ORG, TWC, and the Official Forum - what would the ORG specialize in?

[a completely inoffensive name]

How dare you? I'm talking what the Org is and what it needs to do in order to improve. Seems you Org Members can't even read my posts carefully! Disgraceful, I say, disgraceful. CAN YOU NOT READ WHAT I WROTE?? CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? And, no, I was not angry in my post! And don't you tell me to calm down, It's perfectly safe to read my post!

I am having monastery flashbacks.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How dare you? I'm talking what the Org is and what it needs to do in order to improve. Seems you Org Members can't even read my posts carefully! Disgraceful, I say, disgraceful. CAN YOU NOT READ WHAT I WROTE?? CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? And, no, I was not angry in my post! And don't you tell me to calm down, It's perfectly safe to read my post!

This issue is deeper than you think. You see, we have two websites, the org and the twc, and I can technically read both, but how am I supposed to find the time to read both? I suppose I could go through all the posts, but this would be a meaningless waste of time, when someone could just say "this website is better". So that would be the nice thing to do, because it would be you helping me, saving me a lot of time, by sacrificing only a little bit of your own time. So it would be nice, once it is released for someone to give me a ranking of the totalwar websites. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Perhaps am I wrong, and I hope I am.

Of course, you might think that sacrificing that bit of time is meaningless to you because you don't know me, which is of course is a discourse suggesting you can decide who deserves respect (ie who you would spend a bit of time telling information to save them time) and who doesn't deserve respect. In this case you are deciding I don't deserve respect

This is called elitism. It has been done for centuries, and in hindsight, it is always wrong. It is wrong to enslave people, it is wrong to oppress women, it is wrong to not help the poor, is it wrong to make people "serfs", it is wrong to discriminate based on race, on age, whatever.

And we are still fighting it today. People come around like Thomas Jefferson, Adolf Hitler, and many others, and say "I know who deserves respect, and who doesn't". For 6,000 years elitism has never been right.

The opposite of elitism, and the only other discourse is liberalism (the label liberalism and elitism don't mean anything, I just use them because I think they fit best, you can use whatever label). Liberals believe in two principles, #1 that we should expand the rights of those recognized as people, and #2 that we should expand who is a recognized person.

Liberalism simply says one thing, respect and love everyone equally. If you believe that you should respect and love everyone equally, that no one, no matter they believe, deserves to be disrespected, and treated poorly, than you are a liberal, and you are a Christian by definition. I shouldn't get too deep into the Christian piece, because so many pervert what Jesus did, but it makes it eaiser to illustrate how you are not supposed to judge. Christians (those who are a Christian based on deeds, not labels) don't judge, just like liberals don't judge. Christians confess their sins, and try to do the right thing. Liberals admit when they make a mistake, apologize, and try to do the right thing Liberals and Christians are one in the same.

So, we can conclude only one thing, I have to question whether you and the other twcers as a whole are Christians/Liberals, since they are one in the same. Because what you say, what the twc people are as a whole, what happens in many threads and discussions between non-members and member is elitism. Look at this thread, as one example, but there is many more on the the forum right now.


You see, we have these statements against me, of which elitists will claim are jokes. But you don't take serious arguements as jokes, unless you don't respect them. Obviously my arguement wasn't respected, which is fine if you don't believe everyone deserves respect in every scenario, and if you believe you can pick and choose who deserves respect, which is the definition of an elitist.

So let us find out if this arguement gets respect. Will it be deleted because think they can judge? Will acin make jokes about it? Will people start hating each other? I feel it now "oh some stupid religious guy is trying to tell us how to act..."

I'm not allowed to judge you, or be the judge, because liberals and Christians respect everyone. But at the same time, I have an obligation, as a Christian and a liberal, to question you actions, so, are you a liberal, or are you an elitist? Now this does not mean I think I'm perfect, and only I can judge, I'm simply stating no one can judge, lets all be nice all the time to everyone. Now God knows I don't do this, but I try, and I admit when I haven't done this, which is all Jesus asks.

So do you think you can judge, are you God? Because what I'm going to find out soon enough, is if I deserve respect, which is a reflection of whether or not you are an elitist. So, will I get the list, or will I be denied because of who I am?

[TinCow]

The only unformulated problem is that is this an Amercian website, I don't mean to be offensive here, And here they talk a lot about the points of view from Amercians only. Any different view is simply not accepted.

That's a rather odd statement, considering that over the last 8+ years the head admins of the site have all been Europeans.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Woah dude

What?

[Visor]

I actually moved from TWC to the Org.

