The Brothel - Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Caius]

Unvote:khaan
Vote:Ichigo
If AP suicided, that was because he has a role. He could be another killer or a puritan. Come and defend yourself, if you are one of them!

[Csargo]

Unvote:khaan
Vote:Ichigo
If AP suicided, that was because he has a role. He could be another killer or a puritan. Come and defend yourself, if you are one of them!

[TevashSzat]

[shlin28]

This means the remaining mafiosi/serial killer (if there are any) are found with the following players:


Andres - entered late.
Craterus - entered late
makaikhaan
Ichigo - took phyros' role.

and the other 5 players have these roles:

Caius - prostitute
Elite Ferret - client
GH - client
Sigurd - prostitute
Cronos - prostitute

If Andres and Craterus are innocent, why didn't the mafia kill them? GH, Sigurd, Cronos, EF and Caius all got enough attention on themselves, so the mafia would like to keep them alive as lynch baits. So if the mafia is not Andres or Craterus, they will kill Andres and Craterus, as they are confirmed innocents due to them joining late. However, these two are still alive, so therefore, if you are following my (questionable) logic, one of them must be mafia

Don't lynch makaikhaan yet, I have a feeling he may not be the last killer.

[anelious phyros]

Unvote:khaan
Vote:Ichigo
If AP suicided, that was because he has a role. He could be another killer or a puritan. Come and defend yourself, if you are one of them!

Sorry to inform you but I suicided becuase i'm on vacation and I don't have much time. I would've stayed if I finally got a role!

[Craterus]

shlin, Andres and I have been kept alive for that exact reason. People have tried to turn our 'lateness' into a sign of guilt numerous times since the start of the game. We're still suspects, obviously.

[Caius]

Unvote:Ichigo

What about Cronos?

[seireikhaan]

Gar...

unvote: EliteFerret

Vote: Craterus

Somehow I feel like Craterus, now in retrospect, was too cautious in his treatment of me. Yes I know he came late, but its more than possible that there were originally 2 puritans, and Craterus was the third.


Tally(someone else might want to confirm this, this was a monster to try to compile)

makaikhaan- 2( Chronos, Ichigo)
Craterus- 1(Khaan)
Sigurd- 1(Craterus)


Not Voting- (Andres, Sigurd Fafnesbane, GeneralHankerchief, Caius, EliteFerret)

I must say, I never envisioned a scenario in which Andres, Sigurd, and GH all three be not voting in a round.

Folks! We got a lot of people not voting right now, over half.

[Craterus]

Too cautious? A detective's a detective. Apparently.

Seeing as Sigurd is probably innocent, I'll unvote: Sigurd, vote:makaikhaan.

I'm not entirely convinced by the reveal, it still doesn't add up and you're probably a mafia target by now anyway (assuming you're not the mafia we're looking for).

Strike 3

[seireikhaan]

Strike 3

I knew you'd say that.

[Csargo]

Unvote:khaan, Vote: Craterus

[Beefy187]

Lynch caius

[Andres]

EDIT: nvm, wrong thread

[seireikhaan]

EDIT: nvm, wrong thread

By all means, Andres, you're welcome to, you know, vote.

[Sigurd]

The relative silence from the remaining players are worrying.

The town, I believe has the upper hand.
There are probably only one killer left and if we get the lynch right we will win.

I was so set in my mind that the last one was makaikhaan, that I have problems changing this opinion.
But if it is not the khaan, then who is it?
If I am interpreting phyros' post correctly we can strike Ichigo from our suspect list.
This leaves only

khaan
Andres
Craterus

If this is true, I can't see how they can win. We will definitely lynch one of them and kill one next night and then lynch the last. There are enough of us to do this.

I don't have the intuition that the ladies I am playing have, but for now I choose to believe khaan.
vote:Craterus

You have called for my input in this game before Andres, I am now calling you. What do you have to say?

[Sigurd]

Tally:

Craterus : 3 (Ichigo, makaikhaan, Sigurd)
makaikhaan : 2 (Craterus, Cronos)

not voting : 4 (Andres, Caius, EF, GH)

[Andres]

GeneralHankerchief is on a holiday, I believe (he said so in the Throne Room).

I'm really confused about Caius' 'role claim' and after the exchange between makaikhaan and CR, I really don't know who to believe.

First suspect: gut says: Craterus might be mafia.

Reasons:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Adds up with what I said too.

Vote for Sigurd people.

Awfully fast to blindly follow a somehow dubious detective reveal (makaikhaan who claimed to be the 'real' detective, after GH revealed and announced a one week absense.)

It's interesting that you've revealed after GH has gone. I guess you were waiting for the morning but... who knows. I believe you for now.

