Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

There is no evidence at all of what you are Warman, is what it is. If you are a townie, it's a bad lynch, but have to go somewhere, especially if other lurker-unknowns like Blackadder or dcmort had scans or blocks as evidence on them.

Chaotix is not Hades.

So townies should lynch MRD as he's our only sure option. Sure, all those not voting him will be cult but that's ok, hopefully town can still win the lynch and the next night should clear up any confusion for anyone.

Well I know what I am, is what it is. Do you have any proof Chaotix is not Hades, if so, please enlighten me since I don't read (don't got the time or the energy to read 50 posts a day in one thread) every post in this game.

[Earthling]

Do you have any proof Chaotix is not Hades

Yes, he's a town-aligned roleblocker, the god Janus.

Beskar has lied to the town multiple times, today and a couple of other recent instances, he's probably part of the cult by now too (which makes sense, that they would recruit active players before the inactive ones).

Nevertheless townies should still be able to vote, and should vote MRD.

[TheLastDays]

Well, what the cult says doesn't make sense either.

Let's take the case of Andres. He was a town aligned roleblocker and then got recruited to cult A - killed - revived as town - recruted during the revival or after? - to cult B? - so which cult wasn't able to recruit him? How many cults are there? What if there is no cult at all and MRD is making all this up in his sick head? I'm willing to put this to a test and lynch MRD.

@ Beskar: classical claimed to have been recruited? Do we have evidence on this? If so, where does it come from? MRD?

[Beskar]

@ Beskar: classical claimed to have been recruited? Do we have evidence on this? If so, where does it come from? MRD?

The Cult recruited Andres near the beginning, for reasons unknown to them at the time, Andres died. Andres claimed later he had an ability but he didn't know who the Cult recruiter was, so didn't protect them, but GH instead.

When Andres got revived, he was no longer under control of the Cult. Obviously, the cult attempted to recruit him asap (the whole he could reveal everything) but that failed for reasons unknown. Later when Andres was lynched, he was saying Angra Mainyu was a false leader, etc. Obviously between there, Andres ended up recruited into a different faction.

As for my explanations, they make perfect sense, how don't they make sense to you?

The cult claimed privately they recruited Classical_Hero, and I am sure if Classical_Hero wants to get mafia killed, he will reveal this himself.

[Earthling]

As for my explanations, they make perfect sense, how don't they make sense to you?

The cult claimed privately they recruited Classical_Hero, and I am sure if Classical_Hero wants to get mafia killed, he will reveal this himself.

So you're just being obviously lied to.

For one, it's impossible for Andres to be mafia. He died blocking an attack from the mafia after all.

What is clearly possible is he was some rival neutral/second-cult/anti-cult group. You're being lied to by the cult.

It makes no sense from a game balance perspective that a cult with massive recruiting capabilities can just catch all the mafia.

What makes far more sense, if the cult is neutral and their goal was to defeat some other neutrals, is that mafia could just be converted by the cult themselves and look like regular recruits. Doesn't change the cult/neutral conflicts and doesn't change the mafia/town status.

Or if the cult is anti-town, then it makes sense that they can't recruit the mafia, but then we LOSE to the cult if we don't do something, so worth a lynch today if that's the case.

Lynch MRD.

[Beskar]

For one, it's impossible for Andres to be mafia. He died blocking an attack from the mafia after all.

You mean during the time Andres was a cultist working for Ishtar, and not the 2nd time where he wasn't working for Ishtar and in the write-up confessed to being scum by insulting Angra Mainyu ? You need to correct your facts a little.

You're being lied to by the cult.

Doubtful, especially if you follow your theory that I am recruited into the cult, and if I was recruited, I would know this information as fact... which eitherway, supports what I am saying, I don't think the cult has any reason to lie about who the night killer is. They want the night killer as dead as us, for different reasons, maybe, but still the same goal.

It makes no sense from a game balance perspective that a cult with massive recruiting capabilities can just catch all the mafia.

The cult started off as one person, the recruiter. That person would have to survive late into the game and some how survive being lynched, being night killed, being roleblocked and dealing with people for example Andres, who became recruited and could tell everyone who the cultists were. The fact they say they only got 50% of the vote now and lconfessed to members of theirs who have died (Andres, Pizza, DIY, etc) and failed recruiting (Renata, Andres(2), Chaotix) and you can see easily how a cult is kept in check, especially as they don't really have any power roles of themselves.

What makes far more sense, if the cult is neutral and their goal was to defeat some other neutrals, is that mafia could just be converted by the cult themselves and look like regular recruits. Doesn't change the cult/neutral conflicts and doesn't change the mafia/town status.

Their goal is to kill the mafia since the gods of heaven and hell hate Ishtar, which means Ishtar has to stay alive in the mortal plane. With the vision of Angra's future, she is attempting to align herself to Angra for her own survival. This is why they are stating they want Angra Mainyu, as she wants to "sleep with him" and align herself with his cause by becoming his consort. Thus they have to find Angra before he dies and thus survive till the end of the game. Difficult task!

Lynch MRD.

Chaotix said he roleblocked MRD and nothing happened. Also MRD said himself he is the voice of the cult. In otherways, either way you look at it, it is pretty much a waste of a lynch. It would make more sense to kill a non-cultist then MRD, which in turn makes it more sense to lynch Chaotix than a non-cultist due to the overall scumming I have posted.

[Earthling]

You mean during the time Andres was a cultist working for Ishtar, and not the 2nd time where he wasn't working for Ishtar and in the write-up confessed to being scum by insulting Angra Mainyu ? You need to correct your facts a little.

You're flat out lying, if you're going to be like that hopefully real townies can see through it.

How was Andres with the main mafia group? He got revived by classical, is that your explanation?

And Chaotix voted for him, so he's clearly not mafia by your own logic.

[Choxorn]

Doubtful, especially if you follow your theory that I am recruited into the cult, and if I was recruited, I would know this information as fact... which eitherway, supports what I am saying, I don't think the cult has any reason to lie about who the night killer is. They want the night killer as dead as us, for different reasons, maybe, but still the same goal.

There is, of course, the alternate theory, that you're a cult member and you're just lying your pants off to obfuscate that and get Chaotix killed so you can win.

I find that one to be the most likely, seeing as how if most of what you and MRD are saying is true, you're so obviously a cultist it's not even funny.

[TheLastDays]

Nah fire guy and black ooze killer are the same.

Whast you're saying makes little to no sense, Beskar.

[Ironside]

Yes, he's a town-aligned roleblocker, the god Janus.

The two faced god?.........

Do we have any data on him being a roleblocker after the code namned killer "Hades" (since we do not have conclusive evidence that it is Hades) shows up?

Having a roleblocker turn into a killer is a nice game twist.

I might be wrong and won't bother checking through everything, but Chaotix not being killed at this point and still haven't wrapped up the game 3 nights later is odd and indicates that the killer doesn't fear Chaotix by some reason.