I like it here, it may not be as active, but the people are nicer and the debates are nice to watch, as well as the TR and GR.

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

This issue is deeper than you think. You see, we have two websites, the org and the twc, and I can technically read both, but how am I supposed to find the time to read both? I suppose I could go through all the posts, but this would be a meaningless waste of time, when someone could just say "this website is better". So that would be the nice thing to do, because it would be you helping me, saving me a lot of time, by sacrificing only a little bit of your own time. So it would be nice, once it is released for someone to give me a ranking of the totalwar websites. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Perhaps am I wrong, and I hope I am.

Of course, you might think that sacrificing that bit of time is meaningless to you because you don't know me, which is of course is a discourse suggesting you can decide who deserves respect (ie who you would spend a bit of time telling information to save them time) and who doesn't deserve respect. In this case you are deciding I don't deserve respect

This is called elitism. It has been done for centuries, and in hindsight, it is always wrong. It is wrong to enslave people, it is wrong to oppress women, it is wrong to not help the poor, is it wrong to make people "serfs", it is wrong to discriminate based on race, on age, whatever.

And we are still fighting it today. People come around like Thomas Jefferson, Adolf Hitler, and many others, and say "I know who deserves respect, and who doesn't". For 6,000 years elitism has never been right.

The opposite of elitism, and the only other discourse is liberalism (the label liberalism and elitism don't mean anything, I just use them because I think they fit best, you can use whatever label). Liberals believe in two principles, #1 that we should expand the rights of those recognized as people, and #2 that we should expand who is a recognized person.

Liberalism simply says one thing, respect and love everyone equally. If you believe that you should respect and love everyone equally, that no one, no matter they believe, deserves to be disrespected, and treated poorly, than you are a liberal, and you are a Christian by definition. I shouldn't get too deep into the Christian piece, because so many pervert what Jesus did, but it makes it eaiser to illustrate how you are not supposed to judge. Christians (those who are a Christian based on deeds, not labels) don't judge, just like liberals don't judge. Christians confess their sins, and try to do the right thing. Liberals admit when they make a mistake, apologize, and try to do the right thing Liberals and Christians are one in the same.

So, we can conclude only one thing, I have to question whether you and the other twcers as a whole are Christians/Liberals, since they are one in the same. Because what you say, what the twc people are as a whole, what happens in many threads and discussions between non-members and member is elitism. Look at this thread, as one example, but there is many more on the the forum right now.


You see, we have these statements against me, of which elitists will claim are jokes. But you don't take serious arguements as jokes, unless you don't respect them. Obviously my arguement wasn't respected, which is fine if you don't believe everyone deserves respect in every scenario, and if you believe you can pick and choose who deserves respect, which is the definition of an elitist.

So let us find out if this arguement gets respect. Will it be deleted because think they can judge? Will acin make jokes about it? Will people start hating each other? I feel it now "oh some stupid religious guy is trying to tell us how to act..."

I'm not allowed to judge you, or be the judge, because liberals and Christians respect everyone. But at the same time, I have an obligation, as a Christian and a liberal, to question you actions, so, are you a liberal, or are you an elitist? Now this does not mean I think I'm perfect, and only I can judge, I'm simply stating no one can judge, lets all be nice all the time to everyone. Now God knows I don't do this, but I try, and I admit when I haven't done this, which is all Jesus asks.

So do you think you can judge, are you God? Because what I'm going to find out soon enough, is if I deserve respect, which is a reflection of whether or not you are an elitist. So, will I get the list, or will I be denied because of who I am?

erm... are you giving a lecture on me about God???????? I don't even know who you are! What is this crap about elitism and all that stuff? You Org people can't even read a post properly! Outrageous I say, Outrageous!

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

That's a rather odd statement, considering that over the last 8+ years the head admins of the site have all been Europeans.

Consider the Monastery. Many Amercians have made sure that only the Europeans agree with them. They may have been Europeans, but they follow in the interests of the Amercians on this Org.

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

I am having monastery flashbacks.

Because you never accepted anything of my opinion. So do have one.

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

I actually moved from TWC to the Org.

I like it here, it may not be as active, but the people are nicer and the debates are nice to watch, as well as the TR and GR.

The People here aren't nice!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

erm... are you giving a lecture on me about God???????? I don't even know who you are! What is this crap about elitism and all that stuff? You Org people can't even read a post properly! Outrageous I say, Outrageous!

So you are elitist. Let me guess, you're American? Typical

[caravel]

The people here are very nice in fact... they're giving you the benefit of the doubt and responding to your posts intelligently without flaming... if you'd tried this at the TWC, what do you think would have happened exactly...?

