C9++ - The Revenge of the Russo [Concluded]

[Zack]

Don't give me reasoning, I'm not giving you reasoning.

Wait... are you seriously suggesting I haven't given any reasoning? Have you read any of my posts?

[Visor]

I'm saying your reasoning is crap, and requires leaps of logic that no mortal man can make without splitting their brain in half with a bandsaw.

[Visor]

Post Analysis of Earthling (To be Edited in):

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I think it has to be Vote: Zack. There are reasons to that, but let's see how the wagon rolls.

Starts a vote on Zack, who was up high on the vote tally on the first day.

He's dead.

Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.

Diamondeye posted this:

Ouch! So far, we've seen DBT of the setup, and it looks like there might be at least one Vigilante, too. The setup allows for only one mafia kill and one SK, as far as I understand.

For now, I am going to Vote:Zack.

I can't for the life of me figure out what was wrong with this. He's completely right. But he follows Earthlings vote.

This also goes for anyone asking what they're missing on figuring out the game setup.

Before I go on, Diamondeye still doesn't make sense to me but he did remind me of one thing I'd missed, a serial killer would be kill immune as in the setup and doesn't fear death at night by mafia/vig, only the lynch, so anyone could be a serial killer and be more aggressive in thread, particularly if they felt the town needed to be rallied to beat the mafia. I don't get his votes but recognize I was withholding points earlier until more people showed up so his response to me is ok, so long as we lynch a mafia today.

On the setup/strategy, here's simply what we know:

With the number of town roles already, the setup would have three mafia.

Three kills last night as far as I can also tell means either mafia, town vig, and SK, or mafia and two vigs. I think two vigs (or vig +1-shot vig) is much less likely, if it's true that means we're just better off and can get lucky even though they failed last night.

There's always the very small chance there are still more town roles, than the Doctor, Blocker, Mason/Child, and Vig we already have, in which case we move further down the setup possibilities, but still 3 mafia and probably still an SK, and too remote a chance to think about.

So 3 Mafia + 1 SK is worst case for the town but also most likely, I think we have to work with that.

Then Cahoma is confirmed Innocent. Any townie knows what they are obviously. That just leaves 6 people so very, very good odds that anybody you could lynch just turns up as a scum. That alone is all that's needed for a wagon on Zack, or you TLD, really, but Zack is the default to me because he got saved from the lynch yesterday and a townie was lynched, so why not guess some of those voters were mafia.

The real question is what happens tonight. Could be 2 or 3 kills, if people target the same victims then fewer, or if someone targets the SK he doesn't die. But what we want for the town is 2 mafia dead before the next day or they're too close to controlling the lynch. 1 mafia, the SK, 3 townies for 5 remaining is still a chance (for everyone, really, but at least town is still in it). That's what we want, hopefully the SK sees the need for at least one mafia to die too because they could straight outvote him too.

Posts some decent logic. No problems yet.

Diamondeye why did you say there's a cop?

If it's DDMVB then that matches the two T setup - with 3 mafia and an SK.

If you know for sure there's a cop role, then there are yet more roles out there, or it just means Zack is lying about being backup doctor.

For all we know he could be. He could be lying about being roleblocked so that Cahoma, Mr Innocent, died. Oh well, it could happen to anyone, right?

Right, so to reiterate my position is that really needs answering from Diamondeye. If we can be sure there are no other town roles (well, still the vig and Cahoma is Mason-Child) then Zack's claim makes sense. If people are sure there is a cop, then I would guess Zack has a false claim. Just about anybody else could still be scum by the numbers again so I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts.

Now he stops going after Zack, and onto me. Because of two reasons, quietness and bandwagoning. Not only is the quietness reason hypocritical, as there are people quieter (B_Ray for example), it is not a reason at all. Bandwagoning which again, others did and I only did once.

No, he listed a cop in the post above but as you and Winston pointed out it didn't really make sense, what he was saying with too many T's in the setup. He could just be trying to confuse us, like how he didn't vote for Zack yesterday but started off on Zack today of his own accord. But if he's mafia I doubt that both the wagons on Zack and Visorslash are safe for him so I don't get that either.

Of course I would be trigger-happy to mark Diamondeye down as the serial killer after all but that's a bit biased.

In and of itself Zack's claim makes sense - backup doctor makes DDMVB and matches the scum that seem to be out there. Still have 3 mafia and an SK though.

