To return to a small debate a few pages ago.
Palestine is not recognised a country, so it doesn't show up in many country rankings. The West Bank and Gaza however sometimes do:
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To return to a small debate a few pages ago.
Palestine is not recognised a country, so it doesn't show up in many country rankings. The West Bank and Gaza however sometimes do:
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The new shopping mall which opened in Gaza last year.
The 'Crazy Water Park' which opened in Gaza last year.
It served the privileged in Gaza, of whch there are quite a few. Masked men burned down the park because men and women were allowed to mingle.
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Ha they can't see them anyway it's of no use posting links
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I just find it interesting that you would say you decry terrorism and stand for freedom and civilization; and yet while doing so you brag that you would shoot civilians and watch them drown.Originally Posted by Fragony
I think you could understand that some people might find that a bit... you know.
What a lovely tenet to base an ideology and country upon. Will there be slavery or genocide first? Shall the blacks get in line right off or should the crippled go before them?
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muhaha haven't decided yet, the crippled blacks I guess. Your buddies have though, they made up their minds decades ago. They aren't even lying about it please, typical, the gutmensch believes everything Hamas says, except when they say they want to kill jews because they are jews. Screw all that, but fine you can call me a nazi (or Suzy) SIEG LOL
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It's not what I call you that matters. What matters is who you are. Given your stated delight in killing people...
You and your friends seem to have become exactly like the people who persecuted you decades ago and who had to be driven off by others.
Next time we won't bother.
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Beirut why don't you go out to take a dump in the woods and leave your best arguments there, a Reductio ad Hitlerum is soooooo pathetic. It doesn't even bother me it bores me. But I'll play, you said the rockets should be aimed, aimed at who? You know they aren't very accurate, might hit the wrong people even when really aiming them, you know that
I haven't forgotten what you said in a thread I made about the nature of a grudge, it's what keeps you warm at night good for you.
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Well, it is in the nature of my work.
Things always look worse in Latin. But you'll be alright.
The soldiers who murder Palestinians under the cover of official orders.
What keeps me warm at night is my wife. Though a grudge might talk less.
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Israel is an evil state. It is a malignancy in the region. The majority of good Israelis are done a great disservice by their evil government. There will never be peace until modern Israel ceases to exist and is replaced by a non-apartheid government. Palestinians should learn from the non-violent resistance in Egypt.
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Left out a bit, these rockets aren't accurate they can hit anything, so you can't really care about what gets hit. Hamas doesn't. They do care when they finally get one back. These actually are accurate so they use human shields for maximal outrage, and it works. People who will always solemny declare they condemn all violence but never do are once again beyond comforting
@Tuff Israeli arabs have the highest standard of living in the middle-east. They aren't as well-fed as the Palestinians though but then again 99% of the world isn't
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Perhaps. I excuse such things by saying that is unintended collateral damage (often because the terrorists hide out near civilians). You excuse terrorist attacks aimed at children by saying Palestinians have a lot of reasons to hate Israel.
And are those Israeli state killings targeted at people for the crime of being homosexual? If not, why are you equating Israel targeting and killing terrorists with Palestinians targeting and killing homosexuals?And yet Israel conducts regime supported killings and they have no-go neighbourhoods for homosexuals. Hmmmm... that looks pretty bad.
I doubt that, especially that they desire a state of endless conflict in order to steal the 'resources' of the Palestinians. Do you think they desire and endless state of war with rockets fired at their homes, forever? What human would want that?It works to their advantage. They get to play their decades-long victim routine, and they hide behind that as an excuse to (continue to) steal land and resources from the Palestinians. Treat the Palestinians like animals in the hopes they behave like animals because no one cares what you do to animals.
The west bank and gaza are among the fattest people in the world. Hardly starving refugees.
Were they in the minority in the south? The civil rights movement changed the minds of people outside the area of discrimination, and it was those outsiders who ended segregation.In that case the US bigots were in the minority. The Palestinians have to face Israel and the US and Canada and all the other puppet countries that toe the Israeli line no matter what Israel does. That's a big enemy for the Palestinians to go toe to toe with.
And no, the USA and Canada would not back Israel no matter what.
NO.Better than just sitting back and letting them murder people and keep the rest imprisoned for life.
"Sitting back" as you call it could END THE VIOLENCE. You think it unfair that the Palestinians would have to suffer while not striking back, but surely the peace would be worth it. Now, which is better, an endless futile struggle from the Palestinians or an end to the strife and their bad situation? You speak at length about what the Israelis do to the Palestinians, but do you care more about ending the Palestinians' suffering or seeing Israel suffer?
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Uh, let me get this straight: the guy (you) who brags that he wants to kill civilians is parsing my statements to imply that maybe, perhaps, there's a chance that I don't care if civilians get hurt even though I have repeatedly said civilians should not be targeted?
I applaud you for your active imagination if not your reading skills.
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I would have absolutely sunk that Flottilla yes, watching them drown was a bit much but I'm a poet at heart.
Again, you said these rockets should be aimed, but these rockets aren't accurate but you still say they shouldn't hit civilians. Que? Is that a new approach to making sense. Almost as silly as condemning violence from both sides without ever actually doing so.
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Duh, guys, it's the same old arguments and they're still as bad as they were back then.
Israel may cause collateral damage, that would be fine if they didn't do it to defend illegal settlements that they built on the razed former homes of Palestinians.
The israeli settlers who "train" their children to throw stones at palestinian children while the army watches hardly prove that Israel is only in it because it was attacked, that's all a load of rubbish.
The Palestinians on the other hand fire homemade rockets into israeli cities, that's a terrorist attack, it's nowhere near a targeted attack on military, they also send their children to blow themselves up in israeli buses, trams and cafes, hardly places where you expect military, they're using prolonged terrorist scare tactics which obviously don't soften up the Israelis but make them harder and harder, they also "train" their kids to throw stones at israelis.
