Are wiccans a bunch of dillusionnal people?

Now, I'm not going to quote any article or nothing.

I just happen to be faced by someone (my girlfriend) who is pretty found of the whole wiccan thingy. So bad that she plans to go to Ireland to find the 'roots' of this so-called religion.

Now, honestly, I'm tempted to tell her she's stupid sometimes, but honestly, what can I say? She keeps spouting the usual wiccan mumbo-jumbo (Wicca is the first religion on earth, it was practiced 4000 years ago. See, it's all written on these stones that nobody - but us - can read). I keep pointing her to historians who proved and prove all this is nothing short of crazy, she won't even try to rethink about it.

What's deeply saddening is that she's also bringing in the conversation things about Islam, Christianity while she obviously has no clue about it, and that I think I know more about Wicca after reading 2 articles on internet than she does after reading countless books on the topic.

Is there anyway I could definitely prove her wrong, or am I doomed to facepalm and roll my head over the keyboard each time she talks about it?

to quote the comedian Ron White..

'ya can´t fix stupid'

either put up with it or get a new girlfriend...someone so far off the deep end that she is actually planning a trip around fairy tales isn´t gonna be dissuaded by logic arguments.

Actually Wicca isn't that old at all, roughly going into it's mid fifties. It was popularized by Gerald Gardner, as a counterpoint in Esoteric Practice such as the bit older Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and it's mean older brother Aleister Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis. True the roots of the religion are ancient, but esotericism is also at the roots of Judaism, and therefore at the roots of Christianity. Wiccans, unlike the other Esoteric focused "religions" (a term which should be used loosely), focus primarily on influencing earth bound forces, which isn't any more dillusional than Christianity's belief in absolute love of Jesus Christ, and sacrifice of self in order to make the world a better place, and attain eternal bliss in the afterlife. The whole credo of Wicca is "an it harm none, do what ye will".

There isn't any official right way, or wrong way to believe in the basic tenets of Wicca, the foundation of the mythology isn't really that much different, than the triple aspect of god in Christianity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) vs. Wicca's (Maiden, Mother, Crone) really just a reverse in "sexes". Then of course there is the "Horned God" that represents the male aspect of the religion, much like "Satan" represents the Female Aspect of Christianity. The exception of course, is that the Horned God isn't necessarily evil in nature, but represents the dangers of losing self in the fragile state of human mortality.

As far as the "magick" shpiel is concerned, and seems to be a major focus for Wicca fanboys/girls. From an atheist, or agnostic perspective it's definitely weird, or downright dillusional. However, it's not that much different than mass, congregation, blessing, and the strangely dillusional exorcisms that Christians, and particularly Catholics seem so fond of. The entire basis of Magick is forcing one's will upon another, to change certain events, obviously, everybody does this, whether they know it or not, through your will (human action and interaction) you can change the course of any number of string of events. The practice of magick is quite simply, and dissapointingly enough to any fanboy, a ritualized version of this. Of course, Wiccans believe that through the ritual, they may have a stronger influence on the events, but from an agnostic's perspective, it's really just intuitive foresight.

As far as dealing with Wiccans, or people on the cusp of believing Wicca. Most people grow out of it, but those that don't, you just have to take it, or leave it. I'm sorry Melendil, but fact and religion rarely agree with one another, especially in the mythology department. But you would be better served by letting her find out the answer for herself.

Is this the same girl from Canada? :inquisitive: Might be time to bail on this one.

Buy a druid outfit and drive her around Bretagne. :beam:


You and her will be sure to enjoy it. Then near the end of the trip, she can ask you why you are not happy, and then she can manipulate you into submission again. :smash:


But seriously. Reason can not outlogic religion. It doesn't work, never. You'll just have to live with it.

I'm not very à la mode with Web 2.0, but I wouldn't call Wiccans delusional - it's just not a very accurate encyclopedia. And she doesn't need to come to Ireland to edit it.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Is there anyway I could definitely prove her wrong, or am I doomed to facepalm and roll my head over the keyboard each time she talks about it?

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I'm not going to tell you to dump her or not, that is entirely your business. But I would say that she is compensating for something. Find out what that is and try to address it. That's my two cents, in all modesty, because who are we to judge your personal issues.

Wow, I've been writing a 5 pages long paper in which I quote various historians, sociologists, and even wiccans who reject the whole 'Wicca has been here forever' theory. I've even included a part about the Mithraic Mysteries (I hardly remember why now).

