The Racist Left Strikes Again

[Lemur]

As with everything, discrimination must be done logically..

Sure, absolutely. Take your example of power tools: You do not need to try every make and model of a brand to reach a working conclusion that their power tools are junk. For you, it's a logical and functional behavior to avoid their tools in the future. Maybe somebody will show up with a drill of theirs that rocks, and you'll need to reevaluate, but discriminating against their products makes complete and total sense.

That said, look at your OP. You cite a particular racist idiot and convicted criminal, and then associate him with all "leftists" everywhere. Is that ... helpful?

[Strike For The South]

Oh Marion, you crazy.

I'm not going to waste my time explaining how 300 years of slavery + 100 years of aparthied can instill a certain complex in a group of people. I'm also not going to explain why the situation hasn't "fixed" itself 50 years later

Mostly becuase it would be an excise in futility

[Vuk]

Oh Marion, you crazy.

I'm not going to waste my time explaining how 300 years of slavery + 100 years of aparthied can instill a certain complex in a group of people. I'm also not going to explain why the situation hasn't "fixed" itself 50 years later

Mostly becuase it would be an excise in futility

Come on Strike, modern Americans are not victims of slavery. Anyone can look back at their heritage to get an excuse to hate certain people, but it is BS. Stop making excuses for racism. I am part Jewish on my mother's and my father's side, does that mean that I have to hate Germans? What have Germans done to me personally? There is no excuse, so don't try to make one.

[Vuk]

Sure, absolutely. Take your example of power tools: You do not need to try every make and model of a brand to reach a working conclusion that their power tools are junk. For you, it's a logical and functional behavior to avoid their tools in the future. Maybe somebody will show up with a drill of theirs that rocks, and you'll need to reevaluate, but discriminating against their products makes complete and total sense.

That said, look at your OP. You cite a particular racist idiot and convicted criminal, and then associate him with all "leftists" everywhere. Is that ... helpful?

Mr. Barry is not what I base my opinion of Leftists on, but simply one more piece of evidence about the types of people who are excepted into the fold. Is Obama rebuking this guy? Nope. Are Leftists freaking out about him? Nope. Yet every time there is a racist conservative everyone gets on their high-horse and parades it around as proof that conservatives are evil. I am simply pointing out that you got your own black sheep, and Leftists don't seem all that concerned about it. (whereas when there is a racist conservative, he is generally denounced by other conservatives) The Left seems to be a lot more accepting of these things.

[Strike For The South]

Mr. Barry is not what I base my opinion of Leftists on, but simply one more piece of evidence about the types of people who are excepted into the fold. Is Obama rebuking this guy? Nope. Are Leftists freaking out about him? Nope. Yet every time there is a racist conservative everyone gets on their high-horse and parades it around as proof that conservatives are evil. I am simply pointing out that you got your own black sheep, and Leftists don't seem all that concerned about it. (whereas when there is a racist conservative, he is generally denounced by other conservatives) The Left seems to be a lot more accepting of these things.

Would like the president of the US to go out and personally rebuke a coked up old man who really doesn't matter?

I can assure you conservatives who don't matter get away with saying dumb things too.

Vuk I have a book I would like you to read, provided you are in fact literate.

[Lemur]

I am simply pointing out that you got your own black sheep, and Leftists don't seem all that concerned about it.

So in other words, leftists bad, rightists victimized, system unfair. Got it.

And that doesn't sound ... familiar?

[Strike For The South]

Come on Strike, modern Americans are not victims of slavery. Anyone can look back at their heritage to get an excuse to hate certain people, but it is BS. Stop making excuses for racism. I am part Jewish on my mother's and my father's side, does that mean that I have to hate Germans? What have Germans done to me personally? There is no excuse, so don't try to make one.

I don't expect you to understand nuance.

Black Americans are most certainly affected by racial legacy of this country. I never said victims. It is also not an excuse for anything but it does offer some partial explanation of why black people are so dispirportionaitly poor, imprisoned, and born out of wedlock.