I probably should unvote: Zack for now.

And of course, being the "doctor" Zack won't be targeted tonight by the vig.

Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.

Zack claiming backup doctor is very bold and clever as scum but it works by the setup if he is town, and then we just have our 3 mafia and SK so pretty much any lynch works.

vote: Visorslash

Some lies here. I never said anything about not getting that almost everyone left is something. I said it was possible that he fake claimed doctor. That's it. Dunno how you got confusion about the setup from that.

Says I'm probably not the town vig. Gives zero reasoning towards it and everyone swallows it. Gives Zack a get out of lynch free card, and continues to defend him.

Oh dear Winston. Is Visorslash your mafia roleblocker? That would definitely be the best we could get for the town, as it prevents them from blocking the vig or SK at night.

SK can't be blocked m'dear. So certain that Winston is mafia and I'm part of the team with him. Winston ends up being the Serial Killer. How did you come to the conclusion that I am a mafia roleblocker? Because you know that you are?

If we lynch you and you are the SK the town probably does lose, I'll give you that. It would be entirely on the mafia to make a mistake because they could block or kill the vig, and we can't count on them to fail.

unvote: Visorslash; vote: Winston Hughes

That takes care of the problem if you really are just mafia partners and you're bluffing - he might be saving you when you're a more important mafia role but we'd still get one.

As an aside, Zack should protect Cahoma regardless of what happens here or what anyone else claims - no guarantee we can protect the town vig. Know he'd be in the doctor-WIFOM situation but still the call that has to be made, Cahoma surviving for the lynch tomorrow or at the end would greatly increase our chances of victory.

I was bluffing alright. If you were so sure that Winston was mafia over me, why didn't you go for him first? Or was the bandwagon on me too easy to ignore? I like how you attacked my "bandwagoning", but then you did it yourself. Brilliant. Of course Zack must protect Cahoma. That's so likely to happen. What a coincidence that Zack failed to protect Cahoma, and was roleblocked.

Visorslash, if you're really an SK, what do you think about Diamondeye's "lynch-anyone-but-me" phenotype? Is he your call for the town vig, or otherwise you must think he's one of the scum right?

I actually like that tally for information purposes. However:

People (town, really) need to be extremely careful about moving their votes to where someone could be lynched with a 5/8 majority. The three mafia could still coordinate their votes and just switch and get that, especially to get someone like Visorslash if he really is the SK, and taking him down just lets the mafia beat the town. If you're sure it's the right lynch, of course we need to do that before deadline, but just for the sake of temporary pressure that's a no. I hadn't quite realized how risky we were before, earlier in the day, it's possible only lack of mafia attention/coordination saved us.

It is really interesting that we had 4 votes on Zack at one point yet no one jumped to the majority for an auto-lynch - some mafia might have already been on that wagon and couldn't rally though. Diamondeye jumping off there really surprises me, you did too Visor, and I get why the SK would do it but you can't both be the SK.

Of course acting as a serial killer, I can't care about the situation. I just post neutral responses. He could always be a basic townie. Maybe you didn't want to go for the 5/8 majority as you thought it'd look too scummy? I don't think it's a lack of coordination, I think you're screwing us over.

I can't believe Winston is the town vig. I still kinda think you are just mafia partners and claimed SK, but if that's true the town gets a mafia anyway, and if you are the SK Winston could still be mafia.

Zack is looking more like a townie and between TLD and Diamondeye I'd be willing to believe one is town. I gotta say I am baffled by who is working together, because the three scum should be working together, but they didn't manage anything like voting in quick succession to just get the majoriy lynch. Then B_Ray could easily be the third scum to any combination of people but that's a hard lynch to get people going for now plus all he did was that one silly vote on Cahoma and I'd rather go on a better hypothesis.

So I'd say Winston, and again, it's insurance against the chance that you are scum together so you can't bluff your way out (but if you are an SK, you lose nothing by just lynching someone else)

Maybe because you're the scumbag. Set up a trap on Zack for the next person to follow. I.E. me.

I'm here, and I'll vote: Visorslash. Visorslash is clearly mafia, and that gives us three townies to the one mafia left so we should get it anyway. I think it's him and B_Ray, rather than Diamondeye who I'll give benefit of the doubt, can't be entirely sure but that's what I'd go with.

This is kinda hilarious though, that Cahoma was actually killed. Mafia, y u so bad?