It was exhausting, but interesting. If she doesn't change her mind with that (and she won't), then I don't know what to do.
I'm now tempted to buy a book on this topic just to make sure I'm even more right than I think I am.

As for dumping her, I don't think dumping your relationship whenever you disagree on a certain topic is the best idea ever, 'cause I'm never going to find someone with whom I'll agree all the time.

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Originally Posted by AdrianII

I'm not going to tell you to dump her or not, that is entirely your business. But I would say that she is compensating for something. Find out what that is and try to address it. That's my two cents, in all modesty, because who are we to judge your personal issues.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

I'm now tempted to buy a book on this topic just to make sure I'm even more right than I think I am.

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Please don't. Forget the book and everything you have read. Try to figure out what she's saying to you and others when she speaks of this wicca thingy. Not the words, the emotional message.

I know this sounds all touchy-feely like, but it has helped me understand people more than once when they acted as if they were off their rocker.

What makes Wicca any different than other religions? :inquisitive:

^ it is fairy tales and they steal influences from like celts, greeks, romans.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

^ it is fairy tales and they steal influences from like celts, greeks, romans.

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What makes Wicca any different than other religions?

Everyone who believes in something flaky has their reasons. It satisfies them in some way.

The question is, what makes one belief flaky, and another not? I'm genuinely curious.

People know what I think, but I would like to know... among those with belief, what beliefs are taboo and why?

All the Wiccans I know do it to be a bit different (usually eager to let people know as well) and somehow intellectual (they both thought they were smarter than they were) they also both played the victim card (I pointed out the 'witches' that were burned were nessecarily anything to do with Wiccer)

I don't want to stereotype Wiccans (too much) but those two were a little harmless and delusional... they both could easily resist logical arguments against Wiccer, just brush them off...

I've always though of Wicca as a modern reconstruction of WASP/celtic paganism. You know the pagans who didn't write crap down like the germanic/greek/latin/near brown pagans. That is a BIG over compensation.

As to your specific problem. If it really bothers you, bail. Right the hell now. If however the booty is good and you can deal with it. Stay. But I'd advise you to call it (Wicca) like you see it (steaming pile of equine excrement) when ever she brings it up.

One of my female colleagues at work is a Wiccan. She doesn't seem any more weird than the rest of us. You just have to accept people the way they are. :wacko: witches is peoples too

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The question is, what makes one belief flaky, and another not? I'm genuinely curious.

People know what I think, but I would like to know... among those with belief, what beliefs are taboo and why?

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I just think it is a rather stupid and unbelievable religion. They of course have the right to practice it if they witch it just seems rather childish like they are playing at pseudo-celts.

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Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

You just have to accept people the way they are.

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You're half joking as usual and I'm already half laughing at your next joke, but..

But Meneldil has a real problem in that someone every close to him is at the same time in a very remote place, to put it nicely. He can't shrug it of and say 'Oh well, to each his own'. In the privacy of their own homes people can do whatever they want, religiously speaking, but when that home is also yours it becomes a different story.

Mi prisión es su prisión, eh?

I'm just saying it is what it is. Trying to change people that don't want to change is an exercise in futility. If the relationship is not meant to be then it won't be.

Does she weigh the same as a duck?

You could always take up your own crappy new age religion and be a little crazy about it as a parody...

Must be great to have such a crazy girlfriend.

Well, I had a very close female friend (but not GF) who believed in the Wicca myth. :shrug: What can I say? Much of the stuff Christians believe makes no sense either, but Christianity also tends to facilitate intolerance, ignorance, and bigotry quite a bit of times, whereas Wiccans seem pretty harmless, at least for now.

I would suppose most grow out of Wicca, just as (most of us) grew out of Pokemon :beam:.

My politically incorrect views:

Wicca is a made-up 'religion' of which 90% of it's adherents are middle and high school aged kids, mostly girls, who are rebelling against their parents and christian upbringings. The other 10% are people who've made it past high school and still for some reason believe in it. It's a very 'fashionable' 'religion' for younger kids in that age bracket.

As Adrian said, she's compensating. I'd posit a slightly different angle, and that is she's rebelling. All kids generally do this to various degrees in that age period as they find their own identities.

