The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[Sigurd]

Don't forget to send me PMs people...

Deadline at 2000 GMT Sunday 17th of August.

[TinCow]

El Diablo could fight and there is no indication that he went to Valhalla. Could we have gotten lucky here?

[KukriKhan]

It's looking that way, I think.

Now: who's the little guy with the poison?

[Ferret]

I think it was more a convenient way to WoG some people rather than showing he had fighting skills, besides a lot of humans were good fighters too, not just the Jotun.

[glyphz]

Although this does not help with rooting out the Jotun...
This is the 2nd straight round with at least 10 no votes. If more gets WoG-ed, we're likely to lose track of the number of Kings, warriors, and/or Jotun...
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I'd prefer the Jotun win by staying one step in front of the town, rather than win with good help from WoG

[Motep]

I am unsure about the results of the lynch...

At any rate, these WoG's have to stop. They are doing considerable harm to the town, and making the job for the Jotun that much easier.

Screw it...Challenge: PK

[TinCow]

I wouldn't be too worried about the voting situation. Mafia games always seem to have a dip in activity on weekends. I expect we'll see it pick up again once the weekend is over.

[Tratorix]

I am unsure about the results of the lynch...

At any rate, these WoG's have to stop. They are doing considerable harm to the town, and making the job for the Jotun that much easier.

Screw it...Challenge: PK

Why do you think PK is Jotun all of a sudden? I don't get where this is coming from.

[Motep]

Why do you think PK is Jotun all of a sudden? I don't get where this is coming from.

He is the ehad of a secret organization in here that is trying to get me to reveal those who I know are innocent. Not only that, but the leader keps bugging me on the chat...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh wait, I'm eligible.

Challenge: Privateerkev

[Sarathos]

Challange:Pevergreen
Its either me or WOG...

[Privateerkev]

This town is hurtling itself towards self-destruction. Kag seems to be one of the only people who are actually trying.

GH and Motep have simply gotten lazy. And now they want to Holmgang so they can make sure they kill a townie. Unbelievable...

How many townies have to die for your fun GH? 1? 2? 10?

How many will satisfy you? How many Holmgangs do you need in order to make up for all the times you felt you got shafted in mafia roles?

After this Holmgang, will you at least stop?

I'm convinced your not Jotun. But you are quite possibly the worst townie I have ever seen in one of these games.

At this point, I welcome death just so I don't have to keep being the whipping boy for what is really some player's total laziness and absolutely faulty analysis.

[KukriKhan]

So, in kev-land, GH and Motep are bad townies, because they don't cooperate with you, Kage is a good guy because he does, and the rest of us deserve our fate.

I admire the rhetorical flourish, especially:

I welcome death just so I don't have to keep being the whipping boy

brilliant. Though a little self-centered. Which seems OOC for you.

With 3 challanges to face, it seems almost certain you will fight this day. If you expect death at the hands of GH, Motep or Sarathos, maybe now is a good time to reveal, so that you can talk about it after-death, and help the town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think I'm going to take it in stride and wear that "worst townie ever" badge with honor, PK. Although I wish you had played more than three big games because then it would have meant even more.

-edit- Kukri, Sarathos is challenging pevergreen, not PK. So there is a chance that he won't fight.

[KukriKhan]

D'oh. I am an idiot. OK then, PK has only a 2 out of 3 chance of fighting.

[LittleGrizzly]

Have to apologise for my absence for the vote, i did have a chance to have a quick look in but didn't want to vote without putting some thought or explanation into it, are people going to give a little explanation for challenging or is it ok just to challenge without a reason...

[CountArach]

It is fine to challenge without a reason, if you don't mind getting lynched

[LittleGrizzly]

Im unsure on Sarathos challenge, i don't know his role but i believe pever is a townie, he mentions something about wog so i don't know if he's claiming he's after someone who may be killed anyway, but i would say if someone could be wog'd leave them alone, maybe he'll come alive before the wog is active...

but anyway onto GH and Motep challenges, Motep is a well known king and GH is a well known champion, im inclined to believe both are not lieing about that, although some of thier behaviour has had me wondering..., have both challenged PK who im pretty sure is just a regular townie or some other lowly pro town role, the worst part i think it that this isn't done because he's believed to be Jotun, but because GH had a disagreement with PK so is holding some kind of grudge and well Motep i really haven't got a clue, from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me...

