We have traveled to the coldest places in the Tibetan Range. Assaulted nomadic caravans. Rushed through Argyraspidai formations. Stole Nabatu gold. Desecrated Buddhist temples. Collapsed nomadic altars. And ran towards Parthian Cataphracts.
Yet. We have found it. We have found the only thing that we need in this world! We have found the fountain of life my friends!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
However we decided to use it all on this mod. Now there's no more life-water for you. Sorry.
-Special thanks:
mamik_yev_konak (vartan)
gamegeek2
Cute Wolf (Strategos Lykos)
We hope you will support and join our team so we may actually finish it. We will update the thread constantly so stay tuned.
Thank you for your support and assistance beforehand.
Sincerely, Jirisys, Beos777 and the whole AtB community
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~Jirisys (Ασια των βαρβαρων)
02-20-2011, 01:50
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
You can visit and register on our development forum; where you are welcomed to have a good time and chat with either us, or many other fans of this mod. However the development area will be kept secret to many so that we may surprise you; nonetheless you can still post any ideas or suggestions for the mod in the respective section.
The original team spent 3 or 4 years on it, and they have the moral right to AtB franchise. Dead or not, it is their child.
But the idea to wake the project is great!
Second AtB Leader:
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Originally Posted by svramj
Yeah, Myself and many others left it unattended. I just completed whatever the Indian factions needed. All those can be found in the Dev forum of ATB, you need anything more I can surely help you with information. I'm busy with final year college project so cant mod anymore :(
You may retain the name.. And you may also retain the Indian faction units with credits. Appreciating your work.(...) And you may take admin of the forum too. I myself will visit and go through your work and provide support and Info for Indian regions.
Telling me that the "true" AtB is the other one is offensive. We are not trying to bury it and putting our own. We're trying to revive it and give it some renewals.
~Jirisys ()
02-20-2011, 23:43
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Development forum link is up, second post.
~Jirisys ()
02-23-2011, 13:16
G. Septimus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
I demand a reparation of the map since the link is Broken! :yes:
EDIT: Nevermind (...)
02-23-2011, 17:15
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Septimus Severus
I demand a reparation of the map since the link is Broken! :yes:
No it isn't... I can see it normally.
(...)
~Jirisys ()
02-25-2011, 01:11
Beefy187
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Modders do it for free, despite having to invest lots of times and effort.
Whether they are "true" or not doesn't matter. I think they should be respected for their work.
I'll keep waiting for this :bow:
02-25-2011, 18:45
Populus Romanus
Re: ???? ??? ???????? - Asia ton Barbaron
One problem I see emerging with this if it is finished is that there is a gigantic hole in Tibet and Indochina. This would be a similar problem to the whole empty eastern europe problem in EB.
02-25-2011, 19:36
jirisys
Re: ???? ??? ???????? - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
One problem I see emerging with this if it is finished is that there is a gigantic hole in Tibet and Indochina. This would be a similar problem to the whole empty eastern europe problem in EB.
The wusun migrated trough there... They should be close to that position. Besides, either the xiongnu, yuezhi or wusun could go through there. It's not that empty with 3 nomadic factions trying to get the hell away from the xiongnu
~Jirisys ()
02-25-2011, 19:42
Populus Romanus
Re: ???? ??? ???????? - Asia ton Barbaron
There should at least be a Tibetan culture, though. Really, they were a highly unique and very influential culture. It is necessary for historical accuracy for these reasons to include a Tibetan culture.
02-25-2011, 21:59
Ludens
Re: ???? ??? ???????? - Asia ton Barbaron
Sonic, jirisys, please take your personal differences elsewhere.
If required, I can remove these posts from the thread.
02-26-2011, 17:16
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
There should at least be a Tibetan culture, though. Really, they were a highly unique and very influential culture. It is necessary for historical accuracy for these reasons to include a Tibetan culture.
Tibetan culture... Ok... But what about the tribes themselves? we cannot give them whole control of all the tribes since they were not united. Eremos could be the solution, but we will have tibetan units and towns for that matter.
~Jirisys ()
02-28-2011, 20:37
Cute Wolf
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
well? if you meet everyone's demand of culture, eventually the 7 culture slots won't be enough :grin:
BTW, after considering the facts, If you include Tibetan culture, you should as well include China, and then the map would be very2 large
02-28-2011, 23:20
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
well? if you meet everyone's demand of culture, eventually the 7 culture slots won't be enough :grin:
BTW, after considering the facts, If you include Tibetan culture, you should as well include China, and then the map would be very2 large
They aren't...
