OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Ignoramus]

Any specific reason you quoted me?

This one.

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Actually, it was a mistake.

[ULC]

This one.

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Actually, it was a mistake.

Well, which question then! Don't confuse me like that!

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I can do this endlessly you know

[Northnovas]

I'm going on a short one week vacation from the 22nd of September until the 30th of September (or 1st of October).

I'd love to resume play with Savvas once I return

Thnx for keeping him alive and giving him is two bottles of wine/per day during my absence

And I also demand a wage increase! 1000 florins/turn for each Senator, a 15 hour work week and at least 100 days off/a year!

Aux barricades, citoyens!

Alright I can stop pming myself! Glad to have you active again.

[Privateerkev]

You know what, yelling in the Magnaura a few minutes ago made me realize something.

I still haven't gotten over the fact OOC that Ignoramus broke the rules multiple times without being punished. I thought I did, but it is still lingering there and affecting my IC interactions.

Combine that with the fact that I've been punished OOC for relatively minor things and I feel this game is ruined for me.

I know the whole "Ignoramus broke the rules" thing has been beaten to death OOC and I have no desire to open up that can of worms again. I personally think TC made a very bad call as GM when he let Ig slide three times but I fear that ship has long sailed.

So, since I can't get over it, and I am finding myself getting more and more pissed off in "real life" over this, I have decided to quit the game. Please kill Makedonios immediately.

New will: Give everything to Armatos or let him distribute it.

Thanks for the ride guys but at some point, this all started to really suck.

[pevergreen]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PK DONT DO IT!!!

Caps Lock aside, don't make a hasty decision. Or if it is really that bad, don't go right out and kill him.

You are one of the major players here PK, plus without you, Michail loses his only target of anger thats left alive!

[TinCow]

You know what, yelling in the Magnaura a few minutes ago made me realize something.

I still haven't gotten over the fact OOC that Ignoramus broke the rules multiple times without being punished. I thought I did, but it is still lingering there and affecting my IC interactions.

Combine that with the fact that I've been punished OOC for relatively minor things and I feel this game is ruined for me.

I know the whole "Ignoramus broke the rules" thing has been beaten to death OOC and I have no desire to open up that can of worms again. I personally think TC made a very bad call as GM when he let Ig slide three times but I fear that ship has long sailed.

So, since I can't get over it, and I am finding myself getting more and more pissed off in "real life" over this, I have decided to quit the game. Please kill Makedonios immediately.



Thanks for the ride guys but at some point, this all started to really suck.

I do find comments like this to be in very poor taste. This is a game, not life. This happened over a month ago and it doesn't even remotely impact the current IC strength of the various armies. Whatever OOC punishment that Igno missed was more than made up for by the IC amendment that stripped him of his auto-Megas ability. Complaining about inequality in this situation is absurd, especially when the only penalty inflicted upon you was the loss of a single influence in an Emergency Session vote that wasn't even close.

If you want to quit, I won't stand in your way. If you still feel the way you do when I return from vacation, I will kill you off. If you want to be gone before then, just stop playing or find another way to die.

[_Tristan_]

Yes, PK... That seems rather rash...

I hope you will reconsider...

I'll agree with you that this whole business has not been dealt with as soundly as it could have been but the Order survived, Mak survived and you are actually not the worse off for Ignoramus' "cheating" (for want of a better word)...

Makedonios is one of the liveliest character in the game and its loss will be deeply felt...

I had a terrible feeling that this was where you were heading when you decided to step down in the Order feudal chain but I kept my fingers crossed and prayed I was wrong...

Seems I wasn't... I truly hope you will reconsider.

[Rowan]

Let's see...
PK stepping down and quitting.
Cecil unable to connect to .org.
BananaBob absent.

So the senior Order player present is... me. Oh ¤%#.

[Andres]

You know what, yelling in the Magnaura a few minutes ago made me realize something.

I still haven't gotten over the fact OOC that Ignoramus broke the rules multiple times without being punished. I thought I did, but it is still lingering there and affecting my IC interactions.

Combine that with the fact that I've been punished OOC for relatively minor things and I feel this game is ruined for me.

