[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wonder what Chaotix thinks when he finds that we've created a 4-way tie to end the 3-way tie situation

Don't, just don't. Knowing Chaotix, and my luck, it will be 4 dead townies.

Also, I don't have a lynch immunity. Like you can take my word for it, but there it is. I would die on the first lynch, as hopefully Samus et al will.

[Diamondeye]

Don't, just don't. Knowing Chaotix, and my luck, it will be 4 dead townies.

Also, I don't have a lynch immunity. Like you can take my word for it, but there it is. I would die on the first lynch, as hopefully Samus et al will.

Do you have the Overdrive ability?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do you have the Overdrive ability?

No, I don't. If I gain either power, I will let you know.

Why? Because I have a trustworthy face. I know it's around here somewhere.


edit: All right I'm off. Vote stays on Renata. Don't forget to tell me who to investigate or kill, especially if you have a solid lead on someone.

[Frozen In Ice]

I really hope I don't regret this Pizza, but I agree that we should let you live. Renata still seems like a longshot, but still more likely than just randomly choosing someone to be lynched. Unvote, vote: Renata

[Greyblades]

Deal with the devil, eh?

I've got to hand it to you pizza - nobody's more tenacious in fighting a lost cause.

You want a lost cause you should have seen me in noble sons 2.

[Seon]

Well, if nothing else, I scanned Renata yesterday and found out that she was using an active ability. It's a weak evidence, but there you go.

Unvote. Vote: Renata

[Frozen In Ice]

I can't completely trust that what you say is true Seon, but this an interesting development indeed. We should go through with the Renata lynch.

[Csargo]

While I'm not sure about the Renata lynch in itself, I am sure that the reason we're lynching her is a bad one. I'm putting my vote back on Unvote:, Vote:ATPG for now.

[thefluffyone93]

Well, after reading through 3 whole pages, I'm still not entirely convinced, but
Unvote; Vote: Renata
Is this vote coming in too late?

[landlubber]

The best way to help the town now is unvote, vote: Renata.

[Link]

I agree Vote: Renata

[Beefy187]

Sorry for all the trouble.
I want to thank those who fought for my life when I was away.
I was out all day yesterday and got back at midnight

I promise to play properly from next day onwards as I think I'm getting a powerful ability this night phase and I wanted to survive till then.

[Winston Hughes]

Well, if nothing else, I scanned Renata yesterday and found out that she was using an active ability. It's a weak evidence, but there you go.

Do we have a claim for this ability?

While I'm not sure about the Renata lynch in itself, I am sure that the reason we're lynching her is a bad one.

You're right. Lynching what could be a town power role to save a known villain, based on weak evidence supplied by that villain, and leaving her virtually no chance to respond...

If Renata were around to argue her case, it seems impossible we'd be lynching her instead of ATPG.

unvote; vote: ATPG

You're too good at this, pizza. When even I'm falling for the 'let me live long enough to help' schtick, it shows just how dangerous it is to cut you any slack at all.

[Reenk Roink]

Niiiiice. So if I am reading this right, TinCow and team Dark Samus and Atpg have a falling out, which leads TinCow to expose Atpg and Atpg to expose Renata.

This game is more than just GF and IDFH though (as any dead GF/IDFH will affirm) there are all of these anti town roles that have to be killed. Obviously it is extremely likely that Atpg is one of them and his claim of only being just anti Samus and Dark Samus is BS. Kill him unless he keeps feeding us Mafia in lieu of him. When he runs out or they run out, kill him.

Also TinCow, I'm very upset at you about this:

You're welcome, Samus.

I can't believe you would even think to help Samus out by doing this. This reminds me of all the Mafia families in Capo 3 working together, which is just total crap.

Defeating and killing Team Samus should be done FIRST, then killing the SKs, then the town which is the weakest of your enemies.

That's how we Barzini's played it in Capo I and that's why we were the greatest team ever assembled: Prole, CR, and myself and later Don, Alex, Pindar, Xiahou (all republicans though, but nobody's perfect), sure we lost, but it's a Mafia game and not the SCF, style is more important the W/L.

[DELETE_THIS]

Renata is going to be pissed for lynching her without her being able to defend herself.

[Reenk Roink]

Renata is going to be pissed for lynching her without her being able to defend herself.

True, but it doesn't matter TOO MUCH in this case. Even if Renata turned out protown, it would be a loss, but in this game it is mitigated by the fact that townies can gain powers. Plus Atpg would then be lynched sooner and not later, where it is more dangerous if any kind of scheme is cooking.

Or perhaps you are working with Renata?