~Jirisys ()
03-01-2011, 01:48
Skullheadhq
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
now, asia without china is not asia! I demand Asia! :furious2:
with Chinese
HINT : Look at Tanit's post in ol AtB thread
03-01-2011, 04:08
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
now, asia without china is not asia! I demand Asia! :furious2:
with Chinese
HINT : Look at Tanit's post in ol AtB thread
Culture slot full; AtB Malaysia, Tibet and North China = EB eastern europe, faction slot full, possible landmass crash ratio, Asia meant from Anatolia to India (the known world), they didn't know what china was, uninfluential on the west, religion slot full, China and the subswquent regions that would come with it asks too many units, unnecesary regions would be put in place, etc.
Really, I'd rather have a EB: Han and not the Han in EB: AtB. Their diversity and military cannot be compiled into a few units and a lot of regions.
I hope I did not offend anyone, we want to have the whole world in the map if we could.
~Jirisys (Sadly... The real world is non-compatible with the landmass ratio of RTW :clown: :laugh4:)
03-01-2011, 07:36
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Skullhead, it seems we have something in common, I have a proposal for this.....
03-01-2011, 16:29
Hax
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
they didn't know what china was, uninfluential on the west,
Uhuh. Yep, it's not like they invented paper or anything. Uninfluential on the west, and you want to lead this project? Good luck.
EDIT: I mean "didn't know what china was". Roman and Chinese ambassadors actually met in Parthia in 146 BC between 123 and 88 BC:
Quote:
“The long reign of Mithadates II (123-87 B.C.) is significant [also] as in that during it Parthia first came into contact with both China and Rome.” - The Legacy of Persia, “Persia and the Ancient World” p.25
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03-01-2011, 17:39
Lazy O
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
So yea, Id like to hear how many culture slots the Indian Factions use :D :D :D :D :D
03-01-2011, 17:41
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Arab
Uhuh. Yep, it's not like they invented paper or anything. Uninfluential on the west, and you want to lead this project? Good luck.
Don't insult me. Yes, they were somewhat influential on the east... But how are you going to put it in an RTW mod and make that influence important at all? Besides some text description and everything, that's your case for Han China? Also, they didn't have a war with any western kingdom (except those who migrated there... i.e. the wusun?) and the records of westerners actually having known them is very late.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Arab
EDIT: I mean "didn't know what china was". Roman and Chinese ambassadors actually met in Parthia in 146 BC between 123 and 88 BC
And what's our start date sweetie? 247 BCE Right? Besides it's parthia only... Meaning at this point (almost in the end of the time period) we would have actually 2 factions that knew about china! Oh my jolly! Really, even if you eliminate those two points, I have many more to not include Han china in it.
I have a vague historical account for both east of sogdiane, the arabian peninsula and the axum and below. Also my country's educational system doesn't really care for those cultures at all, so there's my bias.
EDIT:
Quote:
Originally Posted by LazyO
So yea, Id like to hear how many culture slots the Indian Factions use :D :D :D :D :D
One. Sadly the roman culture must be kept as they will be emergent.
Armenian and Atrapatene have their own culture as well, no more arabian stereotype sounding spies... That was awful.
~Jirisys ()
03-01-2011, 19:21
Hax
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Meaning at this point (almost in the end of the time period) we would have actually 2 factions that knew about china! Oh my jolly!
You can't honestly be saying this, can ya? There was extensive contact between the Parthian and Chinese (Han China, make no mistake), including several trade agreements. In 101 BC the Han dynasty conquered Ferghana, in essence borderingthe Indo-Greek kingdom. The fact that even the Romans knew about China says something, don't you agree? I don't think that the presence of Chinese traders in Marakanda (Samarkand) would be a strange sight.
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Don't insult me. Yes, they were somewhat influential on the east... But how are you going to put it in an RTW mod and make that influence important at all? Besides some text description and everything, that's your case for Han China?
Right, you know, I used to be the researcher on the Persianite factions for AtB, you do know that? I'm not interested in seeing Han China in any mod, but you're just not making sense here. There just isn't enough room, but don't go going on about how they had little influence/nobody knew them. Thank you.
03-01-2011, 20:47
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
This is my map so far, I think it has 60-70 cities so far. Hax, what do you think?
