I'm looking to start a new campaign with one of the successor states, but hate starting with big empires, so not AS or Ptols. Which do you all think is the best (and most fun) to play?
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I'm looking to start a new campaign with one of the successor states, but hate starting with big empires, so not AS or Ptols. Which do you all think is the best (and most fun) to play?
I love Makedons unit roster. Very high quality units. Playing as Epieros would be fun although there is more of a dependency on levies early on I would think due to proximity to Illyria. Both also have the choice of expanding east or west, or both. Baktria looks like fun, but, I've had enough of dealing with endless waves of Pahlav and Saka family members for the time after playing AS. I would go with either Makedon or Epieros.
I vote armenia because they are more a very capable race for various styls of expansion.
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Originally Posted by Ghaust the Moor
Bactria.
Pretty good challenge with those Seleukids, Sakas and Phalav.
Good unit roster.
Good economy later on.
Weel second to me would be those Makedons, They have acces to Thracian units, they have their good phalanxes, good cavalry. that´s all i can think about for now. Hope you enjoy EB. Seeya.:2thumbsup:
Pontos if you want an insane challenge :sweatdrop:
Although it's not an actual diadochi faction, it can field similar armies.
I say you go for Makedonia if you're not very experienced with phalanx-based factions. They have lots of potential, hold a strategic position on the map and have excellent troops to choose from. You just have to outlast Epeiros and crush the Koinon Hellenon at the beginning and after that, the possibilities of expansion are endless.Quote:
Originally Posted by madbriton
And guys, Hayasdan isn't a Successor Kingdom.
Maion
I'll allow Hayasdan and KH if you like
OK. Even so, I still keep my initial suggestion. For the same reasons aforementioned.
Maion
Baktria, although it was the campaign that I play now. Well, great unit rooster and good bodyguard in the late game
Pontos, every day in the weak!
I say Pontos too :beam:
My favorite successor is Makedonia. They're hella fun to play!
Epeiros. Pontos would be more fun if their roster wasn't garbage, but most of it is. Hayasdan is cool too, but hard given that you start right next to the AS heartland.
Epiros or Makedonia are great if you want a Mediterranean based campaign, as is KH. Bactria I highly recommend if you want something... different.
All hail Makedonia! Makedonia is a great faction to do. They have a challenging starting position, but if you make it through the start, you have great possibilities. Makedonia has sweet elites(Peltastai Makedonike, Hypaspistai), sweet waaaarg choppa troops(Basternae, Agrianikoi Pelekuphoroi, Thrakioi Peltastai), sweet phalanxes(Argyraspides, Hysteroi Pezhetairoi), sweet heavy cav(Hetairoi, Hippeis Thessalikoi), and sweet Greek units(Hoplitai, etc.). You can pwn those annoyinng Spartans, burn the Acropolis of Athens, kill elephants, restore Alexandros's body to it's right resting place, and get awesome allied armies of Thracian romphaias. But that's not the best part. No, the best part is being able to send the dog-sucking Romani filth to their ancestors. Sacking Roma 5 times. Burning down every destroyable building. Each time. Watching as the flames rise. Then leaving and coming back 20 years later with a full stack of Basternae when Roma is rebuilt. There is no sweeter sight than that of a falx slicing through the fancy armour of the Roman legions, watching as those bast**** fall to their deaths from the walls. Watching with joy the slaughter of thousands of pathetic Barbaroi, as all of their fancy armor does not protect them from the falxes of the Basternae. Watching as unarmored troops kick the ***es of well armored Romans. Watching as their arms are cleaved from their bodies. And then sacking Roma again. That is the best part of any Makedonia campaign. All hail Makedonia!
I'd recommend playing the Maks rather than Baktria. Baktria's got an awesome unit roster, the enemies you face are pretty varied, and they start out with great expansion prospects. But any war with the Saka or AS can just get exhausting after awhile, IMHO. Makedonia, on the other hand, starts out exciting with the whole "crisis of 272" thing, pretty fun way to open a campaign, and they stay interesting because you can drive into Anatolia and Italy, where the enemies are different and not pushovers but at the same time you don't have to fight exhausting HA battles or the full brunt of the Gray Death. And there's always the route north, too.