I on the other hand am not nice at all and tend not to beat about the bush, I like to call a spade a spade and in this case I think it's obvious from your posts what we're dealing with here...

[Sigurd]

@ Saski

@ caravel.

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

The people here are very nice in fact... they're giving you the benefit of the doubt and responding to your posts intelligently without flaming... if you'd tried this at the TWC, what do you think would have happened exactly...?

I on the other hand am not nice at all and tend not to beat about the bush, I like to call a spade a spade and in this case I think it's obvious from your posts what we're dealing with here...

You know Caravel, They're not responding, they're diverting it. And you think that image will insult me? Hah! I am a Marshall, not some washed up fool like this one. Let me show you what you're dealing with.

[TinCow]

The People here aren't nice! They're racists full of hatred towards Japanese people! They're all Amercians...

So, you think your attitude in this thread has been "nice"?

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

So, you think your attitude in this thread has been "nice"?

Then what about Cavarel? Or this Saigo thinking me as an American and some ''elitist'' crap. You Mods are utterly useless. Utterly useless. All I said was my opinion. And yet people provoked me and diverted it. It seems everytime I want to say some opinion, it's rejected! Well thank you Crap world!

[Peasant Phill]

I'm sorry if I derail this thread but is that a picture from David the gnome?

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

So you are elitist. Let me guess, you're American? Typical

I'm not American. I'm proud to be French!

[Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout]

The people here are very nice in fact... they're giving you the benefit of the doubt and responding to your posts intelligently without flaming

Look. Did they talk about the Amercianzed version? Did they talk about the meantion of NTW? No, they all talked what they wanted and instead tried to divert me and get me kicked. Where the heck is my opinion highly intelligantly debated as you put it? They're not responding. You see, If I provide a opinion. ALL Org Members have a code: To prevent Marshall from saying anything as he is a troll and therefore must be bullied. He whines and moans like a pathetic baby, I swear as a Org Memeber,to prevent this.

[caravel]

Let me show you what you're dealing with.

You can't embed URLs in IMG tags like that.

//edit: fixed - well done, but can't get the full size images to load.

[Askthepizzaguy]

erm... are you giving a lecture on me about God???????? I don't even know who you are!

Can you not even read his post properly? He's Sasaki Kojiro. It even says so right above that jolly looking fellow who tells you which rule to remember.

What is this crap about elitism and all that stuff?

A deep, and profound question. What is?

To be, to come into being, to become....

What is crap, but the excrement of horses and pigs and donkeys and even people, but not necessarily in that order, and no preference given, unless you are a farmer?

When did it become? Through what process did the crap strain and squeeze into being? And was it necessarily made, as some religious people suggest, or did it come into being through a process of self-actualization?

As a non-elite myself, I struggle to comprehend the process of being and becoming. Being and becoming. It is beyond me. That is the primary reason why I cannot go to Total War Center, where I moderate a section. It's too foreign to me, and as an American, I have issues with foreigner. yet strangely, am also quite Hot Blooded.

This entire debate is actually (or self-actually) giving me a fever of approximately one hundred and three degrees.

On an unrelated note, I want to discuss what you're doing after this thread. Just between you and me.

You Org people can't even read a post properly! Outrageous I say, Outrageous!

No, good sir, I am afraid I cannot. Particularly because I am a non-Elite.

I propose that you and I form a club dedicated to the exclusion and oppression of the Elites, regardless of whether or not it might actually be a pretty cool name for a band. If they have any records, I propose we burn them. (Do records burn, or are they more melty? If they are the latter, we might melt them as one would a grilled cheese sandwizard. [I don't like witches, they frighten me, even though the so-called popular culture has tried to make them more likeable, what with Sabrina the teenaged one being irresistibly tempting. How dare you, Melissa Joan Hart, I liked you better when you explained it all.] This is a rather long parenthetical statement, so I must truncate it)

Where was I? Yes, I was discussing the burning of elitist records. But I will require your assistance in reading said records before we burn them, por Favre.

Can you help me, and the rest of You Org people?

(Also, is You Org kind of like Sea Org? And is that sort of like Sea World? [so we don't bush and musithians!?!?!])

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you are elitist. Let me guess, you're American? Typical

I STRONGLY OBJECT TO YOU CALLING AMERICANS TYPICAL wait wait why is everything in all caps?

I sincerely apologize. I don't know why I did that, it makes it seem like I was shouting for absurd reasons. Don't I feel the fool.

DON'T I? ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Wait, why am I ordering you around like I'm the boss?