We obviously need more cities in India, some more steppe cities, and maybe a couple more in China
03-01-2011, 20:47
Finn MacCumhail
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
I kinda person non grata in this thread, but want to share some ideas. Adding Han Empire would be wonderful. Satavahana might be replaced with strong scripted rebels for this sake.
Come on, it would be fun to bring China troops under Piramids and face there Roman Army.
Cultures Magnificent 7: Hellenistic, Arab, Nomad, Indian, Roman, China, Eastern. 7 slots would be enough if Armeni and Antropatena would share Eastern Culture as Parthia does. As a last resort, if you would despair need slot for some Ethiopian culture, you can merge Roman and Hellenistic, as AI Roman interface doesn't make much sence.
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Also my country's educational system doesn't really care for those cultures at all, so there's my bias.
it is not a reason not to include faction.
possible map outline. Almost no Europe, no mainland Greece. That is why Roman invasion time shifted to later period. Asia till Pacific Ocean.
You can't honestly be saying this, can ya? There was extensive contact between the Parthian and Chinese (Han China, make no mistake), including several trade agreements. In 101 BC the Han dynasty conquered Ferghana, in essence borderingthe Indo-Greek kingdom. The fact that even the Romans knew about China says something, don't you agree? I don't think that the presence of Chinese traders in Marakanda (Samarkand) would be a strange sight.
I don't think the silly wording of the phrase convinced you of my facetiousness. In 101 BC, that's one year before the end of the mod. I'd rather have chine with gamegeek's idea, but still. There's still vast room to make some changes in the factions. Wouldn't you say. I'm not currently going to stick out into the same 20 factions you got there. Sunga was removed and replaced by pandya and Satavahana was made emergent. You know, there's still room for change.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Arab
Right, you know, I used to be the researcher on the Persianite factions for AtB, you do know that? I'm not interested in seeing Han China in any mod, but you're just not making sense here. There just isn't enough room, but don't go going on about how they had little influence/nobody knew them. Thank you.
Ok... They had a tad of influence and ALMOST nobody knew them :clown:
Quote:
I kinda person non grata in this thread, but want to share some ideas. Adding Han Empire would be wonderful. Satavahana might be replaced with strong scripted rebels for this sake.
Come on, it would be fun to bring China troops under Piramids and face there Roman Army.
Cultures Magnificent 7: Hellenistic, Arab, Nomad, Indian, Roman, China, Eastern. 7 slots would be enough if Armeni and Antropatena would share Eastern Culture as Parthia does. As a last resort, if you would despair need slot for some Ethiopian culture, you can merge Roman and Hellenistic, as AI Roman interface doesn't make much sence.
Sense*. Why would we have an Ethiopian Culture? Those could be merged into a "semitic" culture (as most of them were of semitic origin... I guess? :inquisitive:) Romans as hellenistic culture; IIRC, wouldn't have their own barrack building for legions.
No, the point of the Armenian and Atrapatene culture would be to make them special and have a different feeling that they didn't have in EB. It's like making the latin-conquered gauls the same culture as the greek ones. If needed they would be merged.
Then what is Chersonesos and Pergamon's culture? They weren't so "Makedonians" as the Diadochoi, they were more of a classical greek-type culture.
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it is not a reason not to include faction.
No, I addressed my lack of knowledge in the subject, not my wilingness to add a faction.
Quote:
possible map outline. Almost no Europe, no mainland Greece. That is why Roman invasion time shifted to later period. Asia till Pacific Ocean.
You just expanded the current map further east. And you want to add Japan? That would make another culture fight...
I am not here to insult you, just try to clarify my point.
~Jirisys ()
03-01-2011, 21:35
Hax
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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You just expanded the current map further east. And you want to add Japan? That would make another culture fight...
Look again. It clearly ends at Korea.
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They had a tad of influence and ALMOST nobody knew them
Did you even read? The Romans had personal contact. I wouldn't be surprised if basically all the factions in the game (save perhaps Nabataea, Saba and Aksum) knew of them.
03-01-2011, 21:36
Finn MacCumhail
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Instead of “Ethiopian” you can include “Classical Greek culture”. Romans can hire legions not in barracks but in Governments 1,2,3,4, or in Blacksmiths or Libraries, wherever you want, if you use some descr_buildings magic.
Visually culture is Portraits and Architecture. In game mechanics culture causes unrest. But you don’t want to stop AI Roman faction from dominating, isn’t it? They must be ramm faction from west. Romans would be AI only, so, why do they need own culture?