Well, well if it 'aint another Romaioktonos in heart. Why don't you click on my signature and join out noble Group?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Augustus
Maion
Thats the entrance exam? All people have to do is write All Hail Makedonia in rather obnoxiously large text and they can enter your Group?
*Snipe sarcastic remark about modern politics goes here*
Well, since you ruled out AS and AP, there's only one successor left and that's Makedonia.
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Originally Posted by Julius Augustus
O hai Satalexton, howz it going? :smash:
Welcome to the forum Azathoth.
I would say Baktria, and Eperios, even though it is not exactly a successor state. Close enough however. It is Hellenic and it was highly influenced by Alexander, as Pyrrhus served as a bodyguard of one of Megas Alexandros' generals.
And yes, welcome to the forums Azathoth :laugh4::shifty::sweatdrop:
Baktria.
I mean, thank you! :yes:
Assert our rightous freedom!Quote:
Originally Posted by Azathoth
Lores of heroic deeds,
Long live our Basileus!
O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!
High above on Olympus,
Almighty Zeus guides on!
Immortal beacons of Truth,
Lucid as the sea!
O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!
March our brave Hetairos,
Arche of Truth and Hope.
King of Kings All Gaia,
East to West he reigns.
Dominion upon barbaroi,
Our Basileus pushes on!
Never will he be overthrown,
Invincible his Agema.
All Hail Makedonia!
O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!
Definitely not Makedonia in the sense of War with Romani.... Epeiros kick Roman ass first and foremost!!! but Pyrrhos still claims the title of Basileus of Makedonia....
Well, just want to said all hail Makedonia!!! , but they wasn't the best "Small sucessors" since they are allready "big"
*) instant capture of Athenai, kicking Spartans, and start reclaimin Pella isn't a definition worth of "small sucessor"....
Makedonia is a "Medium Sucessor"
So the best "small sucessor" in my mind is Baktria!!! they had 1 prov to start, and get a lot of tough time evading the Grey death, while beating Pahlavans and Saka...
play as saroumate
Baktria, Epeiros, Pontos, Hayasdan successor states??
:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:
Baktria could possibly be termed as such.... The others are certainly not in the sense of Diadochoi... but they are in the sense that they are in competition state. The pahlava and the Hay (and maybe pontos) could be termed as succesors of the persian empire....
edit: hey dutchhoplite... are you actually dutch.... Cause I am....
Jaja, ben Nederlands ;)
Baktria can be called a Successor state, I believe. They were a Seleucid Satrapy that rebelled from them, so I guess they encompass the title better. Pontos and Hayasdan certainly not. As for Epeiros, it had always been a free allied state to the Macedonians, right? So no "real" Successor State but certainly heavily influenced by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchhoplite
En hij is niet de enige. Half-Nederlands hier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reality=Chaos
Maion
zijn er veel anderen? BTW I find people chatting in their native language often annoying, so I'll keep to english (well not in PM's obviously)
Baktria: many fighting styles, like heavy cavalry, hammer and anvil, missile power, elephant steamrolling, light assault armies.... a lot of fun.
:dizzy2: I never figured you as dutch Maion (or half dutch)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Greek, to be precise. Born in the Netherlands, but raised in Greece. Greek father, Dutch mother. An Heterogenes, speaking in EB-terms :tongue:
Anyway, sorry for the OT-chat.
Maion
How owuld class Pontos:inquisitive:? It was persian but heavily hellenized... also they were obviously a result Alexanders conquests... so not a diadochoi state as such, but you could say it was a successor state Maybe?
About half the org or so are either Dutch or Belgian. Most spoken language here besides English is Dutch :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Reality=Chaos
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My favourite faction is Baktria. If in looking for a small successor you want a tricky starting position then I would go with Baktria. Makedonia already starts off in a fairly strong position, it is still threatened but not to the extent of Baktria which is constantly threatened by AS, phalav, and saka. Plus Baktria can get early access to those beautiful indus and indo-hellenic units.