My goodness, I'm so ashamed. If I were capable of shame.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not American. I'm proud to be French!

Ok, I'll bite.

"What are you doing in England?"

None of my business, right. Saw that one coming.





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[rajpoot]

Can't we all just get along....the negative vibes are very distressing.

I always like to think about the Org as a place similar to the Diogenes Club. Save for the fact that talking in the Frontroom isn't prohibited.
(Edit: Just for the record I like it this way. Who wants to be in a noisy crowded place where it's hard to remember the other patrons. Much more personal here)

The People here aren't nice! They're racists full of hatred towards Japanese people! They're all Amercians...

If there is one thing I can say with conviction, it is that people here aren't racist. There might perhaps be some amount of natural hesitation when someone realises that someone else is from some place far away, but no racism.

[Andres]

Please, post on topic again.

[Maltz]

I'd like to hear input from as many members as possible; new members, senior members, regular members, oldtimers, people who just signed up 5 minutes ago; everybody. Be open. Share your thoughts and no idea is too crazy.

It is true that for a movie conest, there is a high requirement of camera/editing/music skills. Screenshot and story contests are easy in comparison. The current screenshot thread in the Shogun 2 forum has collected so many great pictures - maybe we can just pick a few dozens and let people vote on them! Then we can make a slide show of the winners completed with music and the contributor's ID.

While the number of participants may be limited, we should still attract a good number of spectators. If we provide links of enough submissions, we are gauranteed to have visitors. The snowball will rolll and the next contest will attract more participants.

Promotion can be done on member's level, so it does not become the ORG's aggressive advertisement strategy. We can ask members to spread the news if they happen to patronize another total war forum. I actually have done that for the current creative video contest.

[Andres]

It is true that for a movie conest, there is a high requirement of camera/editing/music skills. Screenshot and story contests are easy in comparison. The current screenshot thread in the Shogun 2 forum has collected so many great pictures - maybe we can just pick a few dozens and let people vote on them! Then we can make a slide show of the winners completed with music and the contributor's ID.

Excellent idea

While the number of participants may be limited, we should still attract a good number of spectators. If we provide links of enough submissions, we are gauranteed to have visitors. The snowball will rolll and the next contest will attract more participants.

Promotion can be done on member's level, so it does not become the ORG's aggressive advertisement strategy. We can ask members to spread the news if they happen to patronize another total war forum. I actually have done that for the current creative video contest.

And thanks for trying to get this thread on the right track again

[Vladimir]

I am having monastery flashbacks.

I know, right.

I missed all the good stuff.

[Beskar]

Times have changed however and the .org probably does need to bow to pressure and consider allowing custom avatars in the near future (custom signatures seem to be allowed - I personally don't see the difference).

@caravel, not sure if this has been pointed out yet, not fully read thread, so I will say this now so I don't forget.

There is a custom avatar option, but it is an "opt in" system, which you access in your settings area. I personally don't use it, as I prefer my theme, but the option is there for users to simply do that, and when I enabled it to test it out, it seemed many of the regulars were using it themselves.

Just wanted to let you know incase you wasn't aware of it, so you are able to enjoy your custom avatars, I even have one up myself (even if I don't use it).

[caravel]

Tiaexz, I know of the custom avatars, but they're only visible to registered members who are logged in and have them enabled in their profile settings. If I'm honest I have mixed views on the custom avatars. I don't think for one moment that custom avatars=more members. In the long term though if allowing custom avatars makes the .org a bit more welcoming and a bit less "institutionalised" (for lack of a better word) in it's appearance to the public, then that's got to be a good thing.

I think the "horror" of custom avatars is that, with the portraits the .org appears uniform and neat. The worry is that with the regulation removed, there will be all kinds of monstrosities on display - in fact that's probably inevitable, but I think it's worth it if it gives members more freedom of expression and individuality and gives that impression to potential members.

The .org could do the opposite to what it's doing at the moment - give members the ability to "opt out" of the custom avatars, but display them (not the portaits) to guests by default. So to logged in members, the "classic .org" is still there untouched (I would probably use this mode).

That's all I can really say on the avatar thing (I've probably said it all before).

[Maltz]

Ah I see. There is a way around to show custom pictures.

(1) Upload a custom "Profile Picture".
(2) Go to settings and click off "show avatar" and click "on" for show profile picture.

The user will be able to see their custom profile picture (and everyone else's custom profile picture) instead of the avatars. But I guess for other users they will still see the more standardized avatars.

It would be nice if we combine the two into one (Profile picture = Avatar). People can choose to upload their own profile picture, or pick one from the existing choices that they like.