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    Default Re: ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "why did they have police protection?" From the time they were bomb-fired by Catholic Extremists for an offensive picture of the Pope.
    Thanks, so basically they already knew that a lot of people don't like what they do. And they chose to do it anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "but it was a consequence of their decisions to keep spreading the cartoons they wanted to spread despite obvious threads." Nope, Even the murderers said it was to avenge the Prophet, not to shut-up them. So, even if they had decided to shut-up, they would have been killed.
    So they were completely unaware that some muslims do not like Mohammed cartoons when they made their first one?
    Now you just make them sound incredibly naive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    So, if I understand well, freedom is not in the frame of the law, but in the frame of a target decided by murderers. It they kill you, it is your fault, you shouldn't have offended them.

    Funny, it is all what the wife's abusers say in court: Your Honour, if she would do all what I want even without me saying, I wouldn't have hit her.
    You don't understand well because I said none of that.
    What I said is that sometimes your actions have consequences in reality, that does not mean anyone is excused or anyone is blamed, it's just reality. They are dead in reality even though they shouldn't be. We could also ban ISIS tomorrow but that alone wouldn't make them disappear tomorrow, or would it? I think that is what Gilrandir's point boils down to as I have trouble seeing him as someone who thinks that it is morally right to avenge the prophet with blood and silence others to defend him, but he can correct me if I'm wrong.
    Last edited by Husar; 09-13-2015 at 20:32.


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