Christianity Offially on the UP in England and Wales

**Beskar** · 09-21-2010, 18:01

I have to admit, I can't help thinking of the Warhammer 40k universe with some of the arguments used for or by religion. I think it was earlier some one already mentioned Slaanesh.

It is interesting seeing how religion is constructed there.

**drone** · 09-21-2010, 19:51

Originally Posted by Beskar

I have to admit, I can't help thinking of the Warhammer 40k universe with some of the arguments used for or by religion. I think it was earlier some one already mentioned Slaanesh.

Different thread.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
Educate men without faith and you but make them clever devils.
To Question is to doubt.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
All souls call out for salvation.
Purge the unclean. Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant.

**Shibumi** · 09-21-2010, 20:28

Originally Posted by drone

Different thread.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
Educate men without faith and you but make them clever devils.
To Question is to doubt.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
All souls call out for salvation.
Purge the unclean. Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant.

Must have missed that part of the bible, seems more like some later preaching, surely anglo-saxon of origin [/jest].

Was it England or Ireland who just got their blasphemy laws back?

**Vladimir** · 09-21-2010, 20:39

Originally Posted by Shibumi

Must have missed that part of the bible, seems more like some later preaching, surely anglo-saxon of origin [/jest].

Was it England or Ireland who just got their blasphemy laws back?

Ireland. But I think it had something to do with worshiping the porcelain god after the Guinness anniversary celebration.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 09-21-2010, 21:00

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

Not in the UK it wasn't. But I would submit that things like Hiroshima, Dresden, Berlin, Killing Fields, Vietnam etc. etc. did a lot to invalidate societal conventions and following a Faith is merely collateral damage.

Coventry was horrific, but Exeter was bombed just to break English pride (the Cathedral was one buttress from going down here).

Even so, the Continent did not exactly burn

Originally Posted by Shibumi

Must have missed that part of the bible, seems more like some later preaching, surely anglo-saxon of origin [/jest].

Was it England or Ireland who just got their blasphemy laws back?

Those quotes are from Warhammar 40K, not Christianity.

So you lose theology and geek points.

**Shibumi** · 09-21-2010, 21:18

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Coventry was horrific, but Exeter was bombed just to break English pride (the Cathedral was one buttress from going down here).

Even so, the Continent did not exactly burn

Those quotes are from Warhammar 40K, not Christianity.

So you lose theology and geek points.

You REALLY are not an avid fan of sarcasm, are you?

GW is a English company, hence my reference to anglo-saxons... And you must have missed the [/jest] part.

So You, dear sir, lose sarcasm and geek points. O maj gawd, yaou laust da internetz!

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 09-21-2010, 21:30

Originally Posted by Shibumi

You REALLY are not an avid fan of sarcasm, are you?

GW is a English company, hence my reference to anglo-saxons... And you must have missed the [/jest] part.

So You, dear sir, lose sarcasm and geek points. O maj gawd, yaou laust da internetz!

Why would I be a fan or Sarcasm? It's lazy.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 09-21-2010, 21:49

A soul-searcher for all you evil atheists!

You have an 18 year old daughter. Pretty little thing, slightly naive, really just a little girl still. She went out for a drink, and takes the bus home, alone, at 2AM. She's had too much too drink, and keeps somewhat passing out. Other people will have to get her home. Whom would you rather wish shared this bus with her, was she dependent on:

A) four young Christian, Churchgoing men
B) four random blokes
C) a horde of Swedish atheists, led by ringleader Kadagar
D) Louis VI, Vladimir, HoreTore, Beskar, all four suddenly sporting identical Beatles clothes and hair, singing 'Twist and Shout', while obviously under the influence of ungodly amounts of alcohol.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 09-21-2010, 22:49

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Coventry was horrific, but Exeter was bombed just to break English pride (the Cathedral was one buttress from going down here).

Even so, the Continent did not exactly burn

Point is that events happened, perhaps more on the continent than in the UK itself, which defied all notions of any form of “civilisation”. And it did not stop there but continued to go on in other parts of the world. That sort of thing tends to make you re-evaluate the unspoken conventions of your society and a fair few number of people decided that having a God in your life does not go without saying, they discovered plenty of theology-defying pieces of scientific evidence and in general did enough to instill a notion that God is largely irrelevant anyway (and probably nonexistent too).

**Shibumi** · 09-21-2010, 23:07

Tellos Athenaios, that is a very reasonable take on it.

I always wondered about the wars where both sides worshiped the same God. Would that not seem rather... Pointless from the perspective of a believer?

"Us english have the favour of God with us, contrary to you bastard Italians believing in your God! Now let us pray we shoot you to bits. Sure we still have to aim and stuff, God is not that much in our favour we can't aim, he help those who help themselves (making him slightly redundant one might think), but you know, he still is. Favouring us that is."