Armenia and Antropatena with Parthia share Achemenidian legacy and Idea of Great Persia. That is why they can be merged. Also, they would have same architecture and portraits as Parthia, so, no need in special culture. Oh wait, it's not NOM, this starts earlier. In this case Parthia can be Nomad (as in EB), and Antropatena with Armenia Eastern.
No, Japan needs no culture slot (Even if some parts of it would be included.). It would be Eremos, as some other lands (for which no cities would be found).
03-01-2011, 23:06
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Arab
Look again. It clearly ends at Korea.
Did you even read? The Romans had personal contact. I wouldn't be surprised if basically all the factions in the game (save perhaps Nabataea, Saba and Aksum) knew of them.
Oh! I missed that.
I was joking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail
Instead of “Ethiopian” you can include “Classical Greek culture”. Romans can hire legions not in barracks but in Governments 1,2,3,4, or in Blacksmiths or Libraries, wherever you want, if you use some descr_buildings magic.
Visually culture is Portraits and Architecture. In game mechanics culture causes unrest. But you don’t want to stop AI Roman faction from dominating, isn’t it? They must be ramm faction from west. Romans would be AI only, so, why do they need own culture?
Armenia and Antropatena with Parthia share Achemenidian legacy and Idea of Great Persia. That is why they can be merged. Also, they would have same architecture and portraits as Parthia, so, no need in special culture. Oh wait, it's not NOM, this starts earlier. In this case Parthia can be Nomad (as in EB), and Antropatena with Armenia Eastern.
No, Japan needs no culture slot (Even if some parts of it would be included.). It would be Eremos, as some other lands (for which no cities would be found).
If you are so inclined to make proposals, go join the dev forum and I will grant you Guest Team Member access. Otherwise I have not much of a desire to go for it without team member support. Also, this is still in the early stages of development. We have still lots of road to cover and many paths will takes us down to other roads. If you want to contribute; there's a boule in the dev forum. I'd rather keep development concepts there and not here.
~Jirisys ()
03-02-2011, 00:09
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Did you even read? The Romans had personal contact. I wouldn't be surprised if basically all the factions in the game (save perhaps Nabataea, Saba and Aksum) knew of them.
I thought you called yourself the Mad Arab?
The Nabateans were merchant-kings, who were also good sailors, and doubtless participated heavily in the Indian trade in the 1st century CE; where doubtless they would encounter Chinese. Axum GREW off the trade to India. Saba, maybe not; but by the 1st century CE Saba was almost wiped out.
BTW my map is recommended for 30 CE. I chose this date because it's about the start-up date for the Kushan Empire, and some of the Western Kshatrapas
There is a very good reason the Chinese people today are called the Han Chinese. It's because Han China is, fairly easily in my opinion, the greatest of the Chinese dynasties. It was under them and the Qin that they Chinese people really first became united under the efficient bureaucracies of a well-run Confucian state.
03-02-2011, 00:40
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Factions for the 30 CE map:
--- Nomad ---
Xiongnu
Wusun
--- Sino-Korean ---
Han Chao
Buyeo
Koguryo
--- Indo-Iranian ---
State of Samarkand
Kushan Empire
Western Kshatrapas
--- South Indian ---
Satavahanas
Cholas
Pandyas
Ruhunas
--- South Asian ---
Funan
Any other suggested factions?
03-02-2011, 01:39
Hax
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
I thought you called yourself the Mad Arab?
The Nabateans were merchant-kings, who were also good sailors, and doubtless participated heavily in the Indian trade in the 1st century CE; where doubtless they would encounter Chinese. Axum GREW off the trade to India. Saba, maybe not; but by the 1st century CE Saba was almost wiped out.
Haha, I said I wasn't sure, that may come have across as a bit odd though. Of course they would have met in Indian trade, I'm just not sure whether there was any direct political contact between the two states, rather than via an intermediary, in this case India.
03-02-2011, 01:56
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Regardless which proposal do you favor?
03-02-2011, 02:18
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
If you are going to extend the map all the way to China, then there really is no excuse not to have a Tibetan culture. Also, did I misread or has this mod's start date been changed?
03-02-2011, 02:52
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
How much info do we have on Tibetans at this time? THen again not much on Funan either I guess.
03-02-2011, 03:37
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
If you are going to extend the map all the way to China, then there really is no excuse not to have a Tibetan culture. Also, did I misread or has this mod's start date been changed?