They could have roleblocked or killed the town vig, as they had only like, two people to choose from, but they must have blocked Zack to be able to kill Cahoma.

Pretty much everything you said does seem right to me Zack, including the DDMVB which is pretty certain now, this was a fun if bloody setup with so many killers.

I'm sure they did.

And you're claiming you are what now...?

Didn't claim a thing.

Well, you are just a mafia, but Zack is right about all the remaining roles, the game setup has to be like that at this point, and with him as backup doctor, me vanilla townie but nothing really prove-able there, and the one town vig left, nothing for you to really claim. And you can't really expect anyone to believe it was a townie move you claimed SK yesterday.

I would put Diamondeye down as the town vig over B_Ray, not just for Diamondeye trying to figure stuff out as a townie and his voting pattern clearly lacking mafia coordination (if, say, he and TLD and B_Ray were the scum why didn't they coordinate better and outright get someone like Zack lynched earlier).

What really has me convinced on Diamondeye, is that it would totally be his style to just kill someone N1 as a town vig, with no knowledge of the game setup yet or waiting to see anything play out. He's down it before and would do it again, and probably did kill either the doctor or roleblocker that first night, but that's what's great about him on the rare occasions he is actually town.

Because you're not just a townie, due to the game setup where we know what roles are left and knew that really yesterday too. If you were the town vig you would have simply claimed that, obviously a much better way to get out of the town lynching you than claiming serial killer, but you're not.

Plus if you're not mafia, it's the same issue where we wonder why the mafia didn't just bandwagon on you to get the 5/8 lynch majority, and have someone lynched right away. They did get dangerously close with Zack and I'll admit it was risky play by me/anyone else who was town (Winston was SK so he just wanted someone to go, I get that). But I'd put that one down to poor coordination among the mafia dn probably B_Ray failing to get on the Zack bandwagon.

I can't be bothered to do the rest, I'm never going to be able to convince the town players.

[Zack]

I'm saying your reasoning is crap, and requires leaps of logic that no mortal man can make without splitting their brain in half with a bandsaw.

Why do you think it's bad? Explain why, or else I'm going to assume it's only "crap" because it's against you.

Oh, and edits are against the rules.

[Visor]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053377874

The other stuff is conjecture on your part as well, but this is plain weird.

Okay will post in a new post then.

[Zack]

You said Winston isn't mafia, he's a serial killer -- BEFORE he was lynched. What is weird about pointing that out?

[Zack]

Your analysis and cases would be easier to swallow if they weren't OMGUS in nature.

[Visor]

Post Analysis of Earthling:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I think it has to be Vote: Zack. There are reasons to that, but let's see how the wagon rolls.

Starts a vote on Zack, who was up high on the vote tally on the first day.

He's dead.

Given the setup we seem to be hurting no matter what. I'll ask this: Diamondeye, would you agree you shouldn't have posted what you posted at the start of the day unless you're a vanilla townie, or a mafia and Zack is not mafia? Do you see the reasoning there, or do we need to wait for more people to comment and vote.

Diamondeye posted this:

Ouch! So far, we've seen DBT of the setup, and it looks like there might be at least one Vigilante, too. The setup allows for only one mafia kill and one SK, as far as I understand.

For now, I am going to Vote:Zack.

I can't for the life of me figure out what was wrong with this. He's completely right. But he follows Earthlings vote.

This also goes for anyone asking what they're missing on figuring out the game setup.

Before I go on, Diamondeye still doesn't make sense to me but he did remind me of one thing I'd missed, a serial killer would be kill immune as in the setup and doesn't fear death at night by mafia/vig, only the lynch, so anyone could be a serial killer and be more aggressive in thread, particularly if they felt the town needed to be rallied to beat the mafia. I don't get his votes but recognize I was withholding points earlier until more people showed up so his response to me is ok, so long as we lynch a mafia today.

On the setup/strategy, here's simply what we know:

With the number of town roles already, the setup would have three mafia.

Three kills last night as far as I can also tell means either mafia, town vig, and SK, or mafia and two vigs. I think two vigs (or vig +1-shot vig) is much less likely, if it's true that means we're just better off and can get lucky even though they failed last night.

There's always the very small chance there are still more town roles, than the Doctor, Blocker, Mason/Child, and Vig we already have, in which case we move further down the setup possibilities, but still 3 mafia and probably still an SK, and too remote a chance to think about.