In one post, Craterus casts doubts about makaikhaan, but still 'believes' him.

Sigurd, how do you explain khaan's guilty result then?

And why did Elite Ferret vote you if he was your client and presumably knew you to be innocent?

This doesn't add up.

Sticks to the vote for Sigurd.

Too cautious? A detective's a detective. Apparently.

Seeing as Sigurd is probably innocent, I'll unvote: Sigurd, vote:makaikhaan.

I'm not entirely convinced by the reveal, it still doesn't add up and you're probably a mafia target by now anyway (assuming you're not the mafia we're looking for).

Strike 3

"a detective is a detective. apparently." --> I don't see a reason for the sudden chance of hart. Is it because mafia buddy makaikhaan's stunt seems to be failing?

And why is Sigurd "probably innocent"? If you believe 'khaan's reveal, then why not stay consequent and vote Sigurd, who turned up guilty after investigation according to 'khaan?

My second suspect is makaikhaan. CR, who is most probably innocent, counterclaimed makaikhaan's claim.

I've gone over 'khaan's posts and here's my analysis:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ATTENTION!!!

I am the real detective! I gave my previous results, as well as my role PM to General Hankerchief after I found him to be innocent on night one. I have once again investigated Sigurd Fafnesbane, and I have achieved a guilty result on him. And we can see that clearly, Sigurd did not want Cronos to be lynched, which tells us that Cronos must be guilty as well.

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

Tally:

Sigurd Fafnesbane- 2(Khaan, Craterus)

This reveal is very, very suspicious.

1) GH revealed his results because he goes on vacation (he annoucend this in the Throne Room as well, so this is not just a lie.)
2) After GH has left (and no longer able to counterclaim), makaikhaan reveals himself as the "real" detective.

Something doesn't seem right to me. Why the reveal of partial results by GH? Why not just keeping a low profile? Why was makaikhaan so sure that he was about to get killed at night that he and GH felt the need for this charade?

But what bothers me the most is the perfect timing in case this would be a mafia stunt. He reveals right after GH left. How convenient.

Now I know you're fibbing, Caius. That PM is so blatantly a rip off of the PM that GH posted earlier. I am not puritan. I don't know what you're up to. However, if Sigurd's group killed someone, than that would indeed explain my investigation result. I'm assuming that it was Rythmic you killed. However, it would seem that Rythmic had been innocent. As a result of the fact that Sigurd had helped murder an innocent client/prostitute, he showed up as guilty, because he did something 'anti prostitute' so to speak. Therefore, I will unvote: Sigurd and Vote: Caius. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by trying to steal my role claim.

EDIT: One more thing, there's way too many errors in that 'PM' you claimed to have been Omanes'. And we all know you don't have the best english.

Maybe Caius did that to show how easy it is to do what you did? But Caius should explain himself indeed. However, all of this does not explain you unvoting Sigurd who you, as a supposed detective, found out to be guilty, after an investigation? Strange

Okay, a little reviewing of the thread...

Vote: Elite Ferret

He's been lurking ever since he got back, and for whatever reason, there was one less kill on night one.

Now, this is really getting weird? Why not insisting on lynching Sigurd, who you discovered to be guilty? Are you desperately seeking for new suspects? That's a really strange vote, dear makaikhaan

'khaan's whole reveal stinks + CR, confirmed innocent, says 'khaan lies <-> Craterus sounds more scummy to me.

For now, I Vote : makaikhaan.

Might change to Craterus though.

[seireikhaan]

I've gone over 'khaan's posts and here's my analysis:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This reveal is very, very suspicious.

1) GH revealed his results because he goes on vacation (he annoucend this in the Throne Room as well, so this is not just a lie.)
2) After GH has left (and no longer able to counterclaim), makaikhaan reveals himself as the "real" detective.

Something doesn't seem right to me. Why the reveal of partial results by GH? Why not just keeping a low profile? Why was makaikhaan so sure that he was about to get killed at night that he and GH felt the need for this charade?

But what bothers me the most is the perfect timing in case this would be a mafia stunt. He reveals right after GH left. How convenient.



Maybe Caius did that to show how easy it is to do what you did? But Caius should explain himself indeed. However, all of this does not explain you unvoting Sigurd who you, as a supposed detective, found out to be guilty, after an investigation? Strange



Now, this is really getting weird? Why not insisting on lynching Sigurd, who you discovered to be guilty? Are you desperately seeking for new suspects? That's a really strange vote, dear makaikhaan

'khaan's whole reveal stinks + CR, confirmed innocent, says 'khaan lies <-> Craterus sounds more scummy to me.