We are not, gamegeek proposals' don't speak for the mod itself.
247-100 is ours.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
How much info do we have on Tibetans at this time? THen again not much on Funan either I guess.
Could you please go to the darned dev forum and post it there. We could use it as a late-campaign concept if we even finish this one, but to avoid confusing the forumgoers, please put a warning and/or spoilers in it.
I appretiate the help too. Thank you.
Regards.
~Jirisys ()
03-02-2011, 04:52
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
How will it be a late-game version if it's on a completely different map? That doesn't make any sense at all.
03-03-2011, 06:06
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
How will it be a late-game version if it's on a completely different map? That doesn't make any sense at all.
Another modfolder? We'll think something out hahahah
~Jirisys ()
03-03-2011, 18:25
Lazy O
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
If only one culture slot is usd for INdia I cannot see why One cant be used for China.
Lets see....
Hellenics
Semitic
Iranian
Nomad
Indian
Han
And space for 1 more
03-03-2011, 19:40
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazy O
If only one culture slot is usd for INdia I cannot see why One cant be used for China.
Lets see....
Hellenics
Semitic
Iranian
Nomad
Indian
Han
And space for 1 more
You forget Romans, and western (non makedonian) hellenic, they can't be united in a single one.
~Jirisys ()
03-03-2011, 22:14
Cute Wolf
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by jirisys
You forget Romans, and western (non makedonian) hellenic, they can't be united in a single one.
~Jirisys ()
well, let's just ditch the Romans alltogether, put hellenic under a single culture since the scope of this mod is far bigger than europe. In larger scale, another people won't see much differences between greeks and romans.
just like what I see as an South East Asian here, I think Latin Americans compared with North Americans, is virtually the same, and I think Japanese compared with Chinese are far different.
If it focus in Asia, just put Greco-Romans into one culture, that'll be fine
03-04-2011, 01:16
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Wolf, can you comment on my proposal on the forums?
03-04-2011, 06:05
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
well, let's just ditch the Romans alltogether, put hellenic under a single culture since the scope of this mod is far bigger than europe. In larger scale, another people won't see much differences between greeks and romans.
just like what I see as an South East Asian here, I think Latin Americans compared with North Americans, is virtually the same, and I think Japanese compared with Chinese are far different.
If it focus in Asia, just put Greco-Romans into one culture, that'll be fine
So you want to help NOW?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
You know, that is frankly insulting, first off, we are mediterranean-descent, they are of saxonic descent, we are mostly socialistic and with far more inner diversity and they are capitalistic and with diversity because of diferent ethnic groups that are segregated from the main ethnia. You do forget about brazilians and amazon, mayas and mapuches. (...)
You are regarding asia as simply china and japan, you do not understand that asia minor is also asia. You do understand that in order to have han china I would not only need several more faction, culture and religion slots, but it would also have to don't care about many tibetan, malaysian, and indian factions that wouldn't be included as well.
The team will decide what to do, but you are as always free to join the forum and post in the Agora about any ideas or concepts, not here. Thank you.
~Jirisys ()
03-04-2011, 06:22
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Of all the people on this forum, the San Salvadorian happens to spot that. What are the odds?!:laugh4:
Quite frankly, I cannot see almost any culture similarity between myself, and American, and Latin America. The US is largely W.A.S.P., Latin America is not.
Still, I agree with his idea with merging Rome, West Greek and East Greek. For the sake of Asia.
03-04-2011, 11:19
Ludens
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Please keep things civil. Remember that, although we can clearly see the differences within our own cultural group, to outsiders this often isn't visible.
03-04-2011, 12:25
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
Of all the people on this forum, the San Salvadorian happens to spot that. What are the odds?!:laugh4:
Quite frankly, I cannot see almost any culture similarity between myself, and American, and Latin America. The US is largely W.A.S.P., Latin America is not.
Still, I agree with his idea with merging Rome, West Greek and East Greek. For the sake of Asia.
Hah! And you guys make fun of us Americans for making stupid stereotypes!
Please look at ANY chart of American ancestry, you'll quickly realize just how damn wrong you are.
Culture is the same. Do you want stereotypes with burgers and barbeques? :laugh4:
Please refrain from posting any more of this here. Thank you.
~Jirisys ()
03-04-2011, 17:38
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by jirisys
Culture is the same. Do you want stereotypes with burgers and barbeques? :laugh4:
Please refrain from posting any more of this here. Thank you.