So 3 Mafia + 1 SK is worst case for the town but also most likely, I think we have to work with that.

Then Cahoma is confirmed Innocent. Any townie knows what they are obviously. That just leaves 6 people so very, very good odds that anybody you could lynch just turns up as a scum. That alone is all that's needed for a wagon on Zack, or you TLD, really, but Zack is the default to me because he got saved from the lynch yesterday and a townie was lynched, so why not guess some of those voters were mafia.

The real question is what happens tonight. Could be 2 or 3 kills, if people target the same victims then fewer, or if someone targets the SK he doesn't die. But what we want for the town is 2 mafia dead before the next day or they're too close to controlling the lynch. 1 mafia, the SK, 3 townies for 5 remaining is still a chance (for everyone, really, but at least town is still in it). That's what we want, hopefully the SK sees the need for at least one mafia to die too because they could straight outvote him too.

Posts some decent logic. No problems yet.

Diamondeye why did you say there's a cop?

If it's DDMVB then that matches the two T setup - with 3 mafia and an SK.

If you know for sure there's a cop role, then there are yet more roles out there, or it just means Zack is lying about being backup doctor.

For all we know he could be. He could be lying about being roleblocked so that Cahoma, Mr Innocent, died. Oh well, it could happen to anyone, right?

Right, so to reiterate my position is that really needs answering from Diamondeye. If we can be sure there are no other town roles (well, still the vig and Cahoma is Mason-Child) then Zack's claim makes sense. If people are sure there is a cop, then I would guess Zack has a false claim. Just about anybody else could still be scum by the numbers again so I would be ok switching to Visorslash when this is resolved, he was way too quiet and bandwagonny looking at his posts.

Now he stops going after Zack, and onto me. Because of two reasons, quietness and bandwagoning. Not only is the quietness reason hypocritical, as there are people quieter (B_Ray for example), it is not a reason at all. Bandwagoning which again, others did and I only did once.

No, he listed a cop in the post above but as you and Winston pointed out it didn't really make sense, what he was saying with too many T's in the setup. He could just be trying to confuse us, like how he didn't vote for Zack yesterday but started off on Zack today of his own accord. But if he's mafia I doubt that both the wagons on Zack and Visorslash are safe for him so I don't get that either.

Of course I would be trigger-happy to mark Diamondeye down as the serial killer after all but that's a bit biased.

In and of itself Zack's claim makes sense - backup doctor makes DDMVB and matches the scum that seem to be out there. Still have 3 mafia and an SK though.

I probably should unvote: Zack for now.

And of course, being the "doctor" Zack won't be targeted tonight by the vig.

Visorslash, I don't think you are being honest in not getting that almost everyone left is something, and I doubt you're going to be the town vig.

Zack claiming backup doctor is very bold and clever as scum but it works by the setup if he is town, and then we just have our 3 mafia and SK so pretty much any lynch works.

vote: Visorslash

Some lies here. I never said anything about not getting that almost everyone left is something. I said it was possible that he fake claimed doctor. That's it. Dunno how you got confusion about the setup from that.

Says I'm probably not the town vig. Gives zero reasoning towards it and everyone swallows it. Gives Zack a get out of lynch free card, and continues to defend him.

Oh dear Winston. Is Visorslash your mafia roleblocker? That would definitely be the best we could get for the town, as it prevents them from blocking the vig or SK at night.

SK can't be blocked m'dear. So certain that Winston is mafia and I'm part of the team with him. Winston ends up being the Serial Killer. How did you come to the conclusion that I am a mafia roleblocker? Because you know that you are?

If we lynch you and you are the SK the town probably does lose, I'll give you that. It would be entirely on the mafia to make a mistake because they could block or kill the vig, and we can't count on them to fail.

unvote: Visorslash; vote: Winston Hughes

That takes care of the problem if you really are just mafia partners and you're bluffing - he might be saving you when you're a more important mafia role but we'd still get one.

As an aside, Zack should protect Cahoma regardless of what happens here or what anyone else claims - no guarantee we can protect the town vig. Know he'd be in the doctor-WIFOM situation but still the call that has to be made, Cahoma surviving for the lynch tomorrow or at the end would greatly increase our chances of victory.