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Originally Posted by miotas
OK I'm mean, but I had to laugh about this. What you wrote means: "Hail (as in weather-terms) in the west, King!"
Maion
Now that I think about it. There was Thrace. It got dogpiled by all the other Successors though in hilarious fashion.
ROFLMAO!!!!!! :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
:oops: Wrong hail :embarassed:
You're going to get me in trouble Maion. It's getting rather late here and I'm sure I just woke up the whole house with my laughter. :laugh4: :smash:
And to imagine I never ever noticed that.... I thought there were a lot of Yanks on here tbh:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conradus
Go either Makedonia or Pontos. Except Pontos is really hard.
I see too much love for the maks..but they are just a bunch of sissy greeks, so play Pontos instead, it is a lot more challenging and you have the best things from both the hellenes and persians! :yes:
When Pontos or Armenia is a successor state, than are the Romaioi as well. Or Sweboz. Or Casse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucefalo
Probably; Tellos Athenaios, Intrepid Adventurer and myself are also Dutch.
I kinda disagree.... Pontos Came about because of Alexanders conquest, and in quite a few ways the Hay could be seen as a successor of the previous persian empire... not diadochoi for sure, but successors nonethelessQuote:
Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus
i think, if you are looking for a real challenge, then baktria or pontos are good. they have good, makedonian style armies, but are surrounded by AS.
for a challenge, but some variety, i like Epiros a lot. it is my favorite non-baktria faction. simply put, it has a mix of every culture in it, and as a result, has a lot of different types of troops and mercenaries to recrtuit.
I always found Makedonia rather dull. My favourite Successor-ish factions are Epeiros and Baktria. Baktria is potentially the most stylish RTS-faction ever! Can't wait for the EBII-Baktrians! :2thumbsup:
i found makedonia to be rather boring as well
It's like you're trying to provoke Sax and Maion...
To be fair, its like playing a better version of the KH and conquering in the opposite direction before basically doing the same exact thing and expanding into Thrace, Asia, and around the Black Sea...
:-\
.....except you get mostly phalanx units rather than hoplites.......
Hence 'better'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prussian Iron
one other option... one guy decided to play the AS and he disbanded all of his troops and let every city rebel except Antioch... that would be another option, create your own small successor kingdom.
not neccessarily. if you are the kind of player i am-line infantry vs line infnatry til 1 side wins- then yes, they are better.Quote:
Originally Posted by option
however, if you are a player who likes using geurilla attacks and constantly out-flanks your enemy, then hoplites are a more flexible, faster force you can easily maneuver out of a battle and right back in.
thats 1 reason i like epieros: they get both.
I think you fail to understand "Hammer and Anvil" tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prussian Iron
The Maks get hoplites too, just limited to Haploi and Classicals. At the end of the day, that's all you need.
Thorakitai Hoplitae are very powerful with their AP swords though. Other than that the high end hoplites aren't cost effective at all except as some sort of reserve.
Noooooo, Strategos Machinoros... :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by machinor
Maion
Philromaio arse-weasels.
Baktra, indeed is fun to play. Almost Equal to the Fatherland if it weren't the fact that it's not as easy to burn Barbaropolis due to the distance....(but i've accomplished it nonetheless)
The problem with Thorakitai Hoplitai is that they always use their swords. I've never seen them use spears - they just immediately switch weapons.
correct me if im wrong, but i believe they simply throw thier spears then charge; since they are not a phalanx unit, if their primar weapon is a spear, they will always use a spear unless throwing another weapon.
Glad you want to be corrected. You are wrong. Thorakitai Hoplitai don't throw javelins. They have an underhand spear and an AP sword. Just like the Basilikon Agema.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prussian Iron
I think you are thinking of the Thorakitai unit:inquisitive: not the thorakitai hoplitai oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Prussian Iron
Indeed, I believe PI confused the Thorakitai with the all-different Thorakitai Hoplitai. The former emulate Romaioi tactics by throwing heavy javelins and then charging with spears, while the latter are elite reformed hoplites of the Koinon Hellenon. The Thorakitai Hoplitai are like Iphikrateans, with a dory and kopis as primary and secondary weapons.