[FactionHeir]

but anyway onto GH and Motep challenges, Motep is a well known king [...] from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me...

[naut]

If Motep is a well known King, why in the blue blazes hasn't the Jotun taken him out yet?! It doesn't quite make sense.

[Privateerkev]

So, in kev-land, GH and Motep are bad townies, because they don't cooperate with you, Kage is a good guy because he does, and the rest of us deserve our fate.

No, they are bad townies because they insist on killing townies when we really don't need to. Holmgangs are optional. We don't have to use them. When you add up 2 Jotuns kills, 1 Holmgang, 1 lynch, and an average of 1 WoG, that is 5 dead townies every "round." We simply can not sustain that rate for much longer. So, those that encourage us to keep that rate up, are "bad townies."

With 3 challanges to face, it seems almost certain you will fight this day. If you expect death at the hands of GH, Motep or Sarathos, maybe now is a good time to reveal, so that you can talk about it after-death, and help the town.

I did...

And GH, you don't need to play a lot of large mafia games to do some simple math and figure out that you have ramped up our "townie burn rate" for your own amusement. Therefore, "worst townie ever" is a label you have, IMHO, earned. But I'm glad you don't mind. I will be more glad though if you actually help us win. I am sorry you find being a simple townie so boring that you feel you need to actually decrease the town's chances of winning, just so you can have a bit of fun.

[TinCow]

If Motep is a well known King, why in the blue blazes hasn't the Jotun taken him out yet?! It doesn't quite make sense.

Yes it does. There are two possible scenarios:

1) Motep is a King. The Jotun already know who he is and thus can kill him at their leisure. Plus, he's likely to be protected at night, so they may not want to waste a kill on someone who might not die. Finally, they leave him alive specifically so that the townies get paranoid about why he's being left alive and then lynch him, thus saving the Jotun a kill.
2) Motep is Jotun. No further explanation needed.

[Husar]

Challenge: Privateerkev

so he gets more of a chance.

[Privateerkev]

My King has ordered me to water down the Holmgang so we can protect Motep. It looks like we will save the Swedish King in spite of himself...

Challenge: Fenring

Your role PM looks nothing like the other role PM's I've seen. Except for W&F, but after his passionate plea to us to keep the chaos God alive, I don't believe anything W&F says.

[woad&fangs]

challenge: Husar

Because I don't like the other Homgang challenges. Please claim a role Husar.

[Craterus]

What is the case against PK? He's posted a very legitimate looking role PM, he's part of a growing townie network who's efforts seem to be dedicated entirely to whittling down the number of suspects.

Sadly, you continue to insist on killing your own. Fine, have your fun today, but I'd ask that we all feel a little restraint in future with Holmganging because, as PK has rightly pointed out, the kills are increasing and we're running out of time.

By the way, I'm pretty sure the Holmgang will prove my suspicions correct and it will clearly show PK's true allegiance to whichever faction he belongs.

Don't have dinner tonight guys, you'll be eating your words...

[Privateerkev]

The case against me is that I am pushing the town to actually do "work."

And GH's case against me is solely based on the fact that he can't believe that I would have been initially skeptical of his role change.

Who would have thought. Skepticism... in a mafia game...

[Kralizec]

Kev, you're either completely misguided and incredibly stubborn or a Jotun. Since there's a good chance I'll be dead after the challenge I'll reveal my entire role PM:

HUMAN - Fenring

Fennir "the ringleader"

Greetings player. You have received the role of War Veteran and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your King is Vladimir I and your faction is Rus.

Good luck.

Duel score: 4

[woad&fangs]

Okay, Vladimir I is like the 5th or so name of a lord to be revealed. All of them are from the same timeframe except one: Motep's Role.

[Privateerkev]

Kev, you're either completely misguided and incredibly stubborn or a Jotun. Since there's a good chance I'll be dead after the challenge I'll reveal my entire role PM:

Your faction name is in the wrong place. Your King name is in the wrong place. I have never seen Sigurd say "greetings player" or "good luck." I have never seen the word "duel" used in place of "Holmgang." The overall format is "off."

I believe your role PM is an utter and complete forgery. I gave you the chance to discuss it in private but you insisted on being stubborn. So, here we are.