I know the whole "Ignoramus broke the rules" thing has been beaten to death OOC and I have no desire to open up that can of worms again. I personally think TC made a very bad call as GM when he let Ig slide three times but I fear that ship has long sailed.

So, since I can't get over it, and I am finding myself getting more and more pissed off in "real life" over this, I have decided to quit the game. Please kill Makedonios immediately.



Thanks for the ride guys but at some point, this all started to really suck.

Hi PK.

In all honesty, TinCow asked my opinion when the "Ignoramus-case" went crescendo.

I think you handled Ignoramus' infraction well. A few people interpreted Igno's statements as if he did it intentionally, but he denies it. The problem with an internet forum is that you cannot judge if somebody did something on purpose or not, and the elements at hand were rather ambiguous. By giving him a free pass, you gave him the benefit of the doubt. A second offense by the same player, should be severely punished imo (removal of the avatar). If one gets a slap on the wrist, he's supposed to continue play carefully and with the utmost diligence, so not being forgiving for a second offense is reasonable.

Repeated offenses by the same player or a player who is ignoring you, means you have a rotten apple in the basket...

With "one" offense I meant all infractions made by Igno during his Megas turn that were brought up at the time.

So if you feel a mistake has been made in this case, than I take part of the blame and I apologise

However, we are all human, even TinCow is.

Players put alot of time and effort in this game, but that's nothing compared to the amount of time and work the host puts into it.

Having hosted a couple of mafia games myself, I know it's hard work (and that's nothing compared to this monster!), but I also know that there's no greater pleasure than seeing the players enjoying themselves.

By quitting the game because TinCow made one error of judgement (which is debatable, I for one don't quite agree, it's not as easy, simple, clear and straightforward as it seems when you look from the perspective of a game host (as opposed to the perspective of a player)) is harsh and I believe you should reconsider your decision.

Try to look at this from TC's perspective and from the perspective of your fellow players.

Let the past be the past is easy for me, but I can understand that it's not as easy for everybody, but really, it's what you should do right now: let the past be the past.

And let us all be very careful not to get carried away by emotions too easily. I'm also human and I know myself. When I'm upset about something Org-related, I simply log off, cool down and wait for at least a couple of hours before coming back. If you feel anger is guiding your hands when typing, just quit, log off and come back tomorrow

[TinCow]

Privateerkev is now banned from all Throne Room activities for 30 days. This is due to a post which I have removed.

[_Tristan_]

[Dafuge]

Hi guys. I'm writing this from an internet cafe. I have no internet access at all. I might be able to vote if you tell me the exct date it will be up but it will be a struggle as I'm going on holiday. So unfortunatly I have to leave this game.

[_Tristan_]

The Order is sinking.... fast...

[GeneralHankerchief]

...and on that note, have a good trip, TC.

In other news, the period for legislation proposal will close in a little over 10 hours.

-edit- KoP, voting will be open for two days starting 22:00 US Eastern time.

[Ferret]

Well that was a bit childish...

[Ituralde]

Well, I was afraid this was going to happen.

I hope PK will eventually rejoin the game. He has always been a great addition to it. That's all I'm gonna say on the topic.

[Warmaster Horus]

Holy... Out of all the players here who would "erupt", I didn't think PK would...
And on a slightly better note; welcome back Andres!

Edit: I entirely agree with Ituralde.

[Smowz]

Ignoramus,

Could you clear your inbox a little please :).

[Ignoramus]

I'm really sorry that PK felt that way about my mistakes. I'd thought it'd all been fixed up. If people still have concerns about whether they can trust me to follow the rules as Megas again, then I can pull out of this election. I'd to maintain again that my mistakes were purely accidental, not intentional.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Well.. leave for 10 hours and something like this happens! ~

Hope that PK will return though.

[Ramses II CP]

Well, considering what's just gone on with PK I'll repeat myself for absolute clarity: I hold no grudges and have no problem with anyone here over those issues. My PM box is always open. I was quite annoyed at the time but IMHO the combination of the emergency session and the reworked rules have dealt with all my concerns. I did intend to write another (hopefully) amusing Isaeus post regarding the Caesar's run for Megas, but I just haven't had the time yet.