To say that either side just wants to live in peace is also rubbish, there are enough people on both sides who don't want peace that there is none and while I believe that both sides may have people who do want peace, they are obviously not getting through on too many levels, either because they're too quiet or because they're drowned out by those who prefer war.
This whole "Israel is better!" - "No, Palestine is better!" etc. seems pretty pathetic considering that they're both a thousand times worse than for example Norway. It's like choosing sides between Sauron and Palpatine.
Or...wait for it...
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Of course Israel is better, the Arabs aren't all dead are they. It absolutely puzzles me why people despise the jews so much. What did they ever do to deserve it? A few settlements? Much worse things have happened, like being absolutely massacred in Jordania by these sick Phalanx lot absolute scum, christians by the way, murderers and rapists, got a great book with photographs from Beirut (the city, not the member that's calling me a nazi) surely they must have had a reason as well
Just musing, Europeans dehumanise the jews because that's easier than admitting what has happened. Israel is a nice excuse, somwhere, somehow. We all know it wasn't just the Nazi's.
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For the record I would rather be under palpatine than sauron, palpatine doesnt want to kill or even enslave everyone, just rule over them.
As for hitler vs stalin; I'm a white straight male, hitler had people killed for being a certain race, sexuality or dissability, stalin just killed anyone in the way, I'd at least be safer from roaming government death squads in nazi Germany than stalin Russia.
Last edited by Greyblades; 02-04-2011 at 12:14.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
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are you sure? do you occupy a position of any political or social influence and have you ever displayed any ideological impurity? The Gulag archipelago might be waiting for you..........
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Not realy I dont think college students were randomly rounded up and sent to concentration camps under the Nazi's unless they acted up and as far as apperances go I'm pretty average, as long as I dont do anything to tick off the local SS I should be fine.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
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The point, and it really is the point, is that until the Palestinians are free there can never be any progress. And the conditions of that freedom cannot be dictated by the jailers who have kept them locked up for generations.
It is illogical and immoral to dispossess and imprison a people, cut them off from the world, treat them like animals, and then say "Maybe we'll give you a day pass now and then if you submit more appropriately".
The incarceration of the Palestinians is unprecedented in the modern world. Only South African apartheid approaches it in brutality and inhumanity. And it was not for the black South Africans "to behave" that was a prerequisite to their being freed; being freed had to come first. It was their incarceration that was the root of the evils that plagued both sides.
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Fine, not my idea of being fine. Wouldn't you give a crap. I'm not fine with it it disgusts me. you just don't mindlessly kill other human beings, unless they think it's a good thing of course, screw these as they are flawed
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...Fine as in surviving. Guilt tripper. Think about it; stalin starved and killed many of his own people indiscriminately, "ones a tradgedy a million's a statisitc" remember, whereas nazi's killed you for being jewish/gay/black/not white but left you alone otherwise. I was saying that I would prefer germany than russia if that was the only choice. If given the chance in that situation I would have run for the USA and never looked back but with only those two as choices I'll take my chances with the guys who aren't as eager to kill people in the demographic I am in.
Last edited by Greyblades; 02-04-2011 at 13:40.
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While it doesn't excuse the actions of the Israeli government, we in the West have a big misconception about the biggest issue in the conflict - the 'we were there first' argument.
Israeli's are not all aggressive colonists stealing land from the native Palestinians. The Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza strip are almost entirely descended from immigrants from the Arab nations that came after the early Jewish settlers transformed the land and created work. And then decided they wanted a country of their own.
Even in Louix Theroux's documentary last night, it showed how the Palestinians treated the Jewish settlers in East Jerusalem. Even though these settlers are deemed illegal and seen as taking historic Palestian land, that part of the city had in fact been taken in an Arab pogrom a few decades ago.
Fundamentally, the Jews have just as much claim to that land as the Arabs, probably more.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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But you said:
Perhaps a week or two of quiet reflection in a peaceful enviroment would allow you to gather your thoughts and express them with more... precision, and intellectual honesty.
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Well, you tell me; werent the people who invaded and occupied your country decades ago exactly the kind of people who would have looked at a boat full of civilians and said: "I'd shoot them and watch them down. Without feeling all that bad at all."
Good thing a bunch of people didn't share that point of view and came over and pulled your fat out of the fire.
The Palestinians deserve to be saved just as your people were.
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Will you undo the English conquest and subjugation of French Canada and leave Québec?
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What are you omn about? Who here despises the jews? And it's not "just some settlements" when they raze your house and your whole existance to the ground to build it there.
That they were massacred by anyone is completely irrelevant as two wrongs don't make a right. And if you want to make it relevant then I'm going to say exactly because the jews suffered so much, they should know better than to make others suffer, the inability to do that only makes them look like they didn't learn anything or have become heartless and hateful themselves.
The Palpatine vs. Sauron was an attempt to not use what I mentioned in spoilers but I had to make sure everyone gets it so I tried not to go for people noone knows.
The whole comparison was only valid in the sense that they were both evil or are you going to argue that either of them was good and deserved to be supported?
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No, I just kinda like rooting for the villians. And palpatine was one heck of a villian.
Being better than the worst does not inherently make you good. But being better than the rest lets you brag.
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Why should any Jew have learned from the Holocaust?
The camps are not university. Not literature or theatre. You don't learn anything of value there. Nothing comes out of it. It's banal violence, not important lessons for Jews to learn.
It's like decrying that a woman has not learned her lesson after being raped.
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Subjugation of the French? In Quebec?
Pardon me while I laugh uproariously.
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Yeah yeah, and Hitler really liked dogs, you like dogs
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