Oh, and I've seen the Thorakitai Hoplitai use spears. Iphikratides as well. They form up in guard mode and use their spears in the open when I fight them.
Maion
I'd go with Baktria, it's a bit distant but is a nice challenge. The only real problem with it is you will be fighting Seleukeia the whole time.
Personally I'd forget about doing a Successor campaign, once you've done one they are all pretty much the same. For a challenge of a different sort, do a Getai campaign. You will be pleasantly surprised at the versatility of the units and develop new tactics to use them. I'm just finishing a Getai campaign and my new favorite unit is Thraikioi Peltastai. They are perhaps the most versatile infantry in the game. A close second are the Drapanai, an excellent phalanx killer. Heck I never really liked the idea of "disposable" infantry with little to no armor until I met the Drapanai.
Huh?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Conqueror
Pontus is easy on VH/M! It's just a bit boring because I had no money to recruit anything but the cheapest phalangite unit and no choice but to fight the same bridge battles again and again and again to save my little kingdom from Seleucid invasions ....... :no::sweatdrop:
Baktria/Epeiros.
I'd be wary of labeling Lysimachos' kingdom as 'Thraikian'. When the center of his territory was there, he was a nobody and a weakling, and forced to share power (the arrangement is unclear) with Seuthes, a native Thraikian king; after Ipsos, when he catapulted into prominence (despite the engagement having largely been won by Seleukos' and Kassandros' troops), I believe he pulled far greater revenues and manpower from Asia Mikra.Quote:
Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
im sorry, but you seem to be taking a rather arrogant and smart-ass tone here. perhaps thats just how you talk, but you could be nicer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus
thanks to reality=chaos for being nice about it.
Best not to mention it. I imagine some people are still rather displeased after your remark to bovi...Quote:
Originally Posted by Prussian Iron
Anyways, I would recommend Baktria, if only because they are in the best position to gain access to Indian units (those Guild Warriors, while not as tough as Traikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi in my eyes, are killers through-and-through).
most enjoyable would be makedonia... i mean its fun... u can go either way (no sexual pun intended)
to iberia and destroy the barbaroi romani or to the east and claim what is rightfully yours as the true heir to makedon and so must be king of all makedonians :)
then you could go northeast and have a bosphorus kingdom?
endless possibilities
but to be sure, I'd think im torn on the next campaign as Baktria or Epirus as they have both unique rosters and new tactics other than anvil and hammer (immitation legions, horse archers etc)
Looking forward to that and EBII after i get my new comp XD
you know what? i'm sick of people here treating me and other newer people like crap for no good reason. I mostly take a good attitude towards people on here, but i'm one of those people who believe that the way you speak is the way you are. so if someone is a total douche bag to me, then i know they are douche bags in real life, thus i treat them badly for doing whatever it is they do verbally to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frontline1944
/rant
sorry you had to read that; i needed to vent.:furious3::furious3::furious3:
You need to relax mate, you're gonna blow a gasket. You asked to be corrected and he corrected you.
The way I read it was:
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Glad you want to be corrected. *insert big cheesy grin here* You are wrong. Thorakitai Hoplitai don't throw javelins. They have an underhand spear and an AP sword. Just like the Basilikon Agema.
but compare it to the guy below him. he is more cordial and doesnt have a tone.
Just let it slide prussian Iron.... I know how hard that can be (from experience on other fora) be tough... but in my experience it's a waste of YOUR valuable energy.
Personally I prefer to be nice unless someone is either particulary rude to me, or if I know them enough so they know it when I am joking
Internets is srs business.
Serious business my arse. Unless it isn't work, people who take IL as serious as RL should re-consider their approach to it.
Maion
Quite a lot of people do take it too seriously though.... And those who don't nee to be aware of that. That is not to say they should become serious of course. But I find it rather easy to be at least a bit serious when someone who is touchy comes along. Saves you both a lot of time and energy:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios