Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
It's true that objective morality doesn't entail us being able to figure it out. But why do you say we have no way to find out? I think it's at least as tough to claim that it's a fact that we can't determine the truth of a belief as it is to claim that a basic moral (like murder) is factual.



The basics are self evident given adequate reasoning ability and information, and a person who is looking for a fact about it and not trying to grind an axe.




Well is a less drastic example the same as a more ambiguous example? How about, say, I promise to pick you up somewhere and then don't because I was watching a mildly amusing tv show.

But the animal rights movement is based in part on empirical claims about animal cognition. And the argument against fur would have to go further and show that the people wearing it were somehow immorally ignorant.
Untill we find a way to refute Hume's sceptiscism i think we can safely say that we have not found a way yet.