For now, I Vote : makaikhaan.

Might change to Craterus though.

How did I not explain my vote change, Andres? If Sigurd, as he claimed, and his group attempted to kill a prostitute, it very well could have screwed with my investigation results, as they committed an action which to any observer, would seem to be anti-town. CR's innocence and backing of Sigurd would seem to indicate this is accurate. Another way to explain, perhaps: in my game, I slated it so that anyone who killed would appear as guilty; even though there was a pro-town vigilante role, as well as non-mafia independent roles. This seems to have worked in a similar manner. Insisting on lynching Sigurd is not only now pointless, but counterproductive to the town's efforts. You, of all people, Andres, should realize that when someone who is confirmed innocent can vouch for him.

As for the timing; there wasn't a whole lot to be helped by it. There was, they way things were going, just under a 1 in 5 chance I could die, and I wanted to be able to at least get some kind of confirmation one way or the other on Sigurd before I died. Hence why I informed GH to reveal, to hopefully give me at least the extra night.

[Andres]

Ah, I provoked an answer.

So, we can all see that you are online now. It won't take you much longer then 5 minutes to post your exact role pm and to quote your 4 investigation results, so please do so, as proof of your innocence...

[seireikhaan]

Ah, I provoked an answer.

So, we can all see that you are online now. It won't take you much longer then 5 minutes to post your exact role pm and to quote your 4 investigation results, so please do so, as proof of your innocence...

An answer?! Have you SEEN the last page or two? Its not like I'm hiding.

My exact Role pm? You can see it clearly in GH's previous post, I gave the whole thing to him. Anyone here could post it and claim it if they had wanted. That is a totally irrelevant question to pose, which you of all people should realize by now. Want results? Here they are:

Tonight, I'll investigate GH.

GeneralHankerchief was found to be innocent.

Tonight, I'll investigate TevashSzat.

TevashSzat was found to be innocent.

You found Sigurd Fafnesbane to be unclear.

You found Sigurd Fafnesbane to be guilty!

Not like that does a whole lot...

And now I suppose this will make me incredibly scummy because I caved to your demands and got the 5 minutes exactly...

[Andres]

While you are busy posting your genuine, non faked, quotes, I'll continue...

a)

You are a client of the Brothel who has in the past worked as a spy. Essentially you are a detective.

During the day you may, as is the case with all other players, vote for whom you think has intentions opposed to the clients and prostitutes.

During the night, however, you have an additional ability. You may investigate one person with the aim of finding out their intentions. You will gain one of three results for each person:

Guilty - evidently anti-prostitution
Unclear - the results are unclear. A second investigation may be more conclusive.
Innocent - evidently pro-client/prostitutes

Results have a 25% chance of ending up in the unclear section for most roles, although for others the chance of this happening is much higher.

If you have any problems feel free to drop me a PM

Now, 'khaan, tell me, you say Sigurd turned out to be guilty after the second investigation. The detective role pm doesn't leave room for interpretation now, does it?

Your explanation is not satisfying.

b) Why the whole GH reveal-show? Why not lynching Sigurd for good measure and in the meanwhile investigate another target to get more information? That would have been a better pro-town tactic, don't you agree? Sigurd would have revealed if he were powerful pro-town...

c) I assume your quotes will be up when this is getting posted...

[seireikhaan]

While you are busy posting your genuine, non faked, quotes, I'll continue...

a)

Now, 'khaan, tell me, you say Sigurd turned out to be guilty after the second investigation. The detective role pm doesn't leave room for interpretation now, does it?

Your explanation is not satisfying.

b) Why the whole GH reveal-show? Why not lynching Sigurd for good measure and in the meanwhile investigate another target to get more information? That would have been a better pro-town tactic, don't you agree? Sigurd would have revealed if he were powerful pro-town...

c) I assume your quotes will be up when this is getting posted...

A) Yes, Andres, evidently. Tell me, if you witnessed someone attempt to murder one of your neigbors, would you think it quite evident that that person was indeed not pro-neighbor? Hmm?

B) I'm NOT explaining this again. I've explained it at least 3 times by now, and if you aren't getting it or refuse to accept the logic we were using, then tough.

C) Indeedly they are.

[Andres]

And now I suppose this will make me incredibly scummy because I caved to your demands and got the 5 minutes exactly...

Well, if you wouldn't have been in a hurry, you would have taken the time to also post your role pm...

'khaan, you have to admit that your 'reveal' stinks.

And you have proven yourself to be a splendid mafia player in the past, so...

I am going to stick to my vote for the reasons stated before and I am sooo much hoping that I am not voting the detective now...

[Andres]

B) I'm NOT explaining this again. I've explained it at least 3 times by now, and if you aren't getting it or refuse to accept the logic we were using, then tough.

Please, I'm old and senile, explain it again

But I will refuse to accept your logic. Lynching Sigurd and investigating someone else the next night, would have been better imo.

[seireikhaan]

Well, if you wouldn't have been in a hurry, you would have taken the time to also post your role pm...

'khaan, you have to admit that your 'reveal' stinks.

And you have proven yourself to be a splendid mafia player in the past, so...

I am going to stick to my vote for the reasons stated before and I am sooo much hoping that I am not voting the detective now...

Maybe my reveal does suck, and maybe I'm not actually any good at being pro-town. But I'm sure as hell not going to be accused of not trying in this one.

[Andres]

*** shakes fist at the mafia gods ***

Damn you 'khaan. If you turn out to be mafia in this game, I will never, ever believe you again!

Unvote : makaikhaan; Vote : Sigurd

[Craterus]

First suspect: gut says: Craterus might be mafia.

Reasons:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Awfully fast to blindly follow a somehow dubious detective reveal (makaikhaan who claimed to be the 'real' detective, after GH revealed and announced a one week absense.)



In one post, Craterus casts doubts about makaikhaan, but still 'believes' him.



Sticks to the vote for Sigurd.



"a detective is a detective. apparently." --> I don't see a reason for the sudden chance of hart. Is it because mafia buddy makaikhaan's stunt seems to be failing?

And why is Sigurd "probably innocent"? If you believe 'khaan's reveal, then why not stay consequent and vote Sigurd, who turned up guilty after investigation according to 'khaan?

Wow, where to start?

I didn't blindly follow anything. I said that his detective results, however true or fake they may be, corraborate with my own reasons for suspecting Sigurd. At that point, he was the best lynch. The case has now changed but that can hardly be used against me.

At that point, I don't think anyone else had claimed to be detective. Why not believe makaikhaan? We've still got another lynch if the kills don't stop tonight. I kept the vote for Sigurd because I forgot to change it. Or maybe he was still the best lynch. It depends on my post's relation to the following event:

CR, Caius, Elite Ferret and Cronos have all been linked to Sigurd without any shouts of protest. He's clearly innocent. Why carry on the vote when he has 4 (surely more than can be mafia) backing him up.

Of course, now the vote for khaan is as much about self-preservation. Yes, I know, mafia action! But at this stage, I'm thinking you guys might need the extra vote in your favour.

[Andres]

Well, we can discuss 'khaan's reveal ad eternitatem, but at a certain point, one has to take a decision. I decided to give 'khaan the benefit of the doubt and thus I believe he is the detective. The detective has a guilty on Sigurd. Thus far, that's the best reason I've seen so far to vote someone

My vote stays where it is.

[Craterus]

Well, we can discuss 'khaan's reveal ad eternitatem, but at a certain point, one has to take a decision. I decided to give 'khaan the benefit of the doubt and thus I believe he is the detective. The detective has a guilty on Sigurd. Thus far, that's the best reason I've seen so far to vote someone

My vote stays where it is.

A decision that leaves me conveniently for the lynch

However, interesting to note that only Caius has spoken up for Sigurd so far, the rest of his allies having yet to make an appearance. And Caius tried to fake a role PM to get khaan lynched. Interesting...

Although this does nothing to improve my own situation, there could be a partnership there between Sigurd and Caius, will have to await CR or Cronos and see what they say.

unvote: khaan, vote: Sigurd

[Sigurd]

No, no, no ... You shouldn't vote me. Don't lose focus now.

I am a prostitute and my partners are/were Caius and Crazed Rabbit.
I have compared notes with Cronos Impera and he has the exact same role as I have.
His partners were shlin28 and TevashSzat.

They will all confirm this. Caius and CR will vouch for me and shlin and Tevash will vouch for Cronos.
I can vouch for Cronos and he can for me.

I have been notified by Omanes that Elite Ferret is a client and Cronos have been notified that GH is a client.
This is the information I have. That leaves only you Andres, Craterus, makaikhaan and Ichigo as unknown.
Ichigo is probably a client too if we interpret phyros' statements correctly.
I can't with the confidence that CR has say that khaan is lying. In this game, the town has great power, and a detective role on top of it smacks of unfairness. That is unless his results can be ambiguous. And that is probably the case here. Yes I did send in orders to kill another innocent player and it was only CR's inactivity/time zone trouble that foiled it.

So you see, the killer of shlin must be one of the following:
Andres, Craterus or makaikhaan.

Right now I bet on the Craterus horse.