~Jirisys ()
Fine, time for me to make stereotypes about immigrant workers.
Please comment on my insane proposal on the forums.
03-04-2011, 18:50
Ludens
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Better yet, let's drop the stereotypes altogether.
03-05-2011, 05:15
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
What new cultures will you create with the freed up culture slots? Presuming that Roman and W. Greek are out the window. Tibetan of course, and also divide the Steppe culture to represent the vast cultural differences between the people of the Russian steppe and the people of the Central Asian steppe. Those would be my suggestions.
03-05-2011, 07:07
Lazy O
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Why does Rome even need a seperate culture? Merge them with the Greeks!! We need moar diversity for Asia Minor/Iran/Nomads/Indians
03-05-2011, 12:45
Finn MacCumhail
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Populus Romanus, I really don't think that making a culture for "rebel" cities only is a good idea. No playable faction - no need of culture. No Tibet as faction - no need making culture for them. Mod about Asia, so merging Romans, W and E Greeks is a good idea. For the sake of Asia!
03-05-2011, 20:43
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
I don't know if the Tibetans should be represented as just rebels, though. I was pretty bummed the other day, because I have this HUGE book about ancient cultures, including Tibet, and was thinking, "Oh I can totally do a whole bunch of research to piece together Tibetan culture." But guess what? It only starts with introduction of Buddhism into Tibet in 800 AD! However, there were plenty of independent Tibetan kingdoms. I cannot find out what they were like, though, because my book only starts 1000 years later!
03-06-2011, 13:18
Cute Wolf
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
I don't know if the Tibetans should be represented as just rebels, though. I was pretty bummed the other day, because I have this HUGE book about ancient cultures, including Tibet, and was thinking, "Oh I can totally do a whole bunch of research to piece together Tibetan culture." But guess what? It only starts with introduction of Buddhism into Tibet in 800 AD! However, there were plenty of independent Tibetan kingdoms. I cannot find out what they were like, though, because my book only starts 1000 years later!
Today's Tibetan things only got widespread popularity because of Dalai Lama and their efforts of rebellion from their Chinese conquerors
Before the rise of Lhasa under Qi Zhonglong Zhan, all that we got in Tibet are small kingdoms and warlords, spaced with some Semi-Nomadic hordes. The best things that could come in terms of Tibetan faction are very loose confederacy of tribes that not even united in language.
Plus, before the arrival of Buddhism, Tibet was populated by Nomadic cannibals (according to Han Chinese literatures), so what would you can expect is Voinos like troopers
03-06-2011, 20:33
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
Plus, before the arrival of Buddhism, Tibet was populated by Nomadic cannibals (according to Han Chinese literatures), so what would you can expect is Voinos like troopers
To be fair, the Tibetans and the Chinese were historical enemies, I do not think it would be below the Chinese to spread false stories about the Tibetans.
As for Tibetan factions, I think you do have a point. There are none to choose from!:wall: Except for the Zhangzhung, but they are pretty uncharted territory.
May I propose an alternative start date?
I would suggest 230 BC. The advantages of this are clear: The Maurya are dead, therefore making the question of who will dominate India less of a no brainer. India would be split between multiple warring kingdoms trying to fill their power vacuum. The Pandyas, the Satahavana, the Indo-Greeks, and the Sunga could all be in. This would make the situation in India way more interesting. Also, this would help represent unfairly represented India. after all, just look at the concentration of factions west to east, and one will see that the west is way overrepresented at the expense of the east. Also, no new faction slots would be used up in doing this. The Indo-Greeks were still part of Bactria, the Sunga were the natural successors of the Maurya, athe Pandyas are already in, and so are the Satavahana, although now they are playable.
03-07-2011, 04:42
gamegeek2
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Yeah, tibetan states don't emerge until around 600 AD
03-07-2011, 19:17
Iron Fist
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quick 2 cents...
Drop the Roman culture slot, it can be used somewhere else( I think). By that I mean take the road that EB teams uses, no emergent factions. That is of course starting date is 247(originally intended?).
03-09-2011, 02:52
Cute Wolf
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
To be fair, the Tibetans and the Chinese were historical enemies, I do not think it would be below the Chinese to spread false stories about the Tibetans.
As for Tibetan factions, I think you do have a point. There are none to choose from!:wall: Except for the Zhangzhung, but they are pretty uncharted territory.