I was bluffing alright. If you were so sure that Winston was mafia over me, why didn't you go for him first? Or was the bandwagon on me too easy to ignore? I like how you attacked my "bandwagoning", but then you did it yourself. Brilliant. Of course Zack must protect Cahoma. That's so likely to happen. What a coincidence that Zack failed to protect Cahoma, and was roleblocked.

Visorslash, if you're really an SK, what do you think about Diamondeye's "lynch-anyone-but-me" phenotype? Is he your call for the town vig, or otherwise you must think he's one of the scum right?

I actually like that tally for information purposes. However:

People (town, really) need to be extremely careful about moving their votes to where someone could be lynched with a 5/8 majority. The three mafia could still coordinate their votes and just switch and get that, especially to get someone like Visorslash if he really is the SK, and taking him down just lets the mafia beat the town. If you're sure it's the right lynch, of course we need to do that before deadline, but just for the sake of temporary pressure that's a no. I hadn't quite realized how risky we were before, earlier in the day, it's possible only lack of mafia attention/coordination saved us.

It is really interesting that we had 4 votes on Zack at one point yet no one jumped to the majority for an auto-lynch - some mafia might have already been on that wagon and couldn't rally though. Diamondeye jumping off there really surprises me, you did too Visor, and I get why the SK would do it but you can't both be the SK.

Of course acting as a serial killer, I can't care about the situation. I just post neutral responses. He could always be a basic townie. Maybe you didn't want to go for the 5/8 majority as you thought it'd look too scummy? I don't think it's a lack of coordination, I think you're screwing us over.

I can't believe Winston is the town vig. I still kinda think you are just mafia partners and claimed SK, but if that's true the town gets a mafia anyway, and if you are the SK Winston could still be mafia.

Zack is looking more like a townie and between TLD and Diamondeye I'd be willing to believe one is town. I gotta say I am baffled by who is working together, because the three scum should be working together, but they didn't manage anything like voting in quick succession to just get the majoriy lynch. Then B_Ray could easily be the third scum to any combination of people but that's a hard lynch to get people going for now plus all he did was that one silly vote on Cahoma and I'd rather go on a better hypothesis.

So I'd say Winston, and again, it's insurance against the chance that you are scum together so you can't bluff your way out (but if you are an SK, you lose nothing by just lynching someone else)

Maybe because you're the scumbag. Set up a trap on Zack for the next person to follow. I.E. me.

I'm here, and I'll vote: Visorslash. Visorslash is clearly mafia, and that gives us three townies to the one mafia left so we should get it anyway. I think it's him and B_Ray, rather than Diamondeye who I'll give benefit of the doubt, can't be entirely sure but that's what I'd go with.

This is kinda hilarious though, that Cahoma was actually killed. Mafia, y u so bad?

They could have roleblocked or killed the town vig, as they had only like, two people to choose from, but they must have blocked Zack to be able to kill Cahoma.

Pretty much everything you said does seem right to me Zack, including the DDMVB which is pretty certain now, this was a fun if bloody setup with so many killers.

I'm sure they did.

And you're claiming you are what now...?

Didn't claim a thing.

Well, you are just a mafia, but Zack is right about all the remaining roles, the game setup has to be like that at this point, and with him as backup doctor, me vanilla townie but nothing really prove-able there, and the one town vig left, nothing for you to really claim. And you can't really expect anyone to believe it was a townie move you claimed SK yesterday.

I would put Diamondeye down as the town vig over B_Ray, not just for Diamondeye trying to figure stuff out as a townie and his voting pattern clearly lacking mafia coordination (if, say, he and TLD and B_Ray were the scum why didn't they coordinate better and outright get someone like Zack lynched earlier).

What really has me convinced on Diamondeye, is that it would totally be his style to just kill someone N1 as a town vig, with no knowledge of the game setup yet or waiting to see anything play out. He's down it before and would do it again, and probably did kill either the doctor or roleblocker that first night, but that's what's great about him on the rare occasions he is actually town.

Because you're not just a townie, due to the game setup where we know what roles are left and knew that really yesterday too. If you were the town vig you would have simply claimed that, obviously a much better way to get out of the town lynching you than claiming serial killer, but you're not.

Plus if you're not mafia, it's the same issue where we wonder why the mafia didn't just bandwagon on you to get the 5/8 lynch majority, and have someone lynched right away. They did get dangerously close with Zack and I'll admit it was risky play by me/anyone else who was town (Winston was SK so he just wanted someone to go, I get that). But I'd put that one down to poor coordination among the mafia dn probably B_Ray failing to get on the Zack bandwagon.