I also don't care who you hate, it's most likely for some inane, petty reason, much like a child

[Vuk]

Would like the president of the US to go out and personally rebuke a coked up old man who really doesn't matter?

I can assure you conservatives who don't matter get away with saying dumb things too.

Vuk I have a book I would like you to read, provided you are in fact literate.

No, of course I wouldn't expect any reasonable President to, but Obama has set those expectations by rebuking others. Either he is playing favorites, or he should rebuke someone like Barry.

So in other words, leftists bad, rightists victimized, system unfair. Got it.

And that doesn't sound ... familiar?

Do I believe that leftists are wrong? Yeah, of course I do. I never denied that. Do I believe that they are hypocrites? Of course. I don't remember denying that.

I don't expect you to understand nuance.

Black Americans are most certainly affected by racial legacy of this country. I never said victims. It is also not an excuse for anything but it does offer some partial explanation of why black people are so dispirportionaitly poor, imprisoned, and born out of wedlock.

I also don't care who you hate, it's most likely for some inane, petty reason, much like a child

Here is a surprise for you Strike: all racists have a reason to be racist, and usually a pretty good one too. That does not make it any better. Every racist looks back on a history of abuses, and/or current trends or abuses to justify their racism. Every racist, black, white, Hispanic, etc. has a really good argument for their racism, and most believe them. Everyone though is flawed in some small way, but nonetheless very convincing and moving. It does not make one person's racism any better than another's.
Discrimination is why so many are born out of wedlock? Come off it. That is an individual choice based on individual beliefs. No one is forcing anyone to not marry. Stop with the victimization. Yes, there are people who experience real racial discrimination (people of all races, including white people), but saying things like that is just so cheap that it makes you lose all credibility.
And for someone who is accusing me of being illiterate, you spelling is pretty atrocious. What was it you majored in again? Sweat?

[Lemur]

Do I believe that leftists are wrong? Yeah, of course I do. I never denied that. Do I believe that they are hypocrites? Of course. I don't remember denying that.

Not suggesting any of that. But when you assert that your group is victimized and the other guys get a free pass and the system is rigged: Who do you sound like?

[Vuk]

Not suggesting any of that. But when you assert that your group is victimized and the other guys get a free pass and the system is rigged: Who do you sound like?

Oh! Let me guess! Hitler? Stalin? Obama Pol Pot?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Oh! Let me guess! Hitler? Stalin? Obama Pol Pot?

Your mind is like a baby's diaper. It needs to be thrown out when it gets full.

[Strike For The South]

Here is a surprise for you Strike: all racists have a reason to be racist, and usually a pretty good one too.

This is patently false. My grandmother belivied blacks carried African dieases and that I shouldn't share food with them. People have their prejeduces and work backwards to try and justify them

That does not make it any better. Every racist looks back on a history of abuses, and/or current trends or abuses to justify their racism. Every racist, black, white, Hispanic, etc. has a really good argument for their racism, and most believe them. Everyone though is flawed in some small way, but nonetheless very convincing and moving. It does not make one person's racism any better than another's.

Are you talking about historically? Well, yes every group that people identify with blood or citizenship has been given the shaft at some point. Black Americans were given the shaft very hard for a very long time and are still working within that same social structure today. As are white people, even the bloated definition we used today (it went to hell when we started letting the Italians in) are benefactors of that system

Discrimination is why so many are born out of wedlock? Come off it. That is an individual choice based on individual beliefs. No one is forcing anyone to not marry. Stop with the victimization. Yes, there are people who experience real racial discrimination (people of all races, including white people), but saying things like that is just so cheap that it makes you lose all credibility.

I never said discrimination, you assume things becuase you can't come off you're talking points. Which were not doubt concivied in some marathon long stare down with your computer screen. A truly Herculean task for you, I'm sure.

And for someone who is accusing me of being illiterate, you spelling is pretty atrocious. What was it you majored in again? Sweat?