[DELETE_THIS]

It was more a statement than anything else ;-).

[Reenk Roink]

Couple of things to think about:

First, the entire thing of TinCow and his team and the other team feeling that they are unable to kill Atpg has enough plausibility to be entertained for a round or even two, but another somewhat plausible scenario is that this entire scenario was cooked up and the two may be working more closely then they let on.

Second, given Nictel's two latest posts, another explanation for Atpg going after Nictel so much before that somewhat increases in plausibility is that he investigated him, but didn't want to reveal, so he tried to lynch him by making up a case. The case sucked and was entirely unconvincing, and this does explain the somewhat forced nature of it all.

[Renata]

I cannot believe ATPG is trying to get away with this again. This is worse than Zelda mafia (and completely incomparable to Capo III), because there his role was at least plausibly non-exclusive with a town victory. Here? Not so much. I wish I had time to post more.

vote: ATPG

My role is Travis Touchdown (IDFH Survivalist) and I got a power called Elemental Guard that protects against cold/heat-based attacks. I protected Winston Hughes last night.

[Renata]

And yeah, I'm a little bit pissed. See you on the flip side, whatever happens. Winston is damn right I'm not going away.

[Reenk Roink]

The thing I see is, your guilt is obviously not anywhere near Atpg's, who is almost certainly some type of non town role. So Atpg would definitely be more surefire in preventing another townie to be lynched.

With that being said, the claim on you is that you are Mafia, which is worse than a SK. Also, should you turn out to be Mafia, then a decent plan Atpg may be used for a bit before he is discarded.

Obviously, the three players at the center of this claim are TinCow who is confirmed Mafia, and Atpg and Beskar, who certainly have a case to having their pants down (especially Atpg but never lose suspicion of Beskar).

That being said, a grand conspiracy seems less likely than the gist of what is claimed to be the truth (aside from Atpg not being a total SK and rather just anti-Mafia which I don't buy and we don't have to buy).

Thus I can see the argument of killing you first to see how much more we can milk from the situation.

[woad&fangs]

unvote: Renata; Vote: ATPG
Hope this is still before the deadline.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hmm we really need a votecount.

[pevergreen]

hmm we really need a votecount.

Working off ATPG's last tally

Renata: 8 (ATPG, Yaropolk, Diamondeye, Ironside, Frozen, Seon, Thefluffyone, landlubber)
ATPG: 5 (Nictel, Csargo, Winston, Renata, woad&fangs)

Glenn: 4 (Cecil, Jarema, Insanious, dcmort)
Beefy: 4 (Beefy, Renata, Romanic, Beskar,

Seon: 3 (pevergreen, DIY, Classical)

Jarema: 2 (ByzantineKnight, Link) Link did not unvote

Fluffy: 1 (Double A
landlubber: 1 (Glenn)
Csargo: 1 (Khazaar)
pevergreen: 1 (God Emperor)
Winston: 1 (johnhughthom)
Insanious: 1 (Skooma)

As far as I can tell, we have just under 2 hours until this phase ends

[thefluffyone93]

Unvote; Vote: ATPG
Again, whats the worst that could happen?

[Chaotix]

The phase is ending in approximately an hour and a half.

For exactness, I will make it 11:00 PM EST.

[pevergreen]

Just to annoy Chaotix:

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

That makes it 7-7?

Tie! Tie!

Also, as I said in my last post - working with serial killer = bad memories.

[Cecil XIX]

Just to annoy Chaotix:

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

That makes it 7-7?

Tie! Tie!

Also, as I said in my last post - working with serial killer = bad memories.

Although last time, the SK did kill off all the Mafia. Imagine if he had started earlier and we had had the time to deal with him afterwards?

unvote, vote: Renata

[Romanic]

I'll lynch a confirmed killer over a potential threat any day.

And the Town can control its destiny, we don't need to rely on an enemy, especially considering how good and manipulative ATPG is.

unvote; vote: ATPG

[pevergreen]

Although last time, the SK did kill off all the Mafia. Imagine if he had started earlier and we had had the time to deal with him afterwards?

unvote, vote: Renata

True, but thats one game.

I think I have the weight of numbers on my side. In chaotix's last game, I was a serial killer, and a dead person outed me to the town, breaking the rules by doing so. I managed to live for another day or two, pretending I would work with the town, but I was then killed at night. I did the same thing as ATPG, moved the lynch off me onto another person (though I knew the person I moved it onto was mafia, as I was told that when I attacked them) and played 'townie sk'. TinCow did the exact thing in Netherworld, formed his own mafia family and won.