I can't be bothered to do the rest, I'm never going to be able to convince the town players.

[Visor]

You said Winston isn't mafia, he's a serial killer -- BEFORE he was lynched. What is weird about pointing that out?

When did I say that?

And I'm sorry my case is OMGUS. I can't do much, I'm not very good at putting cases together. I just play to my gut.

[Zack]

When did I say that?

Go back and read the post.

I can't be bothered to do the rest, I'm never going to be able to convince the town players.

Why do you keep referring to the town or "town players" as separate entities from yourself?

Oh wait, I know why.

[Visor]

Why do you keep referring to the town or "town players" as separate entities from yourself?

Oh wait, I know why.

Ha ha. Very funny. I meant the other people, who are playing for the town.

*facepalms*

That post of mine was about me.

I said I wasn't a mafia roleblocker, I was the serial killer.

[B-Wing]

I finally understand the mechanics behind this now!

Sorry if I'm the last person to get this, but I'm going to spell it out to make sure I've actually got it straight.

OK, so as I understand it, there can be absolutely no doubt that we are either a TT or 0T set-up for scum roles. We know this because four town roles have been confirmed (Mason, Doctor, Roleblocker, and Vigilante). And we also had a Serial Killer, so that eliminates the TTT and T set-ups. That means three mafia to start, and we killed one, so two mafia definitely remain.

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Two things concern me.
One: Zack claimed back-up doctor and didn't get killed last night. Instead the mafia go for the innocent child? That makes no sense.
Two: At the very end of Day 2, Visorlash had a chance to put TLD in the lead, but instead switched to WH to continue the tie. He and TLD had been going back and forth all day, so this seems bizarre to me.

Concern One can be explained by the mafia choosing to leave a publicly-claimed doctor alive in order to make the town question the very fact that he did't die. Which is what I'm doing now. Concern Two can be explained without too much trouble, but I'd still like to hear Visor's comments on it.

The only thing that gives me some faith in Zack is the fact that he had a vote on TLD yeterday when he was tied for the lead (at 2 votes, the most anyone had before the extension). I don't think he'd do that if TLD were his scum partner. I think Diamondeye switched his vote (which was on Visorslash originally) to Winston Hughes in order to prevent the possibility of TLD getting the tie-breaker vote.

vote: Diamondeye

All he has to do now is show up and place a vote on Visorslash to put him at the majority and end the Day phase, so if anyone else agrees with me or has any doubt, change your vote now!

If Visor turns out to be mafia, then please assist me in putting my foot in my mouth.

As I see it, we HAVE to lynch a mafia tonight. If we lynch a townie, then even a successful vig kill won't save the town.

[Visor]

Could you elaborate a bit more on what you want me to answer?

[Visor]

I don't think Zack thought TLD would be lynched.

[Visor]

I still think it's Earthling.

[B-Wing]

I guess I'm asking why you flip-flopped your votes so much and ended up choosing WH over TLD. Obviously, we now know that either player were excellent choices.

I have no idea why you wouldn't change your vote to Diamondeye right now, Visor. Unless I missed something, he's the only living player who hasn't voted yet. And there are already two votes on you. Three votes out of five means majority, which means you're instantly lynched.

......

You must be pretty confident that he's not going to vote for you. Maybe I've misplaced my own vote... I'll wait and see what happens.

[Visor]

I guess I'm asking why you flip-flopped your votes so much and ended up choosing WH over TLD. Obviously, we now know that either player were excellent choices.

I voted Zack initially because it seemed like Earthling knew what he was talking about. Then it turned to me, and I chose TLD. I ended up claiming serial killer to evade the lynch, as you know.

If I change my vote to Diamondeye, who is he going to vote for, him or me? Hmm?

[B-Wing]

Fair enough. But if DE shows up and votes for Earthling, I'm going to assume you two are partners.

[Visor]

At this point in time, there are only three options. Lynch Earthling or lynch Diamondeye or lynch me.

I think Earthling is scum. You vote what you think is right.

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Visorslash.

Earthling is spewing out sound logic. Unfortunately, I am not the Vigilante, just an ordinary townsperson. I'm not sure where that leaves us in terms of tonight, but for reasons already stated, I don't think there really is an alternative to voting Visorslash.

[Visor]

Bah.

