, we should turbo Ephemeral because of this post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
Where I'm at with reads:
Dya, Sunbae and Visor:
I'm going to lump all three together because all three are connected in this thought process.
Sunbae I thought was independently villagery, and to an extent Dya as well.
There are only two scum, so all three can't be scum.
If all three are capable of reading each other well, and all arrive at similar conclusions as each other (Visor hasn't addressed Dya yet, but still), it's more probable that they are villagers in this instance, than it is that two of them are scum and are fooling the people in the thread who are most likely to have a correct read on them.
I think that Dya's points regarding Vsor/myself are more likely to come from a village perspective.
So despite heavily distrusting Visor push on me, I hesitantly conclude that Visor is more likely a villager.
Ender: null
Insomnia: Needs to post more
Lantana: light v read, mostly tone, will evolve as substance is provided one way or another.
Rask: null
Taffy: null
Ephemeral: not enough posts/content to have an opinion there. (what little there is seems pretty up beat and comfortable, which may be promising, but extremely inconclusive)
My D1 POE is currently largely Ender, Rask, and Taffy, I think Taffy is an outlier in this group.
Maybe Insomnia, but with as much as they are D1 wagoned, and with as little there is to dissect from them, I'm not likely voting here today, unless they show up at EOD and provide something worth wagoning.
Would like to see more from Taffy, Rask, Ender, as well as Insomnia and Ephemeral.
If Rask is scum I could potentially see Ender as the partner there, and vice versa.
It's definitely a bit of a different feel on this site.
05-22-2022, 23:13
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
POE talks D1 are bad because they generally come from wolves struggling to fake cases or escape TMI, so I guess I will reread this slot (is it insomnia or Mischief?)
I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine. Vote: Raskolnikov
05-22-2022, 23:13
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
There is a lot of context behind all of that.
I have known Visor for years, so I had that reaction, but I was also reminded of the fact that with my extensive break (I left mafia completely and discord groups as well from late 2020 until early this year) may leave people I have known for quite a while with little memory of what my meta is.
That's a fair assessment that was made, and Dya mentioning it has some weight, since we just played a game, and I could see some truth in them saying they didn't remember my meta well going into that game, drawing a parallel between her position and Visor's.
I unvoted and mulled it over, and concluded over a bowl of tonkotsu ramen that I was probably playing unreasonable expectations upon Visor and thus was being unfair in my assessment.
My initial assessment of Visor would absolutely stand in such a case as Visor having a distinct idea of my play, but given the amount of time, I can't assume that he would remember it as well as I may have thought he would.
thanks for the context :)
I'd like to hear what @Visorslash thinks about it I guess. (we are all different and I want to know if he believes you here)
05-22-2022, 23:14
dyachei
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
rask seems a lot different than the game on TS where we were w/w
05-22-2022, 23:14
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Vote: EnderWiggins
05-22-2022, 23:15
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine. Vote: Raskolnikov
Ephemera and me are different people btw
05-22-2022, 23:18
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I think it's rather absurd that you claim POE talks D1 are bad.
I know Dya, Sunbae, Visor, Insomnia, and to a lesser extent Ephemera.
Logically, I need to find wolves, and if I can't immediately figure out wolves, I'll figure out villagers, and from that pool of villagers, remove them from the pool of suspects, and find the wolves within that POE.
The fact you take issue with it sounds like you have a problem with D1 solving, which is your problem, not mine. Vote: Raskolnikov
I don't take issue specifically about it. I think your turnaround was weird and POE reads D1 is just a fairly common place to hide for wolves :shrug:
I don't have a problem with D1 solving.
I have no problem rn.
lol this post. jeebus
05-22-2022, 23:19
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeral
Ephemera and me are different people btw
Oh, shit, I was confusing you two.
RIP
05-22-2022, 23:21
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
I don't take issue specifically about it. I think your turnaround was weird and POE reads D1 is just a fairly common place to hide for wolves :shrug:
I don't have a problem with D1 solving.
I have no problem rn.
lol this post. jeebus
If you have no problem with D1 solving, then please, explain what the problem is with having a POE.
05-22-2022, 23:21
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
rask seems a lot different than the game on TS where we were w/w
Different how?
05-22-2022, 23:23
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
Oh, shit, I was confusing you two.
RIP
that's a classic:2thumbsup:
05-22-2022, 23:27
Visor
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Hello
05-22-2022, 23:27
dyachei
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
Different how?
he's more in tune with what's happening
05-22-2022, 23:29
Mischief
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
like if Mischief is a red, we should turbo Ephemeral because of this post
I don't understand this post at all.
Completely stepping away from the fact I'm not a wolf, let's pretend I am.
How is that post damning to Ephemeral?
This seems like you are grasping for straws.
They would be in my POE if I were scum.
05-22-2022, 23:30
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
could be pure recency bias but I've liked most of taffy's recent posts so I think i'm good with saying i don't want to go there today
05-22-2022, 23:31
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
If you have no problem with D1 solving, then please, explain what the problem is with having a POE.
I think I made that clear in the post you quoted, but oh well.
what I find weird about your slot is the conjunction of the turnaround on Visor AND the lack of wolf reads.
POE is fine globally, but D1 is the moment of the game wolves don't have anything to go by and when it's harder for them to fake solve. (later they have flips and other people cases to chat about and build on)
So it's not uncommon to catch a wolf spamming TRs or nulls D1 and working by POE (because that's easier to fake lol).
also Dya meant I am polarised ;)
05-22-2022, 23:33
EnderWiggin
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I'll read back, if I glossed over something last night, but what is your overall read on that slot? (beyond simply voting for pressure/wolfreading)
Guv, there's fur here.
05-22-2022, 23:33
EnderWiggin
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
(That was about Lantana not Mischief, clarifying as I see there's a bit of Mischief sus going on.)
05-22-2022, 23:35
dyachei
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
I think I made that clear in the post you quoted, but oh well.
what I find weird about your slot is the conjunction of the turnaround on Visor AND the lack of wolf reads.
POE is fine globally, but D1 is the moment of the game wolves don't have anything to go by and when it's harder for them to fake solve. (later they have flips and other people cases to chat about and build on)
So it's not uncommon to catch a wolf spamming TRs or nulls D1 and working by POE (because that's easier to fake lol).
also Dya meant I am polarised ;)
idk about that. I dont remember your village game so much as I remember how out of sync you were (before the thing happened) in our wolf game.
05-22-2022, 23:35
Raskolnikov
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mischief
I don't understand this post at all.
Completely stepping away from the fact I'm not a wolf, let's pretend I am.
How is that post damning to Ephemeral?
This seems like you are grasping for straws.
They would be in my POE if I were scum.
Because they should be null :shrug: (and not left out)
Admittedly, this is maybe a personal thing (for me or you :p)
05-22-2022, 23:37
Ephemeral
Re: Sufjan 10er [Game Thread]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
Because they should be null :shrug: (and not left out)
Admittedly, this is maybe a personal thing (for me or you :p)
looking back on it I do agree with this tbh, it's def bit too wordy for what should've been a null read lol