I will said that Tibet-Chinese enemities start from the period when Buddhism gain prominence and unite Tibet
actually, if you read most central-south-southeast asian history, you'll notice one thing, before the arrival of buddhism (and in some places, even until Islam comes, and some cults still exists even today), cannibalism and human sacrifice are very common features.
03-09-2011, 19:19
Lazy O
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Why do you want Maurya to be dead??(I object to that since my family is originally of that region )
03-10-2011, 00:22
Cute Wolf
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Lazy O
Why do you want Maurya to be dead??(I object to that since my family is originally of that region )
actually, with Maurya still in, the works will be easier
03-10-2011, 03:23
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Maybe, but the game will also be kind of boring in India. After all, there is not doubt in anyone's mind who will always win in India. That is more certain than knowing that the Casse will always conquer Brittania (not someone else). Unless it is the player taking control of the Pandyas, then the Pandyas never would stand a chance, which would really be lame. The power vacuum after the Mauryas' fall would really exciting and up in the air, though, which would help this mod live up to its name.
03-10-2011, 04:27
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
Maybe, but the game will also be kind of boring in India. After all, there is not doubt in anyone's mind who will always win in India. That is more certain than knowing that the Casse will always conquer Brittania (not someone else). Unless it is the player taking control of the Pandyas, then the Pandyas never would stand a chance, which would really be lame. The power vacuum after the Mauryas' fall would really exciting and up in the air, though, which would help this mod live up to its name.
Yet... You like the Getai/Sauro/Sweboz blitz on Eleutheroi cities?
You have no idea how the collapse will be played out, there will be no superpowered maurya, and if there is, well; you could also go to EB and point out why the AS was overpowered.
Cease this discussion please. Thank you.
~Jirisys ()
03-10-2011, 07:07
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
I am just trying to help, you know.:yes:
03-10-2011, 15:47
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
I am just trying to help, you know.:yes:
I know you are, but if you would like to help, go to the freakin dev forums and help there!
~Jirisys ()
03-10-2011, 19:53
DeathFinger
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Lazy O
Why do you want Maurya to be dead??(I object to that since my family is originally of that region )
For the sake of gameplay I think. Not to give the work easy to unite India. Maurya would be a superpower with no challenge in India, but if you begin after his collapse, Sunga can be challenged by other powers (Gandhara, Satavahana, Kalinga maybe....)
03-11-2011, 01:35
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by DeathFinger
For the sake of gameplay I think. Not to give the work easy to unite India. Maurya would be a superpower with no challenge in India, but if you begin after his collapse, Sunga can be challenged by other powers (Gandhara, Satavahana, Kalinga maybe....)
Precisely my reasoning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jirisys
I know you are, but if you would like to help, go to the freakin dev forums and help there!
~Jirisys ()
But those are for members only, right?
03-11-2011, 04:05
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
But those are for members only, right?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jirisys
You can visit and register on our development forum; where you are welcomed to have a good time and chat with either us, or many other fans of this mod. However the development area will be kept secret to many so that we may surprise you; nonetheless you can still post any ideas or suggestions for the mod in the respective section.
ΑΝΔΡΩΝ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΩΝ ΠΑΣΑ Η ΓΗ ΤΑΦΟΣ - The grave of great men is the whole Earth.
-Thucydides
Greetings, Europa Barbarorum fans.
From this day forward we will start bombarding you with previews, maybe this way we can increase our chances of getting our so needed modelers. And maybe get a little more interest coming our way.
I also hope these few months will be enjoyable to us all and that we finish it in due time.
So; without further a-do.
--------------------------------
Oh great nobles, soldiers and countrymen! Men who make all kingdoms great, for without you, they would not survive, you bring wise advice, you offer protection from the onslaught of other men, whom their eyes are filled with jelousy and hatred; you bring food to all, you give your ruler's army what they most need when they are far from home. You are what keep together an empire, a kingdom, a city.
Yet the kings and emperors do not know much about what you see and what you know, for they are busy men, and cannot listen to every single subject of them. Now I must write what you know, to give it to my ruler, as he is always weary of what step to take next, please oh glorious men. Do not keep any secrets from me, as you will be keeping them from your king.
That is why he calls me, a man whose work is not known and not wanted. However, we have to do it, for the rulers need us, to understand what his lands need, and which ones will become annexed to his great rule.
But what of us? What word do we bring to our noblemen, our kings and emperors, our consules or autokratores?
Well, here we are all reunited, gathered without any knowledge of the others, but knowing that they will not betray our secret, for the wrath of their rulers will not be the only ones that fall upon them.
