These People Make my Head Hurt

[ajaxfetish]

Sounds like the pilot should be looking for a new job. They ran them three times through security. What's security there for if not to determine whether someone is a threat. There was no indication of any danger from the two. Yet another case of fear and security concerns trumping freedom. I do not like this trend.

Ajax

[Ronin]

people are morons...

these guys went though security...if the other people on the plane do not believe security did it's job and still feel threatened then they should be the ones to leave the plane.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sounds like the pilot should be looking for a new job. They ran them three times through security. What's security there for if not to determine whether someone is a threat. There was no indication of any danger from the two. Yet another case of fear and security concerns trumping freedom. I do not like this trend.

Ajax

The security threat was the unrest amongst the passengers.

Also, coming not 24 hours after the solemn remembrance activities on Ground Zero, the pilot's thoughts may also have been closer to those of his colleagues that were butchered with box knifes than with two men who wear dresses on a plane just when AQ announced retaliatory terrorist acts.


I dislike discrimination of Muslims simply for being Muslim. I do not mind discrimination of two boys who insist on wearing matching trenchcoats to school one day after a high-profile remembrance of the Columbine High School massacre.

[Strike For The South]

I dislike discrimination of Muslims simply for being Muslim. I do not mind discrimination of two boys who insist on wearing matching trenchcoats to school one day after a high-profile remembrance of the Columbine High School massacre.

While I have a moticum of sympathy for such a position your anaolgy is flawed

A better one would be a priest showing up at a daycare

While I agree that these men were fishing, the public certainly took it hook, line, and sinker

[Louis VI the Fat]

While I have a moticum of sympathy for such a position your anaolgy is flawed

A better one would be a priest showing up at a daycare

Tsk...for how long have we known each other now?

You need to get up pretty early in the morning to get in the child-molesting priest reference before me. I needed only eight posts this thread.

[HoreTore]

I don't see why on earth my personal freedoms should be restricted by the hysteria of the paranoid.

Airprt "security" should be confined to the loonie bin where belongs. There is no justification for one of the largest wastes of money ever concieved in the history of man.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I don't see why on earth my personal freedoms should be restricted by the hysteria of the paranoid.

Airprt "security" should be confined to the loonie bin where belongs. There is no justification for one of the largest wastes of money ever concieved in the history of man.

When I was but a wee garsoon, every third semi-nut or political quixotic was hijacking aircraft to make a statement. Ended up generating a lot of "take me to Cuba" jokes and the beginnings of airport security and police/military intervention teams. Until the hijackers learned it wasn't going to get them much of anything, it continued. Security made it tougher and coordinated responses among governments made it more and more pointless -- so mostly it stopped.

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think people forget that several recent hijacking or other terrorist attempts have involved people who did not look arab, and dressed in the same style of clothing as everyone else.

While double-checking these folks may be prudent, perhaps even assigning a sky marshal if we're so concerned, it's going to be unlikely that the traditional muslim garb people are the terrorists. More likely, they would be the folks jumping on the guy dressed in jeans who was threatening the other passengers. Maybe if that happened people would realize there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists.

[HoreTore]

When I was but a wee garsoon, every third semi-nut or political quixotic was hijacking aircraft to make a statement. Ended up generating a lot of "take me to Cuba" jokes and the beginnings of airport security and police/military intervention teams. Until the hijackers learned it wasn't going to get them much of anything, it continued. Security made it tougher and coordinated responses among governments made it more and more pointless -- so mostly it stopped.

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

Airport security is complete nonsense.

I'm not arguing for disbanding the police force.

[drone]

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

The passengers are the best security now against hijackers. That method of attack has been closed.

What you see in US airport terminals is theater. The screening process has been absorbed into the war on drugs, the full body X-ray scans are both a handout to connected individuals and a potential health risk to both passengers and screeners, and the screeners themselves are either incompetent, criminal, or overworked/underpaid (mainly this). The terminals are the greatest target point at the moment, large crowds of people packed into serpentine lines prior to screening, created by the process itself.

[gaelic cowboy]

When I was but a wee garsoon, every third semi-nut or political quixotic was hijacking aircraft to make a statement. Ended up generating a lot of "take me to Cuba" jokes and the beginnings of airport security and police/military intervention teams. Until the hijackers learned it wasn't going to get them much of anything, it continued. Security made it tougher and coordinated responses among governments made it more and more pointless -- so mostly it stopped.

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

Oh for the days of this

[Strike For The South]

Tsk...for how long have we known each other now?

You need to get up pretty early in the morning to get in the child-molesting priest reference before me. I needed only eight posts this thread.

Bah, I know you always have the old catholic joke in the back pocket

rookie mistake on my part

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah, I know you always have the old catholic joke in the back pocket

rookie mistake on my part

Is that a catholic joke in your pocket or are you just happy to see Louis?