Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
It's not a particularly new precedent. In fact, Obama was following a precedent established years ago.
Its newish. <10 years old. Point is that it shouldn't be something to be tolerated.

Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
If you all believed rape were acceptable, it would be acceptable to you.
Not what I said. If we all said it was ok to rape, does that make the make the act of rape in and of itself ok? Do you think it is perfectly fine to say that rape is bad in the US because we say it is bad, but it is ok in some tribal land where they think differently?

Do you dislike the word arbitary? Fair enough. Arbitrariness is, of course, subjective. You believe as you do for many reasons, some of them biological and sociological.
I believe what I believe because they are (or at least I try to have them be) logical conclusions stemming from undeniable axioms. Of course, you would probably deny them, but I doubt you would have a solid reason to refute them.

This perspective offers you no solutions. It gives you no pleasure, and so it wearies you to read it. Perhaps you are even angered.
Not angered, not weary. Linear algebra wearies me when I have to do 5x5 matrixes all night long. This perspective intrigues me because it seems self defeating. If we all believed x was acceptable than it would be acceptable to us. So if we all believe that our standards and morals were not arbitrary, then our standards and morals are not arbitrary.

Do you get it?
Kinda, sorta, not really. Not a philosophy major so of course I am completely vulnerable for someone with actual knowledge to wipe the floor with me.