This meeting must be kept secret, our kings will not be happy to hear what we have done.
Now it is my turn to start this meeting, reading the writings that I gave the king a few days ago. His rule is great and his military might is greater, feared by even the bravest man of their lands. But no one knows how powerful we truly are.
Jiri, ripping up old ATB symbol and stuff up things with incomprehensible and unclear sentences are not good.
~ this hijacked project proved to be hopeless afterall *facepalm*
03-13-2011, 02:41
jirisys
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
Jiri, ripping up old ATB symbol and stuff up things with incomprehensible and unclear sentences are not good.
~ this hijacked project proved to be hopeless afterall *facepalm*
I would like to assess you that I made it myself from scratch, I have the PSD to prove it. Second, this is not a preview itself, I think that common sense and logic would tell you that what you call "incomprehensible and unclear senteces" (then follows awful grammar) cannot be a full preview. Third, you should not state the same thing on both forums, as it makes you look like you are trolling (which you are)
I'm off, I will leave you with a memetic image for your pleasure.
[Removed - Ludens]
~Jirisys ()
03-13-2011, 06:04
Cute Wolf
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
hmm... this 3 lion symbol:
has level of details that can only be made by VECTOR IMAGE, claiming that the original file was PSD just prove that you try to claim Skullhead's Work for yourself by making the background blue instead of the original marble green. Plus, the "rim" of the symbol is pretty much too identical, making it obvious you copy the original PNG file that was posted in old AtB dev forum.
It is actually better to say you have their permission (which will be granted easily, and I believe we have no qualms against it), but the very fact that you try to claim that as your own is plain ridiculous and wrong things to do.
that's all
(PS: I make this statement openly on both forum so all could know who you really are)
03-13-2011, 06:11
Populus Romanus
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
hmm... this 3 lion symbol:
has level of details that can only be made by VECTOR IMAGE, claiming that the original file was PSD just prove that you try to claim Skullhead's Work for yourself by making the background blue instead of the original marble green. Plus, the "rim" of the symbol is pretty much too identical, making it obvious you copy the original PNG file that was posted in old AtB dev forum.
It is actually better to say you have their permission (which will be granted easily, and I believe we have no qualms against it), but the very fact that you try to claim that as your own is plain ridiculous and wrong things to do.
that's all
(PS: I make this statement openly on both forum so all could know who you really are)
Hey man, chill. I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill right now.
03-13-2011, 11:27
Ludens
Re: Ασια των βαρβαρων - Asia ton Barbaron
Jirisys, Cute Wolf, check your PM.
Everybody else, please dial down the hostility a notch.
ΑΝΔΡΩΝ ΕΠΙΦΑΝΩΝ ΠΑΣΑ Η ΓΗ ΤΑΦΟΣ - The grave of great men is the whole Earth.
-Thucydides
Greetings, Europa Barbarorum fans.
From this day forward we will start bombarding you with previews, maybe this way we can increase our chances of getting our so needed modelers. And maybe get a little more interest coming our way.
I also hope these few months will be enjoyable to us all and that we finish it in due time.
So; without further a-do.
--------------------------------
Oh great nobles, soldiers and countrymen! Men who make all kingdoms great, for without you, they would not survive, you bring wise advice, you offer protection from the onslaught of other men, whom their eyes are filled with jelousy and hatred; you bring food to all, you give your ruler's army what they most need when they are far from home. You are what keep together an empire, a kingdom, a city.
Yet the kings and emperors do not know much about what you see and what you know, for they are busy men, and cannot listen to every single subject of them. Now I must write what you know, to give it to my ruler, as he is always weary of what step to take next, please oh glorious men. Do not keep any secrets from me, as you will be keeping them from your king.
That is why he calls me, a man whose work is not known and not wanted. However, we have to do it, for the rulers need us, to understand what his lands need, and which ones will become annexed to his great rule.
But what of us? What word do we bring to our noblemen, our kings and emperors, our consules or autokratores?
Well, here we are all reunited, gathered without any knowledge of the others, but knowing that they will not betray our secret, for the wrath of their rulers will not be the only ones that fall upon them.
This meeting must be kept secret, our kings will not be happy to hear what we have done.
Now it is my turn to start this meeting, reading the writings that I gave the king a few days ago. His rule is great and his military might is greater, feared by even the bravest man of their lands. But no one knows how powerful we truly are.