ATPG, there IS no difference between it and other religions. :smash: :yes:

Meneldil. Best thing I can say is just don't feed the beast. She's probably going to be hard and heavy into this for a year or so, that's about how long it lasted for my friends in high school. I don't think anyone made it past freshman year caring about it, because usually by that time we'd discovered new freedoms, and with them gods to worship (drugs, alcohol, cars, partying, etc). If you want to stay with her, you'll probably end up walking a fine line between not giving a rat's ass, yet indicating to her that you understand it's important to her, but you don't share her views or agree. Or something like that. Or just dump her and go date one of the hot cheerleaders. :whip: :sweatdrop: :2thumbsup: :skull:

Ahhh... high school. So long ago.

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Originally Posted by Whacker

My politically incorrect views:

Wicca is a made-up 'religion' of which 90% of it's adherents are middle and high school aged kids, mostly girls, who are rebelling against their parents and christian upbringings. The other 10% are people who've made it past high school and still for some reason believe in it. It's a very 'fashionable' 'religion' for younger kids in that age bracket.

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Could not be put better than that. Every part is very much true. fashionable, rebellion, growing up, girls - yes those are the defining characteristics.

Oh, and of course, one more thing to add: Wicca is "green", nature religion and thus even more "fashionable"

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Originally Posted by Whacker

My politically incorrect views:

Wicca is a made-up 'religion' of which 90% of it's adherents are middle and high school aged kids, mostly girls, who are rebelling against their parents and christian upbringings. The other 10% are people who've made it past high school and still for some reason believe in it. It's a very 'fashionable' 'religion' for younger kids in that age bracket.

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Its a pity you know so little about the subject. While you do raise a point that a large percentage of "Wiccans" seem to be rebellious teenagers, this could not actually be further from the truth. The fact of the matter is, is that unless raised by parents who also happen to be Wiccan, one cannot be a Wiccan unless fully emancipated from their parents, and are free and able to join a Coven. The idea that someone can go out, draw a Pentagram on the ground, light a few candles, say a few chants, throw some Pig's blood over their shoulders, and draw upon manna is foolish, actually it's downright ridiculous. Some people think they can just go down and buy a book, and then *poof* Magic! Doesn't work like that. Although it does help sell their books.
The Coven works much in the same way as Buddhists, or as a matter of fact, Christians become monks. They go off and learn discipline and the virtues of the faith in their temples, or monasteries. One does not declare themselves to be a witch, and it is so, it requires years of study, patience, meditation, and an understanding of Science. The idea of using "magick" is really in the same sense that Buddhist monks attempt to gain enlightenment through meditation, the exception being is that through this practice they believe that they can not only influence themselves but others around them. I reiterate, not any more delusional than other religions.
On the matter of Wiccan, and Esoteric tenets of faith, its only been less than a century ago since this wasn't considered a "science". Most, if not all Scientists during the Renaissance practiced Occultism, namely Alchemy; it was considered fundamental. And contrary to the popular theory, did not disagree with mainstream religion as a whole. The likes of Sir Isaac Newton, and Gottfried Leibniz were quite active in the Occult, Sir Isaac Newton actually attributed Gravity to Alchemy, which was considered an affront to the church because they believed Gravitational Forces could not be attributed over vast distances, unless by the will of god. It was only up until the Later stages of the Age of Enlightenment that Alchemy took to the underground, but never really went away. The likes of Albert Einstein if not a practicing Alchemist himself, was deeply intrigued by it. There is still a very high likelihood that some of the worlds most intelligent people are Occult members, they just don't like to talk about it. It isn't any your business what they believe in anyways.

An article on Wikipedia is only just scratching the surface of Wiccan beliefs, and quite frankly, wrong in some places. If you want to really get to the heart of the matter, I suggest The Book of Lies, and the Book of Law by Aleister Crowley. It gives you good insight into what Wicca/Occultism is, and what it isn't, and it's very concise in it's assessment. The founder of mainstream Wicca practiced today, Gerald Gardner, actually confessed that he created the idea to get laid by young girls, and he was very successful in that. It was only until later in his life, that the incorporation of Celtic Deism was introduced, and so it's a quite young religion. However, as far as I can tell, there was a certain prophet of a very large mainstream religion practiced all over the world today, who was himself, quite fond of young females.

So before bombarding Wicca as idiotic, or delusional, give a fair hand in judgment to any other religion. They're all totally nuts, but some people like to stay with whats safe, I for one salute this girl, for exploring her options, instead of hiding under a false security blanket.