[Vuk]

This is patently false. My grandmother belivied blacks carried African dieases and that I shouldn't share food with them. People have their prejeduces and work backwards to try and justify them

But where did she get her prejudices from? From a people who saw a culture in Africa where things went on that they believed were atrocious. When looking to why this was, the most obvious answer for them was race. What separated them from Africans that was the most apparent to them was their skins colour. They associated that culture with the race. Modern beliefs that white racists have about blacks usually descended from these original beliefs. Mix that with the fact that AIDs is such a problem in Africa and American black communities, and that blacks are much more likely than whites to be involved in crime, and the arguments for racism become a lot more understandable. That does not mean that they are correct, but it also does not mean that a person is necessarily stupid or evil for believing it. Black racists have the current disparity in wealth and position between whites and blacks, as well as a history of slavery to base their racism on. Again, a convincing argument to breed resentment. Doesn't mean it is right though. Chinese have a history of being exploited as 'Coolies', discrimination by blacks, whites, and Hispanics, and current stereotypes against them to encourage racism. Everyone can make a good case for it, but it does not mean that it is any more right.

Are you talking about historically? Well, yes every group that people identify with blood or citizenship has been given the shaft at some point. Black Americans were given the shaft very hard for a very long time and are still working within that same social structure today. As are white people, even the bloated definition we used today (it went to hell when we started letting the Italians in) are benefactors of that system
You are making it way too black and white. Our society and political system in many parts of America actually discriminate against white people. In other parts, black people. In other parts, society holds stereotypes and expectations that hurt both in different ways. It is a lot more complex than 'helps one, hurts the other.

I never said discrimination, you assume things becuase you can't come off you're talking points. Which were not doubt concivied in some marathon long stare down with your computer screen. A truly Herculean task for you, I'm sure.

I didn't understand the last part, so I will not even attempt to answer it. Please try next time to use proper spelling and grammar, or at least something that is remotely understandable. I don't care if you think like a hick, but you don't have to spell like one.

[Strike For The South]

My Grandmother didn't have to think about where her beliefs came from, it was the zeitgeist. Blacks are more likely to have Aids because of poor sex practices and a higher rate of population in major urban centers. Blacks "commit" more crimes becuase more police patrol there neighborhoods and the sentences they get are much harsher than their white counterparts. Lies, Damned lies, And statistics.

You are constantly moving the goalposts. You are going back and forth. Racism is wrong but that's not really what I'm talking about anymore.


The entirety of the American social and political structure is skewed towards white privellge. The most ambitious program of AA could not overcome the social cues we are given from we are very young. It is very subtle but it's there. I also don't think there is much we can do about it.

I haven't spelled right on this forum my entire time here, I'm certainly not going to start for you

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is why I think racism, as a sin, is overrated.

Thumbs up for guts.

I think sexism outstrips all the rest--because most people end up in a relationship, and because people care enough about being found attractive to adapt themselves to sexist beliefs to some extent.

Political tribalism--eh, it's very appropriate for people to attack each other over political views. The objection to the title is that it's just a cheap shot.

[Strike For The South]

Racism and sexism are indicative of a lack of ability to empathize.

This does not mean that all causes taken up in trying to rectify those things are just but I do find it odd that simply becuase something is biologically ingrained in us we should be given (somewhat) a pass.

[Vuk]

Thumbs up for guts.

I think sexism outstrips all the rest--because most people end up in a relationship, and because people care enough about being found attractive to adapt themselves to sexist beliefs to some extent.

Political tribalism--eh, it's very appropriate for people to attack each other over political views. The objection to the title is that it's just a cheap shot.

Sexism goes both ways, and usually the people who cry the most about sexism also try to play both sides and get the benefits of traditional beliefs. I am not saying that sexism does not exist, but the way it is classified and tackled nowadays is sexist in its own right, and often does as much harm as good.

Racism and sexism are indicative of a lack of ability to empathize.

This does not mean that all causes taken up in trying to rectify those things are just but I do find it odd that simply becuase something is biologically ingrained in us we should be given (somewhat) a pass.

It (racism) has nothing to do with lacking the ability to empathize. It has to do with mistakingly believing that behavioral traits are related to skin colour.

[The Stranger]

since when is apple pie american? :O

[Sasaki Kojiro]

since when is apple pie american? :O

We invented apples. And pie.