[Johhog]

FINAL VOTECOUNT DAY 3:

Not voting:
Abstain (meaning that they have posted at least once during Day 3 without voting):
No Lynch:
Visorslash (3): Earthling, Zack, Diamondeye
Earthling: Visorslash
Diamondeye: B_Ray

Deadline will hit in .

3 for lynch by majority.

Visorslash got lynched Day 3.

The town was confounded. "Visorslash said he was the killer, but Winston was the killer. What is Visorslash then? And isn't killers evil?" They lynched him faster than the speed of light.

Visorslash, Mafia, was lynched Day 3.

Night 3 begins now. I want to have all Night actions by

[Johhog]

*facepalm*

Extremely sorry guys, I forgot it was Night. Write-ups will be up in a couple of hours.

[Johhog]

It was a cold Night. Zack was out to protect a certain person. Unfortunately he got stabbed on his way to him.

Zack, Doctor, was killed Night 3.

Day 4 starts now. Deadline hits in

[Johhog]

...or so they thought. When they started accusing each other in the morning B_Ray stepped forward. He took out a gun - and shot Diamondeye twelve times in the head! Now there was only B_Ray and Earthling.

"It's cool, I'm just a vig, not Mafia" said B_Ray.
"BWAHAHAHAHA" said Earthling.
"What's so funny?"
"This."

Earthling pointed a gun at B_Ray.

"But... but... Diamondeye, he..."

B_Ray started to cry.

"Don't kill me" he said.
"Why would I kill you?" Earthling sounded surprised.
"But you're pointing a gun at me!" B_Ray cried.
"Oh, I was just laughing at the funny writing on this gun that Diamondeye dropped."
"Spaghetti Macaroni Tagliatelle Penne Corleone THE RUSSO WILL SUCCEED" Earthling read out loud.
"Earthling, don't you understand what this means?"
"That Diamondeye was secretly Italian?"
"No, he was Don Russo!"
They searched Diamondeye's pockets and B_Ray found a piece of paper.

"Don Carlo 'Diamondeye' Russo
Mafia Boss
Dial 666-666-6666 to talk with me.

Regards,
The Evil Don Russo"

Diamondeye, Mafia, was killed Night 3.

B_Ray and Earthling then lived happily together forever, and they walked together towards the sunset.

[Johhog]

IT'S A TOWN WIN.
B_Ray, Cahoma, Montmorency, Zack, hero di classico, Earthling and robbiecon, the Town, wins.

The roles:

B_Ray: Vigilante
Cahoma: Innocent Child
Diamondeye: Mafia Godfather
ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK: Vanilla Townie
Montmorency: Vanilla Townie
Oh! TheLastDays!: Mafia Goon
Visorslash: Mafia Roleblocker
Winston Hughes: Serial Killer
Zack: Backup Doctor
hero di classico: Doctor
johnhughthom: Vanilla Townie
robbiecon: Roleblocker

Night 1:

B_Ray kills hero di classico
Oh! TheLastDays! kills robbiecon
Visorslash blocks hero di classico
Winston Hughes kills ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
hero di classico protects Cahoma
robbiecon blocks Zack

Night 2:

Zack protects Cahoma
B_Ray kills Oh! TheLastDays!
Visorslash roleblocks Zack
Oh! TheLastDays! kills Cahoma

Night 3:

Diamondeye kills Zack
B_Ray kills Diamondeye
Zack protects Earthling

Scum QT

[Montmorency]

Oh yeah, I was in this game, lol.

I would have posted some thoughts before, but didn't want to interfere in a game I wasn't part of. :P

[Diamondeye]

I called that before the night even started, B_Ray, when you voted for me. Well played, town - and Winston, the Serial Killer, too! I knew things were dire when we had to lynch Visor, since if I was right about you, B_Ray, then I knew you'd kill me. If I was wrong, the Vigilante might still kill me, or he would probably kill you (for not voting Visor) which would leave me with a really hard last day to struggle through.

Thanks for hosting, Johhoq, it was a great game

[Winston Hughes]

Well done town, especially B-Ray for the expert vigging, and Earthling for the solid analysis.

For my part, I just can't seem to pick out a villain at the moment, and that was my undoing here, as I choose to accuse the wrong one out of both Zack/TLD and Earthling/DE.

[Diamondeye]

For my part, I just can't seem to pick out a villain at the moment

This is doubly emberassing when it's me we're talking about