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Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

I'm just saying it is what it is. Trying to change people that don't want to change is an exercise in futility. If the relationship is not meant to be then it won't be.

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I think you don't do justice to the power of love. We are oh so reverential when it comes to te positive force of love; it's the subject of every second popsong. But love can also be an alienating, even a destructive force.

Have you never been deeply in love with someone who was 'into' something that was totally alien to you? How many people feel they have to 'share' their partner with some third party like a church, a political party, a sportsclub (or in my case, a newspaper)?

Have you never been torn apart by the awareness that you love your kid even though he or she does something truly horrible? Would you love and support your kid if they turned out a criminal? Yes, you would. You may want to deny it, but you would.

Haven't you faced the fact that if your partner in life or your kid would ever incur a debilitating sickness or suffer a debilitating accident, you would care for them for the rest of your life, even if it meant you wouldn't have a life in any real sense anymore? Or would you? Most people would.

Can you imagine that maybe Meneldil loves this girl so much that he wants this issue out of the way, not the girl herself? That maybe he feels that this relationship is meant to be? If that is the case, then there is no easy way out. Maybe no way out at all.

And people can change, for worse, also for better. I've seen it happen.

Cripes. Maybe I should be come a priest after all? :inquisitive:

Well, beliefs in wicca are certainly delusional. There are many things without factual basis. Now, on the one hand you will find that most people have some delusional beliefs. Some people eat raw vegan food, some people believe their sports team will certainly be victorious this year, some people believe their political party is all good, etc. The human mind is prone towards deluding itself in many ways. Not all delusions are equal to others though. Maybe her belief is no big deal, maybe not, I don't know. But her personality as a whole is what you should consider, not her belief in wicca which is just one facet.

The issue I see, is whether you are going to be unable to respect her if she continues with this belief. I think a relationship requires respect.

Wicca is as made up as any other religion. And like any other religion it starts of as being popular and attractive to certain demographics.

It's also as nutty and flaky as any other religion - but a bit more tolerant and nice.

Well, to be honest, till now, we've only barely talked about that. She once mentionned she had read several books about it, to what I answered 'It looks like a lot of mumbo-jumbo for people pretending to be cool', which I still think it is (something like the discovery of Buddhism in the western world).

But yesterday, she told me she was eager to work in the UK and Ireland, because not only she would be nearer France, but she could find the true roots of this millennia old religion, which made me go 'wth?'. I knew she was somewhat into this, but I would never have imagined she bought the full mythological crap, with the 'Wicca was the first religion on earth' part, and the 'the Church tried to destroy wicca during the witch hunts' one.

So yeah, I'll try arguing for a while. If it doesn't work, I don't know what I'll do. Rational minds seem to face a huge wall when arguing with people who simply reject rational-thinking. That's is kind of sad but at least I will have tried.

I expected someone here would know a bit about Wicca (I think a former moderator was dating or marrying a Wiccan, or maybe it was on another forum), but meh.

Edit: As a lot of people have said, I don't consider Wicca to be worse than any other religion. They seem pretty harmless and the whole thing sound like a benevolent system of belief. Other religions are just as stupid/nut/made up/dillusionnal, and as a fact, I despise any single religious system (though I don't despise all the people who believe in them).
Thing is, in that case, said girl also consider other religions to be a bunch of fairy tales, but when it comes to Wicca, 'it's all proven, white magic, millennia old, secret alphabet and what not, it's all written down, and the fact we can't find any archeological proof doesn't mean it doesn't not exist' (in a typical 'you can't prove God doesn't exist' fashion). Quite terrible.

What is even more terrible is the people who write these books and think they're historians and what not, while Gardner's writing and journal, in which he clearly states he invented Wicca out of his bottom and a few old-women tricks, are known and available.

Wakizashi, that's all nice and dandy, but most of the people who pretend to be wiccans are these young people (not necessarily teenage girls, but generally young) who learnt Wicca by themselves according to one of the various 'Wicca for dummies' or 'Wicca 101' books available anywhere on teh internet. The people who actually do the coven thingy (which is also pretty laughable) are a tiny minority.

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Originally Posted by Adrian II

Please don't. Forget the book and everything you have read. Try to figure out what she's saying to you and others when she speaks of this wicca thingy. Not the words, the emotional message.

I know this sounds all touchy-feely like, but it has helped me understand people more than once when they acted as if they were off their rocker.

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Wise words, and from Adrian even.

