“everything above can be placed and is disused here” T.R,. it is amazing this need to try to control a debate. When you start a debate, as we (at least I am not) sheep we don’t follow. If you go in other debates, you will be astonished about how things can turn.

“I was talking about the force with which they believe in their own beliefs” I had a problem with your choice of words. Atheism is not a belief. It is a state of mind. It is not a rejection as such you can reject let says Buddhism or Communism or Religions. These things exist. I can reject an argument. I can reject the belief in the Bible as the book exists. God doesn’t. Nor I reject Unicorns or Tak.
So, when you use the word “belief” to qualify atheism, I have to go for it. Atheism is not a belief. It might be than some atheists are defending their convictions and arguments with conviction and what can be seen as dogmatism, but the fact is there is no dogma in atheism, as there are no prophets, no books, no rules and no rewards for it. I am not atheist because somebody taught me atheism; I am atheism because nobody taught me there is/are god(s). There is nothing. I never had to go in a Church or equivalent, I think I heard the first time of the concept, I was around 8. This is to say that the idea of god(s) is not natural, but cultural. When you are 8, you are not concerned by the afterlife. I was rise in a farm were death is something I could see each time my grandparents were killing chickens, rabbits, ducks and pigs. No questions about what happen after, as I knew it. It was how life goes. You born, you live, you die, and you are food somebody or something.

“that last part is not aimed at me I take it?” I do not aim at people. I like to debate, and I was just contesting your wording.