I don't speak for PK in any way, but I think it was a pretty big deal to him for his Megas term to be seen as fair, and I know he worked very hard to build and train troops evenly throughout the empire. I think the IC smears might have come through to him as OOC complaints which he felt were unjustified. I have no idea what nasty thing he posted (I spent a chunk of yesterday putting together a new computer) but I really hope we can all work past it and continue to have fun with LotR.

As a technical aside, how are we handling PK's absence from Mak? I know his last request was to kill the character off, but I believe he'll calm down and come back after serving his ban out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As a technical aside, how are we handling PK's absence from Mak? I know his last request was to kill the character off, but I believe he'll calm down and come back after serving his ban out.

Before he left, TC said he'd give PK two weeks to think about it while he was gone. Obviously, the ban changes things.

I strongly recommend that the next Megas simply move Mak into a nice, protected city for a while, similar to what happened with Savvas while Andres was away (welcome back, BTW ), with the reasoning that leaving him alive and sheltered doesn't do any harm if he doesn't return, but killing him off will definitely do some harm if PK rejoins us.

[_Tristan_]

Perhaps have him relinquinsh all his retinue (for the sake of the game) put him out of harm's way (eg, in Nicosia) and consider IC that he's gone monk or something of the kind... for the duration of the ban...

Thoughts ?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Perhaps have him relinquinsh all his retinue (for the sake of the game) put him out of harm's way (eg, in Nicosia) and consider IC that he's gone monk or something of the kind... for the duration of the ban...

Thoughts ?

Elegant solution. I don't think we want an actual IC explanation where he's gone since we don't have PK's approval, but all of the characters can get the general idea that Mak went off to "find himself" or something.

As for retinue, with the Order's current state of flux it's not as cut-and-dry as I would like. I'll check the game in a few hours and see what needs to be moved.

[TinCow]

As a technical aside, how are we handling PK's absence from Mak? I know his last request was to kill the character off, but I believe he'll calm down and come back after serving his ban out.

I am not removing PK from the game, just suspending him for essentially 1 term. Mak will be treated just as I stated before: kept alive unless PK absolutely still wants him dead. If Mak is still alive when the 30 days are up, PK is free to resume playing him as if nothing happened. I most certainly do not want PK to leave the game, as he is a great asset to LotR and the Throne Room. However, he intentionally crossed a line and forced my hand.

[Rowan]

I really hope Cecil will get back to the game as soon as possible. First, because Armatos owns a ton of more or less prime real estate that is in a limbo. And all of the land Order may acquire will also go to him...
Second, I reaaally don't want to manage Order affairs in the long term. I just don't have enough time or energy to sink into this game.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Phew.. three hours of writing is finally over..

[Smowz]

Good stuff there Ibn Khaldun.

I have to ask what an earth is happening to the order? Its turning into one ragtag band - reminds me of the Asteri in the old days...

How is your WotB game going? I may give it a whirl some time (though maybe after this upcoming term!!!).

[Ibn-Khaldun]

How is your WotB game going? I may give it a whirl some time (though maybe after this upcoming term!!!).

Just check the WotB forum here in the Throne Room. I have said it to others but I never imagined it to be so hard to be the GM.

I have to ask what an earth is happening to the order? Its turning into one ragtag band - reminds me of the Asteri in the old days...

I really don't know.. Theo have the Alcoholic trait and I like to play it to the max but I don't know about the others

Good stuff there Ibn Khaldun.

[Rowan]

I have to ask what an earth is happening to the order? Its turning into one ragtag band - reminds me of the Asteri in the old days...

Let's see... BananaBob's been absent for a while because of no internet. PK stepped down and got banned. At exactly the same time Cecil, who should be taking control, started to have a mysterious problem where he couldn't access .org, but could otherwise connect to the net. He mentioned this in the private Order message board about two days before PK pulled the plug on it, so now we don't have any way to contact him. Knight_of_Palma is leaving the game, I can't recall why but if I had to guess I'd say it's connection problems. Ramses is playing a guy way off the deep end in the darkest Africa. Ibn-Khaldun just joined and his avatar doesn't have any land, so he's not a full Knight but compensates by being an alcoholic. And then there's me...