Don't judge her because she's a Wiccan; judge her because she's a person.

So what does it changes if she has another belief than most people? Have you noticed anything different about the way she acts? If not, what's the problem?

If yes, can you cope with it? Is she of enough worth to you to come through this. In a year perhaps, or less, she might look back and state how silly her beliefs were. Or she might not.

Is there human sacrifice or pain involved? Will her sect go to war with another sect? Will she/has she tried to convert you? Does she have to give up all her money to the sect?

If no to all the above (and I bet "no" it is), then I don't see a problem. Explore her beliefs/understandings with her. As whacky as anybody's belief seem at the outset, they all have merit of some kind, or satisfy some need in the believer - as the fellas above said. Find out what that need is, and help her satisfy it.

Btw, just last year "Wicca" was recognized as an authorized entry on US Army Personnel Records and Dog Tags. I don't know if Wiccan Chaplains have been found though, or what symbol they wear on their uniform collar.

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Btw, just last year "Wicca" was recognized as an authorized entry on US Army Personnel Records and Dog Tags. I don't know if Wiccan Chaplains have been found though, or what symbol they wear on their uniform collar.

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Hmmm. If there are any Wiccan Chaplains I'd bet they'd be few and far between, since as a rule of thumb, they tend to be more pacifist than Buddhists. As far as the symbol goes, I know it's a Pentacle, since it seems to be pretty uniform to put the Pentacle on Wiccan Headstones.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

What makes Wicca any different than other religions?

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Exactly, even though Christianity stole from the Pagans, Romans, Greeks, etc.

When I was reading this thread, I couldn't help replacing "Wiccans" with "Christians" and "Ireland" with "Israel".

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'the Church tried to destroy wicca during the witch hunts' one.

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That's true? Even the church killed other christians too, who believe something slightly different.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

Wicca is as made up as any other religion. And like any other religion it starts of as being popular and attractive to certain demographics.

It's also as nutty and flaky as any other religion - but a bit more tolerant and nice.

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Brother Wakizashi, I am an equal opportunity bigot when it comes to religion, I take the same very dim view of every single one. How organized one is or isn't means nothing to me about it's legitimacy. Look and how decentralized Islam is and how many flavors there are, one could argue it's not terribly "organized", in that sense. Compare that with Scientology, which is strictly regulated internally and organized... does that make it any more or less legit? Hint: :no:

I guess people look down on wiccans more than christians because most christians were raised christian, and most wiccans had a reason for adopting it. And because the lack of history behind it and the coven thing makes it sound silly, like having a vampire religion or something.

You're going to get snotty, elitist people with any religion. In my experience and opinion christians are by far the worst though. Hell, one only need look here in the backroom for prime examples of it. :laugh4:

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Brother Wakizashi, I am an equal opportunity bigot when it comes to religion, I take the same very dim view of every single one. How organized one is or isn't means nothing to me about it's legitimacy. Look and how decentralized Islam is and how many flavors there are, one could argue it's not terribly "organized", in that sense. Compare that with Scientology, which is strictly regulated internally and organized... does that make it any more or less legit? Hint: :no:

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I don't disagree with you, I just dislike the use of personal observation being used as fact. Must be a pet peeve that one picks up when working with Criminal Procedure. :shrug:
This thread is actually quite funny in this sense.

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I guess people look down on wiccans more than christians because most christians were raised christian, and most wiccans had a reason for adopting it. And because the lack of history behind it and the coven thing makes it sound silly, like having a vampire religion or something.

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Or maybe its because people hear about the three main religions much more then Wicca? I hear crazy stuff like "Drink the blood of Christ, and accept him into your life and you will be saved from eternal damnation" and it doesnt phase me because iv heard it repeated all throughout my life.

@ Wakizashi

This thread is kinda funny, but where did I say my views were factual and not opinions?

At least they aren't Scientologists.

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@ Wakizashi

This thread is kinda funny, but where did I say my views were factual and not opinions?

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Wicca is a made-up 'religion' of which 90% of it's adherents are middle and high school aged kids, mostly girls, who are rebelling against their parents and christian upbringings. The other 10% are people who've made it past high school and still for some reason believe in it. It's a very 'fashionable' 'religion' for younger kids in that age bracket.


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Originally Posted by Wakizashi

Wicca is a made-up 'religion' of which 90% of it's adherents are middle and high school aged kids, mostly girls, who are rebelling against their parents and christian upbringings. The other 10% are people who've made it past high school and still for some reason believe in it. It's a very 'fashionable' 'religion' for younger kids in that age bracket.


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You left out my prefix: "My politically incorrect views:"

Fine, I'll concede I should have worded that intro a bit better. I thought it was pretty much understood as a given that "my views" == "my opinions", and that "politically incorrect" all but indicates that what I'm saying is opinion. Facts aren't "politically incorrect", they just are. I also never stated that was I mentioned was fact, either.

I'll go with the touchy-feely option...

Find out what about the religion contributes to her life.

MY gf is christian, and I am very agnostic. We have been able to set that aside though :)

We just have the church-wedding issue left...

Wicca is not worse than any other religion... And some of the followers I met were quite cool :)

Good luck

Listen people, it's not about the beliefs per se. On that departement, wiccans seem not nearly as bad as any christian or muslim nutjob.

I'm more worried by the whole 'It's true, it's written in this book' part. I mean, there are even some wiccans who openly say the wiccan mythology is a bunch of fairy tales (ie. Wicca isn't the first religion to have ever been followed by mankin). But she does. And she keeps on pointing me to book written by dillusionnal people who pretend to be historians, but whose arguments have been proved wrong repeatedly.
And I'm here, trying to not be too much of an arrogant prick about her beliefs (I trully think anyone is entitled to worship anything as long as it doesn't trouble the order), and unable to wake up her critical thinking. That's kind of annoying.

The only reason I opened this topic was because I expected someone would know a bit more about Wicca, and point me to books that definitely prove that most of its supposed history has been made up recently.

Mate, as stated, logic fails against idiots and religious people...

Your girlfriend unfortunately seems to fall under at least one of the categories. Now, I only base that from how you have depictured her, so I might very well be wrong.

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I'm more worried by the whole 'It's true, it's written in this book' part.

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What is the difference between that book, and say, the bible?

Christians use the same argument.

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Originally Posted by Whacker

You left out my prefix: "My politically incorrect views:"

Fine, I'll concede I should have worded that intro a bit better. I thought it was pretty much understood as a given that "my views" == "my opinions", and that "politically incorrect" all but indicates that what I'm saying is opinion. Facts aren't "politically incorrect", they just are. I also never stated that was I mentioned was fact, either.

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:laugh4: Point Taken.

Gentlemen,

We are getting very close to using "nutjobs", "idiots" and similar insults as synonyms for religious people as a whole.

However one feels about their faith, most people of a religious persuasion are decent chaps who don't deserve the aggressive tone.

Please remember that whilst we may disagree in this forum, we try always to respect.

Thank you kindly.

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I'm not saying that any religion is right or wrong but I made a few alterations to your post and I think that you should apply how you feel about the following to this current situation:

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I'm more worried by the whole 'It's true, it's written in this book' part. I mean, there are even some christians who openly say the christian mythology is a bunch of fairy tales (ie. The earth wasn't made in 7 days). But she does. And she keeps on pointing me to book written by dillusionnal people who pretend to be historians, but whose arguments have been proved wrong repeatedly.
And I'm here, trying to not be too much of an arrogant prick about her beliefs (I trully think anyone is entitled to worship anything as long as it doesn't trouble the order), and unable to wake up her critical thinking. That's kind of annoying.

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

Gentlemen,

We are getting very close to using "nutjobs", "idiots" and similar insults as synonyms for religious people as a whole.

However one feels about their faith, most people of a religious persuasion are decent chaps who don't deserve the aggressive tone.

Please remember that whilst we may disagree in this forum, we try always to respect.

Thank you kindly.

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Your point being that nutjobs and idiots should not be respected?

I respect any human being, and even every living organism...

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

"nutjobs", "idiots"

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Oh come on. What fun is it if we can't talk frankly about Org moderators?

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Oh come on. What fun is it if we can't talk frankly about Org moderators?

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Moderators are not a protected species. Open season is from January 3rd to December 22nd. You don't even need a licence.

However, tradition dictates that real sportsmen only use PMs - since in the open, we are really dangerous when wounded.

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It's best for you to compromise. Tell her you will do a wiccan worship session with her, set a time and place, gater some leaves, dirt and twigs and put them all in a bag. When the worship session begins, dump the bag over her head, and it may very well send her into orgasms.

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Oh come on. What fun is it if we can't talk